Re: Documentation errors - bitNot

[Mark Wieder]

Sean-

Thursday, November 24, 2005, 5:37:57 PM, you wrote:

> bitNot 14   -- returns 4294967280  (which is -15)

Hmmm. I get 4294967281.

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Re: This is what REALLY SUCKS about RunRev! - was Menubar Help

[Geoff Canyon]

It's entirely possible to have a group that is not on any card. To do  
this, simply create a new stack, add a button, group the button, and  
type this in the message box:


remove group 1 from this card

It's a limitation in the app browser, certainly, that the group in  
question won't show up in the stack. It shouldn't show up under the  
card, because it's not on the card.


I'm not sure I'm following what you're describing after that part,  
but it sounds like you placed the group, which would make it show up  
in the app browser, allowing you to delete it.


Again, I'm not sure I'm following, but it sounds like getting rid of  
this extraneous group fixed your menu bar problems. If so, great.


So, there is definitely a limitation in the app browser, but not a  
bug. It sounds like a useful feature request to backgrounds that  
aren't in any card under the stack.


How the group got there in the first place remains a question for  
investigation. You can certainly submit it as a bug. If it's not  
reproducible it'll be difficult to confirm, and harder to fix  
(assuming it is in fact a bug).


gc



On Nov 24, 2005, at 3:27 PM, David Burgun wrote:

There was a Group in the Place Groups Sub-Menu that was not listed  
in any stack/card in the apps browser. When selected it placed a  
BLOB in the stack window that could not be selected, however, when  
selected from the apps browser window, it could be deleted. Once  
this was done it worked.


How can this not be a bug in RunRev?


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Re: How to show up a print dialog box

[J. Landman Gay]

On 11/24/05 5:10 PM, Jason - Polydiam.com wrote:


By the way I'm using windows XP, I just can't get the print dialog box to
come up with these commands.

Anyone know any other commands I could use to print the images into a
specified size and show up the printer dialog box?



I’m trying to print an image to a specified paper size; 8”x10”.
  


set the printRotated to true

  open printing with dialog
  
  print stack "Target" into 15,15,400,400

  close printing 


but it does not show the print dialog box (so a user can change the paper
size)
anyone know how to get it to show the print dialog box and still print into
the specified coordinates on the paper (and landscape)


Try "answer printer".

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Re: About bugs (was This is what REALLY SUCKS about RunRev! - was Menubar Help)

[J. Landman Gay]

On 11/24/05 5:51 PM, David Burgun wrote:

Hi Eric,

I always do try to reproduce the problem etc. In this case though it 
really is a bug, if not in the menu handling, then else where in RunRev.


There was a Group in the Place Groups Sub-Menu that was not listed in 
any stack/card in the apps browser. When selected it placed a BLOB in 
the stack window that could not be selected, however, when selected from 
the apps browser window, it could be deleted. Once this was done it worked.


There was no code that could cause this type of problem, just the 
scripts generated by Auto-Script, e.g. a menuPick and empty case 
statement, and besides that, the problem was that the menu did not get 
moved into the Application menu. No code was needed for this to occur.


You know, of course, that it is perfectly legal to have a group that is 
not placed on any card, right? You can have any number of groups that 
behave that way. This is not a bug. As a matter of fact, imported 
HyperCard stacks always have at least one or more unplaced groups that 
contain various HyperCard resources. I see these all the time.


One way to accidentally create an unplaced group is to group an object 
and then delete the card it is on. Deleting the card does not delete the 
groups that are on it, and you now have unplaced groups.


You don't say what the "blob" was. The last "blob" I saw in one of my 
stacks was an imported image that was not in a Rev-friendly format. 
Re-saving the image as a regular .jpg and re-importing it fixed the "blob".


If the menu did not appear as the application menu, then there was 
something wrong with the structure of the menu group. Others have 
addressed this and suggested things to look for. It doesn't sound like 
your "blob" was supposed to be the menu group, as you would have named 
it more sensibly. So, it sounds like there were two problems: the first 
was an unrelated, unplaced group, and the second was a (different) menu 
group that was structurally unsound. Or at least, that's as much as I 
can assemble from your description, not having seen the stack.


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Thanks for the welcome and initial responses / MIDI

[Frank R]

Thanks everyone for the welcome and initial responses.
   
  Now, to Really get me off to an enthusiastic start with RunRev, can Someone
  send me that MIDI Builder demo stack?  :)   Somebody here has to have it.
   
  I'd really appreciate it.
   
  Thanks.
   
  Frank
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Re: Meeting at MacWorld SF in January 2006

[Jeffrey Reynolds]

Mark,

ha, thanks, great to see more faces! Also glad to see a Berkeleyite in 
the mix! I lived there for years (grad school and after) and years and 
just moved east about 4 years ago. i still cant get a decent latte 
outside of Berkeley!


cheers

Jeff

On Nov 24, 2005, at 5:13 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:




We usually get a dinner together at the show. This year my own time is
rather limited in the evenings. If you want to see faces, check out

http://www.frappr.com/runtimerevolution


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Re: Recent anger - and new guy here

[Jeffrey Reynolds]

Yes, quite a few of us rely on MC/Rev as an integral part of making a 
living as i have seen around over the years on the list. I have watched 
so many other products rise and fall (ie ishell, mtropolis, toolbook, 
etc) while metacard and rev have just kept on going like the ever-ready 
bunny, maturing and evolving.


Yes once and a while you get stuck in some corner with some obscure 
problem, but in the end i have always figured out a way around or 
through the problem (many times with the help of the list) and finished 
the product.


Jeffrey Reynolds


On Nov 24, 2005, at 3:17 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:





  - Are people out there making a livelihood using this product nearly
exclusively, or is this rare to nonexistent?


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Re: Recent anger - and new guy here / SOT

[Ken Ray]

On 11/24/05 9:08 PM, "Frank R" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Ken - does your company have any relationship to a SOT in the
>   motorcycle parts world?

Nope, no resemblance... :-)


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Re: Meeting at MacWorld SF in January 2006

[Judy Perry]

"Birds Of a Feather, as it did at Monterray??

Judy


On Thu, 24 Nov 2005, Ken Ray wrote:

> Uh... not to sound like an idiot here, but what does "BOF" mean?

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Re: Recent anger - and new guy here / SOT

[Frank R]

Ken - does your company have any relationship to a SOT in the
  motorcycle parts world?
  

Ken Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  On 11/24/05 1:04 PM, "Frank R" wrote:

> Ok, with the recent anger expressed, and with me being a new guy on the block,
> let me ask some questions:
> 
> - What's the size of the company behind this product? You don't have to
> give precise numbers, but somebody must know if this company is - a thousand
> people - doubt it, a hundred people - still probably doubt it, at least dozens
> of people - probably, and I hope, or one or two people - I don't hope this is
> the case.

Last time I checked it was about a dozen people give or take (of course this
was a year ago and things might have changed).

> - What are the support options? Do we get 100% of support via the dialog in
> this forum, or is there a way to contact a tech support team at the company
> and occasionally get a good answer?

Well, the support options are listed at the RunRev site
(http://support.runrev.com/pricing/support_info.php), but basically this
list is the "free" support; you can pay for email priority support or phone
support.

> - What's the frequency of the release of minor levels and major levels of
> the software?

I don't recall specifically, but it seems like it's about 6 months between
minor releases and a year between major ones (something like that) - I might
be misremembering, so if anyone wants to chime in here, that would be great.

> - Are people out there making a livelihood using this product nearly
> exclusively, or is this rare to nonexistent?

Yes (I am, for one). And I know several others doing this as well. I don't
know how many in total, though.

HTH,


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: seems to meny If

[Ken Ray]

On 11/24/05 8:52 PM, "liamlambert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> how do I write this in a switch statement or is there a better way
> to write it
> 
> if it contains JK then send mouseUp to button "NextTrack"
>  if it contains AB then send mouseUp to button "NextTrack"
>  if it contains JL then send mouseUp to button "playpause"
>  if it contains JM then send mouseUp to button "back"
>  if it contains GK then send mouseUp to button "1"
>  if it contains HK then send mouseUp to button "2"
>  if it contains IK then send mouseUp to button "3"
>  if it contains GL then send mouseUp to button "4"
>  if it contains HL then send mouseUp to button "5"
>  if it contains IL then send mouseUp to button "6"
>  if it contains GM then send mouseUp to button "7"
>  if it contains HM then send mouseUp to button "8"
>  if it contains IM then send mouseUp to button "9"
>  if it contains HN then send mouseUp to button "10"
>  if it contains "IN" then send mouseUp to button "11"
>  if it contains GN then send mouseUp to button "12"

Well, first of all, I wouldn't name any buttons with numbers - it can
confuse Rev - use something like "B1" or whatever you like. And secondly, I
would put whatever is in "it" into some other variable so you can make sure
it doesn't get messed with.

My solution below uses B1-B12 instead of 1-12, and has put "it" into tData:

put it into tData
put "JK,AB,JL,JM,GK,HK,IK,GL,HL,IL,GM,HM,IM,HN,IN,GN" into \
  tPairs
put "NextTrack,NextTrack,playpause,back,B1,B2,B3,B4,B5," & \
  "B6,B7,B8,B9,B10,B11,B12" into tBtns
repeat with x = 1 to the number of items of tPairs
  if tData contains (item x of tPairs) then
do "send mouseUp to btn " & quote & (item x of tBtns) & quote
end repeat

HTH,


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
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seems to meny If

[liamlambert]

how do I write this in a switch statement or is there a better way
to write it

if it contains JK then send mouseUp to button "NextTrack"
if it contains AB then send mouseUp to button "NextTrack"
if it contains JL then send mouseUp to button "playpause"
if it contains JM then send mouseUp to button "back"
if it contains GK then send mouseUp to button "1"
if it contains HK then send mouseUp to button "2"
if it contains IK then send mouseUp to button "3"
if it contains GL then send mouseUp to button "4"
if it contains HL then send mouseUp to button "5"
if it contains IL then send mouseUp to button "6"
if it contains GM then send mouseUp to button "7"
if it contains HM then send mouseUp to button "8"
if it contains IM then send mouseUp to button "9"
if it contains HN then send mouseUp to button "10"
if it contains "IN" then send mouseUp to button "11"
if it contains GN then send mouseUp to button "12"

thanks
Liam L.

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Re: Meeting at MacWorld SF in January 2006

[Mark Wieder]

Dan-

Wednesday, November 23, 2005, 6:36:01 PM, you wrote:

> And if we get that same result this year, I bet someone will set up
> an offsite BOF. Who needs IDG?

I'm certainly no fan of IDG. But getting them to publicize BOF
sessions is *very* useful. We can always get a listing at the Hess
Memorial MacWorld event listing, but then only folks in the know will
find out about it...

http://www.ilenesmachine.com/partylist.shtml

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Re: group syntax question

[Mark Wieder]

Eric-

Monday, November 21, 2005, 11:14:36 PM, you wrote:

> Hi Mark,

> Afraid not with this method...
> More redeable like this?

> put the label of btn ID (the hilitedButtonID of grp "gpFilter") into
> tCurBtnLabel
> switch tCurBtnLabel

A bit. I'm open to other methods... how do others deal with finding
out which button in a group is the selected one? As in preferences...

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Re: Mysterious Bug that puts menu groups into stacks

[Mark Wieder]

Ken-

Thursday, November 24, 2005, 5:06:23 PM, you wrote:

>> That's okay. I mean I wanted to get some other opinions on the issue.

> It's never happened to me...

...never wanted to get other opinions? 

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Re: group syntax question

[Mark Wieder]

Phil-

Monday, November 21, 2005, 11:07:40 PM, you wrote:

> on mouseUp
>set the uTargetLabel of me to the label of the target
> end mouseUp

Thanks. "The target" has some possibilities, maybe combined with
Richard's uAction idea... I'll have to mull this over a bit tomorrow
when I'm thinking straighter.

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Documentation errors - bitNot

[Sean Shao]

The documentation for "bitNot" states:

"bitNot 1 -- evaluates to 0
bitNot 14 -- in binary: bitNot 1110; evaluates to 0001; converted to 1"

Both of those results are incorrect (well in theory they are correct, but 
not for 32-bit integers)..


bitNot 1 -- returns 4294967294  (which is -2)
bitNot 14   -- returns 4294967280  (which is -15)

The correct answers are returned using the bitwise operators posted last 
night. You can verify all your answers using your web browser and the 
following javascript



document.write(~14); // ~ bitNot


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http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/


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Re: Call for Tutorial Topics

[Thomas McGrath III]

Andre,

How's the Lego project going? Have you made any progress?

I would love to be able to program in Rev and control Lego's.

