Re: Ripple

[Chipp Walters]

Hey, there's a pond on my screen! Neato effect :-)
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Re: OT: The iMac is... dead.

[Shao Sean]

Actually I had the same problem with an original iMac as well..  
There's a small button on the motherboard that you need to press to  
reset it and then it should be good to go. :-)

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Re: OT: The iMac is... dead.

[Rick Harrison]

Derek,

Definitely replace that Motherboard battery!

I believe it is probably just the standard 1/2 AA 3.6 volt lithium type
that you can get at Radio Shack, or elsewhere on the internet.

A machine which is usually on all the time and then gets powered
down for any reason such as being moved, power outage etc. will
many times appear to be dead.  It's just the PRAM doesn't understand
what it is supposed to do anymore because the motherboard battery
is dead.  Replace that battery!

Good luck!

Rick
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Re: Printing an Image

[-= JB =-]

On Jun 12, 2007, at 7:01 PM, Devin Asay wrote:

I don't think you can use it like that. I think your best bet would be 
to use a card with a field on it to get the precise style and layout 
you want, then use print card to print to a specific area of the page.



Thanks for the info.  I am sorry to hear about the
limitations of revPrintfield.

I wonder if the Rev Team has plans of adding
more printing features in the future.

Two very nice things would be:

1.  Print a file (image, text) by making a call to
print the file without importing it or making it a
control of some type first.  Allow positioning of
the printed file at the time it is called.

2.  Adding the ability to position the printing in
the revPrintField command.

The above options would make printing very
sophisticated and yet very easy.

thanks,
-=>JB<=-

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Re: Ripple

[Mark Wieder]

Scott, Phil-

Now cut that out... I'm trying to get some work done.
Never mind... I'll work tomorrow. Having too much fun here.

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Re: Printing an Image

[Devin Asay]

On Jun 12, 2007, at 7:20 PM, -= JB =- wrote:


How would I use the revPrintField to print my text
in a specific area on my page like I can with the
print card commands.


I don't think you can use it like that. I think your best bet would  
be to use a card with a field on it to get the precise style and  
layout you want, then use print card to print to a specific area of  
the page.


Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University

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Re: Delimiting thousandths..converting 12345678 to 12, 345, 678 for example

[Jim Ault]

One thing ver (1) does not handle is the switching separator.

I should have said:

  if pSeparator is "," then set the itemDel to "."
--otherwise comma will be used
...then finished with...
get (holdPrefix & pNum)
   put holdDec into item 2 of it
   return it
--

I will offer a slight (2) improvement to make it a bit more universal
-- neg numbers
--preceeded by $
--decimals
--handle switching separators

function formatThousands pNum,pSeparator
  repeat while char 1 of pNum is not a number then
put char 1 of pNum after holdPrefix
put char 2 to -1 of pNum into pNum
  end repeat
  if pSeparator is "," then set the itemDel to "."  --   <--better
  put item 2 of pNum into holdDec
  put item 1 of pNum into pNum
 >   repeat with x = length(pNum)-3 to 3 step -3
> put pSeparator before char x+1 of pNum
>   end repeat
   get (holdPrefix & pNum)
   put holdDec into item 2 of it
   return it
end formatThousands




On 6/12/07 6:01 PM, "Jim Ault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Thanks for the props.
> Note: the function also handles the accounting format where the "-" sign is
> trailing since the decimal and beyond is held as a suffix.
> 
> Jim Ault
> Las Vegas
> 
> 
> On 6/12/07 5:08 PM, "Mark Wieder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> Jim-
>> 
>> Nice. Very nice.
>> 
>> Ken-
>> 
>> Is this a candidate for inclusion in the standard library?
> 
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Re: Printing an Image

[-= JB =-]

On Jun 12, 2007, at 6:07 PM, Devin Asay wrote:



On Jun 12, 2007, at 6:11 PM, -= JB =- wrote:


Thanks, that is a nice overview.  I have a few questions.

1.  You mentioned print card into pageRectangle.
I haven't tried and you didn't say but do
you know if you can use revPrintField into
a pageRectangle.


Not to my knowledge.


2. In my previous question I noted that the
Rev Manuel mentioned the Print...from form
of the print command.  Do you have any info
about the Print...from form of print command.


Only what I learned from the Rev dictionary:

print card from topLeft to rightBottom, where


The topLeft and rightBottom are points specifying the portion of the 
card to be printed. Each point consists of two integers separated by a 
comma:
	* the horizontal distance in pixels from the left edge of the card 
window to the point

* the vertical distance from the top edge to the point
If you don't specify a topLeft and rightBottom, the entire visible 
portion of the card is printed.



I don't claim to be an expert in all the subtleties of the print 
command; I simply went through the docs carefully and distilled them 
into a single document with examples for my students.


Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University


Hi Devin,

How would I use the revPrintField to print my text
in a specific area on my page like I can with the
print card commands.

I think your explanation of the print...from print command
is probably what they are talking about.  I was thinking
if was possibly a form where you could print from a file
directly without making it a control etc.  Which would be
nice.

thanks,
-=>JB<=-

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Re: Printing an Image

[Devin Asay]

On Jun 12, 2007, at 6:11 PM, -= JB =- wrote:


Thanks, that is a nice overview.  I have a few questions.

1.  You mentioned print card into pageRectangle.
I haven't tried and you didn't say but do
you know if you can use revPrintField into
a pageRectangle.


Not to my knowledge.


2. In my previous question I noted that the
Rev Manuel mentioned the Print...from form
of the print command.  Do you have any info
about the Print...from form of print command.


Only what I learned from the Rev dictionary:

print card from topLeft to rightBottom, where


The topLeft and rightBottom are points specifying the portion of the  
card to be printed. Each point consists of two integers separated by  
a comma:
	* the horizontal distance in pixels from the left edge of the card  
window to the point

* the vertical distance from the top edge to the point
If you don't specify a topLeft and rightBottom, the entire visible  
portion of the card is printed.



I don't claim to be an expert in all the subtleties of the print  
command; I simply went through the docs carefully and distilled them  
into a single document with examples for my students.


Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University

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Re: Delimiting thousandths..converting 12345678 to 12, 345, 678 for example

[Jim Ault]

Thanks for the props.
Note: the function also handles the accounting format where the "-" sign is
trailing since the decimal and beyond is held as a suffix.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


On 6/12/07 5:08 PM, "Mark Wieder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Jim-
> 
> Nice. Very nice.
> 
> Ken-
> 
> Is this a candidate for inclusion in the standard library?


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Re: Delimiting thousandths..converting 12345678 to 12, 345, 678 for example

[Ken Ray]

On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 17:08:46 -0700, Mark Wieder wrote:

> Jim-
> 
> Nice. Very nice.
> 
> Ken-
> 
> Is this a candidate for inclusion in the standard library?

Very possibly - the Rev Standard Library is being moved to the 
revInterop group so things like this can be put up for comment before 
inclusion. But once it's there, I think something like this could be 
very useful...


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
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Re: Delimiting thousandths..converting 12345678 to 12, 345, 678 for example

[Mark Wieder]

Jim-

Nice. Very nice.

Ken-

Is this a candidate for inclusion in the standard library?

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Re: Printing an Image

[-= JB =-]

On Jun 12, 2007, at 4:43 PM, Devin Asay wrote:

I created an overview of all of the printing commands and properties 
that you may find useful. It includes a few script examples:


http://revolution.byu.edu/printing/printing.php

Devin


Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University


Hi Devin,

Thanks, that is a nice overview.  I have a few questions.

1.  You mentioned print card into pageRectangle.
I haven't tried and you didn't say but do
you know if you can use revPrintField into
a pageRectangle.

2. In my previous question I noted that the
Rev Manuel mentioned the Print...from form
of the print command.  Do you have any info
about the Print...from form of print command.

thanks,
-=>JB<=-
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Re: Delimiting thousandths..converting 12345678 to 12, 345, 678 for example

[Jim Ault]

On 6/12/07 3:52 PM, "Mark E. Powell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Thank you, Ken.  Works like a charm.
> ---
> Here you go - this is based on a function that Mark Wieder created:
> 
> function formatThousands pNum,pSeparator
>   repeat with x = length(pNum)-3 to 3 step -3
> put pSeparator before char x+1 of pNum
>   end repeat
>   return pNum
> end formatThousands
> 
> To call it:
> 
>   put formatThousands("1000",",")
>   --> 10,000,000

I will offer a slight improvement to make it a bit more universal
-- neg numbers
--preceeded by $
--decimals

function formatThousands pNum,pSeparator
  repeat while char 1 of pNum is not a number then
put char 1 of pNum after holdPrefix
put char 2 to -1 of pNum into pNum
  end repeat
  set the itemDel to "."
  put item 2 of pNum into holdDec
  put item 1 of pNum into pNum
 >   repeat with x = length(pNum)-3 to 3 step -3
> put pSeparator before char x+1 of pNum
>   end repeat
  return (holdPrefix & pNum & "." & holdDec)
end formatThousands

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


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Re: Printing an Image

[Devin Asay]

On Jun 12, 2007, at 3:53 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:


Do you have any info on this or can you direct me to the best area  
to read about it.


