Re: On the Democratic Operation of Bugzilla

[Judy Perry]

Here, here!

I agree wholeheartedly, Rob.

I mean, y'all know that I have and will likely continue to do more than
my own fair share of kvetching...

But I also have to say that I have seen responsiveness on most if not all
of the issues I kvetch about most:

*Reasonable hobbyist/IU/educational pricing
*Improved docs (still want to see printed ones) including user guide
*pre-builts/templates (tho' I HATE templates in general, it's still
probably an improvement -- one that I'm willing to spend my students' own
money on, that is... he he!)

I'll still stand tall on my language purist soapbox, however...  I mean,
why can't TTS just use HC's speak syntax instead of that dreadful
whatever thing it uses???

Lingo went to c.dot.syntax.hell in a very short fashion...  Please don't
let Transcript follow behind Lingo!

Judy

On Thu, 23 Feb 2006, Rob Cozens wrote:

 What is the world coming to when users complain when the company that
 provides them a product gives them input in determining where resources
 should be spent on maintaining and updating that product?

 Runtime Revolution Ltd. gives every user of its product an opportunity
 to influence the decision on how limited RD and Support resources are
 allocated.  I doubt that you can name many other products you use whose
 manufacturer give you that same opportunity.

 Is there some better means of making that determination than asking the
 people who use the product?  Market survey? Ouija Board?

 Especially a product like RunRev, which appeals to such a broad range
 of uses and users.  Given the documented errors and enhancement
 requests, how does one decide where to focus time and resources.  If
 each RR user complied a personal bug fix/enhancement request list, to
 what degree would those lists overlap?  How many users would prefer my
 list to yours, and vice versa?

 If you were in charge of RR development, wouldn't you like to spend
 your resources on areas of relatively high importance to a relatively
 large proportion of users?  How do you ascertain that without asking
 users?


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RE: On the Democratic Operation of Bugzilla

[Scott Kane]

 Lingo went to c.dot.syntax.hell in a very short fashion...  
 Please don't let Transcript follow behind Lingo!

I'm sure I wouldn't want to ask RR to make Rev use
dot notation - but it's a nice way to work when you
are used to it.  ;-)

Scott


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RE: mySQL and Rev 2.7 - fails once built app

[John Tregea]

Dear Chipp,

Thanks for your help, I am experimenting now.

Regards

John T

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chipp Walters
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 2:16 PM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: mySQL and Rev 2.7 - fails once built app

Hi John,

There's different places now for where to put the db drivers, etc.. I've 
got a post on our webpage which describes where to put the files in 2.7 
for altSQLite. Perhaps it can be of help.

http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/altSQLiteSub/Support.htm

best,

Chipp

John Tregea wrote:

 I have been evaluating Revolution for an upcoming project and just opened
a
 previous trial project in 2.7. Working in the development environemtn it
 connects to mySQL correctly but once I build (for Windows) it no longer
 connects to the database. I did include the database and mySQL libraries
in
 the standalone app settings.

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RE: mySQL and Rev 2.7 - fails once built app

[John Tregea]

Dear Tom,

Hmmm... Good questions you ask.

I started the stack in Rev 2.6.1 then opened it in 2.7 Enterprise for a
final evaluation (when it came out). I use no other libraries or plugins.

It was no problem in 2.6.1 to build the app onto my desktop (Win XP Pro) and
then run the built app from that location. The mySQL login worked like a
charm in that scenario.

Now with 2.7 Enterprise the login fails when the app is built and placed on
the desktop. I have some other info from Chipp that I am investigating now
too.

Thanks again for your continued help.

Regards

John

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas McGrath
III
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 11:10 PM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: mySQL and Rev 2.7 - fails once built app

John, actually what you said is the two areas that don't change when  
going from the ide to a standalone. When I first started building  
standalones it was file paths that tripped me up because they change  
as the app is moved around etc.

I think we need a little more information about the stack/app.
Have you built this app before and had it working?
Are you using any other libraries?
Was the trial project coded in a previous version?



Tom

On Feb 23, 2006, at 4:13 AM, John Tregea wrote:

 Dear Tom,

 Thanks for the speedy advice. Wish my brain was as speedy at  
 understanding
 though... I am not sure which paths you mean. When I build the app,  
 it puts
 the libraries in the same directory as the new app. My mySQL is  
 used via the
 127.0.0.1 (localhost) address and that is shown correctly in a  
 field for the
 user to change in the future. Can you point me more definitively?  
 Thanks

 John

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of  
 Thomas McGrath
 III
 Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 12:31 PM
 To: How to use Revolution
 Subject: Re: mySQL and Rev 2.7 - fails once built app

 John,

 The paths will change between using the IDE and then building the
 standalone. You will need to check them.

 HTH

 Tom


 On Feb 22, 2006, at 11:12 PM, John Tregea wrote:

 Hi,



 I have been evaluating Revolution for an upcoming project and just
 opened a
 previous trial project in 2.7. Working in the development
 environemtn it
 connects to mySQL correctly but once I build (for Windows) it no
 longer
 connects to the database. I did include the database and mySQL
 libraries in
 the standalone app settings.



 Has anyone else experienced this? Or knows what to do?



 Regards



 John Tregea

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Re: SetWindow

[Robert Presender]

Thank you Ken.  Just what I needed.

Regards ... Bob

On Feb 23, 2006, at 10:00 AM, Ken Ray wrote:


On 2/23/06 8:34 AM, Robert Presender [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


SuperCard has a command:   setWindow window x

If used,  it negates the need to use 'of window x'.

So far, I haven't found a Rev command that I can use as a replacement.


 set the defaultStack to stackName

HTH,

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
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Focus on an external app

[Paul Consolo]

I've a button that paste a text, and I'd like to have this text to be pasted
on an external app (a text editor window, an email message, etc.) WITHOUT
knowing before the name of that app (the app will be the one focused
immediately before I push the button on my Rev stack).

There's a way?


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There's a cockroach in my soup...

[Bob Warren]

In a Restaurant

Customer #1: Waiter! Excuse me, but there's a cockroach in my soup.
Waiter: So?
Customer #2: What do you mean, So??
Waiter: Well, that's quite normal.
Customer #1: What?!
Waiter (to Customer #2): Excuse me sir, but do you have any cockroaches 
in your soup?

Customer #2: No.
Waiter: This gentleman does. Are you worried about it?
Customer #2: Not particularly. My soup's OK.
Waiter (to Customer #1): Eat up your soup, sir.

---
Bob Warren (Playwright)

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There's a bug in my cockroach in my soup

[Bob Warren]

Line 3 of There's a cockroach in my soup should read Customer #1 and 
not Customer #2. Please send me your votes on the importance of this 
bug. If I receive enough votes, I will change it. Otherwise, it stays.


Thank you very much.

Bob Warren (playwright)

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Re: There's a bug in my cockroach in my soup

[Dave Cope]

Bob Warren wrote:
Line 3 of There's a cockroach in my soup should read Customer #1 and 
not Customer #2. Please send me your votes on the importance of this 
bug. If I receive enough votes, I will change it. Otherwise, it stays.


Thank you very much.

Bob Warren (playwright)

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I hadn't noticed the bug as as it didn't effect me I vote for it to say!

Wicked indictment of the software Industry :-)

Kind Regards,
--
Dave Cope,
IT - Biodiversity Information Service for Powys
and Brecon Beacons National Park.

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Tele: 01874-610881
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Re: File sharing, locking, etc... between multiple users...

[Jonathan Lynch]

I just changed the scripts in Task Mage and Remote Task Mage to use flag
files...

This turns out to be a much more elegant approach. Simplifies things in a
number of places. These kinds of discussions are very useful for programmers
who are self-taught.

:)

Jonathan
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Re: So long and thanks for all the stacks...

[Jonathan Lynch]

I don't understand...

Why is Xavier giving up on Rev?


On 2/24/06, Scott Kane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Xavier,

 I really think you're overacting just a tiddly
 bit...


 Scott


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Re: So long and thanks for all the stacks...

[Jim Ault]

On 2/24/06 7:00 AM, Jonathan Lynch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I don't understand...
 
 Why is Xavier giving up on Rev?

Probably reached a point where the hours he spends trying to get tools
working don't get him where he needs/wants to go.  Sounds like he has built
a very extensive environment that has been a serious challenge to integrate
and the Rev upgrade path added too much difficulty.

Not sure, but he may have turned to something that is not as quick, but will
allow him to develop for his work flow without the stumbling blocks.

I know that had to shift away from Hypercard and if it was not for
Revolution, I would be mired in learning yet another difficult language to
build software for my two businesses.  Fortunately for me, Rev 2.6.1 on Mac
and Win32 will do all that I need for the next several years.


Jim Ault
Las Vegas


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I Can't download 2.7 for OS X

[LunchnMeets]

Hi Everyone,

I've tried several times, but I've been unsuccessful in downloading 2.7 for 
the Mac OS X. Is there something I'm doing wrong?

Joe
Orlando, Florida
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Re: Opening Hypercard Stack with Revolution 2.7

[simplsol]

I have gone back to 2.6.1 so I can't speak directly to the issue. 
However, be sure you have compacted your HC stack before trying to 
convert it (sometimes two or even three times). This would help with 
prior versions.

Paul Looney

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Sent: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 08:02:15 +0100
Subject: Opening Hypercard Stack with Revolution 2.7

   I Cant open any hypercard stack file with Revolution 2.7, even a 
simple stack with 1 card 1 field no external ressources and no script ( 
this just for trial). 

I get an error message there was a problem opening this stack 
Is this a problem known with 2.7 ? 
 
 
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Version plugin for 2.7?

[Devin Asay]

Sorry, I lost the URL for downloading Chipp's plugin--the one that  
lets you save a stack in 2.6.x from 2.7. I had intended to download  
it, but can't find it now.


Can anyone help me out?

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University

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Re: So long and thanks for all the stacks...

[Sean Shao]

I don't understand... Why is Xavier giving up on Rev?


It seems that you're not signed up on the MetaCard list, but there was some 
accusations from RR in regards to Xavier's license..


http://mail.runrev.com/pipermail/metacard/2006-February/009018.html
http://mail.runrev.com/pipermail/metacard/2006-February/009033.html
http://mail.runrev.com/pipermail/metacard/2006-February/009034.html

We'll miss you X,

-Sean

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Re: On the Democratic Operation of Bugzilla

[Rob Cozens]

Garrett:

This is not about influencing the direction of the product.  This is 
about how bug reports should be directly given to the company, the 
company should track it internally and insure that it's taken care of. 
 Users should not have to do anything else, that's why they pay 
Runtime for the product.




RR bug reports are directly given to the company by posting a report in 
the Bugzilla database... preferably  after checking to see if the 
problem has been previously reported.  The information recorded [except 
votes] is the same information that would be asked of you if you were 
reporting the problem via telephone.


RRLtd and any interested users can track bugs internally by querying 
BZ.  Once a problem is reported, one does not _have_ to do anything 
else.


I believe the crux of your issue is the insure that it's taken care 
of, and I suggest that has little to do with the way it's reported and 
tracked.  How do you suppose RRLtd would process bug reports submitted 
by telephone?  Don't you imagine the Tech Support person taking the 
call would enter the information in a bug database like BZ?


So unless you take issue with going online and reporting a bug to BZ 
instead of taking up the time of someone who could be fixing bugs but 
instead must sit on the phone and ask you to relate the information, or 
take issue with the fact that users as well as RRLtd staff can track 
the information, I don't see BZ as the culprit.


