RE: Ajax in Revolution? Already there? some part?

2005-11-18 Thread MisterX

Dare I say TAOO is scaled up for this?

I didn't want to polute the lists with the long story so
I've added a new article TAOO vs Ajax in TAOO's tiki on how TAOO can be an
AJAX killer on Rev...

http://www.monsieurx.com/tiki/tiki-list_articles.php

Hope you like it. I'll be looking into soap, xml and other data exchange
models in the future (possibly CORBA again). Any interested scripters are
welcome to join in their libraries, comments, questions, ideas or
impressions.

Those interested in joining the effort to make it happen sooner than later
are welcome to join the TAOO team!

cheers
Xavier
http://monsieurx.com/taoo - The RAD object

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RE: searching the mailing list.

2005-11-18 Thread MisterX

Great tool Andre (ActiveSearch)!

Does the plugin strip sigs? :) 

I'll add it ;)

But it's definitely cool!!!

Great stack! Im impressed at the speed!

cheers
Xavier

> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
> Andre Garzia
> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 02:39
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: searching the mailing list.
> 
> Folks,
> 
> we had a lot of new users in the last months. I don't know if 
> they are familiar with the mailing list search service that 
> is provided at:
> 
> http://www.mail-archive.com/use-revolution@lists.runrev.com/
> 
> This is a handy way to search the mailing list for past 
> threads and knowledge pool.
> 
> Also there is a archivesSearch plugin available for the IDE 
> on revOnline, it's also very nice. :P
> 
> Cheers
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RE: Timeline and cudos since June?

2005-11-18 Thread MisterX
> I think perhaps your complaints actually produce results...
> 
> So please don't stop!

Jonathan

Thanks, that's very kind of you :)

But I do have to much less to complain about now ;)

cheers
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Re: Cmd-A doesn't work from Keyboard in Standalone

2005-11-18 Thread Ken Ray
On 11/18/05 8:47 PM, "Charles Hartman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> For the test stack I just pulled a Scrolling List Field straight from
> the tools palette. So List Behavior is true; multipleHilites is
> false; traversalOn is true. I see that the lockText is also true,
> which seems interesting. If you pull what you call "a regular list
> field" from the Tools palette, is that property false? If you have no
> commandKey handler at all, doesn't cmd-A select all the lines in the
> list?

No, not for me... I did the same as you - pulled a scrolling list field
straight from the tools palette, clicked in it and typed command-A... The
Edit menu flashed but the selection remained the same ("Choice 2" was the
only thing highlighted).

(10.3.9 with Rev 2.6.1 build 152)


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Re: Cmd-A doesn't work from Keyboard in Standalone

2005-11-18 Thread Sarah Reichelt
> >>>One way or another, we seem to have an OS 10.3 / 10.4 disparity,
> >>>don't we?
> >>
> >>Well, perhaps... it may also be a plugin or something that has a frontscript
> >>that's grabbing the request? Or did you already install a fresh build and
> >>test that?
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > I can confirm Charles' results with 10.4.3 & Revoloution - so it's not
> > just a DreamCard thing. If I suspend the development tools it works
> > fine, so it's either Rev itself or some plugin, that is intercepting
> > the Command-A. However it is a mystery why it does it in 10.4 and not
> > in 10.3
> >
> > Sarah
>
> I can confirm Ken's results with 10.3.9. But -- what kind of list field
> are we talking about? When I set up a regular list field without
> multiple selections allowed, I can't select all the lines anyway no
> matter what. Could the list field settings be the difference? Charles,
> what are the settings for listBehavior, multipleHilites, traversalOn,
> locktext, etc.?
>

I just used a standard editable field, not a list field, and I got the
same thing Charles got.

Sarah
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Re: keycodes??

2005-11-18 Thread Charles Hartman
Thanks to Sarah & Phil. I just wanted to know if I could trust the  
basics -- escape, return, enter, arrow keys.


Charles

On Nov 18, 2005, at 4:27 PM, Phil Davis wrote:


Sarah Reichelt wrote:

On 11/19/05, Charles Hartman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Sometimes I need to use rawKeyDown handlers, which receive a keyCode
parameter. Two questions: is there a table of these somewhere? and,
are these cross-platform? (If I have to use two tables, and wrap
everything in an "if platform" structure, I'm going to be very sad.)


Here is a link to a test stack I wrote to show you the key codes for
various keys: 
I have always assumed they are cross-platform and don't remember
hearing of any problems.



In my testing, I've seen platform differences in the keycodes of  
some numeric keys (possibly uppercase?) and I think also the 10- 
keypad keys (though I'm not certain about that one). I've never  
compared non-numeric keycodes across platforms so I can't speak to  
that.


Phil Davis


Cheers,
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Re: Cmd-A doesn't work from Keyboard in Standalone

2005-11-18 Thread Charles Hartman
For the test stack I just pulled a Scrolling List Field straight from  
the tools palette. So List Behavior is true; multipleHilites is  
false; traversalOn is true. I see that the lockText is also true,  
which seems interesting. If you pull what you call "a regular list  
field" from the Tools palette, is that property false? If you have no  
commandKey handler at all, doesn't cmd-A select all the lines in the  
list?


Charles Hartman


On Nov 18, 2005, at 9:37 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:


Sarah Reichelt wrote:
I can confirm Charles' results with 10.4.3 & Revoloution - so it's  
not

just a DreamCard thing. If I suspend the development tools it works
fine, so it's either Rev itself or some plugin, that is intercepting
the Command-A. However it is a mystery why it does it in 10.4 and not
in 10.3
Sarah


I can confirm Ken's results with 10.3.9. But -- what kind of list  
field are we talking about? When I set up a regular list field  
without multiple selections allowed, I can't select all the lines  
anyway no matter what. Could the list field settings be the  
difference? Charles, what are the settings for listBehavior,  
multipleHilites, traversalOn, locktext, etc.?

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Re: Cmd-A doesn't work from Keyboard in Standalone

2005-11-18 Thread J. Landman Gay

Sarah Reichelt wrote:

One way or another, we seem to have an OS 10.3 / 10.4 disparity,
don't we?


Well, perhaps... it may also be a plugin or something that has a frontscript
that's grabbing the request? Or did you already install a fresh build and
test that?





I can confirm Charles' results with 10.4.3 & Revoloution - so it's not
just a DreamCard thing. If I suspend the development tools it works
fine, so it's either Rev itself or some plugin, that is intercepting
the Command-A. However it is a mystery why it does it in 10.4 and not
in 10.3

Sarah


I can confirm Ken's results with 10.3.9. But -- what kind of list field 
are we talking about? When I set up a regular list field without 
multiple selections allowed, I can't select all the lines anyway no 
matter what. Could the list field settings be the difference? Charles, 
what are the settings for listBehavior, multipleHilites, traversalOn, 
locktext, etc.?


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Re: Calling webservices from RR

2005-11-18 Thread Mark Wieder
Andre-

I have to say the documentation on the xmlrpc functions leaves
something to be desired. For example, the description of the following
functions simply says "More details to come":

revXMLRPC_DeleteParam
revXMLRPC_Execute
revXMLRPC_Free
revXMLRPC_Free (apparently it's an alias for itself)
revXMLRPC_GetParam
revXMLRPC_GetParamCount
revXMLRPC_GetParamNode
revXMLRPC_GetParamType

Some of these are fairly intuitive as to what they're supposed to do.
But it would be instructive to know, for example, what kinds of error
revXMLRPC_Execute would return. I notice that revXMLRPC_Documents()
will return an error starting with "xmlrpcerr" if it encounters an
error, although I can't imagine what kind of an error it would run up
against. RevXMLRPC_Free never does return an error in the result, so
you never know whether it actually did delete your document or not.

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Re: SHA-1 algorithm in xTalk?

2005-11-18 Thread Phil Davis
I don't know much about hashes - is SHA-1 enough better than Rev's 
md5digest to warrant paying someone to do it? Or will md5digest do what 
you need?


Phil Davis


Frank Leahy wrote:
Has anyone ported the SHA-1 algorithm to xTalk? (see 
http://www.movable-type.co.uk/scripts/SHA-1.html for details)


If not, would anyone be willing to port it for $$?

Regards,
-- Frank


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Re: MP3 sound files in Rev

2005-11-18 Thread Thomas McCarthy

Aloha Sivakatirswami!

>Do you know now many secs are dropped?
not sure, but it seemed to me about 1 or less.

>>then run a shell program to convert it to mp3.
>what program? will it run on OSX?

Not only will it run on OSX (and windows) but it will run from within rev! It's 
a unix exe. You have your stack record a sound to a file and then call this exe 
with the proper parameters and presto--mp3.
I made this in January, so I can't recall right away where I got the unix file 
[somewhere in the back of my head it seems I had to build it]--might have been 
www.finkproject.org

>I'm still depending on Audion to take WMP or WAV into mp3... Peak only does 
>AIFF...and Audion is "dead"

Drop everything and get Audacity! It's free and will do mp3 (although it, too, 
requires you to look for the .dll/.exe and put it in the program's folder).

