Re: GIF question...

[David Flanders]

Hi Chip, Nick

 I was just wondering for the sake of playing a low overhead gif  
animation on the web.  I've got a gif animator but it's clutsy and  
chunky and doesn't go down well...  Thought I might make a smoother  
flavor.


thanks

David

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On Mar 12, 2008, at 11:28 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:


As Nicolas say, yes, RR supports playing them.

No, other than exporting a single image as GIF, there is no known  
way to

export an animated GIF in RunRev.

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Hi,

 Can we create animated GIF's in RunRev?  Will RR support
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Re: Reminder: objects cannot be copied when stack is password-protected!!! Even in a standalone. Grrrrrr....

[Jim Sims]

On Mar 12, 2008, at 8:46 PM, Josh Mellicker wrote:

Setting the passkey in the preOpenStack script (or other startup  
script) certainly allows a project (wherein objects need to be  
copied) to function normally. But now that preOpenStack messages get  
sent in the IDE in dp-5, I realize this technique of setting the  
passkey defeats part of the purpose of password-protecting a stack,  
since scripts can be viewed in the IDE (since simply opening the  
stack in the IDE unprotects it).




Would using the environment function help you?

if the environment is "standalone application" then


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Re: [OT] "They Criticized Vista. And They Should Know."

[David Coker]

On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 10:48 PM, Richard Gaskin
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Chipp Walters wrote:
>  > IMO, one of the most interesting parts of the new Office interface, is it's
>  > complete disdain for the past. In fact, ask any user of pre-2007 Office how
>  > to simply Open or Print a document, and they're confounded. The old "File,
>  > Edit, ..." menu structure is just GONE. Completely. Replaced by a round
>  > bubble with 1970 pop graphics on it, which doesn't even look like a button.
>  > By my calculation, they saved around 70 pixels in the menu area. Love to
>  > been a fly on the wall in THAT meeting!

I work for an Internet based company that is much to my discontent, a
true blue "Windows shop. As such, I recently purchased Office 2007
primarily for use for the times I have to do work while at home. After
getting accustomed to using it, I actually prefer the "ribbon
navigation system. With that said, I can only think of two compelling
reasons to jump into Office 2007 otherwise:

1. When the company owner starts sending you business documents that
you cannot open, that seem to be very compelling...

2. The expansion of Excel 2007 to accommodate a million rows of data
in the same sheet. You can say goodbye to the need to labor at
splitting large data files into multiple documents just to get real
work done efficiently!

David
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Re: [OT] "They Criticized Vista. And They Should Know."

[Richard Gaskin]

Chipp Walters wrote:

IMO, one of the most interesting parts of the new Office interface, is it's
complete disdain for the past. In fact, ask any user of pre-2007 Office how
to simply Open or Print a document, and they're confounded. The old "File,
Edit, ..." menu structure is just GONE. Completely. Replaced by a round
bubble with 1970 pop graphics on it, which doesn't even look like a button.
By my calculation, they saved around 70 pixels in the menu area. Love to
been a fly on the wall in THAT meeting!



Here ya' go:
http://blogs.msdn.com/jensenh/

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Re: Push button strangeness?

[Chipp Walters]

You can also use ButtonGaget2, which works as a plugin inside of Rev:
www.buttongadget.com

-Chipp

On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 8:06 PM, Scott Rossi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
>  2) create and script your own controls using images and/or graphics.
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Re: GIF question...

[Chipp Walters]

As Nicolas say, yes, RR supports playing them.

No, other than exporting a single image as GIF, there is no known way to
export an animated GIF in RunRev.

On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 8:31 PM, David Flanders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Hi,
>
>  Can we create animated GIF's in RunRev?  Will RR support
> playing of animated GIF's?
>
>
>
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Re: GIF question...

[Nicolas Cueto]

Yes.

For more info, in the Rev documents see the properties:

frameCount
currentFrame
repeatCount

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Re: [OT] "They Criticized Vista. And They Should Know."

[Chipp Walters]

IMO, one of the most interesting parts of the new Office interface, is it's
complete disdain for the past. In fact, ask any user of pre-2007 Office how
to simply Open or Print a document, and they're confounded. The old "File,
Edit, ..." menu structure is just GONE. Completely. Replaced by a round
bubble with 1970 pop graphics on it, which doesn't even look like a button.
By my calculation, they saved around 70 pixels in the menu area. Love to
been a fly on the wall in THAT meeting!

Of course both Apple and MS are guilty of writing a set standard of GUI
interface guidelines, then completely ignoring them. IMO, that's really
funny.

On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 9:17 PM, Lynn Fredricks <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> Its funny Chipp, but I got my first, first hand look at this at CES 2007
> and
> that is really what struck me the most.
>
> At the time was thinking about huge corporations that have settled in on
> using Office, or various government agencies. Even fairly mild updates,
> like
> Office 97->2000, there's a lot of training that usually takes place to get
> everyone up to speed. But then there's this ribbon thing. What additional
> value is anyone going to get from this to justify the cost of all that
> training?
>
>
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RE: [OT] "They Criticized Vista. And They Should Know."

[Lynn Fredricks]

> The simple fact is, there is ZERO compelling reason for the 
> average user to want to upgrade. Period. That's pretty sorry 
> for five plus years in development.
> 
> With regard to Office, it's not the OS, but a completely 
> different interface. So instead of evolutionary, it's 
> revolutionary. And, IMO, while some things are better, some 
> others are worse-- evidenced the the fact most everyone I 
> know of complain when first using it. We've already had 
> discussions here on the list regarding 'ribbons' and whether 
> or not people like them. In any case, we'll have to wait and see.

Its funny Chipp, but I got my first, first hand look at this at CES 2007 and
that is really what struck me the most. 

At the time was thinking about huge corporations that have settled in on
using Office, or various government agencies. Even fairly mild updates, like
Office 97->2000, there's a lot of training that usually takes place to get
everyone up to speed. But then there's this ribbon thing. What additional
value is anyone going to get from this to justify the cost of all that
training?

Even when there are compeling new features (and I don't see them in 2007), a
developer is going to take a hit when a stalwart and known UI gets junked.

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
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Re: [OT] "They Criticized Vista. And They Should Know."

[Chipp Walters]

Hi Tom,
Nope, I haven't, but I'll ask Chris about it, and hopefully let you know
what he says.

best,
Chipp

On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 9:12 PM, Thomas McGrath III <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Chipp, others,
>
> I tried to open google docs in my REV browser and it said I needed to
> use a more up to date browser. BUT it will open in Safari. I think it
> is a catch all error though since on the web in safari it needs to or
> wants to open a new window.
>
> Has anyone or yourself tried to access google docs in revBrowser?
>
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Re: [OT] "They Criticized Vista. And They Should Know."

[Chipp Walters]

Let me get this straight. You're telling me the most noteworthy CEO
performer of all time, keeps all his charity contributions a secret, EXCEPT
for those done for the Democratic Party. Right.

