Re: [ANN] Galaxy 1.5 Birthday Special
On 11/27/06, Jerry Daniels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We haven't had a good God thread in so long. Shucks, did I miss a recent bad God thread? ;-) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Flash open source!!!
On 28 Nov 2006, at 01:08, Mark Wieder wrote: ...and more... The Flash ActionScript Virtual Machine is now open source! I completely missed this announcement until it was brought to my attention this afternoon. http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/pressroom/pressreleases/ 200611/110706Mozilla.html ...now someone with time on their hands needs to modify the source so that it runs Transcript code natively... Mark, I think the Flash open source subject may be a little misleading. As far as I know, the ActionScript Virtual Machine is only part of the Flash plugin. The press release has the usual lack of clarity (spin) we've come to expect from large corporations with dollars to spend on marketing. Adobe has contributed source code for the ActionScript™ Virtual Machine Does this mean all the source code or just some of it? (If I were a betting man, I know where I'd place my money.) Adobe tout the speed and efficiency of the ActionScript 3 virtual machine versus earlier versions. But Flex 2 (and I guess Flash 9 when it arrives) produce precompiled ActionScript. The release refers to Just In Time compilation, which makes sense for ActionScript (JavaScript) deployment in html pages. But I wonder if the speed gains are as significant compared to precompiled scripts. I'm not sure there is anything for Rev developers here. Cheers Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: The basics of a chat program
Mark wrote, I just made a couple of modifications. I uploaded a new version just now. The program does work once you enter in the other user's ip. I just tested in on my MBPro with the Mac talking to my Win system on Parallels. Worked great! Let me know if you need any direct help on using it. I get a problem if one of the machines is firewalled. I found another stack on rev online by Alex Tweedly, actually 2 stacks. 'TCP App 2' 'TCP App 1'. The latter one allows the machine to be more like a server. If I run TCP App 2 one on the machine with a firewall it connects. With this setup you only need to have 1 open port on one of the machines. Jan ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Deleting lines in a scrolling list box?
I've got a nice little scrolling list box working nicely (many thanks to the ever patient Eric), but I'm having trouble with deleting the line. It seems to work sometimes and not others - and even then not on all lines. The code I'm trying to wring out is below: -- This handler is in the scrolling list field on mouseUp global y put the clickline into y end mouseUp -- This handler is in a button called Delete on mouseUp global y put the number of lines of fld Species List into MyLines if MyLines 1 then Delete y else Put Empty into fld Species List end if end mouseUp I know there has got to be a drop dead simple way of doing this!! BTW - when I sort all this out I'm going to post the solutions to these pesky objects in a stack on RevOnline. I can't be the only one stumbling here when first blundering in. g Scott ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Stupid Programming Challenge
Hi Scott, What is the reason for not simply giving the group a vertical scrollbar of itself? Mark -- Economy-x-Talk Consultancy and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Get your store on-line within minutes with Salery Web Store software. Download at http://www.salery.biz Op 28-nov-2006, om 4:54 heeft Scott Rossi het volgende geschreven: OK, I've beaten my head against the wall long enough on this, so I'm throwing it out there for anyone who wants to try their hand at a simple (?) challenge: Modify the initScrollbar routine in the following stack such that 1) the scrollbar displays proportionally to content displayed in the associated group, and 2) the scrollbar consistently scrolls the group to the end of its content. The stack contains a button to randomly populate a scrolling group, and the initScrollbar routine is stored in the button. go url http://www.tactilemedia.com/download/sbfix.rev; This should be easy, but I've spent hours on this and can't do it. Maybe you can. :-) Thanks Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia Design ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution and the Web, feedback wanted, Part 1 of 3
From Andre: Boa noite, Friends, presentation authoring tool. Runtime Revolution is a turing complete application building language and IDE. Revolution has features such as Bom dia. Rev is _not_ Turing complete. Cheers, Luis. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Deleting lines in a scrolling list box?
Hi Scott, No global variables needed and only one button with one mouseUp handler: on mouseUp if the hilitedLine of fld 1 is not empty then delete line (the hilitedLine of fld 1) of fld 1 else beep end if end mouseUp (Replace fld 1 with a reference to your field). Best, Mark -- Economy-x-Talk Consultancy and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Get your store on-line within minutes with Salery Web Store software. Download at http://www.salery.biz Op 28-nov-2006, om 10:54 heeft Scott Kane het volgende geschreven: I've got a nice little scrolling list box working nicely (many thanks to the ever patient Eric), but I'm having trouble with deleting the line. It seems to work sometimes and not others - and even then not on all lines. The code I'm trying to wring out is below: -- This handler is in the scrolling list field on mouseUp global y put the clickline into y end mouseUp -- This handler is in a button called Delete on mouseUp global y put the number of lines of fld Species List into MyLines if MyLines 1 then Delete y else Put Empty into fld Species List end if end mouseUp I know there has got to be a drop dead simple way of doing this!! BTW - when I sort all this out I'm going to post the solutions to these pesky objects in a stack on RevOnline. I can't be the only one stumbling here when first blundering in. g Scott ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution and the Web, feedback wanted, Part 1 of 3
Andre wrote: one will be running on the real thing. As far as my experience goes with Revolution Player, if any user needs to use my software, he will gladly download the player, he acknowledges no difference between downloading a player and a plugin. The player is less work for RunRev as a windows player will work in every windows, a browser plugin will depend on the browser version. So I'd rather use the Revolution player than a plugin. Yup, I don't see much difference here either. The idea of making the engine generate java bytecodes is very entertaining because this would enable us to use revolution to build servlets for our web server end, midlets for our cellphone or pda programming and applets for those that really want to be confined to a browser canvas. I don't know much about java bytecodes although I put a book specially about generating java bytecodes from languages that are not java in my Safari bookshelf. The idea is very nice except for the fact that the WHOLE RUNTIME REVOLUTION ENGINE WOULD NEED TO BE REWRITTEN, sorry for the all caps, but we needed emphasys. To create Nope, that's one approach. Generating bytecodes does _not_ require an engine rewrite. Cheers, Luis. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Deleting lines in a scrolling list box?
Hi Mark, No global variables needed and only one button with one mouseUp handler: on mouseUp if the hilitedLine of fld 1 is not empty then delete line (the hilitedLine of fld 1) of fld 1 else beep end if end mouseUp (Replace fld 1 with a reference to your field). Absolutely excellent!! Thanks a heap. I knew it'd be so simple I'd kick myself *again*. gI might actually get the hang of it soon. ;-) Thanks again, Scott ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution and the Web, feedback wanted, Part 2 of 3
Exactly! Once stacks are described in XML and CSS, the translation of stack layouts into a few other XML formats becomes nearly a trivial task. This could be both XHTML+CSS and SVG+CSS. Of course on the translated side, use of an additional library of primitives would be necessary. However the most complicated part would be translation of scripts... Best wishes Viktoras ---Original Message--- From: Luis Date: 11/28/06 12:34:24 To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Revolution and the Web, feedback wanted, Part 2 of 3 Hiya, I still think we should piggy back on the XML description of the stacks and inject the missing pieces there, I shouldn't think it's too far to XHTML from there. The injected pieces would be those as mentioned in 'Part 3'. Cheers, Luis. From Andre, cont.: We know that our tools pallete doesn't match the usual web controls, so we need a new pallete with web-savvy tools this tools could be a simple modal plugin with new tools such as TEXT, IMAGE, CONTAINER, and this tools could be easily converted to the usual HTML + CSS. For example HTML uses nested nodes such as /html/body/div/p for a paragraph that belongs to a div. How is that different from Rev groups, if you group all your card controls in a parent groups and had a nice web inspector to give it a type div we could simply map the tree nature of HTML back to Rev by using nested the groups. So all we need is a new tools pallete able to create objects that can be easily converted to their web counterparts and a new inspector that should have features to aid this conversion such as positioning tools, most of the CSS will use relative based position while rev uses absolute coordinates, a new inspector to deal with that kind of stuff. Take notice that what we're doing is not think how to map revolution to the web but the other way around, how to pick the most common web stuff and map back to rev so that after we do this mapping, we can simply write our web-tools. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution and the Web, feedback wanted, Part 1 of 3
Andre, I'd love to pitch in with some ideas on this if we can get a core group going. I've spent most of the last 2 years developing AJAX apps with PHP, which is the main reason I've been unusually quiet on this list, but I would love to see something pulled together like this. I do think there is a great possibility to create a web deploy subset of Revolution. People are doing more and more interesting things with Javascript these days (including but not limited to AJAX). I'd actually say that a lot of RunRev functions could be ported to Javascript to create a nice compatibility layer. It seems to me that the magic bullet is going to be the architecture. My thoughts for project pieces, off the top of my head would be: 1) A standard object-to-HTML/CSS interface for display and layout. Map Rev properties to CSS properties, figure out the best way to export each type of object, etc. Deal with the positioning issues (does everything have an absolute position like in a Rev stack, or?). Figure out the logical mappings like Group = DIV 2) Navigation model - how do cards and stacks relate to pages and frames, and vice versa in a clear and consistent manner? 3) A core Javascript library, call it Revolution.js which exposes as many core, client-side Revolution functions as possible 4) A remote function call protocol 5) Web mode development environment - a plugin for Rev IDE, a separate product? 6) All of the nice-to-haves (visual effects, server-side libraries for database access, dialogs, partial page updates, etc, etc) 7) A couple of solid applications of the tool to use as case studies and testbeds I could see myself pitching in on any of these really if we got something rolling. #3 is where I could probably do the most damage. If you (or anyone) wants to be ringleader, let me know and I'll pitch in as much as I can. - Brian Mark, you know half of this article was written after talking to you... :-) this piece is just a continuation of our talkings during revcon malta, I want to get something done, even if only to sprout more conversation here. waiting for your thoughts. Cheers andre On Nov 28, 2006, at 4:32 AM, Mark Wieder wrote: Richard- Monday, November 27, 2006, 9:38:23 PM, you wrote: That's a silly arbitrary limit. But the post is valuable and there are so many more people here than there that rather than inconvenience the lot of them I've taken the liberty of re-posting your message here as you originally intended, broken into three parts to work within the silly limit here Thanks. Much appreciated. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution and the Web, feedback wanted, Part 1 of 3So
So far, it seems the discussion on this topic pushes making Rev things into (or compatible with) web things. But, bear in mind Andre's metaphor -- There are more helicopters in the ocean than there are submarines in the sky. How about building an interface to make web things run in Revolution? In other words, don't map group to DIV to make Rev scripts run on the web, but map DIV to group to make web scripts run in Rev. I think if you gave me HTMLtext that could handle hyperlinks, UL and OL, TABLE, text wraparound IMG placement, HTML forms components, and by-paragraph font styling (CSS-sensitive DIVs), the job would be done. In fact, with the advent of an embedded browser in Rev 2.7.5, it seems to me the job IS done! Jerry Muelver ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [ANN] Galaxy 1.5 Birthday Special
No. See my signature. -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, This is good. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution and the Web, feedback wanted, Part 1 of 3
Luis, okay, my mistake involving a concept I don't fully grasp. Andre On Nov 28, 2006, at 8:21 AM, Luis wrote: From Andre: Boa noite, Friends, presentation authoring tool. Runtime Revolution is a turing complete application building language and IDE. Revolution has features such as Bom dia. Rev is _not_ Turing complete. Cheers, Luis. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution and the Web, feedback wanted, Part 2 of 3
Luis, thanks again for your quick feedback. I do think we need XHTML instead of XML to fallback because some browsers will not be able to handle XML+CSS... there still people running things like netscape gold. Andre On Nov 28, 2006, at 8:28 AM, Luis wrote: Hiya, I still think we should piggy back on the XML description of the stacks and inject the missing pieces there, I shouldn't think it's too far to XHTML from there. The injected pieces would be those as mentioned in 'Part 3'. Cheers, Luis. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Flash open source!!!
