date:20051213

I would be interested in seeing more details about how you managed to set up
MVC architecture in Rev, which lacks object orientation and therefore seems
to me to defy the ability to do so. But I'm willing and eager to learn. I'm
a HUGE fan of MVC.

On 12/12/05, David Bovill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 have just started using an MVC (model view controller) architecture
> for all my Rev apps - which has been a lot of work figuring out how
> best to do it.

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RE: how to beat confabulator

Wouldn't it be nice to earn votes by posting bugzillas? ;) 

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
> Mark Wieder
> Sent: Wednesday, 14 December, 2005 01:06
> To: 'How to use Revolution'
> Subject: Re: how to beat confabulator
> 
> MisterX-
> 
> Tuesday, December 13, 2005, 11:32:03 AM, you wrote:
> 
> > Practical question: is it easier to enter a bugzilla than find one?
> 
> Urk! Coulda sworn I looked before posting that one. OK - I 
> have now flagged mine as a duplicate of 2776 and if I had any 
> more votes I'd throw them at it as well. I'll probably end up 
> shifting votes around just to get this one more visibility.
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Re: [OT] You don't know what you've got 'till it's gone

2005-12-13 Thread Phil Davis


Go Gordon!

Phil Davis


Gordon Webster wrote:

I have always felt that one of the best things that
rev has going for it is its incredible community...


Who would want to give all that up just because...? 


Not me.

Flitting between 10 different lists for my rev content
would seem to be far more arduous than just filtering
the stuff I read on one list, and as others have
pointed out, having multiple lists fragments an
already small community.


Amen!

-- snip --

Or we could spoil a good thing by losing sight of what
really matters.

Joni Mitchell said it better than I could - "You don't
know what you've got till it's gone".


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[OT] You don't know what you've got 'till it's gone

2005-12-13 Thread Gordon Webster

I have always felt that one of the best things that
rev has going for it is its incredible community of
users whose collective wit, wisdom, experience and
generosity help to make working with rev something out
of the ordinary. This list is like the village pump
for the rev community - a place where issues get
discussed, collaborations get launched, business gets
transacted and yes - more than once in a while, even
problems get solved.

I've seen griping and brainstorming sessions that seed
new ideas and collaborations (today's gripe can be
tomorrow's must-have Altuit plug-in), I've seen people
recruit the services of other revvers, I've heard
conference announcements, I've learned about the
launch of new rev products ... on more than one
occasion, I've even seen the light! (thanks for
example, to Richard Gaskin who illuminated the
mysteries of the message path for me by pointing me to
one of his excellent articles on the subject).

Who would want to give all that up just because a very
small minority of the crowd that daily throng the
village pump occasionally get a litle rowdy or overly
sensitive? 

Not me.

Flitting between 10 different lists for my rev content
would seem to be far more arduous than just filtering
the stuff I read on one list, and as others have
pointed out, having multiple lists fragments an
already small community.

I would submit that if everybody on this list uses
helpful, descriptive subject lines on their emails,
respects and tolerates the diversity of modes and
opinions that our little community encompasses and
most importantly of all, extends to all comers the
respect and infectious generosity and enthusiasm that
has always characterized the rev community - there's
no reason at all that this list cannot continue to be
the invaluable resource that it always has been.

Or we could spoil a good thing by losing sight of what
really matters.

Joni Mitchell said it better than I could - "You don't
know what you've got till it's gone".

Best

Gordon

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Re: Recent Development on the Use-LIst

2005-12-13 Thread John Vokey


All,
  What a fascinating discussion, and a perfect, if ironic, example  
of why the question being debated has been resolved (in favour of one  
list) in practise.


  For the record, I agree with Dan (which happens less often than I  
routinely think it should given I own most of his books, but I  
digress).  One feature of the discussion that has fascinated me most  
(and should have led me to put [OT] in the Subject, but again, I  
digress, and, at any rate, this subject line is by definition OT) is  
the confusion between freedoms and rights.  We (well most of us,  
anyway, given our current countries of residence) are *free* to think  
and espouse any damn thing we want, but in none of these countries do  
we have a *right* to do so. The distinction is this: rights entail  
commitments and obligations on the state and the citizens of that  
state to *ensure* those rights.  So, a state (and its citizens) are  
obligated by law to ensure your rights to, for example, privacy,  
property, personhood, and so on.  Freedoms are different.  You are  
free to exercise these ``free'' acts, but the state (and its  
citizens) are not obligated in any way to ensure that you can do so.   
They cannot, as a rule, actively prevent such action, but, again, are  
not required, either, to facilitate them.  Free speech is one such  
freedom.  Free thought is another.  You are free to think any damn  
fool thing you can mentally entertain, but there is no incumbent  
obligation on the state, the citizens of that state, the internet,  
and the citizens of the internet, or, the point and most important  
for current purposes, use-revolution@lists.runrev.com to provide a  
vehicle for you to express those thoughts.  It (and we) may tolerate  
them, even ``respect'' them (I use scare quotes because I really  
don't know what respecting a thought or belief actually means), but  
we do not have to provide an avenue for them:  We are, of course,  
free to do so, but we are under no obligation to do so.


Now, back to our usual philosophical wrangling, bantering, and code  
solving...


On 13-Dec-05, at 6:38 PM, Dan Shafer wrote:


Fair enough, Mark. Where should they be, then?

On 12/11/05, Mark Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


These discussions are quite interesting, but IMHO this is not the
place for them, since they do interfere with the actual utility of
the list.


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Re: Recent Development on the Use-LIst


Dan's earlier suggestion seem eminently simple

"OT:"

works for me... I can't deal with more than one mailing list.

Setting aside rancorous flames which need to be curtailed, sometimes  
its very important for us to get outside the code and look at the big  
picture. Especially if we are part of a team that must help make  
important strategic long term decisions. We work on 3-year, six- year  
planning cycles in our publications field. I find it really helpful  
to "let fly" on "blue sky" discussion about where all this should be  
going...


Why not here, if it is clean healthy exchange of insights?

if you just want to stay in the code trenches... filter "OT:" to the  
trash or any thread that is irrelevant. Of course you should be using  
a mail client that organizes by thread...


skts




On Dec 13, 2005, at 4:18 PM, Dan Shafer wrote:


Fair enough, Mark. Where should they be, then?

On 12/11/05, Mark Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



These discussions are quite interesting, but IMHO this is not the
place for them, since they do interfere with the actual utility of
the list.





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Re: Rev App Gets Cloaked by Backdrop


excellent solution! tks

skts

On Dec 13, 2005, at 1:31 AM, Klaus Major wrote:


Until this gets fixed, just "brew" your own :-)

Use an empty and "black" stack, resize it to the screenrect and  
then you really
can control it, since it will receive "resumestack" and all related  
handlers...


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Re: MVC (was Text database using custom properties)

Dave

Short answer (and admittedly over-simplistic) is that Rev doesn't lend
itself to MVC app design and construction. To do true MVC you need an
object-oriented environment, which Rev decidedly is not.

If you want to take the project you describe to MVC, I suggest you look at
an MVC-based app framework. It'll save you tons of time.

But since that's not about how to use Rev, I'll shut up now.

:-)

On 12/12/05, Dave LeYanna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> David;
>
> I read a little about the benefits of using MVC but I had a little
> trouble mapping that paradigm to Rev. One of the major issues wasn't
> really Rev related but really needed to be thought through and I came up
> blank and confused




I really would like to use MVC if I can because I am on the brink of a
> LARGE project that needs to last a long time and go through a lot of
> contortions by many different programmers over it's lifetime. We are a
> non-profit and I am "converting" an old FoxPro for DOS system that was
> started in the 80s (and still runs in a DOS window... on a 50 user
> network with some data access provided to 5 other offices across the
> state.
>
>
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Re: List Splitting - Idea

My $0.04 on this whole thing is simple.

This community is too small as it is. Fragmenting it makes no sense. As
several people have said, it doesn't take much effort or intelligence to
filter the list.

I like the idea of subject prefixes but every time it's been proposed here
it's fallen on deaf ears.

FWIW, I think a mailing list is the worst possible vehicle for ANY of this
and vastly prefer discussion boards that allow email participation. But this
community is too small for us to be expected to look in multiple places for
our daily Rev fix.

Can't we just agree that there's a lot of variety in what we're interested
in as a community and let it go at that?

Sheesh.

On 12/13/05, Dave LeYanna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I like this idea.
>
> runrevforums.com is available. Forum software is easy to setup. I can
> get the name and host it (with Runtime Revolution's blessing that is.)
> No need to moderate (much.) If one wants it all pushed to them via
> email, that's easy to do.
>
> I must admit that I like getting the email though. It typically gets
> faster response for those in need. Brackets in the [Subject] line are
> not to hard to do.
>
> The big thing for me is not to "split" the traffic into other lists. I
> find it to much work to check so many locations all the time.
>
> WAIT A SECOND! How about RSS? Half-hour digests of the list via RSS?
>
> dave
>
> Bill Marriott wrote:
>
> >Gordon Webster wrote,
> >"I for one would hate to see this list stripped of  its "Revolutionary"
> >appeal by limiting it only to discussions of rev  users' technical
> problems.
> >While such technical problems may be the  primary concern of this list,
> do
> >they really have to be it's only concern?"
> >
> >Excellent point, Gordon.
> >
> >I really don't agree with "segmenting" the list, because now we're
> supposed
> >to go to location A for "graphics," location B for "business," and pretty
> >soon it will be location C for buttons, location D for this, location E
> for
> >that...
> >
> >The problem is that each of these unofficial offshoots have a fraction of
> >the participation that this official list does. Inevitably, we'll see
> useful
> >discussions quashed with the line, "take this to such-and-such" a venue.
> To
> >me it seems like "vigilante moderation."
> >
> >As much as I really enjoy gmane as an NNTP interface to the list -- it's
> >made things MUCH easier to follow -- these "problems" segmenting is
> supposed
> >to solve would ALL be obviated if Rev put up a simple phpBB-based board
> with
> >common-sense categories. It is not difficult or expensive to do this.
> [And
> >yes, phpBB can be configured to send email to members, for those who
> prefer
> >the "push" style.] Then we would all have one place to go and people
> could
> >skip the categories they are not interested in.
> >
> >[Sorry, I don't plan to join/participate in those offshoot forums.]
> >
> >Bill
> >
> >
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Re: Recent Development on the Use-LIst

Fair enough, Mark. Where should they be, then?

On 12/11/05, Mark Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> These discussions are quite interesting, but IMHO this is not the
> place for them, since they do interfere with the actual utility of
> the list.
>
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[OT] Re: discussions, opinions and religion

This list is the only community gathering space for Revolutionaries. I
understand as well as anyone the desire to keep it largely focused on using
Revolution but if it becomes a restrictive space which actively discourages
friendly conversation and exchange of opinions on subjects that are at least
tangentially related, then I for one will be a less frequent visitor.

Maybe that would be a good thing in the eyes of some, since I seem to
instigate more than my share of off-topic conversations here. OTOH, I always
include [OT] in the subject line, which makes it easy for anyone who doesn't
want to be aware of such distractions to filter them out.

On 12/11/05, Bob Hartley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> Hi All.
>
> I think Heather was right on the ball the other day when she emphasised
> that
> this list was for discussing code etc adn tip for "USING" rev.
>
> Can we please drop all the discussions about Marketing, Personal smipes,
> using the computing crystal ball and stick to posting codeing problems adn
> their answers.
>
> It is gettin to the stage that I spend more time deleteing useless and
> pointless posts than actually reading the board.
>
> This mail is a typical example and will be my last, however, I feel
> Heather's kind words to desist have not reached some ears.
>
> All the best
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Re: Text appearing weird with Scrollbar

2005-12-13 Thread Sarah Reichelt

On 12/14/05, Jason - Polydiam.com <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm using a scrollable text box on a card.
> Some of the larger fonts I use have the top cropped off when scrolling.
> Anyways to work around this?

