Re: Lets make a deal!!!!!!!!!!
Dave said I think that there is a lot of silly, sometimes personal crap on this list on the odd occasion and I reckon it boils down to this: Someone relates some (usually fairly truthful) bad news about RunRev and then someone else tries to make it all right by relating all the good things about RunRev (that you invariably already know) or berates your apparent apathy in investigating problems [] Well lets all just make a deal? No one rain on the parade and no one stop the rain from falling Obviously this in the context of the running dispute between you and me. I have followed this list almost every day for the past 4 years. Because I was not working with Rev every day, if people put up claims in the past (positive or negative), I would not challenge them. As I am working with Rev every day now, if someone is going to make claims that it Rev is fundamentally buggy and that the company is in danger of going out of business because of this, I'm not going to let it go unchallenged. I also work with Lotus Notes every day, and I see more bugs in Notes on a daily basis (and that is as a user, not even as a Notes developer) than I do in Rev, and Notes is used by something like 200 million people worldwide. I wouldn't even say Notes was fundamentally buggy - it is a complex piece of software, and the bugs don't stop me from doing what I need to do. I've had OS X and XP crash on me numerous times, and actually lost work in the process - maybe that makes all software fundamentally buggy. What you're asking for is an end to discussion. You are asking to be able to make exagerrated claims (positive or negative), and for these claims to go unchallenged. I got involved in a debate with you precisely because you seem to have little hesitancy in making sweeping or false allegations (these are all from 10th Nov): There is definitely a problem with silly bugs and lack of a clear way of finding answers to problems it takes a long time (more than necessary) to become a RunRev 'expert'. more support effort is put into developing/fixing the Engine than the IDE. something needs to be done to address the backlog of bugs and make the IDE much more stable RunRev will stop growing and eventually die. I really hope that some bugs get fixed soon and the IDE is over hauled. I didn't berate you for your apathy nor indulge in personal crap. I challenged your claims, because they seem to be exaggerated and/or false. When you actually listed one of the bugs that is a fundamental problem for you I tried to help you find out more about what is going on in that situation so that we could work together as a group to try to get that bug fixed. But it seems that you are more interested in complaining about bugs and running down Runrev than you are in solving them and promoting Rev. Having been challenged, you're now asking that no-one rain on your your parade. That's not a reasonable thing to ask for. Bernard ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Lets make a deal!!!!!!!!!!
On 17 Nov 2006, at 08:35, Bernard Devlin wrote: Dave said I think that there is a lot of silly, sometimes personal crap on this list on the odd occasion and I reckon it boils down to this: Someone relates some (usually fairly truthful) bad news about RunRev and then someone else tries to make it all right by relating all the good things about RunRev (that you invariably already know) or berates your apparent apathy in investigating problems [] Well lets all just make a deal? No one rain on the parade and no one stop the rain from falling Obviously this in the context of the running dispute between you and me. Slightly, it was mostly based an earlier flame-fest which was started in the Quality #1 issue thread I think. I have followed this list almost every day for the past 4 years. Because I was not working with Rev every day, if people put up claims in the past (positive or negative), I would not challenge them. As I am working with Rev every day now, if someone is going to make claims that it Rev is fundamentally buggy and that the company is in danger of going out of business because of this, There are a lot of bugs in the RunRev Engine, the IDE and the documentation that have not been fixed in over three years and some of them are very low level and therefore fundamental to the system. I'm not going to let it go unchallenged. Does it make you feel better? What you're asking for is an end to discussion. I don't mind a discussion but lets keep it to the subject at hand and not resort to mud-slinging and low beahaviour. You are asking to be able to make exagerrated claims (positive or negative), and for these claims to go unchallenged. I don't make exagerrated claims. I don't care if they are challenged or not. I got involved in a debate with you precisely because you seem to have little hesitancy in making sweeping or false allegations (these are all from 10th Nov): There is definitely a problem with silly bugs and lack of a clear way of finding answers to problems it takes a long time (more than necessary) to become a RunRev 'expert'. more support effort is put into developing/fixing the Engine than the IDE. something needs to be done to address the backlog of bugs and make the IDE much more stable I really hope that some bugs get fixed soon and the IDE is over hauled. All the above is true, and, it seems that RunRev think that way too since they are now making a bug-fix release. Hooray! RunRev will stop growing and eventually die. This is out of context, I think what I said was that if they didn't fix some of the old bugs and address the support pricing issue it would stop growing and eventually die, and I believe this to be true. However, no one can say 100% what will happen, so it's really not worth arguing about/discussing it. I didn't berate you for your apathy nor indulge in personal crap. If you say so. I challenged your claims, because they seem to be exaggerated and/ or false. When you actually listed one of the bugs that is a fundamental problem for you I tried to help you find out more about what is going on in that situation so that we could work together as a group to try to get that bug fixed. Everything that can be done as a 3rd party developer has been done on this bug, unless you can think of something else, but from your posts it doesn't seem like you can think of anything either. Apart from the reasons I mentioned in another post, I also wanted to see if it had been addressed in 2.7.x, it seems it hasn't. Given that this problem is fundamental to the whole system and given that it can take a very long time to track down and isolate, it would seem reasonable that at the very least the documentation be changed to include some kind of warning about the use of me and the sharedText property in fields. This could easily have been done in any of the releases since March, But it seems that you are more interested in complaining about bugs and running down Runrev than you are in solving them and promoting Rev. The point is that there are LOADS of bugs that have been logged for a LONG TIME without being fixed. Over and over we get a new release with all the same bugs present plus a lot of new problems. I just feel that there should be a bug-fix release, which is now going to happen. I could either do nothing or voice an opinion here. I've sold 4 (I think) RunRev Licenses in the past three years, If that's not promoting Rev then I don't know what is! I've come close to selling 4 or 5 more, but unfortunately the bugs I mentioned above (along with other factors I have already mentioned) prevented these sales. Having been challenged, Sorry I didn't realize I'd been challenged! Must have missed that bit! you're now asking that no-one rain on your your parade. That's not a reasonable thing to ask for.