...now someone with time on their hands needs to modify the source so that it runs Transcript code natively... Mark, I think the Flash open source subject may be a little misleading. As far as I know, the ActionScript Virtual Machine is only part of the Flash plugin. The press release has the usual lack of clarity (spin) we've come to expect from large corporations with dollars to spend on marketing. Adobe has contributed source code for the ActionScriptT Virtual Machine My read on this is that the ECMA script engine (aka Javascript) will be folded into Spidermonkey, the Javascript engine that is part of the Mozilla project. It doesn't have anything really to do with Flash in particular. There are a number of products that utilize Spidermonkey for adding cross-platform scripting to their products when otherwise they might have to implement Applescript on Mac and VB Script on Windows - for example...Valentina Studio 2.5 :-) What this quite interesting in a database environment that also supports SQL - you can act automate SQL queries and also act on the result. Add in the new virtual PIVOT TABLE capabilities coming and you have an excellent data analysis tool. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software, Inc Joining Worlds of Information Deploy True Client-Server Database Solutions Royalty Free with Valentina Developer Network http://www.paradigmasoft.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: The basics of a chat program
On Nov 28, 2006, at 12:54 AM, Jan Sælid wrote: Mark wrote, I just made a couple of modifications. I uploaded a new version just now. The program does work once you enter in the other user's ip. I just tested in on my MBPro with the Mac talking to my Win system on Parallels. Worked great! Let me know if you need any direct help on using it. I get a problem if one of the machines is firewalled. I found another stack on rev online by Alex Tweedly, actually 2 stacks. 'TCP App 2' 'TCP App 1'. The latter one allows the machine to be more like a server. If I run TCP App 2 one on the machine with a firewall it connects. With this setup you only need to have 1 open port on one of the machines. The firewall issue is ... well... and issue. Both parties need to port forward their routers to the specified system. Maybe someone knows a better way to manage this without having to use a server model. I have not tried switching the port from 8080 to just 80. Someone with more knowledge on the subject may have a better solution. Mark Talluto -- CANELA Software http://www.canelasoftware.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Stupid Programming Challenge
Jan Sælid wrote: Trevor wrote, I think it is actually opposite. Tereza's code seems to make the thumbsize larger than the code I posted above and seems to be the right solution. You are definitively right Could someone post Tereza's whole handler, so those of us who are very lazy don't have to figure it out? -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Group buttons?
Hi, How do I group some square style buttons so that only one can be hilited at a time? Thanks, Joe Orlando, Florida ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Group buttons?
On 11/28/06 9:17 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do I group some square style buttons so that only one can be hilited at a time? What do you mean by 'hilited at a time' [1] only one button will work if the user clicks it [2] operate as if it were a radio button Are you setting the hilite of a square button when a user clicks and leaving it on? This is not the usual way of using a 'push' style button. Jim Ault Las Vegas ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Stupid Programming Challenge
Recently, J. Landman Gay wrote: Could someone post Tereza's whole handler, so those of us who are very lazy don't have to figure it out? I believe you mean this: set endValue of sb myScoller to (formattedHeight of grp myScrollGroup) set thumbSize of sb myScroller to (height of grp myScrollGroup) Thanks Tereza. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia Design - E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] W: http://www.tactilemedia.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Stupid Programming Challenge
On Nov 28, 2006, at 10:42 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: Jan Sælid wrote: Trevor wrote, I think it is actually opposite. Tereza's code seems to make the thumbsize larger than the code I posted above and seems to be the right solution. You are definitively right Could someone post Tereza's whole handler, so those of us who are very lazy don't have to figure it out? Sorry, I should have summarized my changes instead of blurting out each fix. I changed this: # FIX THIS HANDLER on initScrollbar set endvalue of sb scroller to max(0,(formattedHeight of group master - height of group master)) set thumbsize of sb scroller to 100 * (height of group master / formattedheight of group master) end initScrollbar to this: on initScrollbar set endvalue of sb scroller to max(0,formattedHeight of group master) set thumbsize of sb scroller to height of group master end initScrollbar t -- Tereza Snyder Califex Software, Inc. www.califexsoftware.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Deleting lines in a scrolling list box?
On 11/28/06 4:55 AM, Scott Kane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Mark, No global variables needed and only one button with one mouseUp handler: on mouseUp if the hilitedLine of fld 1 is not empty then delete line (the hilitedLine of fld 1) of fld 1 else beep end if end mouseUp (Replace fld 1 with a reference to your field). Absolutely excellent!! Thanks a heap. I knew it'd be so simple I'd kick myself *again*. gI might actually get the hang of it soon. ;-) Note - make sure the 'multipleHilites' for the field is FALSE (meaning the user can only select one line in the list), otherwse the script above will fail. For a more universal script, that works with both single and multiple selections, try this: on mouseUp if the hilitedLines of fld 1 is not empty then put the hilitedLines of fld 1 into tHLines put the number of items of tHLines into tNum repeat with x = tNum down to 1 delete line (item x of tHLines) of fld 1 end repeat else beep end if end mouseUp Have fun! Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution and the Web, feedback wanted, Part 2 of 3
--- Viktoras Didziulis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Exactly! Once stacks are described in XML and CSS, the translation of stack layouts into a few other XML formats becomes nearly a trivial task. This could be both XHTML+CSS and SVG+CSS. Of course on the translated side, use of an additional library of primitives would be necessary. However the most complicated part would be translation of scripts... Best wishes Viktoras Hi Viktoras et al, Well, I recently heard of a project called 'jsCard' - which aims to turn HyperTalk scripts into Javascript. URL: http://www.creysoft.com/jscard/ Best regards, Jan Schenkel. Quartam Reports for Revolution http://www.quartam.com = As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time. (La Rochefoucauld) Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Deleting lines in a scrolling list box?
