Re: Is a RevCon a 'Guru only' event?
I was fortunate to meet with Jim Ault year before last when I was in Vegas attending a World of Concrete Conference. Our hour together was most enjoyable and edifying; particularly since I had just started investigating Rev earlier the previous year after my lengthy 20 year adventure with HyperCard. Unfortunately, this year I will not be able to meet all of the other fine Rev personalities I've encountered on this list by attending the RevLive Conference. This is partially due to the expense, but more importantly because of my physical limitations. I won't bore you with the details, but I've recently had to curtail many of my professional and semi-professional activities to aline with my recent physical and economic limitations; but I don't want anyone at or strongly affiliated with Rev to think that I'm ignoring or playing down the benefits of attendance. I guess I'm just really not much of a conference sort of guy anyway. But being much closer than many others to Vegas, I really should make the effort. Maybe things will change. If not, know that I will be there in spirit. Anyone who is alive and well should try to attend, regardless of their level of expertise. If you've ever read any of my contributions to the Macinstruct.com website, you'll recognize my favorite mantra: that the best way to learn anything is to teach it to someone else. So even the so-called Rev Experts and Gerus will find their participation most self-gratifying. Joe Wilkins On Mar 14, 2008, at 10:37 PM, Jim Sims wrote: Petrides, M.D. Marian wrote: I had figured this conference was WAY over my head until I got the pre-conference session email yesterday. Now, I'm planning on attending the full conference + pre conference and also am trying to rope one or two of my other colleagues into coming along. Good show! Marian's email is extremely important. I am very glad that Marian has proceeded past an initial fear that the RevCon is an 'expert only' or 'Guru' sort of event. Not only that, Marian proceeds to conference promoter heaven by 'trying to rope other colleagues' into attending. My experience, memories, and satisfaction with being involved in two RevCons centers around the people I met. Of course, you'll be able to learn all kinds of Rev tips and tricks, resolve lingering code issues, and gain programming insight. But for me, getting to meet the actual people that make up one of the communities in my life has been of tremendous value on several levels. My partner Cloe was most impressed and delighted to observe that the so-called 'Gurus' of the Rev community were so approachable, confident, and just plain regular folks. Not one was the stereotypical 'geek' who has problems conversing with people or talks over everyone's head just to impress. Andre might talk over my head sometimes but the guy is so infectiously enthusiastic and positive that he inspires one to reach for that next level of skill. With the help of this List, the people at Rev, and your RevCon experience you'll be able to reach higher personal levels of achievement. I spend a good portion of my day in 'Rev Land' and being able to meet some of the people who make up this community was worth far more than any time and effort I put in. Be assured that the RevCon will not be a 'Guru Only' kinda thang. It's a people kinda thang. sims ClipaSearch Pro http://www.ClipaTools.com Across Platforms - Code and Culture http://www.ezpzapps.com/blog/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Learn Programming in 1 Day
hello, any plan to sell later that DVD and screen captures later? I'm 10.000 km away and didn't start to play with revolution, but your DVD will help me to decide. Thanks Jose The Day One Pass previously offered just to people who purchased the RevSelect bundle is now available to everyone. People who attend will begin with a blank slate and by the end of the day will produce a fully operational standalone application that works on Mac, Windows, and Linux. The courses build on each other and follow a progression: - Revolution fundamentals - Important scripting concepts - Manipulating text and data - Working with the file system - Orchestrating multimedia content - Exchanging data over the Internet - Lightning-fast database processing - Migrating from HyperCard - Building a standalone executable Not only that, but those who order before March 31 will receive a free copy of the conference DVD, which contains all the sessions from the conference, all the sample stacks, etc. (It does not include the non-disclosure day, though.) In other words, you'll get an intensive day of instruction presented by the best and brightest people in the community (people who have been helping out on this list for YEARS). As the mailer states, this is a great opportunity to achieve liftoff for programming. Because not only do you get the in-person training, but you also get a DVD you can take home and review what you learned on that day... PLUS ALL THE OTHER SESSIONS held during the conference. That's an incredible amount of content... a great value. Anyone who is interested in better comprehension of Revolution will benefit immensley. As stated by others, learning is not mastery -- if there is such a thing. Learning hopefully is a lifelong process. We don't promise that you will be able to single-handedly build an Office Suite at the end of the day. We do promise that you will acquire the experience you need to begin using Revolution effectively. I think the content of the mailer elaborates on this clearly. To the extent the subject line of the email is slightly provocative/controversial and got people to open it to learn more, I'm not apologetic. :) Having said that, I also think it's accurate and if what you're doing there is not learning I don't know what is! - Bill ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Update web page directly
Hi, I trying to update text content from a web page directly, well.. put field f_url into tURL -- get the URL from a field text get URL tURL -- get the content of the URL put it into field f_web -- put the HTML code into field text to modify, search and replace, etc.. post field f_web to URL tURL -- ?? nothing happen It's correct,... ? I'm not sure if this is the best way to do this, I need a easy tool to update some pages directly without modify from a html editor... Any hint? Cheers, Josep M -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Update-web-page-directly-tp16065729p16065729.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Learn Programming in 1 Day
Jose, any plan to sell later that DVD and screen captures later? I'm 10.000 km away and didn't start to play with revolution, but your DVD will help me to decide. Yes the DVD will be offered separately. The price will be $249. - Bill ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Update web page directly
Joseph, You shouldn't use: post field f_web to URL tURL -- ?? nothing happen nless you want to go through the trouble of setting up a php script to handle multi-part encoded files. Instead, ftp the files up to the website. -Chipp ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Update web page directly
