How to detect a CD Drive / write permissions?

[Tiemo Hollmann TB]

Hello,

didn't found the answer in the archives, though it seems to be very
standard.

1. How to test If I have write permissions on a dir?

Is the appropriate approach to try to write a file on the wanted dir and if
it fails I know I can't? Or is there a Rev function to ask?

2. How can I detect, if a volume is a HD or CD/DVD?

If I know that I don't have write permissions with the above test, I still
don't know, if it is a permission problem (what I could ask the user for) or
if I am on a CD/DVD (where I don't want to ask the user)? How can I
differentiate that, I didn't find a Rev function which tells me something
about the kind of drives?

Thanks for any hints and approaches

Tiemo

 

 

 

 

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Re: variable storage

[Björnke von Gierke]

On 5 Dec 2008, at 06:09, Richard Gaskin wrote:


Thomas McGrath wrote:

Mark, Yes except that the properties does not store ALL of the   
possible properties of an object. So it is not a perfect match to  
the  original object.


I believe "the properties" contains all modiable properties of an  
object, so that if you apply that to the template object along with  
"the script" and "the customProperties" you'll effectively recreate  
the object in all respects except for ID, which can be handled with  
the altID property if needed.



The properties contains the ID, but not the antialiased. Therefore,  
this is not true, in fact, there is no way to get all changeable  
properties (or every unchangeable property a single object may have)  
at once, without creating a custom collection function. This of course  
makes a lot of things very complicated, including making your own  
default objects, creating custom property viewers, and introduces  
various problems for custom debugging and profiling.


I'm sure there's an enhancement request for this, but I can't find it  
(it's hard to search for anything that contains "properties")...  
Should I file one?



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Re: Is it possible to see what called command?

[william humphrey]

That's amazing. Thanks
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preferences and re-inventing the wheel

[william humphrey]

I've never made software that anyone else had to use so I never noticed how
many things are missing in RunRev.
1. There is an excellent menu builder.

2. There is no preference file builder. This should call a sqlite plist file
or something for your program so it can load the information necessary to
run any version of your software. It should also have a flag so you can know
if the computer is meant to host the server or if it is one of the clients.
It needs user name, host name, database name, password, and all kinds of
other stuff like whether it is a Valentina server or a MySQL server.

3. There is no automatic "update my program from a remote server on the
internet". This is something everyone is familiar with in commercial
software and it is crazy (in my opinion) to make every developer re-write
this. The above preference file would be necessary first especially if you
also update the database schema and have to run a back-up of that data
first.

4. Serial number versioning system and protection scheme for unlocking
compiled copies of your program after a 30 day trial period. Every
commercial software has this too. I read this list about various people
trying to invent this. Shouldn't it be available for everyone?

It seems to me that there are many genius developers on this mailing list.
Why can't one come forward (like maybe Andre for the automatic update my
program over the internet substack) and the rest of us all offer him $100 a
piece to make that substack? In these down economic times maybe a socialist
solution like this would be a good idea? Unless, of course, some one is
already working on these solutions or has them already and will sell them
for a reasonable price?

Thanks, I'm going to go back in my grass hut now...
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Re: variable storage

[Thomas McGrath III]

I think you should file an Enhancement Request for this. I would if I  
had the time. This is the second gotcha I hit since I started this  
project.


I think the thing that hit me on this was the antialiased property. So  
maybe a custom function might do the trick.



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Lazy River Software
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On Dec 5, 2008, at 7:19 AM, Björnke von Gierke wrote:



On 5 Dec 2008, at 06:09, Richard Gaskin wrote:


Thomas McGrath wrote:

Mark, Yes except that the properties does not store ALL of the   
possible properties of an object. So it is not a perfect match to  
the  original object.


I believe "the properties" contains all modiable properties of an  
object, so that if you apply that to the template object along with  
"the script" and "the customProperties" you'll effectively recreate  
the object in all respects except for ID, which can be handled with  
the altID property if needed.



The properties contains the ID, but not the antialiased. Therefore,  
this is not true, in fact, there is no way to get all changeable  
properties (or every unchangeable property a single object may have)  
at once, without creating a custom collection function. This of  
course makes a lot of things very complicated, including making your  
own default objects, creating custom property viewers, and  
introduces various problems for custom debugging and profiling.


I'm sure there's an enhancement request for this, but I can't find  
it (it's hard to search for anything that contains "properties")...  
Should I file one?



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Re: preferences and re-inventing the wheel

[Mark Schonewille]

Hi William,

Economy-x-Talk does all the things you mention for clients. I think  
there are more people on this list who have already invented their own  
systems to save preferecnes, make installers, get the versioning right  
etc.


I don't expect RunRev Ltd to create a general-purpose solution for  
each of the issues in your list, because everybody will need something  
slightly different. We will probably all end up creating our own  
systems anyway. If you would like to have a solution customized to  
your needs, feel free to contact me off-list.


Btw, I believe there is an installer maker included in the sales  
package offered by RunRev.


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On 5 dec 2008, at 15:18, william humphrey wrote:

I've never made software that anyone else had to use so I never  
noticed how

many things are missing in RunRev.
1. There is an excellent menu builder.