--- Ken Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/28/06 4:55 AM, Scott Kane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Mark, No global variables needed and only one button with one mouseUp handler: on mouseUp if the hilitedLine of fld 1 is not empty then delete line (the hilitedLine of fld 1) of fld 1 else beep end if end mouseUp (Replace fld 1 with a reference to your field). Absolutely excellent!! Thanks a heap. I knew it'd be so simple I'd kick myself *again*. gI might actually get the hang of it soon. ;-) Note - make sure the 'multipleHilites' for the field is FALSE (meaning the user can only select one line in the list), otherwse the script above will fail. For a more universal script, that works with both single and multiple selections, try this: on mouseUp if the hilitedLines of fld 1 is not empty then put the hilitedLines of fld 1 into tHLines put the number of items of tHLines into tNum repeat with x = tNum down to 1 delete line (item x of tHLines) of fld 1 end repeat else beep end if end mouseUp Have fun! Ken Ray Actually, Ken, the hilitedLines are not necessarily in the right order - I've used this trick to simulate the behaviour of drag-selecting lines and putting the focus on the line that the cursor is over (on Windows you get a black rectangle around the 'active' line). So it is slightly safer to: ## on mouseUp put the hilitedLines of fld 1 into tLines if tLines is not empty then sort the items in tLines numeric descending repeat for each item tLine in tLines delete line tLine of fld 1 end repeat else beep end if end mouseUp ## Hope this helped, Jan Schenkel. Quartam Reports for Revolution http://www.quartam.com = As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time. (La Rochefoucauld) Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution and the Web, feedback wanted, Part 1 of 3
Here's what I can tell you from developing AJAX apps and working with companies that are trying to build tools to develop AJAX apps: 1) The fact that you can hack RR is a big plus. It makes bootstrapping much easier. 2) Parsing tools: Chunk Expression and Regular Expression support are also big plusses. 3) The hardest part of developing AJAX apps (or FJAX, or whatever flavor you prefer) isn't building the framework (hell, you don't even need to if you want to use Prototype, Dojo, etc.). The hardest part is accurately representing what you want your application to do and mean using XML so that the application works inside of the framework. Obviously a hackable environment that has crazy-helpful parsing tools make life a zillion times easier. 4) Application server: Big problem. If RR were easier to multi-thread this would be much easier, but it isn't yet. 5) Database server: Problem. While RR can perform database tasks fairly easily due to the paradigm, it is more difficult to make that model scale. On the good news side there are database plugins, which would help to separate the database server and the application server, but that adds overhead which is clearly a drawback. 6) Paradigm paralysis: Big problem. It would probably be better for RR to try to dump the card/stack vocabulary at this point and try to look more like a database. Explaining RR's design to a noob is a bit challenging. When HC came out, everybody knew what rolodexes and recipe boxes were. Now...not so much. 7) Implicit typing: I think this is actually a positive. It makes conversion to JS much simpler than if the language was strongly typed. 8) Message path, event handling: Neutral: Some of this can be coded into the framework, but some of it is going to have to be dealt with in the Application Server. The bad news is that this will require more network overhead. The good news is that you can do things that are difficult to do otherwise. However, I would think that it would be better to push as much of this up into the framework as possible. If the application server is compiled, then this shouldn't be too much of an issue as the message path can be made static at compile-time, except for some send and pass messages, which will have to be handled in the back-end 9) Security: Neutral - At this point injection is a limited risk, and it is possible to ensure that when RR receives messages from the client that it doesn't take them as valid on their face. The fact that RR is hackable means that we can accomplish this goal without a bunch of intervention by the developer. On the downside, the inability to intercept commands in the message path means that we cannot stop stupid message-injection-hacks like Dukakis as easily as we did with HC. Did I miss something? -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, This is good. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution and the Web, feedback wanted, Part 1 of 3
Oops: I forgot: Another problem/opportunity: Bookmarks, back button, forward button, reload: The tools that let me build applications that support these browser features build web apps that are a joy to use. Those that don't aren't. State is a tricky thing that needs to be considered in this discussion. The web is stateless. Applications generally aren't. In order to ensure that the user experience is a great one, the application server needs to generate URLs, and utilize other tools such as cookies in such a way as to not break when faced with the user hitting back or bookmarking a page and returning to it later. This is achievable, but it is also a bit challenging. -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, This is good. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution and the Web, feedback wanted, Part 2 of 3
I just took a look at it, and there's actually nothing there to see as yet. Maybe just another project started and then abandoned - we'll see. Best Mark On 28 Nov 2006, at 18:00, Jan Schenkel wrote: Well, I recently heard of a project called 'jsCard' - which aims to turn HyperTalk scripts into Javascript. URL: http://www.creysoft.com/jscard/ Best regards, Jan Schenkel. Quartam Reports for Revolution http://www.quartam.com = As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time. (La Rochefoucauld) __ __ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Flash open source!!!
Lynn- Tuesday, November 28, 2006, 7:54:24 AM, you wrote: My read on this is that the ECMA script engine (aka Javascript) will be folded into Spidermonkey, the Javascript engine that is part of the Mozilla project. It doesn't have anything really to do with Flash in particular. True, you'd still need a Flash plugin, but in addition to being rolled into Spidermonkey, the ActionScript VM itself is now open source. That's completely aside from being part of any mozilla product. I do expect to see some interesting things as part of the Spidermonkey integration, but it opens some other interesting doors as well. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Stupid Programming Challenge
on initScrollbar set endvalue of sb scroller to max(0,formattedHeight of group master) set thumbsize of sb scroller to height of group master end initScrollbar Beautiful simplicity, Tereza. But I think I missed something early on: Since what's being scrolled is a group, what's wrong with just using the group's scrollbars? -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal ___ Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution and the Web, feedback wanted, Part 1 of 3
Mikey wrote: 4) Application server: Big problem. If RR were easier to multi-thread this would be much easier, but it isn't yet. Given that Rev can be used with FastCGI, why is this a problem? -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal ___ Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Flash open source!!!
Dave- Tuesday, November 28, 2006, 12:46:43 AM, you wrote: Mark, I think the Flash open source subject may be a little misleading. As far as I know, the ActionScript Virtual Machine is only part of the Flash plugin. Yes, I got carried away and probably should have qualified that a bit. Got your attention, though, no? g Does this mean all the source code or just some of it? (If I were a betting man, I know where I'd place my money.) Following up the links to mozilla without downloading the source, it would appear that the full VM source is there. I'm not sure there is anything for Rev developers here. Me neither, at the moment, but the possibilities for generating compliant executable bytecode objects is intriguing. By working on an open source implementation of ES4 with the community, Adobe and Mozilla hope to accelerate the adoption of a standard language for creating engaging Web applications. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution and the Web, feedback wanted, Part 2 of 3
--- Mark Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 28 Nov 2006, at 18:00, Jan Schenkel wrote: Well, I recently heard of a project called 'jsCard' - which aims to turn HyperTalk scripts into Javascript. URL: http://www.creysoft.com/jscard/ Best regards, Jan Schenkel. I just took a look at it, and there's actually nothing there to see as yet. Maybe just another project started and then abandoned - we'll see. Best Mark Take a look at the following URL: http://www.creysoft.com/jscard/stack.php?stack=1 Definitely a Work In Progress, but it fits with Andre's model of translating Rev stacks to web pages. Best regards, Jan Schenkel. Quartam Reports for Revolution http://www.quartam.com = As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time. (La Rochefoucauld) Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution and the Web, feedback wanted, Part 1 of 3
--- Richard Gaskin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mikey wrote: 4) Application server: Big problem. If RR were easier to multi-thread this would be much easier, but it isn't yet. Given that Rev can be used with FastCGI, why is this a problem? -- Richard Gaskin Because with FastCGI you only have a single engine running, and when that's mulling over 5 million records in a MySQL database, no other requests can be handled. The main advantage of FastCGI is that a single engine keeps running; thus saving time because the engine doesn't need to be relaunched, database connection only needs to be opened once, etc. But it's still a single-threaded engine... While you can simulate a lot by using 'send in time' constructs, this becomes awkward to to script and a flood of requests will bring it to its knees. Jan Schenkel. Quartam Reports for Revolution http://www.quartam.com = As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time. (La Rochefoucauld) Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution and the Web, feedback wanted, Part 1 of 3
Unless you have a caching server in front of RR you are still going to get blasted by slow connections, hung connections, h4x0rz, search engine robots, and the weight of your own application. FastCGI only helps if you have a separate caching http server sitting between your application server and the 'net, because otherwise RR is still building all the dynamic content by itself, on the fly, in response to all of the requests. How many RR server farms are you aware of? Do they integrate tightly and load balance without a lot of intervention? This means you have another layer of overhead that you have to install, maintain and develop for. I think this argument is sort of like the current generation of AJAX programmers who think that Perl/Python/PHP/Ruby is an acceptable and reasonable long-term implementation plan. It isn't because the learning curve is too steep and the deployment tasks too complex. -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, This is good. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution and the Web, feedback wanted, Part 1 of 3
Mikey wrote: I think this argument is sort of like the current generation of AJAX programmers who think that Perl/Python/PHP/Ruby is an acceptable and reasonable long-term implementation plan. And yet they use it, on enough sites that it seems worth doing. Sure, one probably wouldn't want to run Google with such a setup. But how many of us have that sort of load? Are all Perl/Python/PHP/Ruby noticeably deficient? -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal ___ Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
altFont: Load a font
Hello, I recently purchased altFont and using the buttons that came with the DEMO stack all works fine, using altFont to embed a font in my app. I have been able to SuckUp the font in the IDE. SpitOut the font from the button's custom prop. into the default Folder. Now all I want to do is Load a font from the default Folder! Simple enough if a clicked button presents the User with a dialog to navigate the the font, but I don't want the User to have to do that. Why should they. I know where the font is sitting - its in the default Folder. So how can I replace the code below with something triggered by the card script to load the font automatically rather than the button... --snippet of code on mouseUp answer file choose a ttf file to load if it is empty then exit to top put the fontNames into tOldList put the number of lines in tOldList into tNumOfFonts -- ONLY COMMAND FOR LOADING XLOAD_FONT it put the result into tResult if tResult is not empty then answer warning tResult exit to top end if --etc. etc I did get a solution from the altFont author Chris Bohnert, but it lacked enough comment for this newbie to understand how to use uFileName and uEmbeddedFile and where to put the script... Adrian, The code you're using is very dangerously relying on the value of 'it' remaining stable between the call to Answer file and the call to XLOAD_FONT. I'd leave your 'suck up' button in place (hiding it when you ship) and do the following to load the font. The 'suck up' button sets the uFileName custom prop and uEmbeddedFile. put the uFileName of this card into tFilePath --if you need to append a subdir struct into the path you can do it now with put ./mysubdir/ tFilePath into tFilePath put the uEmbeddedFile of this card into URL(binfile: tFilePath ) if there is a file tFilePath then XLOAD_FONT tFilePath else answer information Font missing end if Any guidance would be appreciated, Thanks, Adrian __ Club Type http://www.clubtype.co.uk [EMAIL PROTECTED] use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Deleting lines in a scrolling list box?
