Default audio device does NOT record audio when it is a firewire device

[frans schoffelen]

System MAC OS 10.5.2  / Powermac G5 Quad, Mac Pro Intel Quad / Rev 2.9  
last build


We are developing a small audio utility for the music Industry with  
simple recording functionality. A great deal of our customers use  
firewire audio interfaces.


Expected behaviour : When we select "dflt" as our input then the  
documentation states the input chosen in the system preferences will  
be used. It is not.
Recording does work in the standard Quicktime player so there are no  
obvious technical problems. REV creates a file according to the  
settings but no audio is present in that file.


We have read the entries on "enhancement" for recording video and  
audio in the bug database but do NOT consider this bug an enhancement  
request since "dflt" SHOULD under all circumstances record from the  
input set in the system preferences as stated in the documentation.   
We have tested this with M-Audio Project Mix , Apogee and ECHO  
Audiofire.
USB recording from a simple webcam does work so devices other than the  
original internal and external inputs are being recognized, just not  
the firewire ones.

None of the searches in our forum database has yielded a recent answer.

We can not proceed with the product as is under Revolution.

Hopefully there is a solution or work-around for this or we are  
missing something.

Maybe somebody on the list knows. Any help appreciated.

Regards
Frans Schoffelen
Tim Oldfield
Sarah Terberg

Knowlegistics
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Re: Default audio device does NOT record audio when it is a firewire device

[Mark Schonewille]

Hoi Frans,

Just enter it as a new bug. Revolution originates from a time without  
FireWire and just doesn't check for devices attached to a built-in  
FireWire port. This should be easy to fix (but I might be wrong).


In the mean time, you can refrain from the default input and show a  
little wizard, which helps the user to choose the correct input.


Groeten,

Mark Schonewille

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On 23 apr 2008, at 09:26, frans schoffelen wrote:

System MAC OS 10.5.2  / Powermac G5 Quad, Mac Pro Intel Quad / Rev  
2.9 last build


We are developing a small audio utility for the music Industry with  
simple recording functionality. A great deal of our customers use  
firewire audio interfaces.


Expected behaviour : When we select "dflt" as our input then the  
documentation states the input chosen in the system preferences will  
be used. It is not.
Recording does work in the standard Quicktime player so there are no  
obvious technical problems. REV creates a file according to the  
settings but no audio is present in that file.


We have read the entries on "enhancement" for recording video and  
audio in the bug database but do NOT consider this bug an  
enhancement request since "dflt" SHOULD under all circumstances  
record from the input set in the system preferences as stated in the  
documentation.  We have tested this with M-Audio Project Mix ,  
Apogee and ECHO Audiofire.
USB recording from a simple webcam does work so devices other than  
the original internal and external inputs are being recognized, just  
not the firewire ones.
None of the searches in our forum database has yielded a recent  
answer.


We can not proceed with the product as is under Revolution.

Hopefully there is a solution or work-around for this or we are  
missing something.

Maybe somebody on the list knows. Any help appreciated.

Regards
Frans Schoffelen
Tim Oldfield
Sarah Terberg


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Rev on a Linux/Windows based HP 2133 Mini-Note? (was Smallest PC that can run Revolution?)

[Luis]

Hiya,

Insofar as I know the Nokia Tablets have a TI processor: It's an ARM  
core with a DSP as a second core.

There's no Rev for ARM.

I've been keeping an eye on this HP 2133 Mini-Note, looks to be  
released soon (heard between April and June):


http://h40059.www4.hp.com/hp2133/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HP_2133_Mini-Note_PC

http://www.laptopmag.com/review/laptops/hp-2133-mini-note.aspx

http://www.supergps.co.uk/hp-compaq-2133-mininote-pc-vista-basic- 
os-2gb-ram-120gb-hdd-p-3374.html?gad=CMDIu8kDEgg-s_Nh2Zr1URiY3OT- 
AyCY9p4z&


http://www.supergps.co.uk/hp-compaq-2133-mininote-pc-linux-os-1gb- 
ram-120gb-hdd-p-3278.html?gad=CMDIu8kDEgg-s_Nh2Zr1URiY3OT-AyCY9p4z&



Vid here: http://www.rm.com/LEA/Products/Product.asp?cref=PD1164671


The Via C7 CPU is x86 compatible (I don't know whether this will be  
replaced with the more advanced Intel Atom which just came out at the  
beginning of April).


The RAM is upgradeable and 1 Gbit ethernet. Integrated stereo mic?!
The display won me over (1024x768) as well as the processor plus the  
choice of either SATA SSD and SATA HD (I'd use the SSD for travel,  
backup to HD).


I've heard Asus may be shipping a new version of the EEEPC with a  
higher definition display with touch-screen plus more RAM. Will wait  
and see...


Cheers,

Luis.


On 22 Apr 2008, at 13:19, David Bovill wrote:


Thanks a lot for that Ben>

NB - what about the new Linux based Nokia Tablets... it seems like  
quite a
few Linux apps are being ported without too much trouble - seems GTK 
+ /

Gnome based... not sure what Rev 2.9 requires...

 * http://arstechnica.com/reviews/hardware/nokia-n810-review.ars/4
 * http://maemo.org/intro/


2008/4/22 Ben Rubinstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


On 16/4/08 14:30, David Bovill wrote:


What is the smallest PC that anyone has managed to get a Revolution
application running on - any operating system? Is there a hand held?
Something without a built in screen? The Eee PC is one of the  
smallest I

can
find so far and certainly cheap - and the only one I know of that  
people

have actually got Rev running on? I guess none of the Windows Mobile
operating systems are an option?



We've installed a Rev-built app on a bunch of very small custom built
units that were running Windows Embedded, on a fanless VIA Mini-ITX
motherboard , with a 256MB  solid-state  
disk.
 (These were installed in vehicles, so it was important to have no  
moving
parts and low power requirements.) Had no problems except that we  
had to

fiddle with the OS image a few times before we got the combination of
components we needed.

We also evaluated Puppy Linux on the same hardware (we ended up  
with 75

units, so the potential saving on Windows Embedded licenses was
considerable); it all worked fine except that we needed better  
multimedia
support than Rev made available on Linux at that time.  With 2.9 I  
suspect

we could have gone that route.

- Ben

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still having a problem with path or filename from 2.8 to 2.9

[Tiemo Hollmann TB]

Hello,

First thank you Sarah for your comment.

Actually my problem is setting the filename to image, which worked with 2.8,
but doesn't works anymore on 2.9 on Mac in an existing program without
having changed anything. On Mac the image is still empty after setting the
filename. My first thought was, that setting the path to the file was going
wrong, but as it appears, that is working ok. The next relevant statement is
setting the filename to the image, where I have used

set the filename of img "img1" to tPic

could here has something changed in 2.9? I have seen in the docs that it
actually should be coded with "image" instead of "img". Could this be the
problem in 2.9?

I have put a small test stack in my revonline space (Tiemo) for any body who
could do a little test for me on a Mac ( I still don't have a Mac to test)
Any comments are highly appreciated!

Perhaps the problem even doesn't occur, when you will test it on Mac In the
IDE. Perhaps only when compiled on windows and run under Mac? I really don't
know, where my problem is located.

Thank you

Tiemo

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how to zip a Mac app on windows?

[Tiemo Hollmann TB]

Hi there,

sorry, up to now I am not a proud owner of a Mac and have almost no Mac
system knowledge ( I will buy a Mac for testing soon, promised). Up to now,
I have to burn a test CD, send it to a Mac friend and get the feedback the
next day. When trying  to zip the complete Mac.app folder structure of a
standalone, sending my friend by mail, the program doesn't work on a Mac (it
starts for a moment, but closes immediately), though it is exactly the same
folder structure, I have burned on CD (MyApp.app/Contents/MacOS/Externals).
Where is the difference between a CD and a zip? My only idea is, that the
folder structure gets corrupted, when unzipping it on Mac.