Hi Josep, You can't post to a URL just like that, thinking that you're going to upload the data. If you use the post url command, you need to use a URL that points to a CGI script that can handle the data. Assuming you don't have such a CGI, you probably want to use FTP to upload the data. You'll need the following syntax: put fld f_web into url ftp://user:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/file.xyz Best regards, Mark Schonewille -- Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz A large collection of scripts for HyperCard, Revolution, SuperCard and other programming languages can be found at http://runrev.info On 15 mrt 2008, at 09:38, Josep wrote: Hi, I trying to update text content from a web page directly, well.. put field f_url into tURL -- get the URL from a field text get URL tURL -- get the content of the URL put it into field f_web -- put the HTML code into field text to modify, search and replace, etc.. post field f_web to URL tURL -- ?? nothing happen It's correct,... ? I'm not sure if this is the best way to do this, I need a easy tool to update some pages directly without modify from a html editor... Any hint? Cheers, Josep M -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Update-web-page-directly-tp16065729p16065729.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Learn Programming in 1 Day
To Richard Heather: yes! To everyone else: We all know that Rev is great... even dolts like me can hammer out something useful in a day.. (note that your consideration of ' useful ' is one of those things in which YMMV). I truly wish that my kids' first grade teacher would take Rev up on this... she'd not be persuaded by a tagline of spend two or three years in university to make a talking electronic book! I'm lovin' it! Judy On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 8:10 AM, Richard Gaskin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: jbv wrote: I for one have about 30 years of experience as a programmer, and have used about 20 different languages... Of course *mastering* programming takes a lifetime, and of course no one-day session will attempt to accomplish that. But my first experience with an xTalk (after deciding computers were boring back in high school from having learned BASIC on a Wang) was the exhilarating feeling that comes with making a button and scripting simply: on mouseUp go next end mouseUp In that instant I was hooked! I've spent the better part of the subsequent 20 years learning more; different languages, coding practices, style, architecture, design, workflow analysis, and I'm still learning new things every day. But it all has to begin somewhere. And with Rev, it's quite possible to learn enough to accomplish some small but satisfying tasks in a single day. That success will do more to encourage the new programmer to move on to 20 KLOC code bases than attempting such a beast first time out. Given that the art of programming is fueled by curiosity and enthusiasm, Marian's comments were more reflective of the process that leads toward success than many others in this thread. We can spend our day nit-picking the wording of other people's marketing, or we can accept that perhaps RunRev's invitation wasn't targeted at those of us who've been coding for decades, and instead devote our energies to learning and sharing that learning. Which is a more compelling demonstration of accomplishment? -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal ___ Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Learn Programming in 1 Day
But not good for a complete beginner, who keeps hearing that, to do anything useful, you have to learn to *program*... It's the P-word that keeps people from even trying, hence, if you tell then they can learn to p- in a day... (no pun intended) Judy On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 8:52 AM, jbv [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Heather, JB: I imagine you could probably learn quite a bit of Flash in one day. Since Rev is enormously better than Flash*** its certainly possible to learn to do useful work with it in one day. I've been using Xtalk since 1987 and still discover tricks and new more efficient ways to achieve tasks with it So I agree with you : it's no doubt possible to learn/teach the basics of Rev in 1 day, but that's a completely different thing than learning programming in 1 day. Besides, what ppl evaluate as useful things is often determined by their own level of programming skills. A complete newbie will be thrilled to be able to build an adress book with a search function in 1 single day (often by reusing pieces of code from various examples), but well, who would dare to say that he/she learned programming ? I don't want to keep this thread running forever, but I keep thinking that code as you think would have been a better claim... Best regards, JB ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Calling all Newbies (and gurus)
Nice... Judy On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 5:04 PM, Bill Marriott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David, ...I don't suppose the goodie bag applies to the pre-conference event does it? If you're only attending the preconference, you'll receive a copy of Revolution Media (instead of Studio). Bill ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: QT: How do I put text into a text file on the web (this is just too easy but can't get it to work)
Hi Mark, Last night I tried to fix my problem and looked at the server path using Transmit. Within a minute it worked! I knew it had to be a simple thing. Thanks again. So there is no issue with CHMOD like you said! greetings, William de Smet 2008/3/13, Mark Schonewille [EMAIL PROTECTED]: William, If you're simply trying to upload a file, it has nothing to do with CHMOD and uploaded files automatically get the right persmissions, unless it is an executable. Why do you think it has to do with CHMOD? I'd rather think that you have a router and/or firewall that's causing problems. Make sure that port 21 is open and use libURLSetFTPMode passive Actually, I have some problems with FTP myself, using the Tiger firewall and shared internet, even if I use passive FTP (regardless of whether I use Revolution or any other programme). So, I'm not sure the solution is obvious, but let's hope someone else on this list dealt with the problem before. The easiest way would probably be to (be able to) open all outgoing ports. Best regards, Mark Schonewille -- Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz A large collection of scripts for HyperCard, Revolution, SuperCard and other programming languages can be found at http://runrev.info On 13 mrt 2008, at 20:30, William de Smet wrote: Hi Mark, Tried your suggestion also but no result. Could it be a CHMOD issue then? What should the CHMOD be of that file? greetings, William 2008/3/13, Mark Schonewille [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi William, put fld results into url