Tom

On Jul 8, 2004, at 11:07 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:



On Jul 8, 2004, at 12:22 PM, Elizabeth Dalton wrote:

- A stack which can be used to control Lego Robots through the USB  
port (for "a student who wants to control robot behavior", and  
this would also address the USB issue), or, if the Lego version  
isn't where you want to go, a little stack about building and  
controlling a very simple robot from scratch using parts from  
Radio Shack and RunRev


I made minischeme talk with the Lego RCX in 1999... I think I can  
make Rev talk to the RCX as well, but I don't know the modern  
opcodes... and was not thru USB it was from Serial connection... I  
use a serial <--> usb converter here... humm... I know nothing of  
USB but I know about the RCX and Rev and how the RCX works.


anyone want help me build a Rev Controled mindstorms lego robot? go  
RevRover Go!


andre

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Soap Dog Studios - BRAZIL
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Re: Happy Thanksgving

[Ken Ray]

On 11/24/05 4:26 PM, "Ken Norris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Directed to list members in the U.S.
> 
> Happy Thanksgiving!

Same to you, Ken - and Happy Thanksgiving to all Rev/MC users wherever they
may be...


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Re: Mysterious Bug that puts menu groups into stacks

[Ken Ray]

On 11/24/05 6:20 PM, "Thomas McGrath III" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> David,
> 
> That's okay. I mean I wanted to get some other opinions on the issue.

It's never happened to me...

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Re: Rotating images . . . ?

[Ken Ray]

On 11/24/05 2:26 PM, "Mathewson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 1. When I rotate a GIF that contains transparent areas it
> deteriorates . . . this is a bother . . . any bright ideas
> how to cope with this one?
> 
> 2. When I rotate an image by a mouse click:
> 
> on mouseUp
>   rotate img "egg.gif" by 90
> end mouseUp
> 
> it develops a dotted border and won't let me do it again
> unless I flip between the 'browse' and 'pointer' cursors.

Don't use "rotate" - instead do a "set the angle of img "egg.gif" to 90" -
this is lossless and should give you better results.

Ken Ray
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Re: Meeting at MacWorld SF in January 2006

[Ken Ray]

On 11/24/05 2:59 PM, "Geoff Canyon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Birds Of a Feather

Thanks, Geoff...


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Re: Polling Search Engines

[Mark Wieder]

Stephen-

Thursday, November 24, 2005, 7:08:48 AM, you wrote:

> If your app is really that useful, why don't you make the API ID 
> customizable so the user can obtain his/her own id?? Perhaps 
> streamline or explain the application process for the user. Google 
> happy, you happy, client happy.

> This will defer any harm to you. And it might be hard for one person
> to use 1000/queries/day.

Well, here's an example of why that won't work (aside from the
complication of making users of an app apply for their own developer
id from Google):

Let's say I'd like to use Google's translation services on a chat
server. The server makes a call to Google's api and returns the
translated string, then passes the string back to the user. Whose
developer id gets used? Do I have the client app pass a developer id
to the server, which then passes it to Google, or is it the server's
id that gets passed to Google? The server itself could easily reach
1000 queries a day.

The api id is supposed to be for developers, not for end users.
Imagine if you had to register with Google to use their search page.
Or apply for an id in order to read runrev's web site.

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Re: Submitting a Rave to balance a Rant

[Thomas McGrath III]

Definitely impresses me. I continue to impress people who have not  
seen or heard of Rev with the things I can output in very, very short  
times and fully functioning, too.

Love the Revolution.

Tom

On Nov 24, 2005, at 5:50 PM, Jim Ault wrote:


This should impress my client on Friday.
4 hours to build a working prototype.


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Re: Mysterious Bug that puts menu groups into stacks

[Thomas McGrath III]

David,

That's okay. I mean I wanted to get some other opinions on the issue.  
I don't know if the name is important or not. That is why I started a  
new thread. If others have seen it or anything like it than I would  
like to see it entered into Bugzilla as a true bug or else it would  
have to be thrown into a user contributable error.


It's no big deal, but true Bugs need to be detailed and reported with  
reproducible results in order to get fixed. I searched Bugzilla and  
could not find a bug like this so I decided to ask the others here on  
the list.


Yours,

Tom

On Nov 24, 2005, at 5:49 PM, David Burgun wrote:


Hello Revolutionaries,

Has anyone ever had Rev actually put a menu group into a stack  
"all by itself"? On the other thread David swears that this is the  
case and that he didn't put it there. I find this very hard to  
believe and I would like to know if it is true. So has this ever  
happened to anyone else?


It wasn't specifcally a Menu Group! Just a Group with a whole load  
of garbage properties. It didn't appear in any of the cards/stacks  
in the application browser.


It ONLY appeared in the Place Group sub-menu. When I placed the  
Group it then appeared in the App Browser, then I could delete it  
and then it worked!


The bug could well in the "Place Group" code.



The clue for me that this might be a user mistake is the name of  
the group ""fgttryiolk" which is closely  grouped on the keyboard  
for both hands while typing. I have had object names change to  
something like this "ffefskjil" but it was usually because I  
forgot the object was selected when I touched the keyboard. Or  
occasionally the cat runs across my keyboard. But that is a  
separate issue. The real issue is whether or not Rev is capable  
of, just out of the blue, all by itself, in some weird anomaly,  
due to some bug, adding it's own menu group and then renaming it  
to closely related keys on the keyboard and then deleting it from  
the current card but leaving it in the stack and in the "Place" menu.


I said it was named *something like* "fgttryiolk" not that it *was*  
"fgttryiolk", I really can't remember what it was called, but was  
some ASCII characters, like a piece of scratch memory, it could  
have been "mrqjhsxhdp", I really don't know now, all I wanted to do  
was to be rid of it!


Take Care and All the Best
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Re: Submitting a Rave to balance a Rant

[David Burgun]

Yep! That's what's great about RunRev all right and why I love it. I 
did amost exactly the same thing this week, massively productive. The 
problem is that all this spoilled when you hit one of these horrible 
IDE/Engine/Whatever problems! It has taken me the best part of a day 
trying to the simplest of things.


I suppose what makes it worse is if you and a task to do and you've 
coded in the environment before you can make a good estimate of how 
long it will take to finish. But if you hit one of these No-Way-Out 
problems all your estimates go out the window.


For instance, if I had coded this in C/C++ using a GUI framework, I 
would have scheduled more time, BUT I would be 100% certain that I 
wouldn't have spent a day making a Menu work The point I am 
making is that no one likes to feel their time is being wasted, by 
that I mean I would rather spend 7 days working productivly on a 
C/C++ app, then 2 days coding a runrev app and 1 day making a menu 
work!


All the Best
Dave


One of the things I love about Rev is the short development time.
Started this morning to do a knock off of  a customer spreadsheet, fairly
simple, but will need to add Rev functionality later
Made 20 fields to mimic columns, added formatting, and some calc loops,
array building, filtering, legend, sub stack,
THEN...
on mouseDoubleUp
  put the ticks into startt --ticks are 1/60 of a second
...
set the lockscreen to true
get values from a sub stack
import small tab data file
run 8 functions to get/set field values and sizes
do interface tidy routines
...
  put "elapsed = " & (the ticks - startt) & " ticks" into msg
end mouseDoubleUp

RESULT"elapsed = 0 ticks" or "elapsed = 1 ticks"

150 lines of Transcript, 9 short repeat loops
 [ Mac OSX, Tiger 10.4.2, Rev 2.6.1, G5 dual 2.0 GHz]

This should impress my client on Friday.
4 hours to build a working prototype.
Oh, and I will take about a minute to compile this as an exe for his XP
machine.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas

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Messages in setprop...

[Gilberto Cuba]

Hi,

I'm working in a "setprop" of the "property set", that is to say, group of 
property, and detect that I modified or set a value of a property of the same 
group or "property set", the message dont triggered. How I can do this message 
occur?

Example: 

setprop MyPropSet[propName] newValue

switch propName
case "Prop1"
  -- (1)
  set the MyPropSet["Prop3"] of me to value   
  break
case "Prop2"
  ...
  -- do something...
  ...
  break
case "Prop3"
  ...
  ...do something...  (2)
  ...
  break
end switch

end setprop

When i set a value to a property "Prop1", it come in to (1), but when the next 
line is executing, it dont pass for (2).
I hope you might understand.

Best regards,

Gilberto Cuba

PD: I request my excuses for my english. I'm speaking spanish.  :DDD
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Re: About bugs (was This is what REALLY SUCKS about RunRev! - was Menubar Help)

[David Burgun]

Hi Eric,

I always do try to reproduce the problem etc. In this case though it
really is a bug, if not in the menu handling, then else where in
RunRev.

There was a Group in the Place Groups Sub-Menu that was not listed in
any stack/card in the apps browser. When selected it placed a BLOB in
the stack window that could not be selected, however, when selected
from the apps browser window, it could be deleted. Once this was done
it worked.

There was no code that could cause this type of problem, just the
scripts generated by Auto-Script, e.g. a menuPick and empty case
statement, and besides that, the problem was that the menu did not
get moved into the Application menu. No code was needed for this to
occur.

All the Best
Dave



Hi Dave,

I have some experience in XTalks since 20 years...
I have seen many people like you moaning about what they call *bugs*.
In my experience today, I may ensure you that, 99 times out of one
hundred, I *know* that the reason is a bad code and , sometimes in a
place I get pain to find it :-).
Before saying: that's a bug, please, try to reproduce it in a fresh new stack.
If you can't reproduce it, it means that your stack has a coding problem.
Then don't waste your time: search, track and solve :-)

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.

PS. In your case, as others told you, your stack is the problem, not Rev.

Le 24 nov. 05 à 21:27, David Burgun a écrit :


As for scaring people away, surely it's the bugs that scare people
away, not me moaning about them! Or are you suggesting that it's
better to keep quiet and that way fool them into thinking they are
getting something they are not. Apart from ths dishonesty, I really
don't think it will work, since if they do buy it and then hit the
problems they will be far more upset and far more likey to just
drop RunRev then if they knew there were these kind of stupid
problems to start with.




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Submitting a Rave to balance a Rant

[Jim Ault]

One of the things I love about Rev is the short development time.
Started this morning to do a knock off of  a customer spreadsheet, fairly
simple, but will need to add Rev functionality later
Made 20 fields to mimic columns, added formatting, and some calc loops,
array building, filtering, legend, sub stack,
THEN...
on mouseDoubleUp
  put the ticks into startt --ticks are 1/60 of a second
...
set the lockscreen to true
get values from a sub stack
import small tab data file
run 8 functions to get/set field values and sizes
do interface tidy routines
...
  put "elapsed = " & (the ticks - startt) & ³ ticks² into msg
end mouseDoubleUp

RESULT"elapsed = 0 ticks" or "elapsed = 1 ticks"

150 lines of Transcript, 9 short repeat loops
 [ Mac OSX, Tiger 10.4.2, Rev 2.6.1, G5 dual 2.0 GHz]

This should impress my client on Friday.
4 hours to build a working prototype.
Oh, and I will take about a minute to compile this as an exe for his XP
machine.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas

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Re: This is what REALLY SUCKS about RunRev! - was Menubar Help

[David Burgun]

There was a Group in the Place Groups Sub-Menu that was not listed in 
any stack/card in the apps browser. When selected it placed a BLOB in 
the stack window that could not be selected, however, when selected 
from the apps browser window, it could be deleted. Once this was done 
it worked.


How can this not be a bug in RunRev?

Having tried to help before, I have to ask now: how do you _know_ 
this is a bug (in Rev)? Given that you said it worked in a new 
stack, I have to think that this is some sort of mis-configuration 
of the stack that is having the problem.


Several have suggested layering -- basically once the menubar 
buttons and group have been created automatically, you shouldn't 
touch them in any way other than to modify their scripts and 
contents.


In any case, while you might certainly argue that the mechanism for 
translating Windows menu bars into Mac menu bars is touchy, what you 
have described so far does not demonstrate a bug in Revolution. The 
most that can be said at this point is that there is a way to 
mis-use the menu system, and that the documentation hasn't led you 
to discover what you what you might have done.


If you want to keep calling this a bug, you need to submit a bug 
through bugzilla:


http://support.runrev.com/bugzilla/bugzilla.php

and attach the stack for verification. Once someone has looked at 
the stack and verified that everything looks right and yet works 
incorrectly, _then_ it's a bug.



I have no clue what to file it under and the stack doesn't have the 
problem anymore.


All the Best
Dave

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Near completion of Color Pattern Toolkit: IDE, engine, and font problems (part two)

[Wilhelm Sanke]

After reporting about IDE issues in my last post I am going to look at 
apparent engine problems having come up during the development of the 
toolkit (or which again came up here). There are now differences 
concerning the operation platforms and hardly any between alternative IDEs.