On 11/28/06 12:08 PM, Jan Schenkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Note - make sure the 'multipleHilites' for the field is FALSE (meaning the user can only select one line in the list), otherwse the script above will fail. For a more universal script, that works with both single and multiple selections, try this: on mouseUp if the hilitedLines of fld 1 is not empty then put the hilitedLines of fld 1 into tHLines put the number of items of tHLines into tNum repeat with x = tNum down to 1 delete line (item x of tHLines) of fld 1 end repeat else beep end if end mouseUp Have fun! Ken Ray Actually, Ken, the hilitedLines are not necessarily in the right order - Really? I haven't seen this... do you have an example of when this occurs? Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution and the Web, feedback wanted, Part 1 of 3
Yes, the current implementation is being used...currently. However, the argument that the kludgey way of putting together these applications is the way of the future is unreasonable given the history of application development and deployment. That's the point. Each additional bit of work and each additional component that you strap on makes the product less attractive when held up in comparison with the alternatives. If I have to add a bunch of extra things and do a bunch of extra things to make one tool do what I want it to do then pretty soon it isn't any more compelling than some other tool. -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, This is good. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution and the Web, feedback wanted, Part 2 of 3
Thanks, Jan, I couldn't get anywhere from the index page. It looks very interesting. Best, Mark On 28 Nov 2006, at 18:30, Jan Schenkel wrote: Take a look at the following URL: http://www.creysoft.com/jscard/stack.php?stack=1 Definitely a Work In Progress, but it fits with Andre's model of translating Rev stacks to web pages. Best regards, Jan Schenkel. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution and the Web, feedback wanted, Part 1 of 3
Mikey wrote: Are all Perl/Python/PHP/Ruby noticeably deficient? Yes, the current implementation is being used...currently. However, the argument that the kludgey way of putting together these applications is the way of the future is unreasonable given the history of application development and deployment. I agree that it would be ideal to have a one-size-fits-all solution which affords rapid development time and infinite scalability across all possible uses. But in the here and now, given the evident usefulness of imperfect systems like Perl/Python/PHP/Ruby, it seems there's room for another entrant as long as it adds value to the mix. Sure, it won't be perfect. But since imperfect systems are already driving this imperfect world, I see no harm in pursuing it. And of course suggestions which would bring it closer to becoming the first perfect solution would be welcome. -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal ___ Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Deleting lines in a scrolling list box?
--- Ken Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/28/06 12:08 PM, Jan Schenkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, Ken, the hilitedLines are not necessarily in the right order - Really? I haven't seen this... do you have an example of when this occurs? Ken Ray I can't remember right now if the hilitedLines come back out sorted properly, but one can use ## set the hilitedLines of field List to 2,1,3,4 ## to make sure that the black border is around the second line. (I don't have the code with me right now, but you get the idea) Turning off the automatic selection handling in a list field can become challenging if you still want to make it work like you didn't turn it off :-) Jan Schenkel. Quartam Reports for Revolution http://www.quartam.com = As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time. (La Rochefoucauld) Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: altFont: Load a font
I'm hoping that Rev will make altFont a relatively transparent feature when it gets incorporated into the next version of Rev. Such that there is a simple imbed option in the standalone builder, and that the ensuing standalone will check font availability and do the install/uninstall on the host computer as needed upon startup/shutdown. Mark On Nov 28, 2006, at 11:06 AM, Adrian Williams wrote: Hello, I recently purchased altFont and using the buttons that came with the DEMO stack all works fine, using altFont to embed a font in my app. I have been able to SuckUp the font in the IDE. SpitOut the font from the button's custom prop. into the default Folder. Now all I want to do is Load a font from the default Folder! Simple enough if a clicked button presents the User with a dialog to navigate the the font, but I don't want the User to have to do that. Why should they. I know where the font is sitting - its in the default Folder. So how can I replace the code below with something triggered by the card script to load the font automatically rather than the button... --snippet of code on mouseUp answer file choose a ttf file to load if it is empty then exit to top put the fontNames into tOldList put the number of lines in tOldList into tNumOfFonts -- ONLY COMMAND FOR LOADING XLOAD_FONT it put the result into tResult if tResult is not empty then answer warning tResult exit to top end if --etc. etc I did get a solution from the altFont author Chris Bohnert, but it lacked enough comment for this newbie to understand how to use uFileName and uEmbeddedFile and where to put the script... Adrian, The code you're using is very dangerously relying on the value of 'it' remaining stable between the call to Answer file and the call to XLOAD_FONT. I'd leave your 'suck up' button in place (hiding it when you ship) and do the following to load the font. The 'suck up' button sets the uFileName custom prop and uEmbeddedFile. put the uFileName of this card into tFilePath --if you need to append a subdir struct into the path you can do it now with put ./mysubdir/ tFilePath into tFilePath put the uEmbeddedFile of this card into URL(binfile: tFilePath ) if there is a file tFilePath then XLOAD_FONT tFilePath else answer information Font missing end if Any guidance would be appreciated, Thanks, Adrian __ Club Type http://www.clubtype.co.uk [EMAIL PROTECTED] use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [ANN] New PenTool Script
on Fri Nov 24 01:25:35 Bill Marriott wrote: Hey this is pretty brilliant... Thanks! There's some usability issues compared to the way I'm accustomed to working in Illustrator - I'm used to clicking and dragging to set an anchor point and its direction vectors This is a bit difficult. I'm used to pressing the Backspace key to undo the last point I drew, while remaining in edit mode Yes, i think that this is possible I'm used to being able to select the path and pressing Delete to remove it from the canvas Ah, but you could do this with the browse tool, not with the direct selection tool. Sure, this could be added without problems, using a backspace handler Can't seem to be able to move the whole object by clicking in its interior and dragging The graphics created are without fill. Only when you close the graphic it become filled. Still, very impressive. Do you plan to be able to import SVG? :) Richard Gaskin already posted a library named mc2svg that export vector graphics to svg, but i'll see if i could adapt it to export these bezier graphics. Have a nice day! alejandro Visit my site: http://www.geocities.com/capellan2000/ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: altFont: Load a font
Mark Swindell wrote: I'm hoping that Rev will make altFont a relatively transparent feature when it gets incorporated into the next version of Rev. Such that there is a simple imbed option in the standalone builder, and that the ensuing standalone will check font availability and do the install/uninstall on the host computer as needed upon startup/shutdown. What a good idea! Can you put it in as a feature request in Bugzilla? I think everyone would like to see this implemented. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Stupid Programming Challenge
J. Landman Gay wrote on 28. november 2006 17:43, Could someone post Tereza's whole handler, so those of us who are very lazy don't have to figure it out? Just for the record and for the searching here is the result of this thread: I you want to make a custom proportional scrollbar here is two solutions that will calculate the thumbsize of the scrollbar and the endvalue. These two solutions are based on a vertical scrollbar object called scroller with a reference to a group called master. If you want to make a proportional scrollbar from scratch with your own graphics I think you have to tweak the calculation a little, but the basics is here: Solution 1, Tereza snyder: set endvalue of sb scroller to max(0,(formattedHeight of group master)) set thumbsize of sb scroller to (height of group master) Solution 2, Trevor DeVore: set the thumbposition of sb scroller to 0 set thumbsize of sb scroller to 100 * (height of group master / formattedheight of group master) put formattedheight of group master - the height of grp master into theEndValue IF theEndValue 0 THEN add the thumbsize of sb scroller to theEndValue ELSE put 0 into theEndValue set endvalue of sb scroller to theEndValue END initScrollbar That alright, Jacque? Jan ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
[X-POST] Share your recipes!
I'm reposting this to the list from the forums in the hopes of getting the widest possible group of people looking at how to coax these bugs out. Please help if you can! Calling all bug chefs! One of the toughest problems to fix is one you can't reproduce. There are several of these in the bug system. The developers have identified a list of bugs that need recipes -- in other words, the steps required to reproduce the problem. Those bugs include the following: 2868 - Saving with control-S has problems 3067 - Find and Replace too darned slow 3410 - revMail on MacOS X does not work correctly with non ASCII characters 3816 - openStack seems not to be sent to stacks on Mac OS 1377 - Printing Scripts in color causes overlapping text in the printout 3843 - openStack and openCard messages not being sent on stack launch 3845 - Dictionary Quick Search can't be canceled 3890 - Missing handler in Dictionary - Throws up Script error 3830 - object does not have this property in IDE when deselecting a multiple-image selection So here's an open invitation for you to read up on these bugs and try to devise a test case which can reliably (or at least more often than not) cause these errors to be generated. If/when you find a way to reproduce these issues, please log into Bugzilla and post a new comment to the bug and/or attach your sample file. Thanks! begin 666 icon_smile.gif M1TE.#EA#P`/`+,.`/_J`$5%10```/_.`/_)`/^T`/Z=`/_^D__]$___ MQS,S,___Z__E`'Y! $```X`+ `/``\```1;T$D9:IW85:;. M16 @G(,13$$G?PIJMVF'$.:@H.GS^*G #QH*%RB''!!2`=.B[EMAIL PROTECTED] G*P/9:[L5K@)906(\%A!VFL@P3736J7/X6!0KXPC##LM0F$0`[ ` end ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Stupid Programming Challenge
(damn this formatting.) The lines was not separated. Here it is again, hopefully it shows right :) J. Landman Gay wrote on 28. november 2006 17:43, Could someone post Tereza's whole handler, so those of us who are very lazy don't have to figure it out? Just for the record and for the searching here is the result of this thread: I you want to make a custom proportional scrollbar here is two solutions that will calculate the thumbsize of the scrollbar and the endvalue. These two solutions are based on a vertical scrollbar object called scroller with a reference to a group called master. If you want to make a proportional scrollbar from scratch with your own graphics I think you have to tweak the calculation a little, but the basics is here: Solution 1, Tereza snyder: set endvalue of sb scroller to max(0,(formattedHeight of group master)) set thumbsize of sb scroller to (height of group master) Solution 2, Trevor DeVore: set the thumbposition of sb scroller to 0 set thumbsize of sb scroller to 100 * (height of group master / formattedheight of group master) put formattedheight of group master - the height of grp master intotheEndValue IF theEndValue 0 THEN add the thumbsize of sb scroller to theEndValue ELSE put 0 into theEndValue set endvalue of sb scroller to theEndValue END initScrollbar That alright, Jacque? Jan ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Flash open source!!!