If you search the archives for mp3 and my name, you should be able to find the 
script I used.

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Ajax in Revolution? Already there? some part?

2005-11-18 Thread Sivakatirswami

Aloha Dan:

Though iFrame may not be supported, perhaps there is something useful  
here... since you were surprised that the browser did not refresh,  
when we called for a new month in that little archive selector.


Point: as you said on the phone.. its very simple, delivery of  
modularized pieces that do not require a full page refresh... at  
least in the scenario we are already there... no client side java is  
required at all for this little one...of course I'm very naive about  
all this, but it works in a tiny little way just as you described.  
Since I don't know JAVA I have to resort to this, probably very  
unorthodox, xTalks methods...


the web page (see side bar with archive selector -- www.gurudeva.org/ 
taka/) has


1)  SSI call to the CGI when loaded ... the call is a GET request in  
initial page load
2) small SSI chunk with a submit button to the same CGI which the CGI  
handles as a POST request.


3) doing the latter delivers back just the HTML chunk needed to  
update the frame... it was live... at least in Firefox, there is no  
refresh of the entire page, we are getting data back into just that  
"object" on the page (an iFrame albeit not widely supported, but the  
model is the same, isn't it? ...modular delivery) Could not this be  
scaled way up? With just xTalk?  Of course, there are issues I don't  
see... but other may find it interesting.


The original page has this which is part of the side bar (no tables  
in this world, thanks to your book!)





width="130" height="140" src="/cgi-bin/buildTakaIndex.cgi">





You may select another month and year below,  
then click "Show"



  ## which  
pulls in this:





value="">Month
Januaryoption>Februaryvalue="March">MarchApriloption>MayJuneoption>Julyvalue="August">AugustSeptemberoption>Octobervalue="November">NovemberDecemberoption>



value="">Year
2005option>20042003option>20022001option>20001999option>1998








in inial load, it calls the CGI immediately (see below) as part of  
the page's initial GET request the CGI is:


#!/usr/local/bin/revolution
on startup
global tYear, tMonth

put $HTTP_REFERER into tCallingPage

if $REQUEST_METHOD is "POST" then

## user has made selections from the option pull downs and submitted
## we take that build a new month chunk and send it back
## note, the browser does not refresh the whole page.

put "" into PostIn
 repeat until length(PostIn) >= $CONTENT_LENGTH
  read from stdin until ""
  put it after PostIn
   end repeat
 put  urlDecode (PostIn)  into tDataIn

# create small array:

split tDataIn by "&" and "="

#extract elements

put tDataIn["year"] into tYear
put tDataIn["month"] into tMonth

else
## this is a GET request from the page on first load
## just  parse today's date:
## and insert the current month's links

put word 1 of item 2 of the long date into tMonth
put item 3 of the long date into tYear

#we have to wipe leading space
delete char 1 of tYear

end if

#  create a path now to the past
# and get directory list of days for the month

put "../html/taka/past/" & tYear& "/" &tMonth &"/" into tArchiveMonth
set the defaultFolder to tArchiveMonth
put the folders into tMonthList
sort tMonthList


#  We have our list of days now just have to
#  build html response
#
#  #put format ("") after tIndex
put format (" @import  
\"/taka/css/taka_04_10_15.css\"; ") after tIndex



else

put format ("") after tIndex
end if

put cr & "" & tMonth & ", " & tYear & "" after tIndex
# create the links chunk

repeat for each line x in tMonthList
  if x contains tMonth then #skips dot files
  put tagIt(x,tYear,tMonth) & " " after tIndex
  end if
end repeat
put cr & "" after tIndex

## We're done, just send it to stdout,  minimal http headers first:

put "Content-Type: text/html" & cr
put "Content-Length:" && the length of tIndex & cr & cr
put tIndex

end startUp

function tagIt tDay,tYear,tMonth
  set the itemdel to "_"
  put format (cr & "&"/" & tDay & format ("/\"  & target=\"_top\">") & item 2 of tDay &  
"" into tDayLink

  return tDayLink
end tagit


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Re: Revolution T-shirts, mugs and more!

Heather-

Friday, November 18, 2005, 12:37:44 PM, you wrote:

> everything the dedicated Revolutionary could want for Christmas.

A runrev thong? The mind boggles...

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Re: Overwrite functions...

Gilberto-

Friday, November 18, 2005, 6:00:06 PM, you wrote:

> Exists any way of overwrite a functions that it is defined by the
> Engine Revolution with my function?

> Example, i want to run a function that i defined like "sec" and
> not run a function that return the seconds.

> function sec tValue
>   put value( 1 / cos( tValue ) ) into tResult
>   return tResult
> end sec

No, unforunately there isn't. I'd love to have this ability, too, but
it would complicate the compiler parser quite a bit, so I don't expect
to see this in my lifetime.

You'd need to define "secant" instead of "sec" in order to get past
the compiler error.

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searching the mailing list.


Folks,

we had a lot of new users in the last months. I don't know if they  
are familiar with the mailing list search service that is provided at:


http://www.mail-archive.com/use-revolution@lists.runrev.com/

This is a handy way to search the mailing list for past threads and  
knowledge pool.


Also there is a archivesSearch plugin available for the IDE on  
revOnline, it's also very nice. :P


Cheers
andre
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Re: Calling webservices from RR



On Nov 18, 2005, at 11:13 PM, Dan Shafer wrote:


Andre

Is your XMLRPC demo site offline now? I dug up an old email where  
you talked about the demos you did at port 8082 (I think) on your  
server but that's non-responsive.


Dan


Dan,

my site is a little dead!!! :D

I am putting a new one up, I'll re-do all the XML-RPC stuff as soon  
as the new site is up.

(I am a better xtalker now, will avoid some bottlenecks)

Cheers
andre
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Re: Calling webservices from RR


On Nov 18, 2005, at 4:54 PM, Dan Shafer wrote:

Doesn't the built-in xmlrpc stuff in Rev work quite well? Or does  
it just need a better abstraction layer to make it more usable?


The current library needs some improvements.  The library could use:

* Support for adding an Transcript arrays to an XML-RPC request  
(STRUCTS and ARRAYS)
* Ability to create an XML-RPC request from a Transcript array.  If a  
rev developer could create an array that mimicked the request they  
wanted to make and just pass that to a function that sent the request  
off then life would be easier.

* The ability to convert a response into a Transcript array.

Ideally the library would allow the developer to interact with a web  
service without ever having to touch XML.  Just native Transcript  
data types.



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SHA-1 algorithm in xTalk?

Has anyone ported the SHA-1 algorithm to xTalk? (see 
http://www.movable-type.co.uk/scripts/SHA-1.html for details)


If not, would anyone be willing to port it for $$?

Regards,
-- Frank

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Re: Overwrite functions...


Overriding built-ins is not supported in Rev as far as I know.


On Nov 18, 2005, at 6:00 PM, Gilberto Cuba wrote:


Hi,

Exists any way of overwrite a functions that it is defined by the  
Engine Revolution with my function?


Example, i want to run a function that i defined like "sec" and not  
run a function that return the seconds.


function sec tValue
  put value( 1 / cos( tValue ) ) into tResult
  return tResult
end sec

Best regards,

Gilberto Cuba
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Re: Calling webservices from RR


Andre

Is your XMLRPC demo site offline now? I dug up an old email where you  
talked about the demos you did at port 8082 (I think) on your server  
but that's non-responsive.


Dan

On Nov 18, 2005, at 5:03 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:


Dan,

the xml-rpc works fine, anything more we need, it's easy to code on  
top. There's no SOAP though, and no server side libraries, but  
third parties can provide that in the future.


Cheers
andre

On Nov 18, 2005, at 10:54 PM, Dan Shafer wrote:

Doesn't the built-in xmlrpc stuff in Rev work quite well? Or does  
it just need a better abstraction layer to make it more usable?



On Nov 18, 2005, at 4:12 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:


and yes, libraries should be supplied.




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Re: Calling webservices from RR


Dan,

the xml-rpc works fine, anything more we need, it's easy to code on  
top. There's no SOAP though, and no server side libraries, but third  
parties can provide that in the future.


Cheers
andre

On Nov 18, 2005, at 10:54 PM, Dan Shafer wrote:

Doesn't the built-in xmlrpc stuff in Rev work quite well? Or does  
it just need a better abstraction layer to make it more usable?



On Nov 18, 2005, at 4:12 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:


and yes, libraries should be supplied.




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Overwrite functions...

Hi,

Exists any way of overwrite a functions that it is defined by the Engine 
Revolution with my function?