It sounds like you have the fixedLineHeight of the field set to true.
Either set it to false, or set the textHeight to something big enough
to display all your font sizes.

HTH,
Sarah
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Re: Export to Excel

2005-12-13 Thread Richard Gaskin


Bill Vlahos wrote:
I have a table in an appliation which I want to export to Excel. I  can 
fake it out by simply saving it as a text file with the .xls  extension 
and when the user double-clicks it, Excel will open it up.


That will fake it out but won't do any fancy Excel things like set up  
tabbed categories, etc.


Is there a better way to do this export?


The latest Office suite uses XML as the native file format.  Not sure 
how open and available it is, but it should ideally be writable since 
it's ultimately ASCII now


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Re: Export to Excel

2005-12-13 Thread Phil Davis


Hi Bill,

I once posted a Q about reading an Excel file directly in Rev but got 
zero responses.


Could you write to (or read from) an Excel file identified as an ODBC 
data source through Rev's database stuff? I've never done DB access via 
Rev and haven't studied the capabilities, but anyway that's what comes 
to mind for me.


Phil Davis


Bill Vlahos wrote:
I have a table in an appliation which I want to export to Excel. I  can 
fake it out by simply saving it as a text file with the .xls  extension 
and when the user double-clicks it, Excel will open it up.


That will fake it out but won't do any fancy Excel things like set up  
tabbed categories, etc.


Is there a better way to do this export?

I've seen some programs export it directly into Excel without going  
through a file on disk. How is that done? I assume on the Mac I could  
use AppleScript but how would I do it on Windows?


Bill Vlahos

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Text appearing weird with Scrollbar

2005-12-13 Thread Jason - Polydiam.com

I'm using a scrollable text box on a card.

 

Some of the larger fonts I use have the top cropped off when scrolling.

 

Anyways to work around this?

 

Thanks

 

Jason

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Export to Excel

2005-12-13 Thread Bill Vlahos

I have a table in an appliation which I want to export to Excel. I  
can fake it out by simply saving it as a text file with the .xls  
extension and when the user double-clicks it, Excel will open it up.


That will fake it out but won't do any fancy Excel things like set up  
tabbed categories, etc.


Is there a better way to do this export?

I've seen some programs export it directly into Excel without going  
through a file on disk. How is that done? I assume on the Mac I could  
use AppleScript but how would I do it on Windows?


Bill Vlahos
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Re: What does this "Hint" mean?

2005-12-13 Thread Sarah Reichelt

On 12/14/05, Preston Shea <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I pasted the doMenu example from the documentation:
>
> on mouseUp
> do menuItem "New Card" of menu "Object"
> end mouseUp
>
> And this error results:
>
> Type Chunk: error in chunk expression
> Object Button 1
> Line do menuItem "New Card" of menu "Object"
> Hint (&Object Inspector
>
> Can anyone tell me what the "Hint" means and/or why this script doesn't work?

Hi Preston,

Here is an example of a script I use to activate a menu item through a script:
send "menuPick " & quote & "Stack Inspector" & quote to btn "Object"
of stack "revMenuBar"

However if you are just trying to make a new card, I suggest you use
"create card" instead as that will work even in a standalone where the
revMenubar will not be present and so cannot be used.

HTH,
Sarah
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Re: Com Port Data Errors

2005-12-13 Thread Sarah Reichelt

> Baud 9600 , 8 Bits , 1 Stop
>
> Trying to send command and retrieve data at < 1 second intervals via Com Port.
>
> Something like ,
>
> repeat xx
> write "AT00" & numToChar(13) to driver COM1:
> wait - sometime
> read from driver COM1:
> put it into received
> end repeat
>
> This works great with wait time >= 1 second but errors if any faster.

Try using my Serial test stack

It uses a different method with no waiting. It writes to the com port
but has a read handler that it loops through every 5 ticks to pick up
any incoming data that might be queued.

Testing by sending "AT00" to my modem, it returns "ERROR", but it
comes back instantly.

HTH,
Sarah
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Re: Inserting XML nodes

On 12/13/05 5:18 PM, "Sumner,Walt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Does anyone know of a clean way to insert a child among a list of XML child
> nodes in a tree, rather than appending the node at the end of the parent
> node's list of children?

Sorry, the XML DLL doesn't allow you to do that. Depending on the size of
your XML structure, you might be interested in using my Transcript-based XML
Library at:

  http://www.sonsothunder.com/products/metacard/xmllib.htm

It includes the ability to add a child in the middle of other children,
among other things. The current version does not support node paths (like
the Rev DLL does), but I am just getting ready to release a new version that
does, and includes a lot of other features.

If you're interested, contact me off list and I'll tell you more...

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: how to beat confabulator

2005-12-13 Thread Charles Hartman

Marielle,

I thought I'd upload my (man is it ever) noncommercial app, the
English Metrics Tutorial, to your education site; but I don't see the
"metadata file creator" advertised on that page. (I'm using Safari,
if that makes a difference.) So I'm not sure what steps to follow.

Reply off-list if you'd prefer.

Charles Hartman

On Dec 13, 2005, at 5:05 PM, Marielle Lange wrote:

What we dont have is:
- a repository showing 2000 apps to download

More than 60 stacks in the gallery now. revolution.lexicall.org/stacks_education.php>. There is room for
more! You have a stack in free access, why not use the metadata
editor to take a screenshot and edit the file information, send me
the image file and the text file.

You have produced good quality commercial applications? Why not add
mention of your apps on the new "case studies" page: revolution.lexicall.org/wiki/tiki-index.php?
page=RevolutionCaseStudies>. The information there has been adapted
from information seen on this list. Feel free to add mention of
your own creations (Malte, your arcade engine; Eric, the cool
application you designed for senior people, etc., etc.).

I agree, this text page doesn't look that appealing and many of you
would probably like to insert a screenshot. If there is a demand
for that, I could easily create a "commercial apps case studies"
gallery that is very similar to the education gallery, with links
to your homepages rather than download options. The advantage, all
the information is kept in a metadata file that you can edit or
change as you wish. This gallery can therefore be very rapidly
updated. No favoritism, no fees required to get listed there and no
fees will ever be. Anybody gets access to this (yes, Chipp, altsql
lite would be mentioned there as soon as you send me a descriptive
document).

Advantage for the ones who produced resources: The number of users
on the wiki is ever growing (now about 100 visits a day). Created
last friday, the "case studies" list already counts 132 hits.
Advantage for the users, all existing resources and case studies
can be accessed from a single place.

This is one of the very many things WE can do that doesn't require
RunRev Ltd intervention. This is possible, this is easy. Whether
this happens or not only depends on whether you take 5 minutes to
send me your file information or write the information on the wiki.

Marielle
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Re: how do I print cards of a stack without showing the print dialog? Mac OS X

2005-12-13 Thread kee nethery



On Dec 13, 2005, at 11:30 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:


kee nethery wrote:
I have a stack that contains many cards. I print a section of  
each  card onto a single page of paper. My script goes to each  
card, issues  a print command, rinse and repeat.
I'd like to not have the print dialog appear once for each card   
getting printed. When there are a couple hundred cards, it gets   
tedious hitting the OK button a couple hundred times.
How do I tell runrev to just print one copy and to not have the  
OS  ask me for quantity etc?
Do I have to open printing, issue all the print cards, and then  
close  printing? By printing each card separately I can name them  
so that in  the job queue I can see where the printing is (which  
card is printing  next, how many are left to print).


Yes, that's it. To avoid multiple dialogs, don't close printing  
until you are done with the whole job. You could put up some kind  
of progress dialog in Rev while you are spooling the print job if  
you want to see the progress. Or just don't lock the screen, so you  
see all the cards flash by.


Since you want to print each card on a separate piece of paper,  
you'll want to insert a page break in your print loop ("print  
break") after you print each card.


Thanks Jacque!

When I did :

set the printmargins to 18,18,18,18
print card from 10,10 to 413,287
print break

That caused it to print a blank page after every printed page. Also,  
the first page printed within the defined margins. All subsequent  
pages printed shifted to the right within the same margins. So the  
first card was centered correctly, the second and subsequent cards  
had extra margin on the left and part of the image was not printed on  
the right.


Next I tried to specify the pagerect to be the size of the page of paper

set the printmargins to 18,18,18,18
print card from 10,10 to 413,287 into 0,0,432,306
print break

That caused the part of the image that would go in the margins to not  
be printed. So I had to subtract the margins from the pagerect to get  
it to work.


What finally worked was to specify the pagerect as being inside the  
margins (I suppose printRect would have been a better description for  
that parameter instead of pageRect) and to also use the print break.


set the printmargins to 18,18,18,18
print card from 10,10 to 413,287 into 18,18,414,288
print break

That still shows a difference in the left margin for the first card  
compared to subsequent cards, but at least it is now useable. I can  
live with that.


Thanks, kee



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Re: how to beat confabulator

2005-12-13 Thread Mark Wieder

MisterX-

Tuesday, December 13, 2005, 11:32:03 AM, you wrote:

> Practical question: is it easier to enter a bugzilla than find one?

Urk! Coulda sworn I looked before posting that one. OK - I have now
flagged mine as a duplicate of 2776 and if I had any more votes I'd
throw them at it as well. I'll probably end up shifting votes around
just to get this one more visibility.

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Re: You're Right -- It was HARSH

2005-12-13 Thread Chipp Walters


Richard,

I hadn't know you to be a person swayed by a single anonymous vote? I 
mean, did you really take a look at that the webpage of the guy who 
posted it?


http://www.paraboliclogic.com/main/products.html

I know you're smarter than to be such an easy influence.

I, for one, enjoy the off-shoots of this list, and hope we all don't get 
into the habit of replying "take it off list".


Let's just let Heather be the list mom.

-Chipp

Richard Gaskin wrote:


  I am so turned off by the mailing list for RunRev.
  Maybe it's just me, maybe I'm just getting too old,
  but that list just seems so full of posturing,
  politics and some serious personal podiums!

  There's just far too much bs and bantering going
  on on that list, and I'll be honest, I excpected
  it to be far more civil and mature than what I
  have seen since I subscribed.

  One or two replies by myself trying to help out
  went by without even an acknowlegement, or even
  a "piss off!".

  Though what few questions I have asked have been
  answered, but now there's just far too much junk
  flowing through there that I don't even want
  to ask questions.




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[OT] Banned (was:: List Splitting - Idea)

2005-12-13 Thread J. Landman Gay


Mathewson wrote:


Having been banned from this list from close on 2 years -
because I expressed an opinion (that many others thought
but didn't express) - and having seen something of a
similar sort coming the way of some posters from the RR
staff - I thought that it better to hive off lists than get
banned again . . .


Let's not revise history here. Runtime does not ban people for having 
ideas they don't agree with. You know why you were banned. You posted a 
raging tirade containing the foulest, filthiest language ever posted to 
this mailing list. Keep it civil and you can express any opinion you like.


I decided to respond to this primarily for the newcomers, who might 
mistakenly believe that Runtime would ban someone for expressing an 
opinion. They don't. But they do expect you to post with civility and 
respect.




I believe in free speech, however 'silly' and
'preposterous' it may seem to others: I am a big boy who
can take all the sh*t that folk want to chuck at me - if
the Runtime Revolution list is to continue as an OPEN list,
allowing EVERYTHING then its moderators have to also take
all the sh*t thrown at them and not chuck posteres off just
because what is posted throws somebody's ego out of kilter.


I suppose the asterisk is a step in the right direction. Note that free 
speech does not include profanity, especially on a privately owned list 
like this one. Again, it wasn't anyone's bruised ego that got you 
tossed. It was your own mouth.


