Re: A chunking mystery
David Coker wrote: repeat for each line thisLine in tSource if item 2 of line 1 of tSource = 0 then delete line 1 of tSource end if end repeat I am not sure exactly what you are trying to but your repeat is not going to work the way you have it structured. First, if you want to use repeat for this, follow Phil's suggestions. Secondly, there may be an easier way to do the task I think you want. Assuming the itemDel is a tab then filter tSource without (* tab 0 tab *) or commas filter tSource without (*,0,*) --of course, this will delete lines with any 0 in item 2 through the second to last. This may or may not be a problem for your data set. Both methods are virtually instant, so don't worry about speed. Hope this helps Jim Ault Las Vegas David Coker wrote: Hello folks, I have a handler built that does nothing more than checking for a zero in a specific item located in a scrolling text field and if found, deletes the entire line. It seemed to work flawlessly with all of the test files that I had chosen to work with while building the app. No problem, I thought. Then I started using an assortment of real data (all CSV format, with the target item in the same location), only to find that I was getting unreliable results. I have a fairly large data file where the app always works, yet another much smaller one that the target zeros are almost ignored. I can mix and match sample data from both files and get varied results. I've even tried sorting the field to get them up to the top of the file, but that doesn't seem to make a difference. repeat for each line thisLine in tSource if item 2 of line 1 of tSource = 0 then delete line 1 of tSource end if end repeat The sample files I'm using came from different sources, but are otherwise identical in general composition, structure and delimited format. Any ideas as to what I need to be looking for? Still using the 2.51 studio version. (bummer!) I'd totally appreciate any boost in the right direction. David ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Exporting Everything To Text
At last, sorry chaps, recent lack of inspirational flashes. A totally redesigned TEXTIFIER is now available via revOnline: It will now export an extremely tedious list of properties, scripts, field contents, . . . . . . . , ad nauseam to a text file. Why? Because this is something I have been wanting to do for about 2 years, and because the other day I was fiddling around with a webpage using KompoZer and popped across into TextWrangler to have a peep at the HTML and thought that it might, sometimes, be useful to view RunRev/MetaCard stacks in a different way. It would be perfectly feasible to design a stack to recode the exported text file as the stacks it describes; people might like to muse on whether or not it might be possible to have, say, 100 people working on sections of an incredibly complex stack where only one RR licence is used. I don't particularly want to go down that route, even if only for the simple reason that the good folks in Edinburgh might put a price on my head :) Presumably, TEXTIFIER will also work with MetaCard, I haven't had the time to try it out. The coding is to the usual Richmond Standard of Maximum Awkwardness and has data popping in and out of fields like nobody's business. If you want to see the full glory just set the stack dimensions to about 1200 by 800 (um, sorry, my 17 second-hand monster does 1600 by 1200) and watch the action as it runs on a fairly complex target stack. If you don't like the Richmond Standard of Maximum Awkwardness feel free to rewrite bits of it, the whole of it, or start all over again and do it your way. If you do any of the above, except for the last, please give me credit. NASTIES: The only really nasty Nasty as far as I am concerned is how the object scripts are spat out; I had to replace linefeeds by / because of a problem I ran into with the main listField so in the resultant text files scripts look rather silly: on mouseUp / beep / end mouseup / this is a bit bad as the would-be text-editing programmer is not given a tidily laid out script like the script-editor presents in RR/MC; it makes LOOPS very difficult to keep track of for a start. STACK SCRIPTS: Oh, dear, just realised I left them out; although now the script is as it is (all in one button GO !) this is easy enough to sort out. I would be very grateful if anybody with a spot of time could play around with it and let me have some feedback. sincerely, Richmond Mathewson A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development Life Cycle. __ Sent from Yahoo! Mail. The World's Favourite Email http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
A chunking mystery
Download Key Detailer from revOnline [ Under 'Richmond'] (if you don't have access to revOnline drop me a line, off-list) maybe the problem is that one 0 may not be the same as another 0! on my PPC Mac the 0 on the 'number line' above the letters on the keyboard uses ASCII code 48, and on the KeyPad on the right it uses ASCII 65438. Whether RR recognises both of them as '0' or, instead, looks at the ASCII code I just don't know. KEY NAMER will give you even more information . . . I can get a '0' by pressing SHIFT and the '0' key on my keypad ( ASCII 65456), ALT + 0 ( ASCII 65438); in fact I could sit here all day and, I'm sure, find other ways to produce Zeros. Luckily all the Zeros I've produced so far are Unicode 48. sincerely, Richmond Mathewson A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development Life Cycle. ___ Rise to the challenge for Sport Relief with Yahoo! For Good http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Survey ?
Having woken up from my recent yogic sleep (partly caused by my service provider not providing for about 3 days) I found an invitation to take a survey for the RR Beta in my inbox: http://www.zoomerang.com/survey.zgi?p=U28WBPBVZU6W being the Good Boy that I am, I clicked on it and got a 'Site Not Found' message: Boo! sincerely, Richmond Mathewson A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development Life Cycle. __ Sent from Yahoo! Mail. The World's Favourite Email http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: A chunking mystery
If the repeat for error in your email isn't the actual problem (often we type things wrongly into email as an example, or strip too much out), then: I would hazard a guess here that your problem lies in the assumption that CSV files can be parsed simply by addressing lines and items. Unfortunately, this is not the case -- as CSV columns themselves can contain commas and even escaped quotes inside of quotes. To confound things, all CSV files are not created equal in terms of conventions used. Consider (for starters) what happens if you have embedded commas in a line like this: Los Angeles, CA,0,1 Column 3 in your CSV file is 1 Item 3 is 0 = Trouble! Hope this helps, Brian ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: A chunking mystery
maybe the problem is that one 0 may not be the same as another 0! on my PPC Mac the 0 on the 'number line' above the letters on the keyboard uses ASCII code 48, and on the KeyPad on the right it uses ASCII 65438. Richmond: I don't believe David was asking about what key was used to produce zeros in his text, but rather how to remove lines from the text that contain zeros. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia Design ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revbrowser and copy command
Bonjour Ludovic. Hello, I want to copy, by script, some text from a web page in revbrowser (this text is automatically selected by the web page). If i do manually a Edit/Copy, it's work, but if a use the script on mouseup copy put the clipboarddata end mouseup it doesn't work. What's wrong ? RevBrowser is a special kind of beast and needs special treatment :-) Not tested, but this should be doable with something like this: ... put revBrowserGet(tBrowserId, selected) into CurrentlySelectedText set the clipboarddata[text] to CurrentlySelectedText ... Check the entry for revBrowserGet - selected in the docs. Thanks. A votre service monsieur :-) Best from germany Klaus Major [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.major-k.de ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
A chunking mystery
Or, 'set traps' for Unicode . . . Sincerely, Richmond Mathewson A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development Life Cycle. __ Sent from Yahoo! Mail. The World's Favourite Email http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
A chunking mystery
Scott Rossi wrote: I don't believe David was asking about what key was used to produce zeros in his text, but rather how to remove lines from the text that contain zeros. Of course! However, there is a possibility that not all of his Zeros are the same; i.e. produced in the same way and being 'seen' by RR in the same way. so he might like to set traps for a number of ASCII codes rather than '0'. sincerely, Richmond Mathewson A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development Life Cycle. __ Sent from Yahoo! Mail. The World's Favourite Email http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Learn Programming in 1 Day