Example, i want to run a function that i defined like "sec" and not run a 
function that return the seconds.

function sec tValue
  put value( 1 / cos( tValue ) ) into tResult
  return tResult
end sec

Best regards,

Gilberto Cuba
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Re: Calling webservices from RR

Doesn't the built-in xmlrpc stuff in Rev work quite well? Or does it  
just need a better abstraction layer to make it more usable?



On Nov 18, 2005, at 4:12 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:


and yes, libraries should be supplied.




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Re: Calling webservices from RR



On Nov 18, 2005, at 7:59 PM, Alessandro Manotti wrote:


Sorry Andre, you agree, RunRev can manage xml.

But as you know, soap is not easy to be coded, even if you have
powerful xml tools.
But since soap is becoming much famous, I think Runtime Revolution
company should provide a tested library (a lot of client and server
programming languages already supply that).
Furthermore, since RunRev is a perfect tool for rich-client creation,
I think a good, full-featured, official library, should be
definetively supplied.

--Alessandro



Our XML-RPC library is pretty easy to use. I do think someone is re- 
working SOAP library but I can't really tell if I've dreamed it or if  
this is actually real. :-)


and yes, libraries should be supplied.

Cheers
andre

PS: also for webservices there's REST.

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Re: Calling webservices from RR

Sorry Andre, you agree, RunRev can manage xml.

But as you know, soap is not easy to be coded, even if you have
powerful xml tools.
But since soap is becoming much famous, I think Runtime Revolution
company should provide a tested library (a lot of client and server
programming languages already supply that).
Furthermore, since RunRev is a perfect tool for rich-client creation,
I think a good, full-featured, official library, should be
definetively supplied.

--Alessandro



On 11/18/05, Andre Garzia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi There folks,
>
> welcome to the Revolution. As a matter of fact Rev can do
> webservices, any webservices you want as long as you can code. It's
> not as simply as some languages where you drop a WSDL file and all
> the methods are added. There are libraries for SOAP and XML-RPC. The
> SOAP library, I think its being redone at this moment, so the current
> one is deprecated, since I hate Soap I don't keep following it. The
> XML-RPC one (my choice for web services) work very fine. Before Rev
> sported a official XML-RPC library, I was able to code my own XML-RPC
> stack very easy. Revolution socket routines are very powerful, if you
> understand the string manipulation ones and the XML ones, then you
> can DIY anything that goes thru HTTP.
>
> If you want to use server side libraries instead of client ones, you
> must code your own, but they are easy to do, and if you also use
> libCGI they are even easier to do.
>
> You don't need altBrowser for that, but anyone working with Rev and
> web will find a very nice friend in both altBrowser and altSQLite. As
> it appears below, you're controlling both sides of the system, well,
> if you're making the client and the server in Rev, and your app won't
> need to interface with foreign clients then you can throw the
> standards to the wind and create your own web services spec as it
> suits you but keep in mind, both Soap and XML-RPC are just fancy XML,
> it's very easy to use them in Rev.
>
> Cheers
> andre
>
> PS: I'll try creating some demo stacks in the near future.
>
> On Nov 18, 2005, at 10:49 AM, Alessandro Manotti wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> > I had the same problem.
> > I search in internet, and everything I found was an unofficial stack
> > (it seems old...) to use soap.
> > So I reached this conclusion: I use RunRev power to manage xml (not
> > soap), then I create a jsp page (or javabean) in a Java server which
> > will act as a service broker. So the "hard job" will be done in the
> > server, then I send/receive data from/to RunRev in xml   :-)
> >
> > Obviously, you can use any web server-language you wish (php, zope,
> > python, perl, etc...).
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 11/18/05, Ton Kuypers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> Has anyone experience with using Windows Webservices from within
> >> Revolution applications and interacting with them?
> >> If not directly, maybe via altBrowser?
> >>
> >> Before I start testing en getting specs from the developers of these
> >> Webservices, it would be nice to know if I can use them...
> >>
> >> regards,
> >>
> >> Ton Kuypers
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Re: keycodes??


Sarah Reichelt wrote:

On 11/19/05, Charles Hartman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Sometimes I need to use rawKeyDown handlers, which receive a keyCode
parameter. Two questions: is there a table of these somewhere? and,
are these cross-platform? (If I have to use two tables, and wrap
everything in an "if platform" structure, I'm going to be very sad.)




Here is a link to a test stack I wrote to show you the key codes for
various keys: 

I have always assumed they are cross-platform and don't remember
hearing of any problems.



In my testing, I've seen platform differences in the keycodes of some 
numeric keys (possibly uppercase?) and I think also the 10-keypad keys 
(though I'm not certain about that one). I've never compared non-numeric 
keycodes across platforms so I can't speak to that.


Phil Davis



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Re: keycodes??

On 11/19/05, Charles Hartman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Sometimes I need to use rawKeyDown handlers, which receive a keyCode
> parameter. Two questions: is there a table of these somewhere? and,
> are these cross-platform? (If I have to use two tables, and wrap
> everything in an "if platform" structure, I'm going to be very sad.)
>

Here is a link to a test stack I wrote to show you the key codes for
various keys: 

I have always assumed they are cross-platform and don't remember
hearing of any problems.

Cheers,
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Re: Cmd-A doesn't work from Keyboard in Standalone

> > One way or another, we seem to have an OS 10.3 / 10.4 disparity,
> > don't we?
>
> Well, perhaps... it may also be a plugin or something that has a frontscript
> that's grabbing the request? Or did you already install a fresh build and
> test that?
>
>

I can confirm Charles' results with 10.4.3 & Revoloution - so it's not
just a DreamCard thing. If I suspend the development tools it works
fine, so it's either Rev itself or some plugin, that is intercepting
the Command-A. However it is a mystery why it does it in 10.4 and not
in 10.3

Sarah
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Re: Living together BUT not married: RR/MC and Linux


Mathewson wrote:

However, owing to problems associated with the Linux
version of RR (mainly with handling media files), I can see
a parting of the ways in my crystal ball if RR doesn't make
the great leap (well, its not going to be Linux - being the
amorphous 'thing' that it is).


I don't know RunRev's position, but for myself I see Linux as a 
challenging beast with two heads:  one head speaks loudly and generates 
a lot of buzz value, but the other head tells me its desktop users are 
relatively few and only a small percentage of those like paying for the 
software they use.


On my side, supporting Linux is a checkbox and an installer and I still 
don't bother.


On RunRev's side the committment is much more extensive, and it remains 
to be seen how directly profitable it is.


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Re: mTropolis refugees


Wolfgang Bereuter wrote:


On 18.11.2005, at 03:57, Richard Gaskin wrote:

I've long had an offer that if someone wants to pay my bills for a  
few months


Richard, you said allways *one* month, if I remember your offer(s)  well;)


True, but I'm pickier about fine-tuning and testing these days, and 
accordingly have become better at estimating. :)


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Re: Cmd-A doesn't work from Keyboard in Standalone

On 11/18/05 1:57 PM, "Charles Hartman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> On Nov 18, 2005, at 1:49 PM, Ken Ray wrote:
> 
>> Hmm... when I remove the script from the field (leaving only the
>> script in
>> the stack and the script of the button), typing Cmd-A produces the
>> answer
>> dialog regardless of whether the scrolling field has focus or
>> not... does
>> this work differently for you?
> 
> Absolutely. I checked it several times. If I remove the
> commandKeyDown handler from the script, then a cmd-A keypress when
> the field has the focus selects all the items in the field's
> scrolling list. It does not raise the button's 'answer' dialog.

> One way or another, we seem to have an OS 10.3 / 10.4 disparity,
> don't we?

Well, perhaps... it may also be a plugin or something that has a frontscript
that's grabbing the request? Or did you already install a fresh build and
test that?


Ken Ray
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Re: Cmd-A doesn't work from Keyboard in Standalone



On Nov 18, 2005, at 1:49 PM, Ken Ray wrote:

Hmm... when I remove the script from the field (leaving only the  
script in
the stack and the script of the button), typing Cmd-A produces the  
answer
dialog regardless of whether the scrolling field has focus or  
not... does

this work differently for you?


Absolutely. I checked it several times. If I remove the  
commandKeyDown handler from the script, then a cmd-A keypress when  
the field has the focus selects all the items in the field's  
scrolling list. It does not raise the button's 'answer' dialog.


So (to reiterate) the only way I've found to make cmd-A behave in the  
same way (NOT selecting all), no matter where the insertion point is,  
is to put redundant handlers in the script and field. I can't  
remember now why or how I decided that the one in the script had to  
be a rawKeyDown handler rather than commandKeyDown. The latter is  
easier to deal with, so I should go back and experiment with that  
some more.


One way or another, we seem to have an OS 10.3 / 10.4 disparity,  
don't we?


Charles Hartman

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Re: Living together BUT not married: RR/MC and Linux


Richmond.

On Nov 18, 2005, at 7:01 AM, Mathewson wrote:


Maybe it is time for RR/MC to contain an in-built media
player that 'travels with it' and standalones ? ? ?