Frankly, I doubt any of the school children aided by the 2 billion dollars
care WHY they are the beneficiary of it. Heck, Guilt is also a reason people
give handouts to homeless on street corners. Is that so bad?

All said, I would assume, if Steve ever steps down from Apple, he may
consider launching his own foundation.

On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 8:59 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Interesting article; but, as it also points out, the RECORD doesn't
> necessarily tell the whole story, since those with bad/evil images are
> the ones who need to make PUBLIC their good deeds in order to attempt
> to "fix" things, much as the philandering spouse who unexpectedly
> brings home roses for his wife is often an indication of his having
> done her wrong. Guilt creates all sorts of "good deed doers"
> attempting to balance the scales of justice. IMHO!
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Re: [OT] "They Criticized Vista. And They Should Know."

[Thomas McGrath III]

Chipp, others,

I tried to open google docs in my REV browser and it said I needed to  
use a more up to date browser. BUT it will open in Safari. I think it  
is a catch all error though since on the web in safari it needs to or  
wants to open a new window.


Has anyone or yourself tried to access google docs in revBrowser?

Tom McG


On Mar 12, 2008, at 10:53 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:



Frankly, I'm a big Google Docs user. I can get most of what I need  
from
their suite of office apps, plus I can share them with others,  
easily post
PowerPoint presentations online, and create simple spreadsheets.  
I've even

got around to writing proposals on Google Docs.


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Re: [OT] "They Criticized Vista. And They Should Know."

[Joe Lewis Wilkins]

Interesting article; but, as it also points out, the RECORD doesn't  
necessarily tell the whole story, since those with bad/evil images are  
the ones who need to make PUBLIC their good deeds in order to attempt  
to "fix" things, much as the philandering spouse who unexpectedly  
brings home roses for his wife is often an indication of his having  
done her wrong. Guilt creates all sorts of "good deed doers"  
attempting to balance the scales of justice. IMHO!


Joe Wilkins

On Mar 12, 2008, at 7:43 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:

On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 1:37 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:



Jim, I love it. Of course, I love all sorts of conspiracy theories -
even the really stupid ones. After the kinds of things Gates pulled,
initially, he would have deserved such treatment. (smile)



No arguing Gates has pulled some stunts in the past, but he  
certainly seems
focused on improving his legacy. Witness his truly philanthropic  
change of
identiy where through his foundation he's already given close to $2  
billion
to schools here in the US. And that doesn't even cover his  
international

work.

And this quote on art technica comparing him with Jobs.

"Gates is giving away his fortune with the same gusto he spent  
acquiring it,
throwing billions of dollars at solving global health problems. He  
has also
spoken out on major policy issues, for example, by opposing  
proposals to cut

back the inheritance tax.  In contrast, Jobs does not appear on any
charitable contribution lists of note. And Jobs has said nary a word  
on
behalf of important social issues, reserving his talents of  
persuasion for

selling Apple products."

Not to mention this interesting article on Jobs vs Gates at wired:
http://www.wired.com/gadgets/mac/commentary/cultofmac/2006/01/70072

Furthermore, after the iPhone proprietary SDK was released, this was  
found

on the popular Engadget blog:

"Who would of thought that after the 1984 Apple Superbowl  
commercial, that

Apple would become the big talking head and we'd become the little guy
standing up against Steve's draconian rule."
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Re: [OT] "They Criticized Vista. And They Should Know."

[Chipp Walters]

No kidding. The simple fact is, it's an inferior product at this time. WinXP
takes less memory, and generally work much faster.

One of the issues as I see it is MS took what...5 years to release this,
compared to Apple's regular release around every 2 years? Compound it with
the contradiction Apple *generally* releases an OS focused on helping the
Consumer get work done, while Vista (other than it's eye candy interface),
provides little if any incentive for folks like me to want to upgrade. And
it's typically those on the cutting edge AND NOT THE BLEEDING EDGE that tend
to help migrate others.

I find Apple always has some nice 'gotta have right now' features for each
upgrade---Vista, IMO, has none.

The simple fact is, there is ZERO compelling reason for the average user to
want to upgrade. Period. That's pretty sorry for five plus years in
development.

With regard to Office, it's not the OS, but a completely different
interface. So instead of evolutionary, it's revolutionary. And, IMO, while
some things are better, some others are worse-- evidenced the the fact most
everyone I know of complain when first using it. We've already had
discussions here on the list regarding 'ribbons' and whether or not people
like them. In any case, we'll have to wait and see.

Frankly, I'm a big Google Docs user. I can get most of what I need from
their suite of office apps, plus I can share them with others, easily post
PowerPoint presentations online, and create simple spreadsheets. I've even
got around to writing proposals on Google Docs.

Good article, Scott. Thanks for pointing it out!

-Chipp
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Re: [OT] "They Criticized Vista. And They Should Know."

[Chipp Walters]

On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 1:37 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Jim, I love it. Of course, I love all sorts of conspiracy theories -
> even the really stupid ones. After the kinds of things Gates pulled,
> initially, he would have deserved such treatment. (smile)


No arguing Gates has pulled some stunts in the past, but he certainly seems
focused on improving his legacy. Witness his truly philanthropic change of
identiy where through his foundation he's already given close to $2 billion
to schools here in the US. And that doesn't even cover his international
work.

And this quote on art technica comparing him with Jobs.

"Gates is giving away his fortune with the same gusto he spent acquiring it,
throwing billions of dollars at solving global health problems. He has also
spoken out on major policy issues, for example, by opposing proposals to cut
back the inheritance tax.  In contrast, Jobs does not appear on any
charitable contribution lists of note. And Jobs has said nary a word on
behalf of important social issues, reserving his talents of persuasion for
selling Apple products."

Not to mention this interesting article on Jobs vs Gates at wired:
http://www.wired.com/gadgets/mac/commentary/cultofmac/2006/01/70072

Furthermore, after the iPhone proprietary SDK was released, this was found
on the popular Engadget blog:

"Who would of thought that after the 1984 Apple Superbowl commercial, that
Apple would become the big talking head and we'd become the little guy
standing up against Steve's draconian rule."
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GIF question...

[David Flanders]

Hi,

 Can we create animated GIF's in RunRev?  Will RR support  
playing of animated GIF's?


Let me know.

tia

David

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Re: question regarding print out of objects listing from the application browser

[Richard Gaskin]

mfstuart wrote:
> I looked up the Documentation for export snapshot and found that
> you need to use the windowID property of the stack in the export
> snapshot line to get images of the stack or card, in this case.
> But first place the windowID into a variable:
>
>   put the windowID of this stack into vWinID
>   repeat with x = 1 to the number of cds
> go cd x
> put "c:/temp/snapshot" & x & ".png" into tfilename
> export snapshot from rect (the rect of cd x) of window \
> vWinID to file tfilename as PNG
>  end repeat

Unless the card needs some initialization in your scripts, you can 
export its image without having to go to it:


  export snapshot from cd x of this stack
 to file tfilename as png


Mark W. made that extension to the export snapshot command a couple 
versions back (2.7?), and it's simplified so many things here.  It used 
to be that snapshots got their stuff from the general display buffer, 
which meant that you couldn't have any other windows overlapping the 
region of interest.  Then Mark changed the way snapshots work when he 
revamped the whole buffering scheme, so now when you use the new object 
specifier option it causes the object to be rendered into its own 
offscreen buffer, and that image data is what's delivered as the 
resulting image.