What do I have to do to send a Mac User a Mac App from my Windows system?

Thanks for any hints

Tiemo

 

 

 

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AW: AW: AW: AW: did "the filename" changed from 2.8 to 2.9?

[Tiemo Hollmann TB]

Thanks William, yes I am aware of that
Tiemo

> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:use-revolution-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von william humphrey
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 22. April 2008 22:42
> An: How to use Revolution
> Betreff: Re: AW: AW: AW: did "the filename" changed from 2.8 to 2.9?
> 
> Don't use the default folder as code can "set the default folder" to
> something else sometimes without you realizing.  I have been using
> 
> " the effective filename of this stack" (works well)  as I didn't know
> about
> "the directory".
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Re: still having a problem with path or filename from 2.8 to 2.9

[Mark Schonewille]

Tiemo,

I had a look at your stack, pressed the Select Picture button, but  
didn't choose any picture because this is too cumbersome a way to do  
such a task.


Why don't you simply use the answer file command?

Looking at your script, I noticed that you don't set the default  
folder and you don't check whether the file actually exists.


The following script works perfectly fine for me on my Mac:

on mouseUp
  answer file "" with type "PNG|png|PNGf" or type "GIF|gif|GIFf" or  
type "JPEG|jpg|JPEG"

  if it is not empty then set the filename of img 1 to it
  put it
end mouseUp

Above script still works fine in a standalone.

Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

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On 23 apr 2008, at 12:12, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:


Hello,

First thank you Sarah for your comment.

Actually my problem is setting the filename to image, which worked  
with 2.8,

but doesn't works anymore on 2.9 on Mac in an existing program without
having changed anything. On Mac the image is still empty after  
setting the
filename. My first thought was, that setting the path to the file  
was going
wrong, but as it appears, that is working ok. The next relevant  
statement is

setting the filename to the image, where I have used

set the filename of img "img1" to tPic

could here has something changed in 2.9? I have seen in the docs  
that it
actually should be coded with "image" instead of "img". Could this  
be the

problem in 2.9?

I have put a small test stack in my revonline space (Tiemo) for any  
body who
could do a little test for me on a Mac ( I still don't have a Mac to  
test)

Any comments are highly appreciated!

Perhaps the problem even doesn't occur, when you will test it on Mac  
In the
IDE. Perhaps only when compiled on windows and run under Mac? I  
really don't

know, where my problem is located.

Thank you

Tiemo



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Re: still having a problem with path or filename from 2.8 to 2.9

[Eric Chatonet]

Bonjour Thiemo,

I had a quick look at your stack:

on mouseUp pMouseBtnNo
global myPic
ask "name of image file? (with suffix)" with myPic
put it into myPic
put the defaultfolder into tPathDef

answer "image in defaultfolder or in subfolder pics?" with  
"pics" or "defaultfolder"

if it is "pics" then
put tPathDef & "/pics/" & myPic into tPic
else
put tPathDef & "/" & myPic into tPic
end if

answer "set the filename of img or image" with "img" or "image"
lock screen
if it is "image" then
set the filename of image "img1" to tPic
set the height of image "img1" to 200
set the width of image "img1" to 200
else
set the filename of img "img1" to tPic
set the height of img "img1" to 200
set the width of img "img1" to 200
end if
unlock screen
end mouseUp

This works using 2.9 on Mac but you don't ensure the process:
. What happens if the user says OK in the ask dialog but letting it  
empty?

. Is the current defaultFolder the expected one?
. Does the file exists?
etc.

In addition, from an ergonomic point of view, I would say it's not  
perfect ;-)

In short why don't you use something like:

answer file "Choose an image:" with type "JPEG|jpg|JPEG" or type "PNG| 
png|PNGf"

if it  = empty then return "Cancel"
set the filename of img "img1" to it
set the height of img "img1" to 200
set the width of img "img1" to 200

Le 23 avr. 08 à 12:12, Tiemo Hollmann TB a écrit :


Hello,

First thank you Sarah for your comment.

Actually my problem is setting the filename to image, which worked  
with 2.8,

but doesn't works anymore on 2.9 on Mac in an existing program without
having changed anything. On Mac the image is still empty after  
setting the
filename. My first thought was, that setting the path to the file  
was going
wrong, but as it appears, that is working ok. The next relevant  
statement is

setting the filename to the image, where I have used

set the filename of img "img1" to tPic

could here has something changed in 2.9? I have seen in the docs  
that it
actually should be coded with "image" instead of "img". Could this  
be the

problem in 2.9?

I have put a small test stack in my revonline space (Tiemo) for any  
body who
could do a little test for me on a Mac ( I still don't have a Mac  
to test)

Any comments are highly appreciated!

Perhaps the problem even doesn't occur, when you will test it on  
Mac In the
IDE. Perhaps only when compiled on windows and run under Mac? I  
really don't

know, where my problem is located.

Thank you

Tiemo


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Re: Rev on a Linux/Windows based HP 2133 Mini-Note? (was Smallest PC that can run Revolution?)

[Luis]

Looks like the new EEEPC 900 is due out 1st of May. Found a review here:

http://reviews.cnet.co.uk/laptops/0,39030092,49296523-1,00.htm

Cheers,

Luis.


On 23 Apr 2008, at 11:11, Luis wrote:


Hiya,

Insofar as I know the Nokia Tablets have a TI processor: It's an  
ARM core with a DSP as a second core.

There's no Rev for ARM.

I've been keeping an eye on this HP 2133 Mini-Note, looks to be  
released soon (heard between April and June):


http://h40059.www4.hp.com/hp2133/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HP_2133_Mini-Note_PC

http://www.laptopmag.com/review/laptops/hp-2133-mini-note.aspx

http://www.supergps.co.uk/hp-compaq-2133-mininote-pc-vista-basic- 
os-2gb-ram-120gb-hdd-p-3374.html?gad=CMDIu8kDEgg-s_Nh2Zr1URiY3OT- 
AyCY9p4z&


http://www.supergps.co.uk/hp-compaq-2133-mininote-pc-linux-os-1gb- 
ram-120gb-hdd-p-3278.html?gad=CMDIu8kDEgg-s_Nh2Zr1URiY3OT-AyCY9p4z&



Vid here: http://www.rm.com/LEA/Products/Product.asp?cref=PD1164671


The Via C7 CPU is x86 compatible (I don't know whether this will be  
replaced with the more advanced Intel Atom which just came out at  
the beginning of April).


The RAM is upgradeable and 1 Gbit ethernet. Integrated stereo mic?!
The display won me over (1024x768) as well as the processor plus  
the choice of either SATA SSD and SATA HD (I'd use the SSD for  
travel, backup to HD).


I've heard Asus may be shipping a new version of the EEEPC with a  
higher definition display with touch-screen plus more RAM. Will  
wait and see...


Cheers,

Luis.


On 22 Apr 2008, at 13:19, David Bovill wrote:


Thanks a lot for that Ben>

NB - what about the new Linux based Nokia Tablets... it seems like  
quite a
few Linux apps are being ported without too much trouble - seems  
GTK+ /

Gnome based... not sure what Rev 2.9 requires...

 * http://arstechnica.com/reviews/hardware/nokia-n810-review.ars/4
 * http://maemo.org/intro/


2008/4/22 Ben Rubinstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


On 16/4/08 14:30, David Bovill wrote:


What is the smallest PC that anyone has managed to get a Revolution
application running on - any operating system? Is there a hand  
held?
Something without a built in screen? The Eee PC is one of the  
smallest I

can
find so far and certainly cheap - and the only one I know of  
that people
have actually got Rev running on? I guess none of the Windows  
Mobile

operating systems are an option?



