Re: [OT] Ubuntu 8.10: headaches and nothing else.
All this is a reason for going with Debian proper rather than Ubuntu. You get continuous upgrades. Whereas Ubuntu, you have Debian in the background, but you have to do clean re-installs every time you do a major upgrade. So with Ubuntu, you have all the disadvantages of Debian and none of the advantages. If going with a release type upgrade, there is a lot to be said for Mandriva or PCLinux. 2008.1 was a pretty good release of Mandriva, and you can choose from KDE 3 or Gnome in the One versions. 2009 is KDE 4.1, so its probably worth waiting a while for a KDE 4.2 release, as lots of stuff is still incompatible and there is still a bit of work to be done on usability. Mandriva updates, you can just clean install without formatting /home, and its pretty reliable. If going with a Debian derivative there is a lot to be said for Mepis, which does do continuous upgrades. I would go with Debian Etch by the way, if going to Debian - there is no percentage in even going with Lenny until it becomes Stable. On older machines, there's a lot to be said for Zenwalk. Xfce Slackware based. Or Debian with Fluxbox. The blackout might be a misconfigured xorg issue. I've met this with installing Lenny. Problem is that dpkg-reconfigure does not seem to give you proper access to the xorg parameters in their currently packaged version of xorg, so this means editing xorg.conf by hand, which is no fun - and I could not make even this work last time. On /home and partitions, yes, /home should always be a separate partition. If you have configuration problems, dpkg-reconfigure. I can't see any reason to have /usr/bin on a separate partition. It used to be recommended to put /usr on a separate partition, but I always thought it more trouble than its worth. Still less reason to put Grub on one. What does this get you? -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/-OT--Ubuntu-8.10%3A-headaches-and-nothing-else.-tp20870256p20879415.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: variable storage
I made an enhancement request: http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=7518 I also filed a docu bug, as the dictionary is wrong about what the properties will return: http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=7519 Björnke On 5 Dec 2008, at 15:25, Thomas McGrath III wrote: I think you should file an Enhancement Request for this. I would if I had the time. This is the second gotcha I hit since I started this project. I think the thing that hit me on this was the antialiased property. So maybe a custom function might do the trick. On Dec 5, 2008, at 7:19 AM, Björnke von Gierke wrote: The properties contains the ID, but not the antialiased. ... ...in fact, there is no way to get all changeable properties (or every unchangeable property a single object may have) at once, without creating a custom collection function. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rinaldi and Rev Speed wuz Re: Newbie
... and Leonard Buck Windowscript... :-) René from Paris Le 7 déc. 08 à 08:57, Ken Ray a écrit : The speed thing is really true with Rev. When I started experimenting with Rev in late 2001 on Mac OS9, I wasted a whole lot of time worrying if my old XCMDs would run in the environment. I was just familiar with the way I always did it -- HC for the front end, XCMDs to do the heavy lifting. Then I did a little text manipulation and was amazed at how fast it was. Amen, Stephen, that's the way it was, back in the day... Of course, there were many other great products that enabled us - like Compilit, X-App, Windowscript, and Tom Pitman's PrintReport, which had features only now rivaled by Rev, 20 years later. True; one minor correct, though... Tom Pittman was the author of Compile-It, while John Nairn was the author of PrintReport (IIRC). Boy, that brings back memories... :-) Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Ubuntu 8.10: headaches and nothing else.