ftp://user:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ file.txt ftp.domain.com is sometimes www.domain.com, home.domain.com or something else. For nicer ways to do this, check out the docs regarding libURL, but if your file is small the above should work fine. Best regards, Mark Schonewille -- Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz A large collection of scripts for HyperCard, Revolution, SuperCard and other programming languages can be found at http://runrev.info On 13 mrt 2008, at 20:11, William de Smet wrote: Hi there all, This is an easy one but I having a lot of trouble with it. I got a field with text and I want to put this text into a file somewhere on the internet (www.server.com/textfile.txt). I put the file there myself through FTP. From the documentation I got: post field Results to URL http://www.example.org/current.txt; When I put this code into a button it doesn't work (of course adapted to my own situation) I looked at CHMOD and changed it from 644 to 777. But no result. What am I doing wrong? Thanks. greetings, William de Smet ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Rev message box
I am using Valentina 3.5.1 and Revolution 2.9.0-dp-5 and everything seems to be working but when I open the msg box it already has the below statement ready to execute; put Valentina_GetCurrentFormatVersion() Why is this being put in the Rev message box? I can start Rev up and have no stacks open at all and if I open the message box that statement will be there. Anyone know why it does this and can I stop it? I have already asked the Valentina list and they seem to think it is a Rev issue. -=JB=- ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Learn Programming in 1 Day
Semantics time: There is a huge difference between Learn Programming in 1 Day and Learn How to Produce Functioning Programs in 1 Day. The first title, which ever way you cut it, is fairly nonsensical; HOWEVER, the second makes perfect sense with regard to Runtime Revolution. sincerely, Richmond Mathewson. A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development Life Cycle. ___ Rise to the challenge for Sport Relief with Yahoo! For Good http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Learn Programming in 1 Day
Richmond, sorry to be so abrasive, but IMHO none of these titles makes any sense... The 1st one has been already discussed. As for the 2nd one, what exactly is a functioning Program ? put 1 + 1 into a is a functionning program, as well as echo hello world; and both can be built in a large number of languages in less than a minute... Furthermore, I don't think this topic has anything to do with semantics, but rather with the ergonomics of coding... Therefore, I'd prefer Learn how to produce a functionning piece of software that will boost your (or your client's )productivity and that isn't already available as freeware, shareware or commercial app in 1 day... Or, as suggested in earlier posts, much better : Learn how to code as you think in 1 day Kill your fear of programming in 1 day Best, JB Semantics time: There is a huge difference between Learn Programming in 1 Day and Learn How to Produce Functioning Programs in 1 Day. The first title, which ever way you cut it, is fairly nonsensical; HOWEVER, the second makes perfect sense with regard to Runtime Revolution. sincerely, Richmond Mathewson. A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development Life Cycle. ___ Rise to the challenge for Sport Relief with Yahoo! For Good http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Learn Programming in 1 Day
Enough. This is advertising, guys. Like a headline, it is meant to catch your eye and get you to read on. There's nothing sinister (or insulting) at all about it. And, in fact, it did exactly what it was designed to do, at least in my case. Do you guys get this hot and bothered about books that tell you you will learn to program in C in 24 hours (Sam's guides, if memory serves)? Of course not. = On Mar 15, 2008, at 11:14 AM, jbv wrote: Richmond, sorry to be so abrasive, but IMHO none of these titles makes any sense... The 1st one has been already discussed. As for the 2nd one, what exactly is a functioning Program ? put 1 + 1 into a is a functionning program, as well as echo hello world; and both can be built in a large number of languages in less than a minute... Furthermore, I don't think this topic has anything to do with semantics, but rather with the ergonomics of coding... Therefore, I'd prefer Learn how to produce a functionning piece of software that will boost your (or your client's )productivity and that isn't already available as freeware, shareware or commercial app in 1 day... Or, as suggested in earlier posts, much better : Learn how to code as you think in 1 day Kill your fear of programming in 1 day Best, JB Semantics time: There is a huge difference between Learn Programming in 1 Day and Learn How to Produce Functioning Programs in 1 Day. The first title, which ever way you cut it, is fairly nonsensical; HOWEVER, the second makes perfect sense with regard to Runtime Revolution. sincerely, Richmond Mathewson. A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development Life Cycle. ___ Rise to the challenge for Sport Relief with Yahoo! For Good http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Learn Programming in 1 Day
sorry to be so abrasive, but IMHO none of these titles makes any sense... I found it very disappointing that the book Make Love the Bruce Campbell Way didn't improve my sex life ;-) http://www.amazon.com/Make-Love-Bruce-Campbell-Way/dp/0312312601 Sorry, couldn't resist :-) Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Proactive International, LLC - Because it is about who you know.(tm) http://www.proactive-intl.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Learn Programming in 1 Day
actually we understand it too well : like a headline or advertising, it deals with the positionning of a product among the community of experienced users and newbies as well... And like an ad that misses its target, it might keep newbies away (because they'll realize it's still about programming) and will confort experienced programmers in their view of Rev as a cheap toy for beginners (just like plug play kept legions of ppl away from the Mac for years). It probably worked for you coz you're already convinced of the advantages of using Rev... JB Enough. This is advertising, guys. Like a headline, it is meant to catch your eye and get you to read on. There's nothing sinister (or insulting) at all about it. And, in fact, it did exactly what it was designed to do, at least in my case. Do you guys get this hot and bothered about books that tell you you will learn to program in C in 24 hours (Sam's guides, if memory serves)? Of course not. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Learn Programming in 1 Day
