OT: Newton 2010 bug

[Bernard Devlin]

Thanks Judy.  I was unaware of the 2010 problem too.  It shows
unbelievable lack of vision when the hardware outlasts the software.

I still run a Psion II PDA from about 1985.  It is apparently
indestructible. It has been dropped many times, including several
occasions when it fell out of my bag whilst I was cycling.  I had
several later Psions (3mx, 5mx), but they all died within a few years,
even though they had far less rough treatment.

All my laptops, PCs, Macs are less than 4 years old, and I doubt if I
could count the number of PCs I had since I got that Psion II.  But
the Psion and Newton have kept on going.  In both cases it is a lack
of foresight about date problems that have limited their future
usability.

Bernard

On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 12:29 AM, Judy Perry
 wrote:
> Andre,
>
> See these:
>
> http://myapplenewton.blogspot.com/2009/03/koppen-it-is-possible-to-patch-newton.html
>
> http://newtonpoetry.com/2008/09/10/2010-newtpocalypse-without-an-update/
>
> http://40hz.org/Pages/Newton%20Year%202010%20Problem
>
> So, you might want to get the fix as it looks like it may well exist.  I
> gotta figure out how to get the fix from a modern Mac to my various Newts...
>
> Best,
>
> Judy
>
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Re: Valentina DB 4.1 Introduces Groundbreaking SQL Feature

[David Bovill]

Thanks Lynn / Ruslan - I've been waiting FOREVER for something that properly
handles tree / hierarchical data structures!

I seriously can't believe (ranting slightly) , that this is such a rare
facility in the world of computer languages and databases. Object-like
hierarchical structures are simply everywhere, from the folder structures we
all use, to documents, and the most natural way to describe relationships
between people and things we use in everyday life. And then of course we
have the dreaded XML. I guess it must be harder to implement technically
than you'd figure ( Ruslan you're officially down for a Nobel prize - or at
least a Guiness in this corner of London).

2009/4/21 Ruslan Zasukhin 

>
> NEW COMMANDS looks like this:
>
> vext_recursive_table -- v4.1
>:   {ANCESTORS | BROTHERS | DESCENDANTS} OF vext_root_objects
>[{TO|ON} LEVEL UINT] USING link_name [WITH {ROOT | ROOTS}]


Taken a brief look - my question is regarding networks of nodes (that is
cyclic / acyclic graphs) - searching these / and representing these in
Valentina's object-relational data structures (I'm not a current Valentina
user, so I'm working from memory here).

Essentially the sort of thing I'd like to be able to do is represent object
relationships, as a connected graph, and then have access to fast powerful
data structures that allow me to search that graph from a particular node,
recursively moving from node to node across the graph. This is effectively
searching of hierarchical (tree) data, but more generalised and adds the
danger of (cyclic) recursion type problems? Is this the sort of thing we can
model and do with these new features of Valentina?

NB - getting a bit nerdy - if anyone has a good reference on the topic of
the relationship between hierarchical data (tree-like structures), and
graphs - , I'd buy the book


> You can see that this command can search:
>
> DOWN by recursion starting from a given parent record to find its
> child-records.
> UP by recursion to find parent-records.
> WIDE by recursion to find brother-records.


Shouldn't that be "sister" :)

2009/4/21 Lynn Fredricks 

>2. Any plans to have Valentina support with On-Rev?
>
> Nothing has been decided quite yet, but it should be relatively easy.


Try bribing. Get them on a good day. Send them a bottle of Scotch.
Complementary tickets to England vs Scotland football matches. Marry into
the clan!

RunRev if your listening this has got to be a match? You are aiming to offer
the sort of cutting edge integration of features that other hosting
companies don't, Valentina could do with a good show case of server speed
and build up a user base of people using these advanced features - and us
punters get a more natural mapping of the way we think in terms of objects /
controls and properties to a modern fast database structure that thinks that
way too.
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Re: [OT] Deciding about On-Rev

[Pierre Sahores]

About point 2. :

As long as on-rev give us a total control on both our document-root  
directory and our rev-application's .irev code, why would we need root  
access to a mutualised server ? Just would be an inacceptable security  
hole and the direct way to loose the best sand-box the server  
integrity need.


I have to remember to take time to sign-in ;-)

Just my 2 cts,
--
Pierre Sahores
mobile : 06 03 95 77 70
www.sahores-conseil.com


Le 21 avr. 09 à 02:28, George C Brackett a écrit :

I had a couple of questions that Heather answered, and others may be  
interested:


1.	On-Rev will ultimately include domain registration services, as  
many other hosts do.
2.	On-Rev will NOT offer root access (or near root access using  
sudo) to an account via SSH.


I'm glad to hear the first answer, but not the second.  Still  
thinking...


George

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Re: Valentina DB 4.1 Introduces Groundbreaking SQL Feature

[Brian Yennie]

Ruslan,

Very interesting and congratulations on this new feature! Can you  
comment on how it compares to Oracle's "START WITH ... CONNECT BY"?  
That is the only comparable feature I've seen, and of course requires  
paying a high price for Oracle. Of course now Oracle owns Sun which  
owns MySQL, so who knows where that will go! Maybe they will want to  
acquire Paradigma next =).


- Brian

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Re: Valentina DB 4.1 Introduces Groundbreaking SQL Feature

[Ruslan Zasukhin]

On 4/22/09 1:41 PM, "David Bovill"  wrote:

Hi David,

> Thanks Lynn / Ruslan - I've been waiting FOREVER for something that properly
> handles tree / hierarchical data structures!
> 
> I seriously can't believe (ranting slightly) , that this is such a rare
> facility in the world of computer languages and databases. Object-like
> hierarchical structures are simply everywhere, from the folder structures we
> all use, to documents, and the most natural way to describe relationships
> between people and things we use in everyday life. And then of course we
> have the dreaded XML. I guess it must be harder to implement technically
> than you'd figure ( Ruslan you're officially down for a Nobel prize - or at
> least a Guiness in this corner of London).

Thank you.

Actually this is result of efforts as some of Valentina users, which was
brave enough to DREAM aloud. So our team. Big amount of work in
implementation of this task did Ivan.