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Re: Push button strangeness?

[Stephen Barncard]

And Mr. Rossi is too humble to say, but his  custom controls are 
quite amazing, functional and beautiful.



Recently, Bruce A. Pokras wrote:


 I have never heard anyone talk about this, but it seems very strange.
 A Push Button under Mac OS X looks like an Aqua button, but when I
 add color to the button it becomes a Square Button. What gives???


Rev doesn't offer the ability to colorize or otherwise skin any system-drawn
(or system emulated) controls.  Attempting to apply any appearance changes
to a button results in the behavior you describe, as the stock buttons are
the only objects that can be customized.  To get custom buttons, you can
either 1) create your own button state images and assign them to buttons as
icons (in the docs, see the icon, hiliteIcon, hoverIcon, etc properties), or
2) create and script your own controls using images and/or graphics.

(I'm hoping to demo a solution based on the latter at the upcoming RevLive
Conference in Las Vegas.)

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design


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Re: question regarding print out of objects listing from the application browser

[J. Landman Gay]

mfstuart wrote:

Hi Jacqueline and Sadhunathan,

Testing Jacqueline's script on WinXP, I found the "from rect (the rect of
this cd)" value is from the top right of the monitor, (for the size of the
card) not from the top right of the stack or card.
So in the image you end up with the screen back ground, the RunRev menu bar,
and some of the stack as the screen shot, in my case.

I looked up the Documentation for export snapshot and found that you need to
use the windowID property of the stack in the export snapshot line to get
images of the stack or card, in this case.
But first place the windowID into a variable:

  put the windowID of this stack into vWinID
  repeat with x = 1 to the number of cds
go cd x
put "c:/temp/snapshot" & x & ".png" into tfilename
export snapshot from rect (the rect of cd x) of window vWinID to file
tfilename as PNG
  end repeat


Thanks, I shouldn't have posted it without testing first. Glad you put 
the correction into the record.


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Re: Push button strangeness?

[Scott Rossi]

Recently, Bruce A. Pokras wrote:

> I have never heard anyone talk about this, but it seems very strange.
> A Push Button under Mac OS X looks like an Aqua button, but when I
> add color to the button it becomes a Square Button. What gives???

Rev doesn't offer the ability to colorize or otherwise skin any system-drawn
(or system emulated) controls.  Attempting to apply any appearance changes
to a button results in the behavior you describe, as the stock buttons are
the only objects that can be customized.  To get custom buttons, you can
either 1) create your own button state images and assign them to buttons as
icons (in the docs, see the icon, hiliteIcon, hoverIcon, etc properties), or
2) create and script your own controls using images and/or graphics.

(I'm hoping to demo a solution based on the latter at the upcoming RevLive
Conference in Las Vegas.)

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design


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Re: Push button strangeness?

[Mark Schonewille]

Hi Bruce,

This is normal behaviour. As soon as you add colour, it is no longer a  
native control and can't be displayed as such.


Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

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On 13 mrt 2008, at 01:44, Bruce A. Pokras wrote:

I have never heard anyone talk about this, but it seems very  
strange. A Push Button under Mac OS X looks like an Aqua button, but  
when I add color to the button it becomes a Square Button. What  
gives???


Regards,

Bruce Pokras
Blazing Dawn Software
www.blazingdawn.com
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


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RE: CGI's on a linux server

[Michael Doub]

I got the engine from the revolution site in the current folder.  Since
2.6.1 is the most current folder I am assuming that I picked up the 2.6.1
engine.  Is there an easy way to verify?

Also where might I get a 2.8.x engine?

-= Mike


-Original Message-
From: Andre Garzia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 4:05 PM
To: How to use Revolution; Michael Doub
Subject: Re: CGI's on a linux server

Michael,

did you solved this? I suspect that the permissions are wrong, or that
the stackfile format is wrong. The correct permission is 755. I don't
think the rockets cgi stackfile is saved in the new format, just in
case, I've uploaded new version that I am sure is in the old stack
file format.

What revolution version are you using on your server? If you're using
any 2.6.x series and the stack is in the new 2.8.x series, then you
need a old stack file format version. You can open it in the IDE and
save as legacy version or you can download a new copy from my site.

best
Andre

On 3/11/08, Michael Doub <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have been able to install the current engine on my ISP's linux server in
>  cgi-bin and am able to run the simple hello world script.  I am now
trying
>  to take the next step in having my script "start using" another stack but
I
>  am having difficulties.
>
>
>
>  #!revolution
>
>  global gDataA
>
>  on startup
>
>   start using stack "rocketscgi.rev"
>
>   put the defaultFolder into foo
>
>   cgiOutput foo
>
>  end startup
>
>
>
>  This is generating the following message in the server log:
>
>
>
>  [Tue Mar 11 20:56:49 2008] [error] [client 99.236.160.190] Premature end
of
>  script headers: /home/doub/public_html/cgi-bin/helloworld.cgi
>
>  /home/doub/public_html/cgi-bin/revolution: Script execution error at line
4,
>  column 9
>
>
>
>  I have tried numerous permissions on the "rocketscgi.rev" stack file and
as
>  you can see have even tied to force the name to all lower case.
>
>
>
>  Can someone advise me as to what the permission of a stack should be?
>
>
>
>  Also the following script returns the correct path to cgi-bin:
>
>
>
>  #!revolution
>
>  global gDataA
>
>  on startup
>
>  --  start using stack "rocketscgi.rev"
>
>   put the defaultFolder into foo
>
>   cgiOutput foo
>
>  end startup
>
>
>
>  on cgiOutput pBody
>
> if param(2) is not empty then
>
> put param(2) into tMimeType
>
> else
>
> put "text/html" into tMimeType
>
> end if
>
> put "Content-Type: "& tMimeType & cr
>
> put "Date:" && the internet date & cr
>
> put "Host:" && $SERVER_NAME & cr
>
> put "Content-Length:" && the length of pBody & cr & cr
>
> put pBody
>
> if the environment is not "development" then quit
>
>  end cgiOutput
>
>
>
>  I am quite sure I am missing something simple, but I am currently
stumped.
>
>
>
>  -= Mike
>
>
>
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Push button strangeness?

[Bruce A. Pokras]

I have never heard anyone talk about this, but it seems very strange. 
A Push Button under Mac OS X looks like an Aqua button, but when I 
add color to the button it becomes a Square Button. What gives???