After I read that disgusting note from you, I decided never to respond 
to you again. I return to that promise now.


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HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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Inserting XML nodes

2005-12-13 Thread Sumner,Walt


Does anyone know of a clean way to insert a child among a list of XML child
nodes in a tree, rather than appending the node at the end of the parent
node's list of children?  I am using an XML structure to store data during
and between user sessions, and ultimately to communicate with other programs.
There are a lot of optional paths through the tree, but I think their order
needs to be maintained. I can make the tree very verbose by enumerating all
of the optional paths and leaving them empty, but would rather insert paths
as needed. I don't see that the Rev library supports this directly. I have a
transcript method to move a child in a list, but it works by deleting
children and appending them back as needed - pretty terrible.

Example problems:

1. Insert "B" as Child[2] in this tree structure to create a list in the
order A, B, C, without removing the current Child[2]

 ParentList[1]
  Child[1] //contains "A"
  Child[2] //contains "C"

2. Insert MiddleInitial[1] = "W" between FirstName and LastName in this tree
structure without removing the LastName[1] child

Name[1]
 FirstName[1] //contains "George"
 LastName[1] //contains "Bush"

Any insights would be welcome.

Walt Sumner
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Re: List Splitting - Idea


Hi Dave,

Excellent suggestion. Go for it. Don't wait for runrev blessings for  
this or nothing will happen. You DON'T need their blessing (and  
anyway they will never give it simply because this would be a very  
bad management choice to encourage us to do so). phpBB is a good  
choice. Far better than Yahoo. Please go ahead.


Marielle


I like this idea.

runrevforums.com is available. Forum software is easy to setup. I  
can get the name and host it (with Runtime Revolution's blessing  
that is.) No need to moderate (much.) If one wants it all pushed to  
them via email, that's easy to do.



Gordon Webster wrote,
As much as I really enjoy gmane as an NNTP interface to the list  
-- it's made things MUCH easier to follow -- these "problems"  
segmenting is supposed to solve would ALL be obviated if Rev put  
up a simple phpBB-based board with common-sense categories. It is  
not difficult or expensive to do this. [And yes, phpBB can be  
configured to send email to members, for those who prefer the  
"push" style.] Then we would all have one place to go and people  
could skip the categories they are not interested in.


Bill


 


Marielle Lange (PhD),  Psycholinguist

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Homepage
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Button hilites

2005-12-13 Thread Graham Samuel

I sent this message yesterday but it hasn't turned up in the digests  
- I think my ISP has some problems. Apologies therefore if it's the  
second time you've seen it - G


It appears to me that if a button has style 'push button', then when  
hilited, its hilite color only shows up on the Mac and not the PC;  
whereas if the style is 'square button', then you get the color on  
both platforms. Can anyone else confirm this?


The RR docs has this on button styles:


The style of a button is one of the following:
* standard: the standard button for the current lookAndFeel setting
	* transparent: no border; name is displayed but background is  
transparent

* opaque: background is the opaque backgroundColor of the button
* rectangle: opaque rectangular or square button with a border
* roundRect: opaque rectangular or square button with rounded corners
* shadow: opaque rectangular or square button with a drop shadow
* menu: a menu whose appearance is set by the menuMode property
* checkbox: a checkbox option button
* radioButton: a radio button


note that 'push' and 'square' aren't mentioned , even though they  
both appear in the 'style' popup in the property inspector for a  
button. Fairly obviously, 'square' is a synonym for 'rectangle' in  
this context, but which one is 'push'?


I'm confused (again).

TIA

Graham

 
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Re: Magic Stocking

I heard there was but that it was frowned upon. Don't know for sure  
though.


Hint: the solution is in the RevOnline Picker authored by Eric  
Chatonnet. Now mention of many of the stacks stored in the revOnline  
has been added in the stack gallery. If anybody objects to this,  
please send me an email, I will immediately remove mention of your  
stack from the list.


Marielle
 


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Com Port Data Errors

2005-12-13 Thread Camm29

Hi ,

Baud 9600 , 8 Bits , 1 Stop

Trying to send command and retrieve data at < 1 second intervals via Com Port.

Something like ,

repeat xx
write "AT00" & numToChar(13) to driver COM1:
wait - sometime
read from driver COM1:
put it into received
end repeat 
 
This works great with wait time >= 1 second but errors if any faster.

One point is that with the same command "AT00" , HYPERTERMINAL works always 
with wait time < 1 second.

Please help , have i missed something simple

Camm
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Re: how to beat confabulator

What we dont have is:
- a repository showing 2000 apps to download

You have produced good quality commercial applications? Why not add
mention of your apps on the new "case studies" page: revolution.lexicall.org/wiki/tiki-index.php?
page=RevolutionCaseStudies>. The information there has been adapted
from information seen on this list. Feel free to add mention of your
own creations (Malte, your arcade engine; Eric, the cool application
you designed for senior people, etc., etc.).

I agree, this text page doesn't look that appealing and many of you
would probably like to insert a screenshot. If there is a demand for
that, I could easily create a "commercial apps case studies" gallery
that is very similar to the education gallery, with links to your
homepages rather than download options. The advantage, all the
information is kept in a metadata file that you can edit or change as
you wish. This gallery can therefore be very rapidly updated. No
favoritism, no fees required to get listed there and no fees will
ever be. Anybody gets access to this (yes, Chipp, altsql lite would
be mentioned there as soon as you send me a descriptive document).

Advantage for the ones who produced resources: The number of users on
the wiki is ever growing (now about 100 visits a day). Created last
friday, the "case studies" list already counts 132 hits. Advantage
for the users, all existing resources and case studies can be
accessed from a single place.

This is one of the very many things WE can do that doesn't require
RunRev Ltd intervention. This is possible, this is easy. Whether this
happens or not only depends on whether you take 5 minutes to send me
your file information or write the information on the wiki.

Marielle

Marielle Lange (PhD), Psycholinguist

Alternative emails: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Homepage
http://homepages.lexicall.org/mlange/

Easy access to lexical databaseshttp://lexicall.org
Supporting Education Technologists http://
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Re: How to make the "lists" all on the one list

2005-12-13 Thread Jerry Muelver

I think flagging off-topic subjects with an OT: prefix in the subject line 
should do the job quite nicely. One could even hang a mail rule in one's 
email client to dump all the OT:'s without downloading. Or, dump all the 
others and keep JUST the OT:'s, for that matter.


 Jerry Muelver

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RE: how to beat confabulator

I forgot how this started to work ;)

something to do with registry settings...

classes something...

I'll try to make it into an easy double clickeable reg entry.

but ultra busy days lately...

but when you click on a rev file url it downloads and open it in rev... 

still it launches another rev instance and that could overwrite some
files...

maybe I shouldn't share it for safety concerns ;)

cheers
Xavier 

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
> Marielle Lange
> Sent: Tuesday, 13 December, 2005 21:52
> To: use Revolution How to
> Subject: Re: how to beat confabulator
> 
> > The only hickup though is that if we clicked on a rev url 
> to download 
> > the widget, it would launch another instance of rev (in 
> windows) which 
> > could be disastrous (in my pro opinion as a pc user) or for 
> mac users, 
> > i might not be recognized as a rev file...
> 
> Oups, I misunderstood that. Anyway. Now, when you press on 
> the blue arrow any rev file is automatically downloaded 
> rather than displayed on the screen. Can PC users check this 
> work on IE? I have read somewhere that this may not work on 
> IE as it doesn't implement HTTP properly.
> 
> If you are curious, there are two ways to achieve this. A not 
> so safe one, using php:
>  (see header("Content-Type: application/
> force-download");)
> A safer one, using  .htaccess
> 
> ForceType application/octet-stream
> 
> 
> Marielle
> --
> --
> 
> Marielle Lange (PhD),  Psycholinguist
> 
> Alternative emails: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Homepage
> http://homepages.lexicall.org/mlange/
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> revolution.lexicall.org/wiki
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Re: List Splitting - Idea

2005-12-13 Thread Björnke von Gierke

I am against splitting the list! We are a small community, and we need 
to keep close together, or we won't get warm in this harsh world. If 
this gets too warm for some, well maybe they should try to move to the 
outer rim of the group. Only on mailing list(s) that is not possible 
without fragmenting the group.


The solution has often be demanded: Get rid of the list, make a forum 
instead!


Make it possible to:
-Put off topic posts into the right part of the forum
-Public and Members only forums
-Ignore threads that got carried away or are not your expertise
-split threads by discussion if they wander off
-detailed information about users
-possibility to have links & screenshots within posts
-No more full mailbox
-Technophiles are more comfortable with it (bigger userbase)
-...

Disadvantages:
-People who like mails need to subscribe to get mails
-It doesn't work as well with lower connection speeds
-...

greetings
BvG

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Re: List Splitting - Idea

2005-12-13 Thread Marty Knapp


Mathewson wrote:


I believe in free speech, however 'silly' and
'preposterous' it may seem to others: I am a big boy who
can take all the sh*t that folk want to chuck at me
 

I don't post much here, but I do read everything and am trying to soak 
up as much knowledge as I can. I hope that doesn't classify me as a 
lurker. Whatever the case, here's my take on it all - after the last 
round of the flame fest I was about to unsubscribe. I'm here to learn 
how to use Rev, not read rude, immature remarks. I'm not saying there 
shouldn't be a place for people to express their frustration, though 
I've long tired of childish people calling each other stinky poop heads!


And I have to ask this, with reference to Richmond's remark above, does 
free speech mean saying anything you want? That sounds like anarchy to 
me, which in my mind is very different than freedom. Freedom has 
boundaries, for the sake of others. It's fine, Richmond, that you don't 
mind taking all the sh*t people throw at you. But that doesn't mean that 
all of us are so inclined. Personally, my life has an overabundance of 
said substance and I've enjoyed the (usually) civil, courteous and 
helpful nature of this list. It bothers me when people charge in and 
puke all over everyone, so I'm all for splitting off unrelated topics :)


Marty Knapp
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How to make the "lists" all on the one list

2005-12-13 Thread Bob Hartley


Hi all.

Here is one suggestion on how to make the lists all easily accessable.
I use PDAtoolbox and they have a fantastic forum that is updated by the
second (if you want a chat, there are different sections for the chat).
Indeed, there is a members section that is not readable to non-members.

Perhaps we could have a sustem like this, so that newbies can get the info
and the oldies (eg been using the list for more than 3 months) :-) can have
a rant in the members section that is not viewable to the newbies.

That way they are not put of by OT discussions.

have a look at
http://www.pdatnutsandbolts.com/forums/

ATB
Bob
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Pretty stacks made with Runrev


Bill,

Thanks for the warning. I am used to test locally first before  
uploading and I copied the wrong address. This is of course the  
popular education gallery:




15 entries added!

Marielle
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Re: You're Right -- It was HARSH -- NOT!

On 12/13/05 10:19 AM, "Rob Cozens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> I'm not saying that a thread won't or shouldn't evolve (devolve?)
>> into a philisophical or business acumen-related discussion; it's just that
>> as soon as we notice we've gotten off track, we should either take the
>> discussion offlist, or to another list, or end the thread, so that the
>> primary purpose of the use-list can remain focused on technical issues
>> related to using Revolution.
> 
> I think splitting the List is a mistake.
> 
> No one is forced to read every post on every subject.  I have Eudora
> deliver all my use-rev mail to the trash.  I read the threads and/or
> responders whose opinions I have found worth reading, transfer any
> messages I want to keep to another mailbox, and when I quit Eudora
> the rest is gone.  I doubt I read half of the posts I received this morning.