On Nov 28, 2006, at 12:46 AM, Dave Cragg wrote: I'm not sure there is anything for Rev developers here. Well maybe not directly in Rev But what about using Flex Builder to rich UIs and Flash Controls and running them inside of altBrowser. Since Flex works really well with any type of web server, why not one built directly into your Rev Application. Flex Builder comes with a whole mess of Controls, like table views, tree views, charts, schedule views, graphs, splitters. All with dynamic resizing. It is pretty cool! ( but no where near cheap) There are a bunch of products out there trying to make Flex Programs run on the desktop. They call them projectors, seems to me Rev Plus altBrowser might already be one. This is all theory for me at this point since I haven't tried it. But I have used this concept with FileMaker Pro 8.5, which has a WebBrowser Control now. And it works quite well. Todd -- Todd Geist __ g e i s t i n t e r a c t i v e ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
ANN: ArchiveSearch 2.20
All- Google's indexing of the use-list archives has deteriorated rather seriously lately, so I took advantage of that to update my plugin for searching the online archives. I've added OpenSubscriber to the list of online archives and bumped Google to the bottom of the list - it should really only be used as a last resort. In addition, the feature that lets you send mail to the message writer rarely works now since the online archives have gotten much better at hiding and encrypting addresses. This is a Good Thing. I've still got the feature in there, but I don't expect it to work much except with Google. Available in my user space or from our website: revOnline : mwieder http://www.ahsoftware.net/ArchiveSearch.html -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution and the Web, feedback wanted, Part 1 of 3
Actually, scalable PHP really isn't that hard. It's easy to *screw up*, but for all of the theoretically objections it just happens to run some of the largest websites on the net. With a well-written PHP application, how long does it take to stick a load balancer in front of it? Assuming your database is your persistent storage (and those can of course be scaled separately), scaling PHP is beyond simple. Same with any stateless scripting language. (Yes, I've done it - not massively, but over several servers - and you can hum pretty well with 3 dedicated PHP boxes) Perl/Python/PHP/Ruby are certainly flawed, but I've never understood why there are such tall claims about their unsuitability with all of the evidence to the contrary. And yes, I've load balanced PHP applications over multiple servers - and it was actually quite straightforward. If anything, MySQL is trickier to scale out, but there's also no requirement to use that =). Here's one reference which I think is a pretty fair treatment of scaling PHP or similar applications (based on Flickr): http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/web2apps/ Perhaps more to the point - if we CANT use Rev CGI (which I'd like to, but I don't know if it's wise for both technical and practical reasons), what we would use other than PHP/Perl/Python? We certainly wouldn't want to lock into something more proprietary like .NET ? I think this argument is sort of like the current generation of AJAX programmers who think that Perl/Python/PHP/Ruby is an acceptable and reasonable long-term implementation plan. It isn't because the learning curve is too steep and the deployment tasks too complex. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Stupid Programming Challenge
On Nov 28, 2006, at 12:30 PM, Jan Sælid wrote: Solution 1, Tereza snyder: set endvalue of sb scroller to max(0,(formattedHeight of group master)) set thumbsize of sb scroller to (height of group master) I think we should just let Solution 1 live on. It's best if we just sweep Solution 2 under the rug :-) -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems - www.bluemangolearning.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Declaring Variables
Hi from Paris, I'm sorry you guys : From: Jan Schenkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Globval and script-local variables need to be declared, or you can't use them as such - the compiler will assume you're working with a temporary variable by the same name, and may even decide that the default value of that variable is the same as the name of the variable. or From: Dar Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nice summary on declaring variables, Jan) On Nov 27, 2006, at 2:35 PM, Jan Schenkel wrote: the compiler ... may even decide that the default value of that variable is the same as the name of the variable. but I think that you are pushing the envelope just a little too much, especially if Jo is a beginner. Please be assured that I am not knocking you, because you may know lots more about Revolution and Transcript than I do. But the problem is not there : 1 - Look at the question 2 - Based upon the question and the way it was asked, judge the level of the person who asked the question. 3 - Answer the question on that level. Let's look at the question ... From: Jo - [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've seen references to declaring or initializing variables. How and why would I do that? This question is phrased like Jo is a relative beginner. You may have even have scared him off by your answers. So, assuming he is a beginner, here we go ... ! Jo - In the cards of your stacks you can create fields containing information. These fields can contain ANYTHING, numbers, texts, binaries, on/off switches. You define your fields, name them, and you put what you want in them. In your stack, you can execute command scripts (usually executed by clicking on a button). Do what you like in these scripts (some commands are easy to understand, some are not !). I imagine you understand the principles of scripts. Sometimes you need TEMPORARY BOXES (we'll get to the idea of temporary, and its SCOPE later), in which you can store information. These are called variables. They are only known in scripts, and can never be seen physically in your stack. When you exit the stack, these variables, and their values will be lost. During current execution, these variables will be KNOWN within a certain scope, that is, they may be KNOWN in script , and UNKNOWN in script . It is for you to decide. Where are variables used ? ONLY in scripts that you may write. These scripts are called when you click on buttons, click on locked fields, or invoke by certain commands (such as send mouseUp to button ). Certain names must not be used, as they will confuse the run-time compiler (they are called RESERVED names). You may find out this rule the hard way. Always give guaranteed unique names to your variables.. Invent your own rules, and stick to them. As a general rule, you should give pertinent names to your variables, especially global ones, so that you can remember what they were used for, when you return to the scripts later in time. You can define the existence of a temporary (or LOCAL) variable, simply by referring to it. put 10 into MyLineCount Within the script, you can change its value, use its value, check its value, , move its value to another variable, move its value to a defined card field, etc. You can also declare a temporary (or LOCAL) variable by putting : local MyLineCount at the beginning of your script. This is not absolutely necessary, but this way, you (or anybody else) will know which temporary variables you used. You can also put comments to remind you what they were used for. These temporary (LOCAL) variables will be AVAILABLE during the execution of the script in which they are found. In other scripts, reference to a variable of the same name will be a reference to ANOTHER variable, with ANOTHER value. Even if you declare them, local variables will still be unknown OUTSIDE the script in which they were defined. Variables are initialized to empty. You may have to initialize variables (especially arithmetic variables), before performing operations on them. Otherwise, the first command which uses them may fail : Example : put 0 into MyLineCount ... used for arithmetic commands Later : add 1 to MyLineCount .. will NOT provoke an error. If you want to PASS variable information between different scripts, then you define the variables as GLOBAL, in each script where you wish to refer to the values : Example : global MyFileName If you set the variable in one script, its value will be available in other scripts that have ALSO defined it as a global. Of course, the time factor is important.. When you refer to to a global variable in a script, you will get the LATEST value that was set (or empty, if it was not yet set) in any PREVIOUSLY executed scripts that set it. If you define a variable as global, you can see it at any time by displaying the Variable Watcher, assuming that you gave it a value at some
RE: Stupid Programming Challenge
Trevor wrote: I think we should just let Solution 1 live on. It's best if we just sweep Solution 2 under the rug :-) Not if you want to create a custom scrollbar with custom graphics. I'm building one now. Based on all of this. I use a simple rectangle as the thumb. I will post it on rev online when I'm finished. -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems - www.bluemangolearning.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Stupid Programming Challenge
Recently, Trevor DeVore wrote: set endvalue of sb scroller to max(0,(formattedHeight of group master)) set thumbsize of sb scroller to (height of group master) I think we should just let Solution 1 live on. It's best if we just sweep Solution 2 under the rug :-) To clarify, solution 1 as listed above contains some unnecessary code. Use the following bit I posted earlier, which has generic object references: set endValue of sb myScroller to (formattedHeight of grp myScrollGroup) set thumbSize of sb myScroller to (height of grp myScrollGroup) Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia Design - E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] W: http://www.tactilemedia.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: altFont: Load a font
Adrian, Here's a handler to load a font named fred.ttf located in the default folder. on loadFont pFont if / is not in pFont then -- pFont IS NOT FULL PATHNAME SO MUST CREATE FULLPATH put the defaultFolder into tPath put tPath / pFont into pFont end if -- NOW LOAD THE FONT XLOAD_FONT tPath put the result into tResult if tResult is not empty then answer warning tResult end if end loadFont You can call this handler from a handler in the card script of card 1 of your stack: on openStack loadFont fred.ttf end openStack On 11/28/06, Adrian Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I did get a solution from the altFont author Chris Bohnert, but it lacked enough comment for this newbie to understand how to use uFileName and uEmbeddedFile and where to put the script. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Stupid Programming Challenge
My guess is Scott is creating his own custom scroller for groups. On 11/28/06, Richard Gaskin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But I think I missed something early on: Since what's being scrolled is a group, what's wrong with just using the group's scrollbars? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: ANN: ArchiveSearch 2.20
Thanks Mark. Good one. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution and the Web, feedback wanted, Part 2 of 3
Wow! too cool! On 11/28/06, Jan Schenkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Take a look at the following URL: http://www.creysoft.com/jscard/stack.php?stack=1 Definitely a Work In Progress, but it fits with Andre's model of translating Rev stacks to web pages. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution and the Web, feedback wanted, Part 1 of 3
Mikey- Tuesday, November 28, 2006, 10:09:25 AM, you wrote: 6) Paradigm paralysis: Big problem. It would probably be better for RR to try to dump the card/stack vocabulary at this point and try to look more like a database. Explaining RR's design to a noob is a bit challenging. When HC came out, everybody knew what rolodexes and recipe boxes were. Now...not so much. ROTFL. And then sitting back and thinking about it. That's actually a really good point. Kind of goes along with dialing a phone or sounding like a broken record. But you can still use the analogy of a deck of cards. That one hasn't been obsoleted yet. ...and I still have a recipe box... -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution and the Web, feedback wanted, Part 1 of 3
I'm not sure how we got off this far, but to bring it back to my original comment, the more complex you make the RR-enabled solution that implements this type of application, the less likely it will be to succeed. While it is possible to achieve a goal of taping together enough pieces parts to make an AJAX app., I would think that the goal would be much more ambitious than that, otherwise the ROI will be small. Therefore, among my other opinions on this topic, I believe that RR would be easier to sell as an AJAX/FJAX/AppleJax development tool if when it gets there it is also multi-threaded. -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, This is good. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Flash open source!!!
