AW: Downloading mystery

[Thomas Fischer]

Hi Bruce,

> Again, if you substitute "revgourl theURL" in the appropriate place, 
> you will have the patent showing up in your browser in no time 
> (figuratively speaking, of course). Any hints for this problem would 
> be appreciated!

this might be unrelated to Revolution. I had problems downloading pages using 
Perl, and finally gave the task over to lynx, the linux text browser.

The reason was that browsers are much better equipped to handle the 
communication between requests and delivery, primarily redirects and cookies. 
You might want to inspect the exchange between your browser on the one hand and 
Revolution on the other with the given site, probably you can see where the 
communication breaks down.
If you are using a Mac, you might try the download using AppleScript, that 
might work slightly differently.

All the best
Thomas

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Re: [ANN] F-ab is now available for downloading

[Jiro Harada]

Herrn Klaus,


Could you please tell us a bit more about how you did this?
I am sure most of the listmembers would love to know a bit about the
technical background.

And most of us are VERY interested in displaying Flash content inside
Rev without altBrowser and/or Quicktime! ;-)


The Flash Player.plugin, which is located in /Library/Internet Plug- 
Ins/, is directly loaded in the external. WebKit is not used in F-ab.  
Flash movies are displayed in the custom control. Other main  
functions of F-ab are written in Java including HTTP connection and  
DB connection. F-ab is using Derby(http://db.apache.org/derby/) as  
the internal database.




We have a plan to port this product to Windows.


Maybe this can be done by using the wonderful "altBrowser" plugin  
from Altuit?

 http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/altBrowserCover/default.htm


Thanks for your information. altBrowser is great!

Best regards,
Jiro Harada


On 2005/11/18, at 1:28, Klaus Major wrote:


Konichi-wa Jiro-san,


Hello,

"F-ab" is now available for downloading.
F-ab is a browser for Flash movies. Flash movies are switched by
changing the channel like TV programs in it. You can see 1 Flash
movies by changing the channel from "" to "".

F-ab was created by Revolution and Java.
This product is a freeware (not a open-source product).

Download:
http://www.f-ab.net/

System requirements:
OS: Mac OS X 10.4 or later
Memory: 512 MB of RAM or more
Display: 1024 x 768 or lager


Yoku dekimashita! :-)

Could you please tell us a bit more about how you did this?
I am sure most of the listmembers would love to know a bit about the
technical background.

And most of us are VERY interested in displaying Flash content inside
Rev without altBrowser and/or Quicktime! ;-)


We have a plan to port this product to Windows.


Maybe this can be done by using the wonderful "altBrowser" plugin  
from Altuit?

 http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/altBrowserCover/default.htm

I may be a bit too naive, but at the first glance... ;-)


Currently few Flash
movies has registered in F-ab. Please register your Flash movies  
to F-

ab, if you use them in your web pages. Registration is free.

Best regards,

Jiro Harada
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Ronri Kobo, Inc.
806, 6-24-2, Nishi-Gotanda, Shinagawa-ku
Tokyo, 141-0031 Japan
IP Phone/Fax. +81 50 3346 0007
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.ronri-kobo.com/


Regards

Klaus Major
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.major-k.de
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Re: cascade & tile windows

[xavier . bury]

> Yep, you're right, but it does have some good window management routines 

> which could help someone move windows around.

i noticed that too ;)

I like the attach stack to stack idea ;)

I really like the snap to window too!

cheers
Xavier


> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Chipp
> > 
> > AltBuddyStack doesn't seem to cascade or tile stacks though
> 
> Yep, you're right, but it does have some good window management routines 

> which could help someone move windows around.



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Re: cascade & tile windows

[Chipp Walters]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Chipp

AltBuddyStack doesn't seem to cascade or tile stacks though


Yep, you're right, but it does have some good window management routines 
which could help someone move windows around.


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AW: HTML issue

[Thomas Fischer]

Hello,

I was thinking along similar lines as Alex:

> 
> Basically what you are doing is
>a set of "replace"s to hide html tags
>the real replace
>a set of "replace"s to restore the html tags.
> 

My procedure would be:

put numToChar(3) into sep
replace ">" with "<" & sep in tText
set the itemDelimiter to "<"
repeat for each item theItem in tText
  if char 1 of theItem is sep then
  -- do the actual replacement 
replace pFind with "" & pFind & "" in tText
  end if
end repeat
replace "<" & sep with ">" in tText
set the itemDelimiter to comma

I didn't test for speed though.

All the best
Thomas

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Re: cascade & tile windows

[xavier . bury]

Chipp

AltBuddyStack doesn't seem to cascade or tile stacks though

[After more problems copy pasting...]

  Here's how to cascade stacks (taken from the plugin WinNO2 from 
MonsieurX.com):

put 100 into rb -- start position
put 100 into rl -- start position
  put the windows into wlist
  repeat for each line thisstack in wlist
if not the visible of stack thisstack  or thisstack  is "message 
box" or "rev" is in char 1 to 3 of thisstack then next repeat
add 16 to rb
add 16 to rl
set the topleft of stack l to rl,rb
  end repeat
 
That should get you started... Im revising the tiling/rearanging (vertical 
and horizontal or best fit) because they
are no longuer working... Something to do for this weekend ;)

cheers
-=-
Xavier 


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 18/11/2005 07:25:37:

> You could check out altBuddyStack at:
> http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/RunRev/Downloads.htm
> 
> best,
> Chipp
> 
> Preston Shea wrote:
> > Has anyone got functions to cascade or tile the windows of substacks
> > opened from a mainstack? Thanks!



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dictionary gibberish

[Dick Kriesel]

Somehow the dictionary's behavior changed so that it showed gibberish for
every term I tried.  Here's an example for the term "put."


put [[sMergeData[type] ]]  ([[sMergeData[library] ]])
[[sMergeData[synonym] ]]
Platform support: [[sMergeData[platforms] ]]
Introduced in version [[sMergeData[introduced] ]]
[[sMergeData[summary] ]]

[[sMergeData[syntax] ]]
[[sMergeData[example] ]]

See also: [[sMergeData[seealso] ]]

Description[[sMergeData[description] ]]


When I restarted Rev, the normal behavior was back.

Could anyone advise how to avoid this in the future?

-- Dick


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OT: AJAX 30-second tutorial

[Chipp Walters]

I know, OT, but since we've been bandying about it for so long now I 
thought some of you might like to see this.


For those of you wondering what the heck it is:
http://rajshekhar.net/blog/archives/85-Rasmus-30-second-AJAX-Tutorial.html

-Chipp

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Re: Cmd-A doesn't work from Keyboard in Standalone

[Sivakatirswami]

Sarah, Thanks... though having done xTalk since '86, I'm not a "real"  
programmer...(open and Apple II booted it and ten minutes later write  
my first script in Hypercard)  so I don't always do things  
"properly".. whatever gets the job done (a beauty of Rev that it  
allows that much freedom!)


Sivakatirswami

On Nov 17, 2005, at 8:29 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:


  default
pass commandKeyDown
  end switch
end commandKeyDown

This makes it so that ANY command key shortcut that doesn't get caught
in your switch statement, will get passed up the message hierarchy for
your app or the Rev engine to process. It is generally a good idea to
"pass" all system messages if you don't use them.

Cheers,
Sarah


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Re: Cmd-A doesn't work from Keyboard in Standalone

[Sarah Reichelt]

On 11/18/05, Sivakatirswami <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> WEll you can't block it in the IDE very easily.. but I found that if
> I had  just this:
>
> on commandKeyDown theKey
>switch theKey
>case "a"
>  if the selectedField is not empty then
>select text of the selectedField
>  end if
>  break
>end switch
> end commandKeyDown
>
> then cmd-x,c,v (copy, cut, paste) were all blocked... so I suspect if
> you have a commandKeyDown theKey  handler, and no "a" case, then it
> might get blocked, at least in a standalone. but then you have to
> code them all, which I did finally.
>

A better solution is to "pass" the message if you don't use it. I
would write your handler like this:

on commandKeyDown theKey
  switch theKey
  case "a"
if the selectedField is not empty then
  select text of the selectedField
end if
break
  default
pass commandKeyDown
  end switch
end commandKeyDown

This makes it so that ANY command key shortcut that doesn't get caught
in your switch statement, will get passed up the message hierarchy for
your app or the Rev engine to process. It is generally a good idea to
"pass" all system messages if you don't use them.

Cheers,
Sarah
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Re: cascade & tile windows

[Chipp Walters]

You could check out altBuddyStack at:
http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/RunRev/Downloads.htm

best,
Chipp

Preston Shea wrote:

Has anyone got functions to cascade or tile the windows of substacks
opened from a mainstack? Thanks!


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Re: Cmd-A doesn't work from Keyboard in Standalone

[Sivakatirswami]

WEll you can't block it in the IDE very easily.. but I found that if  
I had  just this:


on commandKeyDown theKey
  switch theKey
  case "a"
if the selectedField is not empty then
  select text of the selectedField
end if
break
  end switch
end commandKeyDown

then cmd-x,c,v (copy, cut, paste) were all blocked... so I suspect if  
you have a commandKeyDown theKey  handler, and no "a" case, then it  
might get blocked, at least in a standalone. but then you have to  
code them all, which I did finally.



on commandKeyDown theKey
  switch theKey
  case "a"
if the selectedField is not empty then
  select text of the selectedField
end if
break
  Case "x"
if the selection is empty then exit to top
 cut
break
  case "c"
  if the selection is empty then exit to top
  copy
break
  case "v"
paste
break
  end switch
end commandKeyDown

Sivakatirswami




On Nov 16, 2005, at 4:29 PM, Charles Hartman wrote:

I'm curious about this too, because I have found that *blocking*  
cmd-A (= select all) in a field is very hard, meaning I haven't  
found a way to do it. (So I had the opposite problem from the o.p.)  
Oddly enough, cmd-C (= copy) seems also to work by itself, but I  
found I had to write code to implement cmd-V (= paste). Puzzling.


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Re: Cmd-A doesn't work from Keyboard in Standalone

[Sivakatirswami]

Sarah: I send it up to support and Jacqueline writes... wonder of  
wonders -- something I haven't known for  years:


=

Aloha, Jacqueline:

Outstanding! thank you... solutions... "Without either a real menu bar "

FYI, this I don't think is explicitely documented (thus my  
consternation over failing cmd keys for several years now...)