2. Engine aspects:

When working and experimenting with the present form of the toolkit on a 
Windows XP computer, I noticed an occasional slowdown of performance. It 
could happen that in the middle of redrawing the 19.800 color chars the 
execution would slow down, halt, and start again with a higher speed. 
Once in a while the slowdown is of such an extent that it takes two to 
three minutes to execute the script of the respective button - the 
engine is literally "choking" (normal execution time for the scripts is 
between 500 milliseconds and 4 seconds on my main computer). This 
happens relatively seldom, but it happens during longer sessions. 
Additionally - but maybe for a similar reason - there is a general 
slight and accumulating slowdown of the performance to be noticed.


Saving and/or compacting of the stack does not help, but quitting the 
IDE and starting anew.


These facts reminded me of an engine "leak" - as Scott Raney had called 
it a few yars ago,  that occurred in a "Memory Stack" of mine. After 
about the 500th time a memory tile was turned the application suddenly 
froze. Scott Raney very soon fixed the underlying engine bug; at that 
time bug fixes were achieved mostly on the basis of personal 
correspondence or via the list, as the then Metacard community was 
arguably smaller than the Rev community today. The "Memory Stack" is 
still there and working without freezing or delays 
().
The same bug had been responsible for freezing the IDE when using the 
drag command to create colored lines for a higher number of consecutive 
lines.


Examining the slowdown I now have stumbled accross a real (negative) 
killer feature (for Windows XP) that I had attached to a three-year old 
rudimentary version of the color toolkit. I had experimented with using 
small thumb images as color and pattern input for further processing and 
transformation; this was achieved by setting the "screenmouseloc" to the 
pixels of a thumb image and then tranferring the "mousecolor" to the 
matrix of fields. At that time I was using Windows 98 and did not notice 
any delays.


When attaching this feature to my present version of the toolkit I got 
surprises:
Scanning an area of 100X100 pixels of an imported thumb along with 
setting the backcolor of the corresponding chars in the pattern field 
took 36 seconds. Although I had set screenloc to true, the mousecursor 
was still visible, began very fast and showed a quick slowdown of its 
horizontal movements. After finishing the scan I got an error message 
"running low on memory, script aborted", most of the screen became 
white, and a number of controls appeared at odd places, some of them 
more than once. Closing the stack was hardly possible the normal way, 
you had to "grope in the dark" to find where the necessary part of the 
MenuBar had gone to. All this on a Windows XP computer with 2 GHz and 1 
GB RAM.


I then reverted to my old stack (developed on Windows 98) that had the 
scan feature attached and which had a 60 X 45 field matrix, so the 
maximum possible scan area comprised 2700 pixels.


The first scan now took (again on the XP computer) 2700 ms 
(milliseconds), the next 6700 ms, then for each of the next consecutive 
scans an average of additional 6500 ms was needed. No disturbances like 
reported above were to be seen, but when you tried to access a script or 
other parts of the IDE between the scans this was really slow. When 
about 30 seconds scan time have accumulated the IDE breaks down like 
described above.


Using a standalone shows about the same results, so it really must be an 
engine problem. My "Visual C ++" debugger among other things points to 
an "untreated exception at X, access violation".


Test of the same stack on the Windows 98 computer: Slower speed because 
of somewhat slower CPU, but constant performance, no accumulating slower 
speed and no breakdowns!


Test of the same stack(s) on my vintage Power Book (now with Mac OS 
10.3.9, 667 MHz, 1 GB RAM):


Results of the 60X45 scan: First scan 3500 ms, the consecutive scans an 
additional 250 ms each. The slowing down is there, but no freezing or 
breaking down. Script access is slowed down, and when the stack is 
closed the screen goes black for a moment. Tried up to 6000 accumulated 
milliseconds.


Results of an 150X100 scan on the Mac. First scan 21 seconds, the next 
each about 10 seconds more. No breakdown like on Window XP, but very 
slow overall performance of the stack and the same blackout when closing.


So the engine leak is there on Windows XP and to a lesser extent on 
MacOS. I ran the stack on other XP computers, too, with simila

Re: This is what REALLY SUCKS about RunRev! - was Menubar Help

[Geoff Canyon]

Having tried to help before, I have to ask now: how do you _know_  
this is a bug (in Rev)? Given that you said it worked in a new stack,  
I have to think that this is some sort of mis-configuration of the  
stack that is having the problem.


Several have suggested layering -- basically once the menubar buttons  
and group have been created automatically, you shouldn't touch them  
in any way other than to modify their scripts and contents.


In any case, while you might certainly argue that the mechanism for  
translating Windows menu bars into Mac menu bars is touchy, what you  
have described so far does not demonstrate a bug in Revolution. The  
most that can be said at this point is that there is a way to mis-use  
the menu system, and that the documentation hasn't led you to  
discover what you what you might have done.


If you want to keep calling this a bug, you need to submit a bug  
through bugzilla:


http://support.runrev.com/bugzilla/bugzilla.php

and attach the stack for verification. Once someone has looked at the  
stack and verified that everything looks right and yet works  
incorrectly, _then_ it's a bug.


gc


On Nov 24, 2005, at 2:04 PM, David Burgun wrote:

The problem is that is a bug and the documentaion is poor. This is  
true whether I Rant or not. If I don't rant I am sure nothing will  
be done about it, if I do rant I am fairly sure nothing will be  
done about it. So decided to rant!


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RE: How to show up a print dialog box

[Jason - Polydiam.com]

By the way I'm using windows XP, I just can't get the print dialog box to
come up with these commands.

Anyone know any other commands I could use to print the images into a
specified size and show up the printer dialog box?



I’m trying to print an image to a specified paper size; 8”x10”.
  

set the printRotated to true

  open printing with dialog
  
  print stack "Target" into 15,15,400,400
    
  close printing 

but it does not show the print dialog box (so a user can change the paper
size)
anyone know how to get it to show the print dialog box and still print into
the specified coordinates on the paper (and landscape)
Thanks

Jason




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Re: Mysterious Bug that puts menu groups into stacks

[David Burgun]

Hello Revolutionaries,

Has anyone ever had Rev actually put a menu group into a stack "all 
by itself"? On the other thread David swears that this is the case 
and that he didn't put it there. I find this very hard to believe 
and I would like to know if it is true. So has this ever happened to 
anyone else?


It wasn't specifcally a Menu Group! Just a Group with a whole load of 
garbage properties. It didn't appear in any of the cards/stacks in 
the application browser.


It ONLY appeared in the Place Group sub-menu. When I placed the Group 
it then appeared in the App Browser, then I could delete it and then 
it worked!


The bug could well in the "Place Group" code.



The clue for me that this might be a user mistake is the name of the 
group ""fgttryiolk" which is closely  grouped on the keyboard for 
both hands while typing. I have had object names change to something 
like this "ffefskjil" but it was usually because I forgot the object 
was selected when I touched the keyboard. Or occasionally the cat 
runs across my keyboard. But that is a separate issue. The real 
issue is whether or not Rev is capable of, just out of the blue, all 
by itself, in some weird anomaly, due to some bug, adding it's own 
menu group and then renaming it to closely related keys on the 
keyboard and then deleting it from the current card but leaving it 
in the stack and in the "Place" menu.


I said it was named *something like* "fgttryiolk" not that it *was* 
"fgttryiolk", I really can't remember what it was called, but was 
some ASCII characters, like a piece of scratch memory, it could have 
been "mrqjhsxhdp", I really don't know now, all I wanted to do was to 
be rid of it!


Take Care and All the Best
Dave
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How to show up a print dialog box

[Jason - Polydiam.com]

I'm trying to print an image to a specified paper size; 8"x10".

  

 

set the printRotated to true

 

  open printing with dialog

  

  print stack "Target" into 15,15,400,400



  close printing 

 

but it does not show the print dialog box (so a user can change the paper
size)

anyone know how to get it to show the print dialog box and still print into
the specified coordinates on the paper (and landscape)

Thanks

 

Jason

 

 

 

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Re: Recent anger - and new guy here

[David Burgun]

Ok, with the recent anger expressed, and with me being a new guy on the block,
  let me ask some questions:

  - What's the size of the company behind this product?  You don't
have to give precise numbers, but somebody must know if this company
is - a thousand people - doubt it, a hundred people - still probably
doubt it, at least dozens of people - probably, and I hope, or one
or two people - I don't hope this is the case.


I'd guess at dozens.


  - What are the support options?  Do we get 100% of support via the
dialog in this forum, or is there a way to contact a tech support
team at the company and occasionally get a good answer?



Check the web site, there are different packages, the basic studio
version there is no support included, you can pay for tecch support
indcidents at around £75 PH I think, but again check the web site.
The enterprize edition comes with some support I think.


  - What's the frequency of the release of minor levels and major
levels of the software?


Minor levels don't seem to be announced, you have to download the
package and check the build number. More major updates are announced
and I reckon since I've been using it there are around 3 per year.




  - Are people out there making a livelihood using this product
nearly exclusively, or is this rare to nonexistent?


Yes, I am using it to develop applications that will be sold. It
makes solid good applications - once you get over the silly bugs that
just don't seem to go away. Having said that, I have not found a
situation that I have not been able to work around, and this list is
just GREAT. Actually, without it, I think RunRev would just die.


  Thanks.
  [I'm a long time developer, and I have used Many tools and
languages, and while this thing doesn't look like the tool for All
jobs, it does look like The Tool for some jobs.
  So, I start out my journey here enthusiastically until someone
tells me otherwise.]



I decided to rant today to let off some steam. The problem is that
you get SOOO much done so quickly that when you hit one these
"silly" problems it is amplified. What I mean is that I coded a
whole, fairly complex window with loads of controls and images in
about 2.5 days. I then spent most of a day trying to fathom a bug in
the RunRev system, the bug is probably else where from the menu
system and caused a corruption.

I have not found a task that you cannot do with RunRev, you may need
to develop some external commands written in C/C++, but I would say
designing and implenting a GUI is FAR faster than any other
environment I have used (and I've been in software development for
over 25 years, the last 12 on Mac with some Windows).

The thing I am moaning about really is that the documentation is
really poor and there are some really silly bugs that just don't seem
to get fixed, but at the same time there are more new features added.

Part of the problem is that the IDE is also written in RunRev so
intreraction between (perhaps buggy) scripts and the development
system occur.

I really would like them to just do a bug fix/IDE enhancement
release, in fact I think it is NEEDED if RunRev is going to grow to
any size, and I sincerly hope it does, it is a REAL pleasure to build
an Application in RunRev and it really is a fantastic product. it's
how I've always imagined it should be, since the first time I really
understood OOP and GUI's!

Hope this helps
All the Best
Dave


  Frank
  

Stephen Barncard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  Dave, it's cool. Take a deep breath. You've got a lot of love in the
room on this list.

Complaining, making threats and playing the role of the disgruntled
customer won't go as far here as calm discussion. Please be careful
about dissing Runrev in particular - your careless comments could
scare away lurkers - potential runrev users (and therefore a
healthier business, with continued development, etc). I have no doubt
that you will find help in this place within hours. The best
scripters in the world hang out here.

This stage (OUTRAGE+Confusion) is typical of one's self-education in
using rev. Either it will be fixed in the next revision or we write a
thing to go around it for now. As far as I'm concerned the gains in
using this erector set far outweighs any glitches I encounter.

Are you angry enough to write your own Menu Maker? It can be done.


What Gives? Why is this SUCH a difficult thing to do in RunRev? I
don't know any other environment where this is SUCH a big deal, I
could have done this 100 times over in C or even PowerPC assembler!

Getting to the end of a long day and I have to get this working
tonight! I really don't want to have to tell my boss that I can't do
this in RunRev and that the support it so bad that you can't even
get someone to look at it!

All the Best
Dave


--
stephen barncard
s a n f r a n c i s c o
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Re: Happy Thanksgving

[Thomas McGrath III]

Ken,

Thank you so much. Happy Thanksgiving to you too! Happy Thanksgiving  
to all Revers here on the list. And if you don't celebrate  
Thanksgiving then just accept my thanks for giving so much of  
yourselves to this list. Thank you.


I know in some parts of the world that they do have celebrate the  
bounty of a good harvest. In India they have a Harvest Celebration in  
January. I wonder if ours didn't start out that way and then turned  
into some kinda pilgrim day thing.



Thanks again,

Tom

On Nov 24, 2005, at 5:26 PM, Ken Norris wrote:


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Happy Thanksgiving!

All the best,
Ken N.