On 28 Nov 2006, at 20:46, Todd Geist wrote: On Nov 28, 2006, at 12:46 AM, Dave Cragg wrote: I'm not sure there is anything for Rev developers here. Well maybe not directly in Rev But what about using Flex Builder to rich UIs and Flash Controls and running them inside of altBrowser. Since Flex works really well with any type of web server, why not one built directly into your Rev Application. I don't think this follows as a consequence of the open source announcement. (It was already possible.) But it's an interesting notion anyway. I guess the first question would be why bother when you can build potentially more powerful standalone apps in Rev anyway that also work well with web servers. (But potentially lacking some of those cool looking Flex controls. :-)) But there might be an advantage if you have to create something that has to run in both a browser and a standalone app. Cheers Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution and the Web, feedback wanted, Part 1 of 3
Mikey- Tuesday, November 28, 2006, 10:09:25 AM, you wrote: 3) The hardest part of developing AJAX apps (or FJAX, or whatever flavor you prefer) isn't building the framework (hell, you don't even need to if you want to use Prototype, Dojo, etc.). The hardest part is accurately representing what you want your application to do and mean using XML so that the application works inside of the framework. Note that, in spite of the name, you don't have to use xml with AJAX. I use the combination of an AJAX front end on a web page to invoke rev cgi scripts on the server in order to update a section of the page. Works fine without any actual xml involved. I prefer to call it AJAR. That said, you're spot on about the hardest part being accurately representing what you want your application to do. And that's true for any app, not just restricted to AJAX. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution and the Web, feedback wanted, Part 1 of 3
Hey, Brian, I'm sorry for bringing in another argument to a completely different point I was trying to make. However, as long as this is now becoming a completely different discussion with a life of its own... I'm not saying that the PHP/Perl/Python/RoR/etc. solution isn't viable (or that GWT isn't viable). What I'm saying is that in general the more complicated solution doesn't make it, because people don't want to spend the effort when there is a simpler solution that allows them to achieve the same result. If you could write AJAX apps in BASIC, C#, Java, or Pascal with a graphical development tool, a built-in database, and do it for essentially no investment, would you bother to learn all the other tools? Probably not. That's the bet Morfik is making. They're betting that if they give developers a traditional tool that builds AJAX apps without any extra effort that the decision will be a no-brainer. Similarly, RR has a similar potential advantage - we have this highly abstracted development environment with this highly abstracted language, and you can hack it. With a couple of clicks of the mouse you can build an AJAX app. Do you think you could convince n00bs that this is a great idea? Of course you could. However, you first have to get people to learn the language. There's a hurdle. Then there's the price. That's another hurdle. How many other hurdles do you want them to have to go over? Two? Five? I vote for zero. -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, This is good. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution and the Web, feedback wanted, Part 1 of 3
Hey, Mark. The card paradigm/example can still work, but just not as well as before. The question is: is there a better one? Are people familiar enough with database jargon in the workplace to substitute record, template, table, file, etc. for card, background, stack? That's something that should be at least discussed. -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, This is good. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: just a comment
On 11/28/06 12:36 AM, Jim Ault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/27/06 10:03 PM, John Vokey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All, One of my students got caught by the following in her stack: At the top of the card script, she declared some variables local to the scripts of that card, as we always we do. For one of these variables, she did not initialise it in any way. However, the use of that variable is always done with ``put tab and someData after thelocalvariable''. No problem on first use, but the stack always returns to the first cd of the stack to run the next subject, and when it gets back to this cd, the local variable still exists (as if it were a global), so the ``tab someData'' gets added to the end of the data from the previous run. No big deal, as we can just clear the variable in the opencard handler, but it is surprising, as local variables are not supposed to be persistent, at least to my knowledge. There are two kinds of 'local' variables... script local --persistent --are only in the scope of that script handler local --they evaporate when the handler ends --they are only in the scope of that handler IIRC, the variables do not get overwritten or cleared until the stack is closed, so this is why the script local variables were still working when you went back to the card. Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution and the Web, feedback wanted, Part 1 of 3
Richard- Tuesday, November 28, 2006, 10:24:03 AM, you wrote: Mikey wrote: 4) Application server: Big problem. If RR were easier to multi-thread this would be much easier, but it isn't yet. Given that Rev can be used with FastCGI, why is this a problem? Let's say you have two users trying to access a stack at more or less the same time. Without fastCGI you have no persistence of variables - each invocation of the engine starts fresh each time. Once you use fastCGI that problem disappears, as the engine is always in the server's memory, so it's like never closing the stack. But now you have problems separating the two users' namespaces. And since the variables are persistent, interleaving the two users' requests is going to get garbled. There's no way to keep them in separate places without a lot of frontend and backend coding. And that's just two users - it becomes a lot harder as you try to scale it. If you could thread user requests then this would resolve to a much simpler case. Send in time also probably requires multithreading, if it can be done at all. It's similar to the blocking problem conceptually. And any of the blocking calls will bring a fastCGI system to a halt and prevent multiuser access. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution and the Web, feedback wanted, Part 1 of 3
Note that, in spite of the name, you don't have to use xml with AJAX. I use the combination of an AJAX front end on a web page to invoke rev cgi scripts on the server in order to update a section of the page. Works fine without any actual xml involved. I prefer to call it AJAR. I have never seen a well-scaled app that worked this way. There has, in my experience been too much traffic back and forth to make it efficient. It isn't that the server can't handle the load, but generally the clients can't. That said, you're spot on about the hardest part being accurately representing what you want your application to do. And that's true for any app, not just restricted to AJAX. What makes this harder, though, is the fact that you are taking an application that is already written and essentially converting it to something else. That, I think is the hard part, because you are asking the machine to do it. -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, This is good. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Group buttons?