All it says is:

"* Putting the / character anywhere in a line makes the next  
character the keyboard equivalent for the menu item. Neither the /  
nor the character following it appear in the menu, nor do they appear  
in the parameter to the menuPick message.


And the tool tips for the Rev Tools all say "Popup menu" "pulldown  
menu" all imply a menu, and other feature of menus as described in  
"Menus and the Menu Bar" topics section *do* work just fine whether  
the button in a group that  is hoisted to menu status or not (e.g.  
cascading behavior) You might consider adding this that topic section  
*and* to each of the  keyword definitions for  Popup, pulldown and  
option buttons.


Thanks you I can now fix this :-)!

Sivakatirswami


On Nov 17, 2005, at 6:21 AM, Runtime Revolution Support wrote:

Dear Sivakatirswami,

The problem would be that you haven't designated the buttons as an  
actual
menu, so the engine is ignoring the keyboard shortcuts. Those will  
only work
if you set up a real menubar and assign it as the stack's menu. If  
you do not
want your menubar to go into the Mac's main menu area, then you can  
set the

editmenus to true on openstack so that the stack does not scroll

Alternately, if you want to keep your layout the way it is now  
without a real
menu bar, write a commandKeyDown handler to manage command-key  
presses.
Without either a real menu bar or a commandkey handler, Rev has no  
way of

knowing what to do with those keyboard shortcuts so it ignores them.

Jacqueline




On Nov 16, 2005, at 7:38 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:


On 11/17/05, Sivakatirswami <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I wish... (I found a blocking handler) but no... there is nothing in
the stack to block the key down msg. I'm also getting this in a
nother button with "Save/S"

Case "Save"
   save this stack
break


which appears fine in the menu, works fine from the menu, but doing
cmd-S from the keyboard does nothing... which, is scary because users
are thinking the app is being saved, but it's not...

I could send the stack for testing if that would help, would that be
OK? (who would like to test it for me?)




I'll give it a go, if you like to send it along.

Sarah
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RE: Signatures and quoting

[MisterX]

> Le 17 nov. 05 à 18:13, Richard Gaskin a écrit :
> 
> > MisterX wrote:
> >> or your email client strips the sigs (TAOO CAN DO THIS :)
> >
> > So TAOO can also do that when emails are sent?
> 
> Not very kind but LOL
> As for me, unfortunately I don't have TAOO :-(

To answer Richard's question, sure, TAOO has pre and post processing for
user "data" objects (and more)... And since the late 80's! 

Came in very handy when HyperCard archived some thousands of emails/files
from Eudora/BBEdit/NetScape to HC stripping out the sigs, the lame content,
ads, etc... 

Helped also for pre-formating of data, posting data, sending or writing data
in or out of TAOO... I didn't just archive emails in TAOO, but code,
readmes, references, etc...

It helps reduce repetitive editing, stack/DB size a little and make the
reading (or IO) lots easier... It shouldn't be hard to adapt to spam
filtering or any other application that reads/writes/stores information for
that matter... 

cheers
Xavier
http://monsieurx.com/taoo

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Re: Detecting Unicode text

[Sarah Reichelt]

On 11/18/05, Trevor DeVore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Nov 17, 2005, at 5:37 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:
> > If I UniDecode the text, it comes good except for a weird character at
> > the start which I can handle, but is there a neat way to detect the
> > encoding of text before I start? I suppose I can just look for the
> > word "Subject" and if it isn't there, uniDecode and try again, but it
> > seems there should be a way to detect the encoding of the text itself.
> >
> > Does the weird stuff at the start give me any clues? Checking the
> > ASCII codes, the text starts with ASCII 254, ASCII 255, space and then
> > the first character of my text. Perhaps that's my answer, but will
> > they always be 254 & 255 or does that vary with the encoding?
> >
> > Any ideas?
>
> Hi Sarah,
>
> The "weird stuff" at the beginning is the BOM.  This tells
> applications opening the file what kind of UTF file you are dealing
> with.  Now, I'm not sure how to decipher each BOM but perhaps Google
> will know the answer.
>

Thanks Trevor, that told me what to look for and provided the answer.
Here is a quote from 
book chapter 15.

"In the UTF-16 encoding scheme, U+FEFF at the very beginning of a file
or stream explicitly
signals the byte order.
The byte sequence  may serve as a signature to identify a
file as containing Uni-
code text. This sequence is exceedingly rare at the outset of text
files using other character
encodings, whether single- or multiple-byte, and therefore not likely
to be confused with
real text data."

So I think I can be quite safe if I look for charToNum(254) &
charToNum(255) at the start of a file and UniDecode the text if they
are found.

ATB,
Sarah
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RE: mTropolis Refugees

[John Tregea]

Hi Jesse,

I am heading back to Singapore in a few weeks (I lived there for ten years).
We are evaluating Revolution (and mySQL) at the moment to see if we should
transition our maritime security products to this pair instead of WebObjects
and OpenBase. 

Are you still involved in the programming side? I would be glad to hear your
experiences if you wouldn't mind meeting up and having a coffee sometime.

Regards

John T.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jesse Sng
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 9:30 PM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: RE: mTropolis Refugees

>I used mTropolis 2.0 for an interactive CD/ROM that was used to promote
>Singapore. We had QTVR's of Raffles hotel and other famous landmarks,
>quicktime video, stills, maps and most innovatively at that time live links
>to the updatable information on the web for hotel bookings and theme park
>availability etc. Oh, those were the days.
>
>What a fantastic product it was, and I still say "Damn Adobe and Quark" for
>killing it between them...
>
>Cheers
>
>John T

Hi John,

Interesting. I'm also in Singapore and we were looking at using the 
brand new (then) mTropolis 2.0. Anyway we got burnt by that and it 
took me many years before I got rid of the mTropolis box that was 
sitting on my shelf.


Jesse Sng
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Re: Detecting Unicode text

[Trevor DeVore]

On Nov 17, 2005, at 5:37 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

If I UniDecode the text, it comes good except for a weird character at
the start which I can handle, but is there a neat way to detect the
encoding of text before I start? I suppose I can just look for the
word "Subject" and if it isn't there, uniDecode and try again, but it
seems there should be a way to detect the encoding of the text itself.

Does the weird stuff at the start give me any clues? Checking the
ASCII codes, the text starts with ASCII 254, ASCII 255, space and then
the first character of my text. Perhaps that's my answer, but will
they always be 254 & 255 or does that vary with the encoding?

Any ideas?


Hi Sarah,

The "weird stuff" at the beginning is the BOM.  This tells  
applications opening the file what kind of UTF file you are dealing  
with.  Now, I'm not sure how to decipher each BOM but perhaps Google  
will know the answer.



--
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Multimedia
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


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Re: mTropolis refugees

[Richard Gaskin]

Janus Jakaterina wrote:

Could a drag-and-drop interface be made; has anybody
tried? Doesn't Revolution have a roll-your-own 
feeling with emphasis on scripting rather than
connecting components? 


Yes, compared to a drag-and-drop system Rev is much more akin to 
traditional procedural programming.


But it's fast enough and flexible enough to build such a UI, if only 
there were sufficient interest to warrant the effort (there's a Catch 22 
here: mTropolis having died suggests the market lies elsewhere, yet had 
mTropolis lived there would already be one and no need to build another 
).


I've long had an offer that if someone wants to pay my bills for a few 
months I'd be happy to crank one out.  But getting a few extra months 
free here will be difficult for quite a while --  I wonder if some of 
the other readers here might be sufficiently intrigued to hack one out, 
perhaps as an open source project?


Never enough IDEs for this capable engine, IMO. Always one more workflow 
preference to cater to.   It sure would be fun to add RevTropolis to the 
mix. :)



With Revolution, well, I don't really know where to
begin. 


You might consider beginning here:


Those downloadable stack files were put together in a joint effort 
between RunRev, Jacque Gay, and some of the most experienced scripters 
in this community.  They cover a broad range of topics -- pick one that 
sounds interesting, read the material, then another, and soon you'll 
have a good foundation.


And of course, there's no substitute for hands-on playtime. Make a 
stack, put some objects in it, add some scripts and see what happens


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 Richard Gaskin
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Re: mTropolis refugees

[Janus Jakaterina]

First, thank you to the several people who responded.
I was led to this list by a comment from Heather Nagey
(Customer Support Manager. Runtime Revolution Ltd.) on
the mtropolis survivors list. Quark killed mTropolis
in 1998, but a survivors list still exists, even if
not very active, some seven years later. So what makes
a product worth following so long after its demise?  

mTropolis used a section, subsection, scene metaphor
(I understand Revolution uses a card metaphor and
Director uses a film metaphor). Every piece of media
is an asset. Drag modifier icons onto assets to give
them functionality, such as sending messages. Set the
parameters of a modifier with a window of pull-down
lists or fields. This concept of programming by
drag-and-drop icons is prevalent in Quickmedia
(http://www.omegaconcept.fr/index.php?oc=52), but what
set mTropolis apart was behaviors, basically
containers of modifiers that permitted complex actions
to be built up. A whole behavior could be switched on
or off or copied to other media (aliasing). Glen
Hunter does a good job of capturing the mTropolis
experience (see
http://www.cbd-hq.com/articles/2000/000501gh_mtropolis.asp):
a component-based development tool. The intuitive
interface and OOP power made development fast and --
get this -- fun.   

The mTropolis reference guide also set a standard. You
can d/l a copy (4.8 MB) at
http://www.arch.columbia.edu/DDL/cad/AOI/S99/basics/Reference.pdf
and the quick reference quide (260 kB) is at
http://www.arch.columbia.edu/DDL/cad/AOI/S99/basics/Quick_ref.pdf
.

That brings me to the present. Steve Goldberg, many
thanks for your thoughts. I just can't see behaviors
and aliasing in Revolution, however. Is it just an
interface thing or are they wrapped up in a whole
different architecture? Could a drag-and-drop
interface be made; has anybody tried? Doesn't
Revolution have a roll-your-own feeling with emphasis
on scripting rather than connecting components? 

With mTropolis I just dragged out my media and
modifiers and started snapping everything together.
With Revolution, well, I don't really know where to
begin. 

I seem to be suffering vertigo of the informational architecture.