Re: OT: www.visualthesaurus.com/ If only we could do this
Bernard Devlin wrote: Sivakatirswami, what is it you would like Rev to be able to do here? Acting like a pre-installed plugin, or being able to re-arrange the graphics within the window? The latter is possible - I did a rough prototype for that kind of effect a few months ago. Animation engine should be able to smooth out the effect to make it much more pleasing. Bernard I'm not really interested in the whirly movement of the mind map on demand, but rather how this relates to the other thread and the overview of architectures and models for content delivery where the browser (since everyone loves it so much) serves as a launching pad for another application, but the user experience is a seamless one. That new window is *not* HTML being rendered by and HTML rendering engine, as such. Looks like a completely Java based application to me (Like Scott said I also don't see any .swf in the cloud there.) But the user is not a) leaving his browser b) clicking on another document to boot the java app... it just transparently opens as a new window: new rect in the video card... isn't the browser basically passing off, completely, the windowing, content rendering task to a completely independent app? So, this goes to the whole discussion (viz-a-viz Lynn's query about how Rev could integrate with browsers) of rev plug-in vs web page with links to down load stand alones, vs some kind of embed object filled with Rev CGI powered content, vs getting them to download a Super Revolution Player... I thought this site offered yet another model. I mean Javascript is a) a plug in which the browser API uses to render stuff inside the browser window, but here it is also b) a separate complete framework that the browser simply launches into another window which is now under the control of Java.. not the browser perse... I tried to View Source, View DOM, etc on that window.. Firefox wasn't happy. It was completely independent.. so this got me thinking a) if we can get users to download and install some player core... or a stand alone.. =resistance has dropped to virtual zero.. because it is coming from Run Rev Home site. b) we have a link on our web page(s) that calls a stack, c) the browser launches the stack using this player core. d) users see it as a seamless integrated experience. But! and this is the big one: the core of the player is not at all concerned with the browser API! i.e. does not have to live by the constraints and rules of having the content be rendered inside the browser window itself... it opens it's own, new window...and leaves Firefox (IE, Safari.. whatever..) behind Isn't that not essentially what is happening here? http://www.visualthesaurus.com/ It's so beautiful here on Kauai, hard not to dream :-) anything is possible. Sivakatirswami www.himalayanacademy.com (now coming to you from our super fast box at ServePath in San Franscisco) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Lets make a deal!!!!!!!!!!
gee what a horrible thread On Nov 17, 2006, at 11:28 AM, Dave wrote: On 17 Nov 2006, at 08:35, Bernard Devlin wrote: Dave said I think that there is a lot of silly, sometimes personal crap on this list on the odd occasion and I reckon it boils down to this: Someone relates some (usually fairly truthful) bad news about RunRev and then someone else tries to make it all right by relating all the good things about RunRev (that you invariably already know) or berates your apparent apathy in investigating problems [] Well lets all just make a deal? No one rain on the parade and no one stop the rain from falling Obviously this in the context of the running dispute between you and me. Slightly, it was mostly based an earlier flame-fest which was started in the Quality #1 issue thread I think. I have followed this list almost every day for the past 4 years. Because I was not working with Rev every day, if people put up claims in the past (positive or negative), I would not challenge them. As I am working with Rev every day now, if someone is going to make claims that it Rev is fundamentally buggy and that the company is in danger of going out of business because of this, There are a lot of bugs in the RunRev Engine, the IDE and the documentation that have not been fixed in over three years and some of them are very low level and therefore fundamental to the system. I'm not going to let it go unchallenged. Does it make you feel better? What you're asking for is an end to discussion. I don't mind a discussion but lets keep it to the subject at hand and not resort to mud-slinging and low beahaviour. You are asking to be able to make exagerrated claims (positive or negative), and for these claims to go unchallenged. I don't make exagerrated claims. I don't care if they are challenged or not. I got involved in a debate with you precisely because you seem to have little hesitancy in making sweeping or false allegations (these are all from 10th Nov): There is definitely a problem with silly bugs and lack of a clear way of finding answers to problems it takes a long time (more than necessary) to become a RunRev 'expert'. more support effort is put into developing/fixing the Engine than the IDE. something needs to be done to address the backlog of bugs and make the IDE much more stable I really hope that some bugs get fixed soon and the IDE is over hauled. All the above is true, and, it seems that RunRev think that way too since they are now making a bug-fix release. Hooray! RunRev will stop growing and eventually die. This is out of context, I think what I said was that if they didn't fix some of the old bugs and address the support pricing issue it would stop growing and eventually die, and I believe this to be true. However, no one can say 100% what will happen, so it's really not worth arguing about/discussing it. I didn't berate you for your apathy nor indulge in personal crap. If you say so. I challenged your claims, because they seem to be exaggerated and/or false. When you actually listed one of the bugs that is a fundamental problem for you I tried to help you find out more about what is going on in that situation so that we could work together as a group to try to get that bug fixed. Everything that