2. There is no preference file builder. This should call a sqlite  
plist file
or something for your program so it can load the information  
necessary to
run any version of your software. It should also have a flag so you  
can know
if the computer is meant to host the server or if it is one of the  
clients.
It needs user name, host name, database name, password, and all  
kinds of

other stuff like whether it is a Valentina server or a MySQL server.

3. There is no automatic "update my program from a remote server on  
the

internet". This is something everyone is familiar with in commercial
software and it is crazy (in my opinion) to make every developer re- 
write
this. The above preference file would be necessary first especially  
if you

also update the database schema and have to run a back-up of that data
first.

4. Serial number versioning system and protection scheme for unlocking
compiled copies of your program after a 30 day trial period. Every
commercial software has this too. I read this list about various  
people

trying to invent this. Shouldn't it be available for everyone?

It seems to me that there are many genius developers on this mailing  
list.
Why can't one come forward (like maybe Andre for the automatic  
update my
program over the internet substack) and the rest of us all offer him  
$100 a
piece to make that substack? In these down economic times maybe a  
socialist
solution like this would be a good idea? Unless, of course, some one  
is
already working on these solutions or has them already and will sell  
them

for a reasonable price?

Thanks, I'm going to go back in my grass hut now...



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Re: preferences and re-inventing the wheel

[william humphrey]

Why would there be a separate installer maker? If you have enterprise you
already can make compiled versions for each platform. Is the installer maker
something which has these missing features?  That sounds interesting...
I will check out Economy-x-Talk -  and  if I could afford you or anyone
right now I wouldn't be in such a muddle over this but thanks for the offer
:)
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Re: preferences and re-inventing the wheel

[Mark Smith]

William, have a look at Trevor Devore's GLX application framework:

http://www.bluemangolearning.com/developer/revolution/

It's pobably not even close to possible for RunRev themselves to  
implement every single thing that is commonly used by developers, but  
happily, developers have a habit of building their own tools, and  
people around here seem to be inclned to share - there really is a  
lot of stuff available.


One problem we have is that unlike PHP or some other languages, there  
isn't a central repository for everything avialable - though it seems  
that RunRev are planning a major reworking of Rev Online, I'd imagine  
with this exact problem in mind.


Have a look at the "Revolution Search Engine" under the help menu -  
that will help you find stuff, and the rev web-ring also will take  
you to many useful resources - you can start at my page and go from  
there: http://futsoft.futilism.com/revolutionstuff.html


Best,

Mark


On 5 Dec 2008, at 14:18, william humphrey wrote:

I've never made software that anyone else had to use so I never  
noticed how

many things are missing in RunRev.
1. There is an excellent menu builder.

2. There is no preference file builder. This should call a sqlite  
plist file
or something for your program so it can load the information  
necessary to
run any version of your software. It should also have a flag so you  
can know
if the computer is meant to host the server or if it is one of the  
clients.
It needs user name, host name, database name, password, and all  
kinds of

other stuff like whether it is a Valentina server or a MySQL server.

3. There is no automatic "update my program from a remote server on  
the

internet". This is something everyone is familiar with in commercial
software and it is crazy (in my opinion) to make every developer re- 
write
this. The above preference file would be necessary first especially  
if you

also update the database schema and have to run a back-up of that data
first.

4. Serial number versioning system and protection scheme for unlocking
compiled copies of your program after a 30 day trial period. Every
commercial software has this too. I read this list about various  
people

trying to invent this. Shouldn't it be available for everyone?

It seems to me that there are many genius developers on this  
mailing list.
Why can't one come forward (like maybe Andre for the automatic  
update my
program over the internet substack) and the rest of us all offer  
him $100 a
piece to make that substack? In these down economic times maybe a  
socialist
solution like this would be a good idea? Unless, of course, some  
one is
already working on these solutions or has them already and will  
sell them

for a reasonable price?

Thanks, I'm going to go back in my grass hut now...
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Re: preferences and re-inventing the wheel

[Mikey]

William,

RR isn't the only RAD/IDE that does not do or provide these functions.
 RR is a general purpose development environment, and none of the ones
I use include such niceties.  However, there are numerous add-ons that
people have developed.  If one of these does not meet your needs, you
have just discovered a new product market for yourself.

On the item of preferences, there are so many OTHER ways to implement
this that using your proposed solution is actually more complicated,
IMHO, than using many of the other options.  It probably works better
for you than any of mine, so go for it!

Automatic updates are already implemented in numerous RR stacks,
including (if memory serves me right) RevZilla, GLX2, and even RR
itself, so the source code should be trivial to find.  I prefer to NOT
have an updater, and none of the development environments that I use
include a functionality built-in.  Every solution to the problem has
uglies associated with it, which means that you have engineering
decisions to make before implementation.  I have never even considered
giving one to my users in

Version and serial number control is a common problem in every
environment with a multitude of solutions.  Some of those (actually
MANY of those) are commercial.  NONE of the solutions are ideal.  I
can think of at least ten that are completely and radically different
from each other.  Which one is the one RR should implement?  Why
should the rest of us have to put up with THAT one?

Anyway, have no fear.  RR is flexible, so write what you want and sell it.
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Re: preferences and re-inventing the wheel

[william humphrey]

I'm glad I made this post as it looks like the Blue Mango development
framework is the answer. It looks like the solution which any developer
would need.
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Re: preferences and re-inventing the wheel

[Luis]

Hiya,

On point '4': have you seen http://www.runrev.com/products/related- 
software/zygodact


Should cater for part of that at least. Nice bonus is the cgi script.