Just a jolly good hoot in my opinion! Dave On 15 Mar 2008, at 15:54, Richmond Mathewson wrote: Semantics time: There is a huge difference between Learn Programming in 1 Day and Learn How to Produce Functioning Programs in 1 Day. The first title, which ever way you cut it, is fairly nonsensical; HOWEVER, the second makes perfect sense with regard to Runtime Revolution. sincerely, Richmond Mathewson. A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development Life Cycle. ___ Rise to the challenge for Sport Relief with Yahoo! For Good http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Learn Programming in 1 Day
jbv wrote: sorry to be so abrasive Ha, Ha; nothing wrong with a bit of abrasion; I have scars to prove it! Love You All! What really scares me are the folks who cannot cope with a bit of abrasion. I do like your Kill your fear of programming in 1 day Maybe the 'P' word should jump up on the shelf with such other heros such as the 'F' word - however that would be a wee bit too politically correct for the likes of me, and Real Programming is 'F-word' hard work :) Now both you and I, and a fair few folk forbye can take somebody else's work and tweak it about; that, however, is not programming, that is only tweaking. I, also, spent some time in the University of Abertay's grey, depressing walls being taught Visual Basic, and I well remember a young lassie of some 25 summers who could not even wrap her tongue round English vocables (being fluent - or mayhap 'effluent'- in gutter Dundonian Scots) asking me why her program did not work even though she had copied what the lecturer had telt us; and the answer was a simple as this:- You cannot teach programming by showing wains models and having them tweak them. Forbye, she did not understand what a FOR . . . NEXT LOOP was because the lecturer had provided a model with said loop in place and blethered something about repeating itself until it was finished. Now I teach programming to Primary Children; starting with ye olde fashioned flow-charts on ye olde fashioned black board and buttons and cups to demonstrate how A = A + 1 is possible. However, just like musicians; there are real pianists (that is why my older son practices 4-8 hours a day!) and Sunday-Afternoon-in-the-front-parlour pianists. Similarly with people who make computer programmers; however a Sunday-Afternoon-in-the-front-parlour pianist will never, never be a Vladimir Ashkenazy or a Daniel Barenboim. And anybody who tells wee Jimmy he can be a great piano player by doing half-an-hour a day and no Solfeggio, Theory or Harmony should be hit over the head with a brick! Now who is being abrasive? But, face it, the world is becoming mediocre, and Sunday-Afternoon-in-the-front-parlour pianists are being praised to the skies because they can belt out The Flower of Scotland without an ounce of feeling! I only wish I had the money and the time to attend the Learn Programming in 1 Day course, where, without trying in any way to be funny, I am quite sure I would learn a lot. And, further to that I would like to say that I think it is an awful pity that people seem to have taken my initial e-mail that initiated this series as an attack on the course as such, when it was merely meant as a 'poke' at the daft title it was given. I have nothing but admiration for Jacque and her colleagues, and their efforts. sincerely, Richmond Mathewson A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development Life Cycle. ___ Rise to the challenge for Sport Relief with Yahoo! For Good http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
[Increasing OT; thank Goodness] Learn Programming in 1 Day
Dave wrote: Just a jolly good hoot in my opinion! Of course! But some people take things way too seriously . . . Love, Richmond Mathewson. PS. I was born in 1962, and in 1963-4 my parents used to leave me with the farmer's wife next door while they went out for the evening; I watched the Beatles with Meanie McLean and my first words were not predictable Mama, Mama, but Yeah, Yeah, Yeah . . . and, dear people, I having been saying Yeah, Yeah, Yeah ever since! A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development Life Cycle. ___ Rise to the challenge for Sport Relief with Yahoo! For Good http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Learn Programming in 1 Day
Touchy! Stop it! It's just a wind up! Come on if someone sends me an email that says Learn Programming in 1 Day then look out cos I will make fun of it! No malice intended! Take Care and Thanks for all you Help! All the Best Dave On 14 Mar 2008, at 15:37, J. Landman Gay wrote: Dave wrote: Maybe be the RunRev programming team were of the same course! Would explain a lot! Hey, go easy on us, okay? :) I'm teaching that thing, along with some very talented others. The course will be a whirlwind intro to Rev including some basic programming concepts, intended for those who have little to no experience. I didn't write the marketing blitz, but I do think that when we're done, the students will have enough information to continue on their own and increase their skills. And by the end of the day they will have proceded from zero knowledge to a working, internet-connected standalone stack. That's sort of programming, don't you think? Sort of? -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev message box
-= JB =- wrote: I am using Valentina 3.5.1 and Revolution 2.9.0-dp-5 and everything seems to be working but when I open the msg box it already has the below statement ready to execute; put Valentina_GetCurrentFormatVersion() Why is this being put in the Rev message box? I can start Rev up and have no stacks open at all and if I open the message box that statement will be there. Anyone know why it does this and can I stop it? I have already asked the Valentina list and they seem to think it is a Rev issue. Probably is. This happens when the message box is saved to disk without being cleared first. Then when you open the app, the old contents of the message field are still visible. To fix it, empty the message box and save it. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Learn Programming in 1 Day
JB, And like an ad that misses its target, it might keep newbies away (because they'll realize it's still about programming) The mailer's performing nicely, actually. Question: If you're not interested in programming, how would you end up on our mailing list, and why would you purchase Revolution? I mean, we're a very easy-to-use product, but I don't think you can get away without coding. and will confort experienced programmers in their view of Rev as a cheap toy for beginners (just like plug play kept legions of ppl away from the Mac for years). Product positioning is as much about who will NOT use a product as who will. People buying Hummers don't put the environment at the top of their list, people who buy fur coats aren't PETA members, and so on. While Rev certainly has a strong case against the alternatives, trying to be all things to all people is a sure way to fail. We'll probably never drop easy to learn, easy to use from the list of Revolution core benefits. It's what differentiates us from the other guys and makes it worth learning a non-standard language. Similarly, this is not an event for people just off the street. You have to be interested in programming