I get the feeling that you are taken back by the number of items on the 
BZ bug list and the amount of time some items remain unresolved.


Based on my thirty year's experience in the field, I suggest that there 
is NO bug-free application of any scope or complexity on the market 
today.  When I ran DG Minis for Oakland Police Department, I would 
receive monthly a 350+ page book listing all known bugs in Data General 
software.  Those bugs did not prevent us from performing our daily dp 
tasks.


Most companies keep their bug lists internal, but virtually all 
companies have them.  The philosophy of the original owners of FlexWare 
was we won't make our bug list public because people will think our 
product is no good (and perhaps Dan and others' panning of BZ may 
prove their point).  What I saw was people responding what's the 
matter with the people at Flexware that they don't know about this 
problem when they crashed the system doing something they wouldn't 
have done if they had been warned on a bug list.


Counting bugs gives one little indication of the overall quality of the 
product without taking into account their nature and severity.  How 
many the rectangle graphic is rendered one pixel short on XP systems 
when the width is odd bugs equate to one Rev 2.7.1 crashes in Win XP 
when I copy to the Clipboard bug?  How many bugs in BZ are of the 
former type?  How many are the latter?  I think you need to know this 
before you can make quality judgments of Revolution based on the number 
of entries in Bugzilla.


Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company

And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee.

from The Triple Foole by John Donne (1572-1631)

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RE: So long and thanks for all the stacks...

[Lynn Fredricks]

 I don't understand... Why is Xavier giving up on Rev?
 
 It seems that you're not signed up on the MetaCard list, but 
 there was some accusations from RR in regards to Xavier's license.

There are some issues solely between Xavier and RR which were on the list
but had no business being on the list. Some information was wrong.

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
President
Proactive International, LLC

- Because it is about who you know.(tm)
http://www.proactive-intl.com


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RE: So long and thanks for all the stacks...

[MisterX]

That part of it was a quiproquo and I dont blame rev for it. 
At least once they did read what I said and acted on it!

Like I said, no hard feelings, I look forward to other 
creative activities beyond programming! It's sad to throw away such
a long enterprise as was TAOO and the long hours chatting in 
the list. HAD I known! Famous last words ;)

Believe me the bigger loss is not mine...

The decision was fostered by rev's reactions - true but the decision
came to me in light of exploiting other fun stuff like music composition,
racing engineering and skills, sci fi writing which were all in the
backburner due to the time I spent before during and after work
in Rev, and usually also for rev at my own cost.

Please be cool with rev, help them make their tools better for you.

Cheers
Xavier


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
 Sean Shao
 Sent: Friday, 24 February, 2006 17:27
 To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com
 Subject: Re: So long and thanks for all the stacks...
 
 I don't understand... Why is Xavier giving up on Rev?
 
 It seems that you're not signed up on the MetaCard list, but 
 there was some accusations from RR in regards to Xavier's license..
 
 http://mail.runrev.com/pipermail/metacard/2006-February/009018.html
 http://mail.runrev.com/pipermail/metacard/2006-February/009033.html
 http://mail.runrev.com/pipermail/metacard/2006-February/009034.html
 
 We'll miss you X,
 
 -Sean
 
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Re: So long and thanks for all the stacks...

[Jonathan Lynch]

My goodness...

I read those links. That was painful to read. All of that over a single
license!
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Showing linkText on mouse over

[Devin Asay]

I have an application with a field that can have link style text in  
it. I wanted the contents of the linkText of link-style text to show  
up in a field when you mouse over it, just like in a web browser when  
you mouse over a hot link. So I wrote this handler in the field.


on mouseWithin
  if the textStyle of the mouseText contains link then
put the linkText of the mouseText into fld status
  else
put empty into fld status
  end if
end mouseWithin

It works great, but it intermittently blocks the linkClicked handler  
in the same field from executing. I assume it's because the  
mouseWithin message is sent continuously and it's occasionally  
blocking the mouse clicks. Can anyone suggest a more reliable way to  
make these functionalities play nicely together?


Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University

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RE: So long and thanks for all the stacks...

[MisterX]

 Not sure, but he may have turned to something that is not as 
 quick, but will allow him to develop for his work flow 
 without the stumbling blocks.

Actually im turning to stuff that is light-years ahead of rev...

These include:
http://flstudio.com - the easiest music production studio out there
http://gtlegends.com (see also the reviews on http://bhmotorsports.com)

And tuning my car for the Ring... Eventually building or restoring a real GT
race car...

--

For work, where I used MC for storage management (large scale), the new 2003
server release from MS will surely do the job since I comes with those
features I made in MC. Since we have an full enterprise license for that, we
can have direct engineering support from MS. 

Less work... believe me is better!

cheers
Xavier

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Ault
 Sent: Friday, 24 February, 2006 16:59
 To: How to use Revolution
 Subject: Re: So long and thanks for all the stacks...
 
 On 2/24/06 7:00 AM, Jonathan Lynch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  I don't understand...
  
  Why is Xavier giving up on Rev?
 
 Probably reached a point where the hours he spends trying to 
 get tools working don't get him where he needs/wants to go.  
 Sounds like he has built a very extensive environment that 
 has been a serious challenge to integrate and the Rev upgrade 
 path added too much difficulty.
 
 Not sure, but he may have turned to something that is not as 
 quick, but will allow him to develop for his work flow 
 without the stumbling blocks.
 
 I know that had to shift away from Hypercard and if it was 
 not for Revolution, I would be mired in learning yet another 
 difficult language to build software for my two businesses.  
 Fortunately for me, Rev 2.6.1 on Mac and Win32 will do all 
 that I need for the next several years.
 
 
 Jim Ault
 Las Vegas
 
 
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Re: Showing linkText on mouse over

[Jonathan Lynch]

Yes...

I do this in Task Mage.

The field that displays the link text needs to be placed lower than the
mouseloc, so that it does not get in the way.

I set it up in task mage so that you can display the link, then either click
the link, or move the mouse down and highlight the displayed linktext in
order to copy it.

The relevant scripts are too large to post here...

but I can send you either the scripts or the stack off-list if you wish.

Take care,

Jonathan
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Re: File sharing, locking, etc... between multiple users...

[Jim Ault]

On 2/24/06 6:55 AM, Jonathan Lynch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I just changed the scripts in Task Mage and Remote Task Mage to use flag
 files... 

Since you are now using flag files, here some ways I use them in one of my
businesses.

1-- The file contains data for another stack or app.  The destination app
looks for the filename every second, and when found reads it, then deletes
it.  Thus the flag is simply the appearance of the file.

2-- This same file is read, deleted, and then written out as
filenameSTOR.txt in order to keep the most current version for debugging.

3-- This same file is read, deleted, and a log notation is
put logNotation  cr before url (File: pathh  logFile)

4-- The file is read, copied to another folder, deleted.  The copy appearing
in the second folder will trigger another app to do some processing.

5-- The file is read, actions are taken to produce a result, then that
result is written to a second folder, triggering another app to munch a
bunch.

6-- Occasionally maintenance and interface adjustments require that I
re-read the deleted file.  So, I simply read the filenameSTOR version.  This
is a case where my app reads several different files created by more than
one app, each on its own event loop.

Hope this helps.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


On 2/24/06 6:55 AM, Jonathan Lynch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I just changed the scripts in Task Mage and Remote Task Mage to use flag
 files...
 
 This turns out to be a much more elegant approach. Simplifies things in a
 number of places. These kinds of discussions are very useful for programmers
 who are self-taught.
 


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Re: So long and thanks for all the stacks...

[Thomas McGrath III]

I don't see how flstudio or gtlegends has anything to do with Rev,  
but Hey good luck to you.


Maybe we'll see you around, dude.

Tom

On Feb 24, 2006, at 12:15 PM, MisterX wrote:


Actually im turning to stuff that is light-years ahead of rev...

These include:
http://flstudio.com - the easiest music production studio out there
http://gtlegends.com (see also the reviews on http:// 
bhmotorsports.com)


And tuning my car for the Ring... Eventually building or restoring  
a real GT

race car...


Thomas J McGrath III
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Lazy River Software™ - http://www.lazyriversoftware.com

Lazy River Metal Art™ - http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/metal.html

Meeting Wear™ - http://www.cafepress.com/meetingwear

Semantic Compaction Systems - http://www.minspeak.com

SCIconics, LLC - http://www.sciconics.com/sciindex.html







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Re: Showing linkText on mouse over

[Devin Asay]

Jonathan,

Thanks for the reply.

On Feb 24, 2006, at 10:19 AM, Jonathan Lynch wrote:

The field that displays the link text needs to be placed lower than  
the

mouseloc, so that it does not get in the way.


I'm not sure I'm following this. By 'link text' do you mean text with  
link style or the linkText property of a chunk of text? What do you  
mean by placing it 'lower than the mouseloc'?


I set it up in task mage so that you can display the link, then  
either click
the link, or move the mouse down and highlight the displayed  
linktext in

order to copy it.


All I really need to do is display the linkText so the user knows  
where the mouseClick will take them.


I actually modified my handler to add an interrupt at the beginning:

on mouseWithin
  if the mouse is down then exit mouseWithin ## interrupt this  
handler to pay attention to the mouse.

  if the textStyle of the mouseText contains link then
put the linkText of the mouseText into fld status
  else
put empty into fld status
  end if
end mouseWithin

It seems to be working reliably now. Anybody know of any reason why  
this approach might be a bad idea? Sort of like how we've been  
encouraged not to use things like 'wait until the mouseClick'?


Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University

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RE: So long and thanks for all the stacks...

[MisterX]

 I don't see how flstudio or gtlegends has anything to do with 
 Rev, but Hey good luck to you.
 
 Maybe we'll see you around, dude.
 
 Tom

FLStudio you could compare to rev very easily.

Any audio sample, filter, channel, controller, keyboard, setting or
automation is an object you stack up in a song. The comparison stops there,
rev is xplatform, FLS is bug-free and updates are for life! 

GTLegends is a pure simulator... Like rev it allowed me to test the limits
of any object-model (like gambling games and cars + chassis settings +
physics of driving techniques under different conditions)... The visual and
aural results are as good (in 2.7 at least) as the skill and time you put
into it... Where rev is xplatform, GTLegends is threading like I wish rev
could! Both also share bugs agogo, expert user challenge I some cases and no
support.

Finally all three grant you a user experience reward which is as rich as you
want, unlimited in capacity and just pure bliss...

 Maybe we'll see you around, dude.

Anyone can mail me before they come to luxembourg for a beer, good food and
loads of laughs! ;)

cheers
Xavier



 -Original Message-
 From: Thomas McGrath III [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Friday, 24 February, 2006 18:27
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; How to use Revolution
 Subject: Re: So long and thanks for all the stacks...
 
 I don't see how flstudio or gtlegends has anything to do with 
 Rev, but Hey good luck to you.
 
 Maybe we'll see you around, dude.
 
 Tom
 
 On Feb 24, 2006, at 12:15 PM, MisterX wrote:
 
  Actually im turning to stuff that is light-years ahead of rev...
 
  These include:
  http://flstudio.com - the easiest music production studio out there 
  http://gtlegends.com (see also the reviews on http://
  bhmotorsports.com)
 
  And tuning my car for the Ring... Eventually building or 
 restoring a 
  real GT race car...
 