The only problem I have with this is that when a post starts with a
technical question with a subject like "Getting htmlText to work", and then
eventually ends up in a philosophical discussion, there's no (easy) way for
filters to filter out the muck... you have to look at every post, and that's
a waste of time.

> Imagine, if you will, that we are a team of programmers working
> together on a long-term project.  What kind of synergy develops if
> every time someone brings something personal or not directly
> project-related into the conversation, another person responds, "I'm
> not interested in listening to the rest of you discuss this, so [as
> Judy so elegently put it] piss off."
> 
> People who come to the List only wanting free help with Revolution
> programming ought to accept desire of those who provide it to discuss
> other issues among themselves on the same list.

That's like saying that people who go to the movies to see a movie ought to
put up with people talking to each other about other topics than the movie.
Or that a person needing help from a contract friend in putting together an
entertainment center ought to put up with other people coming in and talking
to that friend about other topics.

In both cases, it winds up being an interruption, IMHO, even if it's an
entertaining one. 

It's not the interruptions that's the issue, IMHO, since that is part and
parcel of a mailing list. It's the fact that it's difficult to filter out
the interruptions.

So perhaps there's a happy medium... as an alternative to moving the
conversation off-list, perhaps just changing the subject line to "[OT]" and
rephrasing the discussion topic might help in the filters doing their work.
That way everyone can have their cake and eat it too. (That is, unless you
get a digest of the mailing list, in which case you're stuck reading every
post anyway...)

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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List Splitting - Idea

By the way, I object slightly to M. Lange's use of the phrase
"Yahoo Members only" - as it implies that this is some sort of
exclusive club.

I am sorry, but yahoo groups are only accessible to yahoo group
members. That's a fact. I didn't imply anything. My reserves about
yahoo groups are that (1) newcommers don't know that this information
exists and (2) resources of interest to rev users get distributed all
over the web. (3) email or forum posts don't make good and easy to
follow tutorials. For these posts to be useful to me, I have to cut
and paste bits of text and code in the flow of emails that relate to
the post. It takes a lot of time to do so.

But perhaps, I am the only person who likes to be able to locate an
information without having to spend 1-2 hours on the web every day to
get to know if any useful information has been posted somewhere.
Perhaps, I am the only person who likes not to have to change of
editing environment every 5 minutes to check out the different
sources of information

A few reactions suggest it is not the case. So what about the old
idea of automatically stripping some content from the list or
deciding of some standards for topic or content coding? We should
probably have this discussion somewhere else, like revolution.lexicall.org/wiki/tiki-view_forum.php?forumId=9> . Forum
to discuss "changes in discussion lists".

I don't try to get this topic out of this list. It is simply that we
have the best chance of something constructive happening if a small
group of persons who are ready to *DO* something to improve on the
current situation get together and discuss the options.

Otherwise, we will just continue to play tennis on this list (having
persons state one point of view and then others the opposite one and
nothing happening).

Marielle

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Re: how to beat confabulator


The only hickup though is that if we clicked on a rev url to
download the widget, it would launch another instance of
rev (in windows) which could be disastrous (in my pro opinion
as a pc user) or for mac users, i might not be recognized as
a rev file...


Oups, I misunderstood that. Anyway. Now, when you press on the blue  
arrow any rev file is automatically downloaded rather than displayed  
on the screen. Can PC users check this work on IE? I have read  
somewhere that this may not work on IE as it doesn't implement HTTP  
properly.


If you are curious, there are two ways to achieve this. A not so safe  
one, using php:
 (see header("Content-Type: application/ 
force-download");)

A safer one, using  .htaccess

ForceType application/octet-stream


Marielle
 


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Re: Magic Stocking

2005-12-13 Thread Thomas McGrath III

I heard there was but that it was frowned upon. Don't know for sure  
though.



Tom

On Dec 13, 2005, at 6:52 AM, Marielle Lange wrote:


Thanks Tom,

Looks nice. Is there anyway to make an "http://"; link to the stacks  
in the revOnline repository?


Marielle

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Re: Oh Christ... Image Name?

2005-12-13 Thread Thomas McGrath III


Jim,

Very cool.

Tom
On Dec 13, 2005, at 1:52 AM, Jim Ault wrote:

Its all about management and control.  Precious little of that  
flows toward

me throughout the day :-)

Jim Ault
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List Splitting - Idea

2005-12-13 Thread Mathewson

Frankly, as moderator of the 'rev-biz' list and the starter
of the 'RRGraphix' list, I can honestly say that I would
rather everything was all in the one list.

BUT . . .

Having been banned from this list from close on 2 years -
because I expressed an opinion (that many others thought
but didn't express) - and having seen something of a
similar sort coming the way of some posters from the RR
staff - I thought that it better to hive off lists than get
banned again . . .

I believe in free speech, however 'silly' and
'preposterous' it may seem to others: I am a big boy who
can take all the sh*t that folk want to chuck at me - if
the Runtime Revolution list is to continue as an OPEN list,
allowing EVERYTHING then its moderators have to also take
all the sh*t thrown at them and not chuck posteres off just
because what is posted throws somebody's ego out of kilter.

When Ms Nagey and Co. signal that the RR use-list is truly
OPEN I will be the first person to close down my
"schismatic sect" and start doing 'puja' back here.

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Re: how do I print cards of a stack without showing the print dialog? Mac OS X

2005-12-13 Thread J. Landman Gay


kee nethery wrote:
I have a stack that contains many cards. I print a section of each  card 
onto a single page of paper. My script goes to each card, issues  a 
print command, rinse and repeat.


I'd like to not have the print dialog appear once for each card  getting 
printed. When there are a couple hundred cards, it gets  tedious hitting 
the OK button a couple hundred times.


How do I tell runrev to just print one copy and to not have the OS  ask 
me for quantity etc?


Do I have to open printing, issue all the print cards, and then close  
printing? By printing each card separately I can name them so that in  
the job queue I can see where the printing is (which card is printing  
next, how many are left to print).


Yes, that's it. To avoid multiple dialogs, don't close printing until 
you are done with the whole job. You could put up some kind of progress 
dialog in Rev while you are spooling the print job if you want to see 
the progress. Or just don't lock the screen, so you see all the cards 
flash by.


Since you want to print each card on a separate piece of paper, you'll 
want to insert a page break in your print loop ("print break") after you 
print each card.


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RE: how to beat confabulator

> Tuesday, December 13, 2005, 8:49:11 AM, you wrote:
> 
> > The only hickup though is that if we clicked on a rev url 
> to download 
> > the widget, it would launch another instance of rev (in 
> windows) which 
> > could be disastrous (in my pro opinion as a pc user) or for 
> mac users, 
> > i might not be recognized as a rev file...
>  
> BZ #3248
> 
> --
> -Mark Wieder

not something I haven't told Scott over half a decade ago...

just an old feature that needs severe voting for next revoversion...

repeated over the years in the lists (metacard and rev)

and I came before ya!

http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=2776 

read X's bugs before entering one for windows or that hasn't been mentioned
before in the list!

;) If I had a penny for every bug in rev I couldn't just renew my license
forever ;) Wasn't there something like said about Bill Gates? oops... Bugs
are good to know Developpers that fix their bugs get ahead of those who
don't ;)

Practical question: is it easier to enter a bugzilla than find one?

cheers
X
http://monsieurx.com/taoo - working on IT...

> -Original Message-
> From: Mark Wieder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Tuesday, 13 December, 2005 20:15
> To: MisterX
> Subject: Re: how to beat confabulator
> 
> MisterX-
> 
> Tuesday, December 13, 2005, 8:49:11 AM, you wrote:
> 
> > The only hickup though is that if we clicked on a rev url 
> to download 
> > the widget, it would launch another instance of rev (in 
> windows) which 
> > could be disastrous (in my pro opinion as a pc user) or for 
> mac users, 
> > i might not be recognized as a rev file...
>  
> BZ #3248
> 
> --
> -Mark Wieder
>  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 

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Re: xcmds

2005-12-13 Thread Alejandro Tejada

on Sun, 11 Dec 2005
Mark Wieder wrote:

> Gary's book was the bible for developing XCMDs, 
> but it won't help much for runrev external 
> development these days

That's a real pity! :-(

> The interface to external libraries is entirely 
> different. HC passed and returned a pointer to a 
> structure of parameters; the runrev/MetaCard engine 
> passes parameters as individual strings and
> returns a single parameter.

Well, my adventures in xcmd land are
about to begin... ;-)
i'll be asking for directions from time to time.

Hope to find time to write a log of my
adventures (sucess and mistakes)
in this speciality of RR/MC/DC programming.

First, i'll learn to get text and numbers 
from variables and fields for processing
and return back to RR/MC/DC.

Mark, Could you direct me to references,
writings or advice about xcmd programming
in this platform?

Thanks in advance!

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Re: MVC (was Text database using custom properties)

2005-12-13 Thread Mark Wieder

Dave-

Tuesday, December 13, 2005, 4:40:57 AM, you wrote:

> Thanks Mark, I'll take a look. I want to put the business rules in the
> model as well. In fact I want to put as much as I can in the model 
> because one of the problems we have had over the years is having 
> different programmers implementing almost the same business logic in
> different programs and the logic changes but not all the programs do...
> It would require a strange MVC setup to place that in the model.

That was the idea; that the model would contain the business rules
that glue the controllers and viewers together. Then when the business
rules change you just have to change them in one place in the model
and it takes care of dispatching the messages at the right times to
the right objects.

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Re: Advice on Messaging System

2005-12-13 Thread Mark Wieder

David-

Tuesday, December 13, 2005, 5:26:32 AM, you wrote:

> Does anyone know of a better way to do this? Any ideas or suggestions
> greatly appreciated.

Don't know about better, but I'm doing something very similar using
custom properties via the setProp operator and a message dispatcher
substack. Check out the MVC example on revonline. Sounds like you're
heading in the same direction.

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Re: Advice on Messaging System

> Does anyone know of a better way to do this? Any ideas or suggestions
> greatly appreciated.

Personally David, I'm thinking you're doing way too much work. ;-)

I'd switch it from a "listening" model to "notification" model. What I'd do
is create a custom property (like "uMessages") for each control that
contains a list of things they care about. Then create a single handler
called "NotifyControls" (or the equivalent) that does this:

on NotifyControls pMessage,pMessageParam
  repeat with x = 1 to the number of controls
if pMessage is among the lines of (the uMessages of control x) then
  send pMessage && pMessageParam to control x
end if
  end repeat
end NotifyControls


So when your control that switches languages, it does:

  NotifyControls "SetLanguage","Italian"

which would send the "SetLanguage" command to each control that cared. You
could then put code in the control to handle this, or let the message move
up to the card and then handle it there, or both. Personally I like the
"card handles it all and there's no code in the controls" approach, but
that's me.

HTH,

Ken Ray
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RE: Embedding images in a stack

2005-12-13 Thread Paul Malloy

Thanks to Sivakatirswami and to Richmond Mathewson for outlining two
options: (a) Develop using a disk image so the paths to images are stable
across computers, or (b) use File>Import as control>  to embed the images in
the stack. The latter approach has the potential disadvantage of making
stacks huge and overwhelming available RAM. I will probably take a hybrid
approach, embedding images but making paths to movies.I use superimposed
images to show clinical features of the brain scans interactively, and need
this to be very responsive to the user's click.

BTW, I DID look in the documentation several times prior to posting, but
this issue is not made clear there, IMHO. Perhaps I missed it.

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Re: You're Right -- It was HARSH

2005-12-13 Thread Alex Tweedly


Judy Perry wrote:


I hear what you are saying... but your clarification only supports in a
way what I was _trying_ (albeit in a less than elegant way) to say:

It started as a use-thingy and then ended up as a philosophical-thingy.
That's just natural, how humans seemingly work.