 
> 2009/4/21 Ruslan Zasukhin 
> 
>> 
>> NEW COMMANDS looks like this:
>> 
>> vext_recursive_table -- v4.1
>>:   {ANCESTORS | BROTHERS | DESCENDANTS} OF vext_root_objects
>>[{TO|ON} LEVEL UINT] USING link_name [WITH {ROOT | ROOTS}]
> 
> 
> Taken a brief look - my question is regarding networks of nodes (that is
> cyclic / acyclic graphs) - searching these / and representing these in
> Valentina's object-relational data structures (I'm not a current Valentina
> user, so I'm working from memory here).
> 
> Essentially the sort of thing I'd like to be able to do is represent object
> relationships, as a connected graph, and then have access to fast powerful
> data structures that allow me to search that graph from a particular node,
> recursively moving from node to node across the graph. This is effectively
> searching of hierarchical (tree) data, but more generalised and adds the
> danger of (cyclic) recursion type problems? Is this the sort of thing we can
> model and do with these new features of Valentina?

Have you read article, docs, examples deeply?
Please do to not force us repeat them in letters :-)

You can now in Valentina
* specify ONE or SET of root records
using their RecID, ID, some conditions

* find e.g. Descendants (ALL or some)
* filter them by some WHERE conditions.

So in result you get ONE or SET records.


---
Navigation from record to record -- Hmm,
in fact this can do any DB always.
you just establish self-recursive relation on table.

New commands do not need here.



Our commands now work on HIERARCHY. I.e. No circles.

If you need circles, please come to Valentina list,
And we will discuss this step by step.


--
We see yet 2-3 quite big steps with recursion,
For example joins based on recursive links. And other tasks..



-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

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Re: Valentina DB 4.1 Introduces Groundbreaking SQL Feature

[Ruslan Zasukhin]

On 4/22/09 1:52 PM, "Brian Yennie"  wrote:

Hi Brian,

For people who not aware -- Brian Yennie was man, which have push us to
MetaCard, and even better, have help a lots create first Valentina external
for MetaCard. 

:-)

> Very interesting and congratulations on this new feature!

Thank you.

> Can you  comment on how it compares to Oracle's "START WITH ... CONNECT BY"?

I see that this form of existed recursive commands is not considered in our
article



Ivan, I think it needs find some nice example from Oracle with this syntax,
And "convert" it to our syntax.

> That is the only comparable feature I've seen, and of course requires  paying
> a high price for Oracle. Of course now Oracle owns Sun which  owns MySQL, so
> who knows where that will go! Maybe they will want to  acquire Paradigma next
> =).
> 
> - Brian


When Ivan do work on above article, he have check existed solutions for
recursion.

Interesting observation was that they all try resolve only search DOWN by
hierarchy. You will not find talks or examples about search UP and than more
WIDE by hierarchy.


-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]


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Re: [OT] Deciding about On-Rev

[David Bovill]

Can we use ssh to compile and install binaries? I've had to do this a number
of times with my Dreamhost account for instance - mainly to compile command
line programs to be used with (Rev) cgi's. I can;t remember the details -
but I must have used my user account and not sudo / root.

For instance if I were to fully move over Id have 2 command line aplications
i'd want to comile from soure and then I'd need to install MediaWiki - I
should be able to do that with the existing ssh access - no?

2009/4/22 Pierre Sahores 

>
> As long as on-rev give us a total control on both our document-root
> directory and our rev-application's .irev code, why would we need root
> access to a mutualised server ? Just would be an inacceptable security hole
> and the direct way to loose the best sand-box the server integrity need.


So would like to know if there are any limitations regarding ssh access - as
Ill have to decide between Dreamhost and On-Rev - or to keep both :)
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Re: Searching for a tag name in XML

[David Bovill]

2009/4/21 Terry Judd 

> I usually forget revXML and just use replace, itemOffset etc. to parse
> XHTML.


Yes - I've spent ages writing code to do that - but still not got anywhere
regarding nested brackets - or am i missing a trick - actually in this case
it might not be a bad idea - as you rarely have tables within tables - still
could your code handle extracting a table wich may or may not have a number
of tables within it?
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Re: Valentina DB 4.1 Introduces Groundbreaking SQL Feature

[David Bovill]

2009/4/22 Ruslan Zasukhin 

>
> Actually this is result of efforts as some of Valentina users, which was
> brave enough to DREAM aloud. So our team. Big amount of work in
> implementation of this task did Ivan.
>

 Ivan - your the man!

Have you read article, docs, examples deeply?
> Please do to not force us repeat them in letters :-)


Oh go on - just once :) Well maybe those on this list more familiar with
Valentina can help out here? How about this for a coding challenge:

   1. Take one arbitrary XML document - lets say an xHTML source somewhere
   out there on the web
   2. Write some Rev code to parse this and create a Valentina database (or
   can you do this with the XML functions in Valentina?)
   3. Be able to search the xHTML tree (from a given starting point) up,
   down and sideways, for content, node names or attributes.

At the moment we can only search for attributes in XML and loop through
other hierarchical data structures (ie arrays or XML with  our own recursive
algorithms) - having a robust SQL like query language to search and retrieve
data in arbitrary XML documents sounds too good to be true - even if we
can't do cyclical graphs yet :)
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WWW2009 in Madrid

[David Bovill]

So Kevin is speaking now at WWW2009 in Madrid?


Abstract. We propose a new web plugin, enabling content creators to step
> easily to the next level of producing compelling web applications from
> scratch without needing to learn obscure syntax and concepts. The plugin is
> based on the well established Revolution desktop development system, an
> English-like scripting language descended from the HyperCard tradition. The
> same language will run on the server side and on the client side directly
> embedded in HTML and executed as the page is sent or loaded. We will
> demonstrate how to build a web application using a simple simulation
> complete with multimedia, integrated information and embedded Revolution
> tags. We will include details of the public beta program.
>

Hope it will be recorded - would love to see a video.
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Re: [OT] Deciding about On-Rev

[George C Brackett]

Yes, you can.  I can do without sudo/root, but I can't do without SSH  
access.  I've been thinking through what I actually use to manage my  
multiple domains, and command-line access -- to run scripts directly,  
to execute shell commands, to be sure I know for sure the contents of  
any directory, to easily edit such things as .htaccess files and  
other . files, in short, to have Unix/Linux/Darwin available -- is the  
minimum ability I want.


