Re: System Requirements

2006-06-15 Thread Mark Schonewille

Hi,

The requirements on the runrev homepage are really old. Most  
platforms in that list are currently unsupported.


The standalone builder sets the SIZE resource of standalones for Mac  
OS 9 to 15MB by default, not 4 as suggested by the web site. Since  
Revolution loads stacks into memory in their entirety, you should be  
pretty safe if you take the file size of all stacks plus 4MB, taking  
15MB as a minimum. If you need to claim that the application runs  
with less memory, you need to run tests. If the standalone has to  
process large data files or import multimedia files, you should add  
the size of these files as well or include a notice saying that  
memory usage depends on files being read by the standalone.


As to speed, I usually recommend the equivalent of a 400Mhz G3  
processor (something like an 800Mhz Pentium III?). For QuickTime  
effects to run smoothly, you need at least an 800Mhz processor and  
even then you might run into trouble. To use image core effects, you  
need a G4 or G5 with altivec.


Until recently, it was relevent to mention that the machine running a  
standalone application needs to have at least 32MB physical built-in  
memory. Otherwise the application will crash. I think this it no  
longer necessary to include this in the list of system requirements,  
since most computers have much more memory nowadays.


You might want to add a required colour depth of thousands of  
colours, because Revolution cannot render pictures properly at a  
depth of 256 colours or less.


The disk space requirement of 3MB, as mentioned on the site, is  
partially incorrect, because the universal binaries need at least  
4MB. Naturally, these are minimum sizes and the actual number is  
different for each project. Note that the default externals can take  
up to 2.5MB.


Don't forget to add that an internet connect is required, if you are  
using the internet for updating or to retrieve information. (In my  
opinion, the runrev website should mention that an internet  
connection is required for RevOnline and for downloading updates).


If the project needs QuickTime to play sounds and movies, you should  
provide a link to Apple's QuickTime website. Same with special  
encodings (e.g. divx). You also might want to list required fonts and  
in some cases whether a cd or dvd drive is required.


Let me know, if I forgot anything.

Best regards,

Mark

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Op 15-jun-2006, om 5:21 heeft J. Landman Gay het volgende geschreven:


Thomas Cole wrote:
I want to distribute OSX and Windows versions of my software made  
with

Rev 2.1 with the standalones made with the new studio.
What do people write for system requirements? 95, 98, XP 2000, Mac  
OSX?

And is there a standard blurb for speed and disk space requirements?
What are people writing on their documentation when they distribute?


I usually use the info from Runtime's web site here:

http://www.runrev.com/section/requirements.php

The bottom set is for compiled apps.

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Re: System Requirements

2006-06-15 Thread Ian Wood


On 15 Jun 2006, at 10:30, Mark Schonewille wrote:


To use image core effects, you need a G4 or G5 with altivec.


Actually, to use Core Image effects you need a CI-capable graphics  
card as it doesn't use the CPU...
Although it will drop down to Altivec on the CPU (and require a G4/ 
G5) if there isn't a suitable graphics card available, but with MUCH  
lower performance.


Ian
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Re: System Requirements

2006-06-15 Thread Mark Schonewille

That makes sense, Ian. Thanks for correcting me.

Mark

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Op 15-jun-2006, om 11:40 heeft Ian Wood het volgende geschreven:


Actually, to use Core Image effects you need a CI-capable graphics  
card as it doesn't use the CPU...
Although it will drop down to Altivec on the CPU (and require a G4/ 
G5) if there isn't a suitable graphics card available, but with  
MUCH lower performance.


Ian


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Re: System Requirements

2006-06-15 Thread Martin Baxter

Mark Schonewille wrote:

Hi,

The requirements on the runrev homepage are really old. Most platforms 
in that list are currently unsupported.


The standalone builder sets the SIZE resource of standalones for Mac OS 
9 to 15MB by default, not 4 as suggested by the web site. Since 
Revolution loads stacks into memory in their entirety, you should be 
pretty safe if you take the file size of all stacks plus 4MB, taking 
15MB as a minimum.


Hi Mark,

But do note that on OS9 and lower the default is to use dynamic memory 
allocation, so stacks are not loaded into application memory but into 
system memory. Therefore, increasing the application memory partition 
actually reduces the amount of memory available to your application. In 
fact a 15MB application partition is usually much larger than necessary.