I'm not at all sure I agree, even though the *outcome* you depict is  
desirable.


There are standards for media. I'd rather have Rev support those  
standards than roll its own built-in media player. Writing and  
supporting such a player would seem to me to be a significant  
undertaking and I have other, higher priorities in mind for what *I*  
would like Rev to spend time and resources doing.


A quick search reveals there are multiple apps that allow you to use  
Linux with QT. So is the real problem RR's support for QT or its less- 
than-stellar support (to date) for Linux? IOW, I'd hate to see RR  
spend resources building a media player if the real problem is that  
they need to extend their QT support somehow to embrace Linux.




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Re: MP3 sound files in Rev

Aloha, Tom from Hawaii, just across the Big Pond...we do a lot of  
things with sound here... questions:


On Nov 17, 2005, at 2:18 PM, Thomas McCarthy wrote:

Also keep in mind the bug where the player's sound drops out  
towards the end.


Do you know now many secs are dropped?

I think setting the player to visible solves it (move it off the  
viewable area to hide it)


Finally, you cannot record in mp3 or mp4 format--even though some  
interesting possiblities are presented to you when you look at the  
"Recording Formats" window. But you can record in wave format and  
then run a shell program to convert it to mp3.


what program? will it run on OSX? Right now options for conversion to  
mp3 seem to be shrinking (only my ignorance---lack of time to  
research...) and I'm still depending on Audion to take WMP or WAV  
into mp3... Peak only does AIFF...and Audion is "dead"  --  
unfortunately, gone the way of small software in the face of  
hegemony... in this case, that of iTunes.


Sivakatirswami




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Save on Close Stack in IDE

Is it just me that wishes the IDE did not ask everytime if I wanted  
to save a stack when I close it? I suppose there might be times when  
one would not want it saved... but  I don't think that time has ever  
come for me. Is there  way to make this go away? I don't see a pref  
for this, but I would vote for one. in virtually all my stacks I have  
a close stack handler which is simply "save this stack"


vote to have in the prefs:

[check box] autosave on close stack without asking...

Sivakatirswami

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Re: mTropolis Refugees



On 17.11.2005, at 09:27, John Tregea wrote:

What a fantastic product it was, and I still say "Damn Adobe and  
Quark" for

killing it between them...


agree 100% ;)

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Living together BUT not married: RR/MC and Linux

I, once upon a time, lived with a woman for a number of
years - and we never quite got round to committing
ourselves: and, surprise, surprise, we parted ways because
we never really learnt to work together.

Now I am married and everything is much smoother; even, if
one wants to bite near the bone; 'seamless'.


alright, alright, Richmond gets all metaphorical . . . 

However, owing to problems associated with the Linux
version of RR (mainly with handling media files), I can see
a parting of the ways in my crystal ball if RR doesn't make
the great leap (well, its not going to be Linux - being the
amorphous 'thing' that it is).

I honestly wonder if RR/MC's dependence on Quicktime is not
a burden on other platforms as well? It certainly stands in
the way of my other great fantasy - RR for RISC OS.

Maybe it is time for RR/MC to contain an in-built media
player that 'travels with it' and standalones ? ? ?

This would certainly make things considerably more
"seamless".

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Re: mTropolis refugees



On 18.11.2005, at 03:57, Richard Gaskin wrote:

I've long had an offer that if someone wants to pay my bills for a  
few months
Richard, you said allways *one* month, if I remember your offer(s)  
well;)


I'd be happy to crank one out.  But getting a few extra months free  
here will be difficult for quite a while --  I wonder if some of  
the other readers here might be sufficiently intrigued to hack one  
out, perhaps as an open source project?


Never enough IDEs for this capable engine, IMO. Always one more  
workflow preference to cater to.   It sure would be fun to add  
RevTropolis to the mix. :)
Would be realy nice, but i m waiting for that (revTropolis would be  
much better than ReviShell) so lang, that I cant belive, that it will  
be realized any more. So, unfortunatly omegaconcept´s Quickmedia/ 
Mistralmove is the only alternative for non scripters at the moment.


regards
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Re: Cmd-A doesn't work from Keyboard in Standalone

On 11/18/05 10:21 AM, "Charles Hartman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Here's another experiment: Make a simple stack containing a scrolling
> list field and a button called "myCmdAbtn". The script for that button:
> on mouseUp
>answer "myCmdAbtn got a press"
> end mouseUp
> The scrolling-list field's script:
> on commandKeyDown theKey
>switch (theKey)
>case "a"
>pressTheKey
>break
>end switch
> end commandKeyDown
> The stack script:
> on commandKeyDown theKey
>switch (theKey)
>case "a"
>send mouseUp to btn "myCmdAbtn"
>break
>end switch
> end commandKeyDown
> 
> On my system, pressing cmd-A when the insertion point is not inside
> the field produces the 'answer' dialog, but pressing cmd-A when the
> insertion point is inside the field selects all the items (default
> 'Choice 1', 'Choice 2', 'Choice 3') in the field.
> 
> This is why, to get a cmd-A from inside the field to "press the
> button", I found I had to put a rawKeyDown handler in the field's
> script, plus a (mostly redundant) commandKeyDown handler in the stack
> script in case the user happens to have clicked outside the field and
> so put the insertion point outside it.

Hmm... when I remove the script from the field (leaving only the script in
the stack and the script of the button), typing Cmd-A produces the answer
dialog regardless of whether the scrolling field has focus or not... does
this work differently for you?

> Am I missing something? Or is there a change between OS X versions?

Perhaps...

Ken Ray
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Re: Calling webservices from RR


Hi There folks,

welcome to the Revolution. As a matter of fact Rev can do  
webservices, any webservices you want as long as you can code. It's  
not as simply as some languages where you drop a WSDL file and all  
the methods are added. There are libraries for SOAP and XML-RPC. The  
SOAP library, I think its being redone at this moment, so the current  
one is deprecated, since I hate Soap I don't keep following it. The  
XML-RPC one (my choice for web services) work very fine. Before Rev  
sported a official XML-RPC library, I was able to code my own XML-RPC  
stack very easy. Revolution socket routines are very powerful, if you  
understand the string manipulation ones and the XML ones, then you  
can DIY anything that goes thru HTTP.


If you want to use server side libraries instead of client ones, you  
must code your own, but they are easy to do, and if you also use  
libCGI they are even easier to do.


You don't need altBrowser for that, but anyone working with Rev and  
web will find a very nice friend in both altBrowser and altSQLite. As  
it appears below, you're controlling both sides of the system, well,  
if you're making the client and the server in Rev, and your app won't  
need to interface with foreign clients then you can throw the  
standards to the wind and create your own web services spec as it  
suits you but keep in mind, both Soap and XML-RPC are just fancy XML,  
it's very easy to use them in Rev.


Cheers
andre

PS: I'll try creating some demo stacks in the near future.

On Nov 18, 2005, at 10:49 AM, Alessandro Manotti wrote:


Hi,
I had the same problem.
I search in internet, and everything I found was an unofficial stack
(it seems old...) to use soap.
So I reached this conclusion: I use RunRev power to manage xml (not
soap), then I create a jsp page (or javabean) in a Java server which
will act as a service broker. So the "hard job" will be done in the
server, then I send/receive data from/to RunRev in xml   :-)

Obviously, you can use any web server-language you wish (php, zope,
python, perl, etc...).






On 11/18/05, Ton Kuypers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hi,

Has anyone experience with using Windows Webservices from within
Revolution applications and interacting with them?
If not directly, maybe via altBrowser?

Before I start testing en getting specs from the developers of these
Webservices, it would be nice to know if I can use them...

regards,

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Re: disable command


Hi Nicolas,

I agree Jacque's answer except on one point :-)
I would prefer something like the following where the whole code is  
in the card's script and then easy to maintain:


on mouseUp
if "image" is in the target then
switch the short name of the target
case "Img1"
  -- do some stuff
  break
case "Img2"
  -- do another stuff
  break
  -- etc
end switch
  end if
  -
  put flushEvents("mouseUp") into temp
end mouseUp

The last line in the handler prevents any mouseUp being triggered  
while another mouseUp is running.


Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.

Le 18 nov. 05 à 18:16, J. Landman Gay a écrit :


Nicolas Cueto wrote:

An hour or two of debugging but...
My card has 16 images, each with
a mouseUp script. I only want one
script to run at a time. So, within
the mouseUp script of each image
I added calls to lock/unlock handlers
contained in the card script, i.e.,


I don't think I would do it this way. Instead, I would put a single  
"mouseup" handler in the card script and test for "the target".   
Name each image consistently, for example, "mazeImg1", "mazeImg2",  
etc. Then you can do something like this:


on mouseUp
 if the short name of the target contains "mazeImg"
 then send "doMazeStuff" to the target
 else pass mouseUp
end mouseUp

Each image would have a handler called "doMazeStuff" that controls  
its behavior -- just like what your mouseUp handlers are doing now.