Personnaly, I hate Ubuntu. As Linux user, my favorites distributions are those: - Centos (Redhat Enterprise Linux Free) - Debian As Centos is RHEL, everything is working fine, it does not have the latest technology as other distributions but it is really stable. And updating works! Debian is really fine for servers (Without GUI or anything useless for a server). There is also OpenSolaris that is becoming great. But it is not mature for desktop usage. (But ZFS is really cool). Peter Alcibiades a écrit : All this is a reason for going with Debian proper rather than Ubuntu. You get continuous upgrades. Whereas Ubuntu, you have Debian in the background, but you have to do clean re-installs every time you do a major upgrade. So with Ubuntu, you have all the disadvantages of Debian and none of the advantages. If going with a release type upgrade, there is a lot to be said for Mandriva or PCLinux. 2008.1 was a pretty good release of Mandriva, and you can choose from KDE 3 or Gnome in the One versions. 2009 is KDE 4.1, so its probably worth waiting a while for a KDE 4.2 release, as lots of stuff is still incompatible and there is still a bit of work to be done on usability. Mandriva updates, you can just clean install without formatting /home, and its pretty reliable. If going with a Debian derivative there is a lot to be said for Mepis, which does do continuous upgrades. I would go with Debian Etch by the way, if going to Debian - there is no percentage in even going with Lenny until it becomes Stable. On older machines, there's a lot to be said for Zenwalk. Xfce Slackware based. Or Debian with Fluxbox. The blackout might be a misconfigured xorg issue. I've met this with installing Lenny. Problem is that dpkg-reconfigure does not seem to give you proper access to the xorg parameters in their currently packaged version of xorg, so this means editing xorg.conf by hand, which is no fun - and I could not make even this work last time. On /home and partitions, yes, /home should always be a separate partition. If you have configuration problems, dpkg-reconfigure. I can't see any reason to have /usr/bin on a separate partition. It used to be recommended to put /usr on a separate partition, but I always thought it more trouble than its worth. Still less reason to put Grub on one. What does this get you? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
[OT] Ubuntu 8.10: headaches and nothing else.
I don't hate Ubuntu. Ubuntu has served extremely well, breathing life into a few extremely low-spec Pentium IIIs in my EFL school. Those computers have been running Ubuntu 5.10 since that distro was released; no crash, no smash, and always does what it is meant to do. Having spent days guttering about in the late 90s, in the United Arab Emirates, trying to get SUSE and Red Hat to do anything at all (and failing completely) I appreciate the Ubuntu Alternate Install CDs like nothing on earth - dead easy; and in a relatively short time I can have a system up and running; and in a relatively short time more I can tweak GNOME or XFCE around to get the sort of GUI I want, or my customers feel conmfortable with. Runtime Revolution standalones work a charm on Ubuntu. However, the other day I bought a Pentium 4, 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM; popped a stray 40 GB Hard Disk into it and thought: That's just what I need for RAD with Runtime Revolution in the school. So thought I would bung in Ubuntu 8.10 - - - and ended up with a black screen. That computer is now strutting its funky stuff very well indeed with Ubuntu 8.04.1. I suspect that the .1 may, actually hold the secret of what is happening to Ubuntu: they are getting slack, or, in the urge to get a new distro out every 6 months, their Beta-testing has not been as rigorous as it should be. No doubt, in a while, we will see a 8.10.1. This however, will make people begin to lose faith in Ubuntu; as the idea of bug-fix releases looks like what Microsoft has always been about, and Macintosh seem to be becoming. I cannot cry about this that much as a Free operating system, inevitably, has a price somewhere else. Maybe Ubuntu should stop being quite so arrogant and stop shouting from the rooftops, and release a better, more tightly tested distro once a year, or, even once every 18 months. After all, upgrading (despite the cult of ever upwards, ever onwards) is a slightly illusory process; it looks remarkably like the theories pushed by people who, willingly, misunderstand Darwin, and would have humanity at the top of a great chain of being that is continually improving; another load of old tosh. Now, I have never bothered to upgrade my school computers as they do what they are meant to do - and upgrading is time consuming, requires an internet connexion (which I do not have in the school - i.e. herniated discs carrying machines up 3 flights of stairs), and unnecessary. My initial posting under this heading was merely intended as a warning to anybody in the Runtime Revolution community who was thinking of either installing or upgrading to Ubuntu 8.10 no to. I am aware