The best way is to read other people's scripts, but finding those  
can be hit and miss. I just looked at revOnline and didn't find  
much there. There are a couple of resources in the RR material. In  
the Rev docs, click the "Getting Started" icon and then the  
Advanced tutorials. There are two printing tutorials in there, one  
on basics and one on laying out custom reports. There is also a  
tutorial online by Dan Shafer (but I've lost the link; does anyone  
have it?)


Maybe someone has a nice, fairly generic printing handler that  
could be posted here?


I created an overview of all of the printing commands and properties  
that you may find useful. It includes a few script examples:


http://revolution.byu.edu/printing/printing.php

Devin


Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University

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Re: Printing an Image

[-= JB =-]

Hi Jacqueline,

   Thank you very much for taking the time to provide
all the information related to my question.

-=>JB<=-


On Jun 12, 2007, at 2:53 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

Well, yes and no, and maybe. ;) Where do you want to place the 
objects? If they are outside the window boundaries, then yes, you'd 
have to do as you say. But note that invisible windows will still 
print fine, and that is, in fact, a popular way to set up printing 
routines. You create a stack (usually a substack made just for that 
purpose) with a layout that matches how you want your page to look. It 
can have images, objects, whatever you need. If necessary, fill any 
fields with the text you need to print. Then print the card. The 
window is never made visible, so the user never sees it. In a way, the 
printing stack acts like a print buffer.


Do you have any info on this or can you direct me to the best area to 
read about it.


The best way is to read other people's scripts, but finding those can 
be hit and miss. I just looked at revOnline and didn't find much 
there. There are a couple of resources in the RR material. In the Rev 
docs, click the "Getting Started" icon and then the Advanced 
tutorials. There are two printing tutorials in there, one on basics 
and one on laying out custom reports. There is also a tutorial online 
by Dan Shafer (but I've lost the link; does anyone have it?)


Maybe someone has a nice, fairly generic printing handler that could 
be posted here?


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HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com


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Re: OT: The iMac is... dead.

[Derek Bump]

The iMac in question is a G3/333 (M7440LL/A).  So far I've tried leaving
it unplugged for a while and still nothing.  I'm going to wait until
tomorrow before I throw it up in the store window as a display item, as
I have the "Scheduled Startup" set.


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software


Compress photos easily with JPEGCompress
www.dreamscapesoftware.com




Martin Baxter wrote:
> When you have returned from being in awe :-), you may want to check the
> iMac's lithium battery, which powers the PMU (power management unit). If
> you can say exactly which iMac it is I probably have a .pdf service
> manual for it.

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Re: OT: The iMac is... dead.

[Martin Baxter]

Derek Bump wrote:

I am in awe.  I shut down my recently acquired iMac, moved it to a
different desk, and then plugged it back in.  Now it doesn't boot at
all.  No LED lights up, no sound is made when the plug goes in.
Nothing.  Checked the power source, the power strip and the power cord.
 Nothing.



Derek,

When you have returned from being in awe :-), you may want to check the 
iMac's lithium battery, which powers the PMU (power management unit). If 
you can say exactly which iMac it is I probably have a .pdf service 
manual for it.


Martin Baxter
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Re: Delimiting thousandths..converting 12345678 to 12, 345, 678 for example

[Mark E. Powell]

Thank you, Ken.  Works like a charm.
---
Here you go - this is based on a function that Mark Wieder created:

function formatThousands pNum,pSeparator
  repeat with x = length(pNum)-3 to 3 step -3
put pSeparator before char x+1 of pNum
  end repeat
  return pNum
end formatThousands

To call it:

  put formatThousands("1000",",")
  --> 10,000,000



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Re: Delimiting thousandths..converting 12345678 to 12, 345, 678 for example

[Ken Ray]

On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 21:46:48 +, Mark E. Powell wrote:

> If there a built-in "thousandths delimit" function that takes a 
> number and inserts the appropriate delimiter (e.g. commas for USA).  
> Alternately, does someone have an idea for a really fast and 
> efficient custom function that does it?  I have maybe a hundred 
> thousand numbers at a time to convert and cannot think of how to do 
> it reliably in less than a dozen lines of code. 

Here you go - this is based on a function that Mark Wieder created:

function formatThousands pNum,pSeparator
  repeat with x = length(pNum)-3 to 3 step -3
put pSeparator before char x+1 of pNum
  end repeat
  return pNum
end formatThousands

To call it:

  put formatThousands("1000",",")
  --> 10,000,000

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Re: Printing an Image

[Joe Lewis Wilkins]

As a further clarification for those of us who like to "understand";  
not just have something "work"; Think back to all of the programs  
that create a "print spool". They are just creating an image in  
memory of what is normally being seen on the screen and then using  
that "memory" image to do the printing. As Jacque was indicating,  
absolutely no need for anything to be visible in order to print it.  
In fact, since we usually see things at a 72 dpi resolution on our  
screens, this translation is absolutely necessary if we are to print  
at the much higher resolutions available with today's printers.


Joe Wilkins

On Jun 12, 2007, at 3:02 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:


Richmond Mathewson wrote:

J. Landman Gay wrote:
"Not really,"
And the RR world needs to know something:-
There are an awful lot of "purists" about who try to
do things the "proper way".


I agree, and I didn't mean to imply one couldn't or shouldn't do it  
your way. Rev's flexibility is pretty incredible. I just didn't  
want the original poster to think that he couldn't print images  
*unless* they were in a field, which is what he assumed. (I have to  
admit your approach was original. ;))


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Re: OT: The iMac is... dead.

[Devin Asay]

On Jun 12, 2007, at 2:41 PM, Derek Bump wrote:


I am in awe.  I shut down my recently acquired iMac, moved it to a
different desk, and then plugged it back in.  Now it doesn't boot at
all.  No LED lights up, no sound is made when the plug goes in.
Nothing.  Checked the power source, the power strip and the power  
cord.

 Nothing.


Derek,

Is this a G5 iMac or an intel iMac? If so there is a way to reset the  
system management unit.
(See full artical at http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html? 
artnum=301733)


Turn off the computer by choosing Shut Down from the Apple menu, or  
by holding the power button until the computer turns off.

Unplug all cables from the computer, including the power cord.
Wait 10 seconds.
Plug in the power cord while simultaneously pressing and holding the  
power button on the back of the computer.

Let go of the power button.
Press the power button once more to start up your iMac.

Many of the earlier iMac G5s had defective power supplies. When they  
fail they often display exactly the symptoms you describe. I've had  
to replace maybe 2/3 of the iMac G5 power supplies in my labs.  
Fortunately they've all been covered by warranty or AppleCare. If the  
process above doesn't get you going, contact the dealer and have them  
check it.


HTH
Devin


Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University

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Re: Printing an Image

[J. Landman Gay]

Richmond Mathewson wrote:

J. Landman Gay wrote:

"Not really,"

And the RR world needs to know something:-

There are an awful lot of "purists" about who try to
do things the "proper way".


I agree, and I didn't mean to imply one couldn't or shouldn't do it your 
way. Rev's flexibility is pretty incredible. I just didn't want the 
original poster to think that he couldn't print images *unless* they 
were in a field, which is what he assumed. (I have to admit your 
approach was original. ;))


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Re: Printing an Image

[J. Landman Gay]

-= JB =- wrote:

The print command prints only the area of a card that is visible in the 
stack window. To print an area of a card whose objects extend beyond the 
window boundaries, either set the stack's rectangle so it's large enough 
to hold all the objects to print, or use the print...from form of the 
print command.


I am interested in printing referenced controls without seeing them 
displayed and also
positioning them where I want.  From the above statement I need to use 
the print...from form

of the print command.


Well, yes and no, and maybe. ;) Where do you want to place the objects? 
If they are outside the window boundaries, then yes, you'd have to do as 
you say. But note that invisible windows will still print fine, and that 
is, in fact, a popular way to set up printing routines. You create a 
stack (usually a substack made just for that purpose) with a layout that 
matches how you want your page to look. It can have images, objects, 
whatever you need. If necessary, fill any fields with the text you need 
to print. Then print the card. The window is never made visible, so the 
user never sees it. In a way, the printing stack acts like a print buffer.




Do you have any info on this or can you direct me to the best area to 
read about it.