We've installed a Rev-built app on a bunch of very small custom  
built

units that were running Windows Embedded, on a fanless VIA Mini-ITX
motherboard , with a 256MB  solid-state  
disk.
 (These were installed in vehicles, so it was important to have  
no moving
parts and low power requirements.) Had no problems except that we  
had to
fiddle with the OS image a few times before we got the  
combination of

components we needed.

We also evaluated Puppy Linux on the same hardware (we ended up  
with 75

units, so the potential saving on Windows Embedded licenses was
considerable); it all worked fine except that we needed better  
multimedia
support than Rev made available on Linux at that time.  With 2.9  
I suspect

we could have gone that route.

- Ben

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[OT] Microsoft Remote Desktop Connection Client for Mac

[Richmond Mathewson]

Microsoft Remote Desktop Connection Client for Mac 2
is available as a FREE Beta that will not expire at
the following URL:

http://www.microsoft.com/mac/downloads.mspx

This allows the Mac user to access the Windows Client
AND run Windows Programs from the Mac.

Just came across it and thought it might be useful.

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson



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Re: Default audio device does NOT record audio when it is a firewire device

[frans schoffelen]

On 23.04.2008, at 12:12, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Mark Schonewille wrote on the Use-Rev list :

Hey Mark,
bedankt voor je snelle antwoord.


Just enter it as a new bug. Revolution originates from a time without
FireWire and just doesn't check for devices attached to a built-in
FireWire port. This should be easy to fix (but I might be wrong).


I was going to do that. Then decided first to make sure there's no one  
out there
who had already dealt with it in another way. I will enter it if  
nothing comes up

soon.



In the mean time, you can refrain from the default input and show a
little wizard, which helps the user to choose the correct input.


Alas that won't help. Since most Firewire interfaces are "good stuff"  
and
all microphones, gear would be attached to that interface ( usually 24  
bit

and with GREAT microphone pre-amps) we can't expect people in studios
and music gear shops to start switching stuff around just for our  
program.

especially not since the internal mic and external input just are not
that good quality...

So here's a request to Kevin and Marc : You know I've been dealing with
Rev and Audio in the CBT field for a long time now : Wouldn't it be  
possible

to add the firewire interfaces to "The possible soundSources" ?
USB already is.
In dire straits we would even consider an external...

regards
groetjes uit Berlijn

Frans


Frans Schoffelen
Tim Oldfield
Sarah Terberg
http://knowlegistics.com / home of iCal alarmist


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[OT] applestore...

[viktoras didziulis]

sorry, OT'ing again, a silly situation, I seem to be unable to order 
things via the apple store... Is there something wrong or maybe it is 
"just me". I am trying to purchase a serial key for iWork '08 package - 
my trial period expired and now I can't live without the Keynote. 
Registered with the apple store. Selected the downloadable software, 
then checked iWork'08, clicked checkout. Everything went "smoothly", but 
the order wasn't processed. It does not appear neither in Order status 
nor in saved carts sections of my account either. No confirmation email 
was sent... They even did not ask my VISA or Paypal information. Any 
ideas where and how can I order that serial key ? It is twice as 
expensive in our local shops, so I would prefer to order that key online 
from store.apple.com ;-)


Many thanks in advance for sharing your experience :-)
Viktoras
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how to zip a Mac app on windows?

[Richmond Mathewson]

May be you shouldn't !

How about STUFFIT ?

http://my.smithmicro.com/mac/stuffit.html

this is available for both Mac and Windows.

If you only want to transfer a few files there is a
30-day fully functional trial period.

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson.



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Re: Rev on a Linux/Windows based HP 2133 Mini-Note? (was Smallest PC that can run Revolution?)

[Luis]

Found two more competitors:

ECS: http://www.pocket-lint.co.uk/news/news.phtml/12839/13863/ecs- 
hsdpa-broadband-laptop-notebook.phtml

Has HSDPA built in...

MSI Wind: http://crave.cnet.co.uk/laptops/0,39029450,49295955,00.htm

If you're looking for a target platform in the EEEPC mold then I'd  
suggest the Asus EEEPC, due to the current userbase.


Cheers,

Luis.


On 23 Apr 2008, at 11:44, Luis wrote:

Looks like the new EEEPC 900 is due out 1st of May. Found a review  
here:


http://reviews.cnet.co.uk/laptops/0,39030092,49296523-1,00.htm

Cheers,

Luis.


On 23 Apr 2008, at 11:11, Luis wrote:


Hiya,

Insofar as I know the Nokia Tablets have a TI processor: It's an  
ARM core with a DSP as a second core.

There's no Rev for ARM.

I've been keeping an eye on this HP 2133 Mini-Note, looks to be  
released soon (heard between April and June):


http://h40059.www4.hp.com/hp2133/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HP_2133_Mini-Note_PC

http://www.laptopmag.com/review/laptops/hp-2133-mini-note.aspx

http://www.supergps.co.uk/hp-compaq-2133-mininote-pc-vista-basic- 
os-2gb-ram-120gb-hdd-p-3374.html?gad=CMDIu8kDEgg-s_Nh2Zr1URiY3OT- 
AyCY9p4z&


http://www.supergps.co.uk/hp-compaq-2133-mininote-pc-linux-os-1gb- 
ram-120gb-hdd-p-3278.html?gad=CMDIu8kDEgg-s_Nh2Zr1URiY3OT-AyCY9p4z&



Vid here: http://www.rm.com/LEA/Products/Product.asp?cref=PD1164671


The Via C7 CPU is x86 compatible (I don't know whether this will  
be replaced with the more advanced Intel Atom which just came out  
at the beginning of April).


The RAM is upgradeable and 1 Gbit ethernet. Integrated stereo mic?!
The display won me over (1024x768) as well as the processor plus  
the choice of either SATA SSD and SATA HD (I'd use the SSD for  
travel, backup to HD).


I've heard Asus may be shipping a new version of the EEEPC with a  
higher definition display with touch-screen plus more RAM. Will  
wait and see...


Cheers,

Luis.


On 22 Apr 2008, at 13:19, David Bovill wrote:


Thanks a lot for that Ben>

NB - what about the new Linux based Nokia Tablets... it seems  
like quite a
few Linux apps are being ported without too much trouble - seems  
GTK+ /

Gnome based... not sure what Rev 2.9 requires...

 * http://arstechnica.com/reviews/hardware/nokia-n810-review.ars/4
 * http://maemo.org/intro/


2008/4/22 Ben Rubinstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


On 16/4/08 14:30, David Bovill wrote:

What is the smallest PC that anyone has managed to get a  
Revolution
application running on - any operating system? Is there a hand  
held?
Something without a built in screen? The Eee PC is one of the  
smallest I

can
find so far and certainly cheap - and the only one I know of  
that people
have actually got Rev running on? I guess none of the Windows  
Mobile

operating systems are an option?



We've installed a Rev-built app on a bunch of very small custom  
built

units that were running Windows Embedded, on a fanless VIA Mini-ITX
motherboard , with a 256MB  solid-state  
disk.
 (These were installed in vehicles, so it was important to have  
no moving
parts and low power requirements.) Had no problems except that  
we had to
fiddle with the OS image a few times before we got the  
combination of

components we needed.

We also evaluated Puppy Linux on the same hardware (we ended up  
with 75

units, so the potential saving on Windows Embedded licenses was
considerable); it all worked fine except that we needed better  
multimedia
support than Rev made available on Linux at that time.  With 2.9  
I suspect

we could have gone that route.