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Re: Downloading mystery

[Bruce A. Pokras]

On 17 Nov 2005, at 01:42, Bruce A. Pokras wrote:

I am trying to script the downloading of European patents from the 
European Patent Office's server. They provide a sample URL to use 
for that purpose, but instead of the patent, I instantly get a zero 
size file. I've tried it with and without URLencode. However, 
scriptiing with revGoURL works fine with the same URL to open the 
patent in my browser. Any ideas? The script I am using goes like 
this:


on mouseup
put 
"https://publications.european-patent-office.org/PublicationServer/getpdf.jsp?cc=EP&pn=1502503&ki=A1"; 
into theURL

   put URL theURL into URL "binfile:1502503.pdf"
end mouseup

Could it be that Rev is allergic to JavaServer Pages? I hope not. 
Thanks for any help that you might be able to give.



This is a plea, not just to Bruce, but to all of you who do things 
like this, most of whom should know better.


When you deal with URLs, especially internet URLs, things sometimes 
go wrong. Often these things are outside of your control, such as 
the network being busy, being given the wrong URL by your boss, your 
ISP's data center being struck by an asteroid, or a dud hard drive.


It's important that you check that things happen as expected. So 
every time you make a url request, always (i.e. always) check "the 
result".


In the example above, there are two url requests in the same line. 
So should you check the result twice? I'd say "yes". Something like 
this:


put URL theURL into theData
put the result into theRes
if theRes <> empty then
  answer theRes ## or whatever you need to do
else
  put theData into URL "binfile:1502503.pdf"
  put the result into theRes
  if theRes is not empty then
answer theRes ## or whatever you need to do
  else
##carry on
  end if
end if



Apart from that, I think Ken's pointer to 
"libURLSetSSLVerification" will probably work. This will mean that 
you won't be able to authenticate the remote server. Perhaps OK for 
the patent office, but probably not a good idea for doing bank 
transactions. The alternative is to set the sslCertificates property 
to an appropriate certificates file.


Cheers
Dave


Thanks, Dave, for the mauling. It was well deserved. However, I have 
been trying to get this to work over a period of several weeks. This 
was not a "try once and cry for help." This has been a long, drawn 
out bit of frustration. A couple of times I did throw "the result" 
into the script, but it was very un-enlightening. I also alternated 
using "revGoURL" with the same URL, and bingo, the patent showed up 
in Netscape.  So there were no issues with the EPO server at the 
times I was trying.


With that introduction, the "Result #1" (see below) shows the single 
word "error". Not very enlightening! I am using the following 
handler, if anyone wishes to try it:


on mouseUp
  libUrlSetSSLVerification false
  put 
"https://publications.european-patent-office.org/PublicationServer/getpdf.jsp?cc=EP&pn=1502502&ki=A1"; 
into theURL

  put URL theURL into holdData
  put the result into theRes
  if theRes <> empty then
answer "Result #1: " & theRes
  else
put holdData into URL "binfile:1502503.pdf"
put the result into theRes2
if theRes2 <> empty then
  answer "Result #2: " & theRes2
end if
  end if
end mouseUp

Again, if you substitute "revgourl theURL" in the appropriate place, 
you will have the patent showing up in your browser in no time 
(figuratively speaking, of course). Any hints for this problem would 
be appreciated!


Regards,

Bruce Pokras
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Detecting Unicode text

[Sarah Reichelt]

Hi All,

I have a utility that takes a text file saved by Apple's Mail, reads
it and processes it. The problem is that if there are any weird
characters in the original email, Mail saves it as UTF-16 (I think).
This opens fine in TextEdit, but in Rev, I get the characters all
spaced apart. e.g. instead of the email containing "Subject:", it
contains " S u b j e c t :  " which completely messes up all
subsequent processing.

If I UniDecode the text, it comes good except for a weird character at
the start which I can handle, but is there a neat way to detect the
encoding of text before I start? I suppose I can just look for the
word "Subject" and if it isn't there, uniDecode and try again, but it
seems there should be a way to detect the encoding of the text itself.

Does the weird stuff at the start give me any clues? Checking the
ASCII codes, the text starts with ASCII 254, ASCII 255, space and then
the first character of my text. Perhaps that's my answer, but will
they always be 254 & 255 or does that vary with the encoding?

Any ideas?

TIA,
Sarah
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Re: Database Connectivity Problems

[Frank D. Engel, Jr.]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Aha!  What do you know, it's a BUG!

According to the docs, the "use SSL" field should be ignored unless 
connecting to MySQL.  I set it to be the hilite of button "checkbox 
name" (whatever I called it), which the interface disabled unless using 
MySQL, thinking that is what would happen, but lo and behold -- if I 
check that box and try again, now I'm connecting to port TRUE


Taking that part out of the code solves the problem.

bug 3232 (and counting...)

On Nov 17, 2005, at 12:37 AM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:


I'm back... finally!

Hi Frank, good to hear from you again.

I'm trying to use the database APIs to connect to a PostgreSQL 
database

on the local machine and getting messages like:


could not connect to server: Can't assign requested address
Is the server running on host "localhost" and accepting
TCP/IP connections on port false?


Yes, port "false" -- that's when I don't specify a port!  when I do
specify the port, I get this:

could not translate host name "localhost:5432" to
address: No address associated with nodename



Could you send the actual script you are using to make the connection?
If you are using variables to specify the username, password &
database name, can you get Rev to "put" the complete command before
executing it, so you can be sure it is really working. Or perhaps
hard-wire the data for test purposes to see if you can connect that
way.

Cheers,
Sarah
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$ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
$ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten 
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
everlasting life.

$
-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin)

iD8DBQFDfSza7aqtWrR9cZoRApBqAJsHIscGWtEloe8UaDcMUO6uCZcm0gCdGYsF
OvehT6hazj/7LjWSQ8spfVM=
=aM5w
-END PGP SIGNATURE-



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cascade & tile windows

[Preston Shea]

Has anyone got functions to cascade or tile the windows of substacks opened 
from a mainstack? Thanks!
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Re: frappr map

[Sarah Reichelt]

> Valletta is indeed on the frappr map. I just tested this by changing
> my location to Valletta and back again (I modified Jacque's timewarp
> stack to do spacewarping instead). Select "not in the U.S.", then type
> "Valletta". Only one option comes up. Select it and change to the
> satellite map view if you want to verify it.
>
> http://www.frappr.com/runtimerevolution
>

And I just found that you can adjust your location directly. Outside
the US (or at least in Australia), you have to specify your city and
the marker is placed for you at some central location. If you then go
to your profile, you get the option of moving your marker around the
map. So if your city is not specified, choose a close one, and move
the marker afterwards.

Cheers,
Sarah
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Re: MP3 sound files in Rev

[Thomas McCarthy]

Paul,
This keeps popping up now and then. Perhaps it should be mentioned in the 
documentation.

MP3 files can be played with the player control on either Windows or Mac. Just 
set the filename of the player to the mp3 file you wish to play.

(your Windows system will need Microsoft Media Player version 6 or above 
installed--it shouldn't be a problem)

Also keep in mind the bug where the player's sound drops out towards the end. I 
think setting the player to visible solves it (move it off the viewable area to 
hide it)

Finally, you cannot record in mp3 or mp4 format--even though some interesting 
possiblities are presented to you when you look at the "Recording Formats" 
window. But you can record in wave format and then run a shell program to 
convert it to mp3.

cheers,
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Re: HTML issue

[Ken Ray]

On 11/17/05 2:52 PM, "Eric Chatonet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Hi Ken,
> 
> Thank you.
> Seems that your solution would change the first color definition that
> is already present in the html code.
> May be I misunderstand :-)
> In my case, first there are hundred of occurrences and second, they
> have not any color tag yet.

Oh, sorry - I thought you needed to change the color from one to another.
You could use a similar thing to find the  tag and then add "color" if
there isn't already one, but are you looking for a *fast* solution, or an
elegant one? It is more elegant with regex, but is slower because it needs
to work on each instance in the field individually. If you're interested in
this, let me know and I'll send it to you.


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Sons of Thunder Software
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Re: HTML issue

[Eric Chatonet]

Hi Alex,

Very interesting thoughts :-)
Above all about search and replace strings with the same length (I  
remember a thread about that lately).

But there is still a problem of security:
It's the user who specifies the string and he can specify fa (then he  
will be a musician :-) or nt (then will be an old Win man :-)
Another trick should be to allow only patterns with 3 chars or  
more... to ensure your solution ;-)


Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.

Le 17 nov. 05 à 22:19, Alex Tweedly a écrit :


Eric Chatonet wrote:


Hi all,

I want to change the colour of a string in some styled text.
As the string may be any string like "font", "size", etc. that  
appear  in html tags,

I use the following code that works but I'm not satisfied with it...
Any more elegant solution?
Thanks.

Some thoughts - to use on their own, or in combination - or not at  
all, since they are far short of "elegance"
In fact, you might feel these sacrifice elegance for speed - that's  
a habit of mine :-)


Basically what you are doing is
  a set of "replace"s to hide html tags
  the real replace
  a set of "replace"s to restore the html tags.

Thought 1. Simplify the 3rd set of replaces, by doing

 put numToChar(3) into c3
 replace "
 then do the real replace, and then
 replace c3 with empty in tText

Thought 2.  There is a speed optimization to replace a sub-string  
by another sub-string *of the same length*.
AND note that the tags to be replaced all contain either "e" or  
"o", so


put numToChar(3) into c3  -- to replace o
put numToChar(8) into c8  -- to replace e
replace "" with ""

Then do
  repeat for each line L in lReplacements
 replace item 1 of L with item 2 of L in tText
  end repeat
  do the real replace
replace c3 with "o" in tText
replace c8 with "e" in tText


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please avoid a cute noninformative Subject:

[Erik Hansen]

--- MisterX <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> you can't judge a mail by it's subject 

please avoid a cute noninformative Subject:
thank you.

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Re: Leading Zeros in Binary

[Camm29]

Perfect , Thanks

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From: "Alex Tweedly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "How to use Revolution" 
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 9:03 PM
Subject: Re: Leading Zeros in Binary


> Camm29 wrote:
>
> >Help  Please
> >
> >When using baseConvert ("00FF" , 16 , 2)
> >
> >it returns 
> >
> >This is correct but i wish to keep the leading zeros for bit manipulation
> >
> >so i need the result to be ,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> You can't do it directly in baseconvert (AFAIK), but you can use
> "format" to add leading 0s
>
> put format("%032s", baseconvert("00FF", 16, 2))
> gives
> 
>
> --
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Re: Leading Zeros in Binary

[Camm29]

Great Thanks
format works great
Cheers
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To: "'How to use Revolution'" 
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 9:03 PM
Subject: RE: Leading Zeros in Binary


> that would be in the "format" or numberformat section...
>
> sorry never tried... could work ;)
>
> set the numberformat to "" ...
>
> or
>
> get format("%#b", mynumber)
> which seems to have more options...
>
> cheers
> Xavier
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Camm29
> > Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 21:48
> > To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com
> > Subject: Leading Zeros in Binary
> >
> > Help  Please
> >
> > When using baseConvert ("00FF" , 16 , 2)
> >
> > it returns 
> >
> > This is correct but i wish to keep the leading zeros for bit
> > manipulation
> >
> > so i need the result to be ,
> > 
> >
> > Kind Regards
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Re: HTML issue

[Alex Tweedly]

Eric Chatonet wrote:


Hi all,

I want to change the colour of a string in some styled text.
As the string may be any string like "font", "size", etc. that appear  
in html tags,

I use the following code that works but I'm not satisfied with it...
Any more elegant solution?
Thanks.