And, as such, having a separate
naughty-stool/philosophical-thingy/whatever list would NOT have prevented
it from occuring.  Because these things are seemingly  evolvingly
organically (sp?) rather than as a
hierarchically-compartmentalized-occuring sort of fashion.

 

It wouldn't have prevented it from *trying* to happen. But once the 
thread had evolved to be about philosophy/marketing, it could be easily, 
politely redirected to the other list. (Kind of like Richard did with 3 
or 4 messages in this case, sending a brief reply cc'ed to the other 
list with a quick note saying "I think this belongs on this other list").


I'm on a couple of other lists that have had to create "escape valves" 
for when discussions wandered off-topic, and that works well.


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Re: List Splitting - Idea

2005-12-13 Thread Dave LeYanna


I like this idea.

runrevforums.com is available. Forum software is easy to setup. I can 
get the name and host it (with Runtime Revolution's blessing that is.) 
No need to moderate (much.) If one wants it all pushed to them via 
email, that's easy to do.


I must admit that I like getting the email though. It typically gets 
faster response for those in need. Brackets in the [Subject] line are 
not to hard to do.


The big thing for me is not to "split" the traffic into other lists. I 
find it to much work to check so many locations all the time.


WAIT A SECOND! How about RSS? Half-hour digests of the list via RSS?

dave

Bill Marriott wrote:


Gordon Webster wrote,
"I for one would hate to see this list stripped of  its "Revolutionary" 
appeal by limiting it only to discussions of rev  users' technical problems. 
While such technical problems may be the  primary concern of this list, do 
they really have to be it's only concern?"


Excellent point, Gordon.

I really don't agree with "segmenting" the list, because now we're supposed 
to go to location A for "graphics," location B for "business," and pretty 
soon it will be location C for buttons, location D for this, location E for 
that...


The problem is that each of these unofficial offshoots have a fraction of 
the participation that this official list does. Inevitably, we'll see useful 
discussions quashed with the line, "take this to such-and-such" a venue. To 
me it seems like "vigilante moderation."


As much as I really enjoy gmane as an NNTP interface to the list -- it's 
made things MUCH easier to follow -- these "problems" segmenting is supposed 
to solve would ALL be obviated if Rev put up a simple phpBB-based board with 
common-sense categories. It is not difficult or expensive to do this. [And 
yes, phpBB can be configured to send email to members, for those who prefer 
the "push" style.] Then we would all have one place to go and people could 
skip the categories they are not interested in.


[Sorry, I don't plan to join/participate in those offshoot forums.]

Bill 




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Re: Oh Christ... Image Name?

2005-12-13 Thread Jim Ault

On 12/13/05 3:43 AM, "Jerry Muelver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> How about putting the HTMLtext of the whole line into a variable, then
> parsing the variable for a "Christmas is this month
set the imagesource of char 3 of fld displayString to "12x12BallGreen.png"

put the text of fld displayString into line 3 of tHolder
--Christmas is this month
put the htmltext of fld displayString into line 4 of tHolder
--Chistmas is this month

set the imagesource of char 3 of fld displayString to ""
put the text of fld displayString into line 5 of tHolder
--Christmas is this month
put the htmltext of fld displayString into line 6 of tHolder
--Christmas is this month

put tHolder
-
Result is
Christmas is this month
Christmas is this month
Christmas is this month
Chistmas is this month
Christmas is this month
Christmas is this month

** Note that the htmlText version is missing the 'r' if there is an
imageSource.

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Re: "use-rev" means "using Rev" (was 10,000 other threads)

2005-12-13 Thread Judy Perry

I disagree with this premise (okay,  obviously):

It is tantamount to group-think.  It presents the company with a skewed
perception of the reality and totality of its actual as well as potential
user base.  And it sets up a class-based system of users, with the 'pro's'
being higher beings than everybody else (even though some may not see
themselves that way--am I not going out of my way to qualify each and
every statement?).

People don't always 'criticize' because they hate something; sometimes
they do it because they love it and want to see it thrive (I don't think
you and I are of a strikingly different mind on this, incidentally).

But again -- these sorts of discussions nearly ALWAYS percolate out of a
technical or 'use' issue.  That's why establishing n extra groups won't
likely achieve what some say they want.

Judy

On Tue, 13 Dec 2005, Marielle Lange wrote:

> > Part of 'using' (in terms of the use-list) Rev really does
> > encompass why what's there isn't useful.
>
> My point of view too.

> You will have noticed that the
> professional users, in contrast, tend to express good to high levels
> of satisfaction.  We are free to do whatever we want. But we are not
> necessarily free to do it right in front of the nose of persons who
> said they were not interested in this kind of discussion/initiatives.
>

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video output

2005-12-13 Thread liamlambert

Yes I am on a mac.
thanks for that.
Liam
On Dec 13, 2005, at 7:44 AM, liamlambert wrote:

> sorry I forgot subject in pre message.
> Is there any way to control  video out from rev i.e. write to a
> projector.

Not sure what platform but on a Mac, this has nothing to do with
Runrev. But if you had a Mac with a "monitor" attached that was a
video projector, AND you had that "monitor" not mirroring the main
screen, but rather as an additional screen, then the question would be:

How do I locate the rectangle of the second monitor and then move my
runrev stack into that rectangle to have it display the entire stack?
Or, How do I locate the second monitor and then how do I cause the
Mac OS to change the monitor size to match the runrev stack size so
that my stack gets displayed as large as possible?

I don't know the answer to either of those questions but for sure on
a Mac, it knows nothing about a projector, all it has are multiple
monitors (if your machine supports multiple monitors, high end macs
do and low end macs do not).

Kee

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how do I print cards of a stack without showing the print dialog? Mac OS X

2005-12-13 Thread kee nethery

I have a stack that contains many cards. I print a section of each  
card onto a single page of paper. My script goes to each card, issues  
a print command, rinse and repeat.


I'd like to not have the print dialog appear once for each card  
getting printed. When there are a couple hundred cards, it gets  
tedious hitting the OK button a couple hundred times.


How do I tell runrev to just print one copy and to not have the OS  
ask me for quantity etc?


Do I have to open printing, issue all the print cards, and then close  
printing? By printing each card separately I can name them so that in  
the job queue I can see where the printing is (which card is printing  
next, how many are left to print).


Kee Nethery
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Re: video output

2005-12-13 Thread kee nethery



On Dec 13, 2005, at 7:44 AM, liamlambert wrote:


sorry I forgot subject in pre message.
Is there any way to control  video out from rev i.e. write to a
projector.


Not sure what platform but on a Mac, this has nothing to do with  
Runrev. But if you had a Mac with a "monitor" attached that was a  
video projector, AND you had that "monitor" not mirroring the main  
screen, but rather as an additional screen, then the question would be:


How do I locate the rectangle of the second monitor and then move my  
runrev stack into that rectangle to have it display the entire stack?  
Or, How do I locate the second monitor and then how do I cause the  
Mac OS to change the monitor size to match the runrev stack size so  
that my stack gets displayed as large as possible?


I don't know the answer to either of those questions but for sure on  
a Mac, it knows nothing about a projector, all it has are multiple  
monitors (if your machine supports multiple monitors, high end macs  
do and low end macs do not).


Kee
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Re: Pretty stacks made with Runrev

2005-12-13 Thread Dom

Marielle Lange <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 

pas de chance que ça marche ;-)

no chance, that doesn't work ;-)

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Re: Christmas e-cards as learning tools

2005-12-13 Thread Roger Guay

Thanks a lot for this, Alex.  This is very nice!  On my 1.5 HHz  
PowerBook running OS 10.4.3, it does have a faltering motion which I  
would like to eliminate.  The snowing scenes in the Jacquie Lawson  
Flash e-cards exhibit very smooth motion which, of course, is very  
convincing!


Cheers, Roger


Take a look at Revonline
username : alextweedly
category : Games
stack : Snow falling

It's a bit of a hack (ok, it's a lot of a hack), but demonstrates how
you could do it.
Uses polygons with markers (one polygon for each size of snowflake).

It would look much better with a background image - but that's the bit
I'd find hardest ...

If you were doing this for real, you wouldn't copy/paste the whole
script between the two buttons :-) :-)

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Re: Pretty stacks made with Runrev

2005-12-13 Thread Bill Marriott

Marielle, this link will only work on your computer. ("localhost") Got 
something we can all look at? You might wanna run the service from a 
dedicated web host, instead of your PC, btw.

Bill

Marielle Lange wrote:

> Tom and Alex's Stack have now been added to the education gallery,  with 
> link to their stack in the revonline section. My own stacks have  been 
> modified and improved (you can now move them freely around,  using Altuit 
> code for this). I have also added reference to other  stacks found in the 
> revonline section.
>
> 
>
> Keep them coming!
>
> Marielle



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Re: You're Right -- It was HARSH -- NOT!

2005-12-13 Thread Mark Swindell

I agree with Rob's points.  Without filtering, today's spam-filled 
email, in general, could never work, split list or not.  With filtering 
and the delete button I don't have to read anything I don't want to.  I 
don't have the energy to go all over the web looking for the 
appropriate list for this or that.   And I often enjoy reading people's 
insights and opinions about development tools in general terms, not 
just scripting solutions specific to Rev.


Mark

On Dec 13, 2005, at 8:19 AM, Rob Cozens wrote:


Dear Ken, et al:


I'm not saying that a thread won't or shouldn't evolve (devolve?)
into a philisophical or business acumen-related discussion; it's just 
that

as soon as we notice we've gotten off track, we should either take the
discussion offlist, or to another list, or end the thread, so that the
primary purpose of the use-list can remain focused on technical issues
related to using Revolution.


I think splitting the List is a mistake.

No one is forced to read every post on every subject.  I have Eudora 
deliver all my use-rev mail to the trash.  I read the threads and/or 
responders whose opinions I have found worth reading, transfer any 
messages I want to keep to another mailbox, and when I quit Eudora the 
rest is gone.  I doubt I read half of the posts I received this 
morning.


You can already see the effects of list-splitting in today's mail: an 
eConversation among long-time correspondents turns from technical to 
philosophical, and someone posts "take that to another list."


Imagine, if you will, that we are a team of programmers working 
together on a long-term project.  What kind of synergy develops if 
every time someone brings something personal or not directly 
project-related into the conversation, another person responds, "I'm 
not interested in listening to the rest of you discuss this, so [as 
Judy so elegently put it] piss off."


People who come to the List only wanting free help with Revolution 
programming ought to accept desire of those who provide it to discuss 
other issues among themselves on the same list.  If a thread evolves 
from technical to philosophical or humorous, it's because some members 
of the List want to continue the discussion in that vein.


The only reasons I see for not letting a thread run its natural course 
are:


* Collaboration on a long-term project, or ongoing subject 
(eg: rev_ipc group)
* The same two or three people continue to discuss a subject 
while no one else participates.


I said it to the HyperCard List and I'll say it here:

The best way to end a thread you are not interested in is to delete 
the messages on the subject unread and get on with your life.


Rob Cozens CCW
Serendipity Software Company

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
 Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

 from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)
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Re: List Splitting - Idea

2005-12-13 Thread Bill Marriott

Gordon Webster wrote,
"I for one would hate to see this list stripped of  its "Revolutionary" 
appeal by limiting it only to discussions of rev  users' technical problems. 
While such technical problems may be the  primary concern of this list, do 
they really have to be it's only concern?"

Excellent point, Gordon.

I really don't agree with "segmenting" the list, because now we're supposed 
to go to location A for "graphics," location B for "business," and pretty 
soon it will be location C for buttons, location D for this, location E for 
that...

The problem is that each of these unofficial offshoots have a fraction of 
the participation that this official list does. Inevitably, we'll see useful 
discussions quashed with the line, "take this to such-and-such" a venue. To 
me it seems like "vigilante moderation."