 Thomas J McGrath III
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 Lazy River SoftwareT - http://www.lazyriversoftware.com
 
 Lazy River Metal ArtT - http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/metal.html
 
 Meeting WearT - http://www.cafepress.com/meetingwear
 
 Semantic Compaction Systems - http://www.minspeak.com
 
 SCIconics, LLC - http://www.sciconics.com/sciindex.html
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

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Re: Showing linkText on mouse over

[Jonathan Lynch]

hello,

What I mean is this:

Pretend the following is a link:Q


When your mouse moves over the Q, you display a field that shows the content
of the linktext. You have to make sure the position of that field does not
cover the link, and that it moves with the mouse.

Like this (untested, but derived from a longer working script):

on mousemove
  if the mousecharchunk  empty and the linktext of the mousecharchunk 
empty then
   set the cursor to Hand
   lock cursor
   put the linktext of the mousecharchunk into field display field
   put the mouseloc into tLoc
   put (item 1 of tLoc) - 10 into Y
   put (item 2 of tLoc) - (the width of field display field)/2 into X
   set the topleft of field display field to X,Y
   set the visible of field display field to true
  else
   unlock cursor
   if the visible of field display field = true then
 set the visible of field display field to false
   end if
  end if
end mousemove


The actual script I use is more complex, because it adjusts the size of the
display field as needed, and has corrections to keep the field within the
stack window, and does a bunch of other stuff - but this is the basic idea.
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Windows beep

[J. Landman Gay]

We've had a report in the tech support queue that the beep command 
does not work on a Windows machine with Rev Studio. I am fairly sure 
that this isn't a general problem or we would have heard about it, but I 
wanted to ask here if anyone else has seen this.


This person has tested on two different Windows machines (Rev 2.7 
Studio) with the same results.


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Re: Opening Hypercard Stack with Revolution 2.7

[J. Landman Gay]

BRAMI wrote:
I Cant open any  hypercard stack file with  Revolution 2.7, even a  
simple stack with 1 card 1 field  no external ressources and no  script 
( this just for trial).

I get an error message  there was a problem opening this stack
Is this a problem known with 2.7 ?


Yes, it is a known problem that's now been fixed. The final 2.7 release 
will work. Just a little temporary oopsie. ;)


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Re: Showing linkText on mouse over

[Devin Asay]

On Feb 24, 2006, at 11:10 AM, Jonathan Lynch wrote:


hello,

What I mean is this:

Pretend the following is a link:Q


When your mouse moves over the Q, you display a field that shows  
the content
of the linktext. You have to make sure the position of that field  
does not

cover the link, and that it moves with the mouse.


Ah, I see. Actually my situation is a bit different. The field I am  
putting the contents of the linkText into is in a fixed location  
below the field with the links in it, so there is never a physical  
interference between the two. What I was finding was that using  
either a mouseWithin or a mouseMove handler was somehow preventing  
the linkClicked handler from being invoked when I clicked on some  
linked text. The visited property of the linked text chunk would even  
get set to true and the text would change to the visited color, but  
the linkClicked handler would intermittently not run. I solved it by  
adding 'if the mouse is down then exit mouseWithin' at the beginning  
of my mouseWithin handler.


Thanks.

devin


Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University

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Re: Windows beep

[Bill Marriott]

Rev's beep command on Windows sounds the internal PC speaker/buzzer. It 
does not issue a sound through the audio card. If a user does not have an 
internal speaker connected (many systems do not), they will not hear 
anything when the beep command is issued.

Bill

J. Landman Gay [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 We've had a report in the tech support queue that the beep command does 
 not work on a Windows machine with Rev Studio. I am fairly sure that this 
 isn't a general problem or we would have heard about it, but I wanted to 
 ask here if anyone else has seen this.

 This person has tested on two different Windows machines (Rev 2.7 Studio) 
 with the same results.

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Re: Showing linkText on mouse over

[Jonathan Lynch]

Cool, sorry I misunderstood.

Just in case you need it, you can also click links within unlocked fields,
using the selectionchanged handler.
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Re: On the Democratic Operation of Bugzilla

[Gregory Lypny]

Hello Tom,

Actually, I couldn't make a balance sheet balance for the life of me  
(no offence to any accountants on this list), but I do appreciate  
your thoughtful analogy.  It falls short of our Bugzilla deal,  
though.  Accountants receive disparate (not desperate; that would be  
Nortel and Enrol) audit and tax preparation jobs from clients whose  
businesses and accounting practices the accounting firm often knows  
little about (and sometimes the clients know little about as well).   
Not so with Runtime Revolution.  The Revolution team built it,  
maintains it, and we use it; and my understanding is that the program  
itself is a series of stacks and is based on HyperTalk (or whatever  
the language is called).   So, receiving a stream of e-mails with bug  
reports should be quite informative for the Revolution team.  Same  
bug pops up in a lot of subject headers tells the team that there's a  
problem affecting a lot of users, and it's a big enough of an  
annoyance to get those users to write in about it.  The Revolution  
team then has to use its judgement about prioritizing the fixes.   
They know enough about the program to do that, and there's nothing  
about Bugzilla, as far as I see, that helps them do their job better.


Regards,

Gregory

On Fri, Feb 24, 2006, at 10:10 AM, Thomas McGrath III:


Dear Gregory,

That would be like a few hundred people bringing an accountant
hundreds of boxes of receipts from the past three years (some taxable
and some not along with every bill too) and saying there was no real
need for any kind of user contributed record keeping or for that
matter questions and answers about their own expenses and then all of
them at once saying But where's my REFUND I want it now, why didn't
you prepare mine first, how come you did theirs first etc.

(Just to keep it real and since you are an Associate Professor of
Finance I thought the analogy would be close your heart)

Regards,

Tom


On Feb 23, 2006, at 7:38 PM, Gregory Lypny wrote:


Well put, Dan.

But I don't see the point of Bugzilla at all.  Seems to me that all
bugs, big and small, should to be fixed, and a simple word to the
Revolution people ought to be enough to get the ball rolling.

Gregory Lypny

Associate Professor of Finance
John Molson School of Business
Concordia University
Montreal, Canada


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Re: So long and thanks for all the stacks...

[Charles Hartman]

FLStudio sounds cool, I thought . . .
Eww, but it runs on Windows!

Charles (dodging)


On Feb 24, 2006, at 12:15 PM, MisterX wrote:


Not sure, but he may have turned to something that is not as
quick, but will allow him to develop for his work flow
without the stumbling blocks.


Actually im turning to stuff that is light-years ahead of rev...

These include:
http://flstudio.com - the easiest music production studio out there
http://gtlegends.com (see also the reviews on http:// 
bhmotorsports.com)


And tuning my car for the Ring... Eventually building or restoring  
a real GT

race car...

--

For work, where I used MC for storage management (large scale), the  
new 2003

server release from MS will surely do the job since I comes with those
features I made in MC. Since we have an full enterprise license for  
that, we

can have direct engineering support from MS.

Less work... believe me is better!

cheers
Xavier


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim  
Ault

Sent: Friday, 24 February, 2006 16:59
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: So long and thanks for all the stacks...

On 2/24/06 7:00 AM, Jonathan Lynch [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
wrote:



I don't understand...

Why is Xavier giving up on Rev?


Probably reached a point where the hours he spends trying to
get tools working don't get him where he needs/wants to go.
Sounds like he has built a very extensive environment that
has been a serious challenge to integrate and the Rev upgrade
path added too much difficulty.

Not sure, but he may have turned to something that is not as
quick, but will allow him to develop for his work flow
without the stumbling blocks.

I know that had to shift away from Hypercard and if it was
not for Revolution, I would be mired in learning yet another
difficult language to build software for my two businesses.
Fortunately for me, Rev 2.6.1 on Mac and Win32 will do all
that I need for the next several years.


Jim Ault
Las Vegas


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Re: So long and thanks for all the stacks...

[Jonathan Lynch]

 Anyone can mail me before they come to luxembourg for a beer, good food
and
loads of laughs! ;)

cheers
Xavier

I, for one, shall have wine tonight, and shall toast Xavier to my wife.
(Who will probably look at me funny and ask who the heck that is.)

J
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Re: use-revolution Digest, Vol 29, Issue 63

[Gregory Lypny]

Hi Mark,

I am thick as a brick, but by golly, I know when someone is poking  
fun at my naivety.  I live next door, so it wouldn't be sporting of  
me to comment on the performance of the West Wing.  I wish we had a  
Prime Minister as cool as your President.  I think Martin Sheen is  
great.


So you think it's a fair comparison, eh?  I mean the problems facing  
the White House and those facing the Revolution team.  I think  
Revolution is desperately underpriced then.


Regards,

Gregory


On Fri, Feb 24, 2006, at 10:10 AM, use-revolution- 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



And it seems to me that all problems in the world, big and small,
should be fixed, and a simple word to the Whitehouse people should be
enough to get the ball rolling.

:)

Mark

On 24 Feb 2006, at 00:38, Gregory Lypny wrote:


 Seems to me that all bugs, big and small, should to be fixed, and
a simple word to the Revolution people ought to be enough to get
the ball rolling.




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Re: On the Democratic Operation of Bugzilla

[Dan Shafer]

Garrett.

I've spent the better part of my adult life in the software biz and I
think your reaction here was really, really extreme. You said:

You don't release
products if you know it still contains bugs!  You don't upgrade your
product unless the upgrade fixes all the prior bugs.

I don't know if I've *ever* released a piece of bug-free software. In
fact, there is some theoretical support for the argument that there's
no such thing as bug-free software, only software whose bugs have not
yet been discovered by a user. A product as complex as Revolution is
bound to have bugs forever. The issue is whether there are bugs that:
(a) prevent the product from being usable for which (b) there are no
workarounds.

I am willing to pay for upgrades and updates as long as great progress
is made toward fixing the blocker bugs at the same time. Otherwise,
the economic incentive to fix bugs goes away.

And just FWIW, I don't think Rev's pricing is outrageous at all. Given
what it allows me to accomplish, Rev is if anything underpriced. But
don't tell them that, OK?

~~
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Re: Showing linkText on mouse over

[Trevor DeVore]

On Feb 24, 2006, at 9:04 AM, Devin Asay wrote:

I have an application with a field that can have link style text in  
it. I wanted the contents of the linkText of link-style text to  
show up in a field when you mouse over it, just like in a web  
browser when you mouse over a hot link. So I wrote this handler in  
the field.


on mouseWithin
  if the textStyle of the mouseText contains link then
put the linkText of the mouseText into fld status
  else
put empty into fld status
  end if
end mouseWithin

It works great, but it intermittently blocks the linkClicked  
handler in the same field from executing. I assume it's because the  
mouseWithin message is sent continuously and it's occasionally  
blocking the mouse clicks. Can anyone suggest a more reliable way  
to make these functionalities play nicely together?


Devin,

Would something like this work:

on mouseMove pX, pY
if word 1 of the target is field then
if the mouseChunk is not empty then
get the linkText of the mouseChunk
if it is not empty then
set toolTip of the target to it
else
set toolTip of the target to empty
end if
end if
end if

pass mouseMove
end mouseMove

It just sets the tooltip of the field to the linkText which will  
appear below the cursor.



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Re: Windows beep

[Trevor DeVore]

On Feb 24, 2006, at 11:03 AM, Bill Marriott wrote:

Rev's beep command on Windows sounds the internal PC speaker/ 
buzzer. It
does not issue a sound through the audio card. If a user does not  
have an

internal speaker connected (many systems do not), they will not hear
anything when the beep command is issued.