In a message dated 11/28/06 10:05:00 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How do I group some square style buttons so that only one can be hilited at a time? This sounds, to me, like you want to have a bunch of square thingies that *behave* like radiobutton-type buttons, even tho they don't have that funky filled/unfilled circle off to the left. Presuming I'm right about what you want, one solution that might serve your needs might be like so: First: Make your buttons. Since you're doing nonstandard stuff with the hilites, you'll have to make sure that autoHilite is turned off for *all* of them. You'll also want to make sure each button has a unique name -- no duplicate names here, thanks. Second: Group all of your buttons. Third: Make sure that each button in the group has a mouseUp handler. Make sure that each button's mouseUp handler includes the line RadioLite (the short name of me) Fourth: Put this handler into the script of the group that contains all your buttons: on RadioLite (TheClickedButton) repeat with K1 = 1 to the number of buttons in me set the hilite of button K1 to (the short name of button K1 = TheClickedButton) end repeat end RadioLite Note that I haven't actually tested this code. I *think* the number of buttons in me bit should work, since the me refers to the object that has the script -- which is, in this case, the group that contains your buttons. The set the hilite line, however, will work and is the key to the whole thing. The hilite is a Boolean value, i.e., it's either true or false; this means you can set a button's hilite to anything, as long as that thing *is* a Boolean value. Thus, since TheClickedButton is the short name of the button that was actually clicked on, the short name of button K1 = TheClickedButton will be false for every button that's *not* the button that was clicked on, right? Thus, all not-clicked-on buttons will be unhilited. Even if I've messed up, tho, I believe this solution should at least point the way to a viable solution for you. -- ANTHRO -- http://anthrozine.com It's furry. It's the *good* stuff. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution and the Web, feedback wanted, Part 1 of 3
I don't fully understand the interest in translating Rev projects so they run in the (or most of the) popular browsers... seems kind of like trying to get Flash to make standalone apps (http:// www.multidmedia.com/software/mdmstudio/). Seems like especially now that RR will be bundling Chipp's browser plugin, a better direction might be just *replacing* the user's browser, since web technologies (like Flash) can now run in a stack. If the content is worth it, the user will download something... (and if it's not, why bother? :-) OT: On another note, does a smiley :-) officially end a parenthetical phrase? That is, which is correct: A. (why bother :-) B. (why bother :-) ) I vote A. B looks weird, like a double chin. On Nov 27, 2006, at 9:38 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Andre wrote: Again on this list we touch the topics of browser plugins, flash export and other possible web related features. People from the RunRev team came forward and asked us for feedback and requests and many answered to this call. This email will be my thoughts on the topic of web and rev ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution and the Web, feedback wanted, Part 1 of 3
On Nov 28, 2006, at 4:03 PM, Josh Mellicker wrote: OT: On another note, does a smiley :-) officially end a parenthetical phrase? That is, which is correct: A. (why bother :-) B. (why bother :-) ) I vote A. B looks weird, like a double chin. I vote for A too. -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems - www.bluemangolearning.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution and the Web, feedback wanted, Part 1 of 3
You mean those symbol-type things you see on the online poker sites? :) Mark On 28 Nov 2006, at 22:41, Mark Wieder wrote: But you can still use the analogy of a deck of cards. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution and the Web, feedback wanted, Part 1 of 3
I don't fully understand the interest in translating Rev projects so they run in the (or most of the) popular browsers... seems kind of like trying to get Flash to make standalone apps (http:// www.multidmedia.com/software/mdmstudio/). I think maybe some of the disagreement comes from the fact that an AJAX exporter for Rev targets a whole new market. The projects that people use Rev for now might not be the same projects that would work well in a browser; however, there is a HUGE market for the first really useable RAD tool for spitting out AJAX apps - and if it was based on Rev it would have the nice side-effect of producing Mac, Windows and Linux standalones at the same time. I see what you're saying about Flash to standalone, but the difference is that there are already plenty of great tools (like Revolution) for creating standalone apps. There really aren't any viable RAD tools for the web, IMO. There are some interesting attempts out there, but I think the market is still wide open. Plus, there is a ton of benefit in moving something from the desktop to the web - but there's not much motivation to go the other way. Seems like especially now that RR will be bundling Chipp's browser plugin, a better direction might be just *replacing* the user's browser, since web technologies (like Flash) can now run in a stack. But what user has any desire to replace their web browser with another application that just has the same web browser embedded inside of it? To me the bottom line here is efficiency - RAD. There's nothing Rev can spit out for the web that can't already be developed without it, but any RAD tool that made it even 10% easier to deploy AJAX apps stands to make a killing. - Brian ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
unexpected behavior 'on mouseup'
Do four simple steps: [1] Make a new mainstack [2] set the card script to on mouseUp put the long id of the target the seconds end mouseUp [3] Make a new button [4] Choose Browse mode --- Why does the card script run when clicking the button that contains the script: on mouseUp end mouseUp It is as if the button has 'pass mouseUp' implied. Now add any character to the button script, such as a space, click apply, and no message is passed (but the script is the same) Not a show-stopper, but fooled me when using a transparent button to block mouse clicks. Perhaps this is already bugzilla'd, or is expected behavior. Jim Ault Las Vegas ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution and the Web, feedback wanted, Part 1 of 3
Note that, in spite of the name, you don't have to use xml with AJAX. I use the combination of an AJAX front end on a web page to invoke rev cgi scripts on the server in order to update a section of the page. Works fine without any actual xml involved. I prefer to call it AJAR. I have never seen a well-scaled app that worked this way. There has, in my experience been too much traffic back and forth to make it efficient. It isn't that the server can't handle the load, but generally the clients can't. I must not be understanding your comment - how does this generate any more traffic than using XML, or for that sake - using frames instead of asynchronous calls? Lots of well-scaled apps update portions of the page from remote scripts - that's pretty much every Web 2.0 product on the market. Sticking XML in the middle, if you don't really need it, only creates *another* layer of processing. It's not like XML is less verbose than HTML, or that plain text takes up a lot of bandwidth... That said, you're spot on about the hardest part being accurately representing what you want your application to do. And that's true for any app, not just restricted to AJAX. What makes this harder, though, is the fact that you are taking an application that is already written and essentially converting it to something else. That, I think is the hard part, because you are asking the machine to do it. I think the only reasonable expectation would be that you develop in some sort of a web compatibility mode. It would be nearly impossible to convert just any existing Rev stack. - Brian ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Group buttons?
On 11/28/06 5:26 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First: Make your buttons. Since you're doing nonstandard stuff with the hilites, you'll have to make sure that autoHilite is turned off for *all* of them. You'll also want to make sure each button has a unique name -- no duplicate names here, thanks. Second: Group all of your buttons. Third: Make sure that each button in the group has a mouseUp handler. Make sure that each button's mouseUp handler includes the line RadioLite (the short name of me) Fourth: Put this handler into the script of the group that contains all your buttons: on RadioLite (TheClickedButton) repeat with K1 = 1 to the number of buttons in me set the hilite of button K1 to (the short name of button K1 = TheClickedButton) end repeat end RadioLite You can also do it without putting any code in the buttons (or just a double-hyphen comment to make sure there's no mouseUp handlers in there), and add this to the group script: on mouseUp repeat with K1 = 1 to the number of buttons of me set the hilite of btn K1 to (the short name of btn K1 = the short name of the target) end repeat end mouseUp But either way, you get the idea... Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution and the Web, feedback wanted, Part 1 of 3
I'm sorry for bringing in another argument to a completely different point I was trying to make. No problem- I'm the one who took the bait! Similarly, RR has a similar potential advantage - we have this highly abstracted development environment with this highly abstracted language, and you can hack it. With a couple of clicks of the mouse you can build an AJAX app. Do you think you could convince n00bs that this is a great idea? Of course you could. However, you first have to get people to learn the language. There's a hurdle. Then there's the price. That's another hurdle. How many other hurdles do you want them to have to go over? Two? Five? I vote for zero. People have no trouble jumping on a new scripting language if it has real benefits. It's much easier than picking up a new platform or a low level language. This is part of the reason why you see Perl, Python, PHP on a zillion resumes these days. It's really not that hard to learn any of these if you know another, Transcript included. There doesn't seem to be much resistance to learning Ruby, because it promised the AJAX revolution. That excitement may have slowed, but it shows people will jump Morfik looks interesting. Seems to justify the market if you ask me. Of course I can't use it, because it's Windows only =). And talk about price hurdles - $5000 / developer for the professional edition!! Perhaps our gap here is that I don't see this as a tool for n00bs. Look at the kind of developers Morfix is targeting - shops that would consider a $100k site license... - Brian ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Stupid Programming Challenge
Hi again! I've made a small stack based on this little thread. It consists of a custom scrollbar with 2 elements. A rectangle for the rail and a rectangle for the thumb. It's simple and not flashy, only functional. The code in the stack is a soup with ingredients from Scott Rossi, Tereza Snyder, Trevor DeVore and Malte Brill's propscroll stack, and code from tactile medias Drag sample stack. Please feel free to fix and polish my rather amateurish code...:-) The Stack is called CustomPropScrollbar and is available at rev online under the user name Jan Selid That's all Cheers, Jan ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Alternating Lines in a listbox
Recently, Scott Kane wrote: I thought I'd ask if any solutions have been found to the alternating lines in a list box issue (the old make it look like ITunes dilemma). Scott Rossi replied: With Rev 2.7 it's fairly easy. Create an image that the two colors you want stacked one above the other, with the height of each bar equal to the textheight of your list field. Set the backPattern of your list field to the ID of the image and you should be good to go. Execute the following in your message box for an example: go url http://www.tactilemedia.com/download/striped_list_field.rev; This doesn't seem to work on win98. Only the 'top' color appears. Same stack on OSX is fine. Any ideas (besides updating to XP! ;) ) Jim Lambert ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Stupid Programming Challenge (Barry Barber)
Hello again, Seeing as all the experts are now agreed on the script for a proportional thumb on a scrollbar, may I ask a stupid beginners question? Why did Scott Rossi use a separate scrollbar and routine? I thought the method was to click the 'Vertical scrollbar' box in the Basic properties of the Group master. When I did this I got a proportional scrollbar which scrolled to end of the list without scriptng anything - of which I am not yet capable, anyway!.;-( Of course there will be some technical reason which I will not understand but would love to know. On Nov 27, 2006, at 9:54 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: OK, I've beaten my head against the wall long enough on this, so I'm throwing it out there for anyone who wants to try their hand at a simple (?) challenge: Modify the initScrollbar routine in the following stack such that 1) the scrollbar displays proportionally to content displayed in the associated group, and 2) the scrollbar consistently scrolls the group to the end of its content. The stack contains a button to randomly populate a scrolling group, and the initScrollbar routine is stored in the button. go url http://www.tactilemedia.com/download/sbfix.rev; --- Thanks to all for the valuable info I pick up here everyday. Must limit reading this list though and try creating something. Barry -- Passa a Infostrada. ADSL e Telefono senza limiti e senza canone Telecom http://click.libero.it/infostrada29nov06 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Stupid Programming Challenge (Barry Barber)
Because of customisation and control. Want to make a flashy custom scrollbar with a proportional thumb and your own graphics? Well, this is it. (The stack I created as a result of the thread is called customPropsScrollbar and is available at rev online under the user name Jan Selid) Regards, Jan ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Deleting lines in a scrolling list box?