Learn Programming in 1 Day really ? I must be extremely stupid then. And, no I don't need 100 replies to confirm the above:) love, Richmond A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development Life Cycle. ___ Rise to the challenge for Sport Relief with Yahoo! For Good http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Learn Programming in 1 Day
A, but surely with the modern day RunRev stupidity is a thing of the past! They have a cunning knack of shooting themselves in the foot, how many toes are left? Can hardly type for tears of laughter and it's not even April yet! On 14 Mar 2008, at 10:16, Richmond Mathewson wrote: Learn Programming in 1 Day really ? I must be extremely stupid then. And, no I don't need 100 replies to confirm the above:) love, Richmond A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development Life Cycle. ___ Rise to the challenge for Sport Relief with Yahoo! For Good http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Beta Testers needed for Revolution Plugin
Yes, but can I learn to program in just one day??? Can't resist! Dave On 13 Mar 2008, at 13:59, GIRARD Damien wrote: Dear Revolution users, I created a new Revolution extension that permits you to do a simple thing: Create software with Runtime Revolution available in multiple languages. The name of this software is NativeSpeak. If you are interested by NativeSpeak, you can see it in actions in this stack: http://www.dam-pro.com/BETA/NPresenter.rev If you are interested by NativeSpeak, and you want to contribute to its final release, I am searching for private beta testers. (More information given in the stack provided above (button Next)). Regards, Damien. dgirard at dam-pro.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Learn Programming in 1 Day
Depends on what you mean by programming... I've often met graphic designers using Flash who write scripts with a complexity equivalent to go prev / go next, or who copy/paste some scripts they grabbed on the web and in which they change 1 or 2 parameters, and then claim to be graphic designers AND programmers... In that case, I guess 1 day is enough... JB Learn Programming in 1 Day really ? I must be extremely stupid then. And, no I don't need 100 replies to confirm the above:) love, Richmond __ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Learn Programming in 1 Day
Maybe be the RunRev programming team were of the same course! Would explain a lot! ducking for cover Happy Weekend! Dave On 14 Mar 2008, at 11:20, jbv wrote: Depends on what you mean by programming... I've often met graphic designers using Flash who write scripts with a complexity equivalent to go prev / go next, or who copy/paste some scripts they grabbed on the web and in which they change 1 or 2 parameters, and then claim to be graphic designers AND programmers... In that case, I guess 1 day is enough... JB Learn Programming in 1 Day really ? I must be extremely stupid then. And, no I don't need 100 replies to confirm the above:) love, Richmond __ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: A chunking mystery
I'm not sure exactly what you're trying to test, but your repeat loop seems a little off. Perhaps you intended something like this (assuming tSource is a variable containing the text of a field): repeat with N = number of lines of tSource down to 1 if item 2 of line N of tSource = 0 then delete line N of tSource end repeat Another option (assemble text in a new variable): repeat for each line thisLine in tSource if item 2 of thisLine 0 then put thisLine cr after tFilteredText end repeat delete last char of tFilteredText -- do something with tFilteredText Each of the above should result in removal of any lines in the source text that contain 0 in item 2 of the line. Another thing to check is that you're using the appropriate itemDelimiter (comma is the default, but you can set the itemDelimiter to another character). If the above is not what you're after, you might need to explain what is actually stored in tSource. Hello Scott, I'm sorry, I just didn't think to mention that I'm moving the data from the text field into a temporary variable before processing. Perhaps I should add some details as to what I'm trying to accomplish as well. I'm working with large datasets (sometimes over 80,000 records) that originate from a variety of sources, often in different formats (CSV, Tabbed,etc.) and all of which with just a few columns of data that would be common to each and of interest to me. I've added enough smarts to the app where I can preselect certain options based on where the file originated (delimiters and positioning of the data being analyzed), as well as how the data must be handled accordingly. In this case, the zero represents a code indicating that the item has been discontinued and is no longer available, so I just want to remove those items from the source entirely. This is just a tiny fraction of the overall processing that must be done. Basically, I'm just trying to automate the same general processes that I would otherwise go through using Excel, for example. This is my first real attempt to do heavy data processing with Rev (and chunking to a large degree), so most of what I'm doing is simple trial and error. I really appreciate everyone's input and will start trying some of the suggestions to see what works best. David ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Learn Programming in 1 Day
I realize these comments are intended primarily as humor. However turning serious for a minute, this sounds like a great opportunity for self-taught programmers like me to actually build a solid foundation (instead of the sloppy mess I currently muddle by with--hey, I DO have my roots in BASIC after all--color me master of spaghetti code) onto which to tack the day-to-day learning we are doing. My 2 cents. M On Mar 14, 2008, at 6:29 AM, Dave wrote: Maybe be the RunRev programming team were of the same course! Would explain a lot! ducking for cover Happy Weekend! Dave On 14 Mar 2008, at 11:20, jbv wrote: Depends on what you mean by programming... I've often met graphic designers using Flash who write scripts with a complexity equivalent to go prev / go next, or who copy/paste some scripts they grabbed on the web and in which they change 1 or 2 parameters, and then claim to be graphic designers AND programmers... In that case, I guess 1 day is enough... JB Learn Programming in 1 Day really ? I must be extremely stupid then. And, no I don't need 100 replies to confirm the above:) love, Richmond __ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Multiple Stacks Active at Same Time
Is it possible to make two or more stacks active at the same time? I am building an app in which pressing certain buttons in the main stack causes a substack to open. With the substack active, further pressing of similar buttons in the mainstack causes the mainstack to quickly become active and then inactive. Likewise, the substack quickly becomes inactive and then active. It is slightly annoying when that happens (window border/title bar quickly going from active to inactive or vice versa). Thanks, Steven Axtell ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: A chunking mystery
Consider (for starters) what happens if you have embedded commas in a line like this: Los Angeles, CA,0,1 Column 3 in your CSV file is 1 Item 3 is 0 = Trouble! You are certainly correct there, my friend! In this case though, as part of the process for the raw source files that are already in a somewhat usable CSV format, I first convert the data into a piped | format, then strip out any extra quotes and commas *and* shuffle the target field up to the 2nd item position. Afterwards, I convert the data back to CSV format before doing any additional processing. Ultimately, there are only three fields that I am concerned with from a data processing viewpoint and everything else in a given line just gets shuffled toward the right and ignored. To the best of my ability, I've analyzed the resulting data and the target fields are in the correct location, without any extra quotes and/or commas. Since the data comes from several sources and I've had similar results using a tab for the delimiter, Richmond may be on to something in regards to what the Rev engine is actually seeing. Certainly must be considered and ruled out I think. There again, as others have suggested, it may just be that some lines are being skipped in certain cases due to the poor format of my repeat loop. Thanks for the ideas folks. Truly appreciated! David ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Learn Programming in 1 Day
Petrides, M.D. Marian a *crit : I realize these comments are intended primarily as humor. are they really ? I for one have about 30 years of experience as a programmer, and have used about 20 different languages, including such weird things as uP / uC assembler or MIDI programming language like MAX, and still am reluctant to claim to be a programmer since almost everyday I come across pieces of code much smarter than what I could write, or need to post questions to this list from time to time... I think a better approach could have been : code as you think... JB ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Survey ?