The beep that Rev plays on Windows isn't very pleasant.  A long time  
ago a client complained about it and so I implemented the beep sound  
that Windows apps usually play.  This worked on Win2000 and XP at the  
time though I haven't tested it in a while.


put queryRegistry (HKEY_CURRENT_USER\AppEvents\Schemes\Apps\.Default 
\SystemExclamation\.Default\) \

into tWinBeepFile   
replace %SystemRoot% with specialFolderPath (System) in tWinBeepFile
replace / with \ in tWinBeepFile
if there is a file tWinBeepFile then
play tWinBeepFile
end if

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Re: Showing linkText on mouse over

[Jeanne A. E. DeVoto]

At 10:49 AM -0700 2/24/2006, Devin Asay wrote:

on mouseWithin
  if the mouse is down then exit mouseWithin ## interrupt this 
handler to pay attention to the mouse.

  if the textStyle of the mouseText contains link then
put the linkText of the mouseText into fld status
  else
put empty into fld status
  end if
end mouseWithin

It seems to be working reliably now. Anybody know of any reason why 
this approach might be a bad idea? Sort of like how we've been 
encouraged not to use things like 'wait until the mouseClick'?


It shouldn't be a problem the way you're using it here. The mouse 
function can eat CPU if it's being polled - called repeatedly, as in 
wait until the mouse is down or repeat until the mouse is up or 
similar - but here you're only calling it once per round of the 
handler. I think even Scott would approve. ;-)

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Re: On the Democratic Operation of Bugzilla

[Dan Shafer]

Rob

Fair enough. I hadn't considered that scenario. I stand corrected.



On 2/23/06, Rob Cozens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Dan, et al:

  If I create a new bug entry in Bugzilla, it would not even occur to me
  to vote for it. By posting it and giving it a rating, I think I *am*
  voting on it.

 I find posting and voting have totally different purposes.

 Example:  The last item I posted to BZ had to do with rectangle
 graphics not being rendered correctly on Win XP when their width was an
 odd number.  I had already changed my rectangle graphics to even pixel
 widths, and could care less if the bug is ever fixed.  My post was to
 alert the Run Rev Team and other developers that it exists.

 So posting simply says I found what I believe is a bug.

 Rating says This is my estimate of the severity of the bug

 Voting says This is my relative (among outstanding bugs) priority for
 fixing the bug.

 I can see your point that assigning a rating while posting implies a
 priority; but I'm not sure how that rating can be used to derive a
 relative priority among all outstanding items.

 Rob Cozens
 CCW, Serendipity Software Company

 And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
 Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee.

 from The Triple Foole by John Donne (1572-1631)

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Transcript and Dot Notation

[Dan Shafer]

I seem to have a knack for starting discussion threads that are
probably just close enough to being on topic to avoid their immediate
crushing by Listmom Heather and yet generate significant amounts of
message traffic for which some people here probably wish I would just
shut up or go away. Preferably both.

But Judy Perry, in the thread about Bugzilla that I started yesterday,
said something that I thought ought to spawn a new thread, so here it
is.

She said, Lingo went to c.dot.syntax.hell in a very short fashion... 
Please don't
let Transcript follow behind Lingo!

I am an object-oriented programmer by training and disposition. Every
single object oriented programming language that I've used (and I have
admittedly not used them all) with the single exception of Smalltalk
(which I actually think got it right) uses dot notation. Java.
JavaScript. Lingo. Ruby. Python. All of them. It is an accepted
convention in OO languages where it is essential to identify methods
and attributes with object namespaces.

So if Transcript does go object-oriented -- and I hope and believe it
will, though it may be an alternative fork rather than a forced switch
-- I hope it *does* in fact adopt dot notation so that all of us who
have trained our brains to think in those terms when we create and
program with objects will e comfortable doing so.

FWIW.
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Re: Transcript and Dot Notation

[Jonathan Lynch]

I love transcript.

It works the way I think.

A script like:

put Don't screw up Transcript into field What RunRev Should Do is just
very easy to conceive.



With transcript like it is, I spend my mental energy thinking about how my
program is going to work and interface, not translating my natural thoughts
into statements like:

 
.this.that.thatotherthing.IsThisParticularDotSupposedToBeAMethodOrAnObject.ShootMeNow


So, I vote for keeping transcript verbose and easy.
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Re: Transcript and Dot Notation

[Dan Shafer]

I don't disagree, Jonathan, but if you apply that logic to
object-orientation you find yourself in a syntax soup that is
difficult to resolve and leads to huge slowdowns in performance.

So if you vote to keep the language simple, you're voting to keep it
non-object-oriented. I'm OK with that but I vastly prefer that we take
an OO fork at this point.

On 2/24/06, Jonathan Lynch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I love transcript.

 It works the way I think.

 A script like:

 put Don't screw up Transcript into field What RunRev Should Do is just
 very easy to conceive.



 With transcript like it is, I spend my mental energy thinking about how my
 program is going to work and interface, not translating my natural thoughts
 into statements like:

  
 .this.that.thatotherthing.IsThisParticularDotSupposedToBeAMethodOrAnObject.ShootMeNow


 So, I vote for keeping transcript verbose and easy.
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Re: So long and thanks for all the stacks...

[Dan Shafer]

I have long been a supporter and fan of Xavier's. He attempted to
create a massive infrastructure in HyperCard and later began moving it
to Rev. He and I have had many very long exchanges about the object
orientation of what he was trying to build. I think he learned a lot
about how hard it is to create an OO world in a language that doesn't
think in objects. He sure taught me a few things in the process.

We'll miss you in Revland, Xavier, but you are following in
time-honored steps. When Bill Atkinson, the Father of HyperCard, moved
on, he moved all the way on, shifting his life focus away from
technology and into photography. Watershed moments come in the oddest
ways sometimes. Perhaps the push over the edge that Xavier felt at the
way he perceived being treated by RunRev will turn out to be in the
long run the best thing that could have happened for him.

I sincerely hope so.

On 2/24/06, Jonathan Lynch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Anyone can mail me before they come to luxembourg for a beer, good food
 and
 loads of laughs! ;)

 cheers
 Xavier

 I, for one, shall have wine tonight, and shall toast Xavier to my wife.
 (Who will probably look at me funny and ask who the heck that is.)

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Re: Transcript and Dot Notation

[Richard Gaskin]

Dan Shafer wrote:

I don't disagree, Jonathan, but if you apply that logic to
object-orientation you find yourself in a syntax soup that is
difficult to resolve and leads to huge slowdowns in performance.

So if you vote to keep the language simple, you're voting to keep it
non-object-oriented. I'm OK with that but I vastly prefer that we take
an OO fork at this point.


Agreed.  While there's been no public commitment on this topic from the 
mother ship, what hints we've been given suggest that the implementation 
would include OOP capabilities as OPTIONS for the scripter.


Nearly every discussion about this has been in terms of OPTIONS, so I'm 
not sure why there's this perception that new OPTIONS will be forced on 
people who choose not to use them.


To use a current example, regex is an OPTION.  If you don't like it you 
can parse strings using more verbose syntax.


As for dot-notation, I find the strongest resistance come from those who 
don't use languages in which it's supported.  This isn't to suggest that 
it's superior for all uses (nor is even OOP *always* superior to 
anything else; everything has trade-offs), but if we see OOP extensions 
to the language it would, as you note, make it unusually difficult to 
write and even more difficult to learn if it didn't use at least a few 
common OOP conventions.


Not everything that isn't Transcript is always wrong.  Sometimes there's 
a lot to learn from alternatives


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Re: Text Tools Palette-Gone?

[J. Landman Gay]

Sivakatirswami wrote:
 I meant an independent palette that set text properties for the
 selected text or object. Text Tools I vaguely recall we had that once.

Sounds like it may have been a custom plugin. If you look in your 
Plugins folder inside older Rev distributions you may find it. I don't 
know of anything like that which actually ships with Revolution.




 On Feb 23, 2006, at 4:45 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

 Do you mean the text properties in the inspector? It is still there.







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when Rev fails to send mouseEnter

[Dick Kriesel]

Here's a recipe to demonstrate that Rev usually fails to send mouseEnter to
a nearly vertical line:

Create a new mainstack.
Paste the following four lines into the multiple lines message box.
  create graphic
  set the style of it to line
  set the points of it to 200,100cr208,300
  set the script of it to on mouseEntercrbeepcrend mouseEnter
Press enter.
Move the mouse across the line at various points along the line.
Notice how rare the beeps are.

If you change the width of the graphic, the failure rate changes:  the
steeper the line, the greater the failure rate.  If you choose the pointer
tool, you can select the graphic where the beep occurs but can't select it
where the beep does not occur.  The problem does not affect a vertical line.

So a bug report seems worthwhile.  Does someone have insight into what the
problem actually is, or related evidence?

I've tried this only in Rev 2.7 with OS X 10.4.5.

-- Dick


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Re: Transcript and Dot Notation

[Jim Ault]

On 2/24/06 12:14 PM, Dan Shafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 .this.that.thatotherthing.IsThisParticularDotSupposedToBeAMethodOrAnObject.Sh
 ootMeNow 

My vote would be that the option to use dot notation would be quite welcome.
I, too, use programs that become much simpler and functional that way.

Of course, those who build simple, effective projects don't collide with
template objects, constructors, inheritance vs verbose function calls, etc.

One real-world object-oriented database we all use is the driver's license
database.  We all carry our own, it has unique data, and each is responsible
for maintaining it.  We are the object that owns the object.  The license
expires periodically, and definitely expires when we do.

Another object is the parking valet, whose knowledge and skills allows him
to deal with any vehicle, automatic or manual transmission, large or small,
rain or shine.  Once programmed, an object can be very powerful.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


On 2/24/06 12:14 PM, Dan Shafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I don't disagree, Jonathan, but if you apply that logic to
 object-orientation you find yourself in a syntax soup that is
 difficult to resolve and leads to huge slowdowns in performance.
 
 So if you vote to keep the language simple, you're voting to keep it
 non-object-oriented. I'm OK with that but I vastly prefer that we take
 an OO fork at this point.
 
 On 2/24/06, Jonathan Lynch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I love transcript.
 
 It works the way I think.
 
 A script like:
 
 put Don't screw up Transcript into field What RunRev Should Do is just
 very easy to conceive.
 
 
 
 With transcript like it is, I spend my mental energy thinking about how my
 program is going to work and interface, not translating my natural thoughts
 into statements like:
 
  
 .this.that.thatotherthing.IsThisParticularDotSupposedToBeAMethodOrAnObject.Sh
 ootMeNow
 
 
 So, I vote for keeping transcript verbose and easy.
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Re: Showing linkText on mouse over

[J. Landman Gay]

Devin Asay wrote:

I actually modified my handler to add an interrupt at the beginning:

on mouseWithin
  if the mouse is down then exit mouseWithin ## interrupt this  handler 
to pay attention to the mouse.

  if the textStyle of the mouseText contains link then
put the linkText of the mouseText into fld status
  else
put empty into fld status
  end if
end mouseWithin

It seems to be working reliably now. Anybody know of any reason why  
this approach might be a bad idea? Sort of like how we've been  
encouraged not to use things like 'wait until the mouseClick'?