Regards,

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Re: question regarding print out of objects listing from the application browser

[mfstuart]

Hi Jacqueline and Sadhunathan,

Testing Jacqueline's script on WinXP, I found the "from rect (the rect of
this cd)" value is from the top right of the monitor, (for the size of the
card) not from the top right of the stack or card.
So in the image you end up with the screen back ground, the RunRev menu bar,
and some of the stack as the screen shot, in my case.

I looked up the Documentation for export snapshot and found that you need to
use the windowID property of the stack in the export snapshot line to get
images of the stack or card, in this case.
But first place the windowID into a variable:

  put the windowID of this stack into vWinID
  repeat with x = 1 to the number of cds
go cd x
put "c:/temp/snapshot" & x & ".png" into tfilename
export snapshot from rect (the rect of cd x) of window vWinID to file
tfilename as PNG
  end repeat

HTH,
Mark Stuart



J. Landman Gay wrote:
> 
> Sadhunathan Nadesan wrote:
> 
>> I could take screen shots with Irfanview,
>> write up a word doc in Open Office, and export to PDF.  
> 
> You could automate the screenshot part in Revolution so you don't need 
> to do it manually. Rev offers lots of ways to get screenshots out of 
> your stack, and you can control what is exported -- either the entire 
> card, or just a portion of it.
> 
> You'd want to run a repeat loop that goes to each card sequentially and 
> issues the "export snapshot" command. For example, to get the whole 
> card, use:
> 
> repeat with x = 1 to the number of cds
>   go cd x
>   put "snapshot" & x & ".jpg" into tfilename
>   export snapshot from rect (the rect of this cd) to file tfilename as
> JPEG
> end repeat
> 
> You can, of course, change the export file format to any that Rev 
> supports. This should give you a series of screen shots in just a few 
> seconds.
> 
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Re: Possible bug with internet time on servers?

[Richard Gaskin]

Mark Wieder wrote:


Richard-


Dreamhost is based in Los Angeles, yet when my CGIs hosted there use
"the internet date" the time zone portion is always "+", e.g.:

  Wed, 12 Mar 2008 08:42:26 +

Is there a valid reason that should be the case, or is this a bug in the
engine in which it's failing to get the appropriate info from the host OS?


Seems to be a linux engine bug. The internet date returns a time of zero 
locally as well.


Thanks for the confirmation - now logged for folks' voting pleasure:




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Re: Possible bug with internet time on servers?

[Mark Wieder]

Richard-

> Dreamhost is based in Los Angeles, yet when my CGIs hosted there use
> "the internet date" the time zone portion is always "+", e.g.:
>
>   Wed, 12 Mar 2008 08:42:26 +
>
> Is there a valid reason that should be the case, or is this a bug in the
> engine in which it's failing to get the appropriate info from the host OS?

Seems to be a linux engine bug. The internet date returns a time of zero 
locally as well.

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Re: Tutorials on using Arrays in REV

[Thomas McGrath III]

Thanks devin,

I will check them out. What I need is deep arrays or .syntax I think  
or a creative mix of customProps and arrays.


Tom McG


On Mar 12, 2008, at 11:00 AM, Devin Asay wrote:


On Mar 12, 2008, at 8:23 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:


I found the Array Docs!

Since I had to go back to 2.8.3 I have been using the user guide  
from there which has blank entries for both XML and Arrrays in Rev.


I just opened the newer version of the User Guide in the newer  
version of Rev and there is a lot of new info on these and a lot of  
other things as well.


Tom,

You may find my tutorial on arrays useful, too.

http://revolution.byu.edu/arrays/introToArrays.php

Regards,

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University

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Possible bug with internet time on servers?

[Richard Gaskin]

Dreamhost is based in Los Angeles, yet when my CGIs hosted there use
"the internet date" the time zone portion is always "+", e.g.:

  Wed, 12 Mar 2008 08:42:26 +

Is there a valid reason that should be the case, or is this a bug in the
engine in which it's failing to get the appropriate info from the host OS?

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Re: question regarding print out of objects listing from the application browser

[J. Landman Gay]

Sadhunathan Nadesan wrote:


I could take screen shots with Irfanview,
write up a word doc in Open Office, and export to PDF.  


You could automate the screenshot part in Revolution so you don't need 
to do it manually. Rev offers lots of ways to get screenshots out of 
your stack, and you can control what is exported -- either the entire 
card, or just a portion of it.


You'd want to run a repeat loop that goes to each card sequentially and 
issues the "export snapshot" command. For example, to get the whole 
card, use:


repeat with x = 1 to the number of cds
 go cd x
 put "snapshot" & x & ".jpg" into tfilename
 export snapshot from rect (the rect of this cd) to file tfilename as JPEG
end repeat

You can, of course, change the export file format to any that Rev 
supports. This should give you a series of screen shots in just a few 
seconds.


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Re: CGI's on a linux server

[Andre Garzia]

Michael,

did you solved this? I suspect that the permissions are wrong, or that
the stackfile format is wrong. The correct permission is 755. I don't
think the rockets cgi stackfile is saved in the new format, just in
case, I've uploaded new version that I am sure is in the old stack
file format.

What revolution version are you using on your server? If you're using
any 2.6.x series and the stack is in the new 2.8.x series, then you
need a old stack file format version. You can open it in the IDE and
save as legacy version or you can download a new copy from my site.

best
Andre

On 3/11/08, Michael Doub <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have been able to install the current engine on my ISP's linux server in
>  cgi-bin and am able to run the simple hello world script.  I am now trying
>  to take the next step in having my script "start using" another stack but I
>  am having difficulties.
>
>
>
>  #!revolution
>
>  global gDataA
>
>  on startup
>
>   start using stack "rocketscgi.rev"
>
>   put the defaultFolder into foo
>
>   cgiOutput foo
>
>  end startup
>
>
>
>  This is generating the following message in the server log:
>
>
>
>  [Tue Mar 11 20:56:49 2008] [error] [client 99.236.160.190] Premature end of
>  script headers: /home/doub/public_html/cgi-bin/helloworld.cgi
>
>  /home/doub/public_html/cgi-bin/revolution: Script execution error at line 4,
>  column 9
>
>
>
>  I have tried numerous permissions on the "rocketscgi.rev" stack file and as
>  you can see have even tied to force the name to all lower case.
>
>
>
>  Can someone advise me as to what the permission of a stack should be?
>
>
>
>  Also the following script returns the correct path to cgi-bin:
>
>
>
>  #!revolution
>
>  global gDataA
>
>  on startup
>
>  --  start using stack "rocketscgi.rev"
>
>   put the defaultFolder into foo
>
>   cgiOutput foo
>
>  end startup
>
>
>
>  on cgiOutput pBody
>
> if param(2) is not empty then
>
> put param(2) into tMimeType
>
> else
>
> put "text/html" into tMimeType
>
> end if
>
> put "Content-Type: "& tMimeType & cr
>
> put "Date:" && the internet date & cr
>
> put "Host:" && $SERVER_NAME & cr
>
> put "Content-Length:" && the length of pBody & cr & cr
>
> put pBody
>
> if the environment is not "development" then quit
>
>  end cgiOutput
>
>
>
>  I am quite sure I am missing something simple, but I am currently stumped.
>
>
>
>  -= Mike
>
>
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Re: .9 b5

[Richard Gaskin]

Hershel Fisch wrote:

Sorry may somebody  zilla this.
In .9 b5 in a table field the tab key wouldn't work if the fld was activated
via "focus on" command, only when activated with the mouse Click




Since this forum isn't reviewed for bug reports, it's infinitely more 
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Re: [OT] "They Criticized Vista. And They Should Know."