that there are all sorts of ways, through exotic terminal commands, and so on, to work one's way round the 8.10 problem: Hey, life's to short, I've got kids to educate, programs to write, and so on ad nauseam. Actually GIRARD Damien, I cannot understand why anybody would HATE any particular operating system. I, personally, dislike Microsoft Windows, mainly because it seems resource-hungry, shot full of holes, and pushed by a company with a cynical attitude towards its end-users. However, like it or not, I have to use Windows about once a month, and there are some aspects of that system I rather like. And, quite honestly, apart from FreeDOS running the GEM GUI, I find all systems never quite match up to my expectations; they are shot full of inconsistencies and little quirks: but, then, so am I, and so are you: we are human, and operating systems are made by human beings. [The reason I like FreeDOS with GEM is that it is so obviously a rickety old system with a cack-handed attempt at a GUI I have no illusions about what it can do - so we get along fine!] sincerely, Richmond Mathewson. A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development Life Cycle. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Vista external: Progress
Hi all, I worked a bit on the Vista External, and I am starting to have few things interesting. I will continue to search in order to have cool features for Revolution on Vista. Here is a screenshot of what I did: http://www.dam-pro.com/devel/Vista_Rev/Screenshot2.png Best, Damien Girard Dam-pro, France. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Ubuntu 8.10: headaches and nothing else.
Sorry, Richard, I was just trying to help you get around it. There are other issues as well. For example, in a clean 8.1 install, I have HPLIP (a sophisticated manager for HP printers). I decided to uninstall it to try something, except when it uninstalled, it took all my network services with it. Reboot - nothing. Reboot - nothing. Reinstall HPLIP - all's right with the world. Ubuntu definitely isn't anywhere near perfect, or anywhere near the polish of the Big Two, but I really like it, the price is sure right, and Compiz really blows everyone's socks off when I show it to them. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Ubuntu 8.10: headaches and nothing else.
Trying to get the responses all in one: 1) I really hate Solaris, period. I hate it on our Sun boxes, too. Maybe that's because the commands seem very clunky compared to HP-UX. I hate the interfaces. I haven't tried OS, but I can't imagine that it's shed its legacy. 2) On a client, why is Debian better? For servers, you could make any argument for any distro and I'm sure it would make sense on one level or another, but I'm putting this on my lappie. 3) I used to have Mandrake on a lappie, and didn't mind it, but it doesn't seem to have the following that Ubuntu has now, and in my experience, when I can't fix something, there's no substitute for having lots of folks in the community (but I haven't tried Mandriva recently, either). 4) The fracturing of the distros is a problem for overall Linux adoption, IMHO, but that's just my HO. 5) The reason for putting GRUB on its own partition is so that each distro and release doesn't overrun and hijack your settings and preferences. With GRUB on its own partition, your control is much better, especially if you have the possibility of actually multibooting - e.g. in Richard's situation where he's pulling the cord on Intrepid to go back to Hardy. In my case, after my disaster in-place upgrade of Hardy to Intrepid, when I decided to have multiple distros in place, I put Intrepid in first. Then I put in Hardy. The Hardy GRUB is the one that boots, since it is the one that was installed last. This is exactly what will happen with each and every install - the latest will hijack GRUB and you are at its mercy. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Returning the Keys
How do I put a lineOffset into an array and return them with other keys? I've tried this: function myFunction myVariable repeat for each line thisLine in myVariable put lineOffset(myline,myVariable) return into myArray[linenumber] -- trying to return the lineOffset for the unique line in the text add 1 to myArray[thewords] -- returns the unique lines in the text end repeat return the keys of myArray end myFunction I've tried several variations, but the only thing that is ever returned from the [lineNumber] key is lineNumber (in stead of, for instance line 4 of fld 22) How do I return the lineOffset in this array properly? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rinaldi and Rev Speed wuz Re: Newbie
Totally right, Ray, got them switched. I heard John Nairn was a gardener by day and wrote that XCMD by night. True; one minor correct, though... Tom Pittman was the author of Compile-It, while John Nairn was the author of PrintReport (IIRC). Boy, that brings back memories... :-) Ken Ray -- stephen barncard s a n f r a n c i s c o - - - - - - - - - - - - ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Returning the Keys