For versioning I'd go for Magic carpet if you don't want to roll your  
own: http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/MagicCarpetCover/default.htm


Cheers,

Luis.


On 5 Dec 2008, at 14:18, william humphrey wrote:






4. Serial number versioning system and protection scheme for unlocking
compiled copies of your program after a 30 day trial period. Every
commercial software has this too. I read this list about various  
people

trying to invent this. Shouldn't it be available for everyone?

It seems to me that there are many genius developers on this  
mailing list.
Why can't one come forward (like maybe Andre for the automatic  
update my
program over the internet substack) and the rest of us all offer  
him $100 a
piece to make that substack? In these down economic times maybe a  
socialist
solution like this would be a good idea? Unless, of course, some  
one is
already working on these solutions or has them already and will  
sell them

for a reasonable price?

Thanks, I'm going to go back in my grass hut now...
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Re: preferences and re-inventing the wheel

[Neal Campbell]

Absolutely agree, I think Trevor's framework is one of the major
developments in the RR world for 2008. Thanks again Trevor!

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On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 10:11 AM, william humphrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm glad I made this post as it looks like the Blue Mango development
> framework is the answer. It looks like the solution which any developer
> would need.
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Re: preferences and re-inventing the wheel

[Trevor DeVore]

On Dec 5, 2008, at 10:24 AM, Neal Campbell wrote:


Absolutely agree, I think Trevor's framework is one of the major
developments in the RR world for 2008. Thanks again Trevor!


You are welcome.

Once I get an update to ScreenSteps that we are working on out the  
door I have a nice update to release. Hopefully by the end of the  
year. The update has some fixes and improvements to auto updating and  
will also have a custom version of libURL with beefed up proxy support  
(among other things) so that the auto updater, as well as any urls you  
fetch with libURL, are more likely to work in corporations.


I will also be putting together some more docs and a getting started  
guide as what I have available now is pretty bare bones.


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See Jerry-in-the-box with Megabundle

[Heather Nagey]

Dear List Folks,

Hope the holidays are shaping up well for you

Does it sometimes seem that Jerry Daniels pops up everywhere? Check out
Jerry-in-the-box at

http://www.runrev.com/offers/megabundle08/index.htm

While you're there, you might just LOOK at the amazing goodies we're   
giving away this year. If your license is coming up for renewal,  or  
you haven't yet got the Revolution license you really want, this is  
definitely the best time to buy!


Warm Regards,

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Newbie

[dunbarx]

All;

Kind of. I am an experienced HC author, trying this rev thing out.

Spent an hour learning that the message box is married to the stack it 
was opened with.


If I create a stack and fool around with the msg box, then go to 
another stack, all my efforts to do simple tasks fail. Why? Because 
the names of objects were invalid, since msg was still linked to the 
earlier stack. I only got a clue to this when I used object numbers 
instead of names, and of course there it does not matter, and my 
simple commands worked. I closed msg and reopened it with the second 
stack in front. No problem.


My question is, why on earth? And more important, where does it say 
this anywhere in the docs. At least msg should say so.


I see the benefits of Rev. I miss the natural, almost perfect 
transparency of you know what. And I know that thread is old.


Hello, Jacqueline.

Craig Newman
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Re: Newbie

[Colin Holgate]

On Dec 5, 2008, at 11:43 AM, dunbarx wrote:


Hello, Jacqueline.


You think she's the only one here you know?

About the message box, try playing with the multiline variation. Then  
you can start trying tests with a few lines of code, and that can  
have enough advantages over a one line persistent message box that  
you'll learn to cope with the different way of working.



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Re: Newbie

[Mark Schonewille]

Hi Craig,

Welcome to the list. I'm sure you'll see a lot of familiar faces here  
and will quickly feel at home.


The problem with the message box is well-known to me. It is a bug,  
which sometimes occurs and sometimes stays away. I hope it will get  
fixed soon.


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On 5 dec 2008, at 17:43, dunbarx wrote:


All;

Kind of. I am an experienced HC author, trying this rev thing out.

Spent an hour learning that the message box is married to the stack  
it was opened with.


If I create a stack and fool around with the msg box, then go to  
another stack, all my efforts to do simple tasks fail. Why? Because  
the names of objects were invalid, since msg was still linked to the  
earlier stack. I only got a clue to this when I used object numbers  
instead of names, and of course there it does not matter, and my  
simple commands worked. I closed msg and reopened it with the second  
stack in front. No problem.


My question is, why on earth? And more important, where does it say  
this anywhere in the docs. At least msg should say so.


I see the benefits of Rev. I miss the natural, almost perfect  
transparency of you know what. And I know that thread is old.


Hello, Jacqueline.

Craig Newman



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Re: Newbie

[Joe Lewis Wilkins]

Hi Craig,

Possibly you may remember me from MY HC days.

Regarding your problem: My solution, something I've done a jillion  
times, is to just create my own msg box for each project. It may be as  
simple as a single field, or more if needed. My particular favorite is  
a field that I can paste equations into with it spitting out the  
result in a second field. Then I copy and paste the results into other  
docs upon which I am working at the time. Much better than a hand or  
desk calculator and easier on my failing eyes. (smile) Can even print  
as a paper whatchmacallit.