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Mysterious Bug that puts menu groups into stacks

[Thomas McGrath III]

Hello Revolutionaries,

Has anyone ever had Rev actually put a menu group into a stack "all  
by itself"? On the other thread David swears that this is the case  
and that he didn't put it there. I find this very hard to believe and  
I would like to know if it is true. So has this ever happened to  
anyone else?


The clue for me that this might be a user mistake is the name of the  
group ""fgttryiolk" which is closely  grouped on the keyboard for  
both hands while typing. I have had object names change to something  
like this "ffefskjil" but it was usually because I forgot the object  
was selected when I touched the keyboard. Or occasionally the cat  
runs across my keyboard. But that is a separate issue. The real issue  
is whether or not Rev is capable of, just out of the blue, all by  
itself, in some weird anomaly, due to some bug, adding it's own menu  
group and then renaming it to closely related keys on the keyboard  
and then deleting it from the current card but leaving it in the  
stack and in the "Place" menu.


Let me know,

Tom
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Re: Happy Thanksgving

[Marian Petrides]

And to you, Ken!

Marian
On Nov 24, 2005, at 4:26 PM, Ken Norris wrote:


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Happy Thanksgiving!

All the best,
Ken N.

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Happy Thanksgving

[Ken Norris]

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Happy Thanksgiving!

All the best,
Ken N.

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Re: This is what REALLY SUCKS about whingeing

[David Burgun]

David,

This definitely sounds like a user error. If you have more than one 
menu group it will create confusion. If the group "fgttryiolk" is in 
the place menu then it was because you 'the user' created it first, 
Rev certainly did not create it or put it in your stack. Rev gets 
blamed for things like this all of the time.


I am 100% sure I didn't create it. I reckon it was some kind of 
corruption in stack file. I don't think it was a menu group 
specifically just a random bunch of bytes that "looked" like a group. 
But anyway, even if I had created it, how come it wasn't listed in 
any stack? E.g. when I looked in the App browser, there was no 
control with the name "fgttryiolk"  anywhere in any card of any stack.



What probably happened was that you were trying to figure out what 
was wrong and either copied or created a menu group and while it was 
still selected accidently typed in the name field, then deleted this 
background group from that particular card but it was still in the 
stack. Then you created a new group and had two menu groups and were 
trying to fix the one but the other one was still there.


No, this was not the case, see above.

The best approach is always to create a sample stack and put a menu 
into it to see if it works and that you understand what you are 
doing in that stack then try and figure out what you did wrong in 
the broken stack.


This was/is a simple stack, with just the Menu Group in it. Can't get 
much simpler than that!


Don't feel bad though, I certainly blame Rev first and then the Gods 
of programming before I grudgingly look at myself as the culprit. 
Most times if I post here others will point this out quickly and 
then I go OHH, sorry it was me after all. The only problem is that 
the thread looks like Rev is the problem but in reality it was me 
all along.


I don't feel bad, it was nothing I did. This was a problem in RunRev, 
not a user error. See above.



Next time it would be better not to put "what REALLY SUCKS about 
Rev" in the subject line when after all it more than likely and in 
this case was your mistake.


In this case it was not my mistake. It was a BUG IN RUNREV and this 
really is what really does suck about RunRev.


Take Care and All the Best
Dave


I hope that this helps.

Tom

On Nov 24, 2005, at 3:44 PM, David Burgun wrote:

The only way I could find to fix it was to delete the original Menu 
Group, create a new one, and then paste the scripts back into it. I 
then had a problem whereby the Menu appeared across the top of the 
stack window (ala Windows OS). After fishing around for ages I 
found that in the "Place Group" there was a group that was no where 
in any stack and had a weird name (something like fgttryiolk). I 
selected it (e.g. placed it) and it appeared in my stack. I then 
deleted from the stack, saved the stack, quit RunRev and restarted 
and then it worked!


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Re: Messages in setprop...

[Dave Cragg]

On 24 Nov 2005, at 22:27, Gilberto Cuba wrote:


Hi,

I'm working in a "setprop" of the "property set", that is to say,  
group of property, and detect that I modified or set a value of a  
property of the same group or "property set", the message dont  
triggered. How I can do this message occur?


Example:

setprop MyPropSet[propName] newValue

switch propName
case "Prop1"
  -- (1)
  set the MyPropSet["Prop3"] of me to value
  break
case "Prop2"
  ...
  -- do something...
  ...
  break
case "Prop3"
  ...
  ...do something...  (2)
  ...
  break
end switch

end setprop

When i set a value to a property "Prop1", it come in to (1), but  
when the next line is executing, it dont pass for (2).

I hope you might understand.


The following is from the Rev documentation under "setprop".

"If you use the set command within a setProp control structure to set  
the same custom property for the current object, no setProp trigger  
is sent to the object. (This is to avoid runaway recursion, where the  
setProp handler triggers itself.)"


I assume this also applies with "property set" handlers too.

Depending on what you are wanting to do, there are probably a number  
of ways to get round this. My first suggestion would be to use a  
regular handler or function instead of a setprop handler.


Cheers
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Re: This is what REALLY SUCKS about whingeing

[Thomas McGrath III]

David,

This definitely sounds like a user error. If you have more than one  
menu group it will create confusion. If the group "fgttryiolk" is in  
the place menu then it was because you 'the user' created it first,  
Rev certainly did not create it or put it in your stack. Rev gets  
blamed for things like this all of the time.
What probably happened was that you were trying to figure out what  
was wrong and either copied or created a menu group and while it was  
still selected accidently typed in the name field, then deleted this  
background group from that particular card but it was still in the  
stack. Then you created a new group and had two menu groups and were  
trying to fix the one but the other one was still there.


The best approach is always to create a sample stack and put a menu  
into it to see if it works and that you understand what you are doing  
in that stack then try and figure out what you did wrong in the  
broken stack.


Don't feel bad though, I certainly blame Rev first and then the Gods  
of programming before I grudgingly look at myself as the culprit.  
Most times if I post here others will point this out quickly and then  
I go OHH, sorry it was me after all. The only problem is that the  
thread looks like Rev is the problem but in reality it was me all along.


Next time it would be better not to put "what REALLY SUCKS about Rev"  
in the subject line when after all it more than likely and in this  
case was your mistake.


I hope that this helps.

Tom

On Nov 24, 2005, at 3:44 PM, David Burgun wrote:

The only way I could find to fix it was to delete the original Menu  
Group, create a new one, and then paste the scripts back into it. I  
then had a problem whereby the Menu appeared across the top of the  
stack window (ala Windows OS). After fishing around for ages I  
found that in the "Place Group" there was a group that was no where  
in any stack and had a weird name (something like fgttryiolk). I  
selected it (e.g. placed it) and it appeared in my stack. I then  
deleted from the stack, saved the stack, quit RunRev and restarted  
and then it worked!


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Re: This is what REALLY SUCKS about RunRev! - was Menubar Help

[David Burgun]

David Burgun wrote:

I've kept quiet about silly problems for a long tine but this just 
took the biscuit!


As for scaring people away, surely it's the bugs that scare people 
away, not me moaning about them! Or are you suggesting that it's 
better to keep quiet and that way fool them into thinking they are 
getting something they are not. Apart from ths dishonesty, I really 
don't think it will work, since if they do buy it and then hit the 
problems they will be far more upset and far more likey to just 
drop RunRev then if they knew there were these kind of stupid 
problems to start with.


Do you understand David, that this is a user list not the RunRev 
team? Some very smart and helpful people have *volunteered* to help 
- Ken Ray even invited you to send him your problem stack to take a 
look  -  and that on a holiday. Maybe if you weren't so focused on 
flaming the list you could actually make some progress! The people 
here are not Rev employees - they can't fix what is admittedly a 
clunky menu building feature, at least it's very confusing for new 
users. I guess if I were you, I woudn't tick off the people that are 
trying to help you!


That's my 2 cents.


I know all that, decided to rant anyway.

The problem is that is a bug and the documentaion is poor. This is 
true whether I Rant or not. If I don't rant I am sure nothing will be 
done about it, if I do rant I am fairly sure nothing will be done 
about it. So decided to rant!


Take Care and All the Best
Dave
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About bugs (was This is what REALLY SUCKS about RunRev! - was Menubar Help)

[Eric Chatonet]

Hi Dave,

I have some experience in XTalks since 20 years...
I have seen many people like you moaning about what they call *bugs*.
In my experience today, I may ensure you that, 99 times out of one  
hundred, I *know* that the reason is a bad code and , sometimes in a  
place I get pain to find it :-).
Before saying: that's a bug, please, try to reproduce it in a fresh  
new stack.
If you can't reproduce it, it means that your stack has a coding  
problem.

Then don't waste your time: search, track and solve :-)

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.

PS. In your case, as others told you, your stack is the problem, not  
Rev.


Le 24 nov. 05 à 21:27, David Burgun a écrit :

As for scaring people away, surely it's the bugs that scare people  
away, not me moaning about them! Or are you suggesting that it's  
better to keep quiet and that way fool them into thinking they are  
getting something they are not. Apart from ths dishonesty, I really  
don't think it will work, since if they do buy it and then hit the  
problems they will be far more upset and far more likey to just  
drop RunRev then if they knew there were these kind of stupid  
problems to start with.




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Re: group syntax question

[Mark Wieder]

Mark-

Monday, November 21, 2005, 11:24:19 PM, you wrote:

> ..that's the code I'm looking at. I sent you an email earlier today.
> about not being able to open your stack.

Interesting. This posting took three days to make it to the list. I
must have been using slow electrons on Monday.

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Messages in setprop...

[Gilberto Cuba]

Hi,

I'm working in a "setprop" of the "property set", that is to say, group of 
property, and detect that I modified or set a value of a property of the same 
group or "property set", the message dont triggered. How I can do this message 
occur?

Example: 

setprop MyPropSet[propName] newValue

switch propName
case "Prop1"
  -- (1)
  set the MyPropSet["Prop3"] of me to value   
  break
case "Prop2"
  ...
  -- do something...
  ...
  break
case "Prop3"
  ...
  ...do something...  (2)
  ...
  break
end switch

end setprop

When i set a value to a property "Prop1", it come in to (1), but when the next 
line is executing, it dont pass for (2).
I hope you might understand.

Best regards,

Gilberto Cuba

PD: I request my excuses for my english. I'm speaking spanish.  :DDD
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Re: Meeting at MacWorld SF in January 2006

[Mark Wieder]

Jeffrey-

Thursday, November 24, 2005, 11:18:21 AM, you wrote:

> A number of years back a few of us (then metacarders) met up for coffee
> at the show, was just nice to see the faces to go with the online text
> picture that had been created in my head! I am hoping a project will be
> starting in Oakland about then and I can get a trip out west to also
> attend the show and if so im game for something simple!

We usually get a dinner together at the show. This year my own time is
rather limited in the evenings. If you want to see faces, check out

http://www.frappr.com/runtimerevolution

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Re: OT Last week's CarTalk puzzler

[Mark Wieder]

Jim-

Thursday, November 24, 2005, 11:05:18 AM, you wrote:

> Moral: Better to make two slips than one, particularly when the
> answer is binary.

I always try to make pairs of errors at once. That way I have a 50%
chance of them canceling each other out.

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Re: Recent anger - and new guy here

[Thomas McGrath III]

FRANK,

Welcome to Revolution. First off this list is NOT the tech support  
for RunRev so you will often see people complain here about the  
support but meanwhile they never actually open a support case with  
Runtime Revolution. I have opened only one case with RunRev and they  
where quick to help and great on the follow up. There were a few  
times I wanted to open a case but this list of helpful individuals  
has always been there for me and did away with the need for that.


I don't know how many people are employed by RunRev. Why don't you  
ask them? They certainly have enough to run support, marketing,  
sales, website and programming updates and bug fixes.


I pay for an Enterprise license and get so many support cases  
included. But there are many options and just like every other  
software company you can pay for individual cases. But again this  
list of wonderful people is the first place to go to for help. They  
are very experienced and unlike other products it seems that Rev  
users WANT to help newbies and oldtimers with questions.


I believe the fixes are one to two a year with major enhancements  
every year so far.


I make a living using Rev as a Rapid Prototyping Tool. And I write  
small applications on the side that I hope will become valuable to  
others. I replaced MM Director as our tool of choice.


Hope you find this useful.

Tom

On Nov 24, 2005, at 2:04 PM, Frank R wrote:

Ok, with the recent anger expressed, and with me being a new guy on  
the block,

  let me ask some questions:

  - What's the size of the company behind this product?  You don't  
have to give precise numbers, but somebody must know if this  
company is - a thousand people - doubt it, a hundred people - still  
probably doubt it, at least dozens of people - probably, and I  
hope, or one or two people - I don't hope this is the case.