--- Marcus Lindley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do I put a lineOffset into an array and return them with other keys? I've tried this: function myFunction myVariable repeat for each line thisLine in myVariable put lineOffset(myline,myVariable) return into myArray[linenumber] -- trying to return the lineOffset for the unique line in the text add 1 to myArray[thewords] -- returns the unique lines in the text end repeat return the keys of myArray end myFunction I've tried several variations, but the only thing that is ever returned from the [lineNumber] key is lineNumber (in stead of, for instance line 4 of fld 22) How do I return the lineOffset in this array properly? Hi Marcus, I have to say I'm a little confused by your question. None of the variables myLine, linenumber and thewords are initialized anywhere. When you use the 'repeat for each line' loop, you can easily track the line number you're on by incrementing a separate variable. ## put 0 into theLineNumber repeat for each line theLine in theVariable add 1 to theLineNumber -- now do whatever you need with the current line number end repeat ## But other than that, it's easiest if you give us a short example of input data and what the output should look like. Then we can help you find the best algorithm for the job at hand. Jan Schenkel. Quartam Reports PDF Library for Revolution http://www.quartam.com = As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time. (La Rochefoucauld) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: variable storage
Björnke wrote: I made an enhancement request: http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=7518 I also filed a docu bug, as the dictionary is wrong about what the properties will return: http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=7519 Thank you. It's my understanding that Scott Raney added the properties of object specifically for RunRev Ltd. as a way to allow them efficiently recreate objects. I'm sure the absence of the new antiAlias property was merely an error which will be corrected now that your report has brought it to their attention. In the meantime, thankfully the default for the antiAlias property is true, which is probably what most people would want anyway. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
[OT] Ubuntu 8.10: headaches and nothing else.
Mikey wrote: Sorry, Richard . . . Who is 'Richard' ? Sure hope he appreciated your apologies. Love, Richmond :) A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development Life Cycle. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev On Rockets On Dreamhost - Does it work there?
Stephen, Sorry for being late on this thread. And thanks for your support of Rev On Rockets initiative. The error you're having is a permission error. You must be sure you set the correct permissions on the file and also the correct user and group with chown command. chown user:group filename suEXEC needs the correct user and group. Just log in by SSH to your dreamhost account and do a ls -l to see which user and group is being used on your account (they are not standard, they are unique to each dreamhost account). You can enable Shell Access on your Dreamhost account by going into the accounts setup in the control panel. They have something like: Full access which you need to enable so you can use shell access. There you'll see the user and group for your given www user. Then you need to set the rest of the files to the same user and group or Dreamhost suEXEC will complain and refuse to run. Try that and get back to me. Cheers andre On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 3:47 PM, Stephen Barncard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Richard. That's good to know. Yes, I've been looking at the logs and I always get this error: suexec policy violation: see suexec log for more details, referer: http://cms3.mitchmarcusmusic.com/ I have no suexec log. the only other error is the error for not having the error page! I've sent a support ticket to the Dreamhost techs, they're pretty good about things. You're idea for the send script to and return logs is a good one. I'll incorporate that into my future cgi sandbox. By the way, doesn't FTP in Rev send passwords in plain text? How do you work around that? sqb I run Rev CGIs on Dreamhost daily. Once you find the culprit you'll have a great time. Have you checked your error.log from the server's logs folder? I write my CGIs in a simple stack I made for doing so, which has a button to upload the script so I take care of several small steps in one click. A few weeks ago I had trouble debugging a script's execution on the server, and added another button that downloads my error.log file and displays its contents - total time-saver, well worth the five minutes to set it up. The truth is out there - you just need to find where it's being reported. :) -- Richard Gaskin -- stephen barncard s a n f r a n c i s c o - - - - - - - - - - - - ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Ubuntu 8.10: headaches and nothing else.
