Re: Revolution 2.8.1: a 240+ bug fixes/improvements! What about the remaining 1879?
On May 17, 2007, at 9:19 PM, Björnke von Gierke wrote: Of course with such small numbers, one can not really draw a conclusive decision, I think the answer to how successful this release and any other release is will be very subjective. I don't think it is reasonable to expect the bug count to change by a given percentage. I was one of the people that gave this release rave reviews simply because I can see and feel the difference from this version and my previous reliable 2.7.4. I still have bugs that are over 2 years old that have not been fixed. I have bugs that were only days old that did get fixed. In my very subjective measure, 2.8.1 is a huge step forward when I look at the projects I am working on and how they perform. Everyone's mileage will vary when it comes to gaging how significant a given release is. If I am able to produce the commercial projects I am working on then all is good from my perspective. Mark Talluto -- CANELA Software http://www.canelasoftware.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Vista and Mac Universal backward compatibility
Sorry if this has been discussed already. I've been off the list for a while...doing my day job...blah. Will apps built with Rev 2.6 be useable with the new operating systems by Mirosoft and Apple? I'm assuming they will be! Many thanks, tm ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Vista and Mac Universal backward compatibility
Sorry if this has been discussed already. I've been off the list for a while...doing my day job...blah. Will apps built with Rev 2.6 be useable with the new operating systems by Mirosoft and Apple? As far as Mac goes, I think Rev 2.7 was the first version to be able to build Universal binaries i.e. standalones that run natively on both PowerPC Intel Macs. At the moment, PowerPC apps will run on Intel Macs using Rosetta emulation, but who knows how long Apple will keep that going. For Vista, I think 2.8.0 was the version which introduced Vista-compatibility. Standalones built with earlier versions may work without looking quite right. Hopefully someone more knowledgeable than me about Windows can chime in here. HTH, Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Vista and Mac Universal backward compatibility
From: Thomas McCarthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Will apps built with Rev 2.6 be useable with the new operating systems by Mirosoft and Apple? 2.6.1 does run on Vista (and so do standalones) however the window painting isn't fully implemented AFAICT so the support won't be everything that is possible on Vista. However - it would seem to me that some Rev functions like copying files and folders (as an example) check the Windows version in order to carry out the shell command. I've not tested these but they do return the OS version and the highest in 2.6.1 is going to be version 5 (XP) so I'm not sure what would happen when version 6 (Vista) is returned. Something worth checking on I should think. Scott ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution 2.8.1: a 240+ bug fixes/improvements! What about the remaining 1879?
Completely agree with you, Mark! As a relatively new user of Revolution 2 years (with a few software projects completed during this time which would not be possible without Rev) I was also extremely satisfied to see Altuit products eventually integrated into the IDE. Now it is not anymore a buy-in-pieces-puzzle that was very frustrating for me as a newcomer to Rev at that time. I see this as a major quality and end users experience improvement for any newcomer ! Meanwhile I would like to attract few votes for bug 4677, or now it is confirmed and marked as a duplicate of 441 which is partially solved for some languages, but not for mine :-) The problem is that characters outside of the standard Western European character set are not being translated correctly during keyboard entry, therefore I can't do projects in my native and a few other national languages... And bug 3992 - it is confirmed, and is still in the latest release candidate of open beta. If briefly - property inspector loads file contents into wrong unrelated text fields replacing their contents and thus damaging data. If you are new to the IDE you may get deeply depressed after seeing this ;-), later you learn and get used to put url file:etc into field etc and forget that the problem is there. Nevertheless I think it is important. I have also voted for bug 2498. It causes situation where 2 tabbed buttons put on same card do interfere with each other on mouseover event. Not a big tragedy but looks messy (e.g. in a spreadsheet which is a part of a larger application with tabbed buttons)... All the best! Viktoras ---Original Message--- From: Mark Talluto Date: 18/05/2007 09:26:11 To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Revolution 2.8.1: a 240+ bug fixes/improvements! What about the remaining 1879? On May 17, 2007, at 9:19 PM, Bjrnke von Gierke wrote: Of course with such small numbers, one can not really draw a conclusive decision, I think the answer to how successful this release and any other release is will be very subjective. I don't think it is reasonable to expect the bug count to change by a given percentage. I was one of the people that gave this release rave reviews simply because I can see and feel the difference from this version and my previous reliable 2.7.4. I still have bugs that are over 2 years old that have not been fixed. I have bugs that were only days old that did get fixed. In my very subjective measure, 2.8.1 is a huge step forward when I look at the projects I am working on and how they perform. Everyone's mileage will vary when it comes to gaging how significant a given release is. If I am able to produce the commercial projects I am working on then all is good from my perspective. Mark Talluto -- CANELA Software http://www.canelasoftware.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
New date stuff: am I doing something wrong?
I have been testing/working with the new date fixes in 2.8.1 and have a problem with english dates - which I cannot convert properly: put 20/4/02 into testDate -- convert testDate from english date to dateItems convert testDate from short english date to dateItems put testDate put 20/4/02 into testDate -- convert testDate from system date to dateItems convert testDate from short english date to dateItems put testDate put 6/4/02 into testDate -- convert testDate from english date to dateItems convert testDate from short english date to dateItems put testDate put 6/4/02 into testDate convert testDate from english date to seconds convert testDate to dateItems put testDate break Is this a bug I should file? Either way how can convert the english dates back - do I have to manually change the order of the items myself in a script? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Externals databasse
Am 18.05.2007 um 00:48 schrieb Hershel Fisch: Hi all, I'm wondering why since version 2.8 the only way I could connect to a database in a standalone (postgres in my case) is by manually coping the standalone database library from version 2.7 into the database external folder of the standalone application. Hmmm, maybe because the standalone builder did not copy these externals to your standalone? :-) This has been fixed for 2.8.1. Thank you, Hershel Best Klaus Major [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.major-k.de ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
2.8.1: a necessary corrective.
Joel wrote a long, and fairly sesquedepelian, disquisition on Bugs that were not fixed in 2.8.1. On my lap just now I have: Modern Systems Analysis And Designs by Hoffer, George and Valacich - Prentice Hall, 2002 - ISBN 0-13-042363-7 This (extremely boring and tedious) book goes to great lengths to explain that: 1. perfection is an illusion. 2. aim for 60% and then be happy when you get 80%. 3. Systems Development is a long, tedious and iterative business. (fairly good summary of whole book in three bullet points). This makes me think of F. Waismann (friend of Ludwig Wittgenstein) who never wrote a book - when he died somebody found a set of shoeboxes under his bed full of record cards - from which they were able to assemble 2 brilliant, mind-blowing books. Now, we could wait for 25-40 years while RunRev produce the App to blow away all other apps . . . but I will be a doddering old f**t of 85 by then [there is, of course, the theory that I am already a doddering old f**t :) ]. Some of us would rather support a very good 'work-in-progress' than wait for the great day. So Joel's long 'thing' about bugs is, to my mind, rather naive and silly. I have been using Runtime Revolution for about 5-6 years - and have just had a look at RR 1.1.1 (lurking on a hard drive somewhere) and realised just how far the 'beast' has come. Hey, why not dig out Hypercard and play with that? RunRev should be 'nudged' continually about the bugs; then in the next iteration a few more bugs will have been ironed out - AND, inevitably, more bugs will crop up as the feature set in expanded. I have had a lot of fun bashing the betas. Played with a demo version of another RAD the other day: it didn't have an bugs - the whole bl**dy thing was a giant cockroach, and I spent 6 hours rescuing my system after it had strutted its extremely funky stuff. sincerely, Richmond Mathewson A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development Life Cycle. ___ All New Yahoo! Mail Tired of unwanted email come-ons? Let our SpamGuard protect you. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
2.8.1: a necessary corrective.
Dave wrote: It's not that there are bugs, it's that the same bugs remain there release after release while new features were added (with their own set of new bugs, so the list got bigger) and we were expectws to pay for new versions over and over again with all the old problems still there! I still use a 4 year-old computer (G4 dual-processor) for two very simple reasons:- 1. I don't have much money. 2. The Intel Macs look buggy just at the moment. I still use DreamCard 2.6.1 for much the same reason. When Runtime Revolution produce a version of RR that looks significantly more stable than 2.8.1 does I shall scrape together the cash. Nobody is expecting me to pay for anything - it is entirely up to me. Why you imagine Runtime Revolution expect you to pay beats me: undoubtedly they would like you to pay to support their R D - but whether you decide to or not is up to you. As I am strapped for cash, but see Runtime Revolutionas an extremely good RAD I am supporting them by Beta testing. However nobody from Runtime Revolution has ever expected anything from me . . . Err, Well . . . for a while they expected me to keep my big, fat mouth shut - but I didn't :) I would suppose that you, Dave, are a big boy and as such nobody should be pushing you around - least of all that awful R*nt*m* R*v*l*t**n company with their constant demands for money :) Lighten Up! Love, Richmond A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development Life Cycle. ___ Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it now. http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Build for Classic
I see that 2.8.1 does not have a build for the Classic Mac platform at this time. My recollection was that 2.7.4 promised it would be available when 2.8 was released. Maybe promised is too strong. Indicated, perhaps? Can we believe that it will definitely be part of the 2.9 release? Joe Wilkins ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Read File at 2GB Problem
In the context of computers, isn't it more normal for Giga to indicate Kilo * Mega? Best, Mark On 18 May 2007, at 10:11, Dave wrote: constant GIGA=MEGA * MEGA ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution 2.8.1: a 240+ bug fixes/improvements! What about the remaining 1879?
On 18 May 2007, at 05:30, Chipp Walters wrote: Heck, I wrote that demo and even I can't figure out what this guy is saying! Surely that's where two way communication comes in handy? Cheers, Luis. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: New date stuff: am I doing something wrong?