If a user clicks on several images in order, their scripts will run  
sequentiallly, so that shouldn't be a problem, right?


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Re: One Laptop Per Child project


I myself could *really* use that sometimes.

And if they want crank-based software too, maybe I could help . . .


Charles Hartman



On Nov 18, 2005, at 1:06 PM, Judy Perry wrote:

Aren't there some crank-based ones too?  One or more cranks for 30  
min.
battery life I think...  I'll take a look to see if I didn't delete  
any of

the Newtontalk posts.


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Re: One Laptop Per Child project

Aren't there some crank-based ones too?  One or more cranks for 30 min.
battery life I think...  I'll take a look to see if I didn't delete any of
the Newtontalk posts.

Judy

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> THere was a project a few years ago that tried to use RISC OS (stalled because
> the ARM9 was 32 bit instead of 26/32bit) but then made a solar powered desktop
> ARM9 computer for Affrican countries (actually anywhere but htey concentrated
> on Africa)
>
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Re: One Laptop Per Child project

Yeah, I've seen it bandied about on the Newton list as well as on MacNN.
I think it's based on something like a 333 MHz G3 processor (or analog)...
Apple offered Free OS X but MIT declined.

The reviews I have read haven't been favorable... but I've only read the
reviews/comments.

Judy

On Fri, 18 Nov 2005, Thomas McCarthy wrote:

>
> Have you folks heard about this? Especially you ed people.
> http://laptop.media.mit.edu/laptop-contact.html
> Runs on Linux. Let's make some great freeware for it!

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Re: OT: AJAX 30-second tutorial


Good pointer, Chipp. Thanks.

AJAX is definitely simple in its essence. It's the widgety stuff that  
gets complex, but with several good to great AJAX libs already  
circulating, there's no need to roll your own with *that* complicated  
stuff.


Still scrubbin' (with appropriate apologies to Dave Winer and the  
Foaming Cleanser people)

Dan

On Nov 17, 2005, at 10:38 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:

I know, OT, but since we've been bandying about it for so long now  
I thought some of you might like to see this.


For those of you wondering what the heck it is:
http://rajshekhar.net/blog/archives/85-Rasmus-30-second-AJAX- 
Tutorial.html


-Chipp

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Re: Timeline and cudos since June?


Jim Ault wrote:

After all the volumes of mail and comments about the Rev team, I would like
to hear a few terse, concise, and pithy remarks from those in the know (I am
not one of them) that rate the progress since Monterey last June.  Many
commitments were made in good faith at the conference.  Hopefully most have
been met and more in the works.


One could break down the positions presented by RunRev at Monterey into 
two groups:


- an earnest interest in fixing bugs
- some proprietary feature proposals presented with the understanding
  that they were under non-disclosure.

Version 2.6.1 demonstrates a strong effort on the former, with several 
dozen bugs squashed (70+?) and a couple of nifty "feature completion" 
enhancements.


The latter cannot be commented on here, of course.

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Re: Problem with group script


Thomas Fischer wrote:

Hello,

I am working on the script of a group.
Every time I choose "Edit Group" I get the message
"The object you are editing appears to have been removed or deleted..."
with the option to copy the text or to close anyway.
Fortunately the script isn't really gone, but it is awkward nevertheless (e.g. 
for copying names of buttons into the script).
I also realized that when I edit a group there seems to be no way to edit the 
script (Object Script is greyed).
Is this a regular behaviour?


Rev (and MetaCard before it) has to do some convolutions to edit groups. 
To edit a group, Rev makes a sort of "fake card" and puts only the group 
objects on it. The group itself is temporarily suspended and doesn't 
exist quite the way it did before. Since the objects have been "moved" 
to an editing area, the group isn't really there and there is no group 
script. You have to leave editing mode to get the group object back in 
order to work with the script.


MetaCard was marginally less opaque about this in its IDE. For example, 
if you try to edit a card script while you are in group edit mode, MC 
gives you an empty script editor with nothing in it except a commented 
line that says something like "This is not really the card script! Your 
changes will not be saved!" That's because the so-called "card" was a 
temporary construct created exclusively for the purpose of editing group 
objects. Once you leave group edit mode, the temporary "card" goes away 
and your real ones come back.


Think of group editing as a brief excursion to another place, a 
temporary editing arena that can only access the objects that are 
contained within the group itself. To get back to your regular stack and 
object hierarchy, leave edit mode.


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Re: disable command


Nicolas Cueto wrote:

An hour or two of debugging but...

My card has 16 images, each with
a mouseUp script. I only want one
script to run at a time. So, within
the mouseUp script of each image
I added calls to lock/unlock handlers
contained in the card script, i.e.,


I don't think I would do it this way. Instead, I would put a single 
"mouseup" handler in the card script and test for "the target".  Name 
each image consistently, for example, "mazeImg1", "mazeImg2", etc. Then 
you can do something like this:


on mouseUp
 if the short name of the target contains "mazeImg"
 then send "doMazeStuff" to the target
 else pass mouseUp
end mouseUp

Each image would have a handler called "doMazeStuff" that controls its 
behavior -- just like what your mouseUp handlers are doing now.


If a user clicks on several images in order, their scripts will run 
sequentiallly, so that shouldn't be a problem, right?


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keycodes??

Sometimes I need to use rawKeyDown handlers, which receive a keyCode  
parameter. Two questions: is there a table of these somewhere? and,  
are these cross-platform? (If I have to use two tables, and wrap  
everything in an "if platform" structure, I'm going to be very sad.)


Charles Hartman

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Re: Cmd-A doesn't work from Keyboard in Standalone

No, that isn't what I get in fact! How curious. I think I constructed  
the test stack exactly as you describe. (I copied-and-pasted your  
field and card scripts.) When I put the insertion point in field 1  
and press cmd-A I get the "DOWN…" and "UP…" outputs, but I do not get  
either the "FIELD…" or the "CARD…" outputs. When I put the insertion  
point outside the fields, cmd-A yields the "CARD…" result (and a  
system alert sound--why?). When I put the insertion point inside  
field 2, all the text in field 2 gets selected.


This is with OS 10.4.3, Rev (Dreamcard) 2.6.1 build 152.

Here's another experiment: Make a simple stack containing a scrolling  
list field and a button called "myCmdAbtn". The script for that button:

on mouseUp
answer "myCmdAbtn got a press"
end mouseUp
The scrolling-list field's script:
on commandKeyDown theKey
switch (theKey)
case "a"
pressTheKey
break
end switch
end commandKeyDown
The stack script:
on commandKeyDown theKey
switch (theKey)
case "a"
send mouseUp to btn "myCmdAbtn"
break
end switch
end commandKeyDown

On my system, pressing cmd-A when the insertion point is not inside  
the field produces the 'answer' dialog, but pressing cmd-A when the  
insertion point is inside the field selects all the items (default  
'Choice 1', 'Choice 2', 'Choice 3') in the field.


This is why, to get a cmd-A from inside the field to "press the  
button", I found I had to put a rawKeyDown handler in the field's  
script, plus a (mostly redundant) commandKeyDown handler in the stack  
script in case the user happens to have clicked outside the field and  
so put the insertion point outside it.


Am I missing something? Or is there a change between OS X versions?  
Or what?


Confused,
Charles


On Nov 18, 2005, at 10:29 AM, Ken Ray wrote:

On 11/18/05 7:57 AM, "Charles Hartman"  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



So commandKeyDown works outside the field, but only rawKeyDown works
inside the field.

I'd really like to know if I've got something wrong about this.


Charles, that's not what I'm getting... I created a simple stack  
with two

fields - the script of field 1 is:

on rawKeyDown pKey
  put the commandKey into tCmd
  put "DOWN:" && pKey && tCmd & cr after fld 2
  pass rawKeyDown
end rawKeyDown

on rawKeyUp pKey
  put the commandKey into tCmd
  put "UP:" && pKey && tCmd & cr after fld 2
  pass rawKeyUp
end rawKeyUp

on commandKeyDown pKey
  put "FIELD Command Down:" && pKey & cr after fld 2
  pass commandKeyDown
end commandKeyDown

And the script of the card was:

on commandKeyDown pKey
  put "CARD Command Down:" && pKey & cr after fld 2
  pass commandKeyDown
end commandKeyDown

I put the insertion point into the first field and typed "Command- 
A" and got

this in field 2:

DOWN: 97 down
FIELD Command Down: a
CARD Command Down: a
UP: 97 down

This was in Mac OS X 10.3.9; haven't tested it in Windows... are  
you getting

the same thing on your end?

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
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RE: Timeline and cudos since June?

>Although that would mean i'd have to stop
>complaining ;)

>cheers
>Xavier

I think perhaps your complaints actually produce results...

So please don't stop!

More cheers,

Jonathan

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Re: disable command


Hi Nicolas


An hour or two of debugging but...