can be done as a 3rd party developer has been done on this bug, unless you can think of something else, but from your posts it doesn't seem like you can think of anything either. Apart from the reasons I mentioned in another post, I also wanted to see if it had been addressed in 2.7.x, it seems it hasn't. Given that this problem is fundamental to the whole system and given that it can take a very long time to track down and isolate, it would seem reasonable that at the very least the documentation be changed to include some kind of warning about the use of me and the sharedText property in fields. This could easily have been done in any of the releases since March, But it seems that you are more interested in complaining about bugs and running down Runrev than you are in solving them and promoting Rev. The point is that there are LOADS of bugs that have been logged for a LONG TIME without being fixed. Over and over we get a new release with all the same bugs present plus a lot of new problems. I just feel that there should be a bug-fix release, which is now going to happen. I could either do nothing or voice an opinion here. I've sold 4 (I think) RunRev Licenses in the past three years, If that's not promoting Rev then I don't know what is! I've come close to selling 4 or 5 more, but unfortunately the bugs I mentioned above (along with other factors I have already mentioned) prevented these sales. Having been challenged, Sorry I didn't realize I'd been challenged! Must have missed that bit! you're now asking that
backupcopying in substackmodifyable standalone
We have come a long way in the development of a prototype laptop diary application, Phenomenalog (v.16.4.0) It works , adding new cards to substacks,over many months of daily use without bugs. As standalone-application it also works fine,on all 4 platforms, except for one feature: creating of (3) backups/ to a user selected folder preference. There is not produced a copy of the actual standalone, but a file with .rev, which evidently is not a standalone. No wonder, as the effective line 6 goes: revcopy... Even just specifying .app as ending does not help. I guess solution should have to do with app.path ? Here is the relevant script-part: put the effective filename of this stack into source set itemdelimiter to / put last item of source into sourcename set itemdelimiter to , put the backuppath of this stack into destination revcopyfile source, destination put destination / sourcename into oldpath put destination / Diary phenodate .rev into newpath rename file oldpath to newpath put the backups of this stack into list if the number of lines of list 3 then put line 1 of list into deletepath delete line 1 of list end if put return newpath after list set the backups of this stack to list delete file deletepath ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: www.visualthesaurus.com/ If only we could do this
I was looking at theBrain web site when I wrote the comment about no Mac support. I've been a fan of Tony Buzan - Mind Mapping - for some time. Apparently he has moved his operation to Australia http://www.buzan.com.au//products/software.html. There is an interesting product coming out of this seed http://www.nova-mind.com/Merlin/ that combines mind mapping with project management. Unfortunately the Buzan style doesn't include the dynamic zooming but just contains all the branches on a big page. It does support Mac OSX. What a great way to front-end a database or document an application or a filing system... Jim on 11/16/06 10:51 PM, Jim Carwardine wrote: Too bad it is not on a Mac as well. I'd use it to organize my files... Jim on 11/16/06 12:37 AM, Chipp Walters wrote: On 11/15/06, Sivakatirswami [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.visualthesaurus.com/ Now, that's pretty potent stuff. Is the window that opens up technically a new application or a plug in I suppose you know, it's a Flash swf file. You can create standalone Flash apps as well as embedded ones. I've seen this same tree structure before where you give it a URL and it parses your whole website using the same branching mechanism. Pretty cool. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- www.TalentSeeker.ca www.HiringSmart.ca/ns www.KeepingTheBest.ca/ns http://www.OwnYourFuture-net.com Own Your Future Consulting Services Limited, 23 Shoal Cove Road, Seabright, Nova Scotia, Canada. B3Z 3A9 Phone: 902-823-2339. Fax: 902-823-2139 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: www.visualthesaurus.com/ If only we could do this
Sivakatirswami wrote: snip a) if we can get users to download and install some player core... or a stand alone.. =resistance has dropped to virtual zero.. because it is coming from Run Rev Home site. That's probably one of the best marketing ploys for RunRev to take advantage of. Cheers, Luis. It's so beautiful here on Kauai, hard not to dream :-) anything is possible. Sivakatirswami www.himalayanacademy.com (now coming to you from our super fast box at ServePath in San Franscisco) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
row and column of table clicked on
Hi, You can try this, I found one interesting tutorial about Table Fields and her mysteries. Thanks for it Eric! :) set the cRevTable[currentxcell] of fld pFieldName to pValueX set the cRevTable[currentycell] of fld pFieldName to pValueY http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/?r=revolution_didacticielsl=en Check it, I hope that can be usefull. Cheers, Josep Subject: row and column of table clicked on Can you tell which row and column the user clicks on a table field? I have used the clickChunk, but you must click on the text - the whitespace around it returns empty. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
password fields
If anyone has a spare minute, please let me know if the 'password field converter' plugin in user space Jock_McTartan behaves itself using different OS's (esp. Mac). I tried a few demo stacks to create password fields, but seemed to keep ending up with strange results in the field (especially with mouse selections and key press combinations) - I'd be interested to hear if anyone else has had problems creating password fields (or am I all alone?) and if this version also produces strange results on different systems. I've only tested on windows so far and it seems to be well behaved. Thanks , JC ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: row and column of table clicked on