The best way is to read other people's scripts, but finding those can be 
hit and miss. I just looked at revOnline and didn't find much there. 
There are a couple of resources in the RR material. In the Rev docs, 
click the "Getting Started" icon and then the Advanced tutorials. There 
are two printing tutorials in there, one on basics and one on laying out 
custom reports. There is also a tutorial online by Dan Shafer (but I've 
lost the link; does anyone have it?)


Maybe someone has a nice, fairly generic printing handler that could be 
posted here?


--
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HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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Delimiting thousandths..converting 12345678 to 12,345,678 for example

[Mark E. Powell]

If there a built-in "thousandths delimit" function that takes a number and 
inserts the appropriate delimiter (e.g. commas for USA).  Alternately, does 
someone have an idea for a really fast and efficient custom function that does 
it?  I have maybe a hundred thousand numbers at a time to convert and cannot 
think of how to do it reliably in less than a dozen lines of code.

Corollary to this question is, any way to read user's system preferences about 
which delimiter to use?

Thanks

Mark


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Printing an Image

[Richmond Mathewson]

J. Landman Gay wrote:

"Not really,"

And the RR world needs to know something:-

There are an awful lot of "purists" about who try to
do things the "proper way".

However, I spent quite a lot of my formative years on
a farm (!!!) where one mended the fence, the suctions
cups on the milking machine, the tractor connexion
pins, the baling machine with . . .

string, wire, what happened to have washed up on the
beach that week, or whatever else was lying in either
the byre or the shippon.

Now, somebody wanted to print images from a RR stack:
so I found a way; and I don't care whether it is the
"proper" way, or the "officially approved" way; the
way works.

Long explanations are all well and good; but when I
want to get on with things I reach for the good, old,
orange baler twine.

Love, Richmond




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Re: OT: The iMac is... dead.

[Scott Rossi]

Recently, Derek Bump wrote:

> I am in awe.  I shut down my recently acquired iMac, moved it to a
> different desk, and then plugged it back in.  Now it doesn't boot at
> all.  No LED lights up, no sound is made when the plug goes in.
> Nothing.  Checked the power source, the power strip and the power cord.
>  Nothing.

Possibly related:

I have an eMac, which is left on all the time.  When the power is
interrupted (due to power outage), the machine often refuses to startup.
The one solution I've found is to unplug the unit for about 5 minutes, and
then try again to power up.  So far, this has worked every time the unit
refuses to start.  Not sure why...

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design


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OT: The iMac is... dead.

[Derek Bump]

I am in awe.  I shut down my recently acquired iMac, moved it to a
different desk, and then plugged it back in.  Now it doesn't boot at
all.  No LED lights up, no sound is made when the plug goes in.
Nothing.  Checked the power source, the power strip and the power cord.
 Nothing.

I'm starting to think that something is stopping me from developing on
the Macintosh again.  What can happen next?!


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software


Compress photos easily with JPEGCompress
www.dreamscapesoftware.com


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Re: Ken Burns (was Re: Ripple)

[Jeff Reynolds]

David,

If you want something nice and very fast, try a ken burns slide show  
just use iphoto and dump it out as a quicktime movie. The joke with  
my video producer is how amazingly well iphoto does just guessing on  
pan and scans. its a bit creepy, kind of like those segues that  
itunes does on shuffle all the time. it takes a bit of time to do the  
pan and scans in final cut (we do them for exhibits) and i photo does  
them with three or four mouse clicks! We often give iphoto a shot  
first as its sometimes good enough if we are in a real hurry and  
doing the job as an extra. we get raves from the clients and have to  
embarrassingly admit it was not our genius... My video producer comes  
fro amazed m a large format still background so is very picky about  
how stills are used and i was when i first talked to her about what  
iphoto does and she sheepishly admitted that she had done a couple of  
slide shows for family that she didn't have the time to do herself  
and was amazed at the quality she got out.


I use it all the time at our japanese model train display and it  
always seems to get the direction the train is moving and do the pan  
in that direction and not perpendicular to it. and it usually zooms  
in and and out on the front of the train...


cheers,

Jeffrey Reynolds


On Jun 12, 2007, at 11:34 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
wrote:


Along these lines - I'm doing some image experiments. First is zoom  
- which
is OK but not perfect - as the image magnifies a lot I need to crop  
it so
that it does not get too huge in memory. One of the aims is to do a  
Ken
Burns type effect i a slide show. The problem is getting the  
transitions

fast enough and yet smooth enough.


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Re: Where do I find Revonline?

[Michael Binder]

Hi Eric, You wrote:


Hi Michael,Why are you so negative?
I know that a completely new "RevOnline" is in the works
but can't tell you when it will be ready.


Oops, sorry about the negativism... its not my usual self.
Actually I am quite positive about rev.  That's why I invested
in a studio license (just less than 10 weeks ago).  One thing
that influenced my decision to invest was the online community.
(I saw a few names that I remember from my hypercard usenet days)
One thing that almost influenced my decision the other way is
the poor documentation.  Actually, I didn't fully understand
just how bad the documentation was when I did buy into rev.

I have spoken glowingly of rev to some of my friends, but when
they begin to investigate the rev website they do not get a
good impression.  There is out of date news, newsletter
archives are not up to date, etc.  When they download the trial
version they get to discover that rev online is not kept up,
the documentation is not complete, etc.   If I were the
king of Rev, I would be a little more concerned about the
first impressions that my web site gives.


In the meantime, there are two plugins that might help you:

Broadband connection recommended for both.


I only dream of these things.  I live in a mountainous
rural area without broadband. I am stuck with a dialup
connection that only gets about 19k (even with a 56k
modem).  More than most of you, I depend on the resources
that I downloaded with rev (I drove to the city in order
to download rev).

Anyway, I am sorry to be negative.  I am trying to be
positive and contribute to the list.  Even contributing
to the list is an exercise in frustration for me because
of my dialup connection.  (I get the digest version)

--Michael Binder

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Re: Ken Burns (was Re: Ripple)

[Trevor DeVore]

On Jun 12, 2007, at 8:25 AM, David Bovill wrote:

OK - so my question is can Trevors existing external apply Core  
Image Units
to QuickTime files so that QuickTime can take advantage of them  
using Core

video?


It cannot. It only adds the built-in QT effects mentioned in the docs.


If not how hard would it be to add, because then we could take
advantage of the hardware accelerated effect on still images via  
the Player

object?


I'm not aware of any APIs in QuickTime that work with Core Image. The  
stuff you export from Quartz Composer uses Core Image I believe and  
that plays back in QT but I think that is a special track as opposed  
to individual filters in QT.



--
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
www.bluemangolearning.com-www.screensteps.com
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Re: Asynchronous upload via post?

[David Bovill]

Yes - that was my question :)

On 12/06/07, Mark Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Andre, have you found a way to shell() on OS X without blocking?



The only way i can think of doing this is a separate application in its own
process and IAC - can be done in Rev but still
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Re: Ken Burns (was Re: Ripple)

[David Bovill]

True - still I think for some applications a very slow, or slowish, subtle
movement will work fine to add attention to an image - it just must be very
smooth?
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Re: Easy, readable and fast text based format for Rev?

[David Bovill]

Wow - really I'll take a look - when I had to write something for vCards /
iCal it was a really really nasty format to parse reliably!

On 12/06/07, Andre Garzia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


David,

a format I like is the vObject format used by vCards and iCalendar files.

It's easy and allow for grouping, name/value pairs and attributes.

I made a alpha library that you can check. My routines have some bugs
as many pointed out but I can't really focus on that library right
now.

go url "http://www.soapdog.org/vObjectPackage.rev";

This library also contains the RFC for the formats, this should give
you a nice idea of how to make your own objetcs.

;-)

The JSON object format is quite nice too, did someone created a
parser/generator for that in Rev yet?

Andre


On 6/12/07, David Bovill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Based on the simple but fast philosophy of JSON - I'm looking at
defining a
> text based format which is readable, non binary and as fast as possible
for
> Rev to parse. I want like JSON to throw away all those pesky XML tags.
>
> Now I can't remember the details but JSON and YAML I think use a simple
> "name [delim] value" type notation - but keeping things completely flat
(no
> nesting). At the moment (see below) I am using a tab character for the
> delimiter - I tried others but this seems to work for readability and
> flexibility.
>
> The notation i am thinking of therefore are simple lines like the
following
> (think of " [tab] " as just a single tab character):
>
> name [tab] david
> > height [tab] 6ft 2inches
> > biography [tab]
footballwhatever
> > notes [tab] flattened htmltext
> > photo [tab] base64ofAnImage
> >
>
> I've been using this format for some things for a while - but thinking
of
> going with it for a large project. The idea is for XML to strip out any
> white space - flatten it into one line - here are some of the (hoped
for)
> advantages:
>
>- for htmltext that means just "replace CR" - setting it does not
>require the CR so its fast.
>- It also means you can split and combine the format into arrays for
>fast processing.
>- Sending the data around, as messages, over socket / the wire is
fine
>- As a text format I can use subversion to keep incremental backups
>- I seem to be able to nest it indefinitley by using base64 encoding
>of an entire chunk
>- It is fast to convert to XML, JSON or other formats
>
> I am not sure about using [tab] - but it just seems to work. Comments
> appreciated.
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Re: Asynchronous upload via post?