or you're not going to take time off work, travel, and spend money on a conference like this. Fortunately, Rev has adopted an empricially-oriented marketing approach based on analysis of sales and marketing campaigns, plus surveys like the one we did last summer. Learn programming scores very high on the list of reasons why people came to the Rev web site in the first place. Also high on the list is the desire to quickly develop in-house tools/utilities, database front-ends, and other work projects. The members of this segment are casual programmers for whom coding is not a primary job responsibility. They are enterpreneurs, consultants, managers, teachers, scientists, and creative people. Nevertheless they recognize the value of being able to streamline business processes, integrate disparate business systems, create multimedia software etc. They are curious about technology, and aspire to have greater control over their computers. We know exactly what percentage of our users fall into these groups, as well as how many are professional programmers developing commercial applications. Because of this empirical focus, we've been able to tune in much more effectively to our customer segments' needs. Over the past year, we've acquired newcomers to Rev (across the entire skill spectrum) at a markedly faster clip than in the past. That's evidence we are hitting the target better than ever. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Learn Programming in 1 Day
jbv wrote: ...will confort experienced programmers in their view of Rev as a cheap toy for beginners Dude, having a priced-like-a-disposable-toy $49 version does far more for that than a single line in one press release. Besides, as I've mentioned before, when it comes to evangelizing Rev as a second language, a single line in one press release is nothing compared to the nature of Rev itself: One could argue that whatever more professional wording you might prefer would be even more misleading, because ultimately no matter how you seduce an experienced programmer to using Rev, the language and object model will always and only be very different from anything they've learned before. I don't think this is necessarily a bad thing, but if you really think this one line from a single press release is going to have more impact on adoption among professional developers than the product experience itself, I would encourage you to reconsider your premise. That press release has already left the station, and there are much, much bigger fish to fry -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal ___ Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Something I did not learn in a day
I really ought to keep my big mouth shut (no, surely not?) as my quick joke about programming successfully buried something that is the fruit of an awful lot of thought: My TEXTIFIER stack which is available on revOnline and is the culmination of about 2 years of thinking, false-starts and so forth. So Please give it a try. sincerely, Richmond Mathewson A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development Life Cycle. ___ Rise to the challenge for Sport Relief with Yahoo! For Good http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: why XHTML cannot be parsed with RevXML ?
On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:54:05 +0100, David Bovill wrote: Paolo - from memory the issue is not that you cannot parse valid XHTML with Revs XML externals, rather that Revs native htmltext is not valid XML and therefore cannot be parsed using Revs XML externals! Strange but true. However from memory the problem is caused by html entities not being escaped in htmltext and breaking the XML parsing. You can get around this by replacing the htmltext enitities with XML compliant ones. You should not have any problems with valid XHTML though. Right, that's my understanding as well... the main issue for XML parsers is that a lot of HTML is not compliant - for example using a single P instead of P/P. This leaves an open tag without a closing tag. Now if it is *valid* XHTML, you *should* be able to parse the tags with XML parsing tools (Rev's included). Can you provide an example of compliant XHTML syntax that doesn't parse? Just curious... Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Learn Programming in 1 Day
Richmond wrote: Semantics time: There is a huge difference between Learn Programming in 1 Day and Learn How to Produce Functioning Programs in 1 Day. The first title, which ever way you cut it, is fairly nonsensical; Richmond, I'm curious: what is the specific number of days you would consider a minimum for applying the phrase learn programming? Eight? 23? Hundreds? Thousands? 4067? Hundreds of thousands? And please define programming. Thanks - -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal ___ Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Learn Programming in 1 Day
Richmond wrote: I do like your Kill your fear of programming in 1 day Me too. I think it's perhaps the best so far. Heather, taking note? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Learn Guitar in 1 Day
Umm . . . jbv . . . a little bit TOO b*tchy I think. This piece of carpet has been chewed so much that it has lost its savour a long time ago. So, jbv, you go back to your Ramones songs and I'll go back to trying to become a computer programmer after 33 years :) sincerely, Richmond Mathewson A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development Life Cycle. ___ Rise to the challenge for Sport Relief with Yahoo! For Good http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev message box
J. Landman Gay wrote: This happens when the message box is saved to disk without being cleared first. Then when you open the app, the old contents of the message field are still visible. Under what circumstances would Rev save its Message Box while it's running? Should such a circumstance be reported as a bug? -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal ___ Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Learn Guitar in 1 Day
Man, with three chords I could play everything by Disturbed, Bad Religion, Kate Walsh, and every Rap tune ever written. SWEET! ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Learn Guitar in 1 Day
Bill Marriott a *crit : The members of this segment are casual programmers for whom coding is not a primary job responsibility. They are enterpreneurs, consultants, managers, teachers, scientists, and creative people. Nevertheless they recognize the value of being able to streamline business processes, integrate disparate business systems, create multimedia software etc. They are curious about technology, and aspire to have greater control over their computers. We know exactly what percentage of our users fall into these groups, as well as how many are professional programmers developing commercial applications. nasty mode on OK then, I guess you guys know exactly what you're doing by promoting Rev to casual programmers as a quick easy way to build databases front-ends... Tomorrow I'll attend a conference named Learn guitar in 1 day and I'll be happy to end up knowing 3 chords, enough to play a few Ramones songs with closed friends at the local ballroom once in a while... nasty mode off Have a nice week-end, JB ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Learn Programming in 1 Day