David, are you sure you've understood what english denotes in Revolution? From the docs: english Used with the date and time functions to specify a date or time in the format used in the United States. So 20/4/02 is not an english date Best, Mark On 18 May 2007, at 09:17, David Bovill wrote: I have been testing/working with the new date fixes in 2.8.1 and have a problem with english dates - which I cannot convert properly: put 20/4/02 into testDate -- convert testDate from english date to dateItems convert testDate from short english date to dateItems put testDate put 20/4/02 into testDate -- convert testDate from system date to dateItems convert testDate from short english date to dateItems put testDate put 6/4/02 into testDate -- convert testDate from english date to dateItems convert testDate from short english date to dateItems put testDate put 6/4/02 into testDate convert testDate from english date to seconds convert testDate to dateItems put testDate break Is this a bug I should file? Either way how can convert the english dates back - do I have to manually change the order of the items myself in a script? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Read File at 2GB Problem
Hi, We are talking about a Disk Address not a RAM address. I just want to read a small amount of data (say 100 bytes) from *anywhere* in a file. For instance: read from file myFile at 2147483647 for 100 works, but read from file myFile at 2147483648 for 100 doesn't! (I haven't test this but I am assuming that this won't work. I can't test it today because I don't have access to the files). To work stuff like this out, I usually go back to basics: constant KILO=1024 constant MEGA=KILO * KILO constant GIGA=MEGA * MEGA 32 Bits is 4 * GIGA which Unsigned allows numbers between 0 and 4,294,967,295 and signed allows number between -2147483648 and + 2147483647. The capacity of 16 Bits is 65536 The capacity of 32 Bits is 4,294,967,296 (65536 * 65536) The capacity of 64 Bits is 18,446,744,073,709,600,000 (4,294,967,296 * 4,294,967,296) So the number of Gigabytes in 64 Bits is (4,294,967,296 * 4,294,967,296) / GIGA All the Best Dave On 17 May 2007, at 19:44, J. Landman Gay wrote: Dave wrote: Hi, That's what I'm doing, but it's *way* too slow and crashes if you read too much data. I've got a 60+ GB file and need to read at random positions in the file. Moving from somewhere near the start to somewhere near the end takes minutes! The ironic thing is that the data I want to read when I get there is quite small! There is a limit to the total addressable RAM space that Rev can use. It's 4 gigs on 32-bit systems, and 16P on 64-bit systems. I believe that Rev works with 64-bit systems (for two reasons: they said it would, and it is documented) so it may be that you are reaching one of the limits. However, my brain cannot process how large 16P is so I'm not sure. What's that in gigs? -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: 2.8.1: a necessary corrective.
Hi, It's not that there are bugs, it's that the same bugs remain there release after release while new features were added (with their own set of new bugs, so the list got bigger) and we were expectws to pay for new versions over and over again with all the old problems still there! All the Best Dave On 18 May 2007, at 09:42, Richmond Mathewson wrote: Joel wrote a long, and fairly sesquedepelian, disquisition on Bugs that were not fixed in 2.8.1. On my lap just now I have: Modern Systems Analysis And Designs by Hoffer, George and Valacich - Prentice Hall, 2002 - ISBN 0-13-042363-7 This (extremely boring and tedious) book goes to great lengths to explain that: 1. perfection is an illusion. 2. aim for 60% and then be happy when you get 80%. 3. Systems Development is a long, tedious and iterative business. (fairly good summary of whole book in three bullet points). This makes me think of F. Waismann (friend of Ludwig Wittgenstein) who never wrote a book - when he died somebody found a set of shoeboxes under his bed full of record cards - from which they were able to assemble 2 brilliant, mind-blowing books. Now, we could wait for 25-40 years while RunRev produce the App to blow away all other apps . . . but I will be a doddering old f**t of 85 by then [there is, of course, the theory that I am already a doddering old f**t :) ]. Some of us would rather support a very good 'work-in-progress' than wait for the great day. So Joel's long 'thing' about bugs is, to my mind, rather naive and silly. I have been using Runtime Revolution for about 5-6 years - and have just had a look at RR 1.1.1 (lurking on a hard drive somewhere) and realised just how far the 'beast' has come. Hey, why not dig out Hypercard and play with that? RunRev should be 'nudged' continually about the bugs; then in the next iteration a few more bugs will have been ironed out - AND, inevitably, more bugs will crop up as the feature set in expanded. I have had a lot of fun bashing the betas. Played with a demo version of another RAD the other day: it didn't have an bugs - the whole bl**dy thing was a giant cockroach, and I spent 6 hours rescuing my system after it had strutted its extremely funky stuff. sincerely, Richmond Mathewson A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development Life Cycle. ___ All New Yahoo! Mail – Tired of unwanted email come-ons? Let our SpamGuard protect you. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: 2.8.1: a necessary corrective.
Hi, Nobody is expecting me to pay for anything - it is entirely up to me. Why you imagine Runtime Revolution expect you to pay beats me: undoubtedly they would like you to pay to support their R D - but whether you decide to or not is up to you. Perhaps I could have used a better word then expecting. What I meant was that I was told that the new version would be *so* much better, I fell for this a few times before I wised up! I now don't believe the hype and therefore I don't automatically get the latest update. A lot of other people felt the same way which is why they have embarked on the Beta program and will issue a free bug fix release. Which is a good thing and the least they could do! When Runtime Revolution produce a version of RR that looks significantly more stable than 2.8.1 does I shall scrape together the cash. I agree, but I get it free anyway since we bought a version of 2.7.x Well . . . for a while they expected me to keep my big, fat mouth shut - but I didn't :) Good for you! I would suppose that you, Dave, are a big boy and as such nobody should be pushing you around - least of all that awful R*nt*m* R*v*l*t**n company with their constant demands for money :) Lighten Up! God knows what that's all about! I'm as light as a light thing in a very light place! All I want is a version whereby is doesn't look like it's been thrown together by a bunch of second rate hackers working out of a garage! I have been using Intel Macs for quite a while now and they are very stable, more so than the PowerPC when it first took over from the 68K. Take Care and Have a Great Weekend All the Best Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Umlaute in revmail - OSX, mail.app
Hello list, 1) if p = schoen, the following statement will work: revmail [EMAIL PROTECTED],,p,textbody will work; if p = schön (german umlaut for oe), no new mail appears. 2) if p = test and ttext = hello, dear friends, revmail [EMAIL PROTECTED],,p,ttext works, if ttext = hällo, liebe Freunde!, there appears a new Window without textbody. May you help? (OS X 10.4.9, apple mail.app, Rev 2.8.1, also 2.7.4) Thank you! Richard.___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: 2.8.1: a necessary corrective.
Reminds me of the saying There's never enough time to do it right, but always time to do it over. Andy RR 2.5.1 - Original Message - Dave wrote: It's not that there are bugs, it's that the same bugs remain there release after release while new features were added (with their own set of new bugs, so the list got bigger) and we were expectws to pay for new versions over and over again with all the old problems still there! Love, Richmond ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
installer for app?
I just completed my first rev app and would like to thank all from this list for the help. I am looking for a program to create an installer of the new app what are your recommendations? Thanks Rob ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Browser Sampler: Crashing on 2.8.1 in the IDE
Hiya, Rummaging through the examples in a fresh install of 2.8.1 (Build 470) I had a go at Browser Sampler in the IDE: Went to the runrev.com site ok. Went to bb.co.uk and then blammo! Crash. Anyone seen this? I'm on OS X 10.4.9 Cheers, Luis. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Externals databasse
Hiya, Did you do a fresh install or an update from the 'Help/Check for Updates' menu? I noticed some of the folders got re-jigged. Cheers, Luis. On 17 May 2007, at 23:48, Hershel Fisch wrote: Hi all, I'm wondering why since version 2.8 the only way I could connect to a database in a standalone (postgres in my case) is by manually coping the standalone database library from version 2.7 into the database external folder of the standalone application. Thank you, Hershel ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Quitting standalone, is this a bug?
Hi Jacqueline, you wrote: It might all come clear if you take a look at the dictionary entries for topstack and defaultstack. I have spent the night trying out your syntax and rereading the dictionary. First of all let me say that your approach: put the id of this card of stack myApp into thisCd does work and I think it is a better approach than my the recentcards approach. Thanks for the big help. Having reread the dictionary, however, I am more convinced than ever your approach is a workaround to a bug. Let me explain: Look up this in the dictionary: Use the this keyword to indicate the current card or current stack in an expression Look up current stack in the dictionary: The stack that's being worked on, usually the active window. The current stack is specified by the defaultStack property. Also, the stack that contains the object whose script is currently executing. Look up defaultstack in the dictionary: Revolution's message box and editing palettes set the defaultStack property to the value returned by the topStack function before performing a stack action. Look up topstack in the dictionary: The topStack is the frontmost stack with the lowest mode. By all of these definitions, in the simple example of myApp (from my original post), this stack should have evaluated to myApp. At the time the quit command was issued myApp was the topstack. Even if rev puts up a dialog box, its mode would not be lower than myApp, would it? Therefore, myApp should have remained the topstack after the quit command was issued. If myApp is the topstack, then myApp is the defaultstack. If myApp is the defaultstack, then myApp is the current stack. The dictionary (quoted above) also says that the current stack is the stack that contains the object whose script is currently executing. It was myApp's script that referred to myApp as this stack. Thus: this stack should evaluate to myApp. As I mentioned in a previous post, this stack evaluates differently in the development and standalone environments. In the standalone environment this stack evaluates one way after the first Quit request and a different way after the second and subsequent Quit requests. How could that not be a bug? --Michael Binder (with bleary eyes) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: New date stuff: am I doing something wrong?
Ah - so that definitely is a bug :) Should be american date no? So there is no way of taking a date in english - lets say Scottish format and converting it as we cannot assume the user settings... ok so I guess I have to script it. Funny I thought those yanks would of objected to being called english :) On 18/05/07, Mark Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David, are you sure you've understood what english denotes in Revolution? From the docs: english Used with the date and time functions to specify a date or time in the format used in the United States. So 20/4/02 is not an english date Best, Mark On 18 May 2007, at 09:17, David Bovill wrote: I have been testing/working with the new date fixes in 2.8.1 and have a problem with english dates - which I cannot convert properly: put 20/4/02 into testDate -- convert testDate from english date to dateItems convert testDate from short english date to dateItems put testDate put 20/4/02 into testDate -- convert testDate from system date to dateItems convert testDate from short english date to dateItems put testDate put 6/4/02 into testDate -- convert testDate from english date to dateItems convert testDate from short english date to dateItems put testDate put 6/4/02 into testDate convert testDate from english date to seconds convert testDate to dateItems put testDate break Is this a bug I should file? Either way how can convert the english dates back - do I have to manually change the order of the items myself in a script? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: installer for app?