I was very perplexed by this when I found it out, so this arcane fact is 
now permanently burned into my brain. :-)


Martin Baxter


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Shrinking Windows -- PC to Mac

2006-06-15 Thread kevin

Hi all,

I have built a Rev program for the PC and obviously in the process of 
converting it to Mac, I have to turn the menubars that were formerly on 
the top of the stack windows to the standard Mac menubar. This all 
works fine until I build the application for Mac. I'll run the newly 
created standalone and be greeted with stacks that are about a menubar 
too short and hence cut off at the bottom by about 18-22 pixels.


I realize that I can manually override this default stack window size 
with a line of code, however the main stack is involved and so when 
that opens off the bat, said solution just looks sloppy.


If anyone has worked through this issue or knows what is happening, I'd 
really appreciate your advice.


Cheers!

Kevin

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Re: Shrinking Windows -- PC to Mac

2006-06-15 Thread Jim Ault
try a 
preopenstack 

handler in the main stack.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


On 6/15/06 6:43 AM, kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi all,
 
 I have built a Rev program for the PC and obviously in the process of
 converting it to Mac, I have to turn the menubars that were formerly on
 the top of the stack windows to the standard Mac menubar. This all
 works fine until I build the application for Mac. I'll run the newly
 created standalone and be greeted with stacks that are about a menubar
 too short and hence cut off at the bottom by about 18-22 pixels.
 
 I realize that I can manually override this default stack window size
 with a line of code, however the main stack is involved and so when
 that opens off the bat, said solution just looks sloppy.
 
 If anyone has worked through this issue or knows what is happening, I'd
 really appreciate your advice.
 
 Cheers!
 
 Kevin
 
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Re: A Foole's Thoughts on the windowBoundingRect

2006-06-15 Thread Rob Cozens

Moi:

I believe using the working screenRect rather than the 
windowBoundingRect is preferable in these cases.




I spent some more time playing with stack resizing  max/mining 
yesterday.


It's difficult to keep straight IDE issues vs standalone issues; but 
here's what I conclude:


1. The Run Rev IDE apparently sets the windowBoundingRect [wBR] once 
on startup and never changes it.  So some TPC compliance issues IN THE 
IDE could be solved as follows:


on deskTopChanged
		set the windowBoundingRect to (the working screenRect)-[adjustment 
for rev.Menubar.rev]

end deskTopChanged

2. Unless you script it, your standalone will also be unresponsive to 
deskTopChanged [dTC].


3. A dTC handler similar to #1 above will work for a standalone that 
opens a single window.  If your app maintains multiple open windows, 
you may need to adjust the wBRs for some or all of them on dTC.


4. FWIW, WinXP apps in general respond to dTC and MacOSX apps don't:

	A. Change screen orientation or hide/show the TPC Input Panel, and 
windows fully or partially outside the wBR (the true wBR, not what 
Rev sets on startup) adjust size or position.


	B. Reposition the Dock so it covers part of an open window, and the 
window remains partially covered.


I'm adding this info to the comments re:Bugzilla #3252, TPC Compliance. 
 You can vote for this at


 http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=3252

Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company

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Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee.

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Re: Start up position of Revolution menu and button bar

2006-06-15 Thread mfstuart

Hi Ken,

The script doesn't save the new position, so two things are available to me:
1) Reinstall RunRev, and maybe that will take care of it
2) Copy this issue to support.

I'll let you know the outcome.

Regards,
Mark stuart
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Startup position of Studio

2006-06-15 Thread mfstuart
Hi folks,

Anyone know why the startup position of Revolution's menu and button bar 
would position itself not at the top left, on WinXP? 

Each time I reposition it to the top left and close it, it puts itself back 
where it was before - about a full height of the bar down from the top and 
beyond the Tools bar, to the right. 

And how do I get it to position at the top left corner each time? 

Regards, 
Mark 
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SVG conversion ?

2006-06-15 Thread Yves Perez

Hi everyone,
I would like to translate the static description of my  HMI developed 
with revolution (my graphical components - button, fields  - and 
properties)  into  a SVG format file. Does this exist and 
available ?
TY. 
Yves.