Richmond, Don't know what your problem is. It takes me right where it should. On a Mac with Safari. Both on the email message I received and the link below in your email. Joe Wilkins On Mar 14, 2008, at 2:36 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: Having woken up from my recent yogic sleep (partly caused by my service provider not providing for about 3 days) I found an invitation to take a survey for the RR Beta in my inbox: http://www.zoomerang.com/survey.zgi?p=U28WBPBVZU6W being the Good Boy that I am, I clicked on it and got a 'Site Not Found' message: Boo! sincerely, Richmond Mathewson A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development Life Cycle. __ Sent from Yahoo! Mail. The World's Favourite Email http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Joe Lewis Wilkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Multiple Stacks Active at Same Time
Steven, You're in control. Just lock and unlock the screen at points where you want the user to see an updated version of the situation. At least that's how I'd do it using HC and I've heard that the save technique works with RR. Joe Wilkins On Mar 14, 2008, at 5:32 AM, Steven Axtell wrote: Is it possible to make two or more stacks active at the same time? I am building an app in which pressing certain buttons in the main stack causes a substack to open. With the substack active, further pressing of similar buttons in the mainstack causes the mainstack to quickly become active and then inactive. Likewise, the substack quickly becomes inactive and then active. It is slightly annoying when that happens (window border/title bar quickly going from active to inactive or vice versa). Thanks, Steven Axtell ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Joe Lewis Wilkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Calling all Newbies (and gurus)
Dear List Members, If you've recently joined this list because you're having trouble getting your head round Revolution and you want help from the experts, you might be interested to learn that we have devoted an entire day of the Revolution Live Conference in Las Vegas just to you. http://www.runrevlive.com/article.php?page=77 You can now buy this day as a one day training course, even if you can't make the rest of the conference. You long-standing list members and Revolution Gurus, keep reading, this day is for you too! We're running Open Kitchen sessions all day, with all the conference presenters and staff members we can round up and lock in a room, so that they can help you with one on one expertise and hands on demonstrations of how to figure out that obscure bit of coding that's been bugging you. Just a heads up. This is your conference, arranged for your benefit, so if you've been binning the promos and ignoring the newsletter articles, give it one more look and ask yourself, can I afford to miss this? Instead of writing to support or this list with your technical bafflements, get real life instruction from the experts. Ask anyone on this list who has been to a conference before, whether it was worth the money, time and effort. Email is great, the Internet is wonderful, books and tutorials are indispensable, but there is nothing beats real interaction with real people. Hope to see you there! Warm Regards, Heather Heather Nagey Customer Services Manager Runtime Revolution Ltd http://www.runrev.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: revBrowser
Thanks - I'm still getting crashes and I'll check that I'm using closeRevBRowser carefuly! On 01/02/2008, Thomas McGrath III [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David, That page loads fine in my revBrowser app.I also tried my own iGoogle page. But i have noticed a few buggy crashes during development. The thing for me was that I MAY not have taken care of all closeRevBRowser calls during the development process. I believe if the Safari or EI browser is upgraded than this would effect the Rev browser. HTH Tom Mac OS10.5.1 2.4 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo 4 GB 667 MHz DDR2 SDRAM On Feb 1, 2008, at 12:16 PM, David Bovill wrote: Having some problems with revBrowser - I get a repeated crash using the Browser Sampler.rev stack - or the stacks I am coding. I get it when viewing my Google Home page - that's not the search engine but the personalised home page with the widgets in I am not sure which url to give as it sues my loin credentials to display my personalised page - can someone check http://www.google.co.uk/ig?hl=en; in revBrowser on other platforms / systems? In general I'd like to know what the stability issues are for the embedded browser. Any one know how it works - that is I know it uses the relevant web kits on windows and macOS - but are these embedded in the external - or as I suspect part of the operating system that the external interfaces with - in other words if the operating system is upgraded - are features added / fixes made that would effect revBrowser - or is it all part of the external. Thomas McGrath III [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mac OS10.5.1 2.4 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo 4 GB 667 MHz DDR2 SDRAM ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: why XHTML cannot be parsed with RevXML ?
Paolo - from memory the issue is not that you cannot parse valid XHTML with Revs XML externals, rather that Revs native htmltext is not valid XML and therefore cannot be parsed using Revs XML externals! Strange but true. However from memory the problem is caused by html entities not being escaped in htmltext and breaking the XML parsing. You can get around this by replacing the htmltext enitities with XML compliant ones. You should not have any problems with valid XHTML though. On 13/03/2008, paolo mazza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Revs, as far as I know XHTML cannot be parsed with the XML tools in Rev. Why? Don't you think It would be great manage the XHTML code with the RevXML tools? I found these the following messages on the list dated 23-12-2006. Anything has changed then? Paolo Mazza MESSAGES: Unfortunately my experience with the different protocols is very limited. The world wide conferences try to accommodate all the interested parties when they publish their standards, but I don't study the rationale they use. I know part of the rationale is driven by the big companies. Someone like Ken Ray can give a good answer. There are so many flavors of text markup languages (TML) that have been promulgated for different purposes, I am not sure there can ever be a standard way of parsing them. I think that in the beginning a markup language was only for the display of elements in a 'browser', not an organized data system. One key part of a browser program is that if it does not know what to do with a tag, it silently ignores it rather than producing an error message. In other words, errors do not break the page, they result in something displayed poorly or not at all. Hopefully someone with real knowledge in this area will chime in. Jim Ault Las Vegas On 12/23/06 8:48 AM, David Bovill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jim _ thought that was the whole point of xHTML? That is that xHTML is HTML that works with XML parsers - that is why you can view xHTML outlines in tools such as GoLive. I assumed htmltext from it's look was xHTML compliant - ans so always assumd that it would be straightforward to parse with the XML tools The question is where the logic breaks - is it that xMHTML cannot be parsed with the XML tools in Rev - or is it that for some crazy reason htmltext is not XHTML compliant (ie a subset of xHTML) and therefore alid XML. If the latter which I suspect? - what would I need to do to htmltext to make it valid XML? On 23/12/06, Jim Ault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HTML text is a system of tags that signal what item is start /end whereas XML is much more of an 'outliner' with inheritance defining children and nodes. They both have the / look, but HTML is not regimented the same way except for Tables, Frames, and a few other constructs. Now if you add in javascript and css, HTML is even less like XML, so the parent.child relationship is even more remote. It is hard to imagine a single parser that would work for both. Perhaps in special cases that you generate to stay within rules. Jim Ault Las Vegas On 12/22/06 10:17 PM, David Bovill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am using the script to parse the htmltext of Revs text fields - so it is a nice fixed target. Here is the script I have at the moment modified slightly from your suggestions to work with anchors: function html_ExtractAnchors someHtml put someHtml into htmlPage replace CR with empty in htmlPage --text is now one line replace name= with name= CR in htmlPage replace /a with /a CR in htmlPage -- filter htmlPage with *http://*; -- set the itemdel to filter htmlPage with (quote */a) set the itemdel to quote put empty into newLinkList repeat for each line LNN in htmlPage put item 2 of LNN cr after newLinkList -- put item 1 of LNN cr after newLinkList end repeat delete last char of newLinkList return newLinkList end html_ExtractAnchors NB - anyone managed to use the XML libraries on htmltext - this is the sort of thing I mean - which fais with html entities: function html_AttributeValues someHtml, attributeName, childName, depth -- does not work with htmlEntities! put revCreateXMLTree(someHtml, true, true, false) into treeID if char 1 to 6 of treeID is xmlerr then put someHtml opn_Notify treeID, true exit to top end if if depth is empty then put -1 into depth put revXMLRootNode(treeID) into startNode put revXMLAttributeValues(treeID, startNode, childName, attributeName, CR, depth) into attributeValues revDeleteXMLTree treeID return word 1 to -1 of attributeValues end html_AttributeValues Would be nice... ___ use-revolution mailing list