The problem with polling the mouse repeatedly usually happens if you do 
it inside a repeat loop. There is no opportunity inside a loop for the 
CPU to do anything else, so all background processes come to a halt. In 
this case, mousewithin is sent by the engine and presumably allows 
time in between for background processes, so this method probably isn't 
too bad.


A send in time structure might be a marginally better approach 
anyway, because you could send the message at longer intervals than 
mouseWithin gets sent, allowing for more background time. But if you 
don't notice everything else on the computer grinding to a halt while 
your cursor is inside this field, then what you are doing is probably okay.



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Re: Windows beep

[J. Landman Gay]

Bill Marriott wrote:
Rev's beep command on Windows sounds the internal PC speaker/buzzer. It 
does not issue a sound through the audio card. If a user does not have an 
internal speaker connected (many systems do not), they will not hear 
anything when the beep command is issued.


Thanks. This appears to be the case in this situation, and is very helpful.

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Re: Windows beep

[Bill Marriott]

This has no effect on the beep command.

You're changing the registry to select a different WAV file than the default 
for SystemExclamation. You can set this value to anything you want and it 
still won't play.

As I stated before, beep doesn't play a WAV file (and doesn't use 
SystemExclamation). Rather, it activates the computer's internal speaker. 
This is not related to the audio card and it cannot (normally) play WAV 
files. (There used to be exciting utilities that would coax music and voice 
out of it.)

Some people hear this sound when they boot their computer as the POST 
completes. Over the years the internal speaker has atrophied from an actual 
speaker to a tiny piezoelectric buzzer, to none at all.

Bill

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 On Feb 24, 2006, at 11:03 AM, Bill Marriott wrote:

 Rev's beep command on Windows sounds the internal PC speaker/ buzzer. 
 It
 does not issue a sound through the audio card. If a user does not  have 
 an
 internal speaker connected (many systems do not), they will not hear
 anything when the beep command is issued.

 The beep that Rev plays on Windows isn't very pleasant.  A long time  ago 
 a client complained about it and so I implemented the beep sound  that 
 Windows apps usually play.  This worked on Win2000 and XP at the  time 
 though I haven't tested it in a while.

 put queryRegistry (HKEY_CURRENT_USER\AppEvents\Schemes\Apps\.Default 
 \SystemExclamation\.Default\) \
 into tWinBeepFile replace %SystemRoot% with specialFolderPath (System) 
 in tWinBeepFile
 replace / with \ in tWinBeepFile
 if there is a file tWinBeepFile then
 play tWinBeepFile
 end if

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Re: Windows beep

[Trevor DeVore]

On Feb 24, 2006, at 1:02 PM, Bill Marriott wrote:


This has no effect on the beep command.


True.  The code uses the play command to play the sound file that  
other Windows apps use (or at least that is what my client told me).


You're changing the registry to select a different WAV file than  
the default
for SystemExclamation. You can set this value to anything you  
want and it

still won't play.


The code doesn't actually change the registry.  It queries it to get  
the filepath to use with the play command.



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Re: Windows beep

[Thomas McGrath III]

Windows XPpro and Enterprise Revolution:

Beep works fine here in a new stack. The dogs hate that noise and are  
barking now.


Tom


On Feb 24, 2006, at 1:31 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

We've had a report in the tech support queue that the beep  
command does not work on a Windows machine with Rev Studio. I am  
fairly sure that this isn't a general problem or we would have  
heard about it, but I wanted to ask here if anyone else has seen this.


This person has tested on two different Windows machines (Rev 2.7  
Studio) with the same results.


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Re: Transcript and Dot Notation

[Judy Perry]

What possible competitive advantage does it offer to the company for it to
transform Transcript into yet another bit player in a very major league?

With it being an x-Talk, it offers certain advantages, such as ease of
learning/reading, that are all but nonexistant in your traditional
programming languages.  As such, it is a big player in a small league, but
it's almost completely a league of its own, a league that the company has
reported it finds profitable.

If, as we've often discussed, Rev is unable to compete with
C++/Java/dot.notation.flavor.of.the.month because of its very different
paradigm, how would making it over into just another minor OO language
make it more competitive?

I've said it before and will say it again:  If true OO is what you really
want, why not just use one of the bazillion OO languages?  Once Lingo went
down that route, it ceased to be a learnable language for ordinary humans.

And, as for OO being OPTIONAL in Rev, remember that it was optional in
Lingo, too.  Only, every single Lingo book on the market dealt in
dot.speak, not verbose speak.  Code fragments that floated about for
public consumption tended to be dot.speak, not verbose speak.

Remember the guy who not long ago wrote to the list who had problems
possibly with case statements and pWhiches?  What's going to happen when
those new users have a problem and everybody responds in dot.speak?

OPTIONAL dot.speak I fear will end Transcript's natural-language
orientation.

Judy

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  ootMeNow

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Re: Transcript and Dot Notation

[Peter T. Evensen]

At 02:02 PM 2/24/2006, you wrote:

I am an object-oriented programmer by training and disposition. Every
single object oriented programming language that I've used (and I have
admittedly not used them all) with the single exception of Smalltalk
(which I actually think got it right) uses dot notation.


Smalltalk got it right and didn't use dot-notation?  It's been a while 
since I've looked at Smalltalk; what did it do?  Would it's syntax be 
appropriate for Transcript?


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Re: On the Democratic Operation of Bugzilla

[Thomas McGrath III]

Well that figures, but hey what's a good discussion without  a few  
analogies, even wrong ones.


Regards,

Tom


On Feb 24, 2006, at 2:11 PM, Gregory Lypny wrote:


Hello Tom,

Actually, I couldn't make a balance sheet balance for the life of  
me (no offence to any accountants on this list), but I do  
appreciate your thoughtful analogy.  It falls short of our Bugzilla  
deal, though.


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Re: Transcript and Dot Notation

[Peter T. Evensen]

At 03:14 PM 2/24/2006, you wrote:

I've said it before and will say it again:  If true OO is what you really
want, why not just use one of the bazillion OO languages?  Once Lingo went
down that route, it ceased to be a learnable language for ordinary humans.


I think there are two issues here, or two competing goals:  make Rev a tool 
for the masses (Dan's Inventive User) and make Rev a more powerful 
development tool (for the programmer/professional).


As a professional developer, I would welcome more object-oriented 
facilities in Rev, but that can come at the price of making Rev less simple 
(but it doesn't have to).


My goal is to get things done quickly and easily.  Revolution allows me to 
do that now.  Adding OOP would probably make me more productive.


I could use one of the bazillion OO language, but I would not as productive 
because I have to spend more time coding the things the Rev engine does for 
me.  Some of my solutions, however, might be cleaner and more elegant 
because of the object-oriented nature of the program.  I could more closely 
tie code and data together into objects and not have to worry about 
unintended interactions.


It seems that Rev is walking a fine line in trying to address these two 
markets.  I think they are doing a good job.


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Re: Version plugin for 2.7?

[Sarah Reichelt]

On 2/25/06, Devin Asay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Sorry, I lost the URL for downloading Chipp's plugin--the one that
 lets you save a stack in 2.6.x from 2.7. I had intended to download
 it, but can't find it now.


 To get the StackFormat plugin, just type into your 2.7 message box and
 hit return the following:

 go URL http://www.gadgetplugins.com/altplugins/StackFormat.rev;

 Then save it to your plugins folder. That's all there is to it.

There you go,
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Re: Transcript and Dot Notation

[Richard Gaskin]

Judy Perry wrote:

OPTIONAL dot.speak I fear will end Transcript's natural-language
orientation.


Regex isn't exactly natural, but those that use it like that it's 
included as an OPTION.


I don't recall anyone saying that RunRev was going to force users to 
replace years of legacy code with dot notation, any more than they 
forced folks to stop parsing strings with chunk expressions when they 
added regex support.


OPTIONS mean choice.  Only you are in control of the choices you make.

You can choose to use regex and then complain about having made that 
choice, but no one from RunRev is making that choice for you.


This is so very non-controversial I'm surprised it comes up again and 
again as such


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Re: I Can't download 2.7 for OS X

[Sarah Reichelt]

On 2/25/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Everyone,

 I've tried several times, but I've been unsuccessful in downloading 2.7 for
 the Mac OS X. Is there something I'm doing wrong?


You have to download the installer, which then downloads the other
components. Are you still on line when running the installer? Or is it
the installer that you can't get?

Which version are you trying to get? I've downloaded the Enterprise
Edition without any problem.

Cheers,
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Re: Transcript and Dot Notation

[Thomas McGrath III]

No not this again

Why does he keep bringing this up?


Just poking fun,

Tom

I can read dot but have never really 'liked' it.

On Feb 24, 2006, at 3:02 PM, Dan Shafer wrote:


I seem to have a knack for starting discussion threads that are
probably just close enough to being on topic to avoid their immediate
crushing by Listmom Heather and yet generate significant amounts of
message traffic for which some people here probably wish I would just
shut up or go away. Preferably both.

But Judy Perry, in the thread about Bugzilla that I started yesterday,
said something that I thought ought to spawn a new thread, so here it
is.

She said, Lingo went to c.dot.syntax.hell in a very short fashion...
Please don't
let Transcript follow behind Lingo!

I am an object-oriented programmer by training and disposition. Every
single object oriented programming language that I've used (and I have
admittedly not used them all) with the single exception of Smalltalk
(which I actually think got it right) uses dot notation. Java.
JavaScript. Lingo. Ruby. Python. All of them. It is an accepted
convention in OO languages where it is essential to identify methods
and attributes with object namespaces.

So if Transcript does go object-oriented -- and I hope and believe it
will, though it may be an alternative fork rather than a forced switch
-- I hope it *does* in fact adopt dot notation so that all of us who
have trained our brains to think in those terms when we create and
program with objects will e comfortable doing so.

FWIW.
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Re: Transcript and Dot Notation

[Peter T. Evensen]

At 03:27 PM 2/24/2006, you wrote:
This is so very non-controversial I'm surprised it comes up again and 
again as such


If it keeps causing controversy, isn't it by definition 
controversial?  ;)  (I just couldn't resist)



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[Ann] Last chance for altSQLite3

[Chipp Walters]

Pricing will change over the weekend to the standard pricing. If you 
haven't upgraded or are interested in purchasing altSQLite3, you should 
check it out now!


best,
Chipp

http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/altSQLiteSub/Buy.htm

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play video clips on linux

[Andy Clay]

Hi

I am trying to build an app with rev that needs to run on linux, and 
must show some video clips. The clips are mpeg4, which is not playable 
with the xanim player.
There is the videoClipPlayer property mentioned in the help, but I can 
not make it work.  It would be ideal if I could make rev use the mplayer 
video player instead of xanim.  Has anyone managed to get this to work?


thanks... Andy
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Re: Transcript and Dot Notation

[Andre Garzia]

Folks,

taking the risk of sounding naive, why can't we deal with objects the  
way we deal with custom props?


for example imagine the following Traffic Light  object with  
properties and methods:


TrafficLight.stopColor --- Red
TrafficLight.attentionColor --- Yellow
TrafficLight.goColor--- Green!
TrafficLight.interval --- the interval for the cycle  
of yellow to red, for example 10 secs.
TrafficLight.cycleInterval--- the period the traffic light  
stays green or red before cycling, for example 45 secs.


Methods:

TrafficLight.go  -- Starts with go.
TrafficLight.stop -- Go to stop

So why can't we do transcript-ish things like:

set the stopColor of TrafficLight to red

set the interval of TrafficLight to 20 secs

and call methods like

send go to traffic light...