Thanks, Josep - I'll check this out. Josep M Yepes wrote: Hi, You can try this, I found one interesting tutorial about Table Fields and her mysteries. Thanks for it Eric! :) set the cRevTable[currentxcell] of fld pFieldName to pValueX set the cRevTable[currentycell] of fld pFieldName to pValueY http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/?r=revolution_didacticielsl=en Check it, I hope that can be usefull. Cheers, Josep Subject: row and column of table clicked on Can you tell which row and column the user clicks on a table field? I have used the clickChunk, but you must click on the text - the whitespace around it returns empty. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: www.visualthesaurus.com/ If only we could do this
So, this goes to the whole discussion (viz-a-viz Lynn's query about how Rev could integrate with browsers) of rev plug-in vs web page with links to down load stand alones, vs some kind of embed object filled with Rev CGI powered content, vs getting them to download a Super Revolution Player... I thought this site offered yet another model. Is this the kind of thing you are interested in? http://www.openlaszlo.org/demos Laszlo apps used to just be provisioned by Flash. They have been working on Ajax versions this last year. They've also said all along that there's no reason why it couldn't be provisioned in a Java applet like the one in the thread title. Looking at the similarities between the DHTML and the Flash versions of the calendar Laszlo has come a long way in being able to produce rich internet apps that will run without Flash. These kinds of apps aren't completely independent of the browser - if you close the browser the Visual Thesaurus app will close, as will the Laszlo Flash calendar. I believe that .swf files can be started as executables (if passed to a standalone Flash player), so in theory they could be independent of the browser. There's nothing intrinsically stopping Runrev from producing a plug- in that works like Visual Thesaurus. The Squeak people did it for Smalltalk. There are several small companies doing it for their development environments (quite a few for 3D graphics and gaming). There is also http://dreamfactory.com/demo/developer.html - I believe that the guy behind DreamFactory was the original creator of Supercard (could be wrong there, so feel free to correct me). It's just a question of priorities. I've advocated that myself several times on this and other Rev- related forums. But I'm almost of the opinion that the time for a Rev plug-in has passed. With both Laszlo and Flex being free tools now, and with the state of Ajax toolkits coming from Yahoo and Google and dojo and ... Bernard ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: www.visualthesaurus.com/ If only we could do this
Here is the technology behind the Thesaurus...http://www.thinkmap.com/download/whitepaper/technical_white_pap er.pdf ... Jim on 11/17/06 7:27 AM, Sivakatirswami wrote: Bernard Devlin wrote: Sivakatirswami, what is it you would like Rev to be able to do here? Acting like a pre-installed plugin, or being able to re-arrange the graphics within the window? The latter is possible - I did a rough prototype for that kind of effect a few months ago. Animation engine should be able to smooth out the effect to make it much more pleasing. Bernard I'm not really interested in the whirly movement of the mind map on demand, but rather how this relates to the other thread and the overview of architectures and models for content delivery where the browser (since everyone loves it so much) serves as a launching pad for another application, but the user experience is a seamless one. That new window is *not* HTML being rendered by and HTML rendering engine, as such. Looks like a completely Java based application to me (Like Scott said I also don't see any .swf in the cloud there.) But the user is not a) leaving his browser b) clicking on another document to boot the java app... it just transparently opens as a new window: new rect in the video card... isn't the browser basically passing off, completely, the windowing, content rendering task to a completely independent app? So, this goes to the whole discussion (viz-a-viz Lynn's query about how Rev could integrate with browsers) of rev plug-in vs web page with links to down load stand alones, vs some kind of embed object filled with Rev CGI powered content, vs getting them to download a Super Revolution Player... I thought this site offered yet another model. I mean Javascript is a) a plug in which the browser API uses to render stuff inside the browser window, but here it is also b) a separate complete framework that the browser simply launches into another window which is now under the control of Java.. not the browser perse... I tried to View Source, View DOM, etc on that window.. Firefox wasn't happy. It was completely independent.. so this got me thinking a) if we can get users to download and install some player core... or a stand alone.. =resistance has dropped to virtual zero.. because it is coming from Run Rev Home site. b) we have a link on our web page(s) that calls a stack, c) the browser launches the stack using this player core. d) users see it as a seamless integrated experience. But! and this is the big one: the core of the player is not at all concerned with the browser API! i.e. does not have to live by the constraints and rules of having the content be rendered inside the browser window itself... it opens it's own, new window...and leaves Firefox (IE, Safari.. whatever..) behind Isn't that not essentially what is happening here? http://www.visualthesaurus.com/ It's so beautiful here on Kauai, hard not to dream :-) anything is possible. Sivakatirswami www.himalayanacademy.com (now coming to you from our super fast box at ServePath in San Franscisco) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- www.TalentSeeker.ca www.HiringSmart.ca/ns www.KeepingTheBest.ca/ns http://www.OwnYourFuture-net.com Own Your Future Consulting Services Limited, 23 Shoal Cove Road, Seabright, Nova Scotia, Canada. B3Z 3A9 Phone: 902-823-2339. Fax: 902-823-2139 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: www.visualthesaurus.com/ If only we could do this