Richard Gaskin wrote: what is the specific number of days you would consider a minimum for applying the phrase learn programming? Eight? 23? Hundreds? Thousands? 4067? Hundreds of thousands? And please define programming. OUCH ! Part 1: I suppose learning programming (as I understand the term) is rather like learning a human language; an ongoing, never ending process involving a constant process of refinement. Part 2: Programming; Well we could try comparing the 6 year-olds I have worked with just now for 6 weeks who can manage I have a father, but when you say to them Has your friend got a father they look at you as if you are daft because they don't understand 'has'; with your good self, who, presumably, judging by the standard of your e-mails are highly proficient in English :) How about this definition: When your abilities with a particular programming language / IDE is as good as Richard Gaskin's English you can call yourself a programmer. sincerely, Richmond Mathewson A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development Life Cycle. ___ Rise to the challenge for Sport Relief with Yahoo! For Good http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev message box
Richard Gaskin wrote: J. Landman Gay wrote: This happens when the message box is saved to disk without being cleared first. Then when you open the app, the old contents of the message field are still visible. Under what circumstances would Rev save its Message Box while it's running? Should such a circumstance be reported as a bug? It wouldn't, and never has to my knowledge. Old messages have only appeared once before in a shipping version, where the message box was accidentally saved and shipped with some of the team's development commands still in it. That was fixed immediately. Since there are no other reports of this in our collective message boxes, it probably means that the user manually saved the message box at some point, with his queries still in it. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Learn Programming in 1 Day
I'm all for: Learn Programming in 1 Day As a captivating headline, I'd say it's doing it's job just fine. Witness the results. Good job Bill! Years ago I attended an incredible PR and marketing seminar. And for a rather hefty fee, they shared some secrets of creating compelling headlines..one's which are proven to work. One of them was called 'The Bold Claim,' and I'd say Heather, Bill and RunRev have done just that. Certainly, from one perspective or another, you can argue for or against...but I GUARANTEE you a headline like: 'Full day of Rev training for beginners' wouldn't have garnered near this amount of discussion. And in the business of PR and Marketing, as we all know, creating a buzz is a good thing. I mean the whole Thinnest laptop in the world by Apple, while not true, sure get's folks talking! Bravo! ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Learn Programming in 1 Day
On Mar 15, 2008, at 4:24 PM, Chipp Walters wrote: snip Thinnest laptop in the world by Apple, while not true, sure get's folks talking! Bravo! NOT TRUE? The average thickness of the AIR is less than 1/2. Is there a thinner one? On the other stuff about Buzz words, I agree whole heartedly. So long as it is not a bold face lie; but, rather, an obvious exaggeration. I really can't countenance lies for any purpose. Even great advertising. In this case, everyone knows it is just hype, tongue in cheek hyperbole. RIGHT? Joe Wilkins ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Learn Programming in 1 Day
On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 5:39 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: NOT TRUE? The average thickness of the AIR is less than 1/2. Is there a thinner one? There's that wordsmithing again. Average thickness? Check out the Vaio X505 which is thinner than Air at a maximum thickness of 0.8. I suppose one could glue on super thin wings on each side of the Vaio to get it's 'average thickness' down a bit. Funny, when I go to buy a pair of pants, I don't 'average' all of the dimensions around my body to arrive at a waist size (which frankly, is too large!). But, hat's off to Apple for the hyperbole. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Learn Programming in 1 Day
Frankly, Chip, the phrase average thickness was mine; not Apples. I just didn't want to list the max and min; and I believe the max thickness of AIr is less than 0.8 @ 0.76 Min. @ 0.16. You made me look it up. Joe Wilkins On Mar 15, 2008, at 4:51 PM, Chipp Walters wrote: On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 5:39 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: NOT TRUE? The average thickness of the AIR is less than 1/2. Is there a thinner one? There's that wordsmithing again. Average thickness? Check out the Vaio X505 which is thinner than Air at a maximum thickness of 0.8. I suppose one could glue on super thin wings on each side of the Vaio to get it's 'average thickness' down a bit. Funny, when I go to buy a pair of pants, I don't 'average' all of the dimensions around my body to arrive at a waist size (which frankly, is too large!). But, hat's off to Apple for the hyperbole. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Learn Programming in 1 Day
On Mar 15, 2008, at 7:51 PM, Chipp Walters wrote: But, hat's off to Apple for the hyperbole. Well, of course they have hyperbole, having got rid of hypercard. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Learn Guitar in 1 Day
That's more skill than some of the recording artists I've worked with as a producer Tomorrow I'll attend a conference named Learn guitar in 1 day and I'll be happy to end up knowing 3 chords, enough to play a few Ramones songs with closed friends at the local ballroom once in a while... nasty mode off Have a nice week-end, JB -- stephen barncard s a n f r a n c i s c o - - - - - - - - - - - - ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: A chunking mystery