This would still be verbose enough to fell like transcript and maybe  
it could address the problem of transforming transcript into a weird  
lingo like language. Although I think that the parser for those  
things would be a little hard...


anyway, Mark should have better thoughts than me on this...



On Feb 24, 2006, at 6:14 PM, Judy Perry wrote:

What possible competitive advantage does it offer to the company  
for it to
transform Transcript into yet another bit player in a very major  
league?


With it being an x-Talk, it offers certain advantages, such as ease of
learning/reading, that are all but nonexistant in your traditional
programming languages.  As such, it is a big player in a small  
league, but
it's almost completely a league of its own, a league that the  
company has

reported it finds profitable.

If, as we've often discussed, Rev is unable to compete with
C++/Java/dot.notation.flavor.of.the.month because of its very  
different

paradigm, how would making it over into just another minor OO language
make it more competitive?

I've said it before and will say it again:  If true OO is what you  
really
want, why not just use one of the bazillion OO languages?  Once  
Lingo went
down that route, it ceased to be a learnable language for ordinary  
humans.


And, as for OO being OPTIONAL in Rev, remember that it was optional in
Lingo, too.  Only, every single Lingo book on the market dealt in
dot.speak, not verbose speak.  Code fragments that floated about for
public consumption tended to be dot.speak, not verbose speak.

Remember the guy who not long ago wrote to the list who had problems
possibly with case statements and pWhiches?  What's going to happen  
when

those new users have a problem and everybody responds in dot.speak?

OPTIONAL dot.speak I fear will end Transcript's natural-language
orientation.

Judy

.this.that.thatotherthing.IsThisParticularDotSupposedToBeAMethodOrA 
nObject.Sh

ootMeNow


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Re: Transcript and Dot Notation

[Phil Davis]

Hey, Andre, I like this!
Phil Davis


Andre Garzia wrote:

Folks,

taking the risk of sounding naive, why can't we deal with objects the  
way we deal with custom props?


for example imagine the following Traffic Light  object with  properties 
and methods:


TrafficLight.stopColor --- Red
TrafficLight.attentionColor --- Yellow
TrafficLight.goColor--- Green!
TrafficLight.interval --- the interval for the cycle  of 
yellow to red, for example 10 secs.
TrafficLight.cycleInterval--- the period the traffic light  
stays green or red before cycling, for example 45 secs.


Methods:

TrafficLight.go  -- Starts with go.
TrafficLight.stop -- Go to stop

So why can't we do transcript-ish things like:

set the stopColor of TrafficLight to red

set the interval of TrafficLight to 20 secs

and call methods like

send go to traffic light...

This would still be verbose enough to fell like transcript and maybe  it 
could address the problem of transforming transcript into a weird  lingo 
like language. Although I think that the parser for those  things would 
be a little hard...


anyway, Mark should have better thoughts than me on this...



On Feb 24, 2006, at 6:14 PM, Judy Perry wrote:

What possible competitive advantage does it offer to the company  for 
it to

transform Transcript into yet another bit player in a very major  league?

With it being an x-Talk, it offers certain advantages, such as ease of
learning/reading, that are all but nonexistant in your traditional
programming languages.  As such, it is a big player in a small  
league, but
it's almost completely a league of its own, a league that the  company 
has

reported it finds profitable.

If, as we've often discussed, Rev is unable to compete with
C++/Java/dot.notation.flavor.of.the.month because of its very  different
paradigm, how would making it over into just another minor OO language
make it more competitive?

I've said it before and will say it again:  If true OO is what you  
really
want, why not just use one of the bazillion OO languages?  Once  Lingo 
went
down that route, it ceased to be a learnable language for ordinary  
humans.


And, as for OO being OPTIONAL in Rev, remember that it was optional in
Lingo, too.  Only, every single Lingo book on the market dealt in
dot.speak, not verbose speak.  Code fragments that floated about for
public consumption tended to be dot.speak, not verbose speak.

Remember the guy who not long ago wrote to the list who had problems
possibly with case statements and pWhiches?  What's going to happen  when
those new users have a problem and everybody responds in dot.speak?

OPTIONAL dot.speak I fear will end Transcript's natural-language
orientation.

Judy

.this.that.thatotherthing.IsThisParticularDotSupposedToBeAMethodOrA 
nObject.Sh

ootMeNow



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Re: Showing linkText on mouse over

[Eric Chatonet]

Hi Devin,

MouseWithin is sent repeatedly by the engine all 200 milliseconds but  
I would prefer to use mouseMove that is also sent all 200  
milliseconds but only if the mouse moves.
I would also prefer to segment my code to take advantage of built-in  
messages and use the linkClicked message.


So:

on mouseMove
  switch
  case the mouseText = empty
unlock cursor
break
  case link is in the textStyle of the mouseChunk
set the cursor to hand
lock cursor
break
  default
unlock cursor
  end switch
end mouseMove
---
on linkClicked
  put the linkText of the mouseText into fld status
end linkClicked

Le 24 févr. 06 à 18:49, Devin Asay a écrit :


on mouseWithin
  if the mouse is down then exit mouseWithin ## interrupt this  
handler to pay attention to the mouse.

  if the textStyle of the mouseText contains link then
put the linkText of the mouseText into fld status
  else
put empty into fld status
  end if
end mouseWithin

It seems to be working reliably now. Anybody know of any reason why  
this approach might be a bad idea? Sort of like how we've been  
encouraged not to use things like 'wait until the mouseClick'?


Best Regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet
 
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Re: Version plugin for 2.7?

[Devin Asay]

Thanks, Sarah.

On Feb 24, 2006, at 2:26 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:


On 2/25/06, Devin Asay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Sorry, I lost the URL for downloading Chipp's plugin--the one that
lets you save a stack in 2.6.x from 2.7. I had intended to download
it, but can't find it now.



To get the StackFormat plugin, just type into your 2.7 message box  
and

hit return the following:

go URL http://www.gadgetplugins.com/altplugins/StackFormat.rev;

Then save it to your plugins folder. That's all there is to it.


Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University

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Re: Transcript and Dot Notation

[Peter T. Evensen]

At 03:58 PM 2/24/2006, Andre Garzia wrote:

So why can't we do transcript-ish things like:

set the stopColor of TrafficLight to red

set the interval of TrafficLight to 20 secs


Would there be any reason to distinguish between custom properties and a 
object property?  If not, I see the above working.



and call methods like

send go to traffic light...


That works for methods, but how about functions?

I have never liked the current transcript syntax of 
Value(GetCurrentColor(), TrafficLight).TrafficLight.GetColor() is 
much more readable, in my opinion.


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Re: Transcript and Dot Notation

[J. Landman Gay]

Thomas McGrath III wrote:

No not this again

Why does he keep bringing this up?


Got me. I thought we'd already finished this conversation several times. 
I don't see the point of hashing it out all over again.


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Re: Showing linkText on mouse over

[Devin Asay]

Thanks, Jonathan, Jacque, Jeanne, Trevor and Eric for your suggestions.

This is what I ended up with and it's working very well. It basically  
emulates what happens in a web browser when you hover over a link.


on mouseWithin
  if the mouse is down then exit mouseWithin
  if the textStyle of the mouseChunk contains link then
set the cursor to hand
lock cursor
put the linkText of the mouseChunk into fld status
  else
unlock cursor
put empty into fld status
  end if
end mouseWithin

Don't forget to set the lockCursor to false when leaving the field or  
in the linkClicked handler, otherwise it get stuck on pointy finger.


Devin


Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University

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Re: Transcript and Dot Notation

[Jonathan Lynch]

This is exactly the way transcript works now, except that it would allow you
to create custom objects.

But that raises a whole new issue...

How would you define a custom object?


Right now, I use groups to create custom objects, like specialized tables
and the like.

But, say we wanted to define a custom object that was not a group, like a
telephone object that behaves in a certain way.  How would you use
transcript to define the parameters of that object?

One thought is that they could create some sort of blank object, with, like
all possible properties that one could think of, that could be set from the
property inspector - like a universal object.
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OT: searching for a video within another video

[Peter T. Evensen]

I know this is off-topic, but does anyone know of a way to search for a 
video within another video?


I have some QT videos that have been chopped up.  I want to replace the 
chopped up video with a start and stop selection in a  player, but I don't 
have the indexes.  I have 134 movies to match.  It seems like there should 
be some automated way to find the VideoPart1 in Video1 programmatically, so 
I don't have sit down and look through the movie and match things up.


Any suggestions?

Peter T. Evensen
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OT: Internet Rich Applications Patent Granted

[Sivakatirswami]

http://www.informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml? 
articleID=180206472cid=RSSfeed_IWK_News


[snip]

How broad is the patent? Here's what the patent abstract says it  
covers: A host computer, containing processes for creating rich-media  
applications, is accessed from a remote user computer system via an  
Internet connection. User account information and rich-media  
component specifications are uploaded over the Internet for a  
specific user account. Rich-media applications are created, deleted,  
or modified in a user account, with rich-media components added to,  
modified in, or deleted from the rich-media application based on  
information contained in a user request. After creation, the rich- 
media application is viewed or saved on the host computer system, or  
downloaded to the user computer system over the Internet.


Amazing...I'm got a patent pending too: I hearby patent the process  
of grinding of grain to produce a fine, powder like substance, mix  
with water and yeast and bake it.  My lawyers will be asking you  
where you got your sandwich...


Seriously, (as we are right in the middle of building such an app...)  
do we need to take it seriously?


Gov of India was smart to recently document all prior art for 1000's  
of indigenous plants and medicines.


Sivakatirswami

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Re: OT: Internet Rich Applications Patent Granted

[Dan Shafer]

Swami..

Not legal advice but informed business counsel from someone with a
background in intellectual property law. Take it for what you pay for
it.

Software patents are a huge pit. For many years, the USPTO has had a
shortage of people qualified to review such applications. As a result,
it has adopted an informal policy of granting any software patent that
isn't on its face just stupid. (Which doesn't really explain this one,
but there you have it.) Then if someone complailns, let the courts
sort it out.

Not having read the patent, I will say that if I had a company doing
this kind of work (and I do), I'd pause long enough to choke on the
idiocy of the patent being granted and get back to work. If and when
this patent gets prosecuted, it won't be against a small company.
Outfits that patent these kinds of things go after huge fish first and
hope everyone else falls into line thereafter. I doubt any big fish is
going to go for this one.

FWIW and all the usual disclaimers about my advice not being worth
spit incorporated herein by reference.

On 2/24/06, Sivakatirswami [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 http://www.informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml?
 articleID=180206472cid=RSSfeed_IWK_News

 [snip]

 How broad is the patent? Here's what the patent abstract says it
 covers: A host computer, containing processes for creating rich-media
 applications, is accessed from a remote user computer system via an
 Internet connection. User account information and rich-media
 component specifications are uploaded over the Internet for a
 specific user account. Rich-media applications are created, deleted,
 or modified in a user account, with rich-media components added to,
 modified in, or deleted from the rich-media application based on
 information contained in a user request. After creation, the rich-
 media application is viewed or saved on the host computer system, or
 downloaded to the user computer system over the Internet.

 Amazing...I'm got a patent pending too: I hearby patent the process
 of grinding of grain to produce a fine, powder like substance, mix
 with water and yeast and bake it.  My lawyers will be asking you
 where you got your sandwich...

 Seriously, (as we are right in the middle of building such an app...)
 do we need to take it seriously?