Some thoughts - to use on their own, or in combination - or not at all, 
since they are far short of "elegance"
In fact, you might feel these sacrifice elegance for speed - that's a 
habit of mine :-)


Basically what you are doing is
  a set of "replace"s to hide html tags
  the real replace
  a set of "replace"s to restore the html tags.

Thought 1. Simplify the 3rd set of replaces, by doing

 put numToChar(3) into c3
 replace "
AND note that the tags to be replaced all contain either "e" or "o", so

put numToChar(3) into c3  -- to replace o
put numToChar(8) into c8  -- to replace e
replace "" with ""

Then do
  repeat for each line L in lReplacements
 replace item 1 of L with item 2 of L in tText
  end repeat
  do the real replace
replace c3 with "o" in tText
replace c8 with "e" in tText


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frappr map

[Mark Wieder]

sims-

Valletta is indeed on the frappr map. I just tested this by changing
my location to Valletta and back again (I modified Jacque's timewarp
stack to do spacewarping instead). Select "not in the U.S.", then type
"Valletta". Only one option comes up. Select it and change to the
satellite map view if you want to verify it.

http://www.frappr.com/runtimerevolution

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Re: Leading Zeros in Binary

[Alex Tweedly]

Camm29 wrote:


Help  Please

When using baseConvert ("00FF" , 16 , 2) 

it returns  


This is correct but i wish to keep the leading zeros for bit manipulation

so i need the result to be ,


 

You can't do it directly in baseconvert (AFAIK), but you can use 
"format" to add leading 0s


put format("%032s", baseconvert("00FF", 16, 2))
   gives


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RE: Leading Zeros in Binary

[MisterX]

that would be in the "format" or numberformat section...

sorry never tried... could work ;)

set the numberformat to "" ...

or 

get format("%#b", mynumber)
which seems to have more options...

cheers
Xavier

> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Camm29
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> To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com
> Subject: Leading Zeros in Binary
> 
> Help  Please
> 
> When using baseConvert ("00FF" , 16 , 2) 
> 
> it returns  
> 
> This is correct but i wish to keep the leading zeros for bit 
> manipulation
> 
> so i need the result to be ,
> 
> 
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Re: HTML issue

[Eric Chatonet]

Hi Ken,

Thank you.
Seems that your solution would change the first color definition that  
is already present in the html code.

May be I misunderstand :-)
In my case, first there are hundred of occurrences and second, they  
have not any color tag yet.


Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.

PS. It's time for me to dig in Regex...

Le 17 nov. 05 à 21:04, Ken Ray a écrit :


I want to change the colour of a string in some styled text.
As the string may be any string like "font", "size", etc. that appear
in html tags,
I use the following code that works but I'm not satisfied with it...
Any more elegant solution?


Yes, you can use regex:

  put the htmlText of fld "Result" into tText
  if matchChunk(tText,"(?s)put the uPatternColor of this stack into char tStart to tEnd of  
tText

  end if
  set the htmlText of fld "Result" to tText



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Leading Zeros in Binary

[Camm29]

Help  Please

When using baseConvert ("00FF" , 16 , 2) 

it returns  

This is correct but i wish to keep the leading zeros for bit manipulation

so i need the result to be ,


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RE: HTML issue

[MisterX]

hummm

in the most downloaded file in monsieurx.com aka the DiscreteBrowser I cache
the html (real), htmltext (somewhat unreal), and text versions of text...

This allows different object (context) parsings for html objects or text
datas or rev text layout parameters to be filtered...

more ideas for keyword cross referencing or relativizing...
links or media parsing...

just a hint...

cheers
Xavier
Http://monsieurx.com/rev

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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
> Eric Chatonet
> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 21:17
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: Re: HTML issue
> 
> Hi Scott,
> 
> Thanks for your interest.
> It's Rev html, but styled one with tags that use the words 
> font, size, face and color.
> When these words are the searched words too, here comes the problem...
> In addition, the pattern can be a part of a word.
> I found out that the method I used is very fast (250 
> milliseconds for 250 000 chars where there are several 
> hundred occurrences).
> Then I'm afraid that a method that would use a repeat loop to 
> get the right chunks would be much more slower...
> Several seconds...
> 
> Le 17 nov. 05 à 19:15, Scott Rossi a écrit :
> 
> > Are you modifying "real" HTML text for display in a Web 
> browser or are 
> > you modifying a block of Rev text?  If you're talking about 
> Rev text, 
> > can you just set the textcolor of a chunk description?
> >
> >   set the textColor of char 2 to 7 of fld "result" to green
> >
> > This should keep your formatting intact.  Or are you doing 
> something 
> > else?
> 
> 
> Best Regards from Paris,
> 
> Eric Chatonet.
> 
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RE: open with on windows does not work with rev. Heeeeeelp :-)

[MisterX]

 
> Now you are adding a new instruction. Where do I do this 
> magical double-click that will solve everything?
> 
> Sarah
> (who gets the all the list emails singly but still finds long 
> sigs to be an annoyance).

ah, the doubleclick command you got me there!

Sarah, sorry for completely useless sigs from work...

X
we usually do only a custom home-made sigs each time when possible... 

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Re: open with on windows does not work with rev. Heeeeeelp :-)

[Sarah Reichelt]

> > > it's actually much simpler than what's been described...
> > > open a command box and type the following
> > > assoc .rev ! this outputs the current association
>
> > Sorry, but to someone who is not familiar with DOS/Windows, there is
> > no way this could possibly be simpler than the previous suggestions.
> > You give no indication of what is the output from the first command
> > and what is supposed to be typed in. Even with the first command, I am
> > left wondering whether to type the exclamation mark or whether it is
> > just a comment marker.
>
> Sorry to disapoint you Sarah. DOS is like C, ugly, hard and non-friendly
> but damn is it faster than any GUI Moft makes. The point of the batch
> here is that with a double click, you dont have to mess with any GUIs
> and it's easy to repeat at any time you reinstall rev...
>
> The ! was there to show that was a comment... (if i had used ' the
> comment character though im sure it would have brought up more
> questions ;)
>

Now you are adding a new instruction. Where do I do this magical
double-click that will solve everything?

Sarah
(who gets the all the list emails singly but still finds long sigs to
be an annoyance).
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Re: HTML issue

[Eric Chatonet]

Hi Scott,

Thanks for your interest.
It's Rev html, but styled one with tags that use the words font,  
size, face and color.

When these words are the searched words too, here comes the problem...
In addition, the pattern can be a part of a word.
I found out that the method I used is very fast (250 milliseconds for  
250 000 chars where there are several hundred occurrences).
Then I'm afraid that a method that would use a repeat loop to get the  
right chunks would be much more slower...

Several seconds...

Le 17 nov. 05 à 19:15, Scott Rossi a écrit :

Are you modifying "real" HTML text for display in a Web browser or  
are you
modifying a block of Rev text?  If you're talking about Rev text,  
can you

just set the textcolor of a chunk description?

  set the textColor of char 2 to 7 of fld "result" to green

This should keep your formatting intact.  Or are you doing  
something else?



Best Regards from Paris,

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RE: Signatures and quoting

[MisterX]

well I'll just take it as disrespect if you deleted my mails based on the
subject...

There's a law of emailness I learned...

you can't judge a mail by it's subject or author...

Anything is a clue to the market...

a demand or a supply of economic flow...

Though I delete 2 to 4 messages from the list as duh's, the rest is serious
IMOHO...

revv
Xavv


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> Sean Shao
> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 20:47
> To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com
> Subject: RE: Signatures and quoting
> 
> No disrespect intended Xavier, but your reply to my message 
> is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. It had the 
> message headers, the stupid Hotmail signature and the 
> mailing-list signature quoted.
> 
> I'm on the digest mode because there are many topics 
> mentioned on the list aren't really something I'm interested 
> (mind you there are more interesting topics than not), but 
> with all the "garbage" in posted in the message it makes it 
> very difficult to be able to scan through and find 
> interesting tid-bits of knowledge and snippets of code 
> (somedays I just look at the subject list and hit delete).. I 
> wasn't on the digest and I received 40 emails a day that were 
> basically bandwidth wasters I'd probably cancel my 
> subscription to the list.
> 
> Now if only email clients were smart enough to strip the 
> signatures like they're supposed to ;-)
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Re: HTML issue

[Ken Ray]

On 11/17/05 8:28 AM, "Eric Chatonet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I want to change the colour of a string in some styled text.
> As the string may be any string like "font", "size", etc. that appear
> in html tags,
> I use the following code that works but I'm not satisfied with it...
> Any more elegant solution?

Yes, you can use regex:

  put the htmlText of fld "Result" into tText
  if matchChunk(tText,"(?s)http://www.sonsothunder.com/
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RE: Signatures and quoting

[Sean Shao]

No disrespect intended Xavier, but your reply to my message is a perfect 
example of what I'm talking about. It had the message headers, the stupid 
Hotmail signature and the mailing-list signature quoted.


I'm on the digest mode because there are many topics mentioned on the list 
aren't really something I'm interested (mind you there are more interesting 
topics than not), but with all the "garbage" in posted in the message it 
makes it very difficult to be able to scan through and find interesting 
tid-bits of knowledge and snippets of code (somedays I just look at the 
subject list and hit delete).. I wasn't on the digest and I received 40 
emails a day that were basically bandwidth wasters I'd probably cancel my 
subscription to the list.


Now if only email clients were smart enough to strip the signatures like 
they're supposed to ;-)


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Re: open with on windows does not work with rev. Heeeeeelp :-)

[Richard Gaskin]

Bob Hartley wrote:

I'm toying with linux anyway, since I'm fed up buying thingds like
diskeeper, regmachanic etc etc etc etc just so the thing doesn't grind to a
halt.