As much as I really enjoy gmane as an NNTP interface to the list -- it's 
made things MUCH easier to follow -- these "problems" segmenting is supposed 
to solve would ALL be obviated if Rev put up a simple phpBB-based board with 
common-sense categories. It is not difficult or expensive to do this. [And 
yes, phpBB can be configured to send email to members, for those who prefer 
the "push" style.] Then we would all have one place to go and people could 
skip the categories they are not interested in.

[Sorry, I don't plan to join/participate in those offshoot forums.]

Bill 



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Re: You're Right -- It was HARSH -- NOT!


Dear Ken, et al:


I'm not saying that a thread won't or shouldn't evolve (devolve?)
into a philisophical or business acumen-related discussion; it's just that
as soon as we notice we've gotten off track, we should either take the
discussion offlist, or to another list, or end the thread, so that the
primary purpose of the use-list can remain focused on technical issues
related to using Revolution.


I think splitting the List is a mistake.

No one is forced to read every post on every subject.  I have Eudora 
deliver all my use-rev mail to the trash.  I read the threads and/or 
responders whose opinions I have found worth reading, transfer any 
messages I want to keep to another mailbox, and when I quit Eudora 
the rest is gone.  I doubt I read half of the posts I received this 
morning.


Totally Agree.



You can already see the effects of list-splitting in today's mail: 
an eConversation among long-time correspondents turns from technical 
to philosophical, and someone posts "take that to another list."


lol! Not a good start then!

Imagine, if you will, that we are a team of programmers working 
together on a long-term project.  What kind of synergy develops if 
every time someone brings something personal or not directly 
project-related into the conversation, another person responds, "I'm 
not interested in listening to the rest of you discuss this, so [as 
Judy so elegently put it] piss off."


Very Well Put!


People who come to the List only wanting free help with Revolution 
programming ought to accept desire of those who provide it to 
discuss other issues among themselves on the same list.  If a thread 
evolves from technical to philosophical or humorous, it's because 
some members of the List want to continue the discussion in that 
vein.


The only reasons I see for not letting a thread run its natural course are:

* Collaboration on a long-term project, or ongoing subject 
(eg: rev_ipc group)
* The same two or three people continue to discuss a subject 
while no one else participates.


I said it to the HyperCard List and I'll say it here:

The best way to end a thread you are not interested in is to delete 
the messages on the subject unread and get on with your life.


Rob Cozens CCW
Serendipity Software Company


Yep!

Live and let live! We all share the same park and we have to put up 
with each other. Enjoy the good and ignore the bad! Works for me!


Take Care Everyone
All the Best
Dave
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how to beat confabulator

In case you didn't notice, Confabulator 3 came out today...
 
I went through the site quickly and frankly, i dont see anything
in it we can't do... They make it look like a desktop-web tool and
frankly, we got the ease of development and they need a player
that's oh 13MBs!!! ;))
 
What we dont have is:
- a repository showing 2000 apps to download
- yahoo behind us...
 
But we are hundreds (or as Rev claims thousands... )
so we could easily disrupt their widgets ;)
 
We got the clocks (no coocoo clock though :), calendars, 
and more...
 
The only hickup though is that if we clicked on a rev url to 
download the widget, it would launch another instance of 
rev (in windows) which could be disastrous (in my pro opinion
as a pc user) or for mac users, i might not be recognized as
a rev file... 
 
So what's next in the revolution? ;)
 
cheers
Xavier
http://monsieurx.com/taoo - widget city...
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Pretty stacks made with Runrev

Tom and Alex's Stack have now been added to the education gallery,  
with link to their stack in the revonline section. My own stacks have  
been modified and improved (you can now move them freely around,  
using Altuit code for this). I have also added reference to other  
stacks found in the revonline section.




Keep them coming!

Marielle
 


Marielle Lange (PhD),  Psycholinguist

Alternative emails: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Homepage
http://homepages.lexicall.org/mlange/

Easy access to lexical databaseshttp://lexicall.org
Supporting Education Technologists  http:// 
revolution.lexicall.org/wiki



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Re: You're Right -- It was HARSH -- NOT!

2005-12-13 Thread Rob Cozens


Dear Ken, et al:


I'm not saying that a thread won't or shouldn't evolve (devolve?)
into a philisophical or business acumen-related discussion; it's just that
as soon as we notice we've gotten off track, we should either take the
discussion offlist, or to another list, or end the thread, so that the
primary purpose of the use-list can remain focused on technical issues
related to using Revolution.


I think splitting the List is a mistake.

No one is forced to read every post on every subject.  I have Eudora 
deliver all my use-rev mail to the trash.  I read the threads and/or 
responders whose opinions I have found worth reading, transfer any 
messages I want to keep to another mailbox, and when I quit Eudora 
the rest is gone.  I doubt I read half of the posts I received this morning.


You can already see the effects of list-splitting in today's mail: an 
eConversation among long-time correspondents turns from technical to 
philosophical, and someone posts "take that to another list."


Imagine, if you will, that we are a team of programmers working 
together on a long-term project.  What kind of synergy develops if 
every time someone brings something personal or not directly 
project-related into the conversation, another person responds, "I'm 
not interested in listening to the rest of you discuss this, so [as 
Judy so elegently put it] piss off."


People who come to the List only wanting free help with Revolution 
programming ought to accept desire of those who provide it to discuss 
other issues among themselves on the same list.  If a thread evolves 
from technical to philosophical or humorous, it's because some 
members of the List want to continue the discussion in that vein.


The only reasons I see for not letting a thread run its natural course are:

* Collaboration on a long-term project, or ongoing subject 
(eg: rev_ipc group)
* The same two or three people continue to discuss a subject 
while no one else participates.


I said it to the HyperCard List and I'll say it here:

The best way to end a thread you are not interested in is to delete 
the messages on the subject unread and get on with your life.


Rob Cozens CCW
Serendipity Software Company

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
 Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

 from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631) 


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Re: List Splitting - Idea

2005-12-13 Thread Gordon Webster

I for one would hate to see this list stripped of  its "Revolutionary" appeal 
by limiting it only to discussions of rev  users' technical problems. While 
such technical problems may be the  primary concern of this list, do they 
really have to be it's only  concern? 

  Remember just last month for example - Dan started a discussion on the  
disappearance of the application desktop ("The Disappearing Desktop -  It's 
Real This Time") which turned into a superb debate and "blue  skies" 
brainstorming session about the future of software that made us  all think. 

  Can I get that kind of mind expanding fare on the RealBasic Users Lists? 

  Not on your life. 

  The eclectic vibe on this list also corresponds well with the rather  unusual 
nature of rev itself and it's all of you that make it happen  and help to make 
the whole rev experience something kind of organic and  out of the ordinary.

  On a practical note, I try to discriminate and routinely read the  technical 
stuff that relates more closely with my own problems,  skipping the rest 
because there aren't enough hours in a day (or  neurons in my skull) to absorb 
it all. If I need to, I consult the  archives when I wish to revisit stuff that 
I skipped the first time  around.

  IMNSHO, let the lively discussions stay - the world of software  development 
is already gray enough without stripping this vibrant list  of its color.

  Best

  Gordon

David Burgun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  A very sensible approach!

I second the suggestion.

Cheers
Dave

>We have seen a debate here about splitting the list various ways and 
>there are pros and cons for most everything.
>
>One many lists there are conventions that posters follow that 
>include placing small "category keywords" in brackets before the 
>subject line. This can get out of control if everyone makes up 
>keywords but what if we use a ready made set? How about the second 
>level menu keywords in the "Objects" section of the documentation?
>
>[Player]How do I    or   [Button]Border color isn't working right.  
>or a generic [How] as in [How]do I make sprites?
>
>If we just let people know where to look for their [Keyword] (ie; in 
>the documentation under the "Objects" button, then they might even 
>find the answer in the docs! In any case it could make it easier to 
>search in the archives, sort in our email clients, provide some 
>structure for post processing for a wiki and many other benefits.
>
>It's not hard to do and it may provide just enough structure to help us all.
>
>BTW; how many lists do we have now and where are they? 
>
>dave
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Re: What does this "Hint" mean?

2005-12-13 Thread Roger . E . Eller

Preston,

> I pasted the doMenu example from the documentation:
> 
> on mouseUp
> 
> do menuItem "New Card" of menu "Object"
> 
> end mouseUp

I believe "do" is a completely different command than "doMenu" as is shown 
in the documentation example. Therefore try this:

on mouseUp
doMenu "New Card"
go last card
end mouseUp

Roger Eller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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video out put

2005-12-13 Thread liamlambert


sorry I forgot subject in pre message.
Is there any way to control  video out from rev i.e. write to a
projector.

Liam Lambert
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
IRELAND


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(no subject)

2005-12-13 Thread liamlambert

Is there any way to control  video out from rev i.e. write to a  
projector.



Liam Lambert
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
IRELAND


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Re: What does this "Hint" mean?

2005-12-13 Thread Eric Chatonet


Hi Preston,

I guess that you tried that from a stack of yours that has no  
specific menu bar.
To call a specific menu item in another stack, you have to be more  
precise:


on mouseUp
  send "menuPick New Card" to btn "Object" of stack "revMenuBar"
end mouseUp

Note that this form can't work in a standalone, in the IDE only where  
the code in the revmenubar stack will do the job for you :-)


Best Regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet
 
--

http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/


Le 13 déc. 05 à 16:19, Preston Shea a écrit :


I pasted the doMenu example from the documentation:

on mouseUp

do menuItem "New Card" of menu "Object"

end mouseUp

And this error results:

Type Chunk: error in chunk expression

Object Button 1

Line do menuItem "New Card" of menu "Object"

Hint (&Object Inspector

Can anyone tell me what the "Hint" means and/or why this script  
doesn't work?


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Re: List Splitting - Idea

2005-12-13 Thread Richard Gaskin


David Burgun wrote:

how many lists do we have now and where are they? 


Like any healthy, growing community, Rev has spawned a good many SIGs -- 
most of them are listed on revJournal's Links page:



If I've missed any there drop me a note and I'll add it ASAP (yes, 
rev-biz will be added there in the next update).


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Re: You're Right -- It was HARSH

2005-12-13 Thread Richard Gaskin


Judy Perry wrote:

Richard:

I unequivocably apologize.


No worries. You warned us in Monterey about your "fangs", but I have yet 
to see them. :)  I figured you'd just had a long day.  I've had more 
than a few of those myself; fully understood.


As for the formation of the new list, I'd like to address it briefly 
here and this will be my last word on the subject on this list, though 
I'll happily continue it on the rev-biz list:




When I first noticed that discussion of using Rev was being displaced by 
a lot of recommendations for how RunRev should run their business, I 
figured I was the only person who minded.  When I started seeing others 
express a similar feeling, I began to reconsider.


The tipping point for me was when I discovered that we sometimes lose 
subscribers over it, such as this comment posted on another forum about 
the use-rev list:


  I am so turned off by the mailing list for RunRev.
  Maybe it's just me, maybe I'm just getting too old,
  but that list just seems so full of posturing,
  politics and some serious personal podiums!

  There's just far too much bs and bantering going
  on on that list, and I'll be honest, I excpected
  it to be far more civil and mature than what I
  have seen since I subscribed.

  One or two replies by myself trying to help out
  went by without even an acknowlegement, or even
  a "piss off!".

  Though what few questions I have asked have been
  answered, but now there's just far too much junk
  flowing through there that I don't even want
  to ask questions.




This list is valuable for all of us, and can be especially valuable to 
newcomers, and it's at it's best as a resource for learning about using Rev.


Sure, from time to time topics other than using Rev will creep in, but 
if they come to dominate the list many feel they detract from its 
overall value, and we risk losing more members who just want to have fun 
scripting.