[Jim Ault]

On 3/12/08 11:00 AM, "Richard Gaskin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Scott Rossi wrote:
>> 
>> http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/09/business/09digi.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
>> 
>> Sadly disturbing.  Makes one wonder who's making the decisions over in
>> Redmond.
> 
> Magic 8-Ball?  :)

My current theory is that in a decade or so it will be revealed that Apple
placed sleepers at Redmond, they rose to the inner sanctum, and made
decisions that would very effectively discard vast areas of market share.
The major revelation would be how this was kept secret for so long.

The real artful work is to make poor decisions and still keep your job in
order to perpetuate the debacle.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


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Re: [OT] "They Criticized Vista. And They Should Know."

[Mikey]

We've deployed exactly one vista box.  Since that time I've bought
several more XP boxes just to avoid vista.  I still have a vista box
we purchased sitting in its box.  It's probably going to stay there
for the foreseeable future.

On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 3:37 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Jim, I love it. Of course, I love all sorts of conspiracy theories -
>  even the really stupid ones. After the kinds of things Gates pulled,
>  initially, he would have deserved such treatment. (smile) Besides, The
>  Pirates of Silicon Valley needs a sequel.
>
>  Joe Wilkins
>
>
>
>
>  On Mar 12, 2008, at 1:27 PM, Jim Ault wrote:
>
>  > On 3/12/08 11:00 AM, "Richard Gaskin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  > wrote:
>  >
>  >> Scott Rossi wrote:
>  >>>
>  >>> http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/09/business/09digi.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
>  >>>
>  >>> Sadly disturbing.  Makes one wonder who's making the decisions
>  >>> over in
>  >>> Redmond.
>  >>
>  >> Magic 8-Ball?  :)
>  >
>  > My current theory is that in a decade or so it will be revealed that
>  > Apple
>  > placed sleepers at Redmond, they rose to the inner sanctum, and made
>  > decisions that would very effectively discard vast areas of market
>  > share.
>  > The major revelation would be how this was kept secret for so long.
>  >
>  > The real artful work is to make poor decisions and still keep your
>  > job in
>  > order to perpetuate the debacle.
>  >
>  > Jim Ault
>  > Las Vegas
>  >
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Re: Reminder: objects cannot be copied when stack is password-protected!!! Even in a standalone. Grrrrrr....

[Josh Mellicker]

The saga continues:

Setting the passkey in the preOpenStack script (or other startup  
script) certainly allows a project (wherein objects need to be copied)  
to function normally. But now that preOpenStack messages get sent in  
the IDE in dp-5, I realize this technique of setting the passkey  
defeats part of the purpose of password-protecting a stack, since  
scripts can be viewed in the IDE (since simply opening the stack in  
the IDE unprotects it).


(It still does prevent the code from being read from disk by a text  
editor.)


Bottom line: To use the password property effectively in a project  
where objects need to be copied, there needs to be some kind of  
security check before setting the passkey.


Hope this helps someone down the line!


On Feb 26, 2008, at 3:32 PM, Josh Mellicker wrote:

Once upon a time, a programmer was working on a project, with many  
handlers that copy objects, for example, copy groups into groups to  
form scrolling groups, and everything was working great, and the  
programmer was very happy, and then, as a last step, he password  
protected the stack, then, the next day...


BLAMO Strange, bizarre things happened. Groups would not copy.  
Death and destruction reigned. Monitors came crashing out windows.  
Expletives burned the ears of innocent bystanders.


This programmer then leapt off a cliff, ending it all.


MORAL: If he had only put a single line of code:

set the passkey of this stack to "swordfish"

in the preOpenStack script, all would be fine.


Please, tell your kids about "passkey", don't let them suffer a  
similar fate!

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.9 b5

[Hershel Fisch]

Sorry may somebody  zilla this.
In .9 b5 in a table field the tab key wouldn't work if the fld was activated
via "focus on" command, only when activated with the mouse Click
Hershel

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Re: [OT] "They Criticized Vista. And They Should Know."

[Joe Lewis Wilkins]

Jim, I love it. Of course, I love all sorts of conspiracy theories -  
even the really stupid ones. After the kinds of things Gates pulled,  
initially, he would have deserved such treatment. (smile) Besides, The  
Pirates of Silicon Valley needs a sequel.


Joe Wilkins


On Mar 12, 2008, at 1:27 PM, Jim Ault wrote:

On 3/12/08 11:00 AM, "Richard Gaskin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:



Scott Rossi wrote:


http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/09/business/09digi.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

Sadly disturbing.  Makes one wonder who's making the decisions  
over in

Redmond.


Magic 8-Ball?  :)


My current theory is that in a decade or so it will be revealed that  
Apple

placed sleepers at Redmond, they rose to the inner sanctum, and made
decisions that would very effectively discard vast areas of market  
share.

The major revelation would be how this was kept secret for so long.

The real artful work is to make poor decisions and still keep your  
job in

order to perpetuate the debacle.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


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Re: [OT] "They Criticized Vista. And They Should Know."

[Josh Mellicker]

On Mar 12, 2008, at 12:38 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:



http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/09/business/09digi.html? 
_r=1&oref=slogin



Hee hee hee.

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Re: [OT] "They Criticized Vista. And They Should Know."

[Richard Gaskin]

Scott Rossi wrote:
>
>http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/09/business/09digi.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
>
>Sadly disturbing.  Makes one wonder who's making the decisions over in
>Redmond.

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RE: [OT] "They Criticized Vista. And They Should Know."

[Lynn Fredricks]

> Sadly disturbing.  Makes one wonder who's making the 
> decisions over in Redmond.
> 
> http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/09/business/09digi.html?_r=1&or
> ef=slogin

I've told everyone in my company not to upgrade - if we get a new Vista
machine, leave it. But otherwise, don't upgrade. Way, way too many
applications are broken. While some apps have upgrades available, it often
means an expensive upgrade for those applications. We don't need the new
features, just apps that work.

I am just getting my first extended dose of Vista. I picked up a system at
CompUSA during their final hours on an incredible deal. What strikes me the
most about it is that there's lots of eye candy that in larger organizations
means lots of lots of retraining. The differences between Office 2003 and
Office 2007 - why do it?