I'm posting in hopes that someone will tell me I'm wrong, but last time 
I looked into the same issues on Linux I found a horribly disorganized mess.


The goals are simple enough:

- Associate a file type with an application, such that
  double-clicking a document of that type launches the app.

- Assign icons for the app and its documents.

- Place alias/shortcut entry in the Start menu (or equivalent
  common UI for launching apps).

By virtue of the plists in OS X bundles the first two are automatic on 
OS X, and with resources it was automatic on Mac OS.


Windows handles those first two through the Registry, requiring explicit 
effort from the developer but at least there's only one relatively 
simple mechanism you need to worry about.


Then we come to Linux window managers:

Last I looked, each had their own special mechanism for this, each 
requiring a different API, with no consistency from one window manager 
to another.


I would be so glad to be wrong on this.

URLs to a universal spec for accomplishing this with things we can do in 
Rev would be appreciated.


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Re: Signatures and quoting

[Charles Hartman]

They don't shoot people on this list. Lethal injections are the  
preferred mode.


Charles Hartman


On Nov 17, 2005, at 11:25 AM, Sean Shao wrote:


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Re: open with on windows does not work with rev. Heeeeeelp :-)

[Bob Hartley]

Alex Tweedly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Sarah Reichelt wrote:
> 
> > > So I doubleclicked on the plugin (has a .rev extension) and windows
> > > asked me what application I wanted to use. Since rev was not in the
> > > list, I clicked browse to go to the rev 2.6 folder and clicked on
> > > revolution.exe.
> >>
> > > I then clicked open and then OK. Oops. Windows XP did not
> > > recognise revolution.exe and set all the files with a .rev extension
> > > to firefox. :-(
> >>
> > > I tried going to the individual properties and diong it that way but
> > > still no luck. Windows does not recognise revolution as an app to
> > > associate fieltypes with.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> > I can't help, but I can confirm this except that in my case, Windows
> > insists on using WinRAR to boot my .rev stacks. When I choose "Open
> > with..." I get a list that does not include Revolution, so I choose
> > Browse and go and find the Revolution.exe. After finding it, it still
> > doesn't appear in the list, so I can't select it and I can't tell
> > Windows to use it for all .rev files.
> >
> > I assumed it was just me as I am not a Windows person, but maybe it is
> > Rev. Should I try re-installing? I uninstalled WinRAR but that didn't
> > help.
> >  
> >
> Click on "My Computer"
>  From the menu, select Tools / Folder Options ...
> Select the Tab "File Types" Scroll down to find REV(*) Click on
> "Change ..." button Check the box "Always use the selected program to open
> this file type" If Rev Engine isn't in the list, use Browse to find it and
> select it. Click OK
> 
> That should set it up so that all .rev files open with it.
> 

Hi Folks.

All sorted now . Sorry for the delay in getting back but I was on webmail on
my other machine. Anyway...

The problem was that when I did this suggestion it did not see rev. However,
I fixed it via the registry.

I searched through all the things in the registry until I found all the .rev
items. One had a path to rev-2.5 so I changed that to rev 2.6 and then rev
2.5 appeared in the list of apps. Then I changed it no problem. I then
bought registry mechanic to check the registry and correct any problems.

I'm toying with linux anyway, since I'm fed up buying thingds like
diskeeper, regmachanic etc etc etc etc just so the thing doesn't grind to a
halt.

Cheers
Bob
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Re: HTML issue

[Scott Rossi]

Recently,Eric Chatonet wrote:

> I want to change the colour of a string in some styled text.
> As the string may be any string like "font", "size", etc. that appear
> in html tags,
> I use the following code that works but I'm not satisfied with it...
> Any more elegant solution?

Are you modifying "real" HTML text for display in a Web browser or are you
modifying a block of Rev text?  If you're talking about Rev text, can you
just set the textcolor of a chunk description?

  set the textColor of char 2 to 7 of fld "result" to green

This should keep your formatting intact.  Or are you doing something else?

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
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Re: Signatures and quoting

[Eric Chatonet]

Le 17 nov. 05 à 18:13, Richard Gaskin a écrit :


MisterX wrote:

or your email client strips the sigs (TAOO CAN DO THIS :)


So TAOO can also do that when emails are sent?


Not very kind but LOL
As for me, unfortunately I don't have TAOO :-(

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.

So Smart Software

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Re: Signatures and quoting

[Richard Gaskin]

MisterX wrote:

or your email client strips the sigs (TAOO CAN DO THIS :)


So TAOO can also do that when emails are sent?

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RE: Signatures and quoting

[MisterX]

I didn't want to demonize digests. In case this is brewing the thread ;)

Digests are helpful, like Tibtits was, but in the waves of mails that some
of us get, it's unmanageable... If you reply often to the list, it's lots of
work to clean the "topic"... (select the story in the digest, copy, select
all, paste), now paste the right subject, add ">" before each line, etc...)

It's too hard to manage things via digest. And I seriously would like to
change how mail works at work (with the big corp legal security sig) or the
spam crap that's prepended the subjects which I miss or the times when the
second email in the "to:" fields gets you in an embarassing situation of
some sorts (which I've missed in the past and still am subject to trip
onto)... 

in a perfect world, one email only shows, with just a bit of good will..
this wouldn't be an issue...

or your email client strips the sigs (TAOO CAN DO THIS :)

And the right quote naturally... We need to see at least once what that
"sripped quote" was from that user ;)

I just don’t see how or why people think digests are useful or practical.
Can anyone enlighten me on it's advantages?

Cheers
Xavier


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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
> Sean Shao
> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 17:25
> To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com
> Subject: Signatures and quoting
> 
> >BTW, is is really necessary to attach such a long sig to 
> every one of 
> >your emails to this list? I find it irritating and I get the 
> messages 
> >individually. The people who get the digest must find it a major 
> >inconvenience. If your employer insists on such a sig, perhaps you 
> >could use a non-work email address for this list?
> 
> As much as big signatures are annoying, what's even more 
> annoying are people who don't snip them from replies or those 
> people who quote whole messages to say thanks (and the people 
> who keep quoting the quoted messages should all be shot)..  I 
> get the list in digest mode and some days there are only 3 
> messages in the digest (and not due to it being a slow day 
> but just people who can't seem to quote nicely)..
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Re: [ANN] F-ab is now available for downloading

[Klaus Major]

Konichi-wa Jiro-san,


Hello,

"F-ab" is now available for downloading.
F-ab is a browser for Flash movies. Flash movies are switched by
changing the channel like TV programs in it. You can see 1 Flash
movies by changing the channel from "" to "".

F-ab was created by Revolution and Java.
This product is a freeware (not a open-source product).

Download:
http://www.f-ab.net/

System requirements:
OS: Mac OS X 10.4 or later
Memory: 512 MB of RAM or more
Display: 1024 x 768 or lager


Yoku dekimashita! :-)

Could you please tell us a bit more about how you did this?
I am sure most of the listmembers would love to know a bit about the
technical background.

And most of us are VERY interested in displaying Flash content inside
Rev without altBrowser and/or Quicktime! ;-)


We have a plan to port this product to Windows.


Maybe this can be done by using the wonderful "altBrowser" plugin  
from Altuit?

 http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/altBrowserCover/default.htm

I may be a bit too naive, but at the first glance... ;-)


Currently few Flash
movies has registered in F-ab. Please register your Flash movies to F-
ab, if you use them in your web pages. Registration is free.

Best regards,

Jiro Harada
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Ronri Kobo, Inc.
806, 6-24-2, Nishi-Gotanda, Shinagawa-ku
Tokyo, 141-0031 Japan
IP Phone/Fax. +81 50 3346 0007
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http://www.ronri-kobo.com/


Regards

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Signatures and quoting

[Sean Shao]

BTW, is is really necessary to attach such a long sig to every one of
your emails to this list? I find it irritating and I get the messages
individually. The people who get the digest must find it a major
inconvenience. If your employer insists on such a sig, perhaps you
could use a non-work email address for this list?


As much as big signatures are annoying, what's even more annoying are people 
who don't snip them from replies or those people who quote whole messages to 
say thanks (and the people who keep quoting the quoted messages should all 
be shot)..  I get the list in digest mode and some days there are only 3 
messages in the digest (and not due to it being a slow day but just people 
who can't seem to quote nicely)..


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[ANN] F-ab is now available for downloading

[Jiro Harada]

Hello,

"F-ab" is now available for downloading.
F-ab is a browser for Flash movies. Flash movies are switched by
changing the channel like TV programs in it. You can see 1 Flash
movies by changing the channel from "" to "".

F-ab was created by Revolution and Java.
This product is a freeware (not a open-source product).

Download:
http://www.f-ab.net/

System requirements:
OS: Mac OS X 10.4 or later
Memory: 512 MB of RAM or more
Display: 1024 x 768 or lager

We have a plan to port this product to Windows. Currently few Flash
movies has registered in F-ab. Please register your Flash movies to F-
ab, if you use them in your web pages. Registration is free.

Best regards,

Jiro Harada
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Ronri Kobo, Inc.
806, 6-24-2, Nishi-Gotanda, Shinagawa-ku
Tokyo, 141-0031 Japan
IP Phone/Fax. +81 50 3346 0007
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.ronri-kobo.com/

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Re: MP3 sound files in Rev.

[Marty Billingsley]

Paul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> I need to know how to play MP3 files in Rev. I had this information
> one time but I lost a hard drive! Please help.

What I have my students do is to use QuickTime Pro to convert the
mp3 files to mov files.  That way they can import the sound as a
video and play it using
 play videoclip songfile.mov

Because the sound is imported into the stack, students don't have to
bother with filename paths.  Also, because it's a videoclip, they can
pause and resume the sound when needed.  Audioclips don't have that
capability.

It seems odd to change audio into video, but this has worked well
for us.

  - marty

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Re: HTML issue

[Eric Chatonet]

Hi Xavier,

Thanks Xavier,
You are almost right.
I prefer this formulation:

  replace pFind with numToChar(3) && numToChar(27) & quote \
 & the uPatternColor of this stack & quote & ">" & pFind \
 & numToChar(244) in tText

Here I replaced "" with numToChar(244)
That's more consistent but in fact does not change anything :-)
pFind is the string the colour of which has to changed.
The whole thing is a function and pFind a parameter.

My problem is only that I don't find an more elegant way to do that.


Le 17 nov. 05 à 15:45, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit :


Hi Eric

I dont see what's wrong...