George

On Apr 22, 2009, at 10:14 AM, David Bovill wrote:

Can we use ssh to compile and install binaries? I've had to do this a  
number
of times with my Dreamhost account for instance - mainly to compile  
command
line programs to be used with (Rev) cgi's. I can;t remember the  
details -

but I must have used my user account and not sudo / root.

For instance if I were to fully move over Id have 2 command line  
aplications

i'd want to comile from soure and then I'd need to install MediaWiki - I
should be able to do that with the existing ssh access - no?

2009/4/22 Pierre Sahores 



As long as on-rev give us a total control on both our document-root
directory and our rev-application's .irev code, why would we need root
access to a mutualised server ? Just would be an inacceptable  
security hole
and the direct way to loose the best sand-box the server integrity  
need.



So would like to know if there are any limitations regarding ssh  
access - as

Ill have to decide between Dreamhost and On-Rev - or to keep both :)
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Re: Valentina DB 4.1 Introduces Groundbreaking SQL Feature

[Ruslan Zasukhin]

On 4/22/09 5:33 PM, "David Bovill"  wrote:

Hi David,

>> Actually this is result of efforts as some of Valentina users, which was
>> brave enough to DREAM aloud. So our team. Big amount of work in
>> implementation of this task did Ivan.
> 
>  Ivan - your the man!

Indeed :-)

>> Have you read article, docs, examples deeply?
>> Please do to not force us repeat them in letters :-)
> 
> Oh go on - just once :)

Once is goof enough :)

> Well maybe those on this list more familiar with
> Valentina can help out here? How about this for a coding challenge:
> 
>1. Take one arbitrary XML document - lets say an xHTML source somewhere
>out there on the web
>2. Write some Rev code to parse this and create a Valentina database (or
>can you do this with the XML functions in Valentina?)

No, 

Mapping of any XML document by XSD is on TODO list yet.
Now we can eat only own XML dump.

>3. Be able to search the xHTML tree (from a given starting point) up,
>down and sideways, for content, node names or attributes.
 
> At the moment we can only search for attributes in XML and loop through
> other hierarchical data structures (ie arrays or XML with  our own recursive
> algorithms) - having a robust SQL like query language to search and retrieve
> data in arbitrary XML documents sounds too good to be true - even if we
> can't do cyclical graphs yet :)

I afraid I do not see deeply your idea yet.

What other searches except attributes, you may want to do on such data?

Well, I can guess just analyze data.
And XML here was only container to bring data to DB.
Right?


-
about cyclical graphs

Here important just to be able recognize a circle and stop move by it,
instead keep move down/up?

If yes, then I think this is very easy.

But will be good to hear examples from you on this. And more detailed
explains. 

-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]


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Re: [OT] Deciding about On-Rev

[Robert Brenstein]

On 22.04.09 at 10:59 -0400 George C Brackett apparently wrote:
Yes, you can.  I can do without sudo/root, but I can't do without 
SSH access.  I've been thinking through what I actually use to 
manage my multiple domains, and command-line access -- to run 
scripts directly, to execute shell commands, to be sure I know for 
sure the contents of any directory, to easily edit such things as 
.htaccess files and other . files, in short, to have 
Unix/Linux/Darwin available -- is the minimum ability I want.


George


You can edit .htaccess and other files through cpanel. Not as comfy 
as using the tools you are used to but works.


Robert
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Runrev on the web

[Jim Schaubeck]

Just so I understand, using runrev for applications on the web "requires" us to 
use the runrev service currently priced at 499.00 for life?  I know there are 
ways to do it with CGI's etc (not experienced enough to do that...yet).  What I 
was hoping for (and the reason I upgraded my subsription early) was the promise 
of getting runrev on the web.  After purchasing the early upgrade (my fault for 
not waiting) I learned about "On-Rev".  Don't get me wrong...I like 
RunRev...good stuff...but I use GoDaddy as my provider/hoster and also like 
them.  Is there a way to get runrev on the web without using On-rev?  Can 
someone sent me a link where they are doing that?

As always, thank you folks!!

Jim...
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Re: [OT] Deciding about On-Rev

[George C Brackett]

Thanks -- I didn't know that.
George

On Apr 22, 2009, at 11:31 AM, Robert Brenstein wrote:

On 22.04.09 at 10:59 -0400 George C Brackett apparently wrote:
Yes, you can.  I can do without sudo/root, but I can't do without  
SSH access.  I've been thinking through what I actually use to  
manage my multiple domains, and command-line access -- to run  
scripts directly, to execute shell commands, to be sure I know for  
sure the contents of any directory, to easily edit such things  
as .htaccess files and other . files, in short, to have Unix/Linux/ 
Darwin available -- is the minimum ability I want.


George


You can edit .htaccess and other files through cpanel. Not as comfy as  
using the tools you are used to but works.


Robert
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Re: Runrev on the web

[George C Brackett]

You may be thinking about the Rev plugin, to be introduced in  
September at the Edinburgh conference.  This is a web plugin (like  
Quicktime or Flash) that permits embedding actual Rev stacks in web  
pages.  The current alpha version is already quite capable.  To be  
clear, a user must download and install the free plugin to see the  
output from the stack, but then the experience they get from the stack  
is largely indistinguishable from what they would see from running the  
stack or its standalone on the desktop.  (I'm sure there will be a few  
limitations, but I have run a number of my own little educational  
stacks under the plugin with no problems at all.)


George

On Apr 22, 2009, at 11:43 AM, Jim Schaubeck wrote:

Just so I understand, using runrev for applications on the web  
"requires" us to use the runrev service currently priced at 499.00 for  
life?  I know there are ways to do it with CGI's etc (not experienced  
enough to do that...yet).  What I was hoping for (and the reason I  
upgraded my subsription early) was the promise of getting runrev on  
the web.  After purchasing the early upgrade (my fault for not  
waiting) I learned about "On-Rev".  Don't get me wrong...I like  
RunRev...good stuff...but I use GoDaddy as my provider/hoster and also  
like them.  Is there a way to get runrev on the web without using On- 
rev?  Can someone sent me a link where they are doing that?