Dilbert
Hi, Although Dilbert.com used to try to prevent people from downloading cartoons or showing cartoons in places on the net other than the Dilbert homepage, there now is a Flash widget freely available. A few days ago, I put the HTML code needed to display the Flash widget into a stack and now I've put that stack on-line on the Economy-x-Talk homepage. You can download the stack by going to the homepage (see below) and clicking on the Developers link. You'll find it at the bottom of the page. Best regards, Mark Schonewille -- Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz A large collection of scripts for HyperCard, Revolution, SuperCard and other programming languages can be found at http://runrev.info ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Dilbert
Mark, I tried your stack and imediattley got a Flash error Adobe Flash Player has stopped a potentially unsafe operation - The following local application on your computer or network: applewebdata:blah blah is trying to communicate with this Internet-enabled location: bin.clearspring.com with To let this application communicate with the internet, click settings. You must restart this application after changing your settings. OK, Cancel Is this Mac OSX, Flash or RR or Your code in RR doing this? First time I have seen this. Thanks Tom McGrath On Mar 14, 2008, at 9:57 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote: Hi, Although Dilbert.com used to try to prevent people from downloading cartoons or showing cartoons in places on the net other than the Dilbert homepage, there now is a Flash widget freely available. A few days ago, I put the HTML code needed to display the Flash widget into a stack and now I've put that stack on-line on the Economy-x- Talk homepage. You can download the stack by going to the homepage (see below) and clicking on the Developers link. You'll find it at the bottom of the page. Best regards, Mark Schonewille -- Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz A large collection of scripts for HyperCard, Revolution, SuperCard and other programming languages can be found at http://runrev.info ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Thomas McGrath III [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.lazyriversoftware.com Mac OS10.5.2 2.4 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo 4 GB 667 MHz DDR2 SDRAM Revolution Enterprise Version 2.9.0-dp-5 Build 540 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Learn Programming in 1 Day
I really don't it's quite fair to belittle this effort. If I were still in my early stages of learning rev, I'd really want to take that course. Jacque is one of the best Rev-xTalk educators around, and she communicates very well. Actually, she's educated me since my first day on this list in 2002, and her presentations at Revcon were very useful to me. Even as a HC programmer since 1987, there are always things for me to learn from Jacque, Dan, Chipp, Jerry, Ken, Andre, and others. sqb -- stephen barncard s a n f r a n c i s c o - - - - - - - - - - - - ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Learn Programming in 1 Day
Richmond, if you think we can't teach the basics of using Revolution to new users in just one day, I challenge you to come along and see for yourself. If you go home again without having learned anything new I will personally refund your ticket**. The aim of the day is to give new users a thorough grounding in Revolution, and the tools to continue to learn. Besides, the day finishes with a Cocktail Soiree, you get to party on down with Jo and the rest of the team - I wonder if Jo really will get that Vegas costume she was talking about... Dave: about 200 (toes). JB: I imagine you could probably learn quite a bit of Flash in one day. Since Rev is enormously better than Flash*** its certainly possible to learn to do useful work with it in one day. Marian: with Jacque, Devin, Kevin, Scott and Andre teaching you, this is going to turn out to be the smartest decision of the year for you. Warm Regards, Heather **Offer open exclusively to Richmond Mathewson, new things learned includes what Kevin and Mark are really like, how expert all the presenters are on Revolution and how incredibly hard they work. ***My biased opinion based on having worked for Runtime for the last 10 years (we must be doing something right, eh, we're still here and more toes than even before) On 14 Mar 2008, at 11:50, Petrides, M.D. Marian wrote: I realize these comments are intended primarily as humor. However turning serious for a minute, this sounds like a great opportunity for self-taught programmers like me to actually build a solid foundation (instead of the sloppy mess I currently muddle by with--hey, I DO have my roots in BASIC after all--color me master of spaghetti code) onto which to tack the day-to-day learning we are doing. My 2 cents. M On Mar 14, 2008, at 6:29 AM, Dave wrote: Maybe be the RunRev programming team were of the same course! Would explain a lot! ducking for cover Happy Weekend! Dave On 14 Mar 2008, at 11:20, jbv wrote: Depends on what you mean by programming... I've often met graphic designers using Flash who write scripts with a complexity equivalent to go prev / go next, or who copy/paste some scripts they grabbed on the web and in which they change 1 or 2 parameters, and then claim to be graphic designers AND programmers... In that case, I guess 1 day is enough... JB Learn Programming in 1 Day really ? I must be extremely stupid then. And, no I don't need 100 replies to confirm the above:) love, Richmond __ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Heather Nagey Customer Services Manager Runtime Revolution Ltd http://www.runrev.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Dilbert
Hi Tom, I bet this isn't Mac OS X, Flash, RR nor my code. You must be using some software that checks outgoing connections. The stack connects to clearspring.com to get the Flash widget. However, it connects to dilbert.com first, so I don't understand why you don't get an error about that first. You wrote me off-list about mouse irresponsiveness. This has nothing to do with my code, but with either RevBrowser or Flash. I'll have to figure that out and perhaps post a bug to QCC. If anyone else has problems with mouse clicks in RevBrowser, please file a bug. Many thanks for your comments! Best regards, Mark Schonewille -- Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz A large collection of scripts for HyperCard, Revolution, SuperCard and other programming languages can be found at http://runrev.info On 14 mrt 2008, at 15:49, Thomas McGrath III wrote: Mark, I tried your stack and imediattley got a Flash error Adobe Flash Player has stopped a potentially unsafe operation - The following local application on your computer or network: applewebdata:blah blah is trying to communicate with this Internet-enabled location: bin.clearspring.com with To let this application communicate with the internet, click settings. You must restart this application after changing your settings. OK, Cancel Is this Mac OSX, Flash or RR or Your code in RR doing this? First time I have seen this. Thanks Tom McGrath ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Learn Programming in 1 Day
At 2:56 PM + 3/14/08, Heather Nagey wrote: Richmond, if you think we can't teach the basics of using Revolution to new users in just one day, I challenge you to come along and see for yourself. I feel sure that some of the comments were distinguishing between what most people do with tools like Rev, and what programming is. Taking an extreme example, anyone who goes to your one day thing will certainly get a good head start in doing useful things with Rev, and someone who learned programming in a day could come away and write Revolution itself. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Learn Programming in 1 Day
jbv wrote: I for one have about 30 years of experience as a programmer, and have used about 20 different languages... Of course *mastering* programming takes a lifetime, and of course no one-day session will attempt to accomplish that. But my first experience with an xTalk (after deciding computers were boring back in high school from having learned BASIC on a Wang) was the exhilarating feeling that comes with making a button and scripting simply: on mouseUp go next end mouseUp In that instant I was hooked! I've spent the better part of the subsequent 20 years learning more; different languages, coding practices, style, architecture, design, workflow analysis, and I'm still learning new things every day. But it all has to begin somewhere. And with Rev, it's quite possible to learn enough to accomplish some small but satisfying tasks in a single day. That success will do more to encourage the new programmer to move on to 20 KLOC code bases than attempting such a beast first time out. Given that the art of programming is fueled by curiosity and enthusiasm, Marian's comments were more reflective of the process that leads toward success than many others in this thread. We can spend our day nit-picking the wording of other people's marketing, or we can accept that perhaps RunRev's invitation wasn't targeted at those of us who've been coding for decades, and instead devote our energies to learning and sharing that learning. Which is a more compelling demonstration of accomplishment? -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal ___ Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Calling all Newbies (and gurus)