Though you dont need to change the  tags, you  
seem to

handle the rest
gracefully.

Though, i dont see what you want to change, this seems ok looking...


   replace pFind with numToChar(3) && numToChar(27) & quote \
  & the uPatternColor of this stack & quote & ">" & pFind \
  & "" in tText


what is pfind? A collection of numtochar(3)&numtochar(8), etc...  
that is

going to be
simplified with:

  numToChar(3) && numToChar(27) & quote \
  & the uPatternColor of this stack & quote & ">" & pFind \
  & ""

?

what seems wrong in my confused mind is

you put the text into tText - ok
replace the tags - OK

 replace pFind with numToChar(3) && numToChar(27) & quote \

  & the uPatternColor of this stack & quote & ">" & pFind \
  & "" in tText


and this doesn't seem ok. If you replace pfind (assume no tags in that
first pfind string (since you put them after in the replace string),
then you're going to have pfind

or did i read this wrong?

cheers
Xavier

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 17/11/2005 15:28:20:


Hi all,

I want to change the colour of a string in some styled text.
As the string may be any string like "font", "size", etc. that appear
in html tags,
I use the following code that works but I'm not satisfied with it...
Any more elegant solution?
Thanks.

   put the htmlText of fld "Result" into tText
   -
   replace "" with numToChar(244) in tText
   -
   replace pFind with numToChar(3) && numToChar(27) & quote \
  & the uPatternColor of this stack & quote & ">" & pFind \
  & "" in tText
   -
   replace numToChar(3) with "" in tText
   -
   set the htmlText of fld "Result" to tText

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.

So Smart Software

For institutions, companies and associations
Built-to-order applications: management, multimedia, internet, etc.
Windows, Mac OS and Linux... With the French touch

Free plugins and tutorials on my website

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Re: ANN: XOSMediaLib.rev

[xavier . bury]

Alex,

you were right, not 300MBs ;)
It's been a hell of a confusing day ;)

thanks very much!
cheers
Xavier

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 17/11/2005 11:57:26:

> Mister X. wrote:
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> >Hello Revvers 
> >
> >Here's another release of this powerful media organizer...
> >
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> Thanks.
> I haven't used it yet, just downloaded it.
> But I thought I'd mention that the download page says
> 
> > *Download*:
> >
> > Dowload here 
> >  
> > (4MBs).
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> > This runrev stack requires GIM.rev 
> >  
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> > XOSMediaLib.
> >
> That "300Mb" should be "300Kb".
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Re: HTML issue

[xavier . bury]

Hi Eric

I dont see what's wrong... 

Though you dont need to change the  tags, you seem to 
handle the rest
gracefully.

Though, i dont see what you want to change, this seems ok looking...

>replace pFind with numToChar(3) && numToChar(27) & quote \
>   & the uPatternColor of this stack & quote & ">" & pFind \
>   & "" in tText

what is pfind? A collection of numtochar(3)&numtochar(8), etc... that is 
going to be 
simplified with:
>   numToChar(3) && numToChar(27) & quote \
>   & the uPatternColor of this stack & quote & ">" & pFind \
>   & ""
?

what seems wrong in my confused mind is

you put the text into tText - ok
replace the tags - OK

 replace pFind with numToChar(3) && numToChar(27) & quote \
>   & the uPatternColor of this stack & quote & ">" & pFind \
>   & "" in tText

and this doesn't seem ok. If you replace pfind (assume no tags in that
first pfind string (since you put them after in the replace string), 
then you're going to have pfind

or did i read this wrong?

cheers
Xavier

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 17/11/2005 15:28:20:

> Hi all,
> 
> I want to change the colour of a string in some styled text.
> As the string may be any string like "font", "size", etc. that appear 
> in html tags,
> I use the following code that works but I'm not satisfied with it...
> Any more elegant solution?
> Thanks.
> 
>put the htmlText of fld "Result" into tText
>-
>replace "replace "face=" with numToChar(8) in tText
>replace "size=" with numToChar(9) in tText
>replace "color=" with numToChar(27) in tText
>replace "" with numToChar(244) in tText
>-
>replace pFind with numToChar(3) && numToChar(27) & quote \
>   & the uPatternColor of this stack & quote & ">" & pFind \
>   & "" in tText
>-
>replace numToChar(3) with "replace numToChar(8) with "face=" in tText
>replace numToChar(9) with "size=" in tText
>replace numToChar(27) with "color=" in tText
>replace numToChar(244) with "" in tText
>-
>set the htmlText of fld "Result" to tText
> 
> Best Regards from Paris,
> 
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> 
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Re: MP3 sound files in Rev.

[Eric Chatonet]

Hi Paul,

You might be interested in the following tutorial:  "How to Monitor a  
QuickTime Player by Script" available from Tutorials Picker:
This stack shows you how to monitor a QT player to play music (mp3  
included) and provide all the usual commands, and more, to the user.
The main commands are embedded in a scripted group, which you can  
export into any project.

Print function included.

Tutorials Picker is available from my website http:// 
www.sosmartsoftware.com/ (Revolution > Plugins or Tutorials)


Best Regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.

Le 17 nov. 05 à 15:16, Paul a écrit :

I need to know how to play MP3 files in Rev. I had this information  
one time but I lost a hard drive! Please help.



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HTML issue

[Eric Chatonet]

Hi all,

I want to change the colour of a string in some styled text.
As the string may be any string like "font", "size", etc. that appear  
in html tags,

I use the following code that works but I'm not satisfied with it...
Any more elegant solution?
Thanks.

  put the htmlText of fld "Result" into tText
  -
  replace "" with numToChar(244) in tText
  -
  replace pFind with numToChar(3) && numToChar(27) & quote \
 & the uPatternColor of this stack & quote & ">" & pFind \
 & "" in tText
  -
  replace numToChar(3) with "" in tText
  -
  set the htmlText of fld "Result" to tText

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.

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Re: mTropolis Refugees

[Jim Hurley]

Message: 10
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 16:01:25 -0800 (PST)
From: Janus Jakaterina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: mTropolis Refugees
To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

Are there many mTropolis folk now residing in the land
of Revolution?

If so, how is Revolution for behaviors, aliasing, and
messaging?

Other than the arcade engine, which seems to be a 3rd
party product, can Revolution handle multiple moving
objects or collision detection?



Janus,

Not sure what mTropolis is, but you might check out  "Nine ball" on 
my web site:


http://home.infostations.net/jhurley/

Actually Run Rev can handle 15 ball pool, but it clutters the table. 
You might also find "Bouncing ball tools" helpful as well. Depends on 
what you are interested in.


Jim


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Re: Downloading mystery

[xavier . bury]

Bruce,

I got this message from their front page...

"The server at publications.european-patent-office.org is taking too long 
to respond."

i get timeouts... their web server could be down...

cheers
Xavier

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 17/11/2005 15:19:04:

> 
> On 17 Nov 2005, at 01:42, Bruce A. Pokras wrote:
> 
> > I am trying to script the downloading of European patents from the 
> > European Patent Office's server. They provide a sample URL to use 
> > for that purpose, but instead of the patent, I instantly get a zero 
> > size file. I've tried it with and without URLencode. However, 
> > scriptiing with revGoURL works fine with the same URL to open the 
> > patent in my browser. Any ideas? The script I am using goes like this:
> >
> > on mouseup
> > put "https://publications.european-patent-office.org/ 
> > PublicationServer/getpdf.jsp?cc=EP&pn=1502503&ki=A1" into theURL
> >put URL theURL into URL "binfile:1502503.pdf"
> > end mouseup
> >
> > Could it be that Rev is allergic to JavaServer Pages? I hope not. 
> > Thanks for any help that you might be able to give.
> 
> 
> This is a plea, not just to Bruce, but to all of you who do things 
> like this, most of whom should know better.
> 
> When you deal with URLs, especially internet URLs, things sometimes 
> go wrong. Often these things are outside of your control, such as the 
> network being busy, being given the wrong URL by your boss, your 
> ISP's data center being struck by an asteroid, or a dud hard drive.
> 
> It's important that you check that things happen as expected. So 
> every time you make a url request, always (i.e. always) check "the 
> result".
> 
> In the example above, there are two url requests in the same line. So 
> should you check the result twice? I'd say "yes". Something like this:
> 
> put URL theURL into theData
> put the result into theRes
> if theRes <> empty then
>answer theRes ## or whatever you need to do
> else
>put theData into URL "binfile:1502503.pdf"
>put the result into theRes
>if theRes is not empty then
>  answer theRes ## or whatever you need to do
>else
>  ##carry on
>end if
> end if
> 
> 
> 
> Apart from that, I think Ken's pointer to  "libURLSetSSLVerification" 
> will probably work. This will mean that you won't be able to 
> authenticate the remote server. Perhaps OK for the patent office, but 
> probably not a good idea for doing bank transactions. The alternative 
> is to set the sslCertificates property to an appropriate certificates 
> file.
> 
> Cheers
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Re: MP3 sound files in Rev.

[Klaus Major]

Hi Paul,

I need to know how to play MP3 files in Rev. I had this information  
one time but I lost a hard drive! Please help.


Create a player-object and set its filename to the mp3 file.
But this requires Quicktime to be installed!


Paul


Regards

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Re: MP3 sound files in Rev.

[xavier . bury]

Hi Paul

> I need to know how to play MP3 files in Rev. I had this information 
> one time but I lost a hard drive! Please help.

Just create a player and set it's path to the file's path...

answer file "Choose a media file to play:"
set the filename of player 1 to thisfile


cheers
Xavier

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 17/11/2005 15:16:18:

WARNING: big ugly SIG follows ;)


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Re: Downloading mystery

[Dave Cragg]

On 17 Nov 2005, at 01:42, Bruce A. Pokras wrote:

I am trying to script the downloading of European patents from the  
European Patent Office's server. They provide a sample URL to use  
for that purpose, but instead of the patent, I instantly get a zero  
size file. I've tried it with and without URLencode. However,  
scriptiing with revGoURL works fine with the same URL to open the  
patent in my browser. Any ideas? The script I am using goes like this:


on mouseup
put "https://publications.european-patent-office.org/ 
PublicationServer/getpdf.jsp?cc=EP&pn=1502503&ki=A1" into theURL

   put URL theURL into URL "binfile:1502503.pdf"
end mouseup

Could it be that Rev is allergic to JavaServer Pages? I hope not.  
Thanks for any help that you might be able to give.



This is a plea, not just to Bruce, but to all of you who do things  
like this, most of whom should know better.