As always, thank you folks!!

Jim...
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Re: Valentina DB 4.1 Introduces Groundbreaking SQL Feature

[Bernard Devlin]

I think this might be what you are looking for:

http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=2252

Bernard

On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 3:33 PM, David Bovill  wrote:

> having a robust SQL like query language to search and retrieve
> data in arbitrary XML documents sounds too good to be true - even if we
> can't do cyclical graphs yet :)
>
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Re: [OT] Deciding about On-Rev

[Kevin Miller]

On 22/4/09 16:59, "George C Brackett"  wrote:

> Yes, you can.  I can do without sudo/root, but I can't do without SSH
> access.  I've been thinking through what I actually use to manage my
> multiple domains, and command-line access -- to run scripts directly,
> to execute shell commands, to be sure I know for sure the contents of
> any directory, to easily edit such things as .htaccess files and
> other . files, in short, to have Unix/Linux/Darwin available -- is the
> minimum ability I want.

A little more on this one: its basically about security. We have to
administer the systems via SSH. This means that simply opening SSH to all
users would pose a security risk. Obviously its perfectly possibly to
secure SSH and we want to take the time to make sure that get this right,
providing the functionality that you need, with the security you expect.

We are going to provide a shell experience within the On-Rev client, which
should answer your needs and help provide the complete web- management
experience we're envisaging from the client. However, that's not arrived
yet, and we appreciate that you need server access. Short term we will
provide SSH access on a request basis to customers on an IP address
restricted basis: if you can't live without it, simply drop us a note with
your username and IP address to supp...@on-rev.com and we'll enable SSH for
you.

Longer term expect the On-Rev client to provide shell access. We'll also
keep the option of SSH under review.

Kind regards,

Kevin

Kevin Miller ~ ke...@runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/
Runtime Revolution - User-Centric Development Tools

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Re: Runrev on the web

[Jim Schaubeck]

Thanks George.  That's sounds right.  The September announcement you're
talking about is the reason I updated my subscription.  I also just
registered for the webinar tomorrow for OnRev to get more familiar.  I
did not know about the plugin...that could be challenging but workable.  My 
concern
about OnRev is response time and cost.  Go Daddy is the best I've seen and 
priced well.

Thanks again George

Jim...




From: George C Brackett 
To: How to use Revolution 
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 8:51:01 AM
Subject: Re: Runrev on the web

You may be thinking about the Rev plugin, to be introduced in September at the 
Edinburgh conference.  This is a web plugin (like Quicktime or Flash) that 
permits embedding actual Rev stacks in web pages.  The current alpha version is 
already quite capable.  To be clear, a user must download and install the free 
plugin to see the output from the stack, but then the experience they get from 
the stack is largely indistinguishable from what they would see from running 
the stack or its standalone on the desktop.  (I'm sure there will be a few 
limitations, but I have run a number of my own little educational stacks under 
the plugin with no problems at all.)

George

On Apr 22, 2009, at 11:43 AM, Jim Schaubeck wrote:

Just so I understand, using runrev for applications on the web "requires" us to 
use the runrev service currently priced at 499.00 for life?  I know there are 
ways to do it with CGI's etc (not experienced enough to do that...yet).  What I 
was hoping for (and the reason I upgraded my subsription early) was the promise 
of getting runrev on the web.  After purchasing the early upgrade (my fault for 
not waiting) I learned about "On-Rev".  Don't get me wrong...I like 
RunRev...good stuff...but I use GoDaddy as my provider/hoster and also like 
them.  Is there a way to get runrev on the web without using On-rev?  Can 
someone sent me a link where they are doing that?

As always, thank you folks!!

Jim...
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Re: Runrev on the web

[Andre Garzia]

Jim,
current ways to use revolution on the web and by web I mean on a server to
which a client browser connects are:

*Revolution CGI Engine*: FREE, some people find it awkward to install and
setup but once you do it for the first time it is usually always the same. A
good knowledge of Linux (or any unix) is a big plus since installing it
involves settings permissions, users and maybe hunting for shared libraries.

*Upcomming Revolution Web Plugin:* Like Flash, it will allow stacks to run
inside browser windows. This is very cool and opens up some nice
oportunities but the client must install the plugin which in some cases is
not an option.

*On-Rev:* It is a service that bundles a webhosting package with the new
iRev technology that is like PHP allowing you to mix HTML and Revolution
code together (sounds promiscuous but it is not). You still need to know
HTML/CSS and the other web happy acronyms (JS, XML, AJAX...) to make full
use of it.

You can actually mix all the three technologies together, they complement
each other. On-Rev is a nice deal and believe me, although I too use GoDaddy
for registering my domain, I'd never host it with them. There are better
places to host a domain.

Except for mixing HTML and Revolution together in the same file, you can do
a lot of web stuff with the free cgi engine (aka the engine). I've used it
in many high traffic sites and it never failed me.

I hope this helps

andre

On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Jim Schaubeck wrote:

> Just so I understand, using runrev for applications on the web "requires"
> us to use the runrev service currently priced at 499.00 for life?  I know
> there are ways to do it with CGI's etc (not experienced enough to do
> that...yet).  What I was hoping for (and the reason I upgraded my
> subsription early) was the promise of getting runrev on the web.  After
> purchasing the early upgrade (my fault for not waiting) I learned about
> "On-Rev".  Don't get me wrong...I like RunRev...good stuff...but I use
> GoDaddy as my provider/hoster and also like them.  Is there a way to get
> runrev on the web without using On-rev?  Can someone sent me a link where
> they are doing that?
>
> As always, thank you folks!!
>
> Jim...
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Re: OT: Newton 2010 bug

[Andre Garzia]

Judy,
got the fix.

Koppen made it, it is on his homepage http://40hz.org/Pages/40Hz

He has a lot of new newton software such as a bluetooth stack and RSS
reader.