 Gov of India was smart to recently document all prior art for 1000's
 of indigenous plants and medicines.

 Sivakatirswami

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Re: play video clips on linux

[Mark Talluto]

On Feb 24, 2006, at 1:55 PM, Andy Clay wrote:


Hi

I am trying to build an app with rev that needs to run on linux,  
and must show some video clips. The clips are mpeg4, which is not  
playable with the xanim player.
There is the videoClipPlayer property mentioned in the help, but I  
can not make it work.  It would be ideal if I could make rev use  
the mplayer video player instead of xanim.  Has anyone managed to  
get this to work?


Andy,

Only xanim is supported at this time.  There is an enhancement  
request on bugzilla if you would like to toss your votes that way.

http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=2290


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Re: use-revolution Digest, Vol 26, Issue 81

[benjamin pastrana]

Hello!

I looked in the documentation of Rev2.7
and in the Shafer Book but can't find
any references to the Kind of Cursors available
in Revolution (Macintosh)

I would like to know all the cursor names
I can use to change them via scripts.

Any ideas?

thanks!

Ben
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Re: Transcript and Dot Notation

[Thomas McGrath III]

You mean like an object template?

Tom

On Feb 24, 2006, at 5:29 PM, Jonathan Lynch wrote:

One thought is that they could create some sort of blank object,  
with, like
all possible properties that one could think of, that could be set  
from the

property inspector - like a universal object.


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Grab Commands

[benjamin pastrana]

I have the following script in an barrel picture: I want to simulate a
barrel making noise
while it's beign moved.

on mousedown
  grab me
   play audioclip noise.wav
end mousedown

on MouseUp
stop playing audioclip noise.wav
end MouseUp

on mouseEnter
  set the lockCursor to true
  set the cursor to hand
end mouseEnter

on mouseLeave
  set the lockCursor to false
  set the cursor to arrow
end mouseLeave

The thing is that I want only to play the sound
IF the picture is beign dragged.

Right now it plays because it's under the mouseDown...

what is the command that detects the drag action and when its not beign
dragged?

thanks!

Ben
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Re: use-revolution Digest, Vol 26, Issue 81

[Thomas McGrath III]

Comments:
The built-in cursors and their recommended uses are:

* none: Hides the cursor
* busy: Use repeatedly during a long handler
* watch: Use during a moderately long handler
* arrow: Use for selecting objects
* cross: Use for painting, drawing, or selecting a point or small area
* hand: Use for clicking hypertext links
* iBeam: Use for selecting text in a field
* plus: Use for selecting items such as spreadsheet cells
* help: Use for getting online help


set the cursor to hand

set the cursor to 21403 (or any image you want that fits 16x16 Mac or  
16x16, 32x32 Win Uni)


Cross-platform note:  To be used as a cursor on Mac OS systems, an  
image must be 16x16 pixels. To be used as a cursor on Unix or Windows  
systems, an image must be 16x16 or 32x32 pixels.



HTHs

Tom
On Feb 24, 2006, at 6:16 PM, benjamin pastrana wrote:


Hello!

I looked in the documentation of Rev2.7
and in the Shafer Book but can't find
any references to the Kind of Cursors available
in Revolution (Macintosh)

I would like to know all the cursor names
I can use to change them via scripts.

Any ideas?

thanks!

Ben
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Re: Grab Commands

[Scott Rossi]

Recently, benjamin pastrana wrote:

 I have the following script in an barrel picture: I want to simulate a
 barrel making noise
 while it's beign moved.

 ...

 The thing is that I want only to play the sound
 IF the picture is beign dragged.
 
 Right now it plays because it's under the mouseDown...
 
 what is the command that detects the drag action and when its not beign
 dragged?

I'm not sure you can do this using 'grab' since this command stops all other
messages until the mouse is released.  You might try using a custom drag
routine -- here's one example (execute in your message box):

 go url http://www.tactilemedia.com/download/drag_sample.rev;

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia  Design
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Re: OT: Internet Rich Applications Patent Granted

[Richard Gaskin]

Dan Shafer wrote:

http://www.informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=180206472cid=RSSfeed_IWK_News


Not having read the patent, I will say that if I had a company doing
this kind of work (and I do)

...

Many of us do.  The patent was granted on Valentine's Day, but RevNet 
premiered in December 2003.  Shouldn't be hard for anyone to shoot this 
down over prior art (like the silly Compton's patent and so many others).


When will the USPTO be able to afford reviewers familiar with the domain 
they're tasked to review?


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RE: Transcript and Dot Notation

[Scott Kane]

 Richard Gaskin
 Sent: Saturday, 25 February 2006 8:27 AM
 To: How to use Revolution
 Subject: Re: Transcript and Dot Notation

 This is so very non-controversial I'm surprised it comes up again and 
 again as such

Agreed.  It'd also be a major attraction, as an option,
for developers coming from main stream OOP environments.

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Re: Transcript and Dot Notation

[Dan Shafer]

In Smalltalk, the basic principle was the use of words parsed left to
right for readability, right to left for precedence of operation.
Parameters were embedded in method calls separated with colons. So,
for example, to create a new instance of a Person object, you would
write something like:

newPerson - Person new

Then to initialize that new object, you'd write

newPerson initialize

Let's say the initialize method needed a name and an age for the
initialization process. You might define a method called initialize
withName:withAge: In a method call, it would look like this:

newPerson initialize withName: 'Dan' withAge: 39.

In JavaScript, e.g., that might look like this:

newPerson.initialize('Dan',9);



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 At 02:02 PM 2/24/2006, you wrote:
 I am an object-oriented programmer by training and disposition. Every
 single object oriented programming language that I've used (and I have
 admittedly not used them all) with the single exception of Smalltalk
 (which I actually think got it right) uses dot notation.

 Smalltalk got it right and didn't use dot-notation?  It's been a while
 since I've looked at Smalltalk; what did it do?  Would it's syntax be
 appropriate for Transcript?

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Re: Transcript and Dot Notation

[Dan Shafer]

Andre..

While you're not exactly wrong here, you do miss the central
point/issue. To use your example, if I'm designing a traffic system
with lots of TrafficLight objects, I need a way to create individual
instances of that object, give them identifiers, and send messages
either to the individual instances or to the class. Doing this without
some sort of notation that makes the relationships between objects
(receivers) and methods (messages sent to those receivers) is
cumbersome at best.

I don't think your suggested notation is necessarily bad and in fact
it won't surprise me if that syntax is acceptable in an OO Transcript,
*once the object instance has been created and identified*.

The other big advantage of dot notation is that it can be held as an
alternative that nobody is required to use if they don't want to use
OO in their apps. Nothing forces it. But, having said that, I'm not
sure it is possible to create a hybrid development environment in
which OO dot notation and textual freestyle exist side by side without
introducing tremendous inefficiency into the byte-code interpreter or
other mechanism for executing the application. And that is ultimately
Mark W's biggest challenge, I suspect.

On 2/24/06, Andre Garzia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Folks,

 taking the risk of sounding naive, why can't we deal with objects the
 way we deal with custom props?

 for example imagine the following Traffic Light  object with
 properties and methods:

 TrafficLight.stopColor --- Red
 TrafficLight.attentionColor --- Yellow
 TrafficLight.goColor--- Green!
 TrafficLight.interval --- the interval for the cycle
 of yellow to red, for example 10 secs.
 TrafficLight.cycleInterval--- the period the traffic light
 stays green or red before cycling, for example 45 secs.

 Methods:

 TrafficLight.go  -- Starts with go.
 TrafficLight.stop -- Go to stop

 So why can't we do transcript-ish things like:

 set the stopColor of TrafficLight to red

 set the interval of TrafficLight to 20 secs

 and call methods like

 send go to traffic light...

 This would still be verbose enough to fell like transcript and maybe
 it could address the problem of transforming transcript into a weird
 lingo like language. Although I think that the parser for those
 things would be a little hard...

 anyway, Mark should have better thoughts than me on this...



 On Feb 24, 2006, at 6:14 PM, Judy Perry wrote:

  What possible competitive advantage does it offer to the company
  for it to
  transform Transcript into yet another bit player in a very major
  league?
 
  With it being an x-Talk, it offers certain advantages, such as ease of
  learning/reading, that are all but nonexistant in your traditional
  programming languages.  As such, it is a big player in a small
  league, but
  it's almost completely a league of its own, a league that the
  company has
  reported it finds profitable.
 
  If, as we've often discussed, Rev is unable to compete with
  C++/Java/dot.notation.flavor.of.the.month because of its very
  different
  paradigm, how would making it over into just another minor OO language
  make it more competitive?
 
  I've said it before and will say it again:  If true OO is what you
  really
  want, why not just use one of the bazillion OO languages?  Once
  Lingo went
  down that route, it ceased to be a learnable language for ordinary
  humans.
 
  And, as for OO being OPTIONAL in Rev, remember that it was optional in
  Lingo, too.  Only, every single Lingo book on the market dealt in
  dot.speak, not verbose speak.  Code fragments that floated about for
  public consumption tended to be dot.speak, not verbose speak.
 
  Remember the guy who not long ago wrote to the list who had problems
  possibly with case statements and pWhiches?  What's going to happen
  when
  those new users have a problem and everybody responds in dot.speak?
 
  OPTIONAL dot.speak I fear will end Transcript's natural-language
  orientation.
 
  Judy
 
  .this.that.thatotherthing.IsThisParticularDotSupposedToBeAMethodOrA
  nObject.Sh
  ootMeNow
 
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Re: Transcript and Dot Notation

[Dan Shafer]

I don't recall this being hashed out and finished several times,
Jacque. Maybe it's been resolved to YOUR satisfaction, but someone
else raised the issue in another thread, so evidently at least some of
us don't think the issue's been resolved.

Except of course this is all hypothetical BS because none of us gets
to decide how RR implements this.

And you have to admit it's more fun than 2.7 bashing. :-)

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 Thomas McGrath III wrote:
  No not this again
 
  Why does he keep bringing this up?

 Got me. I thought we'd already finished this conversation several times.
 I don't see the point of hashing it out all over again.

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Re: Transcript and Dot Notation

[Dan Shafer]

Just for the record, I didn't bring this up again. Judy Perry did. I
just moved the discussion to a new thread and offered my opinion.


On 2/24/06, Thomas McGrath III [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 No not this again

 Why does he keep bringing this up?


 Just poking fun,

 Tom

 I can read dot but have never really 'liked' it.

 On Feb 24, 2006, at 3:02 PM, Dan Shafer wrote:

  I seem to have a knack for starting discussion threads that are
  probably just close enough to being on topic to avoid their immediate
  crushing by Listmom Heather and yet generate significant amounts of
  message traffic for which some people here probably wish I would just
  shut up or go away. Preferably both.
 
  But Judy Perry, in the thread about Bugzilla that I started yesterday,
  said something that I thought ought to spawn a new thread, so here it
  is.
 
  She said, Lingo went to c.dot.syntax.hell in a very short fashion...
  Please don't
  let Transcript follow behind Lingo!
 
  I am an object-oriented programmer by training and disposition. Every
  single object oriented programming language that I've used (and I have
  admittedly not used them all) with the single exception of Smalltalk
  (which I actually think got it right) uses dot notation. Java.
  JavaScript. Lingo. Ruby. Python. All of them. It is an accepted
  convention in OO languages where it is essential to identify methods
  and attributes with object namespaces.
 