When you deal with URLs, especially internet URLs, things sometimes  
go wrong. Often these things are outside of your control, such as the  
network being busy, being given the wrong URL by your boss, your  
ISP's data center being struck by an asteroid, or a dud hard drive.


It's important that you check that things happen as expected. So  
every time you make a url request, always (i.e. always) check "the  
result".


In the example above, there are two url requests in the same line. So  
should you check the result twice? I'd say "yes". Something like this:


put URL theURL into theData
put the result into theRes
if theRes <> empty then
  answer theRes ## or whatever you need to do
else
  put theData into URL "binfile:1502503.pdf"
  put the result into theRes
  if theRes is not empty then
answer theRes ## or whatever you need to do
  else
##carry on
  end if
end if



Apart from that, I think Ken's pointer to  "libURLSetSSLVerification"  
will probably work. This will mean that you won't be able to  
authenticate the remote server. Perhaps OK for the patent office, but  
probably not a good idea for doing bank transactions. The alternative  
is to set the sslCertificates property to an appropriate certificates  
file.


Cheers
Dave
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MP3 sound files in Rev.

[Paul]

I need to know how to play MP3 files in Rev. I had this information 
one time but I lost a hard drive! Please help.



Paul


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Re: mTropolis refugees

[Stgoldberg]

Regarding mTropolis versus Revolution, I've used mTropolis for many projects. 
Presently all the programs in our medical publishing company have been done 
in mTropolis (www.medmaster.net).   Since the demise of mTropolis, I've looked 
at other programs but have now gone to Revolution, which works on OS X, has 
easy Internet connectivity, and has a far more advanced scripting language.   
The concept of behaviors and aliasing is also a feature of Revolution, but it 
is 
done differently, referring to premade scripts that may reside, for instance, 
in the stack or card.   To me, the ideal program would be one with mTropolis' 
interface, but with the power of Revolution's scripting.

One of the main problems with Revolution, which I understand is being 
addressed now, is the still inadequate documentation for basic features of the 
program.   mTropolis had a superb user manual. While Revolution has an 
excellent 
online dictionary that explains the meaning and usage of the various scripting 
terms, it still does not have an organized documentation of a number of basic 
features of the program, such as the property inspector, which is heavily used 
in the programming process.   

I suspect that I might not be using Revolution at all if I did not already 
have a significant background in Hypercard scripting, since it is so important 
to have the proper documentation to get started. There is a need for the 
beginner to have a good Getting Started manual, for both the scripting process 
and 
understanding the basic features of the program.The Revolution forum is a 
fantastic source of information. There are many people who are right there 
immediately trying to be of help, and have helped me considerably a number of 
times.   I suspect, though, that there would be less need for questions 
addressed 
to the forum if the documentation for Revolution were better.   The problem is 
that in order to find something, the information appears scattered with no 
central source for addressing many "How to do it" situations.  While there is a 
user manual, it has no Index and the information is not well organized.   As 
mentioned, I understand this is being addressed, and will be important for the 
program to attract new users, particularly if they have no prior experience 
with Hypercard, Metacard or related languages.   All-in-all, Revolution is a 
very powerful program, easy to use in comparison with programs like C++ or 
Java, 
and is the best I've been able to find since mTropolis, which is why I've made 
the switch.
Steve Goldberg

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> Are there many mTropolis folk now residing in the land
> of Revolution?
> 
> If so, how is Revolution for behaviors, aliasing, and
> messaging?
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Re: open with on windows does not work with rev. Heeeeeelp :-)

[xavier . bury]

Hi Sarah,

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 17/11/2005 12:09:13:

> On 11/17/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> > it's actually much simpler than what's been described...
> >
> > open a command box and type the following
> >
> > assoc .rev ! this outputs the current association

> Sorry, but to someone who is not familiar with DOS/Windows, there is
> no way this could possibly be simpler than the previous suggestions.
> You give no indication of what is the output from the first command
> and what is supposed to be typed in. Even with the first command, I am
> left wondering whether to type the exclamation mark or whether it is
> just a comment marker.

Sorry to disapoint you Sarah. DOS is like C, ugly, hard and non-friendly
but damn is it faster than any GUI Moft makes. The point of the batch
here is that with a double click, you dont have to mess with any GUIs
and it's easy to repeat at any time you reinstall rev...

The ! was there to show that was a comment... (if i had used ' the 
comment character though im sure it would have brought up more
questions ;)

> BTW, is is really necessary to attach such a long sig to every one of
> your emails to this list? I find it irritating and I get the messages
> individually. The people who get the digest must find it a major
> inconvenience. If your employer insists on such a sig, perhaps you
> could use a non-work email address for this list?

It's not my doing nor is it to my liking. 

I use another email at home to catch the mailist too but the web email
client (at work) is just good for reading - plus problems with copypastes 
with FireFox make it unusable for replying emails. 

To add to that, my email address is different from the inscription - 
so i can catch it anywhere if their email service goes down so it's a bit 
more complicated than you can imagine - mostly because the mailist doesn't
accept more than one email (one for send and one for receiv.)

All that to make sure i dont miss a post in the mailist ;)

I'd like to say that digests are just as horrible...

Have you tried the mailist in single-mail form? It's easier to find info,
easier to respond, easier to sort or organize or see who sends what! Plus
if you reply, you dont need to strip all the info and change the subject
title... oh yes, with digests you can't filter out emails containing big 
sigs ;(

Also in my web email client i can't see who sends what because the stupid
ajax wannabe looser program doesn't display "from:" headers, html mails
are lost in the translation and it logs out every 10 minutes :(... 

While writing this mail, my 21" monitor died, i had to kill my machine, 
find another screen, start everything over (reconnect to 3 metaframe 
servers, 4 RDP servers, relaunch MC and pickup where i lost the last i 
did to it... And all that for a "!" and a readers' digest ;)

So im sorry for the sig... But the only thing i could do about it, is stop
helping those with questions... For those that dont say thanks, i could
care less but for the others it's part of my rev-xtalk culture so i doubt
i'll stop... ;)

cheers
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Re: Light text OS X 10.4.3

[Bruce Lewis]

To add to the information.

Before this started, I erased the partitions and did a fresh install of OS
X and Revolution on both the machines. I updated OS X to 10.4.3.

Before that, I had been using Revolution 2.6.1 on both machines and OS X
10.4.2. Apparently the 10.4.3 update did something about text smoothing. I
do not believe anyone knows exactly what it was, although there is a
setting in the Appearance Preference Pane for automatic, as well as, light,
medium, strong.

The basis question is why Revolution is different from any other
application. Is there some interaction between Revolution and 10.4.3 that
is doing it? Is the text displayed through a different mechanism in
Revolution than other applications?

This occurs not only in flds, but everywhere in Revolution and with all fonts.

Thanks.

Bruce


At 9:05 PM -0500 11/16/05, Bruce Lewis wrote:
>I just installed Max OS X Tiger 10.4.3 and Revolution 2.6.1 on two
>different machines. One is a PowerBook and the other a power Mac, both with
>LCD displays.
>
>There seems to be a problem with the legibility of text in Revolution. The
>problem occurs throughout the program, including in the documentation. The
>problem occurs on both machines.
>
>It is worst in the fields in my stacks, which are mostly Times 14 point. It
>is not the system, since other programs are fine. I paste some text from a
>Revolution fld into MS Word and compare the two side by side. MS Word is
>fine and Revolution is barely legible.
>
>The difference is probably worse if I set smoothing to strong in the system
>preferences, but it is pronounced at any level.
>
>Any thoughts? Anyone else using a similar setup?

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Re: open with on windows does not work with rev. Heeeeeelp :-)

[Sarah Reichelt]

On 11/17/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> it's actually much simpler than what's been described...
>
> open a command box and type the following
>
> assoc .rev ! this outputs the current association
>
>   ASSOC .rev=RunRevFile
>   FTYPE RunRevFile=D:\Metacard\mc.exe "%1"
>
> assoc .rev=RunRevFile
> assoc mc=RunRevFile
> assoc hc=RunRevFile
>
> double click a rev file and hop it works!
>
> The real issue though is that the installer doesn't create those
> associations when you install rev!
> So reinstalling rev wont fix the problem.
>

Sorry, but to someone who is not familiar with DOS/Windows, there is
no way this could possibly be simpler than the previous suggestions.
You give no indication of what is the output from the first command
and what is supposed to be typed in. Even with the first command, I am
left wondering whether to type the exclamation mark or whether it is
just a comment marker.

BTW, is is really necessary to attach such a long sig to every one of
your emails to this list? I find it irritating and I get the messages
individually. The people who get the digest must find it a major
inconvenience. If your employer insists on such a sig, perhaps you
could use a non-work email address for this list?

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Re: Light text

[Bruce Lewis]

Sarah,

Thanks for your comments.

When I double click on a font file, Font Book opens. While it was open, I
resolved all duplicates. Restart. No difference.

I also repaired permissions and verified the startup disk. No problems.

As to individual font file permissions, they are all the same and have a
notation different from other files. I guess they are "read-only" for all
users and groups, which seems logical.

In the Classic system folder there is a fonts folder with conventional
types of permissions settings. I did not touch these.

The basic point is why Revolution is different from all other applications.
This type of adjustment would not be likely to affect different programs
differently.

Thanks.

Bruce



At 3:29 PM +1000 11/17/05, Sarah Reichelt wrote:
>> I just installed Max OS X Tiger 10.4.3 and Revolution 2.6.1 on two
>> different machines. One is a PowerBook and the other a power Mac, both with
>> LCD displays.
>>
>> There seems to be a problem with the legibility of text in Revolution. The
>> problem occurs throughout the program, including in the documentation. The
>> problem occurs on both machines.
>>
>> It is worst in the fields in my stacks, which are mostly Times 14 point. It
>> is not the system, since other programs are fine. I paste some text from a
>> Revolution fld into MS Word and compare the two side by side. MS Word is
>> fine and Revolution is barely legible.
>>
>
>I had a similar problem with a fresh install of Tiger on a new
>computer. It had the fonts my app was using but they weren't
>officially installed, so my app looked terrible. I wasn't running any
>other apps, so I don't know if it was just Rev or whether it affected
>all apps.
>
>If you go to /Library/Fonts (that's the Library folder in root
>directory of the hard disk, not the one in your user folder) you will
>see a whole load of font files. Double-click on the Times or TImes New
>Roman or whichever font you are using. You may see a sample of this
>font appear in a small window with a message at the bottom saying
>"(not installed)" and an Install button. Click "Install" then log out
>& log in again. This may fix the problem.
>
>If it persists, it may be a permissions problem in the font file
>itself. You may need to set the permissions for the font to Read/Write
>for all users.
>
>HTH,
>Sarah
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Re: ANN: XOSMediaLib.rev

[Alex Tweedly]

Mister X. wrote:

Hello Revvers 


Here's another release of this powerful media organizer...