Just a thought!

Joe Wilkins

On Dec 5, 2008, at 8:43 AM, dunbarx wrote:


All;

Kind of. I am an experienced HC author, trying this rev thing out.

Spent an hour learning that the message box is married to the stack  
it was opened with.


If I create a stack and fool around with the msg box, then go to  
another stack, all my efforts to do simple tasks fail. Why? Because  
the names of objects were invalid, since msg was still linked to the  
earlier stack. I only got a clue to this when I used object numbers  
instead of names, and of course there it does not matter, and my  
simple commands worked. I closed msg and reopened it with the second  
stack in front. No problem.


My question is, why on earth? And more important, where does it say  
this anywhere in the docs. At least msg should say so.


I see the benefits of Rev. I miss the natural, almost perfect  
transparency of you know what. And I know that thread is old.


Hello, Jacqueline.

Craig Newman
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Re: Newbie

[dunbarx]

Colin! Mark!

I feel better already. Is Catherine Kunicki here?

Mark, you are correct, it is intermittant. Now msg works fine. And I see it 
tells you the current stack.

Great.

How do you live without Rinaldi? I know that it is possible to work around 
anything, one always could. But I am going to miss "fullFind".

Craig


On Dec 5, 2008, at 11:58:33 AM, "Mark Schonewille" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From:   "Mark Schonewille" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject:Re: Newbie
Date:   December 5, 2008 11:58:33 AM EST
To: "How to use Revolution" 
Hi Craig,

Welcome to the list. I'm sure you'll see a lot of familiar faces here 
and will quickly feel at home.

The problem with the message box is well-known to me. It is a bug, 
which sometimes occurs and sometimes stays away. I hope it will get 
fixed soon.

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On 5 dec 2008, at 17:43, dunbarx wrote:

> All;
>
> Kind of. I am an experienced HC author, trying this rev thing out.
>
> Spent an hour learning that the message box is married to the stack 
> it was opened with.
>
> If I create a stack and fool around with the msg box, then go to 
> another stack, all my efforts to do simple tasks fail. Why? Because 
> the names of objects were invalid, since msg was still linked to the 
> earlier stack. I only got a clue to this when I used object numbers 
> instead of names, and of course there it does not matter, and my 
> simple commands worked. I closed msg and reopened it with the second 
> stack in front. No problem.
>
> My question is, why on earth? And more important, where does it say 
> this anywhere in the docs. At least msg should say so.
>
> I see the benefits of Rev. I miss the natural, almost perfect 
> transparency of you know what. And I know that thread is old.
>
> Hello, Jacqueline.
>
> Craig Newman


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Re: preferences and re-inventing the wheel

[william humphrey]

Thanks Trevor!
It looks like your framework can be added after a RunRev project is
completed which takes a lot of worry out of development. Is it now called
ScreenSteps? I hope that you will also add some instructions for using
glx_FrameWorks with a RunRev application that uses Valentina server - that
will certainly make me hit your paypal donation button harder.

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Re: preferences and re-inventing the wheel

[william humphrey]

Sorry, I see that ScreenSteps is another excellent product. I should get
more sleep...

On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 1:24 PM, william humphrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> Thanks Trevor!
> It looks like your framework can be added after a RunRev project is
> completed which takes a lot of worry out of development. Is it now called
> ScreenSteps? I hope that you will also add some instructions for using
> glx_FrameWorks with a RunRev application that uses Valentina server - that
> will certainly make me hit your paypal donation button harder.
>
> Bill
>



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(no subject)

[Richmond Mathewson]

Mark Schonewille wrote:

"I think  
there are more people on this list who have already invented their own  
systems to save preferecnes, make installers, get the versioning right  
etc.

I don't expect RunRev Ltd to create a general-purpose solution for  
each of the issues in your list, because everybody will need something  
slightly different. We will probably all end up creating our own  
systems anyway."

Now what I am going to write will be, I hope, contentious and stimulate
a lot of CONSTRUCTIVE comment:

I don't like being spoon-fed, and have spent my life in Education
trying to wean both kids and adult learners off a dependency on
spoon-feeding. I believe that when we were made/born we came with
reasonably efficient brains - and those brains are to be used.

What I like about Runtime Revolution consists of both its capabilities
and what it does not offer prepackaged; or, let me draw a parallel with
English (a language, as a Scot, I have made my living from for many years);
RR supplies the grammar, the syntax and the vocabulary; but, thank God, 
it does not supply the sentences; that is to say, it allows us an awful
lot of freedom. This has been demonstrated time and time again on this 
Use-List, where many people have come up with many solutions to a single
problem - this is fantastic. I, for one, have never had an urge to live
in a totalitarian state (especially as I live and work in a country that used 
to be a totalitarian state, and is still, 20 years later, suffering, 
considerably, from the psychological aftermath), in fact one of the reasons
I like life in Bulgaria rather than Scotland is that society is not becoming 
increasingly rule-bound. Nobody can accuse Runtime Revolution of being
rule-bound! And, ultimately it is psychologically healthier for us to
retrace parts of inventing the wheel (hence the collection of slide-rules down 
in my school, which I force on my pupils for 1 day a year).

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson.