From: Robert Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] I just completed my first rev app and would like to thank all from this list for the help. Congratulations!! I am looking for a program to create an installer of the new app what are your recommendations? That depends on your intended platform. If Windows only then INNO Setup is perfect http://www.jrsoftware.org/isinfo.php It's donation-ware and is 100% Vista friendly as well. However if you're looking at Mac and Windows then: http://downloads.runrev.com/stacks_apps/installgadget.phpmight be the ticket. There are manual ways of doing it but IMHO these are by far the easiest (and cheapest) options. Scott Kane Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C Clarke ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Browser Sampler: Crashing on 2.8.1 in the IDE
Hi, Le 18 mai 07 à 12:45, Luis a écrit : Hiya, Rummaging through the examples in a fresh install of 2.8.1 (Build 470) I had a go at Browser Sampler in the IDE: Went to the runrev.com site ok. Went to bb.co.uk and then blammo! Crash. Anyone seen this? I'm on OS X 10.4.9 Yep ! Same for me... big crash :-( Regards, Thierry Cheers, Luis. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: New date stuff: am I doing something wrong?
Ah - so that definitely is a bug :) Should be american date no? So there is no way of taking a date in english - lets say Scottish format and converting it as we cannot assume the user settings... ok so I guess I have to script it. Funny I thought those yanks would of objected to being called english :) The English date should be exactly the same regardless what the current system format is, so you can rely on it being always mm/dd/yy. May be if people finally start commonly referring to English spoken in the US as American, the Rev keywords will be adjusted accordingly. Robert ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Browser Sampler: Crashing on 2.8.1 in the IDE
Hiya, Thanks for that. I've reported it: Bug 4991. Cheers, Luis. On 18 May 2007, at 11:49, 00bioarchimed wrote: Hi, Le 18 mai 07 à 12:45, Luis a écrit : Hiya, Rummaging through the examples in a fresh install of 2.8.1 (Build 470) I had a go at Browser Sampler in the IDE: Went to the runrev.com site ok. Went to bb.co.uk and then blammo! Crash. Anyone seen this? I'm on OS X 10.4.9 Yep ! Same for me... big crash :-( Regards, Thierry Cheers, Luis. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Umlaute in revmail - OSX, mail.app
Hello, That's bug # 3410 opened on 006-03-21 with a normal severity... Perhaps will it be fixed it in the next version... Regards, ÉrIC Le 18 mai 07 à 12:09, R.Hillen a écrit : Hello list, 1) if p = schoen, the following statement will work: revmail [EMAIL PROTECTED],,p,textbody will work; if p = schön (german umlaut for oe), no new mail appears. 2) if p = test and ttext = hello, dear friends, revmail [EMAIL PROTECTED],,p,ttext works, if ttext = hällo, liebe Freunde!, there appears a new Window without textbody. May you help? (OS X 10.4.9, apple mail.app, Rev 2.8.1, also 2.7.4) Thank you! Richard.___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- My NeXT computer will Be a Mac too! -- ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: New date stuff: am I doing something wrong?
We call that sort of English the gringo English here but that is probably also incorrect as I think the first use of gringo was for British soldiers. But convert dateitems to the gringo date would be cool. On 5/18/07 7:39 AM, Robert Brenstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah - so that definitely is a bug :) Should be american date no? So there is no way of taking a date in english - lets say Scottish format and converting it as we cannot assume the user settings... ok so I guess I have to script it. Funny I thought those yanks would of objected to being called english :) The English date should be exactly the same regardless what the current system format is, so you can rely on it being always mm/dd/yy. May be if people finally start commonly referring to English spoken in the US as American, the Rev keywords will be adjusted accordingly. Robert ___ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Error in docs about file creation date
The docs contain the following information about the detailed files: The detailed files form returns a list of files, one file per line. Each line contains the following attributes, separated by commas: * The file's name, URL-encoded * The file's size in bytes (on Mac OS and OS X systems, the size of the file's data fork) * The resource fork size in bytes (Mac OS and OS X systems only) * The file's creation date in seconds (Mac OS, OS X, and Windows systems only) * The file's modification date in seconds etc. While trying to add the creation date to the filename in a thumbs application I noticed that the creation date is actually item 5 of the detailed files rather than item 4, number 4 really containing the modification date. Since the detailed files was introduced in Rev version 1.0 and modified in 1.1 nobody seems to have made use of the creation date over the last years? -- Wilhelm Sanke ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: 2.8.1: a necessary corrective.
Dear Richmond, Thank you for illuminating my rather harassed Friday with laughter. On 18 May 2007, at 10:35, Richmond Mathewson wrote: As I am strapped for cash, but see Runtime Revolutionas an extremely good RAD I am supporting them by Beta testing. However nobody from Runtime Revolution has ever expected anything from me . . . Err, Well . . . for a while they expected me to keep my big, fat mouth shut - but I didn't :) We never had such an unrealistic expectation of you... Played with a demo version of another RAD the other day: it didn't have an bugs - the whole bl**dy thing was a giant cockroach, and I spent 6 hours rescuing my system after it had strutted its extremely funky stuff. I have such a wonderful image created by that description. Richmond, we may have had our differences, but you enrich our community, stick around. Warm Regards, Heather Heather Nagey Customer Services Manager Runtime Revolution Ltd http://www.runrev.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Are any possible commands on data in a field also possible in a variable ?
Hi, I have a handler that transforms a table1 (that is placed in a variable) in another one, say table2 (that has to be placed in a field) My aim is to convey the data of table1 into table2, but displayed in another order. The handler that transforms table1 into table2 involves (mainly) 2 types of commands : - a number of « put such item of such line of table1 into such item of such line of table2 - and, a « find such item in table2 » (all that in several repeat loops). My handler works well when I use a field as a container for table2 when conveying data from table1 to table2. But it is quite time consuming. So, in order to gain millisecs (in fact seconds !), I tried to work with a variable as a container in which to install the data coming from table1 before to, at the end, put this variable into the field (that should be the final product of the handler). In my handler, I only replace « fld « thisfld » with a variable « thisVar » ; nothing else. But when I do so, my handler does not works properly. I hope I am not too unclear ! ? My question is : are there commands that work on data in a field but not on data in a variable ? Specifically, does « find » works in a variable as well as in a field ? Am I missing something evident ? Thanks a lot in advance Best regards from Grenoble André ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Are any possible commands on data in a field also possible in a variable ?
Bonjour André, Le 18 mai 07 à 15:59, André.Bisseret a écrit : Hi, I have a handler that transforms a table1 (that is placed in a variable) in another one, say table2 (that has to be placed in a field) My aim is to convey the data of table1 into table2, but displayed in another order. The handler that transforms table1 into table2 involves (mainly) 2 types of commands : - a number of « put such item of such line of table1 into such item of such line of table2 - and, a « find such item in table2 » (all that in several repeat loops). My handler works well when I use a field as a container for table2 when conveying data from table1 to table2. But it is quite time consuming. So, in order to gain millisecs (in fact seconds !), I tried to work with a variable as a container in which to install the data coming from table1 before to, at the end, put this variable into the field (that should be the final product of the handler). In my handler, I only replace « fld « thisfld » with a variable « thisVar » ; nothing else. But when I do so, my handler does not works properly. I hope I am not too unclear ! ? My question is : are there commands that work on data in a field but not on data in a variable ? Specifically, does « find » works in a variable as well as in a field ? Am I missing something evident ? Thanks a lot in advance Best regards from Grenoble André In variables, Put will work as you expect it but Find will not: Use instead, combined with wholeMatches and caseSensitive if needed, itemOffset and/or lineOffset: 'find such item in table2' will become something like 'put some value into item itemOffset( such item,table2 var) of table2 var' When all calculation will be done, just 'put table2 var into fld Table2 BTW working with variables is much faster because, mainly, the screen is refreshed only once :-) Best regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Are any possible commands on data in a field also possible in a variable ?
Hi André, BTW working with variables is much faster because, mainly, the screen is refreshed only once :-) As for this point, what about an invisible field (getting visible only when all is done) ? does this remain slower than with a variable ? Good practice could be: 1. If you can, always use variables: local tData - put field Data into tData data processing put tData into field Data 2. If using variables does not appear possible, always think of locking and unlocking the screen appropriately: lock screen repeat 100 CreateNewField -- custom handler end repeat unlock screen Best regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Build for Classic
Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: I see that 2.8.1 does not have a build for the Classic Mac platform at this time. My recollection was that 2.7.4 promised it would be available when 2.8 was released. It might be helpful for RunRev to have some quantification of the projected audience size. Do you have a feel for how many of your customers are still running OS 9? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Are any possible commands on data in a field also possible in a variable ?
Le 18 mai 07 à 16:18, Eric Chatonet a écrit : Bonjour André, Le 18 mai 07 à 15:59, André.Bisseret a écrit : My question is : are there commands that work on data in a field but not on data in a variable ? Specifically, does « find » works in a variable as well as in a field ? Am I missing something evident ? Thanks a lot in advance Best regards from Grenoble André In variables, Put will work as you expect it but Find will not: Use instead, combined with wholeMatches and caseSensitive if needed, itemOffset and/or lineOffset: 'find such item in table2' will become something like 'put some value into item itemOffset( such item,table2 var) of table2 var' When all calculation will be done, just 'put table2 var into fld Table2 Bonjour Éric et merci beaucoup for your quick answer :-) I am going to apply your advice. BTW working with variables is much faster because, mainly, the screen is refreshed only once :-) As for this point, what about an invisible field (getting visible only when all is done) ? does this remain slower than with a variable ? Bonne soirée André ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Are any possible commands on data in a field also possible in a variable ?
Ok, thanks a lot Éric for this good practice advices that I was not applying enough up to now. I think it is the first time I have a handler that takes so much time (several seconds !) Cordiales salutations de Grenoble André Le 18 mai 07 à 16:53, Eric Chatonet a écrit : Hi André, BTW working with variables is much faster because, mainly, the screen is refreshed only once :-) As for this point, what about an invisible field (getting visible only when all is done) ? does this remain slower than with a variable ? Good practice could be: 1. If you can, always use variables: local tData - put field Data into tData data processing put tData into field Data 2. If using variables does not appear possible, always think of locking and unlocking the screen appropriately: lock screen repeat 100 CreateNewField -- custom handler end repeat unlock screen Best regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: installer for app?