My card has 16 images, each with
a mouseUp script. I only want one
script to run at a time. So, within
the mouseUp script of each image
I added calls to lock/unlock handlers
contained in the card script, i.e.,


Maybe using a global flag would help?
If yes this would require only a "mouseup" handler :-)


 START OF SCRIPT
-- image's script
on mouseUp
...
end unlockMaze
= END OF SCRIPT
However, even though I thought
this'd disable all the images, they
remain clickable.

My guess? Because I'm disabling
all 16 images, which includes the image
that should be running, this is somehow
interfering.


Strange but possible...


If so, what's a way of preventing the
mouseUp scripts of the other images
from being activated?


Try this:

-- image's script
on mouseup
  global prevent_click
  ## should be set to "false" at startup
  if prevent_click = false then
put true into prevent_click
## prevent click :-)
do some other stuff
## after some other stuff has finished
put false into prevent_click
  end if
end mouseup

No need to disable the images.

Hope that helps.


Thanks.


Regards

Klaus Major
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Re: Timeline and cudos since June?

Jim,

My favorite subject ;)

I think there's been a real improvement in Rev.

Bugzillas have been aknowledged significantly and best of all fixed in the 
best cases.
Although since 2.6.1's release this seems to have stopped - Mark surely is 
taking a well
deserved rest i hope ;)

Now, the 2.6.1 release really deserves praise - since i first started with 
Rev, it has been
a long wait to see 1) bugzilla support, 2) the fixes... And 2.6.1 finally 
delivered those...

The bad news:

Rev on windows is still far far from perfect - but it works (but not 
without as Richard said
"requiring explicit effort from the developer" - and then there
is clipboard, menu hotkeys, htmltext translation issues which 
are a patience test each time they fail to work as graphic 
applications do since 1984 or since html exists.

And where is color cursor support? Im still amazed that doesn't 
come for this so very capable "multimedia application"... 

These last issues and some other issues persist to cause issues for
some 5 years (one recently mentioned with editing groups...)

But i renewed my license a 2nd time because the update was worth it -
finally, for once... They sure did a good job and i encourage them 
to continue the effort! Although that would mean i'd have to stop
complaining ;)

cheers
Xavier

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 18/11/2005 10:03:58:

> Hi, everyone,
> 
> After all the volumes of mail and comments about the Rev team, I would 
like
> to hear a few terse, concise, and pithy remarks from those in the know 
(I am
> not one of them) that rate the progress since Monterey last June.  Many
> commitments were made in good faith at the conference.  Hopefully most 
have
> been met and more in the works.
> 
> I am very happy with 2.6.4 and Tiger on the Mac, but do not push any
> envelopes.  My take is that the Rev team has really made a positive
> difference in the last several months, compared to early Spring.
> 
> My hope is that there has been enough market response to encourage them 
to
> continue the struggle.
> 
> ??Dan, Jerry, Dar, Chipp, JLGay, Sarah, Richard, Scott, X, and so many
> more...
> 
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Re: Cmd-A doesn't work from Keyboard in Standalone

On 11/18/05 7:57 AM, "Charles Hartman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> So commandKeyDown works outside the field, but only rawKeyDown works
> inside the field.
> 
> I'd really like to know if I've got something wrong about this.

Charles, that's not what I'm getting... I created a simple stack with two
fields - the script of field 1 is:

on rawKeyDown pKey
  put the commandKey into tCmd
  put "DOWN:" && pKey && tCmd & cr after fld 2
  pass rawKeyDown
end rawKeyDown

on rawKeyUp pKey
  put the commandKey into tCmd
  put "UP:" && pKey && tCmd & cr after fld 2
  pass rawKeyUp
end rawKeyUp

on commandKeyDown pKey
  put "FIELD Command Down:" && pKey & cr after fld 2
  pass commandKeyDown
end commandKeyDown

And the script of the card was:

on commandKeyDown pKey
  put "CARD Command Down:" && pKey & cr after fld 2
  pass commandKeyDown
end commandKeyDown

I put the insertion point into the first field and typed "Command-A" and got
this in field 2:

DOWN: 97 down
FIELD Command Down: a
CARD Command Down: a
UP: 97 down

This was in Mac OS X 10.3.9; haven't tested it in Windows... are you getting
the same thing on your end?

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
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disable command

An hour or two of debugging but...

My card has 16 images, each with
a mouseUp script. I only want one
script to run at a time. So, within
the mouseUp script of each image
I added calls to lock/unlock handlers
contained in the card script, i.e.,

 START OF SCRIPT
-- image's script
on mouseUp
  lockMaze
  -- do some other stuff
  unlockMaze
end mouseUp

-- card's script
on lockMaze
  repeat with i = 1 to 16
disable image i
   end repeat
end lockMaze

-- also in card's script
on unlockMaze
   repeat with i = 1 to 16
 enable image i
   end repeat
end unlockMaze
= END OF SCRIPT

However, even though I thought
this'd disable all the images, they
remain clickable.

My guess? Because I'm disabling
all 16 images, which includes the image
that should be running, this is somehow
interfering.

If so, what's a way of preventing the
mouseUp scripts of the other images
from being activated?

Thanks.

--
Nicolas Cueto
can still click on the other images'
During testing,
I was surprised to discover that,
after clicking on one image, I could
still click on other images. So, I
added a Showing on a card are 16 images,
each with a mouseUp script. And
even though
prevent more than one image's mouseUp
handler while another's is still running,
the image that is running while another's
is already
prevent the other images from
running when one has been clicked,
IWhen
one image has been clicked and its
mouseUp handler is in process, to
prevent other
- Original Message - 
From: "Malte Brill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 4:54 PM
Subject: Re: maze wall algorithm


> Hi Nicolas,
>
>  >If given a maze in the form of a
>  >grid such as this...
>
> Adding to Scotts suggestions I have a few questions.
>
> Will the maze be hard coded or does it change randomly?
> Do you want to move through the grid cell by cell (to the center of
> each cell) or do you want to be able to move to any possible loc in
the
> cell?
> Is the object that moves through the maze steered by the user (hero)
or
> by script (enemy)?
>
> All the best,
>
> Malte
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Re: One Laptop Per Child project

Has been presented this week again at the Tunisian United Nations e- 
Information Worldwide Conference (sorry for the french spoken issue) :





Best,

Le 18 nov. 05 à 15:14, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit :


Quoting Thomas McCarthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:



Have you folks heard about this? Especially you ed people.
http://laptop.media.mit.edu/laptop-contact.html
Runs on Linux. Let's make some great freeware for it!




THere was a project a few years ago that tried to use RISC OS  
(stalled because
the ARM9 was 32 bit instead of 26/32bit) but then made a solar  
powered desktop
ARM9 computer for Affrican countries (actually anywhere but htey  
concentrated

on Africa)

http://www.explan.co.uk/solo/index.shtml

Cheers
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Re: One Laptop Per Child project


Quoting Thomas McCarthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:



Have you folks heard about this? Especially you ed people.
http://laptop.media.mit.edu/laptop-contact.html
Runs on Linux. Let's make some great freeware for it!




THere was a project a few years ago that tried to use RISC OS (stalled because
the ARM9 was 32 bit instead of 26/32bit) but then made a solar powered desktop
ARM9 computer for Affrican countries (actually anywhere but htey concentrated
on Africa)

http://www.explan.co.uk/solo/index.shtml

Cheers
Bob

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Re: Problem with group script

Hi Thomas

Unfortunately yes, it's is normal behavior i've complained about for 5 
years... 
Anyone else annoyed by it? Sure... The reason it's not fixed is probably 
highly
technical but i have hope they find a way one day...

The trick is to create your group and:
- use the context menu to paste into the group for single objects
- edit the group to paste multiple objects - or they will not appear in 
the right order (another issue)
- set the loclocation to true when necessary or your group may more around 
if the controls inside move too...

It's important to lock the location of the group if you do not have 
controls that delimit the bounds of the group's rect.

If you have to edit a group and you have out-of-that-group scripts (even 
the group's script), just keep the mouse
out of those windows or you'll get that error message...

to edit controls or the group:

- see the button in the revmenubar called "group select"... Very very 
useful... It allows to select either the group or
it's components. 
- Use the "select group" (the group is selected as one) when you need to 
edit the group's rect or script or props.
- Use the other method for the rest. That way you never get that message - 
missing controls... 

Once you grasp how these "select group" modes work, you'll love it...