  - What are the support options?  Do we get 100% of support via  
the dialog in this forum, or is there a way to contact a tech  
support team at the company and occasionally get a good answer?


  - What's the frequency of the release of minor levels and major  
levels of the software?


  - Are people out there making a livelihood using this product  
nearly exclusively, or is this rare to nonexistent?


  Thanks.
  [I'm a long time developer, and I have used Many tools and  
languages, and while this thing doesn't look like the tool for All  
jobs, it does look like The Tool for some jobs.
  So, I start out my journey here enthusiastically until someone  
tells me otherwise.]


  Frank
  

Stephen Barncard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  Dave, it's cool. Take a deep breath. You've got a lot of love in the
room on this list.

Complaining, making threats and playing the role of the disgruntled
customer won't go as far here as calm discussion. Please be careful
about dissing Runrev in particular - your careless comments could
scare away lurkers - potential runrev users (and therefore a
healthier business, with continued development, etc). I have no doubt
that you will find help in this place within hours. The best
scripters in the world hang out here.

This stage (OUTRAGE+Confusion) is typical of one's self-education in
using rev. Either it will be fixed in the next revision or we write a
thing to go around it for now. As far as I'm concerned the gains in
using this erector set far outweighs any glitches I encounter.

Are you angry enough to write your own Menu Maker? It can be done.


What Gives? Why is this SUCH a difficult thing to do in RunRev? I
don't know any other environment where this is SUCH a big deal, I
could have done this 100 times over in C or even PowerPC assembler!

Getting to the end of a long day and I have to get this working
tonight! I really don't want to have to tell my boss that I can't do
this in RunRev and that the support it so bad that you can't even
get someone to look at it!

All the Best
Dave


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Re: Meeting at MacWorld SF in January 2006

[Geoff Canyon]

Birds Of a Feather

http://acronymfinder.com/


On Nov 24, 2005, at 11:55 AM, Ken Ray wrote:


Uh... not to sound like an idiot here, but what does "BOF" mean?


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Re: This is what REALLY SUCKS about RunRev! - was Menubar Help

[Marty Knapp]

David Burgun wrote:

I've kept quiet about silly problems for a long tine but this just 
took the biscuit!


As for scaring people away, surely it's the bugs that scare people 
away, not me moaning about them! Or are you suggesting that it's 
better to keep quiet and that way fool them into thinking they are 
getting something they are not. Apart from ths dishonesty, I really 
don't think it will work, since if they do buy it and then hit the 
problems they will be far more upset and far more likey to just drop 
RunRev then if they knew there were these kind of stupid problems to 
start with.


Do you understand David, that this is a user list not the RunRev team? 
Some very smart and helpful people have *volunteered* to help - Ken Ray 
even invited you to send him your problem stack to take a look  -  and 
that on a holiday. Maybe if you weren't so focused on flaming the list 
you could actually make some progress! The people here are not Rev 
employees - they can't fix what is admittedly a clunky menu building 
feature, at least it's very confusing for new users. I guess if I were 
you, I woudn't tick off the people that are trying to help you!


That's my 2 cents.

Marty Knapp

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Re: This is what REALLY SUCKS about whingeing

[David Burgun]

David -

Your thread was off to a productive start, and then you derailed it 
with a random rant that benefits neither the good people on this 
list or yourself.  We all need to write a good ranting email now and 
then; the trick is to remove the "to" address so you can't send it. 
;)


lol my out box is full of RunRev rants all with empty "to" fields! 
This time was just the straw that broke.




Back to the problem at hand, have you noticed that a lot of people 
here ship a lot of apps, and nearly all of those apps have menubars?


That should have been the first clue that the menu mechanism works.


Yes, I know it *should* work, but so much of RunRev is haphazzard and 
seems to work but then something happens and it just stops working! 
The times just quttting the IDE and reloading fixes problems, or 
copying an object to a another stack, deleting it in the first stack 
and then pasting it back seems to clear problems.


With that now understood, the next step is to identify differences 
between working and non-working states.


I could find no post in which you listed your menu items.  That may 
be relevant.


It's the edit menu and the items are the same as when you hit Auto-Script, e.g.

Cut
Copy
Paste
Clear

Preferences (either eith a ... or without)



It may also be worth checking the layer order of the buttons in the 
menu group.  If you added one later it can throw off the layer 
order, and while Rev shows menus for 95% of the computing audience 
in a direct WYSIWYG way, Mac menus are a strange beast that must go 
through a separate mechanism to be drawn, and ae drawn in the order 
in which they appear in the menu group.


Yes, I read about that and have ensured I have the correct order.



Also, do you have any scripts that modify the contents of your menu items?


No, although I do enable/disable menu items and this seems to work 
fine on the edit menu, but the preferences entry does not get moved 
to the Applications menu.


If you build a simple set of menus from scratch in a fresh stack do 
you see the same problem?


If I do that, it works.

I've been unable to reproduce your circumstance, so while it doesn't 
lead us closer to understanding the root cause it does suggest that 
it's not only fully possible to what you want, it's also easy.  It 
took me only a minute to hand-build a menu bar in a fresh stack to 
try to reproduce your problem.


Hang in there.  As you say, you have a deadline. If you use what 
little time you have productively this can be solved.


The only way I could find to fix it was to delete the original Menu 
Group, create a new one, and then paste the scripts back into it. I 
then had a problem whereby the Menu appeared across the top of the 
stack window (ala Windows OS). After fishing around for ages I found 
that in the "Place Group" there was a group that was no where in any 
stack and had a weird name (something like fgttryiolk). I selected it 
(e.g. placed it) and it appeared in my stack. I then deleted from the 
stack, saved the stack, quit RunRev and restarted and then it 
worked!


Definitely a bug somewhere along the line. Just wish these stupid 
bugs would be fixed, I will have to stay up til midnight at least 
now, but at least the rest of it should go ok.


Thanks a lot for your support, I won't say sorry for the Rant, 
because sometimes I think it's better to "tell it like it is"! 
However, it was a good natured rant really and I do think RunRev is a 
fantastic beast, but really we need to able to build a menubar in 
less than a day!


All the Best
Dave


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Re: group syntax question

[Mark Wieder]

xavier-

Monday, November 21, 2005, 11:06:51 PM, you wrote:

> Mark!

> That's funny! The Active search stack uses that same function in the
> search button! ;)
> BTW, did you get my modified stack?

...that's the code I'm looking at. I sent you an email earlier today
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Rotating images . . . ?

[Mathewson]

1. When I rotate a GIF that contains transparent areas it
deteriorates . . . this is a bother . . . any bright ideas
how to cope with this one?

2. When I rotate an image by a mouse click:

on mouseUp
  rotate img "egg.gif" by 90
end mouseUp

it develops a dotted border and won't let me do it again
unless I flip between the 'browse' and 'pointer' cursors.

sincerely, Richmond

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Re: This is what REALLY SUCKS about RunRev! - was Menubar Help

[David Burgun]

Dave, it's cool. Take a deep breath. You've got a lot of love in the 
room on this list.


Complaining, making threats and playing the role of the disgruntled 
customer won't go as far here as calm discussion. Please be careful 
about dissing Runrev in particular - your careless comments could 
scare away lurkers - potential runrev users (and therefore a 
healthier business, with continued development, etc). I have no 
doubt that you will find help in this place within hours. The best 
scripters in the world hang out here.


I've kept quiet about silly problems for a long tine but this just 
took the biscuit!


As for scaring people away, surely it's the bugs that scare people 
away, not me moaning about them! Or are you suggesting that it's 
better to keep quiet and that way fool them into thinking they are 
getting something they are not. Apart from ths dishonesty, I really 
don't think it will work, since if they do buy it and then hit the 
problems they will be far more upset and far more likey to just drop 
RunRev then if they knew there were these kind of stupid problems to 
start with.


This stage (OUTRAGE+Confusion) is typical of one's self-education in 
using rev. Either it will be fixed in the next revision or we write 
a thing to go around it for now. As far as I'm concerned the gains 
in using this erector set far outweighs any glitches I encounter.


It's not "one's self-education" is a bug in RunRev! All the educating 
in world wouldn't have made it work!




Are you angry enough to write your own Menu Maker? It can be done.


Well of course it can be done! But rather negates the purpose of 
having RunRev in the first place!


Take Care and All the Best
Dave


What Gives? Why is this SUCH a difficult thing to do in RunRev? I 
don't know any other environment where this is SUCH a big deal, I 
could have done this 100 times over in C or even PowerPC assembler!


Getting to the end of a long day and I have to get this working 
tonight! I really don't want to have to tell my boss that I can't 
do this in RunRev and that the support it so bad that you can't 
even get someone to look at it!


All the Best
Dave


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Recent anger - and the new guy here

[Mathewson]

Speaking as the "older anger" . . .

One or 2 things I have learnt (through being angry) are:

1. Keep your feelings to yourself or take them out on a
punch-bag: if you get all hot and sweaty online the only
person who "benefits" is yourself.

2. Runtime Revolution, the company, is like most
organisations: good in parts - and to expect more is
probably rather disingenuous.

3. Support: if you mean answers to questions like "how do I
rotate an image through 27 degrees?" the use-list is the
place to look and ask.  While Runtime Revolution, the RAD,
has an in-built help system, it is also good in parts
insofar as it doesn't work the way everybody's brains work
(how it could beats me as we all think things out in our
own individual ways) - and takes a while to get used to.
Direct support from the company seems to involve money.

As I have, in the past, demonstrated how one can express
anger in the use-list, very effectively, and reaped the
full benefits of that expression of anger: I am surprised
that anybody, now, is so silly and naive as to express any
anger whatsoever! It is generally not a bad thing both to
learn from one's own mistakes and from those of others.

FRANK - if you want any direct answers to the less techy
type of questions (you know, the rotating images type) I am
more than happy to try and help you out off list.

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson
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[TOT] A3 Scanners

[FlexibleLearning]

Totally Off Topic... Can anyone recommend an  (affordable) A3 flatbed scanner?
/H  

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Re: Recent anger - and new guy here

[jbv]

Frank,

>
>   - What are the support options?  Do we get 100% of support via the dialog 
> in this forum, or is there a way to contact a tech support team at the 
> company and occasionally get a good answer?

there's a lot of usefull support through this forum (mainly because of the wide 
range of skills and experiences of the members),
but you can also ask [EMAIL PROTECTED], and you usually get an answer within 24 
hrs.
According to my experience, asking this list first is wiser as there's a great 
deal of chance that you get the answer within the next
couple of hours; If you need very specific details, then asking runrev support 
will answer your question.
Last but not least : one good thing about this list is that when ppl don't know 
the answer, they just keep their mouth shut, instead
of confusing everyone with off-topic theories, like in so many other lists...

>
>
>   - Are people out there making a livelihood using this product nearly 
> exclusively, or is this rare to nonexistent?

I've been making a living with this product since about 1999, either as 
employee in a company or as a free-lance programer.

>
>   [I'm a long time developer, and I have used Many tools and languages, and 
> while this thing doesn't look like the tool for All jobs, it does look like 
> The Tool for some jobs.
>   So, I start out my journey here enthusiastically until someone tells me 
> otherwise.]
>

Rev is not a tool for all jobs, but nevertheless this product allowed me to 
build about 90% of the projects I've been asked
during the past 6 years or so.
I usually say that it's the missing link between Director and CodeWarrior...

JB

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Re: Meeting at MacWorld SF in January 2006

[Ken Ray]

On 11/24/05 1:18 PM, "Jeffrey Reynolds" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> And if we get that same result this year, I bet someone will set up
> an offsite BOF. Who needs IDG?

Uh... not to sound like an idiot here, but what does "BOF" mean?


Ken Ray
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Re: Recent anger - and new guy here

[Ken Ray]

On 11/24/05 1:04 PM, "Frank R" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Ok, with the recent anger expressed, and with me being a new guy on the block,
>   let me ask some questions:
>
>   - What's the size of the company behind this product?  You don't have to
> give precise numbers, but somebody must know if this company is - a thousand
> people - doubt it, a hundred people - still probably doubt it, at least dozens
> of people - probably, and I hope, or one or two people - I don't hope this is
> the case.

Last time I checked it was about a dozen people give or take (of course this
was a year ago and things might have changed).

>   - What are the support options?  Do we get 100% of support via the dialog in
> this forum, or is there a way to contact a tech support team at the company
> and occasionally get a good answer?

Well, the support options are listed at the RunRev site
(http://support.runrev.com/pricing/support_info.php), but basically this
list is the "free" support; you can pay for email priority support or phone
support.

>   - What's the frequency of the release of minor levels and major levels of
> the software?