- Ben

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AW: still having a problem with path or filename from 2.8 to 2.9

[Tiemo Hollmann TB]

Hi Mark and Eric,
thank you for your quick response.
Sorry, I should have explained, that this example stack is just a quick and
dirty test stack, because the real stack has too much other stuff included,
so I just wanted to reduce to the two or three relevant statements (setting
the path and setting the filename). In the real stack there isn't any ask to
the user, all files are included in my app and the path is hard wired...
Thanks
Tiemo


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> [EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Eric Chatonet
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 23. April 2008 12:40
> An: How to use Revolution
> Betreff: Re: still having a problem with path or filename from 2.8 to 2.9
> 
> Bonjour Thiemo,
> 
> I had a quick look at your stack:
> 
> on mouseUp pMouseBtnNo
>  global myPic
>  ask "name of image file? (with suffix)" with myPic
>  put it into myPic
>  put the defaultfolder into tPathDef
> 
>  answer "image in defaultfolder or in subfolder pics?" with
> "pics" or "defaultfolder"
>  if it is "pics" then
>  put tPathDef & "/pics/" & myPic into tPic
>  else
>  put tPathDef & "/" & myPic into tPic
>  end if
> 
>  answer "set the filename of img or image" with "img" or "image"
>  lock screen
>  if it is "image" then
>  set the filename of image "img1" to tPic
>  set the height of image "img1" to 200
>  set the width of image "img1" to 200
>  else
>  set the filename of img "img1" to tPic
>  set the height of img "img1" to 200
>  set the width of img "img1" to 200
>  end if
>  unlock screen
> end mouseUp
> 
> This works using 2.9 on Mac but you don't ensure the process:
> . What happens if the user says OK in the ask dialog but letting it
> empty?
> . Is the current defaultFolder the expected one?
> . Does the file exists?
> etc.
> 
> In addition, from an ergonomic point of view, I would say it's not
> perfect ;-)
> In short why don't you use something like:
> 
> answer file "Choose an image:" with type "JPEG|jpg|JPEG" or type "PNG|
> png|PNGf"
> if it  = empty then return "Cancel"
> set the filename of img "img1" to it
> set the height of img "img1" to 200
> set the width of img "img1" to 200
> 
> Le 23 avr. 08 à 12:12, Tiemo Hollmann TB a écrit :
> 
> > Hello,
> >
> > First thank you Sarah for your comment.
> >
> > Actually my problem is setting the filename to image, which worked
> > with 2.8,
> > but doesn't works anymore on 2.9 on Mac in an existing program without
> > having changed anything. On Mac the image is still empty after
> > setting the
> > filename. My first thought was, that setting the path to the file
> > was going
> > wrong, but as it appears, that is working ok. The next relevant
> > statement is
> > setting the filename to the image, where I have used
> >
> > set the filename of img "img1" to tPic
> >
> > could here has something changed in 2.9? I have seen in the docs
> > that it
> > actually should be coded with "image" instead of "img". Could this
> > be the
> > problem in 2.9?
> >
> > I have put a small test stack in my revonline space (Tiemo) for any
> > body who
> > could do a little test for me on a Mac ( I still don't have a Mac
> > to test)
> > Any comments are highly appreciated!
> >
> > Perhaps the problem even doesn't occur, when you will test it on
> > Mac In the
> > IDE. Perhaps only when compiled on windows and run under Mac? I
> > really don't
> > know, where my problem is located.
> >
> > Thank you
> >
> > Tiemo
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Re: Default audio device does NOT record audio when it is a firewire device

[Mark Schonewille]

Hallo Frans,

Graag gedaan ;-)

With Wizard, I don't mean a tool to switch the hardware, just a simple  
window to choose the correct user input in Revolution, unless your  
problem is that you are completely unable to set the sound input to  
the Firewire source. Are you completely unable to use Revolution to  
record from your Firewire device?


Mark and Kevin don't necessarily read this list, but if you enter a  
new bug in the QCC, one of them probably will read that.


Best regards,

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On 23 apr 2008, at 13:00, frans schoffelen wrote:



On 23.04.2008, at 12:12, [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
wrote:


Mark Schonewille wrote on the Use-Rev list :

Hey Mark,
bedankt voor je snelle antwoord.


Just enter it as a new bug. Revolution originates from a time without
FireWire and just doesn't check for devices attached to a built-in
FireWire port. This should be easy to fix (but I might be wrong).


I was going to do that. Then decided first to make sure there's no  
one out there
who had already dealt with it in another way. I will enter it if  
nothing comes up

soon.



In the mean time, you can refrain from the default input and show a
little wizard, which helps the user to choose the correct input.


Alas that won't help. Since most Firewire interfaces are "good  
stuff" and
all microphones, gear would be attached to that interface ( usually  
24 bit

and with GREAT microphone pre-amps) we can't expect people in studios
and music gear shops to start switching stuff around just for our  
program.

especially not since the internal mic and external input just are not
that good quality...

So here's a request to Kevin and Marc : You know I've been dealing  
with
Rev and Audio in the CBT field for a long time now : Wouldn't it be  
possible

to add the firewire interfaces to "The possible soundSources" ?
USB already is.
In dire straits we would even consider an external...

regards
groetjes uit Berlijn

Frans


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Re: [OT] applestore...

[Colin Holgate]

Try looking in your account page, in the Downloadable software  
purchases page. That's where licenses are stored, maybe your new  
license is there.



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AW: how to zip a Mac app on windows?

[Tiemo Hollmann TB]

Hi Richmond,
is his true, that you can't exchange zip files between Win and Mac, only
stuffit, or is it just a shot in the dark?
Thanks
Tiemo

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> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 23. April 2008 13:29
> An: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com
> Betreff: how to zip a Mac app on windows?
> 
> May be you shouldn't !
> 
> How about STUFFIT ?
> 
> http://my.smithmicro.com/mac/stuffit.html
> 
> this is available for both Mac and Windows.
> 
> If you only want to transfer a few files there is a
> 30-day fully functional trial period.
> 
> sincerely, Richmond Mathewson.
> 
> 
> 
> A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development Life
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Re: AW: how to zip a Mac app on windows?

[Luis]

You can, I do it often, but due to the odd nature of the problem it  
may be a quicker solution to attempt a different compression system.
Other than that, does the app really need compressing? If not, just  
burn it and drag it into the Mac.


Cheers,

Luis.


On 23 Apr 2008, at 12:57, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:


Hi Richmond,
is his true, that you can't exchange zip files between Win and Mac,  
only

stuffit, or is it just a shot in the dark?
Thanks
Tiemo


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Gesendet: Mittwoch, 23. April 2008 13:29
An: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com
Betreff: how to zip a Mac app on windows?

May be you shouldn't !

How about STUFFIT ?

http://my.smithmicro.com/mac/stuffit.html

this is available for both Mac and Windows.

If you only want to transfer a few files there is a
30-day fully functional trial period.

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AW: AW: how to zip a Mac app on windows?

[Tiemo Hollmann TB]

Hi Luis,
I can't drag it into the Mac, because I don't have a Mac. I want to send it
by mail to a friend.
Thank you
Tiemo

> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
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> [EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Luis
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 23. April 2008 14:05
> An: How to use Revolution
> Betreff: Re: AW: how to zip a Mac app on windows?
> 
> You can, I do it often, but due to the odd nature of the problem it
> may be a quicker solution to attempt a different compression system.
> Other than that, does the app really need compressing? If not, just
> burn it and drag it into the Mac.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Luis.
> 
> 
> On 23 Apr 2008, at 12:57, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:
> 
> > Hi Richmond,
> > is his true, that you can't exchange zip files between Win and Mac,
> > only
> > stuffit, or is it just a shot in the dark?
> > Thanks
> > Tiemo
> >
> >> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> >> Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:use-revolution-
> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Richmond Mathewson
> >> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 23. April 2008 13:29
> >> An: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com
> >> Betreff: how to zip a Mac app on windows?
> >>
> >> May be you shouldn't !
> >>
> >> How about STUFFIT ?
> >>
> >> http://my.smithmicro.com/mac/stuffit.html
> >>
> >> this is available for both Mac and Windows.
> >>
> >> If you only want to transfer a few files there is a
> >> 30-day fully functional trial period.
> >>
> >> sincerely, Richmond Mathewson.
> >>
> >> 
> >>
> >> A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development Life
> >> Cycle.
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> >>
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Re: AW: AW: how to zip a Mac app on windows?