On 11/17/06 9:35 AM, Bernard Devlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is also http://dreamfactory.com/demo/developer.html - I believe that the guy behind DreamFactory was the original creator of Supercard (could be wrong there, so feel free to correct me). You're right - Bill Appleton wrote SuperCard and is DreamFactory's CTO. Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Parser
First, as far as Jeanne's status goes, I have several (three? four?) of the Waite Group's books on HC/HT still sitting on one of my bookshelves...somewhere. Jeanne's contributions to Tricks of the HyperTalk Masters were invaluable in my ability to finish my Senior year Independent Research project and ultimately get my TA ride for grad school, my internship, and my first consulting gig. Please reread last post. I am not arguing that RR is better or worse than HC (in this thread anyway). The post specifically refutes Jeanne's argument that the syntax permitted in HT is wrong. It would seem to me that if y'all thought the syntax was a mistake then it should have been addressed somewhere. As it is, I don't recall seeing anything from The Big Three that would, but then again, there were only tens of thousands of pages written on HC and HT, and I can't remember all of them... I'm also not arguing that the language shouldn't evolve. I am bemoaning the fact that the syntax is more rigid in some areas. However, the syntax issues are just an annoyance compared to some of the bugs in the IDE. For all of that, it's still light years better than having to use C++ every day. -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, This is good. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Lets make a deal!!!!!!!!!!
Jacqueline, You owe me a new keyboard now, you made me spit my coffee up onto the keyboard! LOL great one and perfect for the moment! cheers, jeff Jeffrey Reynolds On Nov 17, 2006, at 6:28 AM, Jacqueline wrote: Question: How many internet mail list subscribers does it take to change a light bulb? Answer: 1,343 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Programing style
Ken- Thursday, November 16, 2006, 8:54:11 PM, you wrote: FUNCTION fNumericToMoney pNumeric local tMoney local x -- leading dollar sign and two digits for cents put format($%.2f, pNumeric) into tMoney -- add the commas as necessary -- 4 is to ensure we don't get a comma before the dollar sign -- 6 here is skipping over the first three digits, the period, and the cents REPEAT with x=length(tMoney)-6 to 4 step -3 -- +1 to skip over the dollar sign put comma before char x+1 of tMoney END REPEAT return tMoney END fNumericToMoney Nicely done, Mark! Hadn't thought of doing it that way... Well, I hate to have magic numbers in my code, but I couldn't figure out a way around it. Making them constants only added to the clutter. This would be so much easier if the C standard had a currency formatting char in printf(). ...and is there a standard for how negative currency values are displayed? -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Lets make a deal!!!!!!!!!!
Dan- Thursday, November 16, 2006, 5:16:48 PM, you wrote: Naw, I like it when people talk about what's good and not-so-good about the product. If this list were nothing but bugs, hints, tips and tech trivia, Maybe it's me, but I thought that's what Dave was saying... -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Programing style
On Nov 17, 2006, at 12:43 AM, Dar Scott wrote: The syntax identifies properties, so why give them a special prefix? I use u before my custom property names to distinguish them from built-in properties for several reasons. First, I won't be bollixed when new properties are added to the built-in properties that happen to collide with my well-thought out property name; second, it draws the distinction succinctly in the script between a property that's meaningful for the task and those pertaining only to the GUI; and third, I can help myself avoid runtime errors because typing put xxx into uYYY throws a terezaSyntaxError. t -- Tereza Snyder Califex Software, Inc. www.califexsoftware.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
my apologies to the list
It took Andre to make me stop and think about what I was doing. I took delivery of a new chair this week, so I dropped my pain medication to see what effect the chair would have on my chronic back pain. Anyway, the chair doesn't help, and I have been in a lot of pain all week, so I wasn't able to concentrate on anything for very long. On reflection today I realised that I've been more involved with this list and others all week (thankfully, more productively in the case of the others).I'm returning the chair, upping my pain meds, and will hopefully become a more gentle and patient member of the list. Bernard ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Parser
Mikey wrote: I'm also not arguing that the language shouldn't evolve. I am bemoaning the fact that the syntax is more rigid in some areas. It may be helpful to remember two things as you encounter Rev's slightly more rigid syntax relative to HyperCard's: 1. It's a heckuva lot less rigid than C or even Java. 2. It's never done without unquestionably significant benefit to performance. While noble efforts have been made to support even HC-specific constructs like marked cards, as well as most of the flexibility of xTalks in general, the few areas where Transcript is less forgiving represent in each case a very well-thought-out decision to take advantage of an opportunity for optimization. The result is an engine that offers what is arguably the best performance of any xTalk, often by several times and sometimes by a few orders of magnitude. So yes, using Transcript effectively means acquiring a very modest level of coding discipline over what was required with HyperTalk, but the benefits far outweigh the effort. -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal ___ Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: problems using same player with 100+ audio files?