On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 8:26 AM, Heather Nagey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can now buy this day as a one day training course, even if you can't make the rest of the conference. You long-standing list members and Revolution Gurus, keep reading, this day is for you too! We're running Open Kitchen sessions all day, with all the conference presenters and staff members we can round up and lock in a room, so that they can help you with one on one expertise and hands on demonstrations of how to figure out that obscure bit of coding that's been bugging you. Just a heads up. This is your conference, arranged for your benefit, so if you've been binning the promos and ignoring the newsletter articles, give it one more look and ask yourself, can I afford to miss this? Instead of writing to support or this list with your technical bafflements, get real life instruction from the experts. Ask anyone on this list who has been to a conference before, whether it was worth the money, time and effort. Email is great, the Internet is wonderful, books and tutorials are indispensable, but there is nothing beats real interaction with real people. Hope to see you there! Warm Regards, Heather Heather Nagey Customer Services Manager Runtime Revolution Ltd http://www.runrev.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Hello Heather, I could certainly use some professional quality training and badly need an upgrade from Rev Studio 2.5.1, so I've had my eye on the conference, since the goodie bag with a new version of Studio would help considerably... unfortunately, the date of the conference is during our busiest time of the year here in our office. ...I don't suppose the goodie bag applies to the pre-conference event does it? David ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: A chunking mystery
David Coker wrote: Consider (for starters) what happens if you have embedded commas in a line like this: Los Angeles, CA,0,1 Column 3 in your CSV file is 1 Item 3 is 0 = Trouble! You are certainly correct there, my friend! In this case though, as part of the process for the raw source files that are already in a somewhat usable CSV format, I first convert the data into a piped | format, then strip out any extra quotes and commas *and* shuffle the target field up to the 2nd item position. Afterwards, I convert the data back to CSV format before doing any additional processing. Have you considered converting to tab-delimited instead of back to CSV? Because commas appear so frequently in data, they're notoriously cumbersome to parse. With my WebMerge product I have to handle just about any delimited columnar format, and it converts everything to tab-delimited internally for simpler processing and to help me with debugging, since I can dump contents into a field in one move and they naturally display in columns. At the risk of sounding like I'm on a crusade against CSV (I am), it may be even better to go back to the source of the documents and request a version in a less ridiculous format. ;) I understand that may not be possible, but damn! it amazes me how many programs continue to perpetuate the fundamental conceptual error that is CSV (or rather are, since there is no single CSV specification; indeed, even Microsoft uses different variants among their apps, sometimes switching escaping conventions between versions). I dream of the day when the CSV dies the natural death that should have made it extinct decades ago if only we lived in a rational world. For my own part, in every app I write that exports data, we support tab-delimited, XML, and others, but I cannot in good conscience export to any flavor of CSV. I would estimate that the world has lost several million programmer hours to dealing with the inherent idiocies of CSV since it premiered. Imagine what could have been accomplished if that time were put into features -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation Developer of WebMerge: Publish any database on any Web site ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Learn Programming in 1 Day
Dave wrote: Maybe be the RunRev programming team were of the same course! Would explain a lot! Hey, go easy on us, okay? :) I'm teaching that thing, along with some very talented others. The course will be a whirlwind intro to Rev including some basic programming concepts, intended for those who have little to no experience. I didn't write the marketing blitz, but I do think that when we're done, the students will have enough information to continue on their own and increase their skills. And by the end of the day they will have proceded from zero knowledge to a working, internet-connected standalone stack. That's sort of programming, don't you think? Sort of? -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Learn Programming in 1 Day
Heather, JB: I imagine you could probably learn quite a bit of Flash in one day. Since Rev is enormously better than Flash*** its certainly possible to learn to do useful work with it in one day. I've been using Xtalk since 1987 and still discover tricks and new more efficient ways to achieve tasks with it So I agree with you : it's no doubt possible to learn/teach the basics of Rev in 1 day, but that's a completely different thing than learning programming in 1 day. Besides, what ppl evaluate as useful things is often determined by their own level of programming skills. A complete newbie will be thrilled to be able to build an adress book with a search function in 1 single day (often by reusing pieces of code from various examples), but well, who would dare to say that he/she learned programming ? I don't want to keep this thread running forever, but I keep thinking that code as you think would have been a better claim... Best regards, JB ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Learn Programming in 1 Day
Richard Gaskin a *crit : But my first experience with an xTalk (after deciding computers were boring back in high school from having learned BASIC on a Wang) was the exhilarating feeling that comes with making a button and scripting simply: on mouseUp go next end mouseUp In that instant I was hooked! so why not say Get hooked in 1 day ?;-) Seriously, I guess you already know from my contrbutions to this list during the past few years that, although I've used different prog. languages, xTalk remains my favorite. But I'm afraid that claims such as learn programming in 1 day will keep most serious programmers away from Rev for a long time, as they'll keep seeing it as a funny toy for beginners... How many times have we seen claims such as do your own magazine in no time in the desktop publishing era, or build your website in hours more recently ? Besides, any seriously motivated person can learn the basics of programming with various languages in short time... Yes, it'll be less fun and it'll take a load more of motivation but nevertheless it can be done. I for one learned programming in Fortran and PDP11 assembler, and believe me in short time I was hooked. The truth is that programmability is an addiction per se. And of course, the more ergonomic, the more addictive it gets... What makes HC offspring so unique (and attractive) is the combination of the stack/card paradigm with the possibility to code in (almost) fluent english... And again, sorry for repeating myself (yes I'm aging), but code as you think is better IMHO... May be it's been used already... Best, JB ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Dilbert
On 14 Mar 2008, at 15:29, Mark Schonewille wrote: Hi Tom, I bet this isn't Mac OS X, Flash, RR nor my code. You must be using some software that checks outgoing connections. The stack connects to clearspring.com to get the Flash widget. However, it connects to dilbert.com first, so I don't understand why you don't get an error about that first. I think this is a Flash Player message. I'm seeing it too. You generally get it when you open a swf file locally and that swf file tries to conenct to the internet. But I think you may see it when a swf loaded from one domain tries to connect to a url at a different domain. Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Dilbert
Hi, I think I should add that this stack works with Revolution 2.8.1 and later. I should have mentioned that rightaway. Sorry. Best regards, Mark Schonewille -- Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz A large collection of scripts for HyperCard, Revolution, SuperCard and other programming languages can be found at http://runrev.info On 14 mrt 2008, at 14:57, Mark Schonewille wrote: Hi, Although Dilbert.com used to try to prevent people from downloading cartoons or showing cartoons in places on the net other than the Dilbert homepage, there now is a Flash widget freely available. A few days ago, I put the HTML code needed to display the Flash widget into a stack and now I've put that stack on-line on the Economy-x- Talk homepage. You can download the stack by going to the homepage (see below) and clicking on the Developers link. You'll find it at the bottom of the page. Best regards, Mark Schonewille ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: A chunking mystery