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Re: Sqlite remotely

[hershel fisch]

On 12/4/08 4:31 PM, "Kee Nethery" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Thanks, to all.
Hershel Fisch

> sqlite is is a sql database but it is not a multi-user database. Think
> of it as a local file on your hard drive (in fact that is what it is).
> If you want to use it remotely, you have to mount that hard drive
> remotely, open the sqlite file, and then read and write to it. While
> you are doing that, no one else can.
> 
> If you want multiple people to read and write from the same sqlite
> database file, you will need to build an app that accepts requests
> from remote users and it and only it opens and reads and writes to
> that data file. That connecter server is not a standard part of
> sqlite. You would have to build it yourself.
> 
> sqlite is great for applications that need local data storage. For
> example, most (if not all) of the Apple apps running on a Mac store
> all their data in sqlite data files. It's not a multi-user database.
> 
> Kee Nethery
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Re: preferences and re-inventing the wheel

[J. Landman Gay]

william humphrey wrote:


4. Serial number versioning system and protection scheme for unlocking
compiled copies of your program after a 30 day trial period. Every
commercial software has this too. I read this list about various people
trying to invent this. Shouldn't it be available for everyone?


(Blowing my own horn:) There's a new RevSelect product just released 
yesterday that can help you with this. See Zygodact here: 



It doesn't do versioning, which is a somewhat separate piece, but it 
does take care of creating and tracking user registrations for you. The 
manual tells you how to use it to implement trial periods and offers a 
script.


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Re: Newbie

[Bill Marriott]

I am a little confused... If you look at the Rev message box, there is an 
area to the right of all the buttons across the top. (If you don't see those 
buttons, click the arrow icon in the top-right to show them.)

It will have the name of the target stack the messages will be sent to. If 
you have multiple stacks open, it will automatically change to whichever 
stack is in the foreground. You can simply select the stack you want to work 
with from the drop-down menu (click the name of the stack). If you want to 
lock it into a particular stack, just click the lock icon on the far right. 
Perhaps you locked the messages to a particular stack inadvertently?

It seems this obviates the need for tedious workarounds like fields, etc., 
and makes it unambiguous where a message should be directed.


"dunbarx" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
> Spent an hour learning that the message box is married to the stack it was 
> opened with.
>
> If I create a stack and fool around with the msg box, then go to another 
> stack, all my efforts to do simple tasks fail. Why? Because the names of 
> objects were invalid, since msg was still linked to the earlier stack. I 
> only got a clue to this when I used object numbers instead of names, and 
> of course there it does not matter, and my simple commands worked. I 
> closed msg and reopened it with the second stack in front. No problem.
>
> My question is, why on earth? And more important, where does it say this 
> anywhere in the docs. At least msg should say so.



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Re: Newbie

[J. Landman Gay]

dunbarx wrote:

Colin! Mark!

I feel better already. Is Catherine Kunicki here?


Hi Craig! Great to see you here. Don't think Cat's here. You should poke
her to join. :)



Mark, you are correct, it is intermittant. Now msg works fine. And I 
see it tells you the current stack.




As you noticed, there's a slight bug in the message box. But when it is
working properly you can click on the stack name, and select the stack
you want it to target from a popup list. That's a very nice feature.


Great.

How do you live without Rinaldi? I know that it is possible to work 
around anything, one always could. But I am going to miss "fullFind".





I have only needed an external once in all the years I've been using
Rev, and that was for a very specialized application. All the other 
stuff we used to use externals for is now built into the engine. I 
really doubt you'll ever need to implement an external. The language has 
3 or 4 times as many commands and functions as you-know-what. ;)


FullFind can be replaced with the "filter" command, or by using any one
of the various offset functions. If you choose to use offset, be sure to
use the "skip" parameter or else you will be searching the same text
repeatedly.

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Re: See Jerry-in-the-box with Megabundle

[Thomas McGrath III]

How long is this offer good for??? I could not find an until date?

Thanks

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On Dec 5, 2008, at 11:34 AM, Heather Nagey wrote:


Dear List Folks,

Hope the holidays are shaping up well for you

Does it sometimes seem that Jerry Daniels pops up everywhere? Check  
out

Jerry-in-the-box at

http://www.runrev.com/offers/megabundle08/index.htm

While you're there, you might just LOOK at the amazing goodies  
we're  giving away this year. If your license is coming up for  
renewal,  or you haven't yet got the Revolution license you really  
want, this is definitely the best time to buy!


Warm Regards,

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Re: Newbie

[Thomas McGrath III]

Welcome Craig..

Good to have you here on the Use list.

Regards,

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On Dec 5, 2008, at 11:43 AM, dunbarx wrote:


All;

Kind of. I am an experienced HC author, trying this rev thing out.

Spent an hour learning that the message box is married to the stack  
it was opened with.


If I create a stack and fool around with the msg box, then go to  
another stack, all my efforts to do simple tasks fail. Why? Because  
the names of objects were invalid, since msg was still linked to the  
earlier stack. I only got a clue to this when I used object numbers  
instead of names, and of course there it does not matter, and my  
simple commands worked. I closed msg and reopened it with the second  
stack in front. No problem.


My question is, why on earth? And more important, where does it say  
this anywhere in the docs. At least msg should say so.


I see the benefits of Rev. I miss the natural, almost perfect  
transparency of you know what. And I know that thread is old.


Hello, Jacqueline.