Scott Rossi wrote: Recently, Phil Davis wrote: Has anyone had freezes after playing lots of audio files with the same player? Not sure if you're already doing this but you might try explicitly setting the fileName of the player to *empty* before applying a new filepath. Years ago I recall getting around some kind of related issue by following this practice. Hi Scott - I added this to the code last week - actually I set the filename to empty when the audio is finished playing. It improved my outcomes noticeably but didn't take the problem away. I've been doing this for years when switching filenames of image objects. Don't know why I waited until now to do it with players. Thanks. Phil Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia Design - E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] W: http://www.tactilemedia.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Interesting U3 Article
Some of you have probably seen it, but I thought I would pass it along: http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2059961,00.asp Peter T. Evensen http://www.PetersRoadToHealth.com 314-629-5248 or 888-682-4588 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Lets make a deal!!!!!!!!!!
Andre- Friday, November 17, 2006, 3:31:37 AM, you wrote: gee what a horrible thread Whaddya mean horrible? Kids these days... in the old days we had horrible and we liked it. Uphill both ways. In the snow... -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
PDB files from Visual Studio
Hi list, I have one customer that need to migrate to a (posible) Runtime application, but the database used is a .pdb file. Anybody know how can be imported data from a .pdb file? This isn't a Palm database, these file created from Visual Studio C++. Thanks, Josep ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Lets make a deal!!!!!!!!!!
Mark, my definition of horrible is like this: when you go to an airport and the ATC personal are on strike asking for more humane conditions for work, it appears that earning more than 10 times the minimum wage is not enough, then you loose all your connections, you hop from plane to plane, airport to airport, connecting as if your flight plan was devised by some fractal expert and when you finally arrive at your destination, all tired, needing a shave and a bath so that you can keep calling yourself human, you notice after two hours that your luggage is not appearing in the carrousel, you go ask the clerk if by any chance your lugagge is there, and the clerk answers: sir, by any chance, you connected thru amundsen base in antartica?... After recovering from the shock, you keep washing your only pair of clothes day after day and maybe a week later your luggage arrives with stamps for so many countries that the U.N. should promote it to ambassador or good will agent. When you finally open your luggage, you discover that you forgot your set of underpants at your home. that is a horrible situation, add snow if you like it. andre On Friday, November 17, 2006, at 06:26AM, Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andre- Friday, November 17, 2006, 3:31:37 AM, you wrote: gee what a horrible thread Whaddya mean horrible? Kids these days... in the old days we had horrible and we liked it. Uphill both ways. In the snow... -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
[ANN] Galaxy 1.5 Released Today!
Colleagues, Galaxy 1.5 was just released today. It has 9 new components and 31 new features. Actually pretty cool. Read all about it in the links below. Funny stuff on the Galaxy Blog about it, too--The Ad That Never Ran is a gem, IMHO, and the faux church signs are a hoot. Highlights: - Draw new stacks from templates. - Global contextual menus (configurable!) - Version Control Manager with Check for Updates - Mini Bar (uses Rev tools and dock) - Text Property Editor that does links - Link mode for Scripts (browse thru handler links!) - Turn Galaxy on and off during a session Our website and the what's new stuff has been completely redone with slideshows, lessons and all kinds of neat stuff. Come and visit us! Feel free to suggest a slide show or a lesson for us to create. Best, Jerry Daniels Daniels Mara, Inc. Makers of Galaxy 1.5 RevSelect: http://www.runrev.com/section/revselect/galaxy/index.php Galaxy Blog: http://www.revdeveloper.com/include/blog/revselect/ daniels_mara New in 1.5: http://www.daniels-mara.com/new_in_galaxy_1_5.htm Lessons: http://www.daniels-mara.com/lessons ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Strange Scrollbar Issue
I have a Little Arrows scrollbar I dragged out onto a card. With Rev 2.7.1, 2.7.2, and 2.7.4, I am seeing this: I want to be able to select over a range of 0 to 511, so I set startValue to 0, endValue to 511, and the lineInc to 1. When I try to use the arrows, the thumbPosition stays at 0! I tried increasing the endValue to 512, and I could scroll between 0 and 1, if I set the endValue to 555, I could scroll between 0 and 44... I'm starting to see a pattern here... Why is the endValue being offset by 511? Has anyone else experienced anything like this? ___ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Where Rev could be going...