Have you considered converting to tab-delimited instead of back to CSV? Hi Richard, Yes sir, that is something I have considered for sure and may decide to go that route. Since the majority of the data files we use are in csv, I just started with that rather than having to open and resave each file in Excel prior to processing. For the version I'm building for my own use here at the office, the final data must be in CSV in order to be usable with our business system, but the more generic version that I hope to offer to others eventually, does already have a final conversion feature to choices of csv, tabbed and piped formats. With my WebMerge product I have to handle just about any delimited columnar format... Heh, although I haven't had the need to use it in quite some time, I'm actually one of you registered users. A nice piece of work there! :) David ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Learn Programming in 1 Day
jbv wrote: Richard Gaskin a *crit : But my first experience with an xTalk (after deciding computers were boring back in high school from having learned BASIC on a Wang) was the exhilarating feeling that comes with making a button and scripting simply: on mouseUp go next end mouseUp In that instant I was hooked! so why not say Get hooked in 1 day ?;-) Because it conjures images of meth addicts from Barstow. :) Seriously, I guess you already know from my contrbutions to this list during the past few years that, although I've used different prog. languages, xTalk remains my favorite. But I'm afraid that claims such as learn programming in 1 day will keep most serious programmers away from Rev for a long time, as they'll keep seeing it as a funny toy for beginners... Maybe, but I'd argue that the biggest hurdle for learning Rev as a second language has more to do with the things we love about it, all the unique differences which I feel give Rev a productivity advantage but which are absolutely mind-bending for developers experienced with other systems. At the heart of this is pondering what the definition of is is, or more specifically, what programming is. If they'd said Master programming in a day!, I'd be right there with you. But to be able to write a simple program in a day is fully achievable for beginners, and in my own view constitutes programming. Meeting you halfway, perhaps future marketing might use Learn the basics of programming in a day. That should satisfy just about everyone, while still remaining attractive to those for whom it's intended. ...but code as you think is better IMHO... I dunno. Some folks think in pretty strange ways. ;) In fact, I don't know that I even think in terms of how the engine thinks. For example, when my gal asks me where I left the car keys, I've never said, get the keys of car of drawer topleft of cabinet counter of room kitchen of this house. I agree that one of Rev's main benefits is that it's extremely-high-level language and object model allows us to spend more time thinking in terms of UI rather than API. But I've not yet come across a tagline which expresses that well. -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal ___ Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Dilbert
Hi Colin, I've noticed that the mouse isn't too responsive, but didn't have much problems with it myself. I think this is a bug in RevBrowser, but I'm not completely sure yet. Best regards, Mark Schonewille -- Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz A large collection of scripts for HyperCard, Revolution, SuperCard and other programming languages can be found at http://runrev.info On 14 mrt 2008, at 18:21, Colin Holgate wrote: Do you know that although the swf loads, and today's panels shows, the buttons don't work? You can't move on to the next part of the panel. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Dilbert
Hi Dave, Why don't I see that message, I wonder? Best regards, Mark Schonewille -- Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz A large collection of scripts for HyperCard, Revolution, SuperCard and other programming languages can be found at http://runrev.info On 14 mrt 2008, at 17:34, Dave Cragg wrote: I think this is a Flash Player message. I'm seeing it too. You generally get it when you open a swf file locally and that swf file tries to conenct to the internet. But I think you may see it when a swf loaded from one domain tries to connect to a url at a different domain. Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Dilbert
By the way, what tool did you make the Dilbert stack in? It thinks it's a Metacard 2.4 document. Is that normal for a Rev file? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: A chunking mystery
David Coker wrote: Have you considered converting to tab-delimited instead of back to CSV? Hi Richard, Yes sir, that is something I have considered for sure and may decide to go that route. Since the majority of the data files we use are in csv, I just started with that rather than having to open and resave each file in Excel prior to processing. For the version I'm building for my own use here at the office, the final data must be in CSV in order to be usable with our business system, but the more generic version that I hope to offer to others eventually, does already have a final conversion feature to choices of csv, tabbed and piped formats. If memory serves, you can use tab-delimited in all ways you would use CSV with Excel, even writing a tabbed file and launching Excel with it to have it interpreted and rendered automatically. With my WebMerge product I have to handle just about any delimited columnar format... Heh, although I haven't had the need to use it in quite some time, I'm actually one of you registered users. A nice piece of work there! :) I thought I'd seen your name somewhere else before. :) Thanks for the generous words. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation Developer of WebMerge: Publish any database on any Web site ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Learn Programming in 1 Day
Heather Nagey wrote: If you go home again without having learned anything new I will personally refund your ticket**. To which: 1. What a jolly nice offer. 2. I am absolutely sure I would learn lots of new things. 3. 'Learning lots of new things' does not constitute Learning Programming in 1 Day. To suggest that one can Learn Programming (and by 'Programming' I understand quite a comprehensive understanding) in 1 day is disingenuous and, potentially, rather misleading. It reminds me of my younger son's IT lessons at school: how to boot up WinXP, how to shutdown WinXP, how to send an e-mail, how to type a letter on MSOffice, save it and open it again. Luckily the average 12 year-old in Bulgaria is about a light-year ahead of the Minister for Education so is not badly misled. My knowledge of programming (which I would characterise as Intermediate at best) is based on lessons and experience with programming in a variety of programming languages across 12 different types of computers and a lot of operating systems (remember MOS ?). Anything I would learn at your conference would be information that I could pile on top of 33 years of previous knowledge; unless of course you are intending to explain the details of subroutines. Unfortunately, or fortunately (which depends if you want a six-foot-something red-head in a kilt with an aggressive attitude to boot) I cannot afford an air-ticket to anywhere just at the moment. I, also, don't drink cocktails. Now, on a point that is much more serious; could some people have a look at my TEXTIFIER stack, Please. sincerely, Richmond Mathewson A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development Life Cycle. ___ Rise to the challenge for Sport Relief with Yahoo! For Good http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Learn Programming in 1 Day
S. Barncard wrote: I really don't it's quite fair to belittle this effort. If I were still in my early stages of learning rev, I'd really want to take that course. I have no intention of belittling Jacque's efforts. I just saw 'red' when I saw the title. How about Learn The Salient Central Points to Runtime Revolution Programming in 1 Day ? It is not as catchy; but it might be less misleading. sincerely, Richmond Mathewson A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development Life Cycle. ___ Rise to the challenge for Sport Relief with Yahoo! For Good http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Dilbert
Do you know that although the swf loads, and today's panels shows, the buttons don't work? You can't move on to the next part of the panel. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Exporting Everything To Text
Deleted TEXTIFIER and attempted to upload an upgraded version that spits out Stack scripts. However, after 25 attempts gave up; will try later. sincerely, Richmond Mathewson A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development Life Cycle. ___ Rise to the challenge for Sport Relief with Yahoo! For Good http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Dilbert
Mark I get it here also. Does appear to be a flash player message. clicking the settings button does nothing for me. flash player 9 has no prefs i can see. any ideas of where these setting are? jeff On Mar 14, 2008, at 1:00 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I bet this isn't Mac OS X, Flash, RR nor my code. You must be using some software that checks outgoing connections. The stack connects to clearspring.com to get the Flash widget. However, it connects to dilbert.com first, so I don't understand why you don't get an error about that first. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
what is RevBrowser?