I would happily pay for a SP 4 and SP 5 for XP Pro with lots of bug fixes
and modest improvements.

Fortunately, Valentina was not terribly impacted by Vista - we've found one
irritating bug and it was addressed easily.

Makes me think of Windows ME. Maybe this should have been instead, Windows
ME 2 :-)

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
President
Paradigma Software
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server 

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Re: newbie level question

[Colin Holgate]

At 10:54 AM -0800 3/12/08, Jim Ault wrote:

The 'it' container is a special one for Rev, so you need to learn how it
works, usually by testing to make sure what happens is what you want.


Of course, after 20.5 years of programming in Talk like languages I 
do know that "it" is special, I only used that as a simple example 
case. I had already tried other variable names, and even typing a 
global whatever line before trying to use the variable. For some 
reason that didn't help either, though when I try it now it does work.


In any case, for most uses the multi-line message box is better for 
testing short routines, and I don't mind if the variable is short 
lived rather than being a persistent global.


I helped a little on the CD-ROM version of If Monks Had Macs. 
Hopefully I used global variables, just to make Brian worry!


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[OT] "They Criticized Vista. And They Should Know."

[Scott Rossi]

Sadly disturbing.  Makes one wonder who's making the decisions over in
Redmond.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/09/business/09digi.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design


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Re: question regarding print out of objects listing from the application browser

[Rob Cozens]

Hi All,


> Regardless, I think I would lay everything out using Rev stacks, take
> screen shots of the finished stacks/cards/etc., and assemble one or
> more PDFs of the results.


I missed the original post; so I may be missing the point.  :-[

If the goal is to create a PDF document from text & images, why not 
just create a Rev stack and print it using QutePDF Writer on Windows 
platforms and OS/X's Print Dialog PDF option on Macs?



Rob Cozens CCW
Serendipity Software Company

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
 Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

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Re: newbie level question

[Jim Ault]

On 3/12/08 10:01 AM, "Richard Gaskin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Colin Holgate wrote:
>> Yes, I tried that right after posting my question! It seems that
>> message box variables are not global in the way they were with
>> HyperCard.
> 
> HyperCard turned any variables used in the Message Box into globals?  Ouch.

Yep, except for reserved words.

The reason given by someone way back then was that Hypercard was supposed to
be this very extensive network drive access model that meant you could
travel through hundreds of stacks, collecting info in your running Hypercard
space, then return to one of your stacks and use that info.

Of course, any stack you visited that use the same global name would trash
the info you 'gathered', or vice versa, so Ouch is a good word.

Brian (If Monks Had Macs) and I discussed this once in the earliest days of
HCard and agreed it would be rather dangerous.  This means that the user
could type something in the message box that would change the value of a
global you were using.  Make your names unique so the user could not affect
your name space.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


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Re: newbie level question

[Eric Chatonet]

Le 12 mars 08 à 19:01, Richard Gaskin a écrit :


Colin Holgate wrote:
Yes, I tried that right after posting my question! It seems that  
message box variables are not global in the way they were with  
HyperCard.


HyperCard turned any variables used in the Message Box into  
globals?  Ouch.


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Yes, that's true if I remember well :-)
And Rev behavior sounds better even if Rev does not handle messages  
typed into the message box as 'smoothly' as HC did.


Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.

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Re: newbie level question

[Jim Ault]

Correction:
Sorry about the confusion I might have caused.
I forgot to put one line in the sequence of message box commands:
The first line is a simple declaration of the global you want to use:

global gVarToHoldString
--now the rest should work
 put "the dog barks" into gVarToHoldString
 put gVarToHoldString
 put cr & word 1 of gVarToHoldString after msg
 put msg & cr & cr & gVarToHoldString & " loudly"


 Jim Ault
Las Vegas

On 3/12/08 10:54 AM, "Jim Ault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On 3/12/08 9:35 AM, "Colin Holgate" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> Oh, this will make you all laugh no doubt, but how do I use variables
>> in the message box? For example, if I try this:
>> 
>> get 10
>> put it
>> 
>> the word "it" is put into the message box. What would I do
>> differently in order to see the value "10" appear?
> 
> Mark's answer is a good one.
> The 'it' container is a special one for Rev, so you need to learn how it
> works, usually by testing to make sure what happens is what you want.
> 
> Another way to use variables is to create a global in the message box, then
> use that global :
> 
> put "the dog barks" into gVarToHoldString
> 
> Now Revolution program stores the string in a variable that will persist
> until you quit Rev.  Opening and closing stacks will not affect this value
> unless they also access the '' global.
> 
> So:
> --run each of these in the msg box to test the effect
> 
> put "the dog barks" into gVarToHoldString
> put gVarToHoldString
> put cr & word 1 of gVarToHoldString after msg
> put msg & cr & cr & gVarToHoldString & " loudly"
> 
> Caution when using the multi-line message box as there are slight
> differences from running the same code in a script container, such as the
> stack script.
> 
> Jim Ault
> Las Vegas


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Re: newbie level question

[Richard Gaskin]

Colin Holgate wrote:
Yes, I tried that right after posting my question! It seems that 
message box variables are not global in the way they were with 
HyperCard.


HyperCard turned any variables used in the Message Box into globals?  Ouch.

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Re: newbie level question

[Jim Ault]

On 3/12/08 9:35 AM, "Colin Holgate" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Oh, this will make you all laugh no doubt, but how do I use variables
> in the message box? For example, if I try this:
> 
> get 10
> put it
> 
> the word "it" is put into the message box. What would I do
> differently in order to see the value "10" appear?

Mark's answer is a good one.
The 'it' container is a special one for Rev, so you need to learn how it
works, usually by testing to make sure what happens is what you want.

Another way to use variables is to create a global in the message box, then
use that global :

put "the dog barks" into gVarToHoldString

Now Revolution program stores the string in a variable that will persist
until you quit Rev.  Opening and closing stacks will not affect this value
unless they also access the '' global.

So:
--run each of these in the msg box to test the effect

put "the dog barks" into gVarToHoldString
put gVarToHoldString
put cr & word 1 of gVarToHoldString after msg
put msg & cr & cr & gVarToHoldString & " loudly"

Caution when using the multi-line message box as there are slight
differences from running the same code in a script container, such as the
stack script.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


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Re: newbie level question

[Devin Asay]

On Mar 12, 2008, at 11:35 AM, Colin Holgate wrote:

Oh, this will make you all laugh no doubt, but how do I use  
variables in the message box? For example, if I try this:


get 10
put it

the word "it" is put into the message box. What would I do  
differently in order to see the value "10" appear?


Colin,

The problem is that the single-line message box doesn't remember  
variables between executions. Instead you can do this:


get 10; put it

Or for more complex things, use the multi-line message box. Just  
click the 2nd icon from the left on the top of the message box  
window. Then enter in your multiple lines, separated by return. Use  
the Enter key (or control+return, I think) to execute the lines.