:D


On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 5:13 AM, Bernard Devlin  wrote:

> Thanks Judy.  I was unaware of the 2010 problem too.  It shows
> unbelievable lack of vision when the hardware outlasts the software.
>
> I still run a Psion II PDA from about 1985.  It is apparently
> indestructible. It has been dropped many times, including several
> occasions when it fell out of my bag whilst I was cycling.  I had
> several later Psions (3mx, 5mx), but they all died within a few years,
> even though they had far less rough treatment.
>
> All my laptops, PCs, Macs are less than 4 years old, and I doubt if I
> could count the number of PCs I had since I got that Psion II.  But
> the Psion and Newton have kept on going.  In both cases it is a lack
> of foresight about date problems that have limited their future
> usability.
>
> Bernard
>
> On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 12:29 AM, Judy Perry
>  wrote:
> > Andre,
> >
> > See these:
> >
> >
> http://myapplenewton.blogspot.com/2009/03/koppen-it-is-possible-to-patch-newton.html
> >
> > http://newtonpoetry.com/2008/09/10/2010-newtpocalypse-without-an-update/
> >
> > http://40hz.org/Pages/Newton%20Year%202010%20Problem
> >
> > So, you might want to get the fix as it looks like it may well exist.  I
> > gotta figure out how to get the fix from a modern Mac to my various
> Newts...
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Judy
> >
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Re: Runrev on the web

[Ian Wood]

As a purely anecdotal bit of evidence, earlier this week I copied two  
of my Drupal-based sites to On-Rev, and am seeing pages load 2-4 times  
faster than they are from the original site which is on shared 1and1  
hosting.
On the other hand I've no idea how much of that difference is down to  
different server locations/not much load on the Rev server just yet  
etc. We'll see how things go with time...


In theory the 1and1 server is in the same country as I am (UK) or at  
worst in Germany (home country of 1and1), while the Rev server is in  
the US.


Ian

On 22 Apr 2009, at 17:11, Jim Schaubeck wrote:


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Re: OT: USED MACs

[Andre Garzia]

My clamshell iBook broke this year after almost 10 years of service.
Something very odd happened, the screen went all rugged and it smells like
vinegar -- I've seen this happening with film in the film school -- I think
the screen film turned into vinegar or something, I had it stored with all
precautions but the lady that works here moved it to a wet place without my
knowledge, when I found it, it was gone... my first mac, so sad.
but my newtons keep going forever!

On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 12:39 AM, Scott Morrow  wrote:

> We run stuff like that ( I have mostly G3 iMacs, and some original,
> indestructible, clamshell iBooks) at my elementary school.  Folks donate or
> we pick them up cheap and keep fixing.  San Francisco is kind of a long
> drive though, even for a Cube and a G3 Wallstreet.   :  )
>
> Scott Morrow
> Elementary Software
> Bellingham, WA (North of Seattle)
>
> ... anybody need a IIfx or 5?
>
>
>
> On Apr 21, 2009, at 5:42 PM, Jim Ault wrote:
>
>  Wonder if there are any schools that are looking for old equipment.. our
>> computer club used to donate old items to the day school and elementary
>> levels whose budgets were non-existent.  Usually some old tech guy was
>> donating his time to keeping repairs and software in useable form.  You
>> know, system 7, 8, 9.
>>
>> PS..  and I am keeping my 128K original.  (OK it has a second floppy
>> drivve and 2 Mb upgrade, so it is souped up)
>>
>> Jim Ault
>> Las Vegas
>>
>> On Apr 21, 2009, at 4:42 PM, stephen barncard wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> but I'm keeping the SE-30.  ha ha
>>>
>>> I don't know if anybody here wants this stuff... but does it hurt to ask?
>>> Pardon me if I've violated some rule
>>>
>>> This collection looks like the history of Apple computer...
>>>
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RE: Text Formatting Workarounds?

[Jim Bufalini]

Hi Scott,

I've been a little backed up in my emails and so just read this and didn't
see any responses. Just to clarify...

Scott Rossi wrote:

> I poked through the mail archives a bit and found a few responses but
> I'm
> still curious: what do folks do to make text display similarly across
> platforms?
> 
> In the past, I always thought it was a simple matter to set the font
> specs
> of the card or stack and have fields inherit the settings, but it seems
> in
> all my 3/3.5 stacks this doesn't work any more.  Rev seems to apply
> formatting based on the platform on which the stack was saved, and then
> promptly loses the specs when the stack is opened on another platform
> (the
> font/size properties read correctly, but the text doesn't display
> correctly,
> often shrinking down to some weird size/font).

I assume by this you mean you are setting the textFont and textSize of the
card in a preOpenCard script to a known existing platform specific font such
as Tahoma for PC and Lucinda Grande for Mac?

> Setting font specs of a field by script doesn't seem to do anything and
> in
> some cases compounds the problem since, for example, attempting to
> change
> the font or size of text will only change the textheight of field,
> positioning the text improperly in the field.

To change up text in a field, are you setting the HTMLText using something
like   or what exactly are you doing?

> Because of the above, I wound up having to format the actual text
> inside the
> fields, as opposed to formatting the fields themselves.  And the
> formatting
> doesn't stick unless there's text in the field so what does one do
> here?  I
> wound up putting space characters in empty fields to hold the
> formatting,
> which is a pretty lousy solution.
> 
> This is ridiculous: it shouldn't be this difficult to format text from
> platform to platform.  What's the secret?

I haven't seen the problem in 3.0 or 3.5, but if you are setting the
textFont and textSize of the CD and experiencing the problem in fields, I'll
see if I can duplicate the issue.

Aloha from Hawaii,

Jim Bufalini

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Re: OT: USED MACs

[Tereza Snyder]

Hi Stephen,

Does one of the Apple][s have an echo ][ speech synthesizer? I will  
pay for the card—and box thinging that comes with it—if it works! Lack  
of an Echo ][ prevents me from playing and recording several years'  
worth of my early work. I have an Apple][ GS but no speech card.


t




On Apr 21, 2009, at 6:42 PM, stephen barncard wrote:

I don't use the old stuff any more but I just rescued several of my  
old macs
from storage, and any list member in San Francisco that wants to  
come over
and adopt, be my guest I'd rather have them loved than go to E- 
waste

ville.
Mac Cube G4 450?mhz
G4 500 mhz with that odd AGP 'Space Blasters' monitor that's powered  
through

the cable
8100 ( with 4 track digidesign pro hardware card, rack and cables )  
and the

software probably works -- probably 16 bit/44.1
9600 (with firewire card and Adobe Premier
the Laptop that came before the Wall Street (forgot the number)
G3 Wall Street with Firewire, USB, and video cardbus adapters
G3 iMac (Purple) AV version (needs new CD drive installed, included)
7100 with Audiomedia Card
Tons of ADB keyboards and mice
Many SCSI cables, SCSI drives, terminations(yuck)
Mac Recorder
A video to SCSI adapter
Nubus 10baseT cards
Mucho software. I had almost everything.