[Mark Smith]

Andre, have you found a way to shell() on OS X without blocking? The  
appending of " &" at the end of the shell string doesn't seem to work  
from within Rev, here.


Best,

Mark

On 12 Jun 2007, at 17:57, Andre Garzia wrote:


David,

if your on *nix (and that includes Mac OS X) then you can shell() to
curl or wget to post... if you assemble a nice curl command you can
upload your data and check it periodically by reading a log file or by
reading from process. (reading from logfile is easier)

Cheers
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Re: Asynchronous upload via post?

[Andre Garzia]

David,

if your on *nix (and that includes Mac OS X) then you can shell() to
curl or wget to post... if you assemble a nice curl command you can
upload your data and check it periodically by reading a log file or by
reading from process. (reading from logfile is easier)

Cheers
andre

On 6/12/07, David Bovill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

You can load a url and you can do asynch ftp upload - but how about if you
want to send a large amount of data to a remote location without using ftp?
Can you do an "asynch post"? I guess you could do an asynch ftp upload and
then a quick sychronous post on completion - any thoughts?
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Re: Ken Burns (was Re: Ripple)

[Scott Rossi]

Recently, David Bovill wrote:

> One of the aims is to do a Ken
> Burns type effect i a slide show. The problem is getting the transitions
> fast enough and yet smooth enough.

A worthy goal, though I doubt Rev will ever be able to do this natively for
images of any size.  It's simply too slow to update when displaying movement
of images that change in size and/or transparency.  Perhaps QuickTime will
lead to a solution via the effects others mentioned, or using Trevor's EQT
external.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design


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Asynchronous upload via post?

[Peter Alcibiades]

Not exactly sure what you want to do but

http://www.fefe.de/ncp/

and woof

might be interesting.  You need Python installed for woof.  I was thinking 
about using woof over a LAN, but on the whole a usb stick seemed it would 
take less of a toll on the users

Peter
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Re: Easy, readable and fast text based format for Rev?

[Andre Garzia]

David,

a format I like is the vObject format used by vCards and iCalendar files.

It's easy and allow for grouping, name/value pairs and attributes.

I made a alpha library that you can check. My routines have some bugs
as many pointed out but I can't really focus on that library right
now.

   go url "http://www.soapdog.org/vObjectPackage.rev";

This library also contains the RFC for the formats, this should give
you a nice idea of how to make your own objetcs.

;-)

The JSON object format is quite nice too, did someone created a
parser/generator for that in Rev yet?

Andre


On 6/12/07, David Bovill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Based on the simple but fast philosophy of JSON - I'm looking at defining a
text based format which is readable, non binary and as fast as possible for
Rev to parse. I want like JSON to throw away all those pesky XML tags.

Now I can't remember the details but JSON and YAML I think use a simple
"name [delim] value" type notation - but keeping things completely flat (no
nesting). At the moment (see below) I am using a tab character for the
delimiter - I tried others but this seems to work for readability and
flexibility.

The notation i am thinking of therefore are simple lines like the following
(think of " [tab] " as just a single tab character):

name [tab] david
> height [tab] 6ft 2inches
> biography [tab] footballwhatever
> notes [tab] flattened htmltext
> photo [tab] base64ofAnImage
>

I've been using this format for some things for a while - but thinking of
going with it for a large project. The idea is for XML to strip out any
white space - flatten it into one line - here are some of the (hoped for)
advantages:

   - for htmltext that means just "replace CR" - setting it does not
   require the CR so its fast.
   - It also means you can split and combine the format into arrays for
   fast processing.
   - Sending the data around, as messages, over socket / the wire is fine
   - As a text format I can use subversion to keep incremental backups
   - I seem to be able to nest it indefinitley by using base64 encoding
   of an entire chunk
   - It is fast to convert to XML, JSON or other formats

I am not sure about using [tab] - but it just seems to work. Comments
appreciated.
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Re: Easy, readable and fast text based format for Rev?

[wayne durden]

If for any reason the tab character proves to be unusable, you might choose
the "pipe" character "|" just above the enter key with the backslash.  I too
like simple name/value schemes for data where possible.  Generally they're
much, much faster than parsing xml if nesting isn't an issue.  As an aside,
I recently read a comment by will shipley of Delicious Monster where he was
responding to criticism regarding the "Delicious Generation" eye candy trend
where he was discussing improvements to the Delicious Library application.
It turns out per his comment that the primary reason it bogged down with
larger collections was related to writing out all the xml info, and he was
moving to a DBMS backend.  For those with longevity in the field, plain text
name/value or header/body approaches have worked in the past for large large
sets on machines with far less capabilities.  The move to XML irritated me
because it put the onus of ordering the data to fit a consumer on the
producer in an "expensive" way in the name of advancing an ephemeral common
exchange.  I have always felt that the producer should put out the data in
the easiest method and if it is of sufficient value to the consumer, then
the parsing could be handled from that end...  Generally, it will be in the
interest of both sides, but there are far faster grouping and parsing
methods than full xml for most kinds of data sets.  Real time trading apps
used to run quite fast on simple name value data exchange, but with the
introduction of xml getting the communication right means wading through
pages of crud delimiters  I pine for the simpler times

Wayne


On 6/12/07, David Bovill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On 12/06/07, Jim Ault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> The Rev filter command is very fast and I would recommend considering
it.
> The one caution is to replace null with empty, if this is a possible
> character.


That would only be in binary data? Databases? When would you get null
values
- certainly nothing from within Rev I think? Not in XML?

In my case, some of the content text can have "<" or "/" or ">" in the
body,
> so I avoid those.  You seem to have control of your content, so it will
> not
> be problem for you.


Same with me -  content comes mainly from within a Rev application, or
carefully picked external files, I am thinking of base64 encoding
everything
else - though I have to figure on whether to use urlEncoding (forgotten
the
issues). I am trying to figure which sort of text / xml files I will need
to
encode - maybe any XML files with CDATA sections

Arrays are very fast and can remove duplicates.
> Also think of compound keys for the arrays, which I use for
> forward+reverse
> lookups in the same array.
>
> Moving data around, consider built-in
> compress(var)
> decomprerss(var)


Yes. So if there is a 3 part strategy:

   1. Safe one line stuff without funny chars = > create "name [tab]
   value" line
   2. htmltext and some other types of "xml" ish data without tabs -
   strip out CR and do as above
   3. Anything else base64 encode (or should that be urlEncode)

I am not clear yet on the details of XML without CDATA - with regard to
non-existence of tabs and CR in content? Are they always escaped - if so
then stripping out CR and maybe tab as well to make one line works.
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Re: Ripple

[Phil Davis]

Brent Anderson wrote:

Hello.

For perhaps an even better effect, you could have a slight gradient on 
the rings themselves. By Doing so, the rings would achieve a slight 
amount of depth making them even more realistic.


One simple thing you can do in the code to move the effect toward this is:

on resetRing
  ...
  set height of pRing to 30 -- existing line of code
  set lineSize of pRing to 8 -- my inserted line
  ...
end resetRing


on ripple
  ...
  set rect of pRing to tRect -- existing line of code
  put lineSize of pRing into x -- my inserted line
  set lineSize of pRing to x+1 -- my inserted line
  ...
end ripple


I really should be working... but it's Scott's fault. His visual things are way 
too seductive.  :o)


Phil Davis




Either way, very well done. Very cool effect.

Thanks,
Brent Anderson

On Jun 12, 2007, at 2:09 AM, Scott Rossi wrote:

Just for fun, here's a little experiment that duplicates an old Flash 
trick
of creating a simple ripple effect in an image, like random drops 
hitting a

water surface and expanding outward.  The effect is accomplished by using
two images, one in front, one in back which is slightly enlarged, and 
three

oval graphics which act as masks to show the underlying image.

I've always wanted to do this in Rev but was unable to accomplish the 
effect

until the ink effects were updated in the engine (requires Rev 2.7 or
later).

In your message box:

 go url "http://www.tactilemedia.com/download/ripple.rev";

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design


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test

[eddie d]

my messages don't seem to get trough. maybe this one does?
 if it doesn't you can't read this.
if it does
you can.
so what does that mean?
it means it does

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Asynchronous upload via post?

[David Bovill]

You can load a url and you can do asynch ftp upload - but how about if you
want to send a large amount of data to a remote location without using ftp?
Can you do an "asynch post"? I guess you could do an asynch ftp upload and
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Re: Easy, readable and fast text based format for Rev?