In the light of the discussion about Rev plug-ins, I decided to re- visit a post I made last year about where Rev was in relation to competing technologies. At the end of it, I listed what I thought Runrev should do to increase their competitive edge. These are the things I think Rev needs in order to increase their competitive edge: * the ability to generate stacks dynamically server-side (I believe the requirement for a checksum currently hampers this) * integration with version control systems (this could be via the command line if the scripts were pure text in the IDE) * built-in connectivity to a lightweight, cross-platform, local free rdbms like sqlite or firebird (Runrev could license altsqlite, or produce their own connector for firebird to have a much higher quality embedded sql rdbms) * Dan has also suggested that the CGI interface for Rev needs to be made simpler. Given that he has written a tutorial on that, I believe him. * a browser plugin (this could just be IE and Firefox initially and is probably the least important and the most difficult of these enhancements for Runrev to produce) I've been working intensively on the first two. And I'm glad to see that the 3rd item is being incorporated, and possibly the 5th. Maybe Dan or Andre could comment on what they think about the 4th item? I seem to remember some posts a few months ago where they were expressing some exasperation with Rev CGIs. Was the principle limitation with Rev CGI to do with threading and scalability? Bernard ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Strange function bug
I was recently creating a stack when I noticed that one of my functions wouldn't work right. After some further investigation, i realized that the function was not getting the second param that I was passing it. So, just for fun, I swapped the two params in the function and in the script, and now the other variable always turned up empty. If anyone could shed light on this problem i would appreciate it. -- Computer Geek Software Send in your own suggestions. http://compgeekware.googlepages.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Checking For An FTP File
Hey, How would I check to see if a file exists on an ftp server? There is a file does not work with ftp addresses. TTFN Bridger ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [ANN] Galaxy 1.5 Released Today!
On Nov 17, 2006, at 4:11 PM, Jerry Daniels wrote: Highlights: - Draw new stacks from templates. - Global contextual menus (configurable!) Global contextual menus (configurable!) may be accurate, but doesn't quite convey the power of this feature, which IMHO is the tip- top-most new feature. With it I can access critical properties without moving the mouse or taking my eyes off the object! Click. Change the name! Click. Make it opaque! Click. See the owner! Click. Make it invisible! - Turn Galaxy on and off during a session Geez! why? t -- Tereza Snyder Califex Software, Inc. www.califexsoftware.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Strange function bug
On Nov 17, 2006, at 5:22 PM, Matt wrote: I was recently creating a stack when I noticed that one of my functions wouldn't work right. After some further investigation, i realized that the function was not getting the second param that I was passing it. So, just for fun, I swapped the two params in the function and in the script, and now the other variable always turned up empty. If anyone could shed light on this problem i would appreciate it. Try this as the first line of the function to see if the problem is that the parameter is empty or the number of parameters is wrong: put the paramCount I would guess a problem in spelling, either in the function or in its test. If the parameter is an array directly returned by another function, you have run across an old bug (3411). You will have to split up the expression. If the parameter is an array returned by the object version of value(), then the value is lost by value() (bug 699). If the parameter is 'the result' after a send (not in time), then the array is lost then, too. Someone on the list recently had a problem with a function and later realized he had also defined it another place. Dar Scott *** Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. -- Milton Friedman (1912-2006) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [ANN] Galaxy 1.5 Released Today!
Hi Jerry, How to upgrade from Galaxy Studio 1.0.2 to 1.5 ? In downloading the trial issue and filling the licence code ? TIA, Le 17 nov. 06 à 23:11, Jerry Daniels a écrit : Colleagues, Galaxy 1.5 was just released today. It has 9 new components and 31 new features. Actually pretty cool. Read all about it in the links below. Funny stuff on the Galaxy Blog about it, too--The Ad That Never Ran is a gem, IMHO, and the faux church signs are a hoot. Highlights: - Draw new stacks from templates. - Global contextual menus (configurable!) - Version Control Manager with Check for Updates - Mini Bar (uses Rev tools and dock) - Text Property Editor that does links - Link mode for Scripts (browse thru handler links!) - Turn Galaxy on and off during a session Our website and the what's new stuff has been completely redone with slideshows, lessons and all kinds of neat stuff. Come and visit us! Feel free to suggest a slide show or a lesson for us to create. Best, Jerry Daniels Daniels Mara, Inc. Makers of Galaxy 1.5 RevSelect: http://www.runrev.com/section/revselect/galaxy/index.php Galaxy Blog: http://www.revdeveloper.com/include/blog/revselect/ daniels_mara New in 1.5: http://www.daniels-mara.com/new_in_galaxy_1_5.htm Lessons: http://www.daniels-mara.com/lessons ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Pierre Sahores www.sahores-conseil.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Checking For An FTP File
Bridger, one way would be to download the listing for the directory you're interested in. Say you want to know if ftp://someServer.com/someDirectory/someFile; exists, do this: put URL ftp:/someServer.com/SomeDirectory/ into fileList fileList now contains list of the files in that directory, so you can check if the file you want is there. Best, Mark On 18 Nov 2006, at 00:45, Bridger Maxwell wrote: Hey, How would I check to see if a file exists on an ftp server? There is a file does not work with ftp addresses. TTFN Bridger ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Lets make a deal!!!!!!!!!!