I don't recall specifically, but it seems like it's about 6 months between
minor releases and a year between major ones (something like that) - I might
be misremembering, so if anyone wants to chime in here, that would be great.

>   - Are people out there making a livelihood using this product nearly
> exclusively, or is this rare to nonexistent?

Yes (I am, for one). And I know several others doing this as well. I don't
know how many in total, though.

HTH,


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: OT Last week's CarTalk puzzler

[Charles Hartman]

I absolutely promise not to post on this topic any more. But having  
said something stupid I have to take it back, which requires posting,  
& trying to avoid saying something stupid . . . I think this is  
called karma.


What I neatly demonstrated had nothing much to do with the problem,  
because I was counting prime factors.


For a proof that the Ray Theorem is true, I refer anyone interested  
to a friend & colleague who's a mathematician and whom I should have  
asked before I posted anything, and who wrote as shown below.


Charles, shutting up


= snip =

Anyway, here’s an argument. Consider the positive integer n > 1.  
There are two cases to

consider.

1. Suppose √n is not an integer. (Then, of course, √n is not even  
rational but that is
another story.) Now n has at least one factor that is smaller than  
√n, namely, 1. And,
clearly, for each distinct factor of n smaller than √n, there is a  
distinct factor of n larger
than √n such that their product is n. Thus, if n is not a perfect  
square, n must have an

even number of distinct factors.

2. Suppose √n is an integer, i.e., n is a perfect square. Then  
arguing as above, for each
distinct factor of n smaller than √n, there is a distinct factor of n  
larger than √n such
that their product is n. Therefore, other than the factor √n itself,  
n has an even number
of distinct factors. But, √n, in this case, is also a factor on n.  
Therefore, if n is a perfect

square, n must have an odd number of distinct factors.

This proves that a positive integer n has an odd number of distinct  
factors if and only if

n is odd.

Now, since 1412 = 19881 and 1422 = 20164, there must be exactly 141  
lights that are left


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Re: This is what REALLY SUCKS about RunRev! - was Menubar Help

[Ken Ray]

On 11/24/05 11:21 AM, "David Burgun" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


> What Gives? Why is this SUCH a difficult thing to do in RunRev? I
> don't know any other environment where this is SUCH a big deal, I
> could have done this 100 times over in C or even PowerPC assembler!

It's not normally a big deal, but there's obviously something that's going
screwy on your side.

> Getting to the end of a long day and I have to get this working
> tonight! I really don't want to have to tell my boss that I can't do
> this in RunRev and that the support it so bad that you can't even get
> someone to look at it!

Dave, give us a break! Don't forget that this is Thanksgiving Day here in
the US, and so I'm surprised there's anyone on the list to help you at all!
I understand you're frustrated, but get some perspective here...

Now, have you sent your stack to anyone to look at? If not, you can send it
to me and I'll try and figure out what the problem is.

BTW: One thing to check might be the layering order of your menu buttons.
According to the docs:

"For a menu bar to work properly on Mac OS and OS X systems, the menus must
be in layer order within the group. That is, the button for the File menu
must be numbered 1, the button for the Edit menu must be 2, and so on."


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: bitwise Operators

[Sean Shao]

Many Thanks, Sean. :-)
No problem.. Hopefully others will find them useful and save them from the 
same headaches that I've had to go through..




You are using this code in the SHA-1 algorithm, Right?
Yes, hopefully now I can get it done now and easily track down any bugs that 
there may be..




i'm working in a md4digest handler for

Good luck and have fun =)

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Re: Menubar Help

[Sean Shao]

Have you tried:

(-
Preferences...

OR:

(-
Preferences [ option ; ]   (no space between Preferences and the option key 
command)


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Re: This is what REALLY SUCKS about whingeing

[Richard Gaskin]

David -

Your thread was off to a productive start, and then you derailed it with 
a random rant that benefits neither the good people on this list or 
yourself.  We all need to write a good ranting email now and then; the 
trick is to remove the "to" address so you can't send it. ;)


Back to the problem at hand, have you noticed that a lot of people here 
ship a lot of apps, and nearly all of those apps have menubars?


That should have been the first clue that the menu mechanism works.

With that now understood, the next step is to identify differences 
between working and non-working states.


I could find no post in which you listed your menu items.  That may be 
relevant.


It may also be worth checking the layer order of the buttons in the menu 
group.  If you added one later it can throw off the layer order, and 
while Rev shows menus for 95% of the computing audience in a direct 
WYSIWYG way, Mac menus are a strange beast that must go through a 
separate mechanism to be drawn, and ae drawn in the order in which they 
appear in the menu group.


Also, do you have any scripts that modify the contents of your menu items?

If you build a simple set of menus from scratch in a fresh stack do you 
see the same problem?


I've been unable to reproduce your circumstance, so while it doesn't 
lead us closer to understanding the root cause it does suggest that it's 
not only fully possible to what you want, it's also easy.  It took me 
only a minute to hand-build a menu bar in a fresh stack to try to 
reproduce your problem.


Hang in there.  As you say, you have a deadline. If you use what little 
time you have productively this can be solved.


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Re: Meeting at MacWorld SF in January 2006

[Jeffrey Reynolds]

A number of years back a few of us (then metacarders) met up for coffee 
at the show, was just nice to see the faces to go with the online text 
picture that had been created in my head! I am hoping a project will be 
starting in Oakland about then and I can get a trip out west to also 
attend the show and if so im game for something simple!


Jeffrey Reynolds

On Nov 24, 2005, at 5:18 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:



And if we get that same result this year, I bet someone will set up
an offsite BOF. Who needs IDG?

Dan


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Re: OT Last week's CarTalk puzzler

[Jim Hurley]

Message: 10
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 10:11:15 -0800
From: Mark Wieder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: OT Last week's CarTalk puzzler
To: How to use Revolution 
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Charles-

Thursday, November 24, 2005, 7:05:31 AM, you wrote:


 But it doesn't seem to be a necessary condition. The factors of 36 --
 by the double definition you have to use in order to make sense of 
 the statement of the problem -- are either

 1   36   2   2   3   3
 or
 1   36   2   3
 -- which counted one way amount to 6 and the other, 4, neither of 
 which is conspicuously odd. It looks to me as though old Tom is 
 wrong. Gee, does that ever happen?


???

I count the factors of 36 as being:

1 2 3 4 9 18 36

and that seems odd to me...

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Well, Mark, it is odd, but so is 1,2,3,4,6,9,12,18,36.

Moral: Better to make two slips than one, particularly when the 
answer is binary.


It is easy to miss factors. I make a little educational stack some 
time ago to automate the process:


In the message box:

go stack url "http://home.infostations.net/jhurley/PrimeNumbers.rev";

Jim


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Recent anger - and new guy here

[Frank R]

Ok, with the recent anger expressed, and with me being a new guy on the block, 
  let me ask some questions:
   
  - What's the size of the company behind this product?  You don't have to give 
precise numbers, but somebody must know if this company is - a thousand people 
- doubt it, a hundred people - still probably doubt it, at least dozens of 
people - probably, and I hope, or one or two people - I don't hope this is the 
case.
   
  - What are the support options?  Do we get 100% of support via the dialog in 
this forum, or is there a way to contact a tech support team at the company and 
occasionally get a good answer?
   
  - What's the frequency of the release of minor levels and major levels of the 
software?
   
  - Are people out there making a livelihood using this product nearly 
exclusively, or is this rare to nonexistent?
   
  Thanks.
  [I'm a long time developer, and I have used Many tools and languages, and 
while this thing doesn't look like the tool for All jobs, it does look like The 
Tool for some jobs.
  So, I start out my journey here enthusiastically until someone tells me 
otherwise.]
   
  Frank
  

Stephen Barncard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  Dave, it's cool. Take a deep breath. You've got a lot of love in the 
room on this list.

Complaining, making threats and playing the role of the disgruntled 
customer won't go as far here as calm discussion. Please be careful 
about dissing Runrev in particular - your careless comments could 
scare away lurkers - potential runrev users (and therefore a 
healthier business, with continued development, etc). I have no doubt 
that you will find help in this place within hours. The best 
scripters in the world hang out here.

This stage (OUTRAGE+Confusion) is typical of one's self-education in 
using rev. Either it will be fixed in the next revision or we write a 
thing to go around it for now. As far as I'm concerned the gains in 
using this erector set far outweighs any glitches I encounter.

Are you angry enough to write your own Menu Maker? It can be done.

>What Gives? Why is this SUCH a difficult thing to do in RunRev? I 
>don't know any other environment where this is SUCH a big deal, I 
>could have done this 100 times over in C or even PowerPC assembler!
>
>Getting to the end of a long day and I have to get this working 
>tonight! I really don't want to have to tell my boss that I can't do 
>this in RunRev and that the support it so bad that you can't even 
>get someone to look at it!
>
>All the Best
>Dave

-- 
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Re: OT Last week's CarTalk puzzler

[Mark Wieder]

Mark-

Thursday, November 24, 2005, 10:11:15 AM, you wrote:

> I count the factors of 36 as being:

> 1 2 3 4 9 18 36

 make that...

1 2 3 4 6 9 12 18 36

but it's still odd

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Re: Menubar Help

[AbilityForms]

Hi Dave,

You may not like my next suggestion but it could be the answer. Start with a 
new menubar and don't delete any of the standard menus. Add your menus before 
the last "Help" menu. I think you can disable the menu selections you don't 
want without causing problems.

Joe
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Re: bitwise Operators

[Mark Wieder]

Sean-

Thursday, November 24, 2005, 2:34:34 AM, you wrote:

> Due to the fact that the bitwise operators in RunRev do not work on signed
> integers, nor do they have shiftLeft and shiftRight, I decided to write my
> own, so here they are.. I'll put them on my website another day.. As always,
> these are released into the Public Domain.. Any questions, comments,
> suggestions feel free to email me..

Thanks. I had tried these myself and got bogged down with what happens
when one factor is negative and the other isn't.

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RE: test - please disregard

[MisterX]

Mark

this is a different address altogether.

It's possible I just mistakenly reply via 
lotus notes (wida big siga) but I hope
not... ;)

cheers
Xavier
http://monsieurx.com/taoo 
the object is the objects!

Mark Wieder Wrote 

> MisterX-
> 
> Wednesday, November 23, 2005, 11:00:42 PM, you wrote:
> 
> > Just a test with a small SIG ;)
> 
> > just to make digest readers happy
> 
> Perfect. Now... If you can place that same string before or 
> after the line with your name in your company sig, that will 
> take care of the replying problem with your corporate email address.
> 
> --
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[rev sig stripped - but it will be back :]

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Re: This is what REALLY SUCKS about RunRev! - was Menubar Help

[Geoff Canyon]

Just thought of the OS aspect -- what OS version are you running?

I just did this same thing, and it worked fine for me:

1. Created stack with menu, saw that it worked. Used Rev 2.6.
2. Saved stack and quit Rev.
3. Opened Rev.
4. Opened stack -- looked fine.

Either we're doing something different, we're using different  
versions of Rev, we're using different versions of the OS (I'm on  
Tiger), or there's something wrong with your installation.


Were I in your position I'd try restarting the computer, reinstalling  
Rev, and creating a test project from scratch. That or trying a  
different computer entirely.


gc

On Nov 24, 2005, at 9:21 AM, David Burgun wrote:

And this one appears to move the said items, however, now I can't  
get the stack to behave like a MacOS X menu. When I do this the  
menu appears across the top of the stack window. I click the "Set  
as Menu Bar on Mac OS" check box, the menu in the stack disappears.  
I then save the stack, close it and re-open it. Bang! The menu bar  
is back across the top of the stack window! I open the menu builder  
again, the MenuBar Group box contains nothing and I have to select  
it via the edit button. When I do this, the MacOS X check box is  
off again. Tried this a couple of times and got fed up!


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Re: test - please disregard

[Mark Wieder]

MisterX-

Wednesday, November 23, 2005, 11:00:42 PM, you wrote:

> Just a test with a small SIG ;)

> just to make digest readers happy

Perfect. Now... If you can place that same string before or after the
line with your name in your company sig, that will take care of the
replying problem with your corporate email address.

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Re: OT Last week's CarTalk puzzler

[Mark Wieder]

Charles-

Thursday, November 24, 2005, 7:05:31 AM, you wrote:

> But it doesn't seem to be a necessary condition. The factors of 36 --
> by the double definition you have to use in order to make sense of  
> the statement of the problem -- are either
> 1   36   2   2   3   3
> or
> 1   36   2   3
> -- which counted one way amount to 6 and the other, 4, neither of  
> which is conspicuously odd. It looks to me as though old Tom is  
> wrong. Gee, does that ever happen?

???

I count the factors of 36 as being:

1 2 3 4 9 18 36

and that seems odd to me...