[David Bovill]

On 12/06/07, Jim Ault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


The Rev filter command is very fast and I would recommend considering it.
The one caution is to replace null with empty, if this is a possible
character.



That would only be in binary data? Databases? When would you get null values
- certainly nothing from within Rev I think? Not in XML?

In my case, some of the content text can have "<" or "/" or ">" in the body,

so I avoid those.  You seem to have control of your content, so it will
not
be problem for you.



Same with me -  content comes mainly from within a Rev application, or
carefully picked external files, I am thinking of base64 encoding everything
else - though I have to figure on whether to use urlEncoding (forgotten the
issues). I am trying to figure which sort of text / xml files I will need to
encode - maybe any XML files with CDATA sections

Arrays are very fast and can remove duplicates.

Also think of compound keys for the arrays, which I use for
forward+reverse
lookups in the same array.

Moving data around, consider built-in
compress(var)
decomprerss(var)



Yes. So if there is a 3 part strategy:

  1. Safe one line stuff without funny chars = > create "name [tab]
  value" line
  2. htmltext and some other types of "xml" ish data without tabs -
  strip out CR and do as above
  3. Anything else base64 encode (or should that be urlEncode)

I am not clear yet on the details of XML without CDATA - with regard to
non-existence of tabs and CR in content? Are they always escaped - if so
then stripping out CR and maybe tab as well to make one line works.
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AW: AW: Where do I find Revonline?

[Tiemo Hollmann TB]

Thanks Jim, very helpful!
Tiemo

-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Jim Ault
Gesendet: Dienstag, 12. Juni 2007 17:13
An: How to use Revolution
Betreff: Re: AW: Where do I find Revonline?


On 6/12/07 7:30 AM, "Tiemo Hollmann TB" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Oh my good, Klaus heureka, a new menu item :)) searched the web up and
down
> but didn't get the idea to look for the closest...
> Thanks Tiemo 

Also
Menu:View:ToolBar Text  
Menu:View:ToolBar Icons  

Also ---   (fast and very easy)
Menu:Help:Documentation
then click 'Search'
then mousedown on third icon which is a dropdown  menu
choose "RevOnline"
then type "eric"
--> Eric Chatonet & Frederic Rinaldi are the 22 matches
then click once to pop up a verbose description of the stack

try "image" == 21 matches
try "xml" == 5 matches
try "rotat" == 3 matches
try "clock" == 4 matches
try " filter" == 8 matches

Upload your own tricks and tips.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas



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Re: Ripple

[Ken Ray]

On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 01:09:25 -0700, Scott Rossi wrote:

>  go url "http://www.tactilemedia.com/download/ripple.rev";

Very cool, Scott! And the code is really straightforward... 

:-)

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
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Re: Printing an Image

[-= JB =-]

On Jun 12, 2007, at 8:09 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

Not really, and actually that's the exception and not normally used. 
There's really only one print command in Revolution: print card. The 
revPrintText and revPrintField commands are actually custom handlers 
in the IDE that do a lot of the work for you, but when you break them 
down into their components, they both boil down to using "print card".


There isn't such a thing as printing a particular control, you just 
print the card that the control is placed on. See the dictionary entry 
for "print card". There are many variations you can use. The simplest 
way uses no parameters at all and prints the card exactly as it is on 
screen, but you can also print only a specified portion of the card, 
or scale the printout to fit within a particular rectangle. Or you can 
print several (or parts of several) different cards into the same 
printing rectangle on paper -- that's how the Rev print handlers 
create headers and footers.


When using the documentation, the best way if you don't know what 
you're looking for is to just search for the most common word that 
describes what you want to do. In this case, a search for "print" 
would do it.


--
Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED]
HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com


Hi Jacqueline,

Thanks!  Your info was very valuable.  Here is a point made in the 
dictionary.


The print command prints only the area of a card that is visible in the 
stack window. To print an area of a card whose objects extend beyond 
the window boundaries, either set the stack's rectangle so it's large 
enough to hold all the objects to print, or use the print...from form 
of the print command.


I am interested in printing referenced controls without seeing them 
displayed and also
positioning them where I want.  From the above statement I need to use 
the print...from form

of the print command.

Do you have any info on this or can you direct me to the best area to 
read about it.


-=>JB<=-


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Re: Easy, readable and fast text based format for Rev?

[Jim Ault]

The Rev filter command is very fast and I would recommend considering it.
The one caution is to replace null with empty, if this is a possible
character.

I often use
replace delim with cr & delim in textBlock
filter textBlock with "*"&tab & "wordToKeep" & tab & "*"

I use tab most frequently, but charToNum(3) works for an invisible char.
Visible chars I use numToChar(160), (161) for nesting.

In my case, some of the content text can have "<" or "/" or ">" in the body,
so I avoid those.  You seem to have control of your content, so it will not
be problem for you.

Arrays are very fast and can remove duplicates.
Also think of compound keys for the arrays, which I use for forward+reverse
lookups in the same array.

Moving data around, consider built-in
compress(var)
decomprerss(var)

Fun stuff

Jim Ault
Las Vegas





On 6/12/07 7:54 AM, "David Bovill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Based on the simple but fast philosophy of JSON - I'm looking at defining a
> text based format which is readable, non binary and as fast as possible for
> Rev to parse. I want like JSON to throw away all those pesky XML tags.
> 
> Now I can't remember the details but JSON and YAML I think use a simple
> "name [delim] value" type notation - but keeping things completely flat (no
> nesting). At the moment (see below) I am using a tab character for the
> delimiter - I tried others but this seems to work for readability and
> flexibility.
> 
> The notation i am thinking of therefore are simple lines like the following
> (think of " [tab] " as just a single tab character):
> 
> name [tab] david
>> height [tab] 6ft 2inches
>> biography [tab] footballwhatever
>> notes [tab] flattened htmltext
>> photo [tab] base64ofAnImage
>> 
> 
> I've been using this format for some things for a while - but thinking of
> going with it for a large project. The idea is for XML to strip out any
> white space - flatten it into one line - here are some of the (hoped for)
> advantages:
> 
>- for htmltext that means just "replace CR" - setting it does not
>require the CR so its fast.
>- It also means you can split and combine the format into arrays for
>fast processing.
>- Sending the data around, as messages, over socket / the wire is fine
>- As a text format I can use subversion to keep incremental backups
>- I seem to be able to nest it indefinitley by using base64 encoding
>of an entire chunk
>- It is fast to convert to XML, JSON or other formats
> 
> I am not sure about using [tab] - but it just seems to work. Comments
> appreciated.


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Re: Ken Burns (was Re: Ripple)

[David Bovill]

OK - so my question is can Trevors existing external apply Core Image Units
to QuickTime files so that QuickTime can take advantage of them using Core
video? If not how hard would it be to add, because then we could take
advantage of the hardware accelerated effect on still images via the Player
object?
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Re: Ken Burns (was Re: Ripple)

[Ian Wood]

On 12 Jun 2007, at 14:38, David Bovill wrote:


Hi Ian can you clarify - I've not read too deep on this:


I'll have a go. ;-)

QuickTime has a set of built-in transitions (*and* a set of built-in  
filters), going back many years (QT3?). These transitions and filters  
are available to any app using the QT APIs, and the filters can be  
seen when exporting movies from QT Pro, exactly the same as the ones  
in Trevor's external.
All of these use the CPU, and the transitions can be pretty rough  
with large areas and slower CPUs.


Core Image is a totally separate API that leverages the graphics card  
processor, but QT (in Tiger and above) is able to *play* them. They  
still aren't QT effects, though.


Basically there are two separate sets of filters and transitions  
available to Tiger, which cover quite a bit of the same ground.


Hope that helps a bit,

Ian
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Re: Ripple

[J. Landman Gay]

Scott Rossi wrote:

Just for fun, here's a little experiment that duplicates an old Flash trick
of creating a simple ripple effect in an image, like random drops hitting a
water surface and expanding outward. 


Too cool! As always. :)

--
Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED]
HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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Re: AW: Where do I find Revonline?

[Jim Ault]

On 6/12/07 7:30 AM, "Tiemo Hollmann TB" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Oh my good, Klaus heureka, a new menu item :)) searched the web up and down
> but didn't get the idea to look for the closest...
> Thanks Tiemo 

Also
Menu:View:ToolBar Text  
Menu:View:ToolBar Icons  

Also ---   (fast and very easy)
Menu:Help:Documentation
then click 'Search'
then mousedown on third icon which is a dropdown  menu
choose "RevOnline"
then type "eric"
--> Eric Chatonet & Frederic Rinaldi are the 22 matches
then click once to pop up a verbose description of the stack

try "image" == 21 matches
try "xml" == 5 matches
try "rotat" == 3 matches
try "clock" == 4 matches
try " filter" == 8 matches

Upload your own tricks and tips.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas



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Re: Easy, readable and fast text based format for Rev?