Note that when you edit the group, you can't do a lot of things, so it's 
best to stay out of that mode unless really
necessary (like editing groups in groups)... 

cheers
Xavier

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 18/11/2005 14:47:23:

> Hello,
> 
> I am working on the script of a group.
> Every time I choose "Edit Group" I get the message
> "The object you are editing appears to have been removed or deleted..."
> with the option to copy the text or to close anyway.
> Fortunately the script isn't really gone, but it is awkward 
> nevertheless (e.g. for copying names of buttons into the script).
> I also realized that when I edit a group there seems to be no way to
> edit the script (Object Script is greyed).
> Is this a regular behaviour?
> 
> Thomas
> 
> 
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Re: Cmd-A doesn't work from Keyboard in Standalone



On Nov 18, 2005, at 1:22 AM, Sivakatirswami wrote:

WEll you can't block it in the IDE very easily.. but I found that  
if I had  just this:


on commandKeyDown theKey
  switch theKey
  case "a"
if the selectedField is not empty then
  select text of the selectedField
end if
break
  end switch
end commandKeyDown

then cmd-x,c,v (copy, cut, paste) were all blocked...


But this handler may not be doing anything, if it is in the script  
for a field, because it duplicates the default behavior.


I think I have figured out for sure (?) that a commandKeyDown handler  
in the script for a field will not capture, block, or divert a cmd-A  
pressed when that field has the focus. I tried this, so as to make  
cmd-A simulate a particular button-press in a context where selecting  
all the items in a field did not make any sense.


The only way I could find is to use a rawKeyDown handler, with a test  
inside it for "if the commandKey is down", and a switch inside that.  
This means that if cmd-A is supposed to do the same thing when the  
focus is outside the field, I also need a commandKeyDown handler one  
level up, in the card or stack script, which does the same thing.


So commandKeyDown works outside the field, but only rawKeyDown works  
inside the field.


I'd really like to know if I've got something wrong about this.

Charles Hartman

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Problem with group script

Hello,

I am working on the script of a group.
Every time I choose "Edit Group" I get the message
"The object you are editing appears to have been removed or deleted..."
with the option to copy the text or to close anyway.
Fortunately the script isn't really gone, but it is awkward nevertheless (e.g. 
for copying names of buttons into the script).
I also realized that when I edit a group there seems to be no way to edit the 
script (Object Script is greyed).
Is this a regular behaviour?

Thomas


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Re: Calling webservices from RR

Hi,
I had the same problem.
I search in internet, and everything I found was an unofficial stack
(it seems old...) to use soap.
So I reached this conclusion: I use RunRev power to manage xml (not
soap), then I create a jsp page (or javabean) in a Java server which
will act as a service broker. So the "hard job" will be done in the
server, then I send/receive data from/to RunRev in xml   :-)

Obviously, you can use any web server-language you wish (php, zope,
python, perl, etc...).






On 11/18/05, Ton Kuypers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Has anyone experience with using Windows Webservices from within
> Revolution applications and interacting with them?
> If not directly, maybe via altBrowser?
>
> Before I start testing en getting specs from the developers of these
> Webservices, it would be nice to know if I can use them...
>
> regards,
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Calling webservices from RR


Hi,

Has anyone experience with using Windows Webservices from within  
Revolution applications and interacting with them?

If not directly, maybe via altBrowser?

Before I start testing en getting specs from the developers of these  
Webservices, it would be nice to know if I can use them...


regards,

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Re: The Disappearing Desktop - It's Real This Time

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 18/11/2005 12:06:40:

> On 17 Nov 2005, at 00:52, Alex Tweedly wrote:
> 
> > I have good confidence in the sanctity of my laptop, so I'm happy 
> > to use it, even over public wifi access, because all the traffic is 
> > ssh-secured end-to-end. But using a web cafe, or kiosk, public 
> > Internet access at a library, etc. all put me at risk; the 
> > encryption happens *after* the data is out of my control. I can't 
> > be sure there isn't a keylogger or similar there grabbing my password.
> >
> > [ I'm hoping someone will describe a secure way around this problem. ]
> 

Alex,

keyloggers can be fooled easily via copy-paste, or drag and drop... Use 
the keycaps to click-type your pword for example... There's plenty of 
ways ;) 

cheers
Xavier


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Have you folks heard about this? Especially you ed people.
http://laptop.media.mit.edu/laptop-contact.html
Runs on Linux. Let's make some great freeware for it!

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Re: The Disappearing Desktop - It's Real This Time


On 17 Nov 2005, at 04:46, Dan Shafer wrote:

Pricing models will change. We'll see pay-per-use, pay-per-month,  
pay-per-file, pay-per-K and other similar models. When it's not  
necessary for the manufacturer to package, distribute, sell, track,  
upgrade and otherwise deal with thousands and thousands of copies  
of the software out there -- and when piracy becomes all but  
extinct thanks to the new models -- software prices will dive while  
profit margins remain high.


Can't help myself - irresistibly prodded.

This may get a little philosophical - so I keep it short.  
Centralisation of data is not only dangerous socially, but  
economically. We have game companies to thank for ubiquitous,  
powerful desktop machines. Natural business means diversity of  
processing and always processing data at the lowest possible level -  
higher levels of abstraction are necessary, but always slower and  
more expensive. Diversity of processing is not only more efficient,  
it drives down prices and provides a firm base for evolutionary  
growth of new technologies.


We now have dirt cheap ubiquitous processing and high capacity local  
storage - these things will keep being used, experimented with and  
many new application developed to make use of their capacity. The  
question is only how do the data and GUI processes that run on this  
cheap end user hardware fit more productively into a connected world.


Dan - your focus on thin clients over the other much more important  
issues regarding AJAX technology and web services is in my opinion a  
distraction. Make use of the local processor. Make use of the hard  
disk. Figure out how to author and make use of web services. Sort  
security. Sort data synchronisation to online storage.



On Nov 16, 2005, at 9:43 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote:

I don't believe that a "Web-Photoshop" would need to satisfy the  
digital photography professional (mapping professionals aren't  
using Google Maps !). I think to get a commercially successful web- 
based photography editing app you need to satisfy 75% of the  
population - who start out with 3-6M-pixel photos compressed down  
to 1/2Mb JPEGs, not the pros using 32Mb RAW images,.



Is one implication that, in the brave new web-app world,  
professional-grade applications -- because nobody but professionals  
will be using them -- will get really, really expensive? Yes, many  
are now; but many aren't.


There was a great project - French company that used server side  
image files which you could edit client side only sending the  
compressed changes back and forth - effectively allowing the  
manipulation of screen resolution images on your client machine to  
apply the right changes to the larger online image - swallowed by the  
same sort of merger process that killed mTroplois I believe.


A number of people are interested in the same for Video - edit your  
local low resolution copy on your laptop, have these changes render  
your videos on the server without taking up your own CPU cycles. Also  
some very mature open source projects now in the area of network  
processing - particularly 3D rendering. Summary - expect to slowly  
see a number of quality media related web services allowing you to  
process your heavy media files without requiring a G5.


But do not expect any of these interfaces to be in Internet Explorer  
- or anything resembling it. They will be made in something  
resembling Revolution. They almost certainly would be if Rev was open  
source - they will probably be made in something else if we and  
RunRev don't get where this is going.


Question: if you wanted to knock together a quick cross platform  
photo-editing application which used web services to upload the  
images and metadata to Flicr for instance - what language would you use?


Question: if you wanted to knock together a quick cross platform  
video-editting application for laptop journalists which used web  
services to upload the video clips and metadata to a mobile phone  
service for instance - what language would you use?


I for one would not use a browser - Java or no Java. If this changes  
- then it will be because the browser has become like Revolution and  
we will all be switching platform.

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Re: The Disappearing Desktop - It's Real This Time


On 17 Nov 2005, at 00:52, Alex Tweedly wrote:

I have good confidence in the sanctity of my laptop, so I'm happy  
to use it, even over public wifi access, because all the traffic is  
ssh-secured end-to-end. But using a web cafe, or kiosk, public  
Internet access at a library, etc. all put me at risk; the  
encryption happens *after* the data is out of my control. I can't  
be sure there isn't a keylogger or similar there grabbing my password.


[ I'm hoping someone will describe a secure way around this problem. ]


In my research I've only come across one reasonably good solution:

1) HTTPS connection to web site.
2) Open source Java applet with embedded minimal PGP
3) Enter uid and password to regenerate your private and public  
PGP keys on local machine
4) Use PGP encryption for communication and / or secure  
temporary local data storage.

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Re: OT: AJAX 30-second tutorial

OT but not tOTally...

Since this is part of the subject, im cooking some design architectures to 
make a kind of RevAjax
with TAOO - but only in rev and for rev ;)

And how surprised i was this morning when i clicked on Rev's AltBuddy 
stack link hoping it would ask
me to save it and instead it opened as a stack right away ;)) That was a 
welcome sign ;)

cheers
Xavier

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> Dear Chipp,
> 
> Thanks. As always in programming tasks, AJAX will have to do with 
> both great and well designed proposals (like the one you are relaying 
> to us) one side and low and sad level coding on second side.
> 
> In about well designed, web application's front-ends, CSS2+AJAX+Blog 
> tools are probably the most usefull we can get today. In about 
> application's servers, Rev is certainly lots more powerfull and clean 
> than any UML + Java's based Tomcat's or JBoss solution...
> 
> About the back-ends ? PostgreSQL, QTSS, MapServer...
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Le 18 nov. 05 à 07:38, Chipp Walters a écrit :
> 
> > I know, OT, but since we've been bandying about it for so long now 
> > I thought some of you might like to see this.
> >
> > For those of you wondering what the heck it is:
> > http://rajshekhar.net/blog/archives/85-Rasmus-30-second-AJAX- 
> > Tutorial.html
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> > -Chipp
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RE: mTropolis Refugees



On 18 Nov 2005, at 6:03 am, Jesse Sng wrote:


we were looking at using the
brand new (then) mTropolis 2.0. Anyway we got burnt by that and it
took me many years before I got rid of the mTropolis box that was
sitting on my shelf.