Many of the ideas for how RunRev could more effectively manage their 
business may have merit, but choosing this user-to-user forum as the 
venue for such recommendations may not be as effective as simply writing 
to RunRev directly. Only RunRev can put such recommendations into practice.


Imagine if everytime your spouse had a problem with you they chose to 
address it by taking out billboard space in the public square.  Would it 
help put you at ease so you could hear the merit of the message?


Of course there's a lot to be said for refining ideas for improved 
business performance first, and bouncing ideas off of other users before 
presenting them to RunRev may help make for a more compelling 
presentation.  But running any business is not a simple thing, and a dev 
tools business is particularly difficult and complex, so such 
discussions will tend to be lengthy by nature.


Given all this, it seemed worth suggesting a separate forum for those 
discussions, just as there are specialized forums for other special 
interest groups (RevIPC, MC IDE, etc.), as is common in any growing 
community.


Yahoo Groups is easy to set up, and most of the posts in such threads 
come from a relatively small number of people who already have Yahoo 
accounts for groups like HyperCard, SuperCard, RevIPC, xTalks, RevDocs, 
RSS dev, and others (including a great many forums for products like 
Interachy and Carrara), and it only takes a minute for anyone else to 
sign up fresh to join any of those discussions.


If anyone wants to change the venue I have no objection, but I do feel 
that discussion would be better handled on the current rev-biz list:





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Re: List Splitting - Idea


A very sensible approach!

I second the suggestion.

Cheers
Dave


We have seen a debate here about splitting the list various ways and 
there are pros and cons for most everything.


One many lists there are conventions that posters follow that 
include placing small "category keywords" in brackets before the 
subject line. This can get out of control if everyone makes up 
keywords but what if we use a ready made set? How about the second 
level menu keywords in the "Objects" section of the documentation?


[Player]How do I    or   [Button]Border color isn't working right.  
or a generic [How] as in [How]do I make sprites?


If we just let people know where to look for their [Keyword] (ie; in 
the documentation under the "Objects" button, then they might even 
find the answer in the docs! In any case it could make it easier to 
search in the archives, sort in our email clients, provide some 
structure for post processing for a wiki and many other benefits.


It's not hard to do and it may provide just enough structure to help us all.

BTW; how many lists do we have now and where are they? 

dave
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Re: What does this "Hint" mean?


Try this:

local myStatement

put "menuItem " & quote "New Card" & quote & " of menu Object" into myStatement
do myStatement

Hope this helps,
All the Best
Dave



I pasted the doMenu example from the documentation:

on mouseUp

do menuItem "New Card" of menu "Object"

end mouseUp

And this error results:

Type Chunk: error in chunk expression

Object Button 1

Line do menuItem "New Card" of menu "Object"

Hint (&Object Inspector

Can anyone tell me what the "Hint" means and/or why this script doesn't work?
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List Splitting - Idea

2005-12-13 Thread Dave LeYanna

We have seen a debate here about splitting the list various ways and 
there are pros and cons for most everything.


One many lists there are conventions that posters follow that include 
placing small "category keywords" in brackets before the subject line. 
This can get out of control if everyone makes up keywords but what if we 
use a ready made set? How about the second level menu keywords in the 
"Objects" section of the documentation?


[Player]How do I    or   [Button]Border color isn't working right.   
or a generic [How] as in [How]do I make sprites?


If we just let people know where to look for their [Keyword] (ie; in the 
documentation under the "Objects" button, then they might even find the 
answer in the docs! In any case it could make it easier to search in the 
archives, sort in our email clients, provide some structure for post 
processing for a wiki and many other benefits.


It's not hard to do and it may provide just enough structure to help us all.

BTW; how many lists do we have now and where are they? 

dave
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What does this "Hint" mean?

2005-12-13 Thread Preston Shea

I pasted the doMenu example from the documentation:

on mouseUp

do menuItem "New Card" of menu "Object"

end mouseUp

And this error results:

Type Chunk: error in chunk expression

Object Button 1

Line do menuItem "New Card" of menu "Object"

Hint (&Object Inspector

Can anyone tell me what the "Hint" means and/or why this script doesn't work?
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Re: Standalone on a CD

It would help to know which platform you are running on, but 
generally in a standalone, it means:


MacOS X - It's the folder of the App inside the Bundle.
Window - It's the folder that contains the .exe application.

A better way of doing this IMO is to use the fileName of this stack 
property, like so:


local myFolder

put the filename of this stack into myFolder
set the itemdelimiter to "/"
put empty into item -1 of myFolder -- Remove last item but leave trailing "/"
set the itemdelimiter to ","

Now to get a file in the same folder, just do

local myFilePathName

put myFolder & "FileName.xxx" into myFilePathName

Hope this helps
Dave

How do I get a standalone running from a CD to recognize included 
audioClips? The documentation on defaultFolder tells me that "If 
you're using the development environment, this is the folder 
containing Revolution; if you're using a standalone application, 
this is the folder containing that standalone." Could someone be 
more specific? .

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Re: "use-rev" means "using Rev" (was 10,000 other threads)

I think the list should be left just as it is. As long as the subject 
field is clearly marked, it's pretty obvious what is a geeky post and 
what is a polilical/rant post. Just delete the ones you don't want to 
read! Or ignore them as I do.


It's really not hard to filter this list, I do it all the time.

I reckon that people on here should be able to say what they like, 
within reason, I personally try to avoid personal insults or getting 
too vexxed with somone simply because they either critisize me or a 
product or disagree with me, but if people want to do that, let em! 
Doesn't really hurt anyone, except probably increases the heart rates 
of those concerned and I should imagine many people have brused knees 
lately caused by violent jerks upwards into their desks just after 
the "You've got mail" sound was played!


Splitting off into other lists wouldn't really do much good either, 
it's possible to disguise a rant as a geeky problem especially with 
RunRev. I also think it's better to have it all in one big barrel, 
good, bad and indifferent all together, so much like real-life!


Banning people from the list doesn't work either, excpet maybe as a 
silly symbolic guesture, since they can just sign back up again under 
a different name/email address.


I feel slightly guilty, since I may have started this off, with my 
"What really SUCKS" post, all I can say is that at least it was 
actually complaining about something that is flakey in RunRev and I 
had been battling the Flakeyness a fair time before I finally snapped.


Reading the current posts there are actually at least as many with 
people moaning about people moaning, I really can't see the point of 
that, but if people want to do that, let em!


It's been a tough year for a lot of us, for reasons far more worrying 
than RunRev, wars, bombs, riots, floods, hurricanes, earthquakes all 
leading to pain and death. It is not supprising that some of this 
pain finds it's way onto lists like this.


All the Best
Dave
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Re: You're Right -- It was HARSH

On 12/13/05 1:33 AM, "Judy Perry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I hear what you are saying... but your clarification only supports in a
> way what I was _trying_ (albeit in a less than elegant way) to say:
> 
> It started as a use-thingy and then ended up as a philosophical-thingy.
> That's just natural, how humans seemingly work.

Agreed... I'm not saying that a thread won't or shouldn't evolve (devolve?)
into a philisophical or business acumen-related discussion; it's just that
as soon as we notice we've gotten off track, we should either take the
discussion offlist, or to another list, or end the thread, so that the
primary purpose of the use-list can remain focused on technical issues
related to using Revolution.

(Oh, and you can get off the naughty stool - you've been there long
enough... :-)

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
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Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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"use-rev" means "using Rev" (was 10,000 other threads)

2005-12-13 Thread Mathewson

For those who wish to discuss / learn about aspects of
RunRev's graphic capabilities there is now a Yahoo Group
where one can do exactly that:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RRgraphix/

I have uploaded a 'lollipop' that illustrates some of RR's
graphic capabilities

come along and join in the fun.

By the way, I object slightly to M. Lange's use of the
phrase "Yahoo Members only" - as it implies that this is
some sort of exclusive club: far from it - signing up for
Yahoo Groups does not mean you have to stand on one foot
while whistling some obscure tune through your nose - it is
free, and easy.

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson
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Advice on Messaging System


Hi All,

I have a problem that I have solved, but wondering if anyone on this 
list could think of a better/faster way of doing the same thing.


I have a number of Stacks then can be opened or closed under user 
control, each stack can generate an "Event" or "Message". One such 
message is "PrefsLanguage" which is generated when the user selects a 
new new language in the Preferences Window. The messange is sent to 
all objects that are "Listening" for the message.


The code looks like this.

In the Script for whichever controls need to know that language has 
changed (in any stack), this handler is called from the preOpenStack 
handler:


on ControlInitialize
get ListenForMessage("PrefsLanguage","ControlMessageHandler",the long 
name of me)

end ControlInitialize

--
--  This Handler gets called when a "PrefsLanguage" Message is Generated
--
on ControlMessageHandler(theMessageKey,theMessageData)
-
-  Change the text of this control to the language contained in 
"theMessageData"

-
end ControlMessageHandler

The above code is placed in all objects that want to receive the message.




In the Prefs Stack, in the control that switches languages:

get PutMessage("PrefsLanguage",theNewLanguage)

The message gets send to all Objects that are lintening for the 
"PrefsLanguage" message (including objects on the same stack).


At present I represent this using a number of arrays which are 
dynamically created (e.g. their names are built dynamically), but it 
seems quite slow.


Does anyone know of a better way to do this? Any ideas or suggestions 
greatly appreciated.


Thanks a lot
All the Best
Dave






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Re: "use-rev" means "using Rev" (was 10,000 other threads)

Part of 'using' (in terms of the use-list) Rev really does  
encompass why what's there isn't useful.


My point of view too. I however also agree with Richard that the list  
provided to us by the RunRev Ltd company is not necessarily the best  
place to discuss of this. What we have to be aware of, however, is  
that we have a very wide spectrum of users on this list. That  
everybody has the same interests or should have the same, politically  
speaking is a wrong assumption. You will have noticed that the  
professional users, in contrast, tend to express good to high levels  
of satisfaction.  We are free to do whatever we want. But we are not  
necessarily free to do it right in front of the nose of persons who  
said they were not interested in this kind of discussion/initiatives.  
This would only bring tension and disperse the energy we have to  
give. It would be an excessively bad decision too, to start to  
antagonize the group of professional users against the not for profit  
ones or the other way around. Let's keep this list for what it does  
best, exchange of coding tips. Let's create subgroups to discuss  
strategies that are relevant only to these subgroups.


But then there is the issue that if we go to a yahoo group, many  
persons won't get a chance to join the discussion. Yahoo groups are  
not that usable, yahoo groups require a login, yahoo groups are  
distributed all over the net and are about impossible to find for a   
new user. Yahoo groups are not searched by google (at least I  
couldn't find matches when I copied/paste a few lines from posts  
there).  So, in a sense, discussing on yahoo group is a good way to  
encourage us to procrastinate and have discussions that lead to  
little concrete results and to have us pass for bastards interested  
in nothing but criticising RunRev management options. All the more if  
what is proposed to discuss of is what RunRev should do (that they  
won't) rather than what *WE* users could do to improve our lot.


Yahoo Members only   to  
discuss runrev business issues or  to discuss on the need to have  
sublists and where to have them, use as you prefer.


Marielle

 


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Re: "use-rev" means "using Rev" (was 10,000 other threads)


Alex Tweedly wrote:
rev-use - scripting / Qs and tips - every time I read email ( > 10  
a day)
rev-biz - once a day, probably at night when I tend to be  
interested in wider-ranging discussion
rev-clever-graphics-tricks - once a day in the morning, but after  
caffeine, because this is HARD for me

rev-etc  - etc.


Excellent suggestion! Then were have we to  have these sublists?

I recommend the forum at:

to discuss: "need for new discussions lists". No need to register or  
anything. Just go to the forum and start to read and reply.