[Mark Smith]

So it's simply name/value pairs. UrlEncoding might be worth  
considering - will deal with any line-ending stuff, and since it  
encodes tab to "%09" should allow for nesting?


Not that it would necessarily matter, but I've generally used "=" as  
the name/value delimiter in such cases.


Best,

Mark

On 12 Jun 2007, at 15:54, David Bovill wrote:

Based on the simple but fast philosophy of JSON - I'm looking at  
defining a
text based format which is readable, non binary and as fast as  
possible for

Rev to parse. I want like JSON to throw away all those pesky XML tags.

Now I can't remember the details but JSON and YAML I think use a  
simple
"name [delim] value" type notation - but keeping things completely  
flat (no

nesting). At the moment (see below) I am using a tab character for the
delimiter - I tried others but this seems to work for readability and
flexibility.

The notation i am thinking of therefore are simple lines like the  
following

(think of " [tab] " as just a single tab character):

name [tab] david

height [tab] 6ft 2inches
biography [tab] footballwhateverinterests>

notes [tab] flattened htmltext
photo [tab] base64ofAnImage



I've been using this format for some things for a while - but  
thinking of
going with it for a large project. The idea is for XML to strip out  
any
white space - flatten it into one line - here are some of the  
(hoped for)

advantages:

  - for htmltext that means just "replace CR" - setting it does not
  require the CR so its fast.
  - It also means you can split and combine the format into arrays for
  fast processing.
  - Sending the data around, as messages, over socket / the wire is  
fine

  - As a text format I can use subversion to keep incremental backups
  - I seem to be able to nest it indefinitley by using base64 encoding
  of an entire chunk
  - It is fast to convert to XML, JSON or other formats

I am not sure about using [tab] - but it just seems to work. Comments
appreciated.
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Re: Printing an Image

[J. Landman Gay]

-= JB =- wrote:

Hi Richmond,

Thanks.  I downloaded the stack and it does
print.  So apparently the image needs to be
in a field to be printed.


Not really, and actually that's the exception and not normally used. 
There's really only one print command in Revolution: print card. The 
revPrintText and revPrintField commands are actually custom handlers in 
the IDE that do a lot of the work for you, but when you break them down 
into their components, they both boil down to using "print card".


There isn't such a thing as printing a particular control, you just 
print the card that the control is placed on. See the dictionary entry 
for "print card". There are many variations you can use. The simplest 
way uses no parameters at all and prints the card exactly as it is on 
screen, but you can also print only a specified portion of the card, or 
scale the printout to fit within a particular rectangle. Or you can 
print several (or parts of several) different cards into the same 
printing rectangle on paper -- that's how the Rev print handlers create 
headers and footers.


When using the documentation, the best way if you don't know what you're 
looking for is to just search for the most common word that describes 
what you want to do. In this case, a search for "print" would do it.


--
Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED]
HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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Re: Ripple

[Brent Anderson]

Hello.

For perhaps an even better effect, you could have a slight gradient  
on the rings themselves. By Doing so, the rings would achieve a  
slight amount of depth making them even more realistic.


Either way, very well done. Very cool effect.

Thanks,
Brent Anderson

On Jun 12, 2007, at 2:09 AM, Scott Rossi wrote:

Just for fun, here's a little experiment that duplicates an old  
Flash trick
of creating a simple ripple effect in an image, like random drops  
hitting a
water surface and expanding outward.  The effect is accomplished by  
using
two images, one in front, one in back which is slightly enlarged,  
and three

oval graphics which act as masks to show the underlying image.

I've always wanted to do this in Rev but was unable to accomplish  
the effect

until the ink effects were updated in the engine (requires Rev 2.7 or
later).

In your message box:

 go url "http://www.tactilemedia.com/download/ripple.rev";

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design


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Re: Where do I find Revonline?

[Scott Kane]

From: "Eric Chatonet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Why are you so negative?

I know that a completely new "RevOnline" is in the works but can't  tell you 
when it will be ready.


In the meantime, there are two plugins that might help you:

1. Rev Online Picker 1.0, a sophisticated Rev Online browser to find and 
display the stack you need


+1 for Eric's Rev Online Picker and associated stacks!!

Scott Kane


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Easy, readable and fast text based format for Rev?

[David Bovill]

Based on the simple but fast philosophy of JSON - I'm looking at defining a
text based format which is readable, non binary and as fast as possible for
Rev to parse. I want like JSON to throw away all those pesky XML tags.

Now I can't remember the details but JSON and YAML I think use a simple
"name [delim] value" type notation - but keeping things completely flat (no
nesting). At the moment (see below) I am using a tab character for the
delimiter - I tried others but this seems to work for readability and
flexibility.

The notation i am thinking of therefore are simple lines like the following
(think of " [tab] " as just a single tab character):

name [tab] david

height [tab] 6ft 2inches
biography [tab] footballwhatever
notes [tab] flattened htmltext
photo [tab] base64ofAnImage



I've been using this format for some things for a while - but thinking of
going with it for a large project. The idea is for XML to strip out any
white space - flatten it into one line - here are some of the (hoped for)
advantages:

  - for htmltext that means just "replace CR" - setting it does not
  require the CR so its fast.
  - It also means you can split and combine the format into arrays for
  fast processing.
  - Sending the data around, as messages, over socket / the wire is fine
  - As a text format I can use subversion to keep incremental backups
  - I seem to be able to nest it indefinitley by using base64 encoding
  of an entire chunk
  - It is fast to convert to XML, JSON or other formats

I am not sure about using [tab] - but it just seems to work. Comments
appreciated.
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Re: Where do I find Revonline?

[Eric Chatonet]

Hi Michael,

Why are you so negative?
I know that a completely new "RevOnline" is in the works but can't  
tell you when it will be ready.


In the meantime, there are two plugins that might help you:

1. Rev Online Picker 1.0, a sophisticated Rev Online browser to find  
and display the stack you need
Rev Online Picker works in a single window that displays all stacks  
available from Rev Online by category, those uploaded since your last  
check, all descriptions and allows to display them directly from the  
web.

Safe and annulable download process.
Search tool by author, stack name or keyword and sorting.
Note: Rev Online Picker works with any 2.x version (2.5 or later not  
required).


2. Rev Online Watcher 1.0, a new Rev Online stacks warning agent
Rev Online Watcher informs you discreetly at Revolution startup when  
new stacks have been uploaded to Rev Online.
If you have Rev Online Picker (above), Rev Online Watcher can open  
directly Rev Online Picker "New Ones" tab.


Broadband connection recommended for both.

You will find them by going to http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/.
Revolution/Plugins section.

Le 12 juin 07 à 16:41, Michael Binder a écrit :


Hi Tiemo,
when you get there, click on 'Latest News'.  You will be
thrilled to learn that Rev version 2.7 has just been released.

The user spaces are a valuable resource, but it looks like
the rev team has abandoned rev online.   Come to think of
it, it seems that they have also abandoned the user manual.

--Michael Binder


Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.

Plugins and tutorials for Revolution: http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]/



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Re: Where do I find Revonline?

[Michael Binder]

Hi Tiemo,
when you get there, click on 'Latest News'.  You will be
thrilled to learn that Rev version 2.7 has just been released.

The user spaces are a valuable resource, but it looks like
the rev team has abandoned rev online.   Come to think of
it, it seems that they have also abandoned the user manual.

--Michael Binder

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AW: Where do I find Revonline?

[Tiemo Hollmann TB]

Oh my good, Klaus heureka, a new menu item :)) searched the web up and down
but didn't get the idea to look for the closest...
Thanks Tiemo

-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Klaus Major
Gesendet: Dienstag, 12. Juni 2007 16:21
An: How to use Revolution
Betreff: Re: Where do I find Revonline?

Hi Tiemo,

> Hello, I have searched the archives and revdeveloper.com, but I  
> don't know
> where to find RevOnline? Could someone point me to it?

Menü: Development -> Revolution Online

:-)

> Thank you
>
> Tiemo

Best

Klaus Major
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.major-k.de


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Re: Where do I find Revonline?

[Klaus Major]

Hi Tiemo,

Hello, I have searched the archives and revdeveloper.com, but I  
don't know

where to find RevOnline? Could someone point me to it?


Menü: Development -> Revolution Online

:-)


Thank you

Tiemo


Best

Klaus Major
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.major-k.de


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Where do I find Revonline?

[Tiemo Hollmann TB]

Hello, I have searched the archives and revdeveloper.com, but I don't know
where to find RevOnline? Could someone point me to it?

Thank you

Tiemo

 

 

 

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Re: Ken Burns (was Re: Ripple)

[David Bovill]

Hi Ian can you clarify - I've not read too deep on this:

On 12/06/07, Ian Wood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



Core Image Fun House lets you use *Core Image* filters - nothing to
do with QuickTime, and strictly OS X 10.4 and above.