Craig Newman
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Re: See Jerry-in-the-box with Megabundle

[J. Landman Gay]

Thomas McGrath III wrote:

How long is this offer good for??? I could not find an until date?


It's way down near the bottom, just above the last table with the 3 "Buy 
Now" buttons. January 16.


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Re: preferences and re-inventing the wheel

[Trevor DeVore]

On Dec 5, 2008, at 12:24 PM, william humphrey wrote:


Thanks Trevor!
It looks like your framework can be added after a RunRev project is
completed which takes a lot of worry out of development.


You can implement the framework into an existing program. You probably  
saw the lesson about this that discusses how to add your existing  
stacks to an app created with the framework:





I hope that you will also add some instructions for using
glx_FrameWorks with a RunRev application that uses Valentina server  
- that

will certainly make me hit your paypal donation button harder.


I'm not aware of anything specific to Valentina that would be  
different when using the framework. If you have specific questions let  
me know and I can create lessons to address them.


Regards,

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Re: Newbie

[Richard Gaskin]

dunbarx wrote:


How do you live without Rinaldi?


Rinaldi's a Rev developer, so he's still with us.  In fact, he's even 
presented at some of the Rev conferences.


Check out the site for the Rinaldi Collection:

   Note to Revolution Users

   Transcript being so fast, some externals has been rewritten
   using it.  Those are now checkmarked in a new "RR" column
   appearing in the XCMD Collection list.  You simply have to
   copy the script to your stack in order to have all your
   existing calls to the external work identically, including
   original parameters.

   Keep on HyperCarding, SuperCarding, Directoring, MetaCarding...

   and most of all : Revolutioning, which is FINALLY the right
   HyperCard successor!




With HC I could barely get through the day without relying on externals, 
and when SuperCard came along at last I had real scrolling windows with 
scroll bars, integrated color support, native dialogs, and other things 
I used to have to work around with externals in HC, but I still had to 
use externals for many things like heavy text parsing/sorting, resource 
manipulation, etc.


When I first started porting projects to Rev back in '98, I was 
concerned that I'd have to rewrite externals twice, once for the Rev API 
again for use on Windows.  Wasn't looking forward to that.


What I found instead was that I don't need them at all:  the 
functionality of every external I'd ever used back then was relatively 
easy to rewrite natively in Rev, which not only saved me a heck of a lot 
of time but also means it all runs on all supported platforms - even Linux.


Rinaldi's right:  Transcript is so fast that once you get the hang of 
using "sort", "filter", "repeat for each...", and other things not found 
in native HyperTalk you'll likely be as pleasantly surprised as I was at 
how well you can do on your own, at last liberated from the need to keep 
jumping over to a C compiler for basic tasks.


And then you'll start using things like window transparency and custom 
shapes, object transparency, the new built-in gradients, integrated QTVR 
support, one-line HTTP and FTP commands, and a whole lot more, and the 
biggest problem you'll have is all the other things in your life that 
don't get attended to while you find yourself playing with Rev all day. :)



Here's a simple trick that you may enjoy if you haven't come across it 
before - put this in the Message Box and hit Return:


 go (decompress(url "http://www.fourthworld.net/revnet/RevNet.rev.gz";))

In one line it does the following:

1. Contacts my server and downloads RevNet.rev.gz

2. It's in a compressed gzip format for quick delivery,
   so the built-in decompress function expands it.

3. Opens and displays that stack from memory.

(You can also access that stack from within Rev using 
Development->Plugins->GoRevNet.)


There are other goodies in that stack, such as a list of other stacks 
that can be downloaded from within it, an index to the handy Rev tips 
from Ken Ray's site, and more, much of it dynamically pulled from 
different sites around the 'net -- all in native Transcript.


Built-in compression and one-liner Internet calls are among my favorite 
things about Rev, opening up whole new worlds for delivering 
centrally-managed software over the 'net.


If that sort of thing sparks your interest, check out this article on 
Richard Herz' Reactor Lab, a distributed courseware system made with Rev:



The possibilities are endless

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Re: Newbie

[Jim Ault]

On 12/5/08 9:10 AM, "dunbarx" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> How do you live without Rinaldi? I know that it is possible to work around
> anything, one always could. But I am going to miss "fullFind".
> 
I used to live with the Rinaldi library, but you will discover that Rev
needs very little in the way of extentions.

Check out F. Rinaldi's own site for his take on Rev and any updates he has
done.  

in fact, Rinaldi is built into the Rev Documentation feature
Try this.. 
In Rev, go to the menu and choose "Documentation"
then click on "Search"
then choose Web Database at the top of the palette.
Now type in "Rinaldi"
Double click on the choice "Rev Stuff_Frederic Rinaldi"

Also try "extension"


( quoted from http://rinaldicollection.free.fr/)
Note to Revolution Users

Transcript being so fast, some externals has been rewritten using it.
Those are now checkmarked in a new "RR" column appearing in the XCMD
Collection list.
You simply have to copy the script to your stack in order to have all your
existing calls
to the external work identically, including original parameters.


By the way, you should try discovering two tools that help with learning the
rich Rev environment:
Application Browser in the Tool menu,
and explore the authoring power of Find & Replace in the Edit menu

Welcome to Rev and hope you find it very rewarding

Jim Ault
Las Vegas



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Re: See Jerry-in-the-box with Megabundle

[Thomas McGrath III]

Ah, Yes, There it is. Way down there... Right out in the open for  
everyone to see


Thanks,

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On Dec 5, 2008, at 1:24 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:


Thomas McGrath III wrote:

How long is this offer good for??? I could not find an until date?