On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 11:20 PM, Phil Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi David, I don't know if this is the total answer to your problem, but you're mixing repeat forms. Using the repeat for each form, you would normally examine the contents of the line variable you named in the repeat. But your code always check line 1 of the 'parent' container instead. Try this: repeat for each line thisLine in tSource if item 2 of thisLine 0 then put tThisLine cr after tCleanSource end if end repeat delete last char of tCleanSource -- the trailing CR Or if you want to use the repeat with form, try this: repeat with x = the number of lines in tSource down to 1 if item 2 of line x of tSource = 0 then delete line x of tSource end if end repeat In the 2nd example, it's safest to go from end to beginning of the data since you're deleting lines by their line number. Going from start to end will cause the loop to skip a line whenever one is deleted. Also, the first example will be faster. The larger your file, the more you'll see the difference in speed. Take care - Phil Davis Hello folks, This is the first time I've had available to revisit this, but certainly want to again thank you all for the suggestions. Looks like Phil and Scott both came up with almost identical solutions, so I'm gonna start working right there. As a side note, I guess I'll need to spend some more time in the doc's doing a bit of trial and error to better understand how the loops work in Rev. Going from start to end will cause the loop to skip a line whenever one is deleted. Now there's a real AhHa! moment... Thanks a bunch! David ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: A chunking mystery
On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 2:01 AM, Jim Ault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David Coker wrote: repeat for each line thisLine in tSource if item 2 of line 1 of tSource = 0 then delete line 1 of tSource end if end repeat I am not sure exactly what you are trying to but your repeat is not going to work the way you have it structured. First, if you want to use repeat for this, follow Phil's suggestions. Secondly, there may be an easier way to do the task I think you want. Assuming the itemDel is a tab then filter tSource without (* tab 0 tab *) or commas filter tSource without (*,0,*) --of course, this will delete lines with any 0 in item 2 through the second to last. This may or may not be a problem for your data set. Both methods are virtually instant, so don't worry about speed. Hope this helps Jim Ault Las Vegas Thanks Jim for the heads up about how to use the filter command! That's some territory I haven't ever been in and will now always consider it for similar purposes. One of the best lessons I'm learning with this is that there are just so MANY different ways to do cool stuff in Rev, it's almost mind boggling! Much appreciated sir, David ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Learn Programming in 1 Day
Whatever. and it's Chipp, with 2 p's. And here's one thinner. So there. Big deal. http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/may2007/tc20070523_272039.htm On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 6:12 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frankly, Chip, the phrase average thickness was mine; not Apples. I just didn't want to list the max and min; and I believe the max thickness of AIr is less than 0.8 @ 0.76 Min. @ 0.16. You made me look it up. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Learn Programming in 1 Day
On Mar 15, 2008, at 10:20 PM, Chipp Walters wrote: Whatever. and it's Chipp, with 2 p's. He was trying to make you thinner too. And here's one thinner. So there. Big deal. http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/may2007/tc20070523_272039.htm Did that machine ever ship? By the time it shipped, was it called a MacBook Air? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Multiple Stacks Active at Same Time
Joe, Thanks for checking back on this. I actually read it as same - didn't really notice the save. I haven't worked much with the lock screen command much - I'm definitely not a veteran with Rev. I'm not exactly sure where I should insert the lock screen / unlock screen commands. I did try at least putting it in the substack script. I had put in the following code: on preOpenStack lock screen pass preOpenStack end preOpenStack on OpenStack unlock screen pass OpenStack end OpenStack I did this hoping to lock the screen before the substack opened up. The mainstack became inactive when the substack opened. I need to do some more checking on this. Steve Steve, i In rereading my post I see that my eyes let me down once again. When I said save technique, I meant same technique; I just don't want you looking/trying some save thingie! You probably figured that out, but just in case. Good luck, Joe Wilkins ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Lowering high CPU rates?
Since folks here on the list have been so awesome in helping me around the few trouble spots with my project, I'm just about to the point where I can start adding in the final error checking routines and working towards a beta stage... I thought I'd first touch base with you good folks to see if there is a work around for the final troubling aspect of this project. We have some pretty hefty hardware on our office machines so I haven't noticed many problems with the data I've thrown at this program while testing on those, but when working on my development machine (an older laptop with very modest specs), the CPU is running at 100% for what seems to be long periods of time. Unfortunately, during those times it's almost impossible to do any other work. Speed is a relative issue with what I'm doing with this program and not exactly the most important factor *and* there are certain portions of the processing where I do not want to sacrifice the visibility of the work being done. (Most of that aspect is done in the final stage of processing and doesn't seem to be too much of a problem.) Thanks to the advice I've already received, most of the heavy lifting is being done behind the scene in variables rather than in text fields, the screen is being locked during times that seem appropriate and I've spread around a few wait 1 with messages to help keep the program responsive to user input. Furthermore, I only see a real problem when working with data exceeding 10-15,000 records on a given run. With that said... Assuming it is possible under the circumstances, how might I go about cutting back the sometimes extended periods of time where there is a full load on the CPU, allowing them to continue working on other tasks? Any advice at all is greatly appreciated. David ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Learn Programming in 1 Day
That computer doesn't even exist. It is a planned prototype. and since the article is from last year it never was produced. .76 down to .16 And unlike other computer prototypes, including some from Intel, this one actually may line the shelves of a retailer before long. Intel hasn't announced an official release date but people familiar with the matter say a PC maker will announce plans to start manufacturing the machine later this year. On Mar 15, 2008, at 10:20 PM, Chipp Walters wrote: Whatever. and it's Chipp, with 2 p's. And here's one thinner. So there. Big deal. http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/may2007/tc20070523_272039.htm On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 6:12 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frankly, Chip, the phrase average thickness was mine; not Apples. I just didn't want to list the max and min; and I believe the max thickness of AIr is less than 0.8 @ 0.76 Min. @ 0.16. You made me look it up. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Multiple Stacks Active at Same Time