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Ubuntu Linux - fun with fonts

2006-06-15 Thread Richmond Mathewson
I may be repeating a well-known fact - even if that be so, it should bear 
repeating:

I recently authored a silly little stack for kids to type words into fields on 
one of my Macs; set the standard font size in the fields to 36 . . . nothing 
mind-blowing

popped them on my Ubuntu boxes up at the language school and experience a 
lovely case of shrinking fonts

I had to set the font (vera bitstream something-or-other) for each field - then 
the text size was restored:

now . . . the funny thing about this was that I had no selected a field font on 
the Mac knowing that Mac fonts and Linux fonts work in rather different ways!

so - before anyone feels confident about authoring something on a PC running 
Mac OS or WIN; breath in and make damn sure you have a PC running Linux as an 
intermediary between your work and what you bung in the box for the end-user.

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson




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MenuBar in the topleft corner!

2006-06-15 Thread Richmond Mathewson
I've just uploaded a stack that will PATCH your MenuBar (RR Media, Studio, 
Enterprise - the lot) so that it will open in the top left corner of the screen.

1. This is not recommended for Mac users as it will pop the Menubar under the 
Mac Menubar!

2. Make a backup before you use this patch.

3. I'm not responsible for anything that may ensue from use of this stack 
(although the code is so mind-blowingly simple nothing should happen beyond its 
one purpose -use it and trash it).

it is available at the usual place:

MenuBarrer - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/richmondsrrr/

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson




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Stopping a videoClip

2006-06-15 Thread Paul Malloy
I want to display a videoClip (a Quicktime movie that has been imported into
the stack) on my opening page, then stop playing when the user moves to the
next card. The following script plays the movie fine, but the movie
continues to appear superimposed on all subsequent cards.

on opencard
  set the scale of videoclip 1176 to 0.35
  play videoclip 1176 at 500,200 looping
  send startRolling to fld Credits
end opencard

on closeCard
  stop playing videoclip 1176
end closeCard

I suspect the message is not getting passed but I can't figure out how to
fix it. Thanks in advance.

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Re: Ubuntu Linux - fun with fonts

2006-06-15 Thread Garrett Hylltun

Richmond Mathewson wrote:

I may be repeating a well-known fact - even if that be so, it should bear 
repeating:

I recently authored a silly little stack for kids to type words into fields on 
one of my Macs; set the standard font size in the fields to 36 . . . nothing 
mind-blowing

popped them on my Ubuntu boxes up at the language school and experience a 
lovely case of shrinking fonts

I had to set the font (vera bitstream something-or-other) for each field - then 
the text size was restored:


And the fonts ain't pretty in Rev under linux either since there is no 
antialias support for fonts on Rev's linux gui library, err, at least 
this is true for 2.6.1 of Rev.  :-(


-Garrett
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a couple hurdles I had with Rev

2006-06-15 Thread Jared Smith

Here are a few things that I've been confused about:

1) How do I find the number of times a certain character appears in a
string? The offset function only finds the first occurance, it
doesn't count them.

2) Why isn't there a deleteKey handler? There's a backspaceKey and a
few others, but I'd like a way to respond when the user presses the
delete key.

Thanks and my complements to the guys at RunRev - really excellent
software so far.
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Re: a couple hurdles I had with Rev

2006-06-15 Thread Mark Smith


On 16 Jun 2006, at 00:47, Jared Smith wrote:


Here are a few things that I've been confused about:

1) How do I find the number of times a certain character appears in a
string? The offset function only finds the first occurance, it
doesn't count them.



This function should work:

function charCount tText,tChar
  set the itemDelimiter to tChar
  return the number of items in tText - 1
end charCount




2) Why isn't there a deleteKey handler? There's a backspaceKey and a
few others, but I'd like a way to respond when the user presses the
delete key.



From the docs (Rev 2.7.2 on Mac OS X):



deleteKey


Syntax: deleteKey

See also:   backspaceKey message , cutKey message , delete command

Summary:
Sent to the active (focused) control, or to the current card if  
there is no active control.



on deleteKey -- clear the entire field
  if word 1 of the name of the target is field then
put empty into the target
  end if
end deleteKey


Handle the deleteKey message if you want to do something special  
when the user presses the forward delete key.