Note - make sure the 'multipleHilites' for the field is FALSE (meaning the user can only select one line in the list), otherwse the script above will fail. For a more universal script, that works with both single and multiple selections, try this: on mouseUp if the hilitedLines of fld 1 is not empty then put the hilitedLines of fld 1 into tHLines put the number of items of tHLines into tNum repeat with x = tNum down to 1 delete line (item x of tHLines) of fld 1 end repeat else beep end if end mouseUp Thanks Ken! Scott ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Deleting lines in a scrolling list box?
Hope this helped, Thanks, Jan! :-) Scott ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Stupid Programming Challenge (Barry Barber)
Recently, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why did Scott Rossi use a separate scrollbar and routine? I thought the method was to click the 'Vertical scrollbar' box in the Basic properties of the Group master. When I did this I got a proportional scrollbar which scrolled to end of the list without scriptng anything - of which I am not yet capable, anyway!.;-( Of course there will be some technical reason which I will not understand but would love to know. Guess I should answer... :-) Normally, there probably isn't much need for a separate scrollbar control. In my case, I was trying to emulate a solution I didn't know about: trying to use a miniscrollbar with a scrolling group. Mark Schonewille pointed out that one can set the scrollbarWidth of the group to the desired value (13) to get the miniscrollbar effect, which is great. But I'm doing some pixel-precise positioning of UI elements in my stack where the group's built-in scrollbar doesn't quite fit the way I need it to. So using the separate scrollbar is a good solution for me. Another example could be a shared space scrollbar. For example, in some applications, a horizontal scrolling region can span the width of a window, but the scrollbar only spans a portion of the overall width so that other controls/displays can appear in-line alongside the scrollbar. This type of shared space is where a custom-sized scrollbar can be very useful. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia Design - E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] W: http://www.tactilemedia.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: unexpected behavior 'on mouseup'
Might it be that when the button is created, although it's script contains the on mouseUp handler, the script has not been compiled? Best, Mark On 29 Nov 2006, at 00:27, Jim Ault wrote: Do four simple steps: [1] Make a new mainstack [2] set the card script to on mouseUp put the long id of the target the seconds end mouseUp [3] Make a new button [4] Choose Browse mode --- Why does the card script run when clicking the button that contains the script: on mouseUp end mouseUp It is as if the button has 'pass mouseUp' implied. Now add any character to the button script, such as a space, click apply, and no message is passed (but the script is the same) Not a show-stopper, but fooled me when using a transparent button to block mouse clicks. Perhaps this is already bugzilla'd, or is expected behavior. Jim Ault Las Vegas ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Alternating Lines in a listbox
Thanks Scott. I've posted a stack on RevOnline user jimL or RevOnline categories Utilities Alternate Line Colors in fields that contains a script demonstrating how to make alternating line colors in fields using Rev 2.7 or greater. It uses the technique Scott Rossi explained previously. Hope this helps! Jim Lambert ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution and the Web, feedback wanted, Part 1 of 3
Mikey- Tuesday, November 28, 2006, 2:57:07 PM, you wrote: before. The question is: is there a better one? Are people familiar enough with database jargon in the workplace to substitute record, template, table, file, etc. for card, background, stack? That's My guess is no. I generally get blank stares when I first start in to talk about database concepts. If I start from a spreadsheet some of it starts to sink in, but that analogy doesn't really apply to a stack. I think the current paradigm is as close as it gets - everyone's got a stack of papers in their inbox, some with little post-its on them. People have been trying to explain the paradigm for twenty years now. I think Apple still doesn't get it. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: unexpected behavior 'on mouseup'
Jim wrote: Do four simple steps: [1] Make a new mainstack [2] set the card script to on mouseUp put the long id of the target the seconds end mouseUp [3] Make a new button [4] Choose Browse mode --- Why does the card script run when clicking the button that contains the script: on mouseUp end mouseUp It is as if the button has 'pass mouseUp' implied. Now add any character to the button script, such as a space, click apply, and no message is passed (but the script is the same) Not a show-stopper, but fooled me when using a transparent button to block mouse clicks. Perhaps this is already bugzilla'd, or is expected behavior. Jim Ault Las Vegas The button *does* pass mouseUp because it contains *no script* at all! The on mouseUp handler is added for your convenience, but if you don't edit the script in anyway, it is deleted when the editor window is closed -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html -Dr. John R. Vokey ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [X-POST] Share your recipes!
Bill- Tuesday, November 28, 2006, 12:38:35 PM, you wrote: 2868 - Saving with control-S has problems Interesting... I wasn't aware that 2868 was awaiting more of a recipe. Or that it was one that couldn't be reproduced. That's certainly not what the description says - the last comment says confirmed. I put forth that there's something wrong with the bug process if I, as the instigator of this bug report, am not asked for further clarification if that's what's necessary to move forward. Is that why this one has been sitting around for a year and a half? I'd expect to have a comment attached to this effect, or a status of can't reproduce or something. It's got a recipe, but I'll add another comment and make it more explicit. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution and the Web, feedback wanted, Part 1 of 3So
Isn't that what altBrowser does? On 11/28/06, Jerry Muelver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about building an interface to make web things run in Revolution? In other words, don't map group to DIV to make Rev scripts run on the web, but map DIV to group to make web scripts run in Rev. I think if you gave me HTMLtext that could handle hyperlinks, UL and OL, TABLE, text wraparound IMG placement, HTML forms components, and by-paragraph font styling (CSS-sensitive DIVs), the job would be done. In fact, with the advent of an embedded browser in Rev 2.7.5, it seems to me the job IS done! ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: unexpected behavior 'on mouseup'
On 11/28/06 7:01 PM, John Vokey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The button *does* pass mouseUp because it contains *no script* at all! The on mouseUp handler is added for your convenience, but if you don't edit the script in anyway, it is deleted when the editor window is closed You are correct, but how would I have a way of knowing that? Every time I open the script editor, it will show the default mouseup handler and the apply button is dim? I did try put the script of button 1 in the message box to confirm that the script is empty. It is like closing the refrigerator door with the light on. Jim Ault Las Vegas Jim wrote: Do four simple steps: [1] Make a new mainstack [2] set the card script to on mouseUp put the long id of the target the seconds end mouseUp [3] Make a new button [4] Choose Browse mode --- Why does the card script run when clicking the button that contains the script: on mouseUp end mouseUp It is as if the button has 'pass mouseUp' implied. Now add any character to the button script, such as a space, click apply, and no message is passed (but the script is the same) Not a show-stopper, but fooled me when using a transparent button to block mouse clicks. Perhaps this is already bugzilla'd, or is expected behavior. Jim Ault Las Vegas ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution and the Web, feedback wanted, Part 1 of 3
Let me answer a couple of questions that have come up: 1) On Morfik, since I brought it up: Morfik is definitely different. It took me a little while to get my brain wrapped around why it made sense, but it does to me now, so here goes (straight from http://prerelease.labs.morfik.com) The Express edition is for people who aren't building commercial apps (individuals, students, etc.). There are two Professional editions: The free for startups version is just that. The straight Pro edition is LIST PRICE $5,000, however they are accepting new applications to the Pioneers program and preorders at a big discount (65%?) until...sometime. The per-seat price includes everything. You buy the Professional edition, you get a perpetual license, and you can build and deploy as many systems, servers, etc. as you like without paying anything more. It includes the application server, database server, and web server along with the rest of it. I believe they are trying to compete with M$, so they intentionally gave away the deployments to attract corporate and professional developers. So, in more ways than one it is different. The packaging is different, the pricing is different. 2) On AJAX/FJAX: If you've used Gmail or Google Maps you will immediately recognize that there is a significant difference between AJAX apps and your run-of-the-mill web apps. Speed. Smoothness. Shortcuts. You can't get the same feel from straight XHTML. The XML portion is a way to speed the information transfer process. Instead of reloading the web page every time you pull up a new record, only the changed data can be transferred, which means significant speed savings, and no flashing blinking screen when your browser reloads the page just to display the data from another record...err card. In addition, the opening A in AJAX stands for Asynchronous, which means that your application can and does cache data, so that it is already in your browser waiting for you when you do something. -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, This is good. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution and the Web, feedback wanted, Part 1 of 3
I think Apple still doesn't get it. Unfortunately Apple never seemed to understand the impact HC had out in the real world. Giving away XCode is nice, but it doesn't bring anybody new into the family. HC, like Apple II Basic, was a development tool that people could understand, could use, and could be productive in. Since it was given away (for a while, anyway), it spread like crazy and people went nuts for it. My great hope is that at some point Apple comes to its senses and, in an effort to make up for lost time, buys RR, fixes it, and makes us whole again. Of course I also hope that someone resurrects Lotus Symphony from the ashes, that Claris Emailer comes back, and that Aldus Persuasion finds its way back, too. -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, This is good. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [X-POST] Share your recipes!
I'm sure it's just a matter of looking for all the cases where it might occur, not necessarily a defect with the report. Having said that there are a large number of bugs and managing them well is turning out to be another task to master in the beta process. Mark Wieder writes: I'd expect to have a comment attached to this effect, or a status of can't reproduce or something. It's got a recipe, but I'll add another comment and make it more explicit. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