Core Image transitions are already available in Rev (again, strictly
OS X 10.4 and above), but I agree *strongly* about making CI filters
available natively in Rev for image processing.



Yes then we could all make apps like this:
http://www.stone.com/iMaginator/Quick_Start.html

That is are not Core Image "filters" and  "transitions" both available to
QuickTime. From Trevors EQT documentation:

command qtAddFilter MovieControllerID, EffectType, StartTime, EndTime
Description:
Adds a filter to the specified time of a movie.
...
EffectType: Type to add (blur, sharpen, edgedetect, emboss, convolve,
alphagain, rgbcolorbalance, hslcolorbalance, colorsync, filmnoise, solarize,
colortint, lensflare)


From playing with Quartz Composer my impression has been the "Image Units"

used in Core Image can be used in QuickTime - OK so only on tiger and above
on OSX - but still...



Some References

And this from : http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/coreimage/

And Core Video allows developers to apply all the benefits of Core Image to
video — blazingly-fast performance of filters and effects, per-pixel
accuracy and hardware scalability.
Tiger includes the following Image Units:

Blur

  - Median Blur
  - Gaussian Blur
  - Motion Blur
  - Zoom Blur
  - Noise Reduction

Color Adjustment Filters

  - Color Controls
  - Color Matrix
  - Exposure Adjust
  - Gamma Adjust
  - Hue Adjust
  - White Point Adjust
  - Color Cube

Color Filters

  - Color Map
  - Color Invert
  - Color Monochrome
  - Color Posterize
  - False Color
  - Sepia Tone
  - Mask to Alpha

Compositing Filters

  - Addition
  - Maximum
  - Minimum
  - Multiply
  - Source Atop
  - Source In
  - Source Out
  - Source Over

Gradient Filters

  - Gaussian Gradient
  - Linear Gradient
  - Radial Gradient

Sharpen Filters

  - Sharpen Luminance
  - Unsharp Mask

Distortion Filters

  - Pinch Distortion
  - Hole Distortion
  - Bump Distortion
  - Displacement Distortion
  - Glass Distortion
  - Glass Lozenge
  - Torus Lens Distortion
  - Twirl Distortion
  - Vortex Distortion
  - Circle Splash Distortion
  - Circular Wrap Distortion

Generator Filters

  - Checkerboard
  - Constant Color
  - Lenticular Halo
  - Star Shine
  - Stripes
  - Sunbeams
  - Random Generator

Color Blend Mode

  - Color Dodge Blend Mode
  - Color Burn Blend Mode
  - Darken Blend Mode
  - Difference Blend Mode
  - Exclusion Blend Mode
  - Hard Light Blend Mode
  - Hue Blend Mode
  - Lighten Blend Mode
  - Luminosity Blend Mode
  - Multiply Blend Mode
  - Overlay Blend Mode
  - Saturation Blend Mode
  - Screen Blend Mode
  - Soft Light Blend Mode
  - Color Blend Mode

Geometry Filters

  - Affine Transform
  - Crop
  - Perspective Transform
  - Lanczos Scale Transform

Halftone Filters

  - CMYK Halftone
  - Circular Screen
  - Dot Screen
  - Hatched Screen
  - Line Screen

Stylish Filters

  - Blend with Mask
  - Edge Work
  - Height Field from Mask
  - Pointillize
  - Shaded Material
  - Bloom
  - Edges
  - Gloom
  - Pixellate
  - Spot Light
  - Crystallize

Tile Filters

  - Affine Clamp
  - Affine Tile
  - Op Tile
  - Parallelogram Tile
  - Perspective Tile
  - Triangle Tile
  - Kaleidoscope

Transition Filters

  - Page Curl
  - Copy Machine
  - Dissolve
  - Flash
  - Mod
  - Ripple
  - Swipe
  - Disintegrate with Mask


Also this from : http://developer.apple.com/macosx/coreimage.html

Not Just for Still Images


Core Video, joining Core Image in Mac OS X Tiger, delivers a modern
foundation for video services, providing a bridge between QuickTime and the
Quartz Core framework for hardware-accelerated video processing. In the same
way that you can insert filters into the rendering pipeline for images, you
can insert filters into the video display pipeline. Like Core Image, a Core
Video pipeline reduces CPU load and increases performance for other
operations. And Core Video allows developers to apply all the benefits of
Core Image to video—blazingly fast performance of filters and effects,
per-pixel accuracy and hardware scalability.


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Adequate bug prevention - a little clarification

[Bob Warren]

I said:

>I would suggest that the best way of offsetting the costs incurred by 
really adequate bug prevention is to involve the users in the production 
process.


---
For those who don't know how this is done by Ubuntu, I'd just like to 
make it clear that this does NOT involve the users having access to 
coding, i.e. it is the simple testing of alpha and beta "standalones" 
and bug-reporting through the normal channels.


One of the great advantages of this is that the producers can add 
features one by one and get the public to test their functioning and 
integration within the whole (or a whole) framework. The burden on the 
last-stage beta ("cleaning up the mess the chef has made in the 
kitchen") is therefore alleviated, and the users really have the feeling 
of useful contribution.


It's worth considering.

Bob

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Re: Ken Burns (was Re: Ripple)

[Ian Wood]

On 12 Jun 2007, at 13:57, David Bovill wrote:

Another thing I haven't tried - partly as i keep thinking Rev will  
add this
as a feature is to be able to do QuickTime based transforms like  
you can do
with "Core Image fun House". There is the sampler stack for using  
QuickTime
for transitions - but I think it would probably be more useful to  
be able to
do this for images - then you could export and save all sorts of  
dynamic

mods of the image.


Core Image Fun House lets you use *Core Image* filters - nothing to  
do with QuickTime, and strictly OS X 10.4 and above.


Core Image transitions are already available in Rev (again, strictly  
OS X 10.4 and above), but I agree *strongly* about making CI filters  
available natively in Rev for image processing.


Ian
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Ken Burns (was Re: Ripple)

[David Bovill]

Very nice Scott!

Along these lines - I'm doing some image experiments. First is zoom - which
is OK but not perfect - as the image magnifies a lot I need to crop it so
that it does not get too huge in memory. One of the aims is to do a Ken
Burns type effect i a slide show. The problem is getting the transitions
fast enough and yet smooth enough.

Chipp - I know you looked at that - did you get anywhere? Any suggestions as
to which inks, or QT effect are best to use between movements (if any)?

Another thing I haven't tried - partly as i keep thinking Rev will add this
as a feature is to be able to do QuickTime based transforms like you can do
with "Core Image fun House". There is the sampler stack for using QuickTime
for transitions - but I think it would probably be more useful to be able to
do this for images - then you could export and save all sorts of dynamic
mods of the image.

A hack i was thinking of for now was to use Trevors external and add
transitions to the QT movie of a still image - then exporting the image -
I've not tried it yet - any thought on this?


On 12/06/07, Scott Rossi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Just for fun, here's a little experiment that duplicates an old Flash
trick
of creating a simple ripple effect in an image, like random drops hitting
a
water surface and expanding outward.  The effect is accomplished by using
two images, one in front, one in back which is slightly enlarged, and
three
oval graphics which act as masks to show the underlying image.

I've always wanted to do this in Rev but was unable to accomplish the
effect
until the ink effects were updated in the engine (requires Rev 2.7 or
later).

In your message box:

go url "http://www.tactilemedia.com/download/ripple.rev";

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design


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Re: Hobbyists vs Pros

[Robert Brenstein]

Lastly I'll mention this. I am a hobbyist 3D user:


I make no money from it, but enjoy using the tool, Vue6-Infinite, immensely.
I also participate in a number of the 3D forums (Renderosity, CGTalk, etc..)
and I find the loudest complainers against Vue6 are other hobbyists. This
isn't meant to say all hobbyists are complainers, just that most of the
disgruntled are not making a living in 3D. I have my own theories why this
is.

-Chipp


Could the difference that accounts for some of it in case of 3D 
programs as well as Rev and others be the level of immersion?


Robert
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Re: Printing an Image

[-= JB =-]

Hi Richmond,

Thanks.  I downloaded the stack and it does
print.  So apparently the image needs to be
in a field to be printed.

I wonder if there is a way to call it and print it
without putting it in a field.  I'm glad that you
posted the stack and info it is a great help.

-=>JB<=-


On Jun 12, 2007, at 4:47 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:


Well, it took me 15 minutes to work out:

let us suppose I have a stack with 1 card containing
an inage called "Z" and a field called "fHOLDER"

plonk the following script in a button:

on mouseUp
  set the imageSource of char 1 of line 1 of field
"fHOLDER" to "Z"
  revPrintField ("field" && fHOLDER)
end mouseUp

and everything works!

uploaded demo stack "PICPRINT" to RevOnline.