Comments:
The message is sent to the active (focused) control, or to the  
current card if no control is focused.


The forward delete key is not the same as the backspace or delete key:
	* The forward delete key is usually to the right of the main  
keyboard layout, and may be labeled with the word Delete or a  
left-facing arrow. Pressing it sends a deleteKey message.
	* The backspace key is usually on the main keyboard above the  
Return key, and is may be labeled Backspace or Delete. Pressing  
it sends a backspaceKey message.



Best,

Mark Smith
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Re: a couple hurdles I had with Rev

2006-06-15 Thread Alex Tweedly

Mark Smith wrote:



On 16 Jun 2006, at 00:47, Jared Smith wrote:


Here are a few things that I've been confused about:

1) How do I find the number of times a certain character appears in a
string? The offset function only finds the first occurance, it
doesn't count them.



This function should work:

function charCount tText,tChar
  set the itemDelimiter to tChar
  return the number of items in tText - 1
end charCount

Watch out for the case where the last character in the string is the one 
you are interested in; because there isn't an item after it, this gives 
the wrong result - I'd use


function charCount tText,tChar
 set the itemDelimiter to tChar
 if char -1 of tText = tChar then
   return the number of items in tText
 else
   return the number of items in tText - 1
 end if
end charCount


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Reliability of background FTPing

2006-06-15 Thread Richard Miller

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Re: a couple hurdles I had with Rev

2006-06-15 Thread Jared Smith

Thanks for the quick reply. I guess I did something wrong when I
search for deleteKey.

By the way, why doesn't the Undo command under Edit in Rev work? I
accidently deleted most of my program and tried to undo it, but it
didn't work. So I decided to close the program without saving.
Annoyingly, it saved anyway and so I have to write everything over
again. I'm kind of frustrated right now.

On 6/15/06, Alex Tweedly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Mark Smith wrote:


 On 16 Jun 2006, at 00:47, Jared Smith wrote:

 Here are a few things that I've been confused about:

 1) How do I find the number of times a certain character appears in a
 string? The offset function only finds the first occurance, it
 doesn't count them.


 This function should work:

 function charCount tText,tChar
   set the itemDelimiter to tChar
   return the number of items in tText - 1
 end charCount

Watch out for the case where the last character in the string is the one
you are interested in; because there isn't an item after it, this gives
the wrong result - I'd use

function charCount tText,tChar
  set the itemDelimiter to tChar
  if char -1 of tText = tChar then
return the number of items in tText
  else
return the number of items in tText - 1
  end if
end charCount


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Re: Reliability of background FTPing

2006-06-15 Thread Richard Miller

(Not sure what happened with the first email. Will try again)

We have a Rev application that uploads and downloads 1-2 mb files to  
our server approximately 5-10 times per hour. Currently, we are doing  
all of that ftp'ing in the foreground. We'd like to do it in the  
background. The question is about reliability. We have other  
activities ongoing, such as video capture and video replay. Would  
these activities effect background ftp'ing or be effected by it? The  
files must be transferred reliably.


Thanks.
Richard Miller
Imprinter Technologies
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Re: a couple hurdles I had with Rev

2006-06-15 Thread Mark Smith

Well caught, Alex!

Best,

Mark

On 16 Jun 2006, at 01:18, Alex Tweedly wrote:


Watch out for the case where the last character in the string is  
the one you are interested in; because there isn't an item after  
it, this gives the wrong result - I'd use


function charCount tText,tChar
 set the itemDelimiter to tChar
 if char -1 of tText = tChar then
   return the number of items in tText
 else
   return the number of items in tText - 1
 end if
end charCount


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Re: a couple hurdles I had with Rev

2006-06-15 Thread Jim Ault
Perhaps a slight improvement for the count of items/lines appears at the
end.

On 6/15/06 5:18 PM, Alex Tweedly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Mark Smith wrote:
 
 
 On 16 Jun 2006, at 00:47, Jared Smith wrote:
 
 Here are a few things that I've been confused about:
 
 1) How do I find the number of times a certain character appears in a
 string? The offset function only finds the first occurance, it
 doesn't count them.
 