HTH

Devin


Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University

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Re: question regarding print out of objects listing from the application browser

[Joe Lewis Wilkins]

Sadhunathan,

On Mar 12, 2008, at 10:30 AM, Sadhunathan Nadesan wrote:


Joe,

Thank you for responding!


Would this need to be cross platform, or would a Mac solution be
acceptable?


65-70% PC users, 30-35% MAC, we need both, but prefer one
code base.  I use a PC.


Working on a PC does make things more difficult for you. And doing it  
with a word type application rather than a draw application such a  
PCDraft, limits your arrangement flexibility. I've not used  Open  
Office, so there is probably a drawing environment within it that will  
give you the flexibility you require. Good luck! I take it you are  
working on producing a PDF that explains how to use REV. I trust  
you'll post a link to the final product. We can always use guidance.  
(smile)


Joe Wilkins


Regardless, I think I would lay everything out using Rev stacks, take
screen shots of the finished stacks/cards/etc., and assemble one or
more PDFs of the results.


That is what I was thinking of as the "hard way", certainly doable.



On either platform, this could be done by
creating the layouts of the screen shots, along with any descriptions
you need/want using MacDraft or PCDraft. Very easily done. I do it  
all
the time on Macs. You can create multi-page PDFs of various page  
sizes.


I hope I've understood what you're attempting to do.

Joe Wilkins



Thank you for the suggestion.  I could take screen shots with  
Irfanview,

write up a word doc in Open Office, and export to PDF.

I was hoping there was a way I could do it all with a tool straight  
from

the rev stacks.

Sadhu






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Re: newbie level question

[Colin Holgate]

At 5:39 PM + 3/12/08, Mark Smith wrote:

get 10 ; put it


Good to know.



or you can use the multi-line message box...


Yes, I tried that right after posting my question! It seems that 
message box variables are not global in the way they were with 
HyperCard.


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Re: newbie level question

[Mark Smith]

You can separate statements with a semi-colon:

get 10 ; put it

or you can use the multi-line message box...

Best,

Mark

On 12 Mar 2008, at 17:35, Colin Holgate wrote:

Oh, this will make you all laugh no doubt, but how do I use  
variables in the message box? For example, if I try this:


get 10
put it

the word "it" is put into the message box. What would I do  
differently in order to see the value "10" appear?


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newbie level question

[Colin Holgate]

Oh, this will make you all laugh no doubt, but how do I use variables 
in the message box? For example, if I try this:


get 10
put it

the word "it" is put into the message box. What would I do 
differently in order to see the value "10" appear?


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Re: question regarding print out of objects listing from the application browser

[Sadhunathan Nadesan]

Joe,

Thank you for responding!

> Would this need to be cross platform, or would a Mac solution be  
> acceptable?

65-70% PC users, 30-35% MAC, we need both, but prefer one
code base.  I use a PC.

> 
> Regardless, I think I would lay everything out using Rev stacks, take  
> screen shots of the finished stacks/cards/etc., and assemble one or  
> more PDFs of the results. 

That is what I was thinking of as the "hard way", certainly doable.


> On either platform, this could be done by  
> creating the layouts of the screen shots, along with any descriptions  
> you need/want using MacDraft or PCDraft. Very easily done. I do it all  
> the time on Macs. You can create multi-page PDFs of various page sizes.
> 
> I hope I've understood what you're attempting to do.
> 
> Joe Wilkins


Thank you for the suggestion.  I could take screen shots with Irfanview,
write up a word doc in Open Office, and export to PDF.  

I was hoping there was a way I could do it all with a tool straight from
the rev stacks.

Sadhu

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Re: while I await my password...

[Richard Gaskin]

J. Landman Gay wrote:
Default buttons don't behave like OS X default buttons. They constantly 
pulse. What is supposed to happen is that when you click on them they 
stop pulsing in the brighter state, and if you roll off them they become 
empty, like a non-default button. In  Rev they just continue to pulse.


Probably a bug. The default button style on OS X was a problem for a 
while and used considerable CPU cycles. That was fixed, but it sounds 
like newer OS behavior hasn't been implemented.


From what I've heard, Apple's API does a great job making it easy to do 
"normal" things, but anything outside the HIG is sometimes a no-man's 
land in their frameworks.


I remember Mark Lucas, lead engineer for SuperCard, telling me about the 
time he attended one of Apple's Code Kitchens for Carbon.  Like Rev, SC 
needs to allow people to put default buttons against any background, not 
just the Apple-sanctioned stripes, and some users may even want to put 
objects over some or all of the button as well, complicating rendering 
even further.


When Mark explained what he was trying to do, the Apple engineer he was 
working with told him, "That's not possible."


That's all you need to tell Mark to prompt him to stay up late to find a 
solution, which he did.  But it wasn't easy, and he told me that when he 
went back to Apple he showed that engineer what he had done and the 
engineer was appropriately impressed. :)


As a user of these high-level tools rather than one who dives down into 
the bowels of the APIs to make them, my appreciation for the difficulty 
of the task of delivering things as simple to use and as flexible as Rev 
and SC is limited.  But even in that limited understanding, my respect 
for what programmers like Mark Lucas, Tuviah Snyder, and Mark Waddingham 
have accomplished, even with the occasional rough edges, is very very high.


So yes, this should be reported as a bug.  But knowing what they're up 
against, I can understand how it got implemented as it was.


Considering how Rev needs to deal with so much of the same stuff as SC, 
and then replicate that effort for all the gotchas on Windows and Linux 
as well, it's a wonder Mark Waddingham ever gets any sleep at all.


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Re: Tutorials on using Arrays in REV

[Judy Perry]

Tom & Devlin,

Thank you for these.  While my Rev lab no longer exists (sob!), this
was a question I heard repeatedly from students and wasn't certain
where to send them (this was WA pre 2.8.anything).

Judy

On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 8:00 AM, Devin Asay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mar 12, 2008, at 8:23 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:
>
>  > I found the Array Docs!
>  >
>  > Since I had to go back to 2.8.3 I have been using the user guide
>  > from there which has blank entries for both XML and Arrrays in Rev.
>  >
>  > I just opened the newer version of the User Guide in the newer
>  > version of Rev and there is a lot of new info on these and a lot of
>  > other things as well.
>
>  Tom,
>
>  You may find my tutorial on arrays useful, too.
>
>  http://revolution.byu.edu/arrays/introToArrays.php
>
>  Regards,
>
>  Devin
>
>  Devin Asay
>  Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
>  Brigham Young University
>
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Re: while I await my password...

[Judy Perry]

Jacquie & Colin,

I believe so.  I have a vivid memory of a migraine-causing stack
produced once by a student that had something like 9 or 12 default
buttons on a single card. You can imagine what a literal headache that
caused.  I think I even wrote here about it.

=:-0

Now I just have students who don't know what a browser is.  Sigh.