On 17 Nov 2006, at 18:25, Mark Wieder wrote: Andre- Friday, November 17, 2006, 3:31:37 AM, you wrote: gee what a horrible thread Whaddya mean horrible? Kids these days... in the old days we had horrible and we liked it. Uphill both ways. In the snow... Yeah Lad, but we had it rough, lived in't ole in't ground -- Neah Lad, that's nothing, we were evicted from our 'ole in't ground! Take Care Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Lets make a deal!!!!!!!!!!
On 17 Nov 2006, at 19:24, Andre Garzia wrote: Mark, my definition of horrible is like this: when you go to an airport and the ATC personal are on strike asking for more humane conditions for work, it appears that earning more than 10 times the minimum wage is not enough, then you loose all your connections, you hop from plane to plane, airport to airport, connecting as if your flight plan was devised by some fractal expert and when you finally arrive at your destination, all tired, needing a shave and a bath so that you can keep calling yourself human, you notice after two hours that your luggage is not appearing in the carrousel, you go ask the clerk if by any chance your lugagge is there, and the clerk answers: sir, by any chance, you connected thru amundsen base in antartica?... After recovering from the shock, you keep washing your only pair of clothes day after day and maybe a week later your luggage arrives with stamps for so many countries that the U.N. should promote it to ambassador or good will agent. When you finally open your luggage, you discover that you forgot your set of underpants at your home. that is a horrible situation, add snow if you like it. andre Oh you went on that package too! I thought I had it bad All the Best Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: backupcopying in substackmodifyable standalone
Hi, Not quite sure what you are trying to do. You can't save Standalone back onto itself. You will either have to change the way you generate standalones so that there is one standalone stub which calls .rev files, or save/restore the prefs to/from a separate Pref's file or get the Operating System to do the copy for you. The latter really depend on the Operating Systems involved and how far you are willing to bend the law of good taste! I'd be happy to send you a demo project that implements a standalone stub, however I have only tested on Mac and Windows. Cheers Dave On 17 Nov 2006, at 14:33, Kresten Bjerg wrote: We have come a long way in the development of a prototype laptop diary application, Phenomenalog (v.16.4.0) It works , adding new cards to substacks,over many months of daily use without bugs. As standalone-application it also works fine,on all 4 platforms, except for one feature: creating of (3) backups/ to a user selected folder preference. There is not produced a copy of the actual standalone, but a file with .rev, which evidently is not a standalone. No wonder, as the effective line 6 goes: revcopy... Even just specifying .app as ending does not help. I guess solution should have to do with app.path ? Here is the relevant script-part: put the effective filename of this stack into source set itemdelimiter to / put last item of source into sourcename set itemdelimiter to , put the backuppath of this stack into destination revcopyfile source, destination put destination / sourcename into oldpath put destination / Diary phenodate .rev into newpath rename file oldpath to newpath put the backups of this stack into list if the number of lines of list 3 then put line 1 of list into deletepath delete line 1 of list end if put return newpath after list set the backups of this stack to list delete file deletepath ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Strange Scrollbar Issue
Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote: I have a Little Arrows scrollbar I dragged out onto a card. With Rev 2.7.1, 2.7.2, and 2.7.4, I am seeing this: I want to be able to select over a range of 0 to 511, so I set startValue to 0, endValue to 511, and the lineInc to 1. When I try to use the arrows, the thumbPosition stays at 0! Try checking the scrollbarInc and scrollbarDec messages, which carry a position parameter. The thumbposition doesn't really change on tiny scrollbars. I think that's because the length of the scrollbar has to be bigger than the size of the thumb before it changes. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: backupcopying in substackmodifyable standalone
Kresten Bjerg wrote: There is not produced a copy of the actual standalone, but a file with .rev, which evidently is not a standalone. Are you running this on OS X? This line: put the effective filename of this stack into source will get the file path to the engine inside the OS X bundle, not the filepath to the bundle itself. Your script is adding the .rev extension, but you are trying to copy an application which isn't a rev stack. You should leave that off, I think. The effective filename of an OS X standalone stack will be something like this: /folder/MyApp.app/Contents/MacOS/myApp The path you want to use with revCopyFile is like this: /folder/MyApp.app So you need to parse the file path and remove everything after /Contents. Then you use: revCopyFile /folder/MyApp.app,destinationFolder On Windows and Unix systems, I think your original script should work okay, except I'd still omit the .rev extension if you are really copying an executable. No wonder, as the effective line 6 goes: revcopy... Even just specifying .app as ending does not help. I guess solution should have to do with app.path ? Here is the relevant script-part: put the effective filename of this stack into source set itemdelimiter to / put last item of source into sourcename set itemdelimiter to , put the backuppath of this stack into destination revcopyfile source, destination put destination / sourcename into oldpath put destination / Diary phenodate .rev into newpath rename file oldpath to newpath put the backups of this stack into list if the number of lines of list 3 then put line 1 of list into deletepath delete line 1 of list end if put return newpath after list set the backups of this stack to list delete file deletepath ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
disabled button appearance
Can one fine-tune the appearance of the disabled state of a regular button? I've got a series of buttons whose disabled state is a bit too transparent. I'd like to make them less so. Can this be done short of assigning icons? Thanks Mark ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