Does RevBrowser exist? The help system still shows how to use it, but online I read messages about it not being available anymore, and the Browser example stack isn't in the 2.8 or 2.9 files. Trying to use it as described in the help doesn't give any errors, but also it doesn't seem to do anything else either. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Exporting Everything To Text
Uploaded improved TEXTIFIER that spits out Stack scripts. Oddly enough my revOnline stack kept returning ERROR messages when it had, in fact, uploaded. sincerely, Richmond Mathewson A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development Life Cycle. ___ Rise to the challenge for Sport Relief with Yahoo! For Good http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Dilbert
That's what I experienced as well. Try a double or triple click and see if you can get it to work. Some worked and others won't Tom On Mar 14, 2008, at 1:21 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: Do you know that although the swf loads, and today's panels shows, the buttons don't work? You can't move on to the next part of the panel. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Learn Programming in 1 Day
I honestly think that learning to program in Rev in a day is not far off the mark. The problem (as it is with java, .net, flex, etc.) isn't the language its the framework. Rev (and the rest of them for that matter) has such a rich framework that I doubt anyone really knows them completely, we just use the objects we like and make them do what we want. In fact, they should put a copy of Rev media on the 199 laptop initiative (and asus EEs). Soon we would have an avalanche of Rev users! I personally could not think of a better starting language than rev. Once it gives us multi-stack capability I am not sure why it wouldn't be the preferred language for almost any task. Neal Campbell www.abrohamnealsoftware.com AIM:nealk3nc On Mar 14, 2008, at 1:21 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: jbv wrote: Richard Gaskin a *crit : But my first experience with an xTalk (after deciding computers were boring back in high school from having learned BASIC on a Wang) was the exhilarating feeling that comes with making a button and scripting simply: on mouseUp go next end mouseUp In that instant I was hooked! so why not say Get hooked in 1 day ?;-) Because it conjures images of meth addicts from Barstow. :) Seriously, I guess you already know from my contrbutions to this list during the past few years that, although I've used different prog. languages, xTalk remains my favorite. But I'm afraid that claims such as learn programming in 1 day will keep most serious programmers away from Rev for a long time, as they'll keep seeing it as a funny toy for beginners... Maybe, but I'd argue that the biggest hurdle for learning Rev as a second language has more to do with the things we love about it, all the unique differences which I feel give Rev a productivity advantage but which are absolutely mind-bending for developers experienced with other systems. At the heart of this is pondering what the definition of is is, or more specifically, what programming is. If they'd said Master programming in a day!, I'd be right there with you. But to be able to write a simple program in a day is fully achievable for beginners, and in my own view constitutes programming. Meeting you halfway, perhaps future marketing might use Learn the basics of programming in a day. That should satisfy just about everyone, while still remaining attractive to those for whom it's intended. ...but code as you think is better IMHO... I dunno. Some folks think in pretty strange ways. ;) In fact, I don't know that I even think in terms of how the engine thinks. For example, when my gal asks me where I left the car keys, I've never said, get the keys of car of drawer topleft of cabinet counter of room kitchen of this house. I agree that one of Rev's main benefits is that it's extremely-high- level language and object model allows us to spend more time thinking in terms of UI rather than API. But I've not yet come across a tagline which expresses that well. -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal ___ Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Learn Programming in 1 Day
Learn Programming in 1 Day Certainly a bold claim-- not unlike many of the claims I make to my clients like, Write a Timeline based Video Editor with 3 Audio Tracks, from Scratch in under 40 hours. Frankly, Rev's bold claim has already been the subject of near 20 messages on this list-- I'd say it's doing it's job nicely promoting the 'before' session. Well done. I will also add: At the last RevCon held in Monterey, Jacque did a marvelous job with the same format (though unfortunately we didn't have the catchy headline) and it received some of the highest marks of all sessions for the conference. And while I doubt it's targeted directly at existing professional software developers, they will MOST CERTAINLY learn new stuff. Heck, Dan and I learned new stuff the few times we peeked in! Richmond, I'd agree with Heather, you certainly will learn lots more than you know today. In fact, these conferences are wonderful events for learning new stuff about Rev. I encourage people to plan on going-- I'll certainly be there! -Chipp ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Dilbert
At 3:26 PM -0400 3/14/08, Thomas McGrath III wrote: That's what I experienced as well. Try a double or triple click and see if you can get it to work. Yes, that helps. Pretty sure the Flash thing is in AS3, and with the way event listeners work I can imagine that if it's listening for a click event it might miss it the first time. The buttons that work, like the initial arrow, are listening for mousedown. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: what is RevBrowser?
At 1:55 PM -0600 3/14/08, Devin Asay wrote: /Applications/Revolution Enterprise (or Studio)/2.8.1-gm-3/Resources/Examples/Browser Sampler.rev HTH It did, thanks. I was looking in Sample Projects by mistake. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Learn Programming in 1 Day
Richard Gaskin wrote: In fact, I don't know that I even think in terms of how the engine thinks. For example, when my gal asks me where I left the car keys, I've never said, get the keys of car of drawer topleft of cabinet counter of room kitchen of this house. LOL. But I bet you wanted to. :) -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
hardware 3D in Rev
Now that I've found the RevBrowser example, I tried making a change to the launch button: --set the altHomeURL of stack InetBrowser to http://www.runrev.com; set the altHomeURL of stack InetBrowser to http://staff.funnygarbage.com/colin/solarsystem.dcr; If your machine has shockwave running on it you should get to see some hardware 3D in action. Read the instructions on the first screen to see how to make planets and how to fly around, then click to go onto the screen with the 3D in it. If you see a security dialog, just click the first Allow option. I suspect this may not work out well on Intel Macs for now, unless Rev is set to use Rosetta. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Learn Programming in 1 Day
On Mar 14, 2008, at 2:51 PM, Chipp Walters wrote: Frankly, Rev's bold claim has already been the subject of near 20 messages on this list-- I'd say it's doing it's job nicely promoting the 'before' session. Well done. That it has. I had figured this conference was WAY over my head until I got the pre-conference session email yesterday. Now, I'm planning on attending the full conference + pre conference and also am trying to rope one or two of my other colleagues into coming along. Good show! ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: what is RevBrowser?
Colin Holgate wrote: Does RevBrowser exist? The help system still shows how to use it, but online I read messages about it not being available anymore, and the Browser example stack isn't in the 2.8 or 2.9 files. Trying to use it as described in the help doesn't give any errors, but also it doesn't seem to do anything else either. Yes, it exists. It was originally a product from Altuit, who recently sold it to Runtime. The online references you found probably are refering to the Altuit product, which no longer exists. RevBrowser is implemented as an external and will load automatically when you launch Revolution. The sample stack is called Browser Sampler and I see a copy in the Revolution installation folder, inside Resources/Examples. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: what is RevBrowser?