Judy


On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 12:47 PM, J. Landman Gay
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  > Default buttons don't behave like OS X default buttons. They constantly
>  > pulse. What is supposed to happen is that when you click on them they
>  > stop pulsing in the brighter state, and if you roll off them they become
>  > empty, like a non-default button. In  Rev they just continue to pulse.
>
>  Probably a bug. The default button style on OS X was a problem for a
>  while and used considerable CPU cycles. That was fixed, but it sounds
>  like newer OS behavior hasn't been implemented. Didn't they always pulse
>  in older implementations of OS X?
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Re: CGI's on a linux server

[Björnke von Gierke]

There are many differences between using the engine as a CGI and as  
a normal GUI app, but at least in my tests on Linux at Dreamhost  
with v2.9 it seems that termination does the sort of memory cleanup  
we'd expect.


Ah, good to know, thanks for testing it.


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Enterprise 2.8.1 and SSL

[Malte Brill]

Hi all,

something strange when working with https in Rev Enterprise 2.8.1

the result contains error: cannot load SSL library

What can I do to work around?

All the best,

Malte
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Re: Tutorials on using Arrays in REV

[Devin Asay]

On Mar 12, 2008, at 8:23 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:


I found the Array Docs!

Since I had to go back to 2.8.3 I have been using the user guide  
from there which has blank entries for both XML and Arrrays in Rev.


I just opened the newer version of the User Guide in the newer  
version of Rev and there is a lot of new info on these and a lot of  
other things as well.


Tom,

You may find my tutorial on arrays useful, too.

http://revolution.byu.edu/arrays/introToArrays.php

Regards,

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University

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Re: Tutorials on using Arrays in REV

[Thomas McGrath III]

I found the Array Docs!

Since I had to go back to 2.8.3 I have been using the user guide from  
there which has blank entries for both XML and Arrrays in Rev.


I just opened the newer version of the User Guide in the newer version  
of Rev and there is a lot of new info on these and a lot of other  
things as well.



Thanks

Tom McG
On Mar 12, 2008, at 2:35 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:


Where is the best place to find tutorials on using arrays in RR?

I tried using XML in my project and have not been able to smoothly  
use it for what i want so I am thinking that arrays would be better.


Thanks Tom McG
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Re: CGI's on a linux server

[Richard Gaskin]

Björnke von Gierke wrote:
Yes start using "only" starts using the stack, but what makes you  
think the stack is not in memory while being in use?


If you want to use stacks in cgi's, you need to make sure they all  
close before the cgi quits.


Anything in use is in memory, but a stack in use that has not been 
opened is not listed among the openStacks (though of course it is listed 
among the stacksInUse).


Moreover, just last night I was working on my CGI library and found that 
 it works well when my script uses "start using..." at the top with no 
explicit "close stack..." or "stop using..." at the end.  Running top 
via telnet suggests that memory is reclaimed, and subsequent calls to 
the CGI all work.


There are many differences between using the engine as a CGI and as a 
normal GUI app, but at least in my tests on Linux at Dreamhost with v2.9 
it seems that termination does the sort of memory cleanup we'd expect.


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Re: 2.9 or 2.8.1 – Same problem

[Len Morgan]

It sure sounds like that could be your problem.  I was not aware of this 
issue but I don't use the answer printer command.  Sometimes when you 
give the user too much control, they end up using it!  :-)


len

Tom Johnson wrote:

Hi Martin,
I don't think so because I'm not using the answer printer command. Thanks
for the reply, though.

Tom


Could it be anything to do with this -

'Important!  If you have used the answer printer command during the current
session, the paper size is set to the size selected in the dialog box, and
it is not possible to change the printPaperSize property's value for the
remainder of the current session. To use a different paper size after using
the answer printer command, you must first quit and restart the
application.'
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Re: 2.9 or 2.8.1 – Same problem

[Tom Johnson]

Hi Martin,
I don't think so because I'm not using the answer printer command. Thanks
for the reply, though.

Tom


Could it be anything to do with this -

'Important!  If you have used the answer printer command during the current
session, the paper size is set to the size selected in the dialog box, and
it is not possible to change the printPaperSize property's value for the
remainder of the current session. To use a different paper size after using
the answer printer command, you must first quit and restart the
application.'
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2.9 or 2.8.1 – Same problem

[Tom Johnson]

Hi Len,
Thanks for the reply. It' seem that when ever I ask a printing related
question I hear the crickets in the background.

Tom
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Re: CGI's on a linux server

[Björnke von Gierke]

Yes start using "only" starts using the stack, but what makes you  
think the stack is not in memory while being in use?


If you want to use stacks in cgi's, you need to make sure they all  
close before the cgi quits. It's just the way it is, and i don't know  
exactly why. My guess is, that cgi's do not get the usual "cleanup"  
stuff normal apps would get, for efficiencies sake. As you seem  
reluctant to try if I'm actually right, here's an example handler you  
can try:


#!revolution

global gDataA

on startup

start using stack "rocketscgi.rev"

put the defaultFolder into foo

cgiOutput foo

repeat for each line theLine in the openStacks
close stack theLine
end repeat

end startup


On 12 Mar 2008, at 09:07, Michael Doub wrote:

If the script was not terminating properly I would think that there  
would
have been some output from the cgiOutput statement before script  
terminated.


I don’t think that the "start using stack" statement is being  
executed to
cause rockerscgi.rev to be loaded into memory.  Note that the  
cgiOutput
handler is identical in both cases except that in the failing case  
it is in

a library stack vs being included in the same script.


-Original Message-
From: Richard Gaskin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 2:25 AM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: CGI's on a linux server

Björnke von Gierke wrote:


you need to manually (codially?) close every stack that you open in a
cgi, otherwise you get that error.





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Re: How to set a field to Caps or TitleCaps

[FlexibleLearning]

Duh! Thanks, guys... Too many late nights!
 
/H
 
I wrote:
> Anyone figured out how to force a field to   display text as Caps only, or 
as 
> TitleCaps, whatever the state of the  capsLock key, AND as the user is 
typing? 
> It's this last bit that has me  beat at the moment.  
> 
> This doesn't work but I wish it did  as a starting point...
> on keyDown tk
> put toUpper(tk) into  tk
> pass  keyDown
> end keyDown

Jacqueline   wrote:
on keydown tk
put toUpper(tk) into the selection
end  keydown


Mark Schonewille wrote:
on keyDown theKey
put toUpper(theKey) after me
end  keyDown
 



   
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RE: CGI's on a linux server

[Michael Doub]

If the script was not terminating properly I would think that there would
have been some output from the cgiOutput statement before script terminated.

I don’t think that the "start using stack" statement is being executed to
cause rockerscgi.rev to be loaded into memory.  Note that the cgiOutput 
handler is identical in both cases except that in the failing case it is in
a library stack vs being included in the same script. 


-Original Message-
From: Richard Gaskin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 2:25 AM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: CGI's on a linux server

Björnke von Gierke wrote:

> you need to manually (codially?) close every stack that you open in a  
> cgi, otherwise you get that error.
> 



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