Hi Steven, I don't think there are any fixed rules about something like this. You may also want to take a look at the lock and unlock message commands when something is occurring that you don't want happening. All of this kind of stuff is pretty much trial and error. Good luck, Joe On Mar 15, 2008, at 9:17 PM, Steven Axtell wrote: Joe, Thanks for checking back on this. I actually read it as same - didn't really notice the save. I haven't worked much with the lock screen command much - I'm definitely not a veteran with Rev. I'm not exactly sure where I should insert the lock screen / unlock screen commands. I did try at least putting it in the substack script. I had put in the following code: on preOpenStack lock screen pass preOpenStack end preOpenStack on OpenStack unlock screen pass OpenStack end OpenStack I did this hoping to lock the screen before the substack opened up. The mainstack became inactive when the substack opened. I need to do some more checking on this. Steve Steve, i In rereading my post I see that my eyes let me down once again. When I said save technique, I meant same technique; I just don't want you looking/trying some save thingie! You probably figured that out, but just in case. Good luck, Joe Wilkins ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Learn Programming in 1 Day
I didn't remember Apple's bold claim to be Thinnest laptop which shipped. I was in Japan a couple of months ago, and they had a couple of laptops thinner than the Mac Air. And a quick Google on Apple's thinnest laptop claim finds this on page one: http://www.macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/apples_new_macbook_air_not_the_thinnest_notebook_ever/ Listen guys, my point, obviously not well made, was that making a bold claim works in getting people interested in one's product. On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 12:07 AM, Thomas McGrath III [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That computer doesn't even exist. It is a planned prototype. and since the article is from last year it never was produced. .76 down to .16 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Learn Programming in 1 Day
On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 9:59 PM, Colin Holgate [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 15, 2008, at 10:20 PM, Chipp Walters wrote: Whatever. and it's Chipp, with 2 p's. He was trying to make you thinner too. Ha! good one. I only wish it was that easy! Did that machine ever ship? By the time it shipped, was it called a MacBook Air? Good point... ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Multiple Stacks Active at Same Time
Steven Axtell wrote: I did try at least putting it in the substack script. I had put in the following code: on preOpenStack lock screen pass preOpenStack end preOpenStack on OpenStack unlock screen pass OpenStack end OpenStack I did this hoping to lock the screen before the substack opened up. The mainstack became inactive when the substack opened. I need to do some more checking on this. Won't work, I'm afraid. The lock screen command is really more like lock window. It doesn't affect the display when you are changing windows, it only works if you are changing the content inside a single window. If I remember right, you want two windows to be active at once. That isn't really possible on any OS -- the same behavior you are seeing happens in any app that has multiple documents open. However, you can force a window to the front with a script if you want, using the toplevel command or the go command. So after your user clicks a button in one stack, you can go to the other and it will be on top. If what you are trying to do is create a palette, then the solution is easy; just open your control stack as a palette: palette myStack Palettes always float on top and you won't see window titlebars flashing back and forth. Palettes require some attention to which stack is the defaultstack though, so be careful if your palette buttons use this stack in their scripts. This stack may not always be the one you think it is. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
setting http headers to mimic IE6/Win
I barely know enough to be dangerous with this one: Does anyone know offhand what the http headers for IE6/Win look like? I want to request (and download) a url from a server that will only talk to IE on Windows. I want to put the page directly into a field without using revBrowser. Maybe the right question to ask is, Is there a proxy server or something else I can use to see my outgoing http headers from IE (e.g. revBrowser/Win)? Then I can figure out what to do. (If I could automate the selecting of all text in revBrowser, that would be an adequate alternative to what I'm asking here). I understand I'll need to use libUrlSetCustomHttpHeaders to replace Rev's native headers. I just don't know what to set the headers to. Thanks! -- Phil Davis PDS Labs Professional Software Development http://pdslabs.net ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Lowering high CPU rates?
Hi David, You could try lock messages and or lock/unlock commands. possibly set some allow- to false. I know maybe too general but it's early into the morning here. Bed time. David David Flanders On Mar 16, 2008, at 12:35 AM, David Coker wrote: Since folks here on the list have been so awesome in helping me around the few trouble spots with my project, I'm just about to the point where I can start adding in the final error checking routines and working towards a beta stage... I thought I'd first touch base with you good folks to see if there is a work around for the final troubling aspect of this project. We have some pretty hefty hardware on our office machines so I haven't noticed many problems with the data I've thrown at this program while testing on those, but when working on my development machine (an older laptop with very modest specs), the CPU is running at 100% for what seems to be long periods of time. Unfortunately, during those times it's almost impossible to do any other work. Speed is a relative issue with what I'm doing with this program and not exactly the most important factor *and* there are certain portions of the processing where I do not want to sacrifice the visibility of the work being done. (Most of that aspect is done in the final stage of processing and doesn't seem to be too much of a problem.) Thanks to the advice I've already received, most of the heavy lifting is being done behind the scene in variables rather than in text fields, the screen is being locked during times that seem appropriate and I've spread around a few wait 1 with messages to help keep the program responsive to user input. Furthermore, I only see a real problem when working with data exceeding 10-15,000 records on a given run. With that said... Assuming it is possible under the circumstances, how might I go about cutting back the sometimes extended periods of time where there is a full load on the CPU, allowing them to continue working on other tasks? Any advice at all is greatly appreciated. David ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