 
 This function should work:
 
 function charCount tText,tChar
   set the itemDelimiter to tChar
   return the number of items in tText - 1
 end charCount
 
 Watch out for the case where the last character in the string is the one
 you are interested in; because there isn't an item after it, this gives
 the wrong result - I'd use
 
 function charCount tText,tChar
   set the itemDelimiter to tChar
   if char -1 of tText = tChar then
 return the number of items in tText
   else
 return the number of items in tText - 1
   end if
 end charCount
 
Another approach I use for the last item empty scenario you mention, Alex,
is

return the number of items in (tTextnull)

--now the count will be correct
---and very unlikely that you would choose an itemDel of null

The same for repeat loops...

repeat with x = 1 to the number of items in (tTextnull)
--do the right number of loops
end repeat
repeat with x = 1 to the number of lines in (tTextnull)

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


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Re: Reliability of background FTPing

2006-06-15 Thread Jim Ault
On 6/15/06 5:52 PM, Richard Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 (Not sure what happened with the first email. Will try again)
 
 We have a Rev application that uploads and downloads 1-2 mb files to
 our server approximately 5-10 times per hour. Currently, we are doing
 all of that ftp'ing in the foreground. We'd like to do it in the
 background. The question is about reliability. We have other
 activities ongoing, such as video capture and video replay. Would
 these activities effect background ftp'ing or be effected by it? The
 files must be transferred reliably.

You did not say what operating system you are using.

If Rev only solution, try using one of the following or both approaches:

if there is a file (path and filename) ..dnld began
if there is a file (url binary:/path and filename) .. upload began

set the defaultfolder to (path)
put the detailed files into fileList
--check item 5 of the line of the file you want to track for size change.

Perhaps getting the file size on the ftp server would allow size check
-
A different approach is to set the log field of the process and monitor the
messages posted there.
use libUrlSetLogField, making careful note of the syntax required

you may need to check the syntax since I cannot break in to my Rev which is
running a critical program at the moment

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


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Reordering lists with drag n' drop

2006-06-15 Thread Jared Smith

I'm wondering what the easiest way is to implement this feature. I
have a normal list field with items that I'd like to be able to click
and drag up or down.

I'm contemplating using mouseDown to grab them and, upon mouseUp,
measure which line it is closest to and move it. I'd also need to come
up with some animation effect to show the user where it'll go before
they release. I wish this functionality was included, but anyway if
anyone can think of a real easy way to do it, please let me know.
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Ubuntu Linux - fun with fonts

2006-06-15 Thread Richmond Mathewson
The Vera Bitstream family of fonts for Linux look very nice indeed with my RR 
stacks!

However - the 'g' is one of those squiggly ones, and for primary kids I want a 
goofy, primary g (c.f. Chalkboard - a Mac/Win font) - if anybody knows of a 
kiddy font for Linux I would be very grateful.

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson




Philosophical problems are confusions arising owing to the fluidity of 
meanings users attach to words and phrases.
   Mathewson, 2006


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Re: Reordering lists with drag n' drop

2006-06-15 Thread Scott Rossi
Recently, Jared Smith wrote:

 I'm wondering what the easiest way is to implement this feature. I
 have a normal list field with items that I'd like to be able to click
 and drag up or down.
 ...
 I wish this functionality was included, but anyway if
 anyone can think of a real easy way to do it, please let me know.

A real easy way?  No, but here's one way (execute in your message box):

  go url http://www.tactilemedia.com/download/getinline.rev;

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia  Design
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Re: Reordering lists with drag n' drop

2006-06-15 Thread Jared Smith

Wow! The script looks complicated but it's exactly the functionality I
wanted (but didn't think I could get). Thank you!

On 6/16/06, Scott Rossi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Recently, Jared Smith wrote:

 I'm wondering what the easiest way is to implement this feature. I
 have a normal list field with items that I'd like to be able to click
 and drag up or down.
 ...
 I wish this functionality was included, but anyway if
 anyone can think of a real easy way to do it, please let me know.

A real easy way?  No, but here's one way (execute in your message box):

  go url http://www.tactilemedia.com/download/getinline.rev;

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia  Design
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E: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
W: http://www.tactilemedia.com


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