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Spelling out openess

[David Bovill]

On 24 Nov 2005, at 05:01, Chipp Walters wrote:

Finally, if my above interpretation of your first post is  
incorrect, then please accept my apology.


Thanks for the kind comments (we cna all be sensitive). From my  
original post:


Now of course for a small piece of code like this - well may as  
well be given away public domain (which is dubious legally in many  
countries). But this is an example.


It should have read "just" an example... So yes i was only trying to  
make concrete the problems that occur when the legal status of such  
posts is not clear.



Sean's excellent SMTP library is an excellent example of sharing w/ 
out expecting payback.


Agreed a wonderful and generous contribution.


On 23 Nov 2005, at 22:23, Sean Shao wrote:

Well I've stated in the source code that no license is needed from  
me to use the libraries


And clearly licensed :)


The problem occurs with large collections taken from sources such as  
this list.



On 24 Nov 2005, at 03:45, Sean Shao wrote:
A legal document that you sign is legally binding whether you read  
it or not (hence the reason I read everything I sign and refuse to  
sign almost everything ;-) )


My understanding too.


On 23 Nov 2005, at 23:20, Richard Gaskin wrote:

draconian TOSes like we see on AOL and elsewhere about how posting  
here obliterates all of your rights and grants total control of  
your words to the list owner.


The idea would be to do precisely the opposite. To indicate clearly  
that such contributions were all in the public domain (note the  
problems with this) or under as free a license as possible so that  
they can be included as safely as possible in useful free or  
commercial collections - such as the fab Scripters Scrapbook.


For the same reasons, if this were part on an explicit open source  
policy, well documented, legally sorted and marketed - then it would  
put all of us in a much better position to tender for the sort of  
government contracts that Andre Garzia, myself and others have  
pointed out as being prime application areas that Revolution  
developers can play an important role in.


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Re: This is what REALLY SUCKS about RunRev! - was Menubar Help

[Stephen Barncard]

Dave, it's cool. Take a deep breath. You've got a lot of love in the 
room on this list.


Complaining, making threats and playing the role of the disgruntled 
customer won't go as far here as calm discussion. Please be careful 
about dissing Runrev in particular - your careless comments could 
scare away lurkers - potential runrev users (and therefore a 
healthier business, with continued development, etc). I have no doubt 
that you will find help in this place within hours. The best 
scripters in the world hang out here.


This stage (OUTRAGE+Confusion) is typical of one's self-education in 
using rev. Either it will be fixed in the next revision or we write a 
thing to go around it for now. As far as I'm concerned the gains in 
using this erector set far outweighs any glitches I encounter.


Are you angry enough to write your own Menu Maker? It can be done.

What Gives? Why is this SUCH a difficult thing to do in RunRev? I 
don't know any other environment where this is SUCH a big deal, I 
could have done this 100 times over in C or even PowerPC assembler!


Getting to the end of a long day and I have to get this working 
tonight! I really don't want to have to tell my boss that I can't do 
this in RunRev and that the support it so bad that you can't even 
get someone to look at it!


All the Best
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Re: This is what REALLY SUCKS about RunRev! - was Menubar Help

[David Burgun]

Ok, so I started again, did your steps:


1. Create a new mainstack
2. Open the Menu Builder on the Edit menu
3. Click the New button
4. Click the OK button
5. Select the Set as Menubar on Mac OS checkbox
6. Close the Menu Builder
7. Choose the Browse tool
8. Click on the new stack



And this one appears to move the said items, however, now I can't get 
the stack to behave like a MacOS X menu. When I do this the menu 
appears across the top of the stack window. I click the "Set as Menu 
Bar on Mac OS" check box, the menu in the stack disappears. I then 
save the stack, close it and re-open it. Bang! The menu bar is back 
across the top of the stack window! I open the menu builder again, 
the MenuBar Group box contains nothing and I have to select it via 
the edit button. When I do this, the MacOS X check box is off again. 
Tried this a couple of times and got fed up!


What Gives? Why is this SUCH a difficult thing to do in RunRev? I 
don't know any other environment where this is SUCH a big deal, I 
could have done this 100 times over in C or even PowerPC assembler!


Getting to the end of a long day and I have to get this working 
tonight! I really don't want to have to tell my boss that I can't do 
this in RunRev and that the support it so bad that you can't even get 
someone to look at it!


All the Best
Dave


Hi,

I've tried all that! Still doesn't work.

If I create a new menu from the menu builder in a new stack all is 
fine, but I can't make the one I have now work correctly. I have 
checked the spelling, but anyway it must be correct since I get the 
warning dialog if I change it to something other than "Preferences" 
or "Preferences...".


As far as I can tell there are no spurious characters after the last 
line of the items list, also the warning dialog tends to support 
this.


Thanks a lot
All the Best
Dave


On Nov 24, 2005, at 7:58 AM, David Burgun wrote:

The thing that gets my goat is the if I change the prefrences menu 
item to "PreferencesXXX", a dialog appears tell me that this item 
will not not be moved to the Application menu! What a Croc! It 
doesnt get moved anyway!!!


As a troubleshooting aid, try this:

1. Create a new mainstack
2. Open the Menu Builder on the Edit menu
3. Click the New button
4. Click the OK button
5. Select the Set as Menubar on Mac OS checkbox
6. Close the Menu Builder
7. Choose the Browse tool
8. Click on the new stack

At this point the menus should change to the minimum set created 
with the Menu Builder. Check the Revolution menu to see if the 
Preferences... item is there. If all is well it should be. Check 
the Edit menu to see if the Preferences item is there. If all is 
well it shouldn't be.


If the default menu created by the Menu Builder worked, then try to 
figure out what is different between the menu it created and the 
one that isn't working. As possibilities, consider: is Preferences 
spelled exactly the same (copy and paste it to be sure); is 
Preferences the last item on the menu; is there a stray return 
character after it.


If the default menu created by the Menu Builder didn't work, 
consider reinstalling Revolution, or try on a different computer.


regards,

Geoff
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Re: OT Last week's CarTalk puzzler

[Jim Hurley]

Charles Hartman wrote:

Interesting. At first it looks straightforward:

1. If a factor is by definition an integer that when multipilied by 
another integer
	yields the number we're interested in as a product, then factors 
have to come

in pairs. (It takes two to multiply.)
2. "Odd number of factors" is therefore a contradiction in terms, 
unless "factor" is

shifted to mean "unique factor".
3. If a number has a pair of factors that are identical (so not 
unique, so they only
	"count" once), then it's the product of that factor (which provably 
can't be
	either 1 or the number itself), times that factor, which is the 
definition of a

square.

So "having an odd number of factors" is a sufficient condition for 
being "a square".


But it doesn't seem to be a necessary condition. The factors of 36 -- 
by the double definition you have to use in order to make sense of 
the statement of the problem -- are either

1   36   2   2   3   3
or
1   36   2   3



Charles,

The factors of 36 are 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 9, 12, 18, and 36; an odd number 
of factors as the theorem predicts.


The factors of 32 are 1, 2, 4, 8, 16,  and 32; an even number of 
factors, again consistent with the theorem.


The only way  I know to solve this problem, i.e. show that the number 
of factors of a given number is odd, if and only if the number is a 
perfect square, is to express the number as a product of primes.


For example 36 = 2^2 * 3^2

And 32 = 2^5

In case anyone wants to pursue this further, I will quit here. Beauty 
is best enjoyed if you discover it for yourself.


Jim

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Re: This is what REALLY SUCKS about RunRev! - was Menubar Help

[Geoff Canyon]

The warning is generated by the development environment, the actual  
moving is done by the engine. So it is entirely possible for:


1. it to warn you that it won't be moved, but it does get moved
2. it not to warn you that it won't be moved, but it doesn't get moved
3. it to warn you that it won't be moved, and it isn't moved
4. it not to warn you that it won't be moved, and it does get moved.

Have you tried copying the contents of the edit menu that does work  
and pasting them into the menu that does not?


(Just confirming) the About item _does_ move, and the Preferences  
item doesn't?


Have you tried replacing the entire menu bar group of buttons with  
the ones that do work?


gc

On Nov 24, 2005, at 8:58 AM, David Burgun wrote:


I've tried all that! Still doesn't work.

If I create a new menu from the menu builder in a new stack all is  
fine, but I can't make the one I have now work correctly. I have  
checked the spelling, but anyway it must be correct since I get the  
warning dialog if I change it to something other than "Preferences"  
or "Preferences...".


As far as I can tell there are no spurious characters after the  
last line of the items list, also the warning dialog tends to  
support this.


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Re: This is what REALLY SUCKS about RunRev! - was Menubar Help

[David Burgun]

Hi,

I've tried all that! Still doesn't work.

If I create a new menu from the menu builder in a new stack all is 
fine, but I can't make the one I have now work correctly. I have 
checked the spelling, but anyway it must be correct since I get the 
warning dialog if I change it to something other than "Preferences" 
or "Preferences...".


As far as I can tell there are no spurious characters after the last 
line of the items list, also the warning dialog tends to support this.


Thanks a lot
All the Best
Dave


On Nov 24, 2005, at 7:58 AM, David Burgun wrote:

The thing that gets my goat is the if I change the prefrences menu 
item to "PreferencesXXX", a dialog appears tell me that this item 
will not not be moved to the Application menu! What a Croc! It 
doesnt get moved anyway!!!


As a troubleshooting aid, try this:

1. Create a new mainstack
2. Open the Menu Builder on the Edit menu
3. Click the New button
4. Click the OK button
5. Select the Set as Menubar on Mac OS checkbox
6. Close the Menu Builder
7. Choose the Browse tool
8. Click on the new stack

At this point the menus should change to the minimum set created 
with the Menu Builder. Check the Revolution menu to see if the 
Preferences... item is there. If all is well it should be. Check the 
Edit menu to see if the Preferences item is there. If all is well it 
shouldn't be.


If the default menu created by the Menu Builder worked, then try to 
figure out what is different between the menu it created and the one 
that isn't working. As possibilities, consider: is Preferences 
spelled exactly the same (copy and paste it to be sure); is 
Preferences the last item on the menu; is there a stray return 
character after it.


If the default menu created by the Menu Builder didn't work, 
consider reinstalling Revolution, or try on a different computer.


regards,

Geoff
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Re: test - please disregard

[Stephen Barncard]

NICE! Thanks!

Just a test with a small SIG ;)


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Re: This is what REALLY SUCKS about RunRev! - was Menubar Help

[David Burgun]

Doesn't matter if I put:

Preferences
Preferences... (three dots)
or
Preference (Option+;), still doesn't get moved.

Also interestingly enough, if I type:

Preferences
Preferences... (three dots)

I do not get the warning, meaning it's "happy" that with the spelling

However:

Preference (Option+;)

Gives the warning! Meaning it's not happy with the spelling!

Thanks a lot
Dave



Yes Dave, I wrote "Preferences..." with three dots :-)

Le 24 nov. 05 à 17:18, David Burgun a écrit :


Yes I know it says that! But it doesn't DO that!

The last 2 lines in the Edit Menu:

-  (separator)
Preferences

This does NOT get moved to the Applications menu.



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Re: This is what REALLY SUCKS about RunRev! - was Menubar Help

[Geoff Canyon]

On Nov 24, 2005, at 7:58 AM, David Burgun wrote:

The thing that gets my goat is the if I change the prefrences menu  
item to "PreferencesXXX", a dialog appears tell me that this item  
will not not be moved to the Application menu! What a Croc! It  
doesnt get moved anyway!!!


As a troubleshooting aid, try this:

1. Create a new mainstack
2. Open the Menu Builder on the Edit menu
3. Click the New button
4. Click the OK button
5. Select the Set as Menubar on Mac OS checkbox
6. Close the Menu Builder
7. Choose the Browse tool
8. Click on the new stack

At this point the menus should change to the minimum set created with  
the Menu Builder. Check the Revolution menu to see if the  
Preferences... item is there. If all is well it should be. Check the  
Edit menu to see if the Preferences item is there. If all is well it  
shouldn't be.


If the default menu created by the Menu Builder worked, then try to  
figure out what is different between the menu it created and the one  
that isn't working. As possibilities, consider: is Preferences  
spelled exactly the same (copy and paste it to be sure); is  
Preferences the last item on the menu; is there a stray return  
character after it.


If the default menu created by the Menu Builder didn't work, consider  
reinstalling Revolution, or try on a different computer.


regards,

Geoff
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Re: Menubar Help

[David Burgun]

Had a look, it just says the same thing:

Make the last 2 lines of the edit menu:

--
Preferences

and they will automatically be moved to the applications menu under MacOS X.

Doesn't happen.