Love, Richmond



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Re: custom color chooser

[Jan Sælid]

Thanks for the answers and thank you Richmond.

That was precicely what I was looking for.

I just wanted a custom color chooser that I could hack. The system  
specific chooser that "answer color" pops up does not suit my needs. I'm  
glad I didn't have to explain what I was going to do.


Salute

Jan
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RE: PayPal tutorial

[Robert Mann]

Tom, 
Searching the archives I found a libUrl.rev that should work with the Linux
engine I have running in the cgi-bin

My rev app is database driven so I started to take your info in the text
files and put it into the database, when and if I get it working I will post
the info

Thanks
Rob


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas
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Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 7:37 AM
To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com
Subject: PayPal tutorial


Robert, I'll check my site (when I have time!) but in the meantime you
should just make your own LibUrl.rev stack.

It's a stack that handles internet protocols. Look in the archives for where
to get it. David Cragg maintains it.

My tutorial mentions that it must be set up for your version of rev. 
I first got this working over at iPowerWeb (i think) using a Unix server
(and hence Unix rev). The LibUrl stack worked fine as is.

When I moved to Dreamhost and Linux, I had trouble and David Cragg helped me
out by telling me which lines I had to comment out from the LibURL stack
script.

I've been meaning to update this for a while. I actually made a stack that
will take care of a lot of this for you Now where did I put it!

From: "Robert Mann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: Mac Icon problem

Tom,

Thank for a great tutorial on how to get paypal to work with rev. I am
attempting to get it working with my new app, but looking over the files you
have posted the

http://www.discamus.com/nunc/how/myLibUrl.rev

returns a file not found, and you say you need this to POST, what is in this
file?



Thanks

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Printing an Image

[Richmond Mathewson]

Well, it took me 15 minutes to work out:

let us suppose I have a stack with 1 card containing
an inage called "Z" and a field called "fHOLDER"

plonk the following script in a button:

on mouseUp
  set the imageSource of char 1 of line 1 of field
"fHOLDER" to "Z"
  revPrintField ("field" && fHOLDER)
end mouseUp

and everything works!

uploaded demo stack "PICPRINT" to RevOnline.

Love, Richmond



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Re: Printed Rev Dictionary - WAS: Re: Re-2: Check if folder (or file) exists under XP

[Luis]

Ooops!! Forgot to mention: Printed in Landscape on A4, on other  
formats YMMV.


Cheers,

Luis.


On 12 Jun 2007, at 12:08, Luis wrote:


Hiya,

I've made myself an Excel sheet with the current (2.8.1) Dictionary  
exported. It's very simple, the column names are Keyword, Type and  
Syntax (the Syntax is a little truncated in cases, but you can get  
the general idea).
It's good for getting an overall picture of the available entries  
and their syntax.


I print 4 pages to a sheet of paper for a total of 12 sheets,  
staples easily. The print size is readable.
It's a 200KBish file. If anyone's interested I can post it up on my  
site.


If you want it as CSV I can post that up too.

Cheers,

Luis.


On 11 Jun 2007, at 23:15, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Thanks Ian,
thanks Ken,

for the fast answers! I already worried, that i conld not continue  
this evening...


Damn, i need a printed rev dictionary. That would make some things  
much easier for me.


Matthias

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Subject: Re: Check if folder (or file) exists under XP (11- 
Jun-2007 23:38)

From:Ian Wood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]


'if there is a file (insertpathhere)' and 'if there is a folder
(insertpathhere)'.

Ian

On 11 Jun 2007, at 22:15, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


is there a command/function in rev, which checks if a folder or
file exists under windows xp?


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Printed Rev Dictionary - WAS: Re: Re-2: Check if folder (or file) exists under XP

[Luis]

Hiya,

I've made myself an Excel sheet with the current (2.8.1) Dictionary  
exported. It's very simple, the column names are Keyword, Type and  
Syntax (the Syntax is a little truncated in cases, but you can get  
the general idea).
It's good for getting an overall picture of the available entries and  
their syntax.


I print 4 pages to a sheet of paper for a total of 12 sheets, staples  
easily. The print size is readable.
It's a 200KBish file. If anyone's interested I can post it up on my  
site.


If you want it as CSV I can post that up too.

Cheers,

Luis.


On 11 Jun 2007, at 23:15, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Thanks Ian,
thanks Ken,

for the fast answers! I already worried, that i conld not continue  
this evening...


Damn, i need a printed rev dictionary. That would make some things  
much easier for me.


Matthias

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Subject: Re: Check if folder (or file) exists under XP (11-Jun-2007  
23:38)

From:Ian Wood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]


'if there is a file (insertpathhere)' and 'if there is a folder
(insertpathhere)'.

Ian

On 11 Jun 2007, at 22:15, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


is there a command/function in rev, which checks if a folder or
file exists under windows xp?


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Re: Printing an Image

[-= JB =-]

On Jun 12, 2007, at 3:29 AM, Michael Binder wrote:


The manual isn't much help, if I recall.  You probably
want some variant of the "Print Card" command.  Check
the rev dictionary.  For printing your image, try:

get the rect of image "myImage" of card "mycard"
put item 1 to 2 of it into topleft
put item 3 to 4 of it into bottomright
print card "mycard" from topleft to bottomright

--Michael Binder


   Thanks Michael!  I will give it a try.  When you say
   the manuel isn't much help with printing images
   I would have to say you are being very nice to the
   Rev Team who wrote or one might say didn't write
   about printing images.

   -=>JB<=-

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Re: line wraps

[Kay C Lan]

On 6/11/07, Ken Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



Depending on the line you want to check, you can use the
'formattedText' property - which will return you the data from the
field with hard returns where it has wrapped naturally.



Brilliant. I didn't appreciate this about the 'formattedText'. I've had a
stack for ages with a workaround that is 99% OK, but by using the
'formattedText' it comes up perfect:-)

Thanks for expanding my knowledge
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Re: Printing an Image

[Michael Binder]

Hi JB,
you wrote:

I imported and image as a control and now I am
trying to print it. 
 How do I print it?  All of
the revPrint commands appear to be for fields
and text.  Where is printing images discussed
in the Rev Manuel.


The manual isn't much help, if I recall.  You probably
want some variant of the "Print Card" command.  Check
the rev dictionary.  For printing your image, try:

get the rect of image "myImage" of card "mycard"
put item 1 to 2 of it into topleft
put item 3 to 4 of it into bottomright
print card "mycard" from topleft to bottomright

--Michael Binder

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Printing an Image

[-= JB =-]

I imported and image as a control and now I am
trying to print it.  If I am right many  objects are
a control and this includes fields.  I can print the
text in a field with styles.  But I am not sure how
to print the image I imported and is it in a field
or what is it called.

The image is id 1025.  How do I print it?  All of
the revPrint commands appear to be for fields
and text.  Where is printing images discussed
in the Rev Manuel.

-=>JB<=-

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custom color chooser

[Richmond Mathewson]

I have a feeling that:

on mouseUp
answer color
end mouseUp

does not launch a "custom color chooser or wheel made
in revolution"

it does, however, launch the colour chooser of the
operating system where RR is being used.

Pop over to my Yahoo Group:

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/RRgraphix

and download "CREF.rev.zip " or "CREFMO.rev.zip " for
HACKABLE colour choosers!

love, Richmond



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Re: Ripple

[Scott Morrow]

Scott,

Very groovy!  Thanks for sharing that (and all your other great stuff.)


-Scott Morrow

Elementary Software
(Now with 20% less chalk dust !)
web http://elementarysoftware.com/
email   [EMAIL PROTECTED]

-

On Jun 12, 2007, at 1:09 AM, Scott Rossi wrote:

Just for fun, here's a little experiment that duplicates an old  
Flash trick
of creating a simple ripple effect in an image, like random drops  
hitting a
water surface and expanding outward.  The effect is accomplished by  
using
two images, one in front, one in back which is slightly enlarged,  
and three

oval graphics which act as masks to show the underlying image.

I've always wanted to do this in Rev but was unable to accomplish  
the effect

until the ink effects were updated in the engine (requires Rev 2.7 or
later).

In your message box:

 go url "http://www.tactilemedia.com/download/ripple.rev";

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design


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Ripple

[Scott Rossi]

Just for fun, here's a little experiment that duplicates an old Flash trick
of creating a simple ripple effect in an image, like random drops hitting a
water surface and expanding outward.  The effect is accomplished by using
two images, one in front, one in back which is slightly enlarged, and three
oval graphics which act as masks to show the underlying image.

I've always wanted to do this in Rev but was unable to accomplish the effect
until the ink effects were updated in the engine (requires Rev 2.7 or
later).

In your message box:

 go url "http://www.tactilemedia.com/download/ripple.rev";

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design


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