Uh, Richmond, yeah. Oops. Just making up for the fact that half the list calls me Mickey for some reason. I can understand the other half calling me ignorant, but I digress... ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev On Rockets On Dreamhost -FOLLOW UP
Stephen, Yes, I use TextMate and Interarchy. I am uploading a new *ALPHA* copy of RevOnRockets to the web today with the patches and some brand new stuff. As for the presentation, don't blame the video guys. IIRC my machine stopped recording the screen and we lost the screen video (it failed silent argh!) I'll post some more news shortly. Om Shanti andre On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 10:09 PM, Stephen Barncard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As promised, I'm here to report SUCCESS. All the words of wisdom from those of you who have responded have paid off. It appears to be my 'afternoon of assumptions' in which the inter-dependent factors and lack of meaningful error messages I'm allowed to see, conspired to work against me in my quest for rev on the web. 1st mistake.Assuming that ROR had the -ui on each script file. I thought I saw that on a few cgi files I checked in ROR. Not true. The very first one, hello world was missing the all important -ui parameter at the top. So the correct startup should begin with #!./revolution -ui on each cgi file. Strange that this important element was left out in the ROR package, and it was quite emphasized by Andre to be very important. In my case it seems to be fine with an even shorter top line: #!revolution -ui 2nd mistake. Assuming that all the permissions are set. I went over and over again with the Transmit tool and set the permissions of everybody to 755. For some reason it didn't stick. I feel like an idiot. Of course the tech support guy kindly pointed me to the Wickipedia entry for chmod in his response, complete with a dump of all the unchanged permissions in the directory. I'm still waiting to hear from him how I can get better error messages using rev. 3rd mistake. Assuming that the cgi files in ROR have the right line endings. Damn! I really trusted BBEdit to 'know' what to do when saving back to the server after editing.Obviously that didn't work. The line endings to a Linux server need to be LF only. I also assumed the zip package was 'ready to go' in the Linux environment and I carefully FTPd the downloaded zip directly to a remote web folder, then used the shell to go in and unzip, rather than expanding on the Mac desktop (where it was zipped) and using a good FTP client to upload, the line endings would be automatically handled (perhaps Andre even warned about this in his presentation). This is an old habit from installing web apps like Joomla and Gallery. I usually try to expand on the server end. Less time to upload and theoretically less things to go wrong; a package created in situ. Andre, if I guess right, used stuffit on his local mac to make the zip file. And tested it of course by opening it up in a folder, and dropping the files into the excellent Interarchy which of course will handle line endings invisibly. in the BBEdit prefs panel: Text Files : 1. set the checkbox Translate line breaks to TRUE (checked) 2. set the default line breaks to UNIX (LF) One of the main reasons I bought the Vegas Video pack was to see Andre deliver his lesson. What wonderful energy and brilliant ideas. I sure wish the video guys could have included screen shots at the presentation screen on the ROR presentation though. Kinda sad, since we have so much technology about. It really hard to watch anyone standing there with absolutely no breaks in the scene and at the same time not see the stuff he's talking about.I'm glad to have something, but anyway, I got Rev on the web, rev on the web -- stephen barncard s a n f r a n c i s c o - - - - - - - - - - - - ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: variable storage
I did a project awhile ago and also found these properties of an object were also not stored when using the properties of an object: id visited layer armed htmlText I'll add these to Björnke bug report. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Vista external: Progress
Looks cool. I was wondering if you were going to be able to keep fields opaque with the window background transparent. That's something difficult to do in Rev basic-- unless you just want the window to stay a static size. Nice job. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: variable storage
Chipp Walters wrote: I did a project awhile ago and also found these properties of an object were also not stored when using the properties of an object: id visited layer armed htmlText I'll add these to Björnke bug report. Good catch. Thanks for adding those. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Vista external: Progress