At 3:15 PM -0500 3/14/08, J. Landman Gay wrote: The online references you found probably are refering to the Altuit product, which no longer exists. Yes, that makes sense, especially now that I've found the example file! ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Error -43 starting recording
It turns out this only happens with QuickTime 7.4.1 (at least it didn't happen with QT 7.2) on Windows. I've logged it as bug # 6076. Peter T. Evensen wrote: Hi, Eric, That doesn't really help. I'm still getting the error. The second link only apply to streaming Real Audio media. I don't understand File not found (if that indeed is what error -43 means with record sound file) means in this context. It's supposed to be creating the file. Anyone ever see this? Eric Chatonet wrote: Hi Peter, http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=107032 -- Mac http://service.real.com/help/errors/error43.html -- Win Hope this helps. Le 7 mars 08 à 18:49, Peter T. Evensen a écrit : I'm trying to 'record sound file compare.wav' and I'm getting Error -43 starting recording. What does that mean? -43 on Mac means file not found. I am on Windows XP, running Rev 2.8.1 I had this working a while ago. Now when I come back to the project, it isn't working. Thanks! -- Peter T. Evensen Best regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. Plugins and tutorials for Revolution: http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Peter T. Evensen Juice Plus+ Independent Distributor 314-629-5248 or 888-628-4588 http://www.PetersRoadToHealth.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Dilbert
Hi, works here under Vista Ultimate with FlashPlayer 9 without problmes. No error message and no problems with clicking the buttons. Regards, Matthias Original Message Subject: Dilbert (14-Mrz-2008 15:29) From:Mark Schonewille [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, Although Dilbert.com used to try to prevent people from downloading cartoons or showing cartoons in places on the net other than the Dilbert homepage, there now is a Flash widget freely available. A few days ago, I put the HTML code needed to display the Flash widget into a stack and now I've put that stack on-line on the Economy-x-Talk homepage. You can download the stack by going to the homepage (see below) and clicking on the Developers link. You'll find it at the bottom of the page. Best regards, Mark Schonewille -- Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz A large collection of scripts for HyperCard, Revolution, SuperCard and other programming languages can be found at http://runrev.info ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Learn Programming in 1 Day
Chipp Walters wrote: I will also add: At the last RevCon held in Monterey, Jacque did a marvelous job with the same format (though unfortunately we didn't have the catchy headline) and it received some of the highest marks of all sessions for the conference. I have to say, much or most of that success was due to Devin, who has extensive experience teaching Rev. He's just a marvel at it, and his instincts for what newcomers need to learn is spot-on. The good part is, he's helping me with this year's sessions too, for which I am very grateful. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Record sound no longer works in XP with Rev 2.7.1
It appears that set the dontUseQT to true doesn't force record sound file to use MCI. Is that what you are doing? I still get the error -43 starting recording error message. Or do you have to use MCISendString()? Richard Miller wrote: I just updated to Quicktime 7.4.1 on an XP Home and a Vista computer. Using Rev 2.7.1, the record sound command appears dead. Has this been reported by others? It's certainly a serious problem for a few of my programs. The MCI alternative still works, but I find that not nearly as flexible. Richard Miller ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Learn Programming in 1 Day
Marian Petrides, MD a *crit : Now, I'm planning on attending the full conference + pre conference and what about post - conference ? sorry... couldn't resist... JB ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Learn Programming in 1 Day
Ladies and gentlemen, What we have been witnessing here is the 'thin-skin' phenomenon that all programmers must go through in order to become MASTER Programmers. This problem starts occurring from the day a potential programmer cuts his/her first line of code for an end user and continues to the day the last mousebutton is clicked. The only remedy for this minor irritation is to sit back, have a good laugh and go on to the next problem. If we can't give as good as we get, then we shouldn't be classing ourselves as 'experts'. My only suggestion to the presenters of the learn Programming in 1 Day sessions would be for them to stress what I have just said to the people attending the introduction. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Learn Programming in 1 Day
I'm actually going to have to leave the conference Sat around noon because of flight connections :-( It stinks, I know, but my real job pays for my fun job (playing with Rev). On Mar 14, 2008, at 4:05 PM, jbv wrote: Marian Petrides, MD a *crit : Now, I'm planning on attending the full conference + pre conference and what about post - conference ? sorry... couldn't resist... JB ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Calling all Newbies (and gurus)
David, ...I don't suppose the goodie bag applies to the pre-conference event does it? If you're only attending the preconference, you'll receive a copy of Revolution Media (instead of Studio). Bill ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Survey ?
Richmond, I found an invitation to take a survey for the RR Beta in my inbox... The URL you posted happens to contain your unique key which is used to ensure recipients of the poll get to vote only once. I sure hope no one used up your ballot because I know we all find your feedback invaluable :) I have checked and it seems Zoomerang is behaving properly. Not sure what would have caused your site not found error previously. - Bill ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Learn Programming in 1 Day
Richmond, Learn Programming in 1 Day really? Really. The Day One Pass previously offered just to people who purchased the RevSelect bundle is now available to everyone. People who attend will begin with a blank slate and by the end of the day will produce a fully operational standalone application that works on Mac, Windows, and Linux. The courses build on each other and follow a progression: - Revolution fundamentals - Important scripting concepts - Manipulating text and data - Working with the file system - Orchestrating multimedia content - Exchanging data over the Internet - Lightning-fast database processing - Migrating from HyperCard - Building a standalone executable Not only that, but those who order before March 31 will receive a free copy of the conference DVD, which contains all the sessions from the conference, all the sample stacks, etc. (It does not include the non-disclosure day, though.) In other words, you'll get an intensive day of instruction presented by the best and brightest people in the community (people who have been helping out on this list for YEARS). As the mailer states, this is a great opportunity to achieve liftoff for programming. Because not only do you get the in-person training, but you also get a DVD you can take home and review what you learned on that day... PLUS ALL THE OTHER SESSIONS held during the conference. That's an incredible amount of content... a great value. Anyone who is interested in better comprehension of Revolution will benefit immensley. As stated by others, learning is not mastery -- if there is such a thing. Learning hopefully is a lifelong process. We don't promise that you will be able to single-handedly build an Office Suite at the end of the day. We do promise that you will acquire the experience you need to begin using Revolution effectively. I think the content of the mailer elaborates on this clearly. To the extent the subject line of the email is slightly provocative/controversial and got people to open it to learn more, I'm not apologetic. :) Having said that, I also think it's accurate and if what you're doing there is not learning I don't know what is! - Bill ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Multiple Stacks Active at Same Time
Joe, Thanks for the information. I'll check into this and see if I can get it to work. Steve Steven, You're in control. Just lock and unlock the screen at points where you want the user to see an updated version of the situation. At least that's how I'd do it using HC and I've heard that the save technique works with RR. Joe Wilkins ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Multiple Stacks Active at Same Time
Steve, i In rereading my post I see that my eyes let me down once again. When I said save technique, I meant same technique; I just don't want you looking/trying some save thingie! You probably figured that out, but just in case. Good luck, Joe Wilkins On Mar 14, 2008, at 9:43 PM, Steven Axtell wrote: Joe, Thanks for the information. I'll check into this and see if I can get it to work. Steve Steven, You're in control. Just lock and unlock the screen at points where you want the user to see an updated version of the situation. At least that's how I'd do it using HC and I've heard that the save technique works with RR. Joe Wilkins ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Joe Lewis Wilkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Is a RevCon a 'Guru only' event?
Petrides, M.D. Marian wrote: I had figured this conference was WAY over my head until I got the pre-conference session email yesterday. Now, I'm planning on attending the full conference + pre conference and also am trying to rope one or two of my other colleagues into coming along. Good show! Marian's email is extremely important. I am very glad that Marian has proceeded past an initial fear that the RevCon is an 'expert only' or 'Guru' sort of event. Not only that, Marian proceeds to conference promoter heaven by 'trying to rope other colleagues' into attending. My experience, memories, and satisfaction with being involved in two RevCons centers around the people I met. Of course, you'll be able to learn all kinds of Rev tips and tricks, resolve lingering code issues, and gain programming insight. But for me, getting to meet the actual people that make up one of the communities in my life has been of tremendous value on several levels. My partner Cloe was most impressed and delighted to observe that the so-called 'Gurus' of the Rev community were so approachable, confident, and just plain regular folks. Not one was the stereotypical 'geek' who has problems conversing with people or talks over everyone's head just to impress. Andre might talk over my head sometimes but the guy is so infectiously enthusiastic and positive that he inspires one to reach for that next level of skill. With the help of this List, the people at Rev, and your RevCon experience you'll be able to reach higher personal levels of achievement. I spend a good portion of my day in 'Rev Land' and being able to meet some of the people who make up this community was worth far more than any time and effort I put in. Be assured that the RevCon will not be a 'Guru Only' kinda thang. It's a people kinda thang. sims ClipaSearch Pro http://www.ClipaTools.com Across Platforms - Code and Culture http://www.ezpzapps.com/blog/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