[Luis]

:) That's what I meant. If it doesn't need compressing, just burn  
the .app, send it off, and he can drag it from the CD to his Mac.


Cheers,

Luis.


On 23 Apr 2008, at 13:10, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:


Hi Luis,
I can't drag it into the Mac, because I don't have a Mac. I want to  
send it

by mail to a friend.
Thank you
Tiemo


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An: How to use Revolution
Betreff: Re: AW: how to zip a Mac app on windows?

You can, I do it often, but due to the odd nature of the problem it
may be a quicker solution to attempt a different compression system.
Other than that, does the app really need compressing? If not, just
burn it and drag it into the Mac.

Cheers,

Luis.


On 23 Apr 2008, at 12:57, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:


Hi Richmond,
is his true, that you can't exchange zip files between Win and Mac,
only
stuffit, or is it just a shot in the dark?
Thanks
Tiemo


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Betreff: how to zip a Mac app on windows?

May be you shouldn't !

How about STUFFIT ?

http://my.smithmicro.com/mac/stuffit.html

this is available for both Mac and Windows.

If you only want to transfer a few files there is a
30-day fully functional trial period.

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson.



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AW: AW: AW: how to zip a Mac app on windows?

[Tiemo Hollmann TB]

;) ok I see. Nero (what I am using) only has its propriety image format,
which probably can't be read by a Mac. Which program do you use on win for
burning an image which can be read by a Mac?
Thanks
Tiemo

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> 
> :) That's what I meant. If it doesn't need compressing, just burn
> the .app, send it off, and he can drag it from the CD to his Mac.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Luis.
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AW: how to zip a Mac app on windows?

[Richmond Mathewson]

Um!

Shouldn't and Can't are different modal verbs.

My experience of exchanging complex files (such as Mac
App packages) between Win and Mac is unhappy.

ZIP certainly works for simple files (e.g. rtf
documents).

Many years ago ( 2003 ! ) I had to do this sort of
transfer and, at the time, found that Stuffit worked.

So my suggestion should be taken as only a suggestion.

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[OT] Disk Image Format ?

[Richmond Mathewson]

Macs can read ISO disk images.

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AW: how to zip a Mac app on windows?

[Tiemo Hollmann TB]

Thanks for sharing Richmond
Tiemo

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> Betreff: AW: how to zip a Mac app on windows?
> 
> Um!
> 
> Shouldn't and Can't are different modal verbs.
> 
> My experience of exchanging complex files (such as Mac
> App packages) between Win and Mac is unhappy.
> 
> ZIP certainly works for simple files (e.g. rtf
> documents).
> 
> Many years ago ( 2003 ! ) I had to do this sort of
> transfer and, at the time, found that Stuffit worked.
> 
> So my suggestion should be taken as only a suggestion.
> 
> sincerely, Richmond Mathewson.
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Rev on a Linux/Windows based HP 2133 Mini-Note? (was Smallest PC that can run Revolution?)

[David Bovill]

Thanks for all the links Luis - I'm wandering what size these things are
going to settle down to - feels like the iPhone to Nokia 8110 is in the
dailly carry around range and then there are "cheap laptops" EEPC or even
similarly priced Dell Laptops.

At the moment I am looking for something under £300 that you can run around
with- so the Hsdpa support sounds good for the future.
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Re: AW: how to zip a Mac app on windows?

[Luis]

As long as it's ISO 9660 then there shouldn't be a problem, and Nero  
should have that capability.
If you're constantly exchanging files in this way, why not opt for a  
USB memory stick? They average about £10 for a 1GB here in the UK.  
Make sure it's FAT32 formatted to make it simple to read and write  
from both ends.
If the file isn't that large then maybe having online storage like:  
http://www.humyo.com/pages/en/online-storage-plans-and-pricing (free  
for 30GB, check on password protecting the folders!) would be both  
cheaper and quicker.


Cheers,

Luis.


On 23 Apr 2008, at 13:32, Richmond Mathewson wrote:


Um!

Shouldn't and Can't are different modal verbs.

My experience of exchanging complex files (such as Mac
App packages) between Win and Mac is unhappy.

ZIP certainly works for simple files (e.g. rtf
documents).

Many years ago ( 2003 ! ) I had to do this sort of
transfer and, at the time, found that Stuffit worked.

So my suggestion should be taken as only a suggestion.

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Re: Rev on a Linux/Windows based HP 2133 Mini-Note? (was Smallest PC that can run Revolution?)

[Luis]

I'm hanging around to see what the general feedback is for the HP and  
weigh it against the newcomers with the new Intel Atom CPU.

It looks well built, and the EEEPC is quite solid too.

The HSDPA will drain the battery some, so you've got to take that  
into account. However efficient these things are I'd opt to not have  
to worry about disabling it when not in use (well, maybe when we get  
Psion or Z88 battery life out of these things!) and use a 3G USB  
stick. Vodafone has Linux drivers for their version of it, I doubt  
there isn't a port out for the EEEPC already.


Cheers,

Luis.


On 23 Apr 2008, at 13:49, David Bovill wrote:

Thanks for all the links Luis - I'm wandering what size these  
things are
going to settle down to - feels like the iPhone to Nokia 8110 is in  
the
dailly carry around range and then there are "cheap laptops" EEPC  
or even

similarly priced Dell Laptops.

At the moment I am looking for something under £300 that you can  
run around

with- so the Hsdpa support sounds good for the future.
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Finally installed GLX2...

[Ian Wood]

From my Xmas Bundle.

Why did I wait so long?!?

After half an hour of twiddling the highlights so far have to be  
folders based on out-of-handler comments which have really helped me  
organise a 60+ handler Library stack, and Command-G to search for the  
currently selected text.


Excellent work, Daniels and Mara!

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Re: Rev on a Linux based Nokia N810? (was Smallest PC that can run Revolution?)

[Chipp Walters]

On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 7:19 AM, David Bovill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Thanks a lot for that Ben>
>
> NB - what about the new Linux based Nokia Tablets... it seems like quite a
> few Linux apps are being ported without too much trouble - seems GTK+ /
> Gnome based... not sure what Rev 2.9 requires...

Wrong processor. I believe that's an TI OMAP2420 processor and Rev doesn't
have an engine build for it.
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OT Boot Camp implementation

[Joe Lewis Wilkins]

Hi,

Has anyone on this list successfully implemented Boot Camp and Windows  
XP Professional on a MacPro? While installing from the Window's CD, I  
got a Disk Error that made completing the installation impossible.  
Please contact me off list if you have any ideas.


TIA,

Joe Wilkins
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Re: OT Boot Camp implementation

[Joe Lewis Wilkins]

Sorry, Guys,

I should have checked out the Apple site first. There appears to be a  
discussion of this item there.


Thanks,

Joe Wilkins

On Apr 23, 2008, at 8:14 AM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:


Hi,

Has anyone on this list successfully implemented Boot Camp and  
Windows XP Professional on a MacPro? While installing from the  
Window's CD, I got a Disk Error that made completing the  
installation impossible. Please contact me off list if you have any  
ideas.


TIA,

Joe Wilkins
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AW: AW: how to zip a Mac app on windows?

[Tiemo Hollmann TB]

Thanks Luis!

> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:use-revolution-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Luis
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 23. April 2008 16:13
> An: How to use Revolution
> Betreff: Re: AW: how to zip a Mac app on windows?
> 
> As long as it's ISO 9660 then there shouldn't be a problem, and Nero
> should have that capability.
> If you're constantly exchanging files in this way, why not opt for a
> USB memory stick? They average about £10 for a 1GB here in the UK.
> Make sure it's FAT32 formatted to make it simple to read and write
> from both ends.
> If the file isn't that large then maybe having online storage like:
> http://www.humyo.com/pages/en/online-storage-plans-and-pricing (free
> for 30GB, check on password protecting the folders!) would be both
> cheaper and quicker.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Luis.

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[OT] Rescue Kit for Mac®OS X Lite

[Richmond Mathewson]

It is FREE:

http://www.paragon-software.com/home/rk-mac/

and I really wish I had had it about a month back when
my system got hosed by a dud version of a system
optimisation program.

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is lock cursor of any use whatsoever?

[Björnke von Gierke]

Hi

I am trying to draw shapes (in images, not graphics) without user  
interaction. although it's slow I am able to draw what I want.  
Unfortunately the cursor always flashes when I change the tool, which  
Ido not want (no user interaction and such). lock cursor doesn't help  
in any way.


I also tried to set the cursor to empty beforehand, and then made a  
mousemove handler with just "unlock cursor" in it. because if there's  
no tool, then there is no flashing. Unfortunately "click at x,y" does  
evoke a mouseMove, so I can't even do that.


So assuming a script similar as below, is there any way for  
prohibiting a cursor change? Is there any way to use choose and click  
without constant cursor flickering? Or maybe there's another way to  
draw (in my case mainly erase) wthin images at least somewhat quickly?


thanks
Bjoernke

Example code which flickers the cursor:

on mouseUp
  lock cursor
  choose brush tool
  set the brush to 5
  click at 20,20
  choose browse tool
  unlock cursor
end mouseUp

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is lock cursor of any use whatsoever?

[Richmond Mathewson]

Just read the Documents on CURSOR and it mentions

set the Cursor to none

NOW I don't know if this would actually disable the
functionality of the Cursor (Ding an Sich) or just
make it so the end-user could not see it.

when I made a stack with a button with the following
script:

on mouseUp
  set the cursor to none
end mouseUp

( 2.9 )

and clicked on the button - nothing happened: Oh Dear.

Sorry, not much help.

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Re: is lock cursor of any use whatsoever?

[J. Landman Gay]

Björnke von Gierke wrote:

Hi

I am trying to draw shapes (in images, not graphics) without user 
interaction. although it's slow I am able to draw what I want. 
Unfortunately the cursor always flashes when I change the tool, which 
Ido not want (no user interaction and such). lock cursor doesn't help in 
any way.


It might work if you use a custom cursor, which you set and lock.

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Re: Getting things the wrong way round . . .

[Kevin Miller]

On 19/4/08 19:02, "Petrides, M.D. Marian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> If we already have a Rev Enterprise license, will we order our
> renewals through Amazon or continue to renew through Run Rev?
> 
> If we can do either--and a the same cost, which is more beneficial to
> the folks at RunRev?  (See my comment about motivation behind
> continuing to do annual renewals even while use of Rev was/is dormant).

Apologies for the delay, I have been on holiday for a few days and just
spotted this thread just now.

The goal of Mirye is to broaden Revolution's reach and appeal, predominantly
by getting it in front of new resellers and partners. Obviously we're keen
that this operation is a success and generates results as quickly as
possible for everyone. The more that Mirye is able to build up its sales and
presence the more we will all benefit. But at the same time, given the goal
is primarily new customers and given that Runtime depends completely on our
loyal users keeping licenses current, I would have to say that users who
have been with us for years can benefit us the most by continuing to
purchase directly from us.

Kind regards,

Kevin

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Further Cursor experimentation

[Richmond Mathewson]

Setting the Cursor to NONE works if the cursor has
been set Explicitly to something else previously;

Just made a very silly stack with one button with the
following code:

on mouseUp
  set the cursor to arrow
  wait 40 ticks
  set the cursor to none
  wait 40 ticks
  set the lockScreen to true -- *1
  set the cursor to cross
  set the cursor to none
  set the lockScreen to false
  wait 40 ticks
  set the lockScreen to true
  set the cursor to cross
  set the cursor to none
  set the lockScreen to false
  wait 40 ticks
  set the lockScreen to true
  set the cursor to cross
  set the cursor to none
  set the lockScreen to false
  wait 100 ticks
  set the cursor to arrow -- *2
end mouseUp

between points *1 and *2 I saw no cursor!

Now, if, every time your coding tells the cursor to
change for a different paint tool you could do this:

set the lockScreen to true --just prior to paint toll
change

PAINT TOOL CHANGE

set the cursor to none
set the lockScreen to false

this wouldt mean that the end-user never sees the
cursor forms set by paint-toll selection.

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Further Cursor experimentation

[Richmond Mathewson]

The stack I referred to in the previous message is
downloadable at:

http://mail.maclaunch.com/richmond/cursors.rev.zip

it is NOT in legacy format.

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Further Cursor experimentation

[Richmond Mathewson]

Oh, bl**dy Humpf!

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/RRgraphix/files/cursors.rev.zip

if you feel "funny" about Yahoo Groups send me an
e-mail directly and I will send it as an attachment
(108 KB).

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Re: Reversing a list

[J. Landman Gay]

Sarah Reichelt wrote:

On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 10:14 AM, Sarah Reichelt
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

And the winner is...

 Jacque (with one modification).

 local tCount

 function reverseList pList
put the number of lines in pList into tCount
sort lines of pList by mySort()
return pList
 end reverseList

 function mySort
subtract 1 from tCount
return tCount
 end mySort


OK, this realised this working for me and I finally figured out what
was going on - the sort needs to be numeric!
So change the "sort" line to this:

 sort lines of pList numeric by mySort()


Oops. Good catch. :)

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Re: mouseUp 1 and 3 problems

[J. Landman Gay]

rand valentine wrote:

 Hi. I've got a field with text in it. There is an elaborate script for the
field which is sensitive to which mousebutton was clicked, doing one thing
if 1 was clicked, another if 3. I keep getting a problem -- after I right
click something, and the script executes, left-clicking produces no response
in the field -- right-clicking will produce a response, and then
left-clicking works again. So the problem is that I can't seem to
right-click, then left-click. Lots of other fields I have seem to work fine
doing this, so it must be something in the script?! What should I be looking
for, i.e., what could be causing this? Thanks


Are you clicking rapidly? The only thing I can think of is that the 
second click is within the doubleclick time and is registering as a 
double click. Does it work if you wait a second or so between clicks?


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Cursors versus Tools ?

[Richmond Mathewson]

I made a simple stack with a button and a field
"fKKK"; the button had this script:

on mouseEnter
  put the tool into fld "fKKK"
end mouseEnter

but I always end up with either "browse tool" or
"pointer tool", regardless which tool I select (such
as the SPRAY CAN tool) despite the following tools
being listed in the Documentation:

browse, pointer, button, field, scrollbar, graphic,
image, player, select, pencil, bucket, brush, eraser,
spray can, rectangle, line, round rect, oval, polygon,
curve, regular polygon, dropper

put the name of the cursor

gives me no joy at all

[HOWEVER; put the tool  works in the Message Box !]

When I select a paint tool the cursor changes to a
symbol (pencil, bucket, brush, eraser, spray can,
rectangle, line, round rect, oval, polygon, curve,
regular polygon, dropper) which is not amongst the
list of cursors.

So what are these (pencil, bucket, brush, eraser,
spray can, rectangle, line, round rect, oval, polygon,
curve, regular polygon, dropper) and how can I get my
stack to detect which one the end-user has chosen ?

The inevitable second button with the following
script:

on mouseEnter
  set the cursor to arrow
end mouseEnter

does nothing when I have chosen a paint tool.