I found a bug with Revolution that remove the highest interest of having glassed window: - Setting the opaque of a field to false and the blendlevel to 1 (In order to have the object having the Alpha channel information) lost antialiasing on Vista. This is heavily annoying, so please vote for this bug in order to have it fixed for the next Revolution release. http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=7521 Also, there is this enhancement request that can make the usage of glass window usable easily: http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=7522 The second enhancement request is for removing the needs to set the blendlevel to 1 in order to have objects drawn by Revolution Alpha Blend aware. Please votes for this bug and the enhancement request in order to have beautiful glassy windows :) Regards, Damien Dam-pro, France. Chipp Walters a écrit : Looks cool. I was wondering if you were going to be able to keep fields opaque with the window background transparent. That's something difficult to do in Rev basic-- unless you just want the window to stay a static size. Nice job ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Database Basics
Dear Revolutionaries, I made a sort of flat database with tons of redundancy in HyperCard to track all of the birds I have seen for many years. I love it, but it's time to move it to OSX and make it more efficient. I can easily convert most of the data to comma delimited records like the following with four items to sort: birdname,date,place,notes Abert's Towhee,8/8/1971,Cotton Fields Safford Arizona,scratching in an arroyo Abert's Towhee,10/23/1971,Headlight Pond,mask particularly dark Abert's Towhee,11/27/1971,Verde River,heard only in the mesquite Acorn Woodpecker,12/22/1971,Mount Ord,spectacular sighting American Water Pipit/01/04/1972,Phoenix Sewer Flats,odd he was on a fencepost Band-tailed Pigeon,01,20,1972,Sunset Crater Arizona,high in the ponderosas I'm experienced with revolution and want to make the front end interface using my familiar scripting -- then I can blaze away. But imagine the above list with 17,757 lines. That's how many individual birds I have seen and recorded. The field sorts fast in Rev by item (date, birdname, etc.) in the field but that's about all I can do. I realize belatedly that I don't know how the heck to make this database. I want to filter out all the birds seen in a particular place on a particular date and have that appear somewhere and endless things like that. Is it possible to filter information quickly with 17757 records in a field? I know that's what SQL for (as the backend I think you call it), but does Rev have the power to allow me to stay happily in Rev? Forgive my ignorance on this. I guess you might advise me to learn SQL. If so, then if there is an easy layout or flow chart that might help, that would be great. I tried a couple of the tutorials on SQL available at runrev.com, but remain kind of stuck. What's an easy book perhaps with a simple hands-on project? Thanks Tom ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Database Basics
Hi Tom, I did something with a bird stack about 20 years ago; but, since I wanted to have a picture of each one, I used a separate card for each bird. Only B/W with HC, however. That made sorting and arranging and doing all sorts of things real easy - even for HC; but I don't remember having that many birds. I can see you're not planning anything as elaborate as what I was doing. Of course, I think, many of your observations are for the same bird; just different times and places; so, perhaps, you wouldn't actually need so many cards after all, having multiple entries on many of the cards. Should you take that direction it would be pretty easy to create the stack from the field data you already have from a script. You may want to try that, regardless. Another approach. Good luck, Joe Wilkins On Dec 7, 2008, at 1:37 PM, Tom Cole wrote: Dear Revolutionaries, I made a sort of flat database with tons of redundancy in HyperCard to track all of the birds I have seen for many years. I love it, but it's time to move it to OSX and make it more efficient. I can easily convert most of the data to comma delimited records like the following with four items to sort: birdname,date,place,notes Abert's Towhee,8/8/1971,Cotton Fields Safford Arizona,scratching in an arroyo Abert's Towhee,10/23/1971,Headlight Pond,mask particularly dark Abert's Towhee,11/27/1971,Verde River,heard only in the mesquite Acorn Woodpecker,12/22/1971,Mount Ord,spectacular sighting American Water Pipit/01/04/1972,Phoenix Sewer Flats,odd he was on a fencepost Band-tailed Pigeon,01,20,1972,Sunset Crater Arizona,high in the ponderosas I'm experienced with revolution and want to make the front end interface using my familiar scripting -- then I can blaze away. But imagine the above list with 17,757 lines. That's how many individual birds I have seen and recorded. The field sorts fast in Rev by item (date, birdname, etc.) in the field but that's about all I can do. I realize belatedly that I don't know how the heck to make this database. I want to filter out all the birds seen in a particular place on a particular date and have that appear somewhere and endless things like that. Is it possible to filter information quickly with 17757 records in a field? I know that's what SQL for (as the backend I think you call it), but does Rev have the power to allow me to stay happily in Rev? Forgive my ignorance on this. I guess you might advise me to learn SQL. If so, then if there is an easy layout or flow chart that might help, that would be great. I tried a couple of the tutorials on SQL available at runrev.com, but remain kind of stuck. What's an easy book perhaps with a simple hands-on project? Thanks Tom ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Joe Lewis Wilkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Database Basics