The two 500's (all in one) went to Ewaste a while ago.

for the real hard core gear slut:
2 complete Apple II systems with monitors, drives, and all cards,  
FROB game

development system for Atari VCS
and a box of Documentation including the famous Red Book, Forth (with
software), Sweet 16 docs, blah blah

but I'm keeping the SE-30.  ha ha

I don't know if anybody here wants this stuff... but does it hurt to  
ask?

Pardon me if I've violated some rule

This collection looks like the history of Apple computer...

-
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://barncard.com


2009/4/21 Kay C Lan 




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Re: Runrev on the web

[Bill Marriott]

Hi Jim,

> Just so I understand, using runrev for applications on the web "requires" 
> us to use the runrev service currently priced at 499.00 for life?

No. On-Rev and Revolution Studio/Enterprise/Media at this point are 
completely separate products.

The "Rev on the Web" you are probably thinking of is scheduled for 
Revolution 4.0 in September. This will enable you to put your stacks online 
within a Web page, and it will look and work just like it does on the 
desktop. It does not require the on-Rev service.

on-Rev is a new hosting service with next-generation Revolution server 
scripting built in, plus software which enables you to create, edit, upload, 
manage, inspect and debug your scripts in real-time. It does not require 
Revolution.

If you enjoy using Revolution, you'll probably love on-Rev, though. You'll 
be able to use the language you know to do just about anything you like with 
your Web server. Check out the latest revUp newsletter and attend Thursday's 
seminar for more info.

Newsletter: http://www.runrev.com/newsletter/april/issue69/
Webinar: https://www2.gotomeeting.com/register/974171042

> Is there a way to get runrev on the web without using On-rev?

Yes. Currently, the Web plugin is available for preview and testing by 
people who have registered for our Developers conference in Edinburgh, Sept 
1. That conference is the official kickoff of our new Web technologies and 
the sessions will be designed around getting the most out of them. It will 
likely be our biggest and freshest conference to date... lots of new faces 
and new topics. You can still get 40%+ off registration if you go to

Conference: http://runrevlive.com/09/index.htm

Once your complete registration you'll be given a username and password to 
the Web plugin preview site, which has the pre-beta plugin, several 
examples, and shows you how to use it with your own stacks. 



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Re: Runrev on the web

[Richmond Mathewson]

As far as I understand those of us who paid for early-early registration 
for the September conference should
be getting some sort of version of Revolution 4 as part of the package. 
Personally as someone who will be
going "from zero to hero"; meaning jumping from 2.9 to 4 I am extremely 
excited about the whole thing!


Mind you, looking through the wardrobe the other day I found that all my 
kilt socks are full of holes :)


sincerely, Richmond Mathewson.

Bill Marriott wrote:

Hi Jim,

  
Just so I understand, using runrev for applications on the web "requires" 
us to use the runrev service currently priced at 499.00 for life?



No. On-Rev and Revolution Studio/Enterprise/Media at this point are 
completely separate products.


The "Rev on the Web" you are probably thinking of is scheduled for 
Revolution 4.0 in September. This will enable you to put your stacks online 
within a Web page, and it will look and work just like it does on the 
desktop. It does not require the on-Rev service.


on-Rev is a new hosting service with next-generation Revolution server 
scripting built in, plus software which enables you to create, edit, upload, 
manage, inspect and debug your scripts in real-time. It does not require 
Revolution.


If you enjoy using Revolution, you'll probably love on-Rev, though. You'll 
be able to use the language you know to do just about anything you like with 
your Web server. Check out the latest revUp newsletter and attend Thursday's 
seminar for more info.


Newsletter: http://www.runrev.com/newsletter/april/issue69/
Webinar: https://www2.gotomeeting.com/register/974171042

  

Is there a way to get runrev on the web without using On-rev?



Yes. Currently, the Web plugin is available for preview and testing by 
people who have registered for our Developers conference in Edinburgh, Sept 
1. That conference is the official kickoff of our new Web technologies and 
the sessions will be designed around getting the most out of them. It will 
likely be our biggest and freshest conference to date... lots of new faces 
and new topics. You can still get 40%+ off registration if you go to


Conference: http://runrevlive.com/09/index.htm

Once your complete registration you'll be given a username and password to 
the Web plugin preview site, which has the pre-beta plugin, several 
examples, and shows you how to use it with your own stacks. 




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Re: [OT] Deciding about On-Rev

[George C Brackett]

Thanks so much, Kevin, for taking time out from getting ready for your  
very important opportunity to present at the International World Wide  
Web Conference in Madrid!  I appreciate the time and the thinking, and  
look forward to working with On-Rev.  Break a leg at the Conference!


George

On Apr 22, 2009, at 11:59 AM, Kevin Miller wrote:

On 22/4/09 16:59, "George C Brackett"  wrote:


Yes, you can.  I can do without sudo/root, but I can't do without SSH
access.  I've been thinking through what I actually use to manage my
multiple domains, and command-line access -- to run scripts directly,
to execute shell commands, to be sure I know for sure the contents of
any directory, to easily edit such things as .htaccess files and
other . files, in short, to have Unix/Linux/Darwin available -- is the
minimum ability I want.


A little more on this one: its basically about security. We have to
administer the systems via SSH. This means that simply opening SSH to  
all

users would pose a security risk. Obviously its perfectly possibly to
secure SSH and we want to take the time to make sure that get this  
right,

providing the functionality that you need, with the security you expect.