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Re: RevBrowser, .swf animations, and pause

[Mark Talluto]

On Apr 21, 2008, at 5:51 PM, Colin Holgate wrote:



On Apr 21, 2008, at 8:34 PM, Mark Talluto wrote:

Anyone have any experience pausing .swf animations in Rev using  
RevBrowswer?  I need to implement basic playback features like  
scrubbing and pause/play that we take for granted with the QT  
player.  Any thoughts would be appreciated.



I think you would have to program that in the Flash movie. Is that  
an option for you?


Thanks Colin for your help.  I am not sure I follow completely.  What  
would I embed into the Flash movie that would allow me to pause?  A  
controller?  That being the case, then that may not work out as I need  
to play the video without a visible controller.  I would like to hit  
my space bar for example and pause/play the movie.  I did some  
searching on the net and found that there a some java commands that  
may be of help.  I will spend some more time on it in a few days and  
report back.



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Re: RevBrowser, .swf animations, and pause

[Mark Talluto]

On Apr 21, 2008, at 6:02 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:


Recently, Mark Talluto wrote:


Anyone have any experience pausing .swf animations in Rev using
RevBrowswer?  I need to implement basic playback features like
scrubbing and pause/play that we take for granted with the QT player.
Any thoughts would be appreciated.


I'm pretty sure you need to build these functions into your SWF -- the
browser itself doesn't have any option to control SWF playback, AFAIK.



Thanks Scott.  I am going to attempt the java script solution and see  
how that goes.  I am thinking of creating a webpage that will contain  
the java script to intercept keyUps and then have it send the proper  
flash commands to the flash player to control the video.  Not sure if  
any of this is going to work.  Just doing some thinking out loud.


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Re: is lock cursor of any use whatsoever?

[Bill Marriott]

Richmond,

>>>
when I made a stack with a button with the following
script:

on mouseUp
  set the cursor to none
end mouseUp

and clicked on the button - nothing happened: Oh Dear.
<<<

Of course not. The handler exits and the usual cursor is restored. Try:

on mouseUp
  set the cursor to none
  wait 5 seconds
  beep
end mouseUp

You'll see the cursor disappear for five seconds. 



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Re: Finally installed GLX2...

[Jerry Daniels]

Thank you, Ian! Much appreciated. Christmas in April! The bundle that  
keeps on giving.


Best,

Jerry Daniels

Daniels & Mara, Inc.
Makers of GLX2
http://www.daniels-mara.com/glx2 - main site
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On Apr 23, 2008, at 9:58 AM, Ian Wood wrote:


From my Xmas Bundle.

Why did I wait so long?!?

After half an hour of twiddling the highlights so far have to be  
folders based on out-of-handler comments which have really helped me  
organise a 60+ handler Library stack, and Command-G to search for  
the currently selected text.


Excellent work, Daniels and Mara!

Ian
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Re: User-Agent changing

[Dave Cragg]

On 23 Apr 2008, at 06:25, Richard Gaskin wrote:


Sarah Reichelt wrote:

I was working on communications with a RevOnRockets-based web server,
and I was checking the headers of the web request to see whether the
request was coming from a Revolution program, or a browser. I had
checked earlier and the headers included the line:
 User-Agent: Revolution (MacOS)
In the middle of a debugging session, this suddenly changed to:
 User-Agent: Metacard (MacOS)
How can this be?


Genetic memory.


Richard's right. :-)

libUrl sets the User-Agent header (unless you override it by setting  
the httpHeaders yourself). It sets it to Revolution (+ platform) if  
("rev" is in the short name of me). Otherwise it sets it to Metacard.  
This is something to do with libUrl's history. (It should probably be  
updated.)


The libUrl script is usually contained in a button named "revLibUrl"  
in the revLibrary stack. I'm not sure what happens during debugging to  
alter this behavior.


Cheers
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Re: User-Agent changing

[Sarah Reichelt]

> > > I was working on communications with a RevOnRockets-based web server,
> > > and I was checking the headers of the web request to see whether the
> > > request was coming from a Revolution program, or a browser. I had
> > > checked earlier and the headers included the line:
> > >  User-Agent: Revolution (MacOS)
> > > In the middle of a debugging session, this suddenly changed to:
> > >  User-Agent: Metacard (MacOS)
> > > How can this be?
> > >
> >
> > Genetic memory.
> >
>
>  Richard's right. :-)
>
>  libUrl sets the User-Agent header (unless you override it by setting the
> httpHeaders yourself). It sets it to Revolution (+ platform) if ("rev" is in
> the short name of me). Otherwise it sets it to Metacard. This is something
> to do with libUrl's history. (It should probably be updated.)
>
>  The libUrl script is usually contained in a button named "revLibUrl" in the
> revLibrary stack. I'm not sure what happens during debugging to alter this
> behavior.

Maybe "me" was the name of my stack at some stage, so it changed to
MetaCard. I might dig into the libURL script and fix this.
Thanks for the info Dave.

Cheers,
Sarah
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Re: Rev on a Linux based Nokia N810? (was Smallest PC that can run Revolution?)

[David Bovill]

2008/4/23 Chipp Walters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

>
> Wrong processor. I believe that's an TI OMAP2420 processor and Rev doesn't
> have an engine build for it.


Quite a few x86 C++ projects seem to compile without huge effort...
including VLC, TuxPaint, XChat and many more.

 * http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationCatalog/

I wander how much harder it would be to compile Rev or the Linux based CGI
engine? I'd love to develop for that platform - I wander how well maemo will
take off.
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Re: User-Agent changing

[Dave Cragg]

On 23 Apr 2008, at 23:43, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

Maybe "me" was the name of my stack at some stage, so it changed to
MetaCard. I might dig into the libURL script and fix this.


Or you could just set the httpHeaders to "User-Agent: Revolution ("  &  
the platform & ")".



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Reading commands from Apple's remote control

[Sarah Reichelt]

Hi All,

Since most Macs now ship with Apple's remote control, I thought it
would be neat to be able to accept input from the controller in a Rev
application. Pressing the menu button puts me into Front Row, but I
though I could use the others, however no luck so far. The plus &
minus buttons change the system volume, but as far as I can tell, the
others do nothing except in Front Row. I tried checking for rawKeyDown
in a Rev stack, but didn't get anything.

So, has anyone done this, or does anyone have any ideas? At this stage
I am assuming that I would need some third-party utility to translate
the remote control to keystrokes.

Cheers,
Sarah
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Re: Reading commands from Apple's remote control

[Scott Rossi]

Recently, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

> So, has anyone done this, or does anyone have any ideas? At this stage
> I am assuming that I would need some third-party utility to translate
> the remote control to keystrokes.

Last I checked, you do.  (Andre Garcia used to know of some kind of
link/utility that was around for a short while but it seems to have
disappeared.)

The one I settled on is this: http://filewell.com/iRedLite/

The UI is a little wonky and it takes a little messing around, but once you
figure it out, it's actually pretty cool controlling Rev behavior with the
remote.  I haven't played around with it in a while -- I may have assigned
keystrokes to the various button presses -- but if I remember correctly, the
one limitation it has is the menu button cannot be an event trigger.
Otherwise, it should work pretty well with Rev.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design


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Tab in tables and determine which cell

[Bill Vlahos]

I have a table that users can tab through. I'd like to be able to  
determine when a user tabs into a certain column and do some action.


I can determine it when the user clicks in a cell but how can I  
determine it when they tab into a cell?


Bill Vlahos
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Re: Reading commands from Apple's remote control

[Terry Judd]

Sarah - take a look at Twisted Melon's Mira. You can use it to control
pretty much any application, so there might be some way to hook it in with
Rev.

Terry...