On May 18, 2007, at 5:05 AM, Scott Kane wrote: From: Robert Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] I just completed my first rev app and would like to thank all from this list for the help. Congratulations!! I am looking for a program to create an installer of the new app what are your recommendations? That depends on your intended platform. If Windows only then INNO Setup is perfect http://www.jrsoftware.org/isinfo.php It's donation-ware and is 100% Vista friendly as well. I second that! Even I, a relative Windows novice, am able to use it. However if you're looking at Mac and Windows then: http://downloads.runrev.com/stacks_apps/installgadget.phpmight be the ticket. Another good option is to simply create a .dmg disk image file using the Disk Utility included with OS X. Mac users are very comfortable with simply downloading a dmg, mounting it, and then dragging the app to the desired directory, usually /Applications. Devin Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution 2.8.1: a 240+ bug fixes/improvements! What about the remaining 1879?
On May 17, 2007, at 11:36 PM, Bill Marriott wrote: - Even when version 2.9 is released, it will still have bugs. Every product more complex than a coffee mug has bugs. Ahem! I beg to differ: groan http://www.collectorsconnection.com/imagesh1/39a308.jpg /groan Devin Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Browser Sampler: Crashing on 2.8.1 in the IDE
On May 18, 2007, at 4:45 AM, Luis wrote: Hiya, Rummaging through the examples in a fresh install of 2.8.1 (Build 470) I had a go at Browser Sampler in the IDE: Went to the runrev.com site ok. Went to bb.co.uk and then blammo! Crash. Anyone seen this? Luis, Sorry, I couldn't find a site bb.co.uk. Did you mean bbc.co.uk maybe? If so, it loads perfectly for me here, 2.8.1 build 470, OS X 10.4.9, intel. Now, there are a few other bugs I notice with the browser, for which I'm starting a list. I'll post a bug report when I have the recipes nailed down. devin Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Browser Sampler: Crashing on 2.8.1 in the IDE
Ooopsy, did mean bbc.co.uk Cheers, Luis. On 18 May 2007, at 16:37, Devin Asay wrote: On May 18, 2007, at 4:45 AM, Luis wrote: Hiya, Rummaging through the examples in a fresh install of 2.8.1 (Build 470) I had a go at Browser Sampler in the IDE: Went to the runrev.com site ok. Went to bb.co.uk and then blammo! Crash. Anyone seen this? Luis, Sorry, I couldn't find a site bb.co.uk. Did you mean bbc.co.uk maybe? If so, it loads perfectly for me here, 2.8.1 build 470, OS X 10.4.9, intel. Now, there are a few other bugs I notice with the browser, for which I'm starting a list. I'll post a bug report when I have the recipes nailed down. devin Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution 2.8.1: a 240+ bug fixes/improvements! What about the remaining 1879?
I understand what you're saying, but my statement was concerned with the fact that it was your demo: Not knowing what the demo was I opted for the general view that this was reported by a standard user, who is often naive, which I judged from the 'bug report'. Most naive users do not understand the 'bug reporting process' and many do not want to be educated because they see no benefit to it: They just want to play the game (or whatever the app is). Cheers, Luis. On 18 May 2007, at 16:45, Chipp Walters wrote: On 5/18/07, Luis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 18 May 2007, at 05:30, Chipp Walters wrote: Heck, I wrote that demo and even I can't figure out what this guy is saying! Surely that's where two way communication comes in handy? With Rev having hundreds of bugs to go through, anyone serious about getting their bug fixed would be wise to create: 1) a clear explanation of the bug 2) a recipe for replcating it 3) if possible, a demo stack showing it Furthermore, those who wish their bugs fixed can also do a bit of research by contacting other developers here to confirm the bug before posting it. Typically, when I discover a bug in Rev, I try first to break it down into it's simplest components and try and create the most straightforward and basic recipe for repeating it. Then I create a simple bug demo stack, post it online and ask others to verify it. Once verified, I then post the bug, with the stack, to bugzilla. I have found this methodology has enabled most all of my reported bugs to be fixed in a very timely matter. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Build for Classic
Pretty hard to tell, Richard; of course there is me - for testing at least (smile). As for the rest it could be huge or it could be zero, in-so-far as this will be a test app for the whole concept. It's been very slow coming together, but the publisher would like it to have as large a market as possible; and, since it is targeted as mostly a children's product, quite a number of them could still be using older Macs. My question was mainly aimed at the fact that the original PR was that Rev would be for all Mac OSs. Joe Wilkins On May 18, 2007, at 7:43 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: I see that 2.8.1 does not have a build for the Classic Mac platform at this time. My recollection was that 2.7.4 promised it would be available when 2.8 was released. It might be helpful for RunRev to have some quantification of the projected audience size. Do you have a feel for how many of your customers are still running OS 9? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution 2.8.1: a 240+ bug fixes/improvements! What about the remaining 1879?
On 5/18/07, Luis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 18 May 2007, at 05:30, Chipp Walters wrote: Heck, I wrote that demo and even I can't figure out what this guy is saying! Surely that's where two way communication comes in handy? With Rev having hundreds of bugs to go through, anyone serious about getting their bug fixed would be wise to create: 1) a clear explanation of the bug 2) a recipe for replcating it 3) if possible, a demo stack showing it Furthermore, those who wish their bugs fixed can also do a bit of research by contacting other developers here to confirm the bug before posting it. Typically, when I discover a bug in Rev, I try first to break it down into it's simplest components and try and create the most straightforward and basic recipe for repeating it. Then I create a simple bug demo stack, post it online and ask others to verify it. Once verified, I then post the bug, with the stack, to bugzilla. I have found this methodology has enabled most all of my reported bugs to be fixed in a very timely matter. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Browser Sampler: Crashing on 2.8.1 in the IDE
It loads ok, but then crashes: It renders the page and then a couple of seconds later boom! Cheers, Luis. On 18 May 2007, at 16:42, Luis wrote: Ooopsy, did mean bbc.co.uk Cheers, Luis. On 18 May 2007, at 16:37, Devin Asay wrote: On May 18, 2007, at 4:45 AM, Luis wrote: Hiya, Rummaging through the examples in a fresh install of 2.8.1 (Build 470) I had a go at Browser Sampler in the IDE: Went to the runrev.com site ok. Went to bb.co.uk and then blammo! Crash. Anyone seen this? Luis, Sorry, I couldn't find a site bb.co.uk. Did you mean bbc.co.uk maybe? If so, it loads perfectly for me here, 2.8.1 build 470, OS X 10.4.9, intel. Now, there are a few other bugs I notice with the browser, for which I'm starting a list. I'll post a bug report when I have the recipes nailed down. devin Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: installer for app?
To take that a step further, you can put a symbolic link to the Applications folder in the DMG along with a hidden background image with a big arrow pointing from the app to the Applications folder. Ian On 18 May 2007, at 16:07, Devin Asay wrote: Another good option is to simply create a .dmg disk image file using the Disk Utility included with OS X. Mac users are very comfortable with simply downloading a dmg, mounting it, and then dragging the app to the desired directory, usually /Applications. Devin ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Quitting standalone, is this a bug?
Hi everyone, after another round of research I have found that I am not the first to stumble on this bug On Jan 19, 2006 at 10:35 PM Steve Wagenseller posted to the list: I'm trapping the Quit message from the menubar via a shutdownrequest handler, but in the standalone, something curious occurs. The first time I choose Quit I can get the trap script to run (basically, an Are you sure? prompt along with some save options). The second time I choose Quit from the menu, the trap is not implemented. I am not passing the handler along, it sits at the stack level, and I am using an exit to top to get out of the shutdownrequest handler when Cancel is chosen. Have any of you experienced this strange problem -- that the trap only works once -- and do you have suggestions? --Steve I do wonder if this bug is more prevalent than just the two of us. In order to find this bug you have to quit, cancel quit, and then quit your standalone a second time. You won't catch this bug in the development environment. How many standalone developers have actually tested their apps in this way? One more thing... I do not have access to a windows system, so for all I know this bug is specific to the mac. --Michael Binder ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution 2.8.1: a 240+ bug fixes/improvements! What about the remaining 1879?
On 5/18/07, Luis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I understand what you're saying, but my statement was concerned with the fact that it was your demo: Not knowing what the demo was I opted for the general view that this was reported by a standard user, who is often naive, which I judged from the 'bug report'. Most naive users do not understand the 'bug reporting process' and many do not want to be educated because they see no benefit to it: They just want to play the game (or whatever the app is). Reading an earlier message may have told you it had something to do with altSQLite, which is no longer 'my demo,' other than the fact I wrote it before selling it to RR. This was literally the FIRST bug I clicked on marked UNCONFIRMED, and not one I was looking at. I found it amusing it had something to do with a product I wrote (and have had very few complaints about.) My point was to show all bugs are not created equal. How do you resolve a bug which starts: RunRev doesn't work. --user What's the problem. --RR It's broken -user How can I help? --RR When I step on the pedal, it doesn't go forward! -user That's the mouse, and you're not supposed to step on it -RR My only thought is I'd rather RR spend their valuable and precious bug-resolving resources on bugs which are clearly delineated. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Quitting standalone, is this a bug?