It's way down near the bottom, just above the last table with the 3  
"Buy Now" buttons. January 16.


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Re: See Jerry-in-the-box with Megabundle

[J. Landman Gay]

Thomas McGrath III wrote:
Ah, Yes, There it is. Way down there... Right out in the open for 
everyone to see


Well, with Jerry's head bobbing around like that, I'm not surprised you 
were distracted. :)


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Folder tree

[Javier Miranda V.]

Have anyone of you friends programmed an interface to show a  
graphically, a folder structure (nested) similar to the way Windwos  
use when in "Explore" mode?  It should be able to nest indeterminated  
number of subfolders reaching the actual documents at any level, it  
also shoul handle collapse/expand and be re-arranged like moving a  
folder up in the structure with it´s subfolders.



Saludos,

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writing lines to the driver

[-= JB =-]

When I open a driver port I am able to write to the driver and close  
the port without any problems.
I can open the driver port and write to the driver 9 times writing  
one line at a time no problems.

After I write the 10th line to the driver Rev crashes.
If I close the port after writing line 9 to the driver I can write to  
the driver 9 more times.


The line can have a few chars or a large line of text and the crash  
still comes after writing to the

driver 9 times.

How can I clear any buffer or whatever is doing the counting without  
closing the port and the

needing to reopen the port to keep writing lines to the driver?

-=>JB<=-
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Re: preferences and re-inventing the wheel

[-= JB =-]

That sounds really nice, Jacque.

-=>JB<=-


On Dec 5, 2008, at 9:59 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:


william humphrey wrote:

4. Serial number versioning system and protection scheme for  
unlocking

compiled copies of your program after a 30 day trial period. Every
commercial software has this too. I read this list about various  
people

trying to invent this. Shouldn't it be available for everyone?


(Blowing my own horn:) There's a new RevSelect product just  
released yesterday that can help you with this. See Zygodact here:  



It doesn't do versioning, which is a somewhat separate piece, but  
it does take care of creating and tracking user registrations for  
you. The manual tells you how to use it to implement trial periods  
and offers a script.


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Re: Sqlite remotely

[viktoras didziulis]

there is one trick to make it working like a multiuser database. The 
same trick was frequently used in all flat-file based multiuser 
environments (mostly websites). I did not try it with Revolution yet, 
but did many times in Perl (CGI) and it works. It is not lightning fast, 
but multiuser.


A verbal simplified description of this "ancient" recipe is:
(1) Before updating database check if file "sem.txt" is present.
(2) If it is present - wait a few milliseconds and check (1) again.
(3) Otherwise if it is not present, create "sem.txt" and start updating 
the database.
(4) When the job is finished, delete "sem.txt", so that another process 
won't see it.


one implementation of sqlite that is able to access remote sqlite 
database is Apache modsqlite module. Ask Google for more info..


best wishes!
Viktoras

hershel fisch wrote:

On 12/4/08 4:31 PM, "Kee Nethery" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Thanks, to all.
Hershel Fisch

  

sqlite is is a sql database but it is not a multi-user database. Think
of it as a local file on your hard drive (in fact that is what it is).
If you want to use it remotely, you have to mount that hard drive
remotely, open the sqlite file, and then read and write to it. While
you are doing that, no one else can.

If you want multiple people to read and write from the same sqlite
database file, you will need to build an app that accepts requests
from remote users and it and only it opens and reads and writes to
that data file. That connecter server is not a standard part of
sqlite. You would have to build it yourself.

sqlite is great for applications that need local data storage. For
example, most (if not all) of the Apple apps running on a Mac store
all their data in sqlite data files. It's not a multi-user database.

Kee Nethery


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Town Planning for 7-9 year old EFL pupils.

[Richmond Mathewson]

Layer-Fix version of "LOCATION.rev" uploaded to revOnline.

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson.



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Rev On Rockets On Dreamhost - Does it work there?

[Stephen Barncard]

Hello Rev Nation,

I was watching Andre's discussion of Rev On Rockets from the Vegas 
conferences, and got inspired to give it a go. It seemed so simple. 
It works great locally on the Mac.


The hosting for me and my friends is Dreamhost, and I was certain 
that I heard that someone had successfully made it work there. I had 
saved the earliest ROR code that Andre put out a while ago, and which 
I tried to unsuccessfully get to work.


Read the docs, placed the 2.9 x86 Linux standalone engine into the 
cgi-bin folder (after installing the www part of ROR into cgi-bin), 
set the permissions to 755, renamed Standalone to revolution (lower 
case), and brought up a browser looking at a subdomain I created for 
RevHTTP on the web.


I zipped everything and used Terminal to expand  in situ. Also just 
downloaded the newest version of Andre's code. Same thing.


Errors, errors. It's obvious Rev is not being executed. Did anyone 
really get it to work at Dreamhost and what were the incantations? 
Did the aforementioned engine ever work? Will the 3.5 engine work? 
Should I try to go back in history and get a really old engine?  I 
thought Rev had fixed this. Searches on the net of old list posts 
reveal Dan Shafer giving up in desperation and not many success 
stories.