On 24/4/08 11:13 AM, "Sarah Reichelt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi All,
> 
> Since most Macs now ship with Apple's remote control, I thought it
> would be neat to be able to accept input from the controller in a Rev
> application. Pressing the menu button puts me into Front Row, but I
> though I could use the others, however no luck so far. The plus &
> minus buttons change the system volume, but as far as I can tell, the
> others do nothing except in Front Row. I tried checking for rawKeyDown
> in a Rev stack, but didn't get anything.
> 
> So, has anyone done this, or does anyone have any ideas? At this stage
> I am assuming that I would need some third-party utility to translate
> the remote control to keystrokes.
> 
> Cheers,
> Sarah
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Re: Tab in tables and determine which cell

[-= JB =-]

If you can get the column when the user clicks on the cell
then how about putting the column info into a global and
use the keyword tabKey to determine you went to another
column.

global columnInfo --however you got the info when you clicked in the  
cell


on tabKey
  add 1 to columnInfo
end tabKey


-=>JB<=-




On Apr 23, 2008, at 6:41 PM, Bill Vlahos wrote:

I have a table that users can tab through. I'd like to be able to  
determine when a user tabs into a certain column and do some action.


I can determine it when the user clicks in a cell but how can I  
determine it when they tab into a cell?


Bill Vlahos
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Re: Tab in tables and determine which cell

[-= JB =-]

I haven't tried this but I think it will help you keep track
of the line and column info as you tab though a field.

global columnInfo
global theLine

on tabKey
  put number of items in line theLine into itemTest --assuming you  
have the line number

  if itemTest + 1 < itemTest then add 1 to columnInfo
else
  put 1 into columnInfo
  add 1 to theLine
  end if
end tabKey

-=>JB<=-



On Apr 23, 2008, at 7:47 PM, -= JB =- wrote:


If you can get the column when the user clicks on the cell
then how about putting the column info into a global and
use the keyword tabKey to determine you went to another
column.

global columnInfo --however you got the info when you clicked in  
the cell


on tabKey
  add 1 to columnInfo
end tabKey


-=>JB<=-




On Apr 23, 2008, at 6:41 PM, Bill Vlahos wrote:

I have a table that users can tab through. I'd like to be able to  
determine when a user tabs into a certain column and do some action.


I can determine it when the user clicks in a cell but how can I  
determine it when they tab into a cell?


Bill Vlahos
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Re: Tab in tables and determine which cell

[-= JB =-]

Here is a correction:

if columnInfo + 1 < itemTest then add 1 to columnInfo

-=>JB<=-




On Apr 23, 2008, at 8:10 PM, -= JB =- wrote:


I haven't tried this but I think it will help you keep track
of the line and column info as you tab though a field.

global columnInfo
global theLine

on tabKey
  put number of items in line theLine into itemTest --assuming you  
have the line number

  if itemTest + 1 < itemTest then add 1 to columnInfo
else
  put 1 into columnInfo
  add 1 to theLine
  end if
end tabKey

-=>JB<=-



On Apr 23, 2008, at 7:47 PM, -= JB =- wrote:


If you can get the column when the user clicks on the cell
then how about putting the column info into a global and
use the keyword tabKey to determine you went to another
column.

global columnInfo --however you got the info when you clicked in  
the cell


on tabKey
  add 1 to columnInfo
end tabKey


-=>JB<=-




On Apr 23, 2008, at 6:41 PM, Bill Vlahos wrote:

I have a table that users can tab through. I'd like to be able to  
determine when a user tabs into a certain column and do some action.


I can determine it when the user clicks in a cell but how can I  
determine it when they tab into a cell?


Bill Vlahos
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control-clicking objects

[Fred moyer]

I am working on a set of stacks where I have developed over the years  
various commands for control-clicking objects (Mac). They now don't  
work in 2.9. What happens instead is: the object is selected and I  
get the "Edit Script/Property Inspector/Cut"... etc. popup. Is there  
any way to avoid that happening? I need to stay within the  
Development environment because I am always tweaking the stacks.


Thanks for your help.

Fred Moyer
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Re: Tab in tables and determine which cell

[-= JB =-]

I am suffering from flu like symptons so my math is not so
good today.  I think you need another correction:

if columnInfo + 1 <=  itemTest then add 1 to columnInfo

-=>JB<=-



On Apr 23, 2008, at 8:48 PM, -= JB =- wrote:


Here is a correction:

if columnInfo + 1 < itemTest then add 1 to columnInfo

-=>JB<=-




On Apr 23, 2008, at 8:10 PM, -= JB =- wrote:


I haven't tried this but I think it will help you keep track
of the line and column info as you tab though a field.

global columnInfo
global theLine

on tabKey
  put number of items in line theLine into itemTest --assuming you  
have the line number

  if itemTest + 1 < itemTest then add 1 to columnInfo
else
  put 1 into columnInfo
  add 1 to theLine
  end if
end tabKey

-=>JB<=-



On Apr 23, 2008, at 7:47 PM, -= JB =- wrote:


If you can get the column when the user clicks on the cell
then how about putting the column info into a global and
use the keyword tabKey to determine you went to another
column.

global columnInfo --however you got the info when you clicked in  
the cell


on tabKey
  add 1 to columnInfo
end tabKey


-=>JB<=-




On Apr 23, 2008, at 6:41 PM, Bill Vlahos wrote:

I have a table that users can tab through. I'd like to be able  
to determine when a user tabs into a certain column and do some  
action.


I can determine it when the user clicks in a cell but how can I  
determine it when they tab into a cell?


Bill Vlahos
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shell command callback question

[Josh Mellicker]

When you execute a shell command in Terminal in OS X, (in appropriate  
cases) you get text back as the command executes. For example, when  
searching a hard drive, even though the entire process takes a while,  
at each moment it finds a matching file, it echoes it to the terminal,  
so you get a little feedback while you're waiting.


However, in Revolution, when I execute a shell command, nothing is  
returned until the entire command is finishing executing, at which  
point I get all the echoed text at once.


I am brand new at this and probably missing something obvious... how  
do you set up a callback so you get the echoed text in "real time"?

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Re: mouseUp 1 and 3 problems

[rand valentine]

> On 23 Apr 2008, at 01:50, rand valentine wrote:
> 
>> So the problem is that I can't seem to
>> right-click, then left-click. Lots of other fields I have seem to
>> work fine
>> doing this, so it must be something in the script?! What should I be
>> looking
>> for, i.e., what could be causing this? Thanks
> 
> I don't really know about a fix, but I got strange problems with mouse
> too, maybe you can add something to the bug I filed:
> 
> http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=6396

  I'm not sure I understand the specifics of your bug report, but it did
allow me to conceive of a workaround for my problem -- the problem is (as
you say, I think), that a right-click and an if-statement seem to cause
weird problems. So I changed my script from an if..end if to a switch...end
switch, and now it works fine.

rand


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mousebutton 1 and 3

[rand valentine]

> On 23 Apr 2008, at 01:50, rand valentine wrote:
> 
>> So the problem is that I can't seem to
>> right-click, then left-click. Lots of other fields I have seem to
>> work fine
>> doing this, so it must be something in the script?! What should I be
>> looking
>> for, i.e., what could be causing this? Thanks
> 
> I don't really know about a fix, but I got strange problems with mouse
> too, maybe you can add something to the bug I filed:
> 
> http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=6396

  I'm not sure I understand the specifics of your bug report, but it did
allow me to conceive of a workaround for my problem -- the problem is (as
you say, I think), that a right-click and an if-statement seem to cause
weird problems. So I changed my script from an if..end if to a switch...end
switch, and now it works fine.

---

  Moments later... no it doesn't... still get the same problem, which is...
after a script in a field executes on a right-click, (left)-click in the
field is then not registered until you first click in another field. Once
you do, things work fine till you right-click again.

rand


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