Thanks anyway and All the Best
Dave



On Nov 24, 2005, at 4:40 AM, David Burgun wrote:

Well after doing a load of searching I found some documentation on 
the menu bar. I am running under MacOS X. I did as the docs say and 
setup an Edit Menu with the last two items set to:


Have you looked at the scripting conference stack on Menus?  Perhaps 
that would help.





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Re: This is what REALLY SUCKS about RunRev! - was Menubar Help

[Eric Chatonet]

Yes Dave, I wrote "Preferences..." with three dots :-)

Le 24 nov. 05 à 17:18, David Burgun a écrit :


Yes I know it says that! But it doesn't DO that!

The last 2 lines in the Edit Menu:

-  (separator)
Preferences

This does NOT get moved to the Applications menu.



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Re: Menubar Help

[Trevor DeVore]

On Nov 24, 2005, at 4:40 AM, David Burgun wrote:

Well after doing a load of searching I found some documentation on  
the menu bar. I am running under MacOS X. I did as the docs say and  
setup an Edit Menu with the last two items set to:


Have you looked at the scripting conference stack on Menus?  Perhaps  
that would help.





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Re: This is what REALLY SUCKS about RunRev! - was Menubar Help

[David Burgun]

Yes I know it says that! But it doesn't DO that!

The last 2 lines in the Edit Menu:

-  (separator)
Preferences

This does NOT get moved to the Applications menu.

If (in an effort to try to track down the problem) I change it to
PreferenceXXX I get the warning, (so it is pretending to work), I hit
hit cancel leaving the last item as "Preferences", it DOES NOT move
them to the Applications Menu, they remain in the Edit menu!

This what I am moaning about! How can I get it to move them as
documented? I do the same thing with the Help Menu for the About Box
and this works just fine, so why not the Edit Menu?

Thanks a lot
Cheers
Dave


Hi Dave,

Guide lines on Mac OS say that the menu item for Prefs must be only
*Preferences...*
So, according to the guide lines, Rev moves only such an item and
skips PreferencesXXX :-)

Le 24 nov. 05 à 16:58, David Burgun a écrit :


The thing that gets my goat is the if I change the prefrences menu
item to "PreferencesXXX", a dialog appears tell me that this item
will not not be moved to the Application menu! What a Croc! It
doesnt get moved anyway!!!


Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.

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Re: This is what REALLY SUCKS about RunRev! - was Menubar Help

[Eric Chatonet]

Hi Dave,

Guide lines on Mac OS say that the menu item for Prefs must be only  
*Preferences...*
So, according to the guide lines, Rev moves only such an item and  
skips PreferencesXXX :-)


Le 24 nov. 05 à 16:58, David Burgun a écrit :

The thing that gets my goat is the if I change the prefrences menu  
item to "PreferencesXXX", a dialog appears tell me that this item  
will not not be moved to the Application menu! What a Croc! It  
doesnt get moved anyway!!!


Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.

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This is what REALLY SUCKS about RunRev! - was Menubar Help

[David Burgun]

This is what REALLY SUCKS about RunRev.

You build an application and after lots of blood sweat and tears 
caused by poor docmenation and lack of any support from RunRev Ltd, 
only to find that you can't get a simple thing like a preferences 
menu to work as documented. I've been trying to get this simple thing 
to work for most of the day. Any benefit gained in terms of 
development by using RunRev totally gone because a simple thing like 
a preference menu item won't work!


The thing that gets my goat is the if I change the prefrences menu 
item to "PreferencesXXX", a dialog appears tell me that this item 
will not not be moved to the Application menu! What a Croc! It doesnt 
get moved anyway!!!


The really infuriating thing is that there is absolutely nothing you 
can do to even try to troubleshoot it given the poor state of the 
documentation, so you are left at the mercy of the good people on 
this list.


Sorry for the rant but upagainst a deadline and I felt it just needed 
to be said!


All the Best
Dave


Hi,

Well after doing a load of searching I found some documentation on 
the menu bar. I am running under MacOS X. I did as the docs say and 
setup an Edit Menu with the last two items set to:


--
Preferences

However when I run the App under the IDE, the last two items of the 
Edit Menu have NOT been deleted. There is a Preferences Item in the 
application menu, but it is Disabled. I can select Preferences from 
the Edit menu and it works ok.


I have done the same for the About this Application menu Item, but 
in this case the last two items of the Help Menu DO get deleted and 
the the "About XX" item is Enabled in the Application Menu and 
if I select it works!


Does anyone have any clue how to make this work correctly under MacOS X

Thanks in Advance.
All the Best
Dave

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Re: Error - Image turns to Black when mirroring then resizing

[Klaus Major]

Hi Jason,


Hi,

Thanks Xavier for confirming the bug.


Looks like Windows only, works fine on a mac.
The program I am developing has to allow the user the flexibility  
to mirror

the image then resize it whenever they choose.

Does anybody know of a work around?


Yep, adjust this to your needs:

...
flip img "original" horizontal
create image
set the rect of last img to the rect of img "original"
## we need the same dimensions because we are
## using "the imagedata"!

set the imagedata of last img to the imagedata of img "original"
## happy resizing :-)

## Now you can hide or delete or do whatever with img "original"
...

Tested and works here on Win XP Home.


Thanks again

Jason


Regards

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Re: bitwise Operators

[Alejandro Tejada]

om Thu, 24 Nov 2005 
Sean Shao wrote:

> Due to the fact that the bitwise operators 
> in RunRev do not work on signed integers, 
> nor do they have shiftLeft and shiftRight, 
> I decided to write my own, so here they are.. 

Excellent! 
Many Thanks, Sean. :-)

> I'll put them on my website another day.. 
> As always, these are released 
> into the Public Domain.. 

This is great, but when i use your handlers,
i'll include your name and website in 
your code like this:

function bitwiseAnd p1, p2  -- in other languages  ( 9
& 2 )
-- By Sean Shao, (and name of your website)

> Any questions, comments, suggestions 
> feel free to email me..

You are using this code in the SHA-1 algorithm, Right?

i'm working in a md4digest handler for 
implementing a rSync client in RunRev.
Hope that it'll be fast enough to be usable.

Thanks again for sharing your work!

alejandro



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Re: Polling Search Engines

[Stephen Barncard]

If your app is really that useful, why don't you make the API ID 
customizable so the user can obtain his/her own id?? Perhaps 
streamline or explain the application process for the user. Google 
happy, you happy, client happy.


This will defer any harm to you. And it might be hard for one person 
to use 1000/queries/day.


sqb


Martin-

Wednesday, November 23, 2005, 1:04:19 AM, you wrote:


 



 for how to sign up for a developer key for the Google APIs. Last I heard
 you get 1000 queries per day, each of which may return max 10 results.


And therein lies the rub. If I, say, create an app that uses the
Google API it's linked to my Google developer id. If I then
distribute that app, my developer id is responsible for *all* those
accumulated queries. If my app becomes wildly popular and 1001 people

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Dragging hand cursor

[Mark Schonewille]

Hi all,

For a project, I needed a dragging hand cursor. Making cursors 
in Rev without corrupting the image isn't easy. So, I decided to 
share this with you to save you the hassle.


I created a stack with a dragging hand image. This image will 
show up correctly as a cursor, after executing


set the cursor to 

You can download the stack from the downloads section at 
.


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Re: OT Last week's CarTalk puzzler

[Charles Hartman]

Interesting. At first it looks straightforward:

1. If a factor is by definition an integer that when multipilied by  
another integer
	yields the number we're interested in as a product, then factors  
have to come

in pairs. (It takes two to multiply.)
2. "Odd number of factors" is therefore a contradiction in terms,  
unless "factor" is

shifted to mean "unique factor".
3. If a number has a pair of factors that are identical (so not  
unique, so they only
	"count" once), then it's the product of that factor (which provably  
can't be
	either 1 or the number itself), times that factor, which is the  
definition of a

square.

So "having an odd number of factors" is a sufficient condition for  
being "a square".


But it doesn't seem to be a necessary condition. The factors of 36 --  
by the double definition you have to use in order to make sense of  
the statement of the problem -- are either

1   36   2   2   3   3
or
1   36   2   3
-- which counted one way amount to 6 and the other, 4, neither of  
which is conspicuously odd. It looks to me as though old Tom is  
wrong. Gee, does that ever happen?


Charles


On Nov 24, 2005, at 9:31 AM, Jim Hurley wrote:



Message: 10
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 21:19:31 -0500
From: Charles Hartman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: OT Last week's CarTalk puzzler
To: How to use Revolution 
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On Nov 23, 2005, at 6:07 PM, Jim Hurley wrote:



 All those numbers are called perfect squares. And only they have  
an  odd number of factors, because one of the factors is the  
square  root of the number in question. For example, nine has  
three  factors, 1 and 9 and 3.  [I confess, I can't see how this  
follows.  Jim]



Well, because 9 has four factors -- 1, 3, 3, and 9 -- two of which  
are assigned to the same chain-puller, who however only pulls the  
chain once.


Charles




Charles,

I expressed myself badly. What I meant was that I didn't see how  
this one example proved the theorem. A proof needs to show how the  
theorem follows for all perfect squares and only for perfect  
squares, i.e. it must be both a necessary  and sufficient condition.


Jim
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Error - Image turns to Black when mirroring then resizing

[Jason - Polydiam Industries Limited]

Hi,

Thanks Xavier for confirming the bug.

The program I am developing has to allow the user the flexibility to mirror
the image then resize it whenever they choose.

Does anybody know of a work around?

Thanks again

Jason




Xavier Said:

>Hi Jason,

>I confirm... happens on my PCs...

>However if you resize it first and then flip it it should work ok...

>Rotating images gives the same bug result btw...

>cheers
>Xavier


Jason - Polydiam Industries Limited said:
Hi,
>
>
>
I've got an error that keeps occurring with my program where a loaded
image
turns completely black.
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>
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I'm using an image area to dynamically load in images.
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On a button I use the Mirror function on the image.
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flip image "Target Image" horizontal
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choose browse tool
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then if I use a button to resize the image
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set the height of image "Target Image" to 400
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the image area turns completely black and I don't know why.
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Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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>
Regards
>
Jason
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Re: OT Last week's CarTalk puzzler

[Jim Hurley]

Message: 10
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 21:19:31 -0500
From: Charles Hartman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: OT Last week's CarTalk puzzler
To: How to use Revolution 
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On Nov 23, 2005, at 6:07 PM, Jim Hurley wrote:



 All those numbers are called perfect squares. And only they have an 
 odd number of factors, because one of the factors is the square 
 root of the number in question. For example, nine has three 
 factors, 1 and 9 and 3.  [I confess, I can't see how this follows. 
 Jim]



Well, because 9 has four factors -- 1, 3, 3, and 9 -- two of which 
are assigned to the same chain-puller, who however only pulls the 
chain once.


Charles




Charles,

I expressed myself badly. What I meant was that I didn't see how this 
one example proved the theorem. A proof needs to show how the theorem 
follows for all perfect squares and only for perfect squares, i.e. it 
must be both a necessary  and sufficient condition.


Jim
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Re: Menubar Help

[David Burgun]

Hi Joe,

Yes, I agree the Menubar handling is very poor and not helped by 
poor/wrong documentation and I can't find one cross-platform example 
that uses the menu bar.


I tried what you suggested but no joy! The preferences Menu Item in 
the Application Menu is still disabled and the last two items in the 
edit menu have NOT been deleted.


Any help on this greatly appreciated.

All the Best
Dave



At 8:11 AM -0500 24/11/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi Dave,

I guess I'm losing some of my newbie status when I can finally help somewhat,
Everyone has been so helpful to me.

Others will contribute more about this I'm sure.

So far in my experience in transferring from HyperCard the most frustrating
part is dealing with the menubar. I have found mostly by trial and error that
the menu builder is quirky. If it doesn't work right go to the 
inspector of the

menubar group you are working on and either switch off "Behave as Background"
or switch it on. It MAY help you.

Joe,
Orlando, Florida
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apostrophe display with text files and quicktime

[Charles Silverman]

Help!. I have an apostrophe/smart quote problem with the caption text  
files that I generate through Rev.


I'm using Rev as the programming environment for an editor to caption  
quicktime videos.


I've run into a problem with apostrophes turning into garbled text  
when quicktime plays, much like the classic curly quote problem.


See the videos on http://www.dx.org/universal/workshops.htm#videos   
for examples of the above. I haven't encountered the problem before  
but suspect that this particular server is a Windows server.


I've been using the write to file command to generate the quicktime  
text file. I'm assuming that if Rev somehow generated a text file  
with the right kind of apostrophe type then quicktime would handle  
things correctly.


Any thought appreciated.

Thanks,
Charles



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