We have had this discussion many many times over the last year.  
Often, this discussion got killed by professional users saying the  
preferred to read ALL emails from the list. May I ask these  
professional users to try to understand that "non professional" users  
may make a different use of this list than they do?... and to remain  
silent long enough so that "non professional" users can have their  
say on this?


Marielle

 


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Re: MVC (was Text database using custom properties)

2005-12-13 Thread Dave LeYanna

Thanks Mark, I'll take a look. I want to put the business rules in the 
model as well. In fact I want to put as much as I can in the model 
because one of the problems we have had over the years is having 
different programmers implementing almost the same business logic in 
different programs and the logic changes but not all the programs do... 
It would require a strange MVC setup to place that in the model.


Dave

Mark Wieder wrote:


Dave-

Monday, December 12, 2005, 12:00:26 PM, you wrote:

 


Right now we have created a database in PostgreSQL that maps the dBase
files as close as we can and have written a "conversion" program to 
create an "import" file to update these PostgreSQL tables with. We also

have a set of "normalized" tables in the same PostgreSQL database and we
"massage" the data into them every night. We do the same thing the other
way, back to some of the dBase tables. We are working with 2 systems at
one time, chopping off some stuff from the old dBase system and writing
models in the "new" PostgreSQL system. We want to use Rev for the 
end-users and are creating little pieces at a time but we don't want to

get to far if we can work the MVC in...
   



The hard part is getting from the old .prg files into a different
paradigm.

Dave Bovill and I have taken somewhat different approaches to a runrev
implementation of an MVC architecture. I'm not sure if Dave's made his
public yet, but you can see mine on revonline. You may not like it if
you're used to a traditional MVC construct, as I've turned it some 90
degrees and put the burden on the model rather than the controller,
but I think it fits with xtalk better that way. At any rate it may
give you some ideas of how you want to implement things.

 




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Right to Life of Michigan
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Re: OT The Wisdom of Crowds

2005-12-13 Thread Tracey Griffith

Oh, am I ever going to look up that book! I am suffering under an
administration that thinks "consensus" (and thus everyone doing the same
thing the same way) is God.

Raymond E. Griffith

On 12/13/05 1:41 AM, "Erik Hansen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> there is a book called
> The Wisdom of Crowds
> that advocates bringing the largest
> brain pool possible to bear
> on any given problem.
> this includes everyone from
> the expert to the total rookie.
> 
> the author opposes consensus,
> holds that disagreement and
> controversy generate the best results.
> 
> Erik Hansen
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Magic Stocking


Thanks Tom,

Looks nice. Is there anyway to make an "http://"; link to the stacks  
in the revOnline repository?


Marielle

 


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newbies discussion lists


Al,

Any chance of reposting the links?  Seems the list frisked out the  
hyper links again...




Hi Scott

dreamcard BB: 
There is another English BB board for revolution for newbies: www.esashi.org/yabb/YaBB.pl>
I  have added them to the list of "revolution websites", on the  
revolution-education wiki. <


If you  know of others, add them to the list or send me an email.

Marielle
 


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Re: Oh Christ... Image Name?

2005-12-13 Thread Jerry Muelver

How about putting the HTMLtext of the whole line into a variable, then 
parsing the variable for a "

 Jerry Muelver 


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Re: Rev App Gets Cloaked by Backdrop

2005-12-13 Thread Klaus Major


Hi Swami,


Scenario:

1) boot a stack that sets the backdrop to Black in it's  
preopenstack handler

2) the stack launches Acrobat to read some PDF.
3) User closes Acrobat
4) Your stack is there on screen "in front" of the backdrop.
5) click down on the rev stack

Poof! it disappears! :-/?

In the IDE of course, go to the Window menu, and click your stack  
and it "resurfaces" but run from a standalone player, he's gone  
behind the deep black blue for good.


I've hit this before and tried to play around with "resumestack"  
but never got it to work and so was forced to abandon setting the  
backdrop to black in contexts where we are having the user switch  
apps... Looks like I'm right there again... Anyone figure out a  
work around for this? I was hoping to have a black backdrop and  
then, of course, give the user the option to get his desktop back  
from a menu item in my app...the black back drop makes for a such a  
clean, dramatic entry to "nothing but your brand..."


unfortunately "backdrop" is definitively broken*** and already  
godzilla'ed a long time ago...

***or at least not working as exspected.

Until this gets fixed, just "brew" your own :-)

Use an empty and "black" stack, resize it to the screenrect and then  
you really
can control it, since it will receive "resumestack" and all related  
handlers...



Sivakatirswami


Regards

Klaus Major
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: CGI Sendmail function and spam

2005-12-13 Thread Jim Ault

My "system" is not operating now since the project was cancelled a couple
years ago, but I still had the activity logged and reported to my personal
email account every five minutes.  This was a mission critical point, so any
interruption was important.

As far as abuse, I probably got lucky and did not suffer any attacks.  I did
receive some miscellaneous junk once in a while, but filtered it so only my
stuff went out.

Sorry I cannot be of more help in your situation.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


On 12/13/05 2:20 AM, "Sivakatirswami" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> OK, so your CGI is not getting "abused" by hackers from the
> outside... this is all your outgoing mail..?
> 
> 
> On Dec 13, 2005, at 12:17 AM, Jim Ault wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On 12/13/05 12:02 AM, "Sivakatirswami" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> I call sendmail on our linux web server from at least a dozen web
>>> forms and related revolution CGI and I have a plain jaine send mail
>>> script CGI that only I know the name  of  and which is used by remote
>>> rev apps to forward mail. The Rev app posts to the CGI and the CGI
>>> calls send mail and sends the message. This is very useful as I can
>>> use a single CGI to handle and mail from any rev app.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Anyway, my system has *never* been abused. I'm curious to first ask,
>>> what  did your web form look like...and what did the CGI do?  was it
>>> simply a web form with from, to, subject  and  body?
>>> 
>>> Sivakatirswami
>>> 
>> 
>> I guess my point is that you can create a "to do list" somewhere,
>> rather
>> than just execute the batch sending, therefore having some control
>> over
>> getting into difficulty with the host.  Perhaps you could just
>> generate a
>> text file, then review it to see the impact.
>> 
>> Another approach may be to schedule the send mail calls to space
>> them out,
>> if that would help.
>> 
>> Jim Ault
>> Las Vegas
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Dec 12, 2005, at 7:28 PM, Jim Ault wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
 Shoudn't you be able to queue for later delivery, then have Rev
 some how
 send you an email letting you know what's in the queue, ...and
 then... you
 send an email that Rev answers where the subject line triggers the
 release!
 (or kills them)?
 
 This way no mail goes before its time, and you are in control.
 
 Jim Ault
 Las Vegas
 
 
 On 12/12/05 9:21 PM, "Thomas McCarthy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 wrote:
 
 
 
> 
> I used my rev cgi to call the UNIX sendmail process last summer.
> My site was
> shut down by the provider shortly after on account of the enormous
> amout of
> emails being generated. I thought I'd fixed the problem but I'm
> afraid it
> might have happened again.
> 
> Are there any suggestions for securely using sendmail in a rev
> script?
> 
> thanks,
> tm
> 


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Rev App Gets Cloaked by Backdrop


Scenario:

1) boot a stack that sets the backdrop to Black in it's preopenstack  
handler

2) the stack launches Acrobat to read some PDF.
3) User closes Acrobat
4) Your stack is there on screen "in front" of the backdrop.
5) click down on the rev stack

Poof! it disappears! :-/?

In the IDE of course, go to the Window menu, and click your stack and  
it "resurfaces" but run from a standalone player, he's gone behind  
the deep black blue for good.


I've hit this before and tried to play around with "resumestack" but  
never got it to work and so was forced to abandon setting the  
backdrop to black in contexts where we are having the user switch  
apps... Looks like I'm right there again... Anyone figure out a work  
around for this? I was hoping to have a black backdrop and then, of  
course, give the user the option to get his desktop back from a menu  
item in my app...the black back drop makes for a such a clean,  
dramatic entry to "nothing but your brand..."


Sivakatirswami

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Re: CGI Sendmail function and spam

OK, so your CGI is not getting "abused" by hackers from the  
outside... this is all your outgoing mail..?



On Dec 13, 2005, at 12:17 AM, Jim Ault wrote:



On 12/13/05 12:02 AM, "Sivakatirswami" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



I call sendmail on our linux web server from at least a dozen web
forms and related revolution CGI and I have a plain jaine send mail
script CGI that only I know the name  of  and which is used by remote
rev apps to forward mail. The Rev app posts to the CGI and the CGI
calls send mail and sends the message. This is very useful as I can
use a single CGI to handle and mail from any rev app.


Anyway, my system has *never* been abused. I'm curious to first ask,
what  did your web form look like...and what did the CGI do?  was it
simply a web form with from, to, subject  and  body?

Sivakatirswami



I guess my point is that you can create a "to do list" somewhere,  
rather
than just execute the batch sending, therefore having some control  
over
getting into difficulty with the host.  Perhaps you could just  
generate a

text file, then review it to see the impact.

Another approach may be to schedule the send mail calls to space  
them out,

if that would help.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas









On Dec 12, 2005, at 7:28 PM, Jim Ault wrote:



Shoudn't you be able to queue for later delivery, then have Rev
some how
send you an email letting you know what's in the queue, ...and
then... you
send an email that Rev answers where the subject line triggers the
release!
(or kills them)?

This way no mail goes before its time, and you are in control.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


On 12/12/05 9:21 PM, "Thomas McCarthy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:






I used my rev cgi to call the UNIX sendmail process last summer.
My site was
shut down by the provider shortly after on account of the enormous
amout of
emails being generated. I thought I'd fixed the problem but I'm
afraid it
might have happened again.

Are there any suggestions for securely using sendmail in a rev
script?

thanks,
tm




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Re: CGI Sendmail function and spam

2005-12-13 Thread Jim Ault


On 12/13/05 12:02 AM, "Sivakatirswami" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I call sendmail on our linux web server from at least a dozen web
> forms and related revolution CGI and I have a plain jaine send mail
> script CGI that only I know the name  of  and which is used by remote
> rev apps to forward mail. The Rev app posts to the CGI and the CGI
> calls send mail and sends the message. This is very useful as I can
> use a single CGI to handle and mail from any rev app.
> 
> 
> Anyway, my system has *never* been abused. I'm curious to first ask,
> what  did your web form look like...and what did the CGI do?  was it
> simply a web form with from, to, subject  and  body?
> 
> Sivakatirswami

I guess my point is that you can create a "to do list" somewhere, rather
than just execute the batch sending, therefore having some control over
getting into difficulty with the host.  Perhaps you could just generate a
text file, then review it to see the impact.

Another approach may be to schedule the send mail calls to space them out,
if that would help.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas
 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 12, 2005, at 7:28 PM, Jim Ault wrote:
> 
>> Shoudn't you be able to queue for later delivery, then have Rev
>> some how
>> send you an email letting you know what's in the queue, ...and
>> then... you
>> send an email that Rev answers where the subject line triggers the
>> release!
>> (or kills them)?
>> 
>> This way no mail goes before its time, and you are in control.
>> 
>> Jim Ault
>> Las Vegas
>> 
>> 
>> On 12/12/05 9:21 PM, "Thomas McCarthy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> I used my rev cgi to call the UNIX sendmail process last summer.
>>> My site was
>>> shut down by the provider shortly after on account of the enormous
>>> amout of
>>> emails being generated. I thought I'd fixed the problem but I'm
>>> afraid it
>>> might have happened again.
>>> 
>>> Are there any suggestions for securely using sendmail in a rev
>>> script?
>>> 
>>> thanks,
>>> tm


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Re: CGI Sendmail function and spam