We are going to provide a shell experience within the On-Rev client,  
which

should answer your needs and help provide the complete web- management
experience we're envisaging from the client. However, that's not arrived
yet, and we appreciate that you need server access. Short term we will
provide SSH access on a request basis to customers on an IP address
restricted basis: if you can't live without it, simply drop us a note  
with
your username and IP address to supp...@on-rev.com and we'll enable  
SSH for

you.

Longer term expect the On-Rev client to provide shell access. We'll also
keep the option of SSH under review.

Kind regards,

Kevin

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Re: Text Formatting Workarounds?

[J. Landman Gay]

Scott Rossi wrote:


In the past, I always thought it was a simple matter to set the font specs
of the card or stack and have fields inherit the settings, but it seems in
all my 3/3.5 stacks this doesn't work any more.  Rev seems to apply
formatting based on the platform on which the stack was saved, and then
promptly loses the specs when the stack is opened on another platform (the
font/size properties read correctly, but the text doesn't display correctly,
often shrinking down to some weird size/font).

Setting font specs of a field by script doesn't seem to do anything and in
some cases compounds the problem since, for example, attempting to change
the font or size of text will only change the textheight of field,
positioning the text improperly in the field.


Like Jim, I meant to answer sooner too, but better late than never...

I don't think anything has changed in 3.0/3.5, but there are some 
general gotchas to be aware of when relying on font inheritance.


If you set the textfont, textstyle, or textsize of a stack (or card), 
fields will inherit those settings provided the field has no other 
formatting of its own. However, if you set the font *style* of a field 
or any text in it, the engine arbitrarily sets the textfont and textsize 
of the whole field to the currently displayed font and size. If you open 
the stack on a different platform, these text settings remain. The only 
way to ensure inheritance is not to set any textstyles on fields or 
individual text runs. (This may also apply to textsize, I can't remember.)


This didn't used to be the case, but was changed years and years ago in 
MC. When I want styled text that still uses inheritance, I save the 
styled htmlText as a custom property and load that when the field is 
displayed. This allows setting a stack-based font and size at startup, 
and the htmltext shows styled text strings without disrupting the 
inherited font.


It isn't pretty, I wish we still had the old way where fonts were not 
dependent on other text settings. One of the other repercussions of this 
is that setting a font for any object (stack, card, field) wipes out 
both the size and styling entirely. It used to be we could set the font 
independently while still retaining current size and styling, but that's 
been long-gone for a while.


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[ANN] First On-Rev based CMS and Blog system available.

[Andre Garzia]

Hi Folks,
I think I am the first to build a simple CMS and Blog around the new On-Rev
technology. You can visit it at:

http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/blog.irev

The system is flat file based, so just by dropping a text file onto a
special folder makes a new page. The system has support for dynamic
sidebars, recent updated page listing and cool stuff such as archiving the
whole running website at runtime and presenting you a fresh copy you can
just deploy.

This is of course free for you all, since you're all marvelous!

:D
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Re: Runrev on the web

[Mark Wieder]

Bill-

Wednesday, April 22, 2009, 11:06:38 AM, you wrote:

> If you enjoy using Revolution, you'll probably love on-Rev, though. You'll
> be able to use the language you know to do just about anything you like with
> your Web server. Check out the latest revUp newsletter and attend Thursday's
> seminar for more info.

> Newsletter: http://www.runrev.com/newsletter/april/issue69/
> Webinar: https://www2.gotomeeting.com/register/974171042

I registered for the webinar, but I found it pretty obnoxious to be
redirected to an ad for on-rev while reading my confirmation info. I
was just thinking about printing it out when it disappeared, never to
be seen again.

-- 
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Table with option menu

[Yves COPPE]

Hello floks,

I have a table dataGrid and a column is made of option menu Btn

I have fld which stores the items of the menu for the option menu

How can I refresh all the btn of the column if I change or add an item  
in my list of items


Thanks


Greetings.

Yves COPPE
yvesco...@skynet.be

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Re: [ANN] First On-Rev based CMS and Blog system available.

[Pierre Sahores]

Realy nice, Andre ! Years before, we went to PHP Blogs and CMS  
stuff... Your demo show us that time is coming to be back to home ;-)


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www.sahores-conseil.com


Le 22 avr. 09 à 22:18, Andre Garzia a écrit :


Hi Folks,
I think I am the first to build a simple CMS and Blog around the new  
On-Rev

technology. You can visit it at:

http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/blog.irev

The system is flat file based, so just by dropping a text file onto a
special folder makes a new page. The system has support for dynamic
sidebars, recent updated page listing and cool stuff such as  
archiving the
whole running website at runtime and presenting you a fresh copy you  
can

just deploy.

This is of course free for you all, since you're all marvelous!

:D
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Re: OT: Newton 2010 bug

[Judy Perry]

Bernard,

Well, but it looks as if the Newton community has engineered a solution. 
If you want I could pass along the subscription info to NewtonTalk...


I got a AA battery cage for I think both the 120 and the 2100 but the 
eMate needs to be plugged in to run... but all 3 still run!


Best,

Judy

On Wed, 22 Apr 2009, Bernard Devlin wrote:


Thanks Judy.  I was unaware of the 2010 problem too.  It shows
unbelievable lack of vision when the hardware outlasts the software.

I still run a Psion II PDA from about 1985.  It is apparently
indestructible. It has been dropped many times, including several
occasions when it fell out of my bag whilst I was cycling.  I had
several later Psions (3mx, 5mx), but they all died within a few years,
even though they had far less rough treatment.

All my laptops, PCs, Macs are less than 4 years old, and I doubt if I
could count the number of PCs I had since I got that Psion II.  But
the Psion and Newton have kept on going.  In both cases it is a lack
of foresight about date problems that have limited their future
usability.

Bernard

On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 12:29 AM, Judy Perry
 wrote:

Andre,

See these:

http://myapplenewton.blogspot.com/2009/03/koppen-it-is-possible-to-patch-newton.html

http://newtonpoetry.com/2008/09/10/2010-newtpocalypse-without-an-update/

http://40hz.org/Pages/Newton%20Year%202010%20Problem

So, you might want to get the fix as it looks like it may well exist.  I
gotta figure out how to get the fix from a modern Mac to my various Newts...

Best,

Judy


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Re: OT: Newton 2010 bug

[Judy Perry]

Andre,

I'm envious ;-)  Gotta get it myself...