Michael, I certainly don't claim to have the ultimate wisdom regarding this, but if memory serves, there have been a number of discussions on this list regarding ambiguities in the use of 'me', 'this', 'the target' and other words in Revolution. I think the consensus has been that these ambiguities arise as a result of historical issues in xTalks (particularly Hypercard), and that there isn't much agreement on how, or even if, these ambiguities could or should be eliminated. The solution is to use explicit references where these ambiguities arise, and though you may well be right in calling what you have encountered a bug, it does seem that there isn't an obvious or generally acceptable way to resolve these ambiguities - explicit references work well, so I can't see the situation changing very soon. see http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=3419 best, Mark On 18 May 2007, at 17:10, Michael Binder wrote: Hi everyone, after another round of research I have found that I am not the first to stumble on this bug On Jan 19, 2006 at 10:35 PM Steve Wagenseller posted to the list: I'm trapping the Quit message from the menubar via a shutdownrequest handler, but in the standalone, something curious occurs. The first time I choose Quit I can get the trap script to run (basically, an Are you sure? prompt along with some save options). The second time I choose Quit from the menu, the trap is not implemented. I am not passing the handler along, it sits at the stack level, and I am using an exit to top to get out of the shutdownrequest handler when Cancel is chosen. Have any of you experienced this strange problem -- that the trap only works once -- and do you have suggestions? --Steve I do wonder if this bug is more prevalent than just the two of us. In order to find this bug you have to quit, cancel quit, and then quit your standalone a second time. You won't catch this bug in the development environment. How many standalone developers have actually tested their apps in this way? One more thing... I do not have access to a windows system, so for all I know this bug is specific to the mac. --Michael Binder ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Build for Classic
Joe, All Macs shipped since 1998 can run OS X. All Macs shipped since the installation of Intel CPUs can only run OS X. OS 9 (a good friend of mine) is dead. People who have not upgraded can not expect to get modern software for their OS 9 systemed computers - from you or anyone else. As for a children's market: most Macs shipped in a young child's lifetime had OS X installed. If a parent bought a Mac for a child, it is probably running OS X. I, for one, would rather have the Rev team forget about OS 9 entirely and deploy the resources elsewhere. Paul Looney ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Build for Classic
Paul, that's fine; perhaps we should change the standalone dialogs to reflect that fact. I'll still be using OS9 for most of my work until the day I die. Too much good stuff that works better on OS9 than OSX. And I can see it without all of that transparency baloney. Thanks. I don't suppose there is a way to turn off transparency with OSX. I thought not. One of NextStep's stupid brain-f##ts. Joe Wilkins On May 18, 2007, at 9:32 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joe, All Macs shipped since 1998 can run OS X. All Macs shipped since the installation of Intel CPUs can only run OS X. OS 9 (a good friend of mine) is dead. People who have not upgraded can not expect to get modern software for their OS 9 systemed computers - from you or anyone else. As for a children's market: most Macs shipped in a young child's lifetime had OS X installed. If a parent bought a Mac for a child, it is probably running OS X. I, for one, would rather have the Rev team forget about OS 9 entirely and deploy the resources elsewhere. Paul Looney ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Build for Classic
Jeff, That WAS my opinion too; so thanks for the back-up supporting my view. It IS really the schools rather than the parents who are buying new machines that keeps 0S9 alive. Joe Wilkins On May 18, 2007, at 10:09 AM, Jeff Reynolds wrote: Joe and Richard, Dropping os9 is not a solution if you build for the K-6 education market. there are still gobs of system 9 (and even a good number of 8x systems) out there and the publisher and distributors all want the stuff to be osx and os9 compatible. we even have had school district reps want to make sure products are os9 capable as they say they will not buy it unless it can run on all their systems. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Build for Classic
Joe and Richard, Dropping os9 is not a solution if you build for the K-6 education market. there are still gobs of system 9 (and even a good number of 8x systems) out there and the publisher and distributors all want the stuff to be osx and os9 compatible. we even have had school district reps want to make sure products are os9 capable as they say they will not buy it unless it can run on all their systems. macs have this nasty nack of hanging in there and with school software they dont upgrade that often so if it works and content is not out of date they just keep using the same system until it dies. I have even seen quite a few old IIcs and es running out there and my old basis108 was still running happily in a 2nd grade class on last report! Even if a mac is osx capable upgrading is just not an option for most schools as the first thing to go with budget cuts are the tech people who do the upgrades, support, new software installs, and training. Without them you are left with teachers to do this work. if you get lucky you get a teacher in a school who picks this up, but in k-6 you tend to not draw the kinds of teachers with these skills like you might in higher grades. Sorry, I know its dumb, but just a fact of life you have to live with if you make educational software, along with making the lowest wages you can possibly make doing software -- but it is very fun and rewarding! I too was waiting on 2.7x for the classic standalone build then it was billed for 2.8 so i upgraded and now am still waiting. luckily we just dont use any features past 2.6, so i can keep authoring there, then use it to make the classic build and move it up to 2.8 to do the osx and windows builds, but is a bit of a pain and i know that murphy will come along and bit me with some sort of build specific bug when doing this sort of bifurcated build process... I can understand most of the market has dropped os9 and its probably a royal pain to make the engine to support it, but if its promised then it should be delivered or at least not promised any more and some sort of apology given for not coming through. I have emailed rev and get no response lately on this issue. earlier emails said it was coming back in 2.7. 2.8 material does make it sound like classic is included and says it will be there soon in the 2.8.1 standalone builder. I just want a clear picture of what they are going to do about all this so i can plan accordingly. I have 3 more applications in the tubes for this summer/fall and need to start figuring out how i will be approaching them. cheers, Jeffrey Reynolds On May 18, 2007, at 12:40 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joe, All Macs shipped since 1998 can run OS X. All Macs shipped since the installation of Intel CPUs can only run OS X. OS 9 (a good friend of mine) is dead. People who have not upgraded can not expect to get modern software for their OS 9 systemed computers - from you or anyone else. As for a children's market: most Macs shipped in a young child's lifetime had OS X installed. If a parent bought a Mac for a child, it is probably running OS X. I, for one, would rather have the Rev team forget about OS 9 entirely and deploy the resources elsewhere. Paul Looney ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
WARNING ! Rev fails to Communicate
I have posted this topic before and reported a bug 4927 ! Just an update , I tried Sarah's SerialTest.rev as well , this hung the PC on pressing the Open Port Button. Again , the only way out was to reboot the PC ! Running Windows XP Using IVT BlueSoleil (USB to Bluetooth Adapter) Before anybody gets excited it's just a Virtual RS232 Com Port and works great with C written programs without Revolution's Engine. IT ONLY FAILS WITH REVOLUTION APPLICATIONS I'm stuffed until this is fixed. Help anybody ? It's seems there's a serious lack of Knowledge or Interest on Rev 's Communication I/O Engine at present ! Best Regards Camm ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
sending Unicode strings that include punctuation to search engines with revGoURL
My app allows users to send a word to a search engine for more examples of usage. With help from the list I've gotten it to work with languages using the Latin alphabet, Russian, even Hindi.. It does fail, though, when I send a search string in Russian that includes any punctuation or space. For example, the search string for ой! (a two-letter word followed by an exclamation mark) shows up in the engines as http://www.google.com/search?q=%04%1E%049! . Does anyone have suggestions on how to tweak this so terms like 'как-то' or 'потому что' can be sent to the search engines? Existing code: When the user displays a new term, the word to search for is set up like this: on changeWord global gWord, gWordToSearch --use an invisible field so we can check its effectiveTextFont to see if it's Unicode set the HTMLText of fld invisibleWordToSearch to gWord set the useUnicode to true --if the field contains Unicode text.. if the effective textFont of word 1 of field invisibleWordToSearch contains comma then --next line works for Russian put urlEncode(unidecode(fld invisibleWordToSearch, utf8)) into gWordToSearch else --next line works for Roman alphabet put fld invisibleWordToSearch into gWordToSearch end if end changeWord The 'search' button has this script: on mouseUp global gWordToSearch revGoURL (the cSearchEngine of this stack gWordToSearch) end mouseUp thanks Curt___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Build for Classic
Fortunately, I have one of the last and greatest G4s. It's about 8 years old now - I think. So my only concern is whether the drives will continue to work forever. (smile) I tried to boot up my SE30 the other day and, probably because I had forgotten to keep it plugged in so that the battery didn't peter out, it just sat there with a blurry screen and nothing else. Some of the external hard drives I used with it are still alive, so all is not lost. Just my ability to run System 8. Thanks for you empathy, Joe Wilkins On May 18, 2007, at 10:23 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joe, I found the transparency annoying as well. But Apple has toned it down. I'm running 10.4.9 and all of my windows are appropriately solid. I liked OS 7 and was disappointed when the initial OS 8 lacked some of the OS 7 features. The original OS 9 did not work as well as OS 8.6 (especially the networking) but it got better. The initial OS X did not have a lot of the things we took for granted in OS 9 (labels, springloaded folders, etc.), for that matter the initial version could not even print! At this point OS X does everything for me that OS 9 did - and a lot more. OS 9 is dead. It will never run better. It will never run faster. It will be harder and harder to find computers that run it at all. Developers have less and less incentive to develop for it. Meanwhile OS X gets better with each version. It runs faster because it runs on new computers with faster CPUs today. And tomorrow it will be running on even faster CPUs. It is the future. Maybe, someday, I'll even learn to like the dock. Paul Looney ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution 2.8.1: a 240+ bug fixes/improvements! What about the remaining 1879?