  So if Transcript does go object-oriented -- and I hope and believe it
  will, though it may be an alternative fork rather than a forced switch
  -- I hope it *does* in fact adopt dot notation so that all of us who
  have trained our brains to think in those terms when we create and
  program with objects will e comfortable doing so.
 
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Re: OT: Internet Rich Applications Patent Granted

[Dan Shafer]

On 2/24/06, Richard Gaskin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 When will the USPTO be able to afford reviewers familiar with the domain
 they're tasked to review?

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Re: On the Democratic Operation of Bugzilla

[David Vaughan]

On 25/02/2006, Garrett Hylltun [EMAIL PROTECTED] and  
Gregory Lypny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote stuff.


Sorry to others for some repetitious elements in here but I see a  
couple of basic themes in the offerings from Garrett and Gregory  
(principally the former) which I wish to answer.


My credentials for so doing include not only the usual geological  
ages in and around software but particularly more than ten years  
spent observing or intervening in large scale projects which were off  
the rails and subject to commercial dispute, always involving  
millions to tens of millions of dollars. Problem management is, more  
or less, how I make my living. I also designed quality assurance  
facilities for a couple of government departments, one carrying a  
2000-strong IT workforce and another doing highly critical defence  
work. The relevance of that is a high level of familiarity with what  
constitutes a faulty product to different people and how users'  
requirements are obtained, interpreted and implemented.


I understand Garrett to be saying that all bugs should be fixed and  
that the order of their repair is immaterial given the first  
assumption. His dissatisfaction with the failure of this desirable  
outcome is exacerbated by the perceived high price of the product.


However, Garrett fails to define a bug and there immediately is a  
massive problem. One person's bug is another person's feature  
request, a third person's could not care less and as often than not  
is unrelated to the software in question anyway (false report). This  
is unavoidable and and automatically renders any fix all bugs  
request as, well, just plain silly. I apologise for any personal  
offence anyone might take from that because I mean none, but there is  
really no other description for it. There will always be a range of  
items where their bug status is legitimately moot, so where do you  
draw the line? That is a matter of commercial dispute, of priority  
against demand and resources, of adequate bug definition and  
ultimately of agreement about where effort is most productively  
invested so that *both* parties are commercially successful.


The inexhaustible and infallible Alpha and Beta testing teams you  
seek do not exist outside the halls of Valhalla [or insert preferred  
paradise] and even there they are driven to drinking and argument.  
Incidentally, Gregory, the same bug will not, alas, appear in  
headers without human intervention and interpretation of the myriad  
descriptions, many of them fairly incompetent, of the potential bug.


For decades we have been grabbing developers and banging their heads  
against brick walls and steel pillars screaming What about the  
customer's business needs! So, how is it that RR will make all  
decisions on criticality of those bugs of which they are aware and  
which they choose to define as bugs? Their problem is not that they  
are too customer-driven with BZ, it is contrarily that it is damned  
hard to get some decent customer input. Even Dan, who is as  
experienced as anyone, confesses that he does not get motivated to  
use Bugzilla. Criticality, or priority, does matter. In a bank, if  
there were a bug which even in rare circumstances created an  
incorrect transaction then there would be a fix and release before  
virtually any other bug were managed in that software. Far from  
denigrating RR for exposing their bug data to entry and voting, we  
should be applauding their sound system and devising ways of making  
it more acceptable to users (as attempted by RZ).


One of the most reliable pieces of large scale software I know is OS/ 
390 or z/OS in its current incarnation. It hosts a myriad of the most  
critical commercial and defence systems around the world. How much  
money would you like to lay down, Garrett, that its bug list has zero  
length? Or that every one on the list is always fixed by the next  
release, or that customers pay no licence fee to obtain fixes? It is  
a waste of time even to imagine it, or to borrow words from your own  
blog, it is not science, it is nothing but pure religion.


Finally, the cost issue is not worth debating too much except for a  
couple of observations. My daughter is currently in Edinburgh and  
reports no stream of Ferrari Enzos racing about the Scottish hills  
while the RR office lies silent but for the flickering stream of bug  
reports. Bill Gates and Steve Jobs, however, have no problem  
affording such fripperies should they wish it, for they charge  
hundreds of dollars for software sold to millions or tens of  
millions, not to thousands.


Yet, every now and then, I see a window appear on my machine. It  
says: Would you like to report this problem to Apple?


regards
David
Director
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Dan's Books

[Scott Kane]

Hi all,

As a great many of you are aware I'm a relative
Rev newbie.  While I've been a one eyed Delphi
programmer since it's release in 1995 I have to
admit that I now *look forward* to writing projects
in Rev, and each time I do I have the most awesome
warm fuzzy feelings that go with something that
stimulates brain chemistry.  But that's not what
I wanted to mention.  I bought Dan Shafer's
Software At The Speed Of Thought (e-book) and
his mini book on printing in Rev.  I'm absolutely
delighted with both - and have a fair bit of reading
to do yet.  However from what I've read so far, and
some skimming of the content, I'd recommend investing
in this by any Rev newbie and probably those who are
above the newbie stage as well.  I'm looking forward
to seeing more books on Rev by Dan!

Scott
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Re: Transcript and Dot Notation

[Mark Smith]

Well maybe one could 'see' an objects functions as properties, like   
in Eiffel, or at least in my dim understanding of it.

get the sqrt(9) of mathsObject

Mark

On 24 Feb 2006, at 22:25, Peter T. Evensen wrote:


At 03:58 PM 2/24/2006, Andre Garzia wrote:

So why can't we do transcript-ish things like:

set the stopColor of TrafficLight to red

set the interval of TrafficLight to 20 secs


Would there be any reason to distinguish between custom properties  
and a object property?  If not, I see the above working.



and call methods like

send go to traffic light...


That works for methods, but how about functions?

I have never liked the current transcript syntax of Value 
(GetCurrentColor(), TrafficLight).TrafficLight.GetColor() is  
much more readable, in my opinion.


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Re: use-revolution Digest, Vol 29, Issue 63

[Mark Smith]

Gregory, please forgive my jibe. Of course it isn't a fair  
comparison, but then a fair one wouldn't have been as good a joke.  
'Seems to me that all bugs in ProTools should be fixed, and and a  
simple word to Digidesign should get the ball rolling', while having  
the same kind of optimism (and justification), just doesn't have the  
breadth...


Are their really no problems, difficulties, inefficiencies or demands  
made on you in your professional life that you just don't have time  
to attend to as thoroughly as you or your students would like?


I think it's ridiculous the way that George Bush plays the role of  
President on TV. Completely unconvincing. :)


Best

Mark

On 24 Feb 2006, at 19:29, Gregory Lypny wrote:


Hi Mark,

I am thick as a brick, but by golly, I know when someone is poking  
fun at my naivety.  I live next door, so it wouldn't be sporting of  
me to comment on the performance of the West Wing.  I wish we had a  
Prime Minister as cool as your President.  I think Martin Sheen is  
great.


So you think it's a fair comparison, eh?  I mean the problems  
facing the White House and those facing the Revolution team.  I  
think Revolution is desperately underpriced then.


Regards,

Gregory


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And it seems to me that all problems in the world, big and small,
should be fixed, and a simple word to the Whitehouse people should be
enough to get the ball rolling.

:)

Mark

On 24 Feb 2006, at 00:38, Gregory Lypny wrote:


 Seems to me that all bugs, big and small, should to be fixed, and
a simple word to the Revolution people ought to be enough to get
the ball rolling.




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Re: Transcript and Dot Notation

[J. Landman Gay]

Dan Shafer wrote:

I don't recall this being hashed out and finished several times,
Jacque.


Seems to be an annual event. I see two threads in the archives, February 
of 2004 and another in August 2005, and now this one. That doesn't seem 
like enough to me, I'm pretty sure there were a couple more but maybe 
they were on one of the other xtalk lists.


 Maybe it's been resolved to YOUR satisfaction,

If I remember right, it never gets resolved. It's like gun control and 
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Window with no title bar in Linux?

[Bob Warren]

I have just started work on a slideshow for Linux that I would like to 
function in a way similar to my very popular (VB) slideshow for Windows, 
if possible, showing the pictures in full screen.


It didn't take me long to get into trouble. In Windows, setting the 
decorations to empty causes the title bar not to be shown at all, but in 
(Ubuntu) Linux it still appears (no mention of this in the Help).


I have the feeling that there might not be a workaround for this, but 
you never know. Does anyone know of a workaround?


Regards,
Bob

P.S. If I try setting the top of the window to a negative number (with 
the idea of positioning the title bar offscreen), it moves a little to 
the right instead!



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Re: Window with no title bar in Linux?

[Phil Davis]

Hi Bob,

What happens if you make the stack larger than the screenRect, and show 
the stack at the screenLoc? I've done that before (though not on Linux).


Phil Davis

Bob Warren wrote:
I have just started work on a slideshow for Linux that I would like to 
function in a way similar to my very popular (VB) slideshow for Windows, 
if possible, showing the pictures in full screen.


It didn't take me long to get into trouble. In Windows, setting the 
decorations to empty causes the title bar not to be shown at all, but in 
(Ubuntu) Linux it still appears (no mention of this in the Help).


I have the feeling that there might not be a workaround for this, but 
you never know. Does anyone know of a workaround?


Regards,
Bob

P.S. If I try setting the top of the window to a negative number (with 
the idea of positioning the title bar offscreen), it moves a little to 
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Re: Transcript and Dot Notation

[James Spencer]

On Feb 24, 2006, at 2:02 PM, Dan Shafer wrote:


I am an object-oriented programmer by training and disposition. Every
single object oriented programming language that I've used (and I have
admittedly not used them all) with the single exception of Smalltalk
(which I actually think got it right) uses dot notation. Java.
JavaScript. Lingo. Ruby. Python. All of them. It is an accepted
convention in OO languages where it is essential to identify methods
and attributes with object namespaces.


I'll let the rest of you hash this out but just to point out the  
other obvious exception to the implication that dot notation is  
somehow essentially ubiquitous in the OO world, I would point out  
that, ironically (because it is the primary language for the Mac at  
the moment), Objective C (which has some obvious Smalltalk influence)  
does not use dot notation for accessing instance variables.


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Re: Dan's Books

[Dan Shafer]

Thanks, Scott, for the kind words.  There are times -- and this
weekend promises to be one of them -- when unsolicited testimonials
make a lot of what goes into writing these things so worthwhile that I
forget for a while my significant hair-loss as a result of trying to
explain how to do something obtuse.

On 2/24/06, Scott Kane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi all,

 As a great many of you are aware I'm a relative
 Rev newbie.  While I've been a one eyed Delphi
 programmer since it's release in 1995 I have to
 admit that I now *look forward* to writing projects
 in Rev, and each time I do I have the most awesome
 warm fuzzy feelings that go with something that
 stimulates brain chemistry.  But that's not what
 I wanted to mention.  I bought Dan Shafer's
 Software At The Speed Of Thought (e-book) and
 his mini book on printing in Rev.  I'm absolutely
 delighted with both - and have a fair bit of reading
 to do yet.  However from what I've read so far, and
 some skimming of the content, I'd recommend investing
 in this by any Rev newbie and probably those who are
 above the newbie stage as well.  I'm looking forward
 to seeing more books on Rev by Dan!

 Scott
 (Note I'm not connected in anyway to Dan Shafer and
 my comments reflect a very happy customer).


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