Hi Tom, I made a very simple database example, which you can find in RevOnline, username Mark. It keeps all data in properties. I have also a much more complex version, which has no problems searching for a string in several tens of thousands of records, but I must admit that it takes quite a bit of scripting to keep it speedy. Using MySQL takes this hassle away. The Revolution documentation tells you how to connect to MySQL, but it doesn't tell you how to make correct MySQL syntax. The MySQL tutorial, available in the standard MySQL documentation at www.mysql.com is very useful for starters. Just start reading at the beginning. You'll know enough about MySQL within a few hours. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Dutch forum: http://runrev.info/rrforum Color Converter has been updated! Get it at http://colorconverter.economy-x-talk.com ! On 7 dec 2008, at 22:37, Tom Cole wrote: Dear Revolutionaries, I made a sort of flat database with tons of redundancy in HyperCard to track all of the birds I have seen for many years. I love it, but it's time to move it to OSX and make it more efficient. I can easily convert most of the data to comma delimited records like the following with four items to sort: birdname,date,place,notes Abert's Towhee,8/8/1971,Cotton Fields Safford Arizona,scratching in an arroyo Abert's Towhee,10/23/1971,Headlight Pond,mask particularly dark Abert's Towhee,11/27/1971,Verde River,heard only in the mesquite Acorn Woodpecker,12/22/1971,Mount Ord,spectacular sighting American Water Pipit/01/04/1972,Phoenix Sewer Flats,odd he was on a fencepost Band-tailed Pigeon,01,20,1972,Sunset Crater Arizona,high in the ponderosas I'm experienced with revolution and want to make the front end interface using my familiar scripting -- then I can blaze away. But imagine the above list with 17,757 lines. That's how many individual birds I have seen and recorded. The field sorts fast in Rev by item (date, birdname, etc.) in the field but that's about all I can do. I realize belatedly that I don't know how the heck to make this database. I want to filter out all the birds seen in a particular place on a particular date and have that appear somewhere and endless things like that. Is it possible to filter information quickly with 17757 records in a field? I know that's what SQL for (as the backend I think you call it), but does Rev have the power to allow me to stay happily in Rev? Forgive my ignorance on this. I guess you might advise me to learn SQL. If so, then if there is an easy layout or flow chart that might help, that would be great. I tried a couple of the tutorials on SQL available at runrev.com, but remain kind of stuck. What's an easy book perhaps with a simple hands-on project? Thanks Tom ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: variable storage
Hi Chipp That's funny, for what Object type did you need it? I do get all your examples for a field respectively for a button (htmltext and armed do not exist in every object)? I used this to look them up: put the properties of the mousecontrol into x; put the keys of x into x; sort x; put x Maybe I misunderstood your comment? I also said explicitly that the ID does show up (in the bug), despite it being read only for the tested objects (only editable for images and stacks). have fun Björnke On 7 Dec 2008, at 20:31, Chipp Walters wrote: I did a project awhile ago and also found these properties of an object were also not stored when using the properties of an object: id visited layer armed htmlText I'll add these to Björnke bug report. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: variable storage
Hi Björnke, Awhile back, I wrote a library which enabled the sharing of rev controls from one stack to another over the internet. I sent controls back and forth using the properties function wrapped in XML, and then after 're-making' a control, I compared checksums of the new control with the original, and found they did not match. The listed items mentioned in my previous email had to be removed from the properties of a control so they would match properly. Yes, I did see your ID mention in the bug report. HTH, Chipp ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Database Basics
Hi Tom, Here's my 2 cents on the subject. I'd stick with the one card per record which Joe suggested. But, during runtime, I'd keep the stack with the cards invisible, and pull information into your 'application' stack. The idea being the business logic in the application code in a standalone never changes, but the external database stack does. Keep the data separate from the what you want to do with the data. Another advantage of keeping these two separate is you can later add on a real database like SQLlite, Valentina, or MySQL without having to destroy your 'front end.' You'll find you can quickly mark and sort and collect data from your invisible cards, and assemble the report you want in your application stack. best, Chipp ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Rev Scripting Conferences?