Great advice, Chipp. As one who recently had two or three bugs fixed directly due to my efforts, it really happens. What helped immensely was that I included a video clip to show events leading up to the problem, and a talking narrative at the same time. Also the crash reports furnished by the operating systeme are invaluable. I always try to get a nice 'package' together before making a report and it really pays off. It took hours, but was well worth it. On the mac, the shareware iShowU is wonderful for this, and if you use the 'apple animation' codec, the files can be quite small. http://www.shinywhitebox.com/home/home.html - it's $20 and with a $40 USB headset you can make pro quality how-to videos of any size. I found the audio out of the headset (logitech at Radioshack) was more appropriate and intelligible than any of my pro vintage microphones. With Rev having hundreds of bugs to go through, anyone serious about getting their bug fixed would be wise to create: 1) a clear explanation of the bug 2) a recipe for replcating it 3) if possible, a demo stack showing it Furthermore, those who wish their bugs fixed can also do a bit of research by contacting other developers here to confirm the bug before posting it. Typically, when I discover a bug in Rev, I try first to break it down into it's simplest components and try and create the most straightforward and basic recipe for repeating it. Then I create a simple bug demo stack, post it online and ask others to verify it. Once verified, I then post the bug, with the stack, to bugzilla. I have found this methodology has enabled most all of my reported bugs to be fixed in a very timely matter. -- stephen barncard s a n f r a n c i s c o - - - - - - - - - - - - ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Browser Sampler: Crashing on 2.8.1 in the IDE
It loads ok, but then crashes: It renders the page and then a couple of seconds later boom! Cheers, Luis. On Windows XP, the page begins to load, but then presents an error dialog that says there is a problem executing scripts on this page, then it loads and looks normal. Probably just badly formed javascript. What platform is experiencing the crash? Roger Eller [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Build for Classic
Joe, All Macs shipped since 1998 can run OS X. All Macs shipped since the installation of Intel CPUs can only run OS X. OS 9 (a good friend of mine) is dead. People who have not upgraded can not expect to get modern software for their OS 9 systemed computers - from you or anyone else. As for a children's market: most Macs shipped in a young child's lifetime had OS X installed. If a parent bought a Mac for a child, it is probably running OS X. I, for one, would rather have the Rev team forget about OS 9 entirely and deploy the resources elsewhere. Paul Looney Paul, the dates and capabilities you quote are sort of irrelevant. Many of us would like to forget OS9 but it is still quite widely used in some market segments, like it or not. The fact that Chevy Impala is not produced for many years does not mean that everybody should stop producing parts for it. We discussed this so many times on the list, so let's not start that again. Joe is talking about broken promises... RR's web site stated for long that Revolution 2.7 for Mac OS 9 will be released soon. Robert ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Build for Classic
Jeff Reynolds wrote: Dropping os9 is not a solution if you build for the K-6 education market. I hear you on that. I know a good many teachers, and it's tragic how low their budgets get prioritized, esp. when we consider so many other useless things the money gets spent for. I think you hit on a key point here: luckily we just dont use any features past 2.6, so i can keep authoring there, then use it to make the classic build and move it up to 2.8 to do the osx and windows builds, but is a bit of a pain and i know that murphy will come along and bit me with some sort of build specific bug when doing this sort of bifurcated build process... It could be worse: in the olden days I had clients who supported multiple platforms by developing the Mac version in SuperCard and the Windows version in ToolBook. What a nightmare that was. Most of the new features in v2.7 and v2.8 don't affect Classic at all, since they deal with things like Universal Binary, Vista, window buffer compositing, etc. So your strategy of staying with v2.6 still keeps Rev a viable option at the modest cost of a little inconvenience at build time. The one thing we know about Classic is that it's not a moving target. :) Since RunRev did promise at least one more engine for Classic I agree they should do so, and the sooner they get it out of the way the better for them and everyone else. As they continue to move the code base forward, we can't expect that a Classic build will get any easier. But I think it's prudent for anyone who needs to deploy to Classic to expect that there probably won't be more than one new engine for that OS, so sooner or later they'll be in the same spot you're in now, building for modern OSes in one version and building for Classic in an older one. With v2.9, v3.0, v4.0 and beyond, any version that includes Classic support will be short-lived, so the practice of using two versions of Rev will become the norm anyway not long after they release a new Classic engine. -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal ___ Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Build for Classic
Joe, I found the transparency annoying as well. But Apple has toned it down. I'm running 10.4.9 and all of my windows are appropriately solid. I liked OS 7 and was disappointed when the initial OS 8 lacked some of the OS 7 features. The original OS 9 did not work as well as OS 8.6 (especially the networking) but it got better. The initial OS X did not have a lot of the things we took for granted in OS 9 (labels, springloaded folders, etc.), for that matter the initial version could not even print! At this point OS X does everything for me that OS 9 did - and a lot more. OS 9 is dead. It will never run better. It will never run faster. It will be harder and harder to find computers that run it at all. Developers have less and less incentive to develop for it. Meanwhile OS X gets better with each version. It runs faster because it runs on new computers with faster CPUs today. And tomorrow it will be running on even faster CPUs. It is the future. Maybe, someday, I'll even learn to like the dock. Paul Looney ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Build for Classic
On May 18, 2007, at 7:43 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Do you have a feel for how many of your customers are still running OS 9? Having served the education market for almost 11 years has taught me that it is slow to get rid of new technology. Apple has forced everyone to be on the same page from a given date forward. But good old educators hang on to their machines until they don't turn on any more. Then they go into various closets until they don't fit any more. Then they get transferred to other facilities. Finally they are given to the neighborhood children. OS 9 is still very much alive in this sector. I hate to see Rev spend its time on OS 9. But, those that develop education software will greatly appreciate at least one more update. Mark Talluto -- CANELA Software http://www.canelasoftware.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Revolution 2.8.1: a 240+ bug fixes/improvements! What about the remaining 1879?
Chipp, I think you may be drawing the wrong lesson. Of course the bug you mention is not useful. The problem is that the database contains it. That tells you something. Bill's remark, that the database contains lots of stuff that is already fixed also tells you something. Its good news and bad news, its good about the bugs. Its less good about the database. People have enormous goodwill towards Rev. They will accept realistic targets that are met, even if those targets are less than what they want, and less than what the Rev team wants to deliver. I think part of what Joel is saying may be: pick a quantified realistic goal, communicate it, and stick to it and deliver it. Even if it not what people would have liked, they will like this approach to delivering a given quantity of work much better than any possible alternative. Peter My point was to show all bugs are not created equal. How do you resolve a bug which starts: RunRev doesn't work. --user What's the problem. --RR It's broken -user How can I help? --RR When I step on the pedal, it doesn't go forward! -user That's the mouse, and you're not supposed to step on it -RR My only thought is I'd rather RR spend their valuable and precious bug-resolving resources on bugs which are clearly delineated. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
WOW -New Features in 2.8.1
I was just going over the new features article in the Rev newsletter. Wow! Now I get how 'Private Handlers' and the 'split by row and column' features could really be useful.. speed.. very well done explanatory article. Thanks Marcus and Oliver. Nice to get details from the coder/designers! http://www.runrev.com/newsletter/may/issue26/newsletter1.php -- stephen barncard s a n f r a n c i s c o - - - - - - - - - - - - ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Curse of the mystery tooltip...
I was flipping between Mail, Safari and Rev 2.8.1, and saw a brief flash of a bizarre tooltip while the cursor was near the vertical scrollbar of a script window: 'Intelligent use of mouseControl' or something similar to that. Did I just find an Easter egg? Ian ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Protect a folder of pictures
Hello, I'll have to made a CDRom (Mac/Win) with a lot of pictures. All pictures are in a folder beside the app. How protect this folder ? Thanks. Rev. 2.6.1 for now ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Protect a folder of pictures
Hi Ludovic, I think you're wasting your time trying to protect pictures. If you use them, someone will find a way to copy them. Maybe you could come up with a scheme to scramble the pixels and then unscramble them in your program when you use them, but that is going to take a lot of effort and will really slow down the performance of the program at some point. I'd say you should just write a pretty threatening copyright notice and then make sure you follow up on it. That will scare most away. The others would take a baseball bat along side the head. Just MHO, Joe Wilkins On May 18, 2007, at 11:56 AM, Ludovic Thébault wrote: Hello, I'll have to made a CDRom (Mac/Win) with a lot of pictures. All pictures are in a folder beside the app. How protect this folder ? Thanks. Rev. 2.6.1 for now ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Protect a folder of pictures
On May 18, 2007, at 12:15 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: Hi Ludovic, I think you're wasting your time trying to protect pictures. If you use them, someone will find a way to copy them. Maybe you could come up with a scheme to scramble the pixels and then unscramble them in your program when you use them, but that is going to take a lot of effort and will really slow down the performance of the program at some point. I'd say you should just write a pretty threatening copyright notice and then make sure you follow up on it. That will scare most away. The others would take a baseball bat along side the head. Just MHO, Joe Wilkins On May 18, 2007, at 11:56 AM, Ludovic Thébault wrote: Hello, I'll have to made a CDRom (Mac/Win) with a lot of pictures. All pictures are in a folder beside the app. How protect this folder ? I think it can be done. I would look at Revs encryption features if you want to store them externally. You could store them in custom properties in a substack as an alternative. This method must take into account available RAM and the effect of storing/calling upon data in this manner. The short of it is: If is is truly necessary to protect the images you can provide a reasonable amount of protection. Mark Talluto -- CANELA Software http://www.canelasoftware.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
What's new in Media?
Howdy, I'm cautiously upgrading from DC 2.7.4 to Media version 2.7.4 So, there's my first question. The similarity of the version numbers suggests this is an imaginary upgrade, though I'll have to pay for it, after 30 days? Is that true? (I don't mind paying for it. The price is reasonable and I don't want to risk getting too far behind the upgrade curve. If my version of DC hasn't expired already, it will soon.) So far, my stacks seems to work normally in Media. I've asked about possible gotchas before, and afaik, there won't be any problems. I don't use an external database. Are there new features in Media I might want to know about? Like any of the Studio 2.8.1 new features? If so, where can I learn about them? The RR website remains somewhat non-obvious, intuitively speaking. I'm somewhat unnerved to see that the documentation for Media includes a sample project called Kiosk -- MySQL Front End Last I heard, Media doesn't support MySQL. If that remains so, this sort of thing could cause distressing confusion. Should I prepare for other such difficulties with the documentation? Cheers, Tim ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Media Backward Compatible?
Oops. Forgot to ask in previous post... If I save my stacks in the current version of Media, will I still be able to open and run them in DC 2.7.4? --also-- Does RR plan to bug-fix and upgrade Media, parallel to Studio? Tim ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Browser Sampler: Crashing on 2.8.1 in the IDE
It loads ok, but then crashes: It renders the page and then a couple of seconds later boom! Cheers, Luis. On Windows XP, the page begins to load, but then presents an error dialog that says there is a problem executing scripts on this page, then it loads and looks normal. Probably just badly formed javascript. What platform is experiencing the crash? Roger Eller [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Quitting standalone, is this a bug?