 


Thanks.
I haven't used it yet, just downloaded it.
But I thought I'd mention that the download page says


*Download*:

Dowload here 
 
(4MBs).


This runrev stack requires GIM.rev 
 
(300MBs) to resize correctly. Open it first and activate it. Then open 
XOSMediaLib.



That "300Mb" should be "300Kb".
I did wonder how much I really wanted it, but then decided 300Mb *had* 
to be a mistake.

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RE: mTropolis Refugees

[Jesse Sng]

I used mTropolis 2.0 for an interactive CD/ROM that was used to promote
Singapore. We had QTVR's of Raffles hotel and other famous landmarks,
quicktime video, stills, maps and most innovatively at that time live links
to the updatable information on the web for hotel bookings and theme park
availability etc. Oh, those were the days.

What a fantastic product it was, and I still say "Damn Adobe and Quark" for
killing it between them...

Cheers

John T


Hi John,

Interesting. I'm also in Singapore and we were looking at using the 
brand new (then) mTropolis 2.0. Anyway we got burnt by that and it 
took me many years before I got rid of the mTropolis box that was 
sitting on my shelf.



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AW: open with on windows does not work with rev. Heeeeeelp :-)

[Thomas Fischer]

Hello Bob,


> Anyone got any idea what I should do (appart from using a mac. :-)
> I'm thinking along the lines of my first forray into the registry. O!

If you don't like the DOS based advice already given and don't want to venture 
into the Registry (although this is not as bad as its reputation), the Windows 
GUI approach is to open Explorer and look for "Folder Options" (under "View" in 
Win 98, under "Extras" und Win 2000 and XP, and don't ask me why they use this 
heading). (This is all guessed from my German interface, interpretation may be 
necessary.) This will open a window with several tabs, one of the "Types" or 
so. Look for the extension "REV".
You will most likely then have two options.
- "Change" to change the file association
- "More" or so to define more precisely what contextual menus should be 
available
With the latter option you could choose to open the stack with the Dreamcard 
Player on a double click and with  the full engine choosing something like 
"edit" with a right mouse click.

All the best
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Re: open with on windows does not work with rev. Heeeeeelp :-)

[xavier . bury]

Alex

> Somewhere or somehow you need to tell it that you want to use C:\Program 

> Files\Revolution 2.6.1\revolution.exe (or local equivalent) to run these 

> files. (Don't you ?)

that's why first you associate the file type

assoc .rev=RunRevFile -- you create the association to runrevfile for the 
file type

FTYPE RunRevFile=D:\Metacard\mc.exe "%1"
then sets the RunRevFile type(s) to the path...

so if later you add
assoc .mc=RunRevFile, it will work too for mc files...
Thus .mc and .rev files are now RunRevFile(s)...

cheers
Xavier


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Re: open with on windows does not work with rev. Heeeeeelp :-)

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That's good if you already have the filetype info for "RunRevFile" set 
up - but you probably won't.
   



ASSOC .rev=RunRevFile
This line sets up your file type... as seen in "Ftype /?"

 

It sets up the filetype - but it doesn't provide the needed info on how 
to run that filetype.


Somewhere or somehow you need to tell it that you want to use C:\Program 
Files\Revolution 2.6.1\revolution.exe (or local equivalent) to run these 
files. (Don't you ?)


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Re: open with on windows does not work with rev. Heeeeeelp :-)

[xavier . bury]

thanks for the corrections Alex!

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 17/11/2005 09:54:24:

> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> >it's actually much simpler than what's been described...
> >
> >open a command box and type the following
> >
> >assoc .rev ! this outputs the current association
> >
> >  ASSOC .rev=RunRevFile
> >  FTYPE RunRevFile=D:\Metacard\mc.exe "%1"
> >
> >assoc .rev=RunRevFile
> >assoc mc=RunRevFile
> >assoc hc=RunRevFile
> >
> >double click a rev file and hop it works!
> >
> > 
> >
> H - obscure command lines "simpler" than a GUI  -  you must be a 
> Power User. :-)

Simpler because they just take a copy paste. No opening a dialog, click
on a tab, search your type, click "advanced" or edit, choose your file,
click ok...

> That's good if you already have the filetype info for "RunRevFile" set 
> up - but you probably won't.

ASSOC .rev=RunRevFile
This line sets up your file type... as seen in "Ftype /?"


> It looks like you can do that by giving the command
> ftype RunRevFile = "C:\Program Files\RunRev 2.6.1\revolution.exe"  "%1"
>  (adjusted to correct directory for your Rev installation)
> but I haven't tested that. 
> 
> And those last two commands Xavier gave should be
> 
> assoc .mc=RunRevFile
> assoc .hc=RunRevFile

oops, how did i miss those?

> (i.e. you want the period before the extension names).
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Re: open with on windows does not work with rev. Heeeeeelp :-)

[Alex Tweedly]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


it's actually much simpler than what's been described...

open a command box and type the following

assoc .rev ! this outputs the current association

 ASSOC .rev=RunRevFile
 FTYPE RunRevFile=D:\Metacard\mc.exe "%1"

assoc .rev=RunRevFile
assoc mc=RunRevFile
assoc hc=RunRevFile

double click a rev file and hop it works!

 

H - obscure command lines "simpler" than a GUI  -  you must be a 
Power User. :-)


That's good if you already have the filetype info for "RunRevFile" set 
up - but you probably won't.


It looks like you can do that by giving the command
ftype RunRevFile = "C:\Program Files\RunRev 2.6.1\revolution.exe"  "%1"
(adjusted to correct directory for your Rev installation)
but I haven't tested that. 


And those last two commands Xavier gave should be

assoc .mc=RunRevFile
assoc .hc=RunRevFile

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RE: mTropolis Refugees

[John Tregea]

I used mTropolis 2.0 for an interactive CD/ROM that was used to promote
Singapore. We had QTVR's of Raffles hotel and other famous landmarks,
quicktime video, stills, maps and most innovatively at that time live links
to the updatable information on the web for hotel bookings and theme park
availability etc. Oh, those were the days.

What a fantastic product it was, and I still say "Damn Adobe and Quark" for
killing it between them...

Cheers 

John T

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Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 11:37 AM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: mTropolis Refugees

Recently,Janus Jakaterina wrote:

> Are there many mTropolis folk now residing in the land of Revolution?

Not a refugee, more like a second cousin's nephew, twice removed, who
visited once in a while...

 
> If so, how is Revolution for behaviors, aliasing, and messaging?

Again, I'm no mTropolis expert (mTropolis was a long time ago by the way),
but you can give objects their own behaviors that allow them to live, act
and die on their own using something like "send xyz to me..."  Messages can
also be passed from objects to the "environment" of the card and stack,
either using the previous "send..." command or automatically via Rev's
message hierarchy (see here for a good explanation of Rev's message path:
).

The issue you have to watch out for is having dozens of things happening on
screen at once; Rev is not really optimized for this kind of thing across
the board (low end graphics cards and/or processors can affect performance),
but with careful design (and lots of testing) you can get away with some
decent animation/movement.

 
> Other than the arcade engine, which seems to be a 3rd party product, 
> can Revolution handle multiple moving objects or collision detection?

Yes to both.  You can search the list archives for more info on this, and
the following was posted just the other day:

Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 20:01:57 -0800
Subject: Re: maze wall algorithm
From: Scott Rossi
To: How to use Revolution

Recently,N Cueto wrote:

> If given a maze in the form of a
> grid
> ...
> then, what would be the
> ideal scripting for limiting
> "movement" between only
> contiguous squares that are
> not separated by a wall

The way I've done something like this in the past is to use physical
boundaries, in other words, using the intersect and/or within functions to
prevent/constrain movement in certain directions.  From your example, it's
not clear if you *need* to limit movement based on numerical progression,
but this could be handled easily via the loc property, as you guessed.

You could use rectangle "wall" graphics combined with the above functions to
allow for moveable obstacles, and test for collision with the graphics on
the current maze/screen.  Alternatively, if you were able to use a single
image as your maze, this would allow for testing intersect/within results
within a single object -- the image.  This is the benefit of using images
for collision detection in that you can test for non-transparent pixel
collisions, as opposed to using graphics which only allow for rects.  I
don't know if images would work in your situation but that was the technique
I used and it's reliable.

Let me know if this makes sense (or if not, maybe I can dig up an old demo).

Of course, one must also keep in mind Malte Brill's Arcade Engine...

[end post]


Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
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Re: mTropolis Refugees

[Malte Brill]

Hi Janus,


Other than the arcade engine, which seems to be a 3rd
party product, can Revolution handle multiple moving
objects or collision detection?


ArcadeEngine is completely written in Transcript, so if you roll your 
own scripts the answer is yes, it is possible. The built in move 
command and collision tests are a bit limited though, so it takes  bit 
of experience with Transcript and it´s characteristics, a certain 
familiarity with collision detection algorithms and a bit (actually 
quite a bit) math to roll your own handlers and functions for 
movement/collision detection with satisfactory results. I recommend you 
look at all of Scott Rossis stacks for some inspiration on how to 
create nice animations, at Jim Hurleys 9ball stack for inspiration on 
collision detection and if 3rd party products are an option, download 
the ArcadeEngine trial and play with it for a while.


All the best,

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Re: open with on windows does not work with rev. Heeeeeelp :-)

[xavier . bury]

it's actually much simpler than what's been described...

open a command box and type the following

assoc .rev ! this outputs the current association

  ASSOC .rev=RunRevFile
  FTYPE RunRevFile=D:\Metacard\mc.exe "%1"

assoc .rev=RunRevFile
assoc mc=RunRevFile
assoc hc=RunRevFile

double click a rev file and hop it works!

The real issue though is that the installer doesn't create those 
associations when you install rev!
So reinstalling rev wont fix the problem.

And my pet peeve, is that if rev is open, double clicking a rev icon 
launches another instance
of rev.

To be safe, i would avoid this association on windows due to the potential 
danger of
overwriting the same file from 2 different applications (this has been 
discussed before)...

just my 2 cents on safety...

cheers
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