I was just reviewing Jeanne DeVoto's Menu Scripting Conference. Excellent tutorials... I downloaded several of them. Did those ever make it into the 3.0 documentation? I really think they should have... Googling runrev scripting conferences I found them at http://support.runrev.com/scriptingconferences/ Going to support.runrev.com, however, there is no mention or links. (On the Consultants page there is the daughter of that cute girl that used to answer the phones at the old MacWarehouse and MacMall mail order houses, though. ;)) Mark ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev Scripting Conferences?
Mark Swindell wrote: I was just reviewing Jeanne DeVoto's Menu Scripting Conference. Excellent tutorials... I downloaded several of them. Did those ever make it into the 3.0 documentation? I really think they should have... Googling runrev scripting conferences I found them at http://support.runrev.com/scriptingconferences/ For some reason RR removed the link when they revised the site. I put up a clone at my site, with their permission. So there's two, neither obvious. Going to support.runrev.com, however, there is no mention or links. (On the Consultants page there is the daughter of that cute girl that used to answer the phones at the old MacWarehouse and MacMall mail order houses, though. ;)) She's *still* there! I got a catalog last week. She hasn't changed in years. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Ubuntu 8.10: headaches and nothing else.
Mikey-3 wrote: 2) On a client, why is Debian better? For servers, you could make any argument for any distro and I'm sure it would make sense on one level or another, but I'm putting this on my lappie. Its better because you don't have the upgrade/reinstall problem in the same form. The Debian releases are much less frequent. Etch, for instance, has been out for a couple of years. Within a release, you get the apps updated. However, within an Ubuntu release, you are not getting the apps updated, just security fixes. You may feel this doesn't matter, because Ubuntu does a new release every six months or so. But it does, because then you end up in Ubuntu reinstall issues, as Richmond and you have found. Debian is better because you are better off doing one major system upgrade very two or three years, and keeping up to date in the meantime by doing upgrades of the apps on a continuous rolling basis, rather than every six months being faced with the choice to stay with the older releases of the apps, or do a problematic clean reinstall. Its not a sensible way of running a distribution. This is why Warren Woodford took Mepis back to Debian: http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS6170488551.html I would add that when you do want to do a total system upgrade, when Testing is moved to Stable, on Debian, apt-get dist-upgrade does work. Its been properly tested. Its impossible to do proper testing on dist upgrade if you are trying to get it out every six months. And the forums show that. You have the same issue, though on an annual basis not a six month one, with Mandriva, but the nice thing about Mandriva is that if you don't want to do administration from the command line, you almost never have to. For some of us this veiling of the system in gui wizards is a positive disadvantage, but it has the benefit that if you put in Mandriva for someone, and show them the control center, they feel at home right away. And with Mandriva, at least recently, the clean installs of major releases, as long as you have put /home on a separate partition, seem pretty foolproof. Peter -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/-OT--Ubuntu-8.10%3A-headaches-and-nothing-else.-tp20870256p20890510.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