Michael Binder wrote: Hi everyone, after another round of research I have found that I am not the first to stumble on this bug Oops, I believe you now. ;) Sorry about all the long, tangential explanations. I just did some tests and there is something weird going on. If a second answer dialog is executed immediately after the first, subsequent lines of code in my handler do not execute. What's odd, however, is that the pass shutdownrequest line at the very end of the handler *does* run -- but that seems to be the only thing. To test, I created a new stack containing a single field. In the stack script, I put a single handler: on shutdownrequest put the defaultstack cr after fld 1 answer Quit? with Yes or No put it into tChoice put Test line is executing cr after fld 1 if tChoice = no then put the defaultstack cr after fld 1 else pass shutdownrequest end if end shutdownrequest I created a standalone from this stack. The first time I try to quit (choosing No from the dialog), all lines execute. I see: stack quitTest Test line is executing stack quitTest If I immediately try to quit again, I see nothing, no new lines are added to the field. I know the shutdownrequest message is being sent because the dialog appears, and if I choose Yes the app quits, which means it is being passed. But the commands in between do anything. If I set the defaultstack specifically after the answer dialog: on shutdownrequest put the defaultstack cr after fld 1 answer Quit? with Yes or No put it into tChoice set the defaultstack to quitTest -- ADDED THIS put Test line is executing cr after fld 1 if tChoice = no then put the defaultstack cr after fld 1 else pass shutdownrequest end if end shutdownrequest The problem is resolved, all lines execute, and you can run the handler repeatedly without any problem. It looks like an engine bug to me; the engine appears to lose track of the defaultstack after two repeated answer dialogs. It probably hasn't been noticed very often because so many other user actions will reset the defaultstack automatically, at which point the engine knows once again what it is. Gotta thank Michael for being stubborn about this. Good catch. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Protect a folder of pictures
Hi Ludovic and Joe, I fully agree with Joe. It is a waste of time to try to protect a folder. When your programme is running, the folder will be unprotected and people can copy the files. If people can't figure out how to copy files, they can still make a screenshot. As an alternative, you can make your own format. For example, you can save the imagedata, mask data and alphadata of an image object to a file and use these instead of a complete picture. Or you can use normal PNG files but add a number of characters at the beginning and end of the file, which you will ignore when reading the file before you set the text of an image object. This is faster than completely scrambling a picture, but nothing will be as fast as setting the filename of an image object to the path to an unscrambled image. You might be tempted to use encryption, but that takes a lot of CPU power and will strongly reduce performance of your application. Just don't forget that one could always make screenshots. Best, Mark -- Economy-x-Talk Consultancy and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Get your store on-line within minutes with Salery Web Store software. Download at http://www.salery.biz Op 18-mei-2007, om 21:15 heeft Joe Lewis Wilkins het volgende geschreven: Hi Ludovic, I think you're wasting your time trying to protect pictures. If you use them, someone will find a way to copy them. Maybe you could come up with a scheme to scramble the pixels and then unscramble them in your program when you use them, but that is going to take a lot of effort and will really slow down the performance of the program at some point. I'd say you should just write a pretty threatening copyright notice and then make sure you follow up on it. That will scare most away. The others would take a baseball bat along side the head. Just MHO, Joe Wilkins ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Build for Classic
From: Richard Gaskin [EMAIL PROTECTED] With v2.9, v3.0, v4.0 and beyond, any version that includes Classic support will be short-lived, so the practice of using two versions of Rev will become the norm anyway not long after they release a new Classic engine. I didn't really get into the Mac side of the world until a few years ago as my career has me on Intel MS based machines since the 1980's and that's pretty much where I lived. However I was given a Wallstreet G3 a few years back from a Mac loving friend and discovered how delightful the Mac is. My main machines are still Windows boxes (my old DOS boxes are long gone and I have one old Pentium II clunker running Ubuntu) and a Mac Mini. However - I can run Panther on the G3 Wallstreet. A little shareware tool called AlPosto Facto (or some similar silly name) allows one to install it. With OS9 running you install this tool and then boot into a Jaguar install CD, install Jaguar and then install Panther over the top. So my little G3 runs Panther happily. I admit I don't use it all the time but it is quite responsive and great for doing simple stuff on (like testing) even though I generally tend to use my Mac Mini. My point is maybe this is an option OS9 based schools could consider? Scott Kane When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is possible, he is almost certainly right. When he states that something is impossible, he is very probably wrong. Arthur C Clarke ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Error in docs about file creation date
Wilhelm Sanke wrote: While trying to add the creation date to the filename in a thumbs application I noticed that the creation date is actually item 5 of the detailed files rather than item 4, number 4 really containing the modification date. Since the detailed files was introduced in Rev version 1.0 and modified in 1.1 nobody seems to have made use of the creation date over the last years? On my OS X machine, it's the way the docs say. What OS are you using? -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: WOW -New Features in 2.8.1
From: Stephen Barncard [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wow! Now I get how 'Private Handlers' and the 'split by row and column' features could really be useful.. speed.. Yes. I just read about this. Very cool! 'Private Handlers' have incredible potential and the shortening of how arrays are handled in script is excellent too. Scott Kane Nothing is as powerful as an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: 2.8.1: a necessary corrective
Richmond, I concur completely. Just one thing though. Don't you think that Work Around should become,e a reserved word, not only in RR but all the RADs in use by our profession? Cal ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution 2.8.1: a 240+ bug fixes/improvements! What about the remaining 1879?
On 5/18/07, Peter Alcibiades [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chipp, I think you may be drawing the wrong lesson. Of course the bug you mention is not useful. The problem is that the database contains it. That tells you something. Bill's remark, that the database contains lots of stuff that is already fixed also tells you something. Its good news and bad news, its good about the bugs. Its less good about the database. 'That tells you something' -- perhaps I'm just slow, but I'm not sure what that tells me? 'its good news and bad news-good about the bugs, less good about the database' -Again, completely confused at the point you're trying to make. Just to be clear, I was advocating a responsible and logical approach for submitting and/or reporting bugs which if used would create even more integrity in the database. People have enormous goodwill towards Rev. They will accept realistic targets that are met, even if those targets are less than what they want, and less than what the Rev team wants to deliver. I think part of what Joel is saying may be: pick a quantified realistic goal, communicate it, and stick to it and deliver it. Even if it not what people would have liked, they will like this approach to delivering a given quantity of work much better than any possible alternative. Yeah, I know what you mean. I'm still upset about promises broke concerning flying cars and Dick Tracy watches ;-) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution 2.8.1: a 240+ bug fixes/improvements! What about the remaining 1879?
On 18 May 2007, at 17:21, Chipp Walters wrote: My point was to show all bugs are not created equal. How do you resolve a bug which starts: RunRev doesn't work. --user What's the problem. --RR It's broken -user How can I help? --RR When I step on the pedal, it doesn't go forward! -user That's the mouse, and you're not supposed to step on it -RR My only thought is I'd rather RR spend their valuable and precious bug-resolving resources on bugs which are clearly delineated. Well, my idea would be to reply (this would be automated) to a bug email (must be sent to the bugs@ address) with a link to a page to fill in the details of the bug. This would constitute a web page with as many options as possible as pull downs, starting from the highest level (choose the software, choose the version) to as low as can fit on one page, so as to not appear a daunting task. If they reach the bottom of the page they have the option to further detail the issue. The pull downs should whittle the chaff away from the problem so the bug reporter now has a better idea of what is required and can now detail the issue in his/her own words. Getting to this point should also assist with any issues regarding non-native speakers. Cheers, Luis. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution 2.8.1: a 240+ bug fixes/improvements! What about the remaining 1879?
On May 18, 2007, at 4:05 PM, Luis wrote: Well, my idea would be to reply (this would be automated) to a bug email (must be sent to the bugs@ address) with a link to a page to fill in the details of the bug. This would constitute a web page with as many options as possible as pull downs, starting from the highest level (choose the software, choose the version) to as low as can fit on one page, so as to not appear a daunting task. If they reach the bottom of the page they have the option to further detail the issue. The pull downs should whittle the chaff away from the problem so the bug reporter now has a better idea of what is required and can now detail the issue in his/her own words. Getting to this point should also assist with any issues regarding non-native speakers. RevZilla by Ken Ray does pretty much that. Have you given it a try? It runs right in Rev. http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/downloads/RevZilla2.htm Mark Talluto -- CANELA Software http://www.canelasoftware.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Build for Classic
I haven't seen that many OS9 boxes around lately, except for my old iMac (I need it, I haven't finished The Journeyman Project yet). Anyroad, if issues of workload are to be borne in mind regarding unsupported OSs the we should also ditch Windows 98. Although I wouldn't agree with it on the grounds that there are tonnes of these around (I even saw 3.1 'For Workgoups' on every machine in a government department not two years ago, pretty nippy on them Pentiums I must say!). Cheers, Luis. On 18 May 2007, at 22:16, Scott Kane wrote: From: Richard Gaskin [EMAIL PROTECTED] With v2.9, v3.0, v4.0 and beyond, any version that includes Classic support will be short-lived, so the practice of using two versions of Rev will become the norm anyway not long after they release a new Classic engine. I didn't really get into the Mac side of the world until a few years ago as my career has me on Intel MS based machines since the 1980's and that's pretty much where I lived. However I was given a Wallstreet G3 a few years back from a Mac loving friend and discovered how delightful the Mac is. My main machines are still Windows boxes (my old DOS boxes are long gone and I have one old Pentium II clunker running Ubuntu) and a Mac Mini. However - I can run Panther on the G3 Wallstreet. A little shareware tool called AlPosto Facto (or some similar silly name) allows one to install it. With OS9 running you install this tool and then boot into a Jaguar install CD, install Jaguar and then install Panther over the top. So my little G3 runs Panther happily. I admit I don't use it all the time but it is quite responsive and great for doing simple stuff on (like testing) even though I generally tend to use my Mac Mini. My point is maybe this is an option OS9 based schools could consider? Scott Kane When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is possible, he is almost certainly right. When he states that something is impossible, he is very probably wrong. Arthur C Clarke ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Browser Sampler: Crashing on 2.8.1 in the IDE
Oh Essex 10.4.9 Judging from Devin Asay's post this may point to a processor issue, as his worked ok on an Intel box, whereas Thierry's crashed too (assuming PowerPC as he didn't mention otherwise). Cheers, Luis. On 18 May 2007, at 21:14, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It loads ok, but then crashes: It renders the page and then a couple of seconds later boom! Cheers, Luis. On Windows XP, the page begins to load, but then presents an error dialog that says there is a problem executing scripts on this page, then it loads and looks normal. Probably just badly formed javascript. What platform is experiencing the crash? Roger Eller [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution 2.8.1: a 240+ bug fixes/improvements! What about the remaining 1879?
Had a look at it, but still doesn't offer that many options to drill down the issue: I'm trying to avoid the bug reporter from having to type 'too much'. For example for a graphics app (these would be spread across as well as down the page!): * = Selected Options/Pull downs Your system - OS 9 - OS X* - W98 - W2K - WXP Select product - PictureMe* - PrintMe Select version - v1 - v2 - v3* Problem on Startup or Quit? - Yes - No* Problem with Menu? - Yes - No* Problem with Tools? - Yes* - No Etc, etc. I'd get them tailored to fit the page plus space for the comment (only writeable if the bug reporter has pulled down at least 60% of the options to cater for non-obvious issues not included in the pull downs). Pull downs are little effort, so if someone has bothered to at least report the bug, it shouldn't be too hard. There are plenty of options in RRQC and RevZilla, but I'd rather use up all that screen space to ask as many questions as possible (ie: via the pull downs) to narrow down the issue. Cheers, Luis. On 19 May 2007, at 0:13, Mark Talluto wrote: On May 18, 2007, at 4:05 PM, Luis wrote: Well, my idea would be to reply (this would be automated) to a bug email (must be sent to the bugs@ address) with a link to a page to fill in the details of the bug. This would constitute a web page with as many options as possible as pull downs, starting from the highest level (choose the software, choose the version) to as low as can fit on one page, so as to not appear a daunting task. If they reach the bottom of the page they have the option to further detail the issue. The pull downs should whittle the chaff away from the problem so the bug reporter now has a better idea of what is required and can now detail the issue in his/her own words. Getting to this point should also assist with any issues regarding non-native speakers. RevZilla by Ken Ray does pretty much that. Have you given it a try? It runs right in Rev. http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/downloads/ RevZilla2.htm Mark Talluto -- CANELA Software http://www.canelasoftware.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution 2.8.1: a 240+ bug fixes/improvements! What about the remaining 1879?