I'm sure it's me or my something about Dreamhost one or the other. 
I'm not sure they could help me unless I have some idea of what to do.


This is one of two major gaps I have with rev. The other is getting 
SQLLite to do anything. (I work with SQL Fat every day) .. I'm 
off to watch Trevor's VEGAS 08 talk on just that topic.


thanks,

sqb

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Re: Rev On Rockets On Dreamhost - Does it work there?

[Mark Smith]

Stephen, I've not run RoR, but I am having no problems running the  
3.0 engine (Linux of course) for cgi on Dreamhost. Does RoR act as  
web-server? Would that mean disabling Apache?


Best,

Mark

On 6 Dec 2008, at 02:05, Stephen Barncard wrote:


Hello Rev Nation,

I was watching Andre's discussion of Rev On Rockets from the Vegas  
conferences, and got inspired to give it a go. It seemed so simple.  
It works great locally on the Mac.


The hosting for me and my friends is Dreamhost, and I was certain  
that I heard that someone had successfully made it work there. I  
had saved the earliest ROR code that Andre put out a while ago, and  
which I tried to unsuccessfully get to work.


Read the docs, placed the 2.9 x86 Linux standalone engine into the  
cgi-bin folder (after installing the www part of ROR into cgi-bin),  
set the permissions to 755, renamed Standalone to revolution (lower  
case), and brought up a browser looking at a subdomain I created  
for RevHTTP on the web.


I zipped everything and used Terminal to expand  in situ. Also just  
downloaded the newest version of Andre's code. Same thing.


Errors, errors. It's obvious Rev is not being executed. Did anyone  
really get it to work at Dreamhost and what were the incantations?  
Did the aforementioned engine ever work? Will the 3.5 engine work?  
Should I try to go back in history and get a really old engine?  I  
thought Rev had fixed this. Searches on the net of old list posts  
reveal Dan Shafer giving up in desperation and not many success  
stories.


I'm sure it's me or my something about Dreamhost one or the other.  
I'm not sure they could help me unless I have some idea of what to do.


This is one of two major gaps I have with rev. The other is getting  
SQLLite to do anything. (I work with SQL Fat every day) .. I'm  
off to watch Trevor's VEGAS 08 talk on just that topic.


thanks,

sqb

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Re: Rev On Rockets On Dreamhost - Does it work there?

[Stephen Barncard]

Hi Mark,

No, ROR doesn't require RevHTTP. I'm not using that part of the 
demonstration. I've seen and tried that, and wanted to get it into 
the Apache world.


I'm strictly following Andre's instructions and can't even get world> to work. He did it in front of people and video at the last 
RevCon. Thanks for the thumbs up on the 3.0 engine. Perhaps I made a 
mistake in engine. I'll try again.

thanks

sqb

Stephen, I've not run RoR, but I am having no problems running the 
3.0 engine (Linux of course) for cgi on Dreamhost. Does RoR act as 
web-server? Would that mean disabling Apache?


Best,

Mark


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Re: How to detect a CD Drive / write permissions?

[Ken Ray]

 didn't found the answer in the archives, though it seems to be very
> standard.
> 
> 1. How to test If I have write permissions on a dir?
> 
> 2. How can I detect, if a volume is a HD or CD/DVD?

What platform(s) do you need this info for?

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
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unfocus field

[Thomas McGrath III]

I need a little help.
I have field that accepts text. I want the insertion point and the  
focus border to not be there when I leave that field and push a button  
then go back to normal when the button script is done.


I tried showfocusborder but it does not get rid of the insertion line
"focus on" only works if I have another field to change the focus to,  
but I don't.


Scratching my head??

Tom McGrath III
Lazy River Software
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iTunes Library Suite - libITS
Information and download can be found on this page:
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Re: unfocus field

[Scott Morrow]

Hello Thomas,
You can also focus on other objects.  Your button script could say  
"focus on me" and that would remove the focus from your field.


Scott Morrow

Elementary Software
(Now with 20% less chalk dust!)
web   http://elementarysoftware.com/
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On Dec 5, 2008, at 9:44 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:


I need a little help.
I have field that accepts text. I want the insertion point and the  
focus border to not be there when I leave that field and push a  
button then go back to normal when the button script is done.


I tried showfocusborder but it does not get rid of the insertion line
"focus on" only works if I have another field to change the focus  
to, but I don't.


Scratching my head??

Tom McGrath III
Lazy River Software
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

iTunes Library Suite - libITS
Information and download can be found on this page:
http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/RevOne.html


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Re: unfocus field

[Joe Lewis Wilkins]

Tom,

Maybe a little inelegant, but if it works when you have another field,  
why not try either a hidden or offscreen field for that purpose.


Joe Wilkins

On Dec 5, 2008, at 9:44 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:


I need a little help.
I have field that accepts text. I want the insertion point and the  
focus border to not be there when I leave that field and push a  
button then go back to normal when the button script is done.


I tried showfocusborder but it does not get rid of the insertion line
"focus on" only works if I have another field to change the focus  
to, but I don't.


Scratching my head??

Tom McGrath III
Lazy River Software
[EMAIL PROTECTED]






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Re: unfocus field

[Ken Ray]

> Hello Thomas,
> You can also focus on other objects.  Your button script could say
> "focus on me" and that would remove the focus from your field.

Even simpler:

   select empty

:-)


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
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Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


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