Mine's still there! Funky chimney top hat and all.  Still got the 
goldfish tutorial, too.  And the bile still rises when I think about 
how I paid for it just before it was killed.


I had no idea anyone out there still uses it.  Has its cross platform 
performance been limited by newer versions of Windows?


I was also intrigued by the account of the mTropolis metaphor.  My 
recollection is that it was sold as being free of metaphors and this 
was a *Good Thing*.  As it happens, I am not convinced by that 
argument.  I could go on about why, but it would probably be too 
boring.


I switched to Hyperscript (before Transcript), and struggled for a 
short while before there was a 'ker-ching' moment.  I think this is 
when the metaphor becomes clear in your mind.  It doesn't mean you can 
make fast efficient code, or realise the full potential of the tool, 
but you can make an outline plan of possible alternative routes to 
achieve your goal.  Also, extensions to the metaphor have a place to be 
put.  So, for example when you realise the difference between groups 
and backgrounds, you get a happy feeling.


Oh dear, I did go on about metaphors.  Sorry, didn't mean to.

I have positive memories of mTroplolis, and look forward to 
contributions from top hatters, converts or no.



Best Wishes,

David Glasgow

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Re: OT: AJAX 30-second tutorial


Dear Chipp,

Thanks. As always in programming tasks, AJAX will have to do with  
both great and well designed proposals (like the one you are relaying  
to us) one side and low and sad level coding on second side.


In about well designed, web application's front-ends, CSS2+AJAX+Blog  
tools are probably the most usefull we can get today. In about  
application's servers, Rev is certainly lots more powerfull and clean  
than any UML + Java's based Tomcat's or JBoss solution...


About the back-ends ? PostgreSQL, QTSS, MapServer...

Best Regards,

Le 18 nov. 05 à 07:38, Chipp Walters a écrit :

I know, OT, but since we've been bandying about it for so long now  
I thought some of you might like to see this.


For those of you wondering what the heck it is:
http://rajshekhar.net/blog/archives/85-Rasmus-30-second-AJAX- 
Tutorial.html


-Chipp

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Re: [ANN] F-ab is now available for downloading


Hi Jiro,


Herrn Klaus,


Actually it is "Herr Klaus" or even better and complete "Guten Tag,  
Herr Klaus" :-)



Could you please tell us a bit more about how you did this?
I am sure most of the listmembers would love to know a bit about the
technical background.

And most of us are VERY interested in displaying Flash content inside
Rev without altBrowser and/or Quicktime! ;-)


The Flash Player.plugin, which is located in /Library/Internet Plug- 
Ins/, is directly loaded in the external. WebKit is not used in F- 
ab. Flash movies are displayed in the custom control. Other main  
functions of F-ab are written in Java including HTTP connection and  
DB connection. F-ab is using Derby(http://db.apache.org/derby/) as  
the internal database.


Aha!
So the Flash browser-plugin is used directly. Very interesting!

This raises the possibility of a Rev "play Flash" external :-)
Or even the same thing WITHOUT an external.


We have a plan to port this product to Windows.


Maybe this can be done by using the wonderful "altBrowser" plugin  
from Altuit?

 http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/altBrowserCover/default.htm


Thanks for your information. altBrowser is great!


Glad i could help.


Best regards,
Jiro Harada


Sayonara

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Re: Downloading mystery



On 18 Nov 2005, at 01:53, Bruce A. Pokras wrote:


Thanks, Dave, for the mauling. It was well deserved. However, I  
have been trying to get this to work over a period of several  
weeks. This was not a "try once and cry for help." This has been a  
long, drawn out bit of frustration. A couple of times I did throw  
"the result" into the script, but it was very un-enlightening. I  
also alternated using "revGoURL" with the same URL, and bingo, the  
patent showed up in Netscape.  So there were no issues with the EPO  
server at the times I was trying.


With that introduction, the "Result #1" (see below) shows the  
single word "error". Not very enlightening! I am using the  
following handler, if anyone wishes to try it:


on mouseUp
  libUrlSetSSLVerification false
  put "https://publications.european-patent-office.org/ 
PublicationServer/getpdf.jsp?cc=EP&pn=1502502&ki=A1" into theURL

  put URL theURL into holdData
  put the result into theRes
  if theRes <> empty then
answer "Result #1: " & theRes
  else
put holdData into URL "binfile:1502503.pdf"
put the result into theRes2
if theRes2 <> empty then
  answer "Result #2: " & theRes2
end if
  end if
end mouseUp


Hi Bruce

The above worked here the first time I tried, and I got a nice patent  
application saved to a pdf file.


However, on subsequent attempts I had mixed results, the main problem  
being either a socket timeout or "redirection failed" result.   
Logging the data (libUrlSetLogField), I see that the redirecton  
failures were also socket timeouts.


Out of a browser, it worked initially, but at a later try I was  
getting redirected to a Search page. Is this in fact a "pay for"  
service, and they only let you download a few times for free?


The first response from the url request is a "redirection" response  
(302). By default, libUrl will try to redirect the request using the  
"Location" header in the response. However, I also saw that the first  
response had a Set-Cookie header like this:


Set-Cookie: JSESSIONID=8A03B947A0B4703A14FA776E904EE40F; Path=/ 
PublicationServer


I'm wondering if things would go better if  the cookie were returned  
in the redirected request. To do this, you'd need to handle the  
redirect yourself (libUrlFollowHttpRedirects false), get the remote  
server's headers (libUrlLastRHHeaders()), and extract the "Location:"  
and "Set-Cookie" headers. Then set the Cookie to return (set the  
httpHeaders to "Cookie: ") and then get the url extracted  
from the Location header.


I'm not sure whether you just return the Cookie as you received it  
(Cookie: JSESSIONID=8A03B947A0B4703A14FA776E904EE40F; Path=/ 
PublicationServer), or you have to set it differently. (perhaps  
someone can help.)


Whatever, it seems like the service has some kind of session control  
on it. Although whether this is a cause of the frequent timeouts is  
hard to say. (increasing the socketTimeoutInterval to 6 didn't  
seem to have any effect.) Do you have any other information about how  
the service works?


Cheers
Dave


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Re: dictionary gibberish


Hi Chris,

Just a temporary problem: What you see into brackets are xml tags  
that normally are replaced by their value.


Le 18 nov. 05 à 07:51, Dick Kriesel a écrit :

Somehow the dictionary's behavior changed so that it showed  
gibberish for

every term I tried.  Here's an example for the term "put."


put [[sMergeData[type] ]]  ([[sMergeData[library] ]])
[[sMergeData[synonym] ]]
Platform support: [[sMergeData[platforms] ]]
Introduced in version [[sMergeData[introduced] ]]
[[sMergeData[summary] ]]

[[sMergeData[syntax] ]]
[[sMergeData[example] ]]

See also: [[sMergeData[seealso] ]]

Description[[sMergeData[description] ]]


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Timeline and cudos since June?

Hi, everyone,

After all the volumes of mail and comments about the Rev team, I would like
to hear a few terse, concise, and pithy remarks from those in the know (I am
not one of them) that rate the progress since Monterey last June.  Many
commitments were made in good faith at the conference.  Hopefully most have
been met and more in the works.

I am very happy with 2.6.4 and Tiger on the Mac, but do not push any
envelopes.  My take is that the Rev team has really made a positive
difference in the last several months, compared to early Spring.

My hope is that there has been enough market response to encourage them to
continue the struggle.

??Dan, Jerry, Dar, Chipp, JLGay, Sarah, Richard, Scott, X, and so many
more...

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


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Re: frappr map


Sarah Reichelt wrote:

http://www.frappr.com/runtimerevolution




And I just found that you can adjust your location directly. Outside
the US (or at least in Australia), you have to specify your city and
the marker is placed for you at some central location. If you then go
to your profile, you get the option of moving your marker around the
map. So if your city is not specified, choose a close one, and move
the marker afterwards.

Cheers,
Sarah


I thought there had to be a way, thanks for pointing that out Sarah.

Frappr had located me by default in the Cambridge University Computing 
Department, which was flattering but I felt a bit out of my depth there 
to be honest.

Now I've moved a mile to the east into more appropriate premises.

Martin
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