On 5/18/07, Luis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, my idea would be to reply (this would be automated) to a bug email (must be sent to the bugs@ address) with a link to a page to fill in the details of the bug. This would constitute a web page with as many options as possible as pull downs, starting from the highest level (choose the software, choose the version) to as low as can fit on one page, so as to not appear a daunting task. If they reach the bottom of the page they have the option to further detail the issue. The pull downs should whittle the chaff away from the problem so the bug reporter now has a better idea of what is required and can now detail the issue in his/her own words. Getting to this point should also assist with any issues regarding non-native speakers. Can you point me to such a system which is currently in use? Thanks. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution 2.8.1: a 240+ bug fixes/improvements! What about the remaining 1879?
Luis wrote: On 19 May 2007, at 0:13, Mark Talluto wrote: RevZilla by Ken Ray does pretty much that. Have you given it a try? It runs right in Rev. Had a look at it, but still doesn't offer that many options to drill down the issue: I'm trying to avoid the bug reporter from having to type 'too much'. For example for a graphics app (these would be spread across as well as down the page!): * = Selected Options/Pull downs Your system - OS 9 - OS X* - W98 - W2K - WXP Select product - PictureMe* - PrintMe Select version - v1 - v2 - v3* Problem on Startup or Quit? - Yes - No* Problem with Menu? - Yes - No* Problem with Tools? - Yes* - No Etc, etc. I'd get them tailored to fit the page plus space for the comment (only writeable if the bug reporter has pulled down at least 60% of the options to cater for non-obvious issues not included in the pull downs). Pull downs are little effort, so if someone has bothered to at least report the bug, it shouldn't be too hard. There are plenty of options in RRQC and RevZilla, but I'd rather use up all that screen space to ask as many questions as possible (ie: via the pull downs) to narrow down the issue. Revzilla's written in Rev, so you could make your UI as a wizard for it. I'm sure Ken would be willing to add it to his web page as a Revzilla add-on. Let us know when you have it done. Sounds cool. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Build for Classic
From: Luis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Anyroad, if issues of workload are to be borne in mind regarding unsupported OSs the we should also ditch Windows 98. Although I wouldn't agree with it on the grounds that there are tonnes of these around (I even saw 3.1 'For Workgoups' on every machine in a government department not two years ago, pretty nippy on them Pentiums I must say!). In some programs I refuse to support Win 9x and Millennium (for technical reasons related to some of the hardware problems in those OS'). However on the matter of Win 3.11 there are some parts of the QLD Education department who were still using that OS in relatively recent times. At the time the reason was because Win 95 has bugs which while true was not really a valid reason in that Win 95 for all it's warts was generally more stable than Win 3.11. As you can imagine it created quite a problem with inter departmental documents written in various versions of Word, Access etc. Scott Kane Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C Clarke ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Build for Classic
I agree on Millenium Edition, I won't even touch the bargepole! The reason they told me why they were still using 3.1 was the cost of the upgrade: In order to have all departments in sync they'd have to upgrade all their systems in one go. Cheers, Luis. On 19 May 2007, at 1:34, Scott Kane wrote: From: Luis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Anyroad, if issues of workload are to be borne in mind regarding unsupported OSs the we should also ditch Windows 98. Although I wouldn't agree with it on the grounds that there are tonnes of these around (I even saw 3.1 'For Workgoups' on every machine in a government department not two years ago, pretty nippy on them Pentiums I must say!). In some programs I refuse to support Win 9x and Millennium (for technical reasons related to some of the hardware problems in those OS'). However on the matter of Win 3.11 there are some parts of the QLD Education department who were still using that OS in relatively recent times. At the time the reason was because Win 95 has bugs which while true was not really a valid reason in that Win 95 for all it's warts was generally more stable than Win 3.11. As you can imagine it created quite a problem with inter departmental documents written in various versions of Word, Access etc. Scott Kane Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C Clarke ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution 2.8.1: a 240+ bug fixes/improvements! What about the remaining 1879?
Nope, it's in my head. Cheers, luis. On 19 May 2007, at 0:58, Chipp Walters wrote: On 5/18/07, Luis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, my idea would be to reply (this would be automated) to a bug email (must be sent to the bugs@ address) with a link to a page to fill in the details of the bug. This would constitute a web page with as many options as possible as pull downs, starting from the highest level (choose the software, choose the version) to as low as can fit on one page, so as to not appear a daunting task. If they reach the bottom of the page they have the option to further detail the issue. The pull downs should whittle the chaff away from the problem so the bug reporter now has a better idea of what is required and can now detail the issue in his/her own words. Getting to this point should also assist with any issues regarding non-native speakers. Can you point me to such a system which is currently in use? Thanks. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution 2.8.1: a 240+ bug fixes/improvements! What about the remaining 1879?
On 19 May 2007, at 1:13, Richard Gaskin wrote: Revzilla's written in Rev, so you could make your UI as a wizard for it. I'm sure Ken would be willing to add it to his web page as a Revzilla add-on. Let us know when you have it done. Sounds cool. I'll let it float around in my head for now, but thanks. Cheers, Luis. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Build for Classic
All good points Paul. I'm sure ancient Macs, and Apple II's are still in use in some schools (though my publicly schooled daughter's 5th grade has only OSX Macs and WinXP PCs). Too bad Apple didn't use Intel processors, or you could load up the computer with a version of Linux which works just fine. I know there used to be a version of Linux for PowerPCs, but don't know if it ever ran on an Apple--even so if it did, I doubt there were many authoring tools which could compile for it. Nice to see Apple's finally come around to the Intel architecture of things, thus not forcing the 'planned hardware obsolescence' issue which we now have with 'Classic.' At least with PC's, they always provided you a software upgrade path...and didn't force you to buy all new hardware. And Linux runs on most all old Intel machines. I'm with Richard on this one. I can't imagine any features in a post 2.6version of Rev you'd *NEED* for Classic. Of course, I may be missing some. best, Chipp ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Protect a folder of pictures
Ludovic, You can easily store an image, or many images, in a custom property of a stack or stacks. Then, it's a simple matter to open the stack invisibly, grab the customProp and set the imageData of a 'blank' image on your 'main' stack to it. Should be pretty fast as well. This will discourage the casual pirate from grabbing your image. Of course there are always ways to circumvent this process, but for the most part, it's fast, compact, and easy to deploy. Or another way to do this, is to just import the images into a stack, then launch the stack invisibly, and copy the imagedata of the image you want to the 'blank' image. Remember, if you put all 1000 images in a single stack, opening the stack will take forever. You might consider putting 1 image per stack. Should be easy to write a script to automate this and point it to a folder of images. -Chipp ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Build for Classic
nope, a lot of schools wont do this unless folks like you with the savvy to figure out how to do this go in and volunteer to do it, you donate the money for the the copies of osx for their computers, then you will have to come in and train the teachers how to use the osx, then you will have to support the new systems, then you will have to probably donate copies of the osx versions of newer software for them to use since they dont have the tech personnel or money to do any of this in many cases. I dont worry at all about being osx only in the home market its the school market that is still holding on to os9. k-6 will be the last hold ons here as they usually get the lowest tech budgets and have the least tech savvy staffing to attempt rolling their own upgrades. I know you would want to believe that most schools are in the 21st century with their technology, but lots of them are still twencen. the schools that need them most help educationally are usually in the worst shape technology wise also, but even some more affluent districts have slashed tech budgets since getting rid of a tech person is way more desirable than loosing an administrator type in the district. you can guess my feelings on that matter... I know that as one of the richest countries in the world we want to believe we hold education in high regard, but you will find that in terms of what you pay the folks that actually educate (teachers, lesson writers, educational programmers, etc) its actually pretty low on the professional pay scales. I know i have been doing educational multimedia since 87 and except for the few years in the hay days of cdroms in the mid 90s Its pretty much the lowest money in the field and the poorest clients.. A small side story that illustrates the point: I presented years ago at the baby bell's annual technology conference for all the big wigs of all the telcos when they were just starting to see the light that they could move data into the households and make some $$ on it. they thought that folks would spend huge $ to bring educational materials into their house holds and the could make huge profits. after showing them all sorts of cool and fun educational multimedia stuff (they were practically foaming at the mouth at this point) i decided to do some letting air out of the tires. I asked if everyone in the room was making above $200K (there were like 100 top execs there so i assume that they would laugh at this paltry sum and i was correct in the assumption), all hands went up (except for a few engineers there from the labs that were also presenting). i then asked those that had kids and about 90% of the hands went up. then asked them to total all the money they spent in a year on educational materials for their kids. i said it could be books, subscriptions, music, videos, software, trips to museums or other even semi educational events. i asked how many of them thought they spent over $1000, a few hands went up, then $500 a few more then $250 most of the hands were up, then surprisingly i asked under $100 and probably 10 hands went up -- i was shocked they were willing to admit that. I then asked them what the average household income was that they would target to sell ed materials to and they said $40-80k. Then said so if most of you are willing to spend less than half a percent of your large salaries with lots of discretionary cash on software you might think that it would be a smaller percentage for the ave customer and they agreed. then said ok how about half what you do, ok then that works out to 0.25% or less of $40-80K or $100-200/year for the ave target family. Silence in the room. None of them had bothered to think this through. i was horrified. i asked if they thought the target families would be able and/or willing to transfer any more money out of other spending to pay for more cool new educational materials via their new (and expensive at that time) connections. went on into a discussion of what this would then require is a rewiring of how much money we will spend on educational materials in our society if they wanted the pie to get bigger to take a slice from. Needless to say for the next two days i was was the target of very concerned discussions at every free moment in the conference. To their credit they really came around fast in realizing the missing step, but only to not go into the area, not to even think about trying to change things. sorry for the rant, but this is the world i live in and the rest of the world has a very different impression of the education world and just asks why cant we do things like business does... best thing i can say is go in and volunteer in a school and see what it takes to do education, its an eye opener! cheers, Jeffrey Reynolds On May 18, 2007, at 7:47 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However - I can run