Thanks for the link!

Judy

On Wed, 22 Apr 2009, Andre Garzia wrote:


Judy,
got the fix.

Koppen made it, it is on his homepage http://40hz.org/Pages/40Hz

He has a lot of new newton software such as a bluetooth stack and RSS
reader.

:D


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Re: [ANN] First On-Rev based CMS and Blog system available.

[Andre Garzia]

Thanks for the kind words Pierre! I can code really fast when I am doing it
to stay away from PHP. I've been using a PHP CMS and I really don't like it.
The cool thing about this Revolution Demo is that it serves the need of a
basic site and it took like 3 hours or less to code everything including the
template. Now imagine the possibilites of the future...

Cheers
andre

On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 5:47 PM, Pierre Sahores  wrote:

> Realy nice, Andre ! Years before, we went to PHP Blogs and CMS stuff...
> Your demo show us that time is coming to be back to home ;-)
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> Le 22 avr. 09 à 22:18, Andre Garzia a écrit :
>
>  Hi Folks,
>> I think I am the first to build a simple CMS and Blog around the new
>> On-Rev
>> technology. You can visit it at:
>>
>> http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/blog.irev
>>
>> The system is flat file based, so just by dropping a text file onto a
>> special folder makes a new page. The system has support for dynamic
>> sidebars, recent updated page listing and cool stuff such as archiving the
>> whole running website at runtime and presenting you a fresh copy you can
>> just deploy.
>>
>> This is of course free for you all, since you're all marvelous!
>>
>> :D
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Re: Table with option menu

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On Apr 22, 2009, at 4:30 PM, Yves COPPE wrote:


I have a table dataGrid and a column is made of option menu Btn

I have fld which stores the items of the menu for the option menu

How can I refresh all the btn of the column if I change or add an  
item in my list of items


Hi Yves,

You will need to do two things:

1) update the text of the option menu in the column template.
2) Send ResetList to the data grid. ResetList redraws the data grid  
after copying in fresh copies of any templates.


I posted a lesson some example code here:




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Re: [ANN] First On-Rev based CMS and Blog system available.

[runrev260805]

Andre,

thanks for sharing this with us.

Regards,

Matthias

 Original Message 
Subject: [ANN] First On-Rev based CMS and Blog system available. (22-Apr-2009 
22:24)
From:Andre Garzia 
To:  runrev260...@m-r-d.de

> Hi Folks,
> I think I am the first to build a simple CMS and Blog around the new On-Rev
> technology. You can visit it at:
> 
> http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/blog.irev
> 
> The system is flat file based, so just by dropping a text file onto a
> special folder makes a new page. The system has support for dynamic
> sidebars, recent updated page listing and cool stuff such as archiving the
> whole running website at runtime and presenting you a fresh copy you can
> just deploy.
> 
> This is of course free for you all, since you're all marvelous!
> 
> :D
> andre
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Re: Datagrid SetDataOfIndex Error

[Josep]

Hi Trevor,

Yes, this work perfectly. 

I need to perform some operation over some data cols, so what is better, 

use SetDataOfIndex over each value or first make the operations and then
update the entire line with SetDataOfLine?

Salut,
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Re: Datagrid SetDataOfIndex Error

[Trevor DeVore]

On Apr 22, 2009, at 5:43 PM, Josep wrote:


Yes, this work perfectly.

I need to perform some operation over some data cols, so what is  
better,


use SetDataOfIndex over each value or first make the operations and  
then

update the entire line with SetDataOfLine?


SetDataOfIndex and SetDataOfLine actually do the same exact thing,  
just with different targets (index vs. line). If you want to update  
all columns at once you could do this:


put the dgDataOfIndex[ theIndex ] into theArrayA
## update column values in array
-- put "new value" into theArrayA["col 1"]
-- put "new value" into theArrayA["col 2"]

set the dgDataOfIndex[ theIndex ] to theArrayA

The above syntax will update the internal data of the data grid and  
refresh the display.


SetDataOfIndex will not refresh the display. You have to call  
RefreshList.


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Datagrid send focus to a field

[Josep]

Hi list,

I have a trouble with sending the focus to a field. The objective of this
code is move a field text over the datagrid, copy the values from the
datagrid to the field text, make some changes, perform some operations and
update some values into the datagrid. 
When I set the location of the field and send the focus, the field text
don't recive the focus, and I need to click again inside to select the text.
Have the datagrid trapped the focus?

What is wrong? Or other way to do the same better?

Code:

on selectionChanged pHilitedIndex, pPrevHilitedIndex

switch tCol
   case 2
 show fld ftmp
 set the width of fld ftmp to 41
 put 322 into tCoorFila
 add (tLinea-1)*21 to tCoorFila
 put the dgDataOfIndex [ pHilitedIndex ] of me into t_LineData
 
 put t_LineData["Col 2"] into fld ftmp
 
 put the dgVScroll of group "DataGrid" into tScroll
 
 set the location of fld ftmp to 625,tCoorFila-tScroll
 select the text of fld ftmp
 focus on field ftmp
 break
   case X...
   ...
  end switch
end selectionChanged

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Re: Searching for a tag name in XML

[Terry Judd]

David - from memory, I have had to deal with nested tables before (parsing
Flickr pages) and as you point out the replace/itemoffset approach would no
have worked. I think I had to rely on either the formatting of whitespace
within the html or the presence of adjacent tags to do what I wanted.

Terry...


On 23/04/09 12:20 AM, "David Bovill"  wrote:

> 2009/4/21 Terry Judd 
> 
>> I usually forget revXML and just use replace, itemOffset etc. to parse
>> XHTML.
> 
> 
> Yes - I've spent ages writing code to do that - but still not got anywhere
> regarding nested brackets - or am i missing a trick - actually in this case
> it might not be a bad idea - as you rarely have tables within tables - still
> could your code handle extracting a table wich may or may not have a number
> of tables within it?
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Re: Searching for a tag name in XML

[Andre Garzia]

Hello David,
RevXMLGetNamedChildren might help you!

:D
andre

On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 12:20 PM, David Bovill wrote:

> Looks like there is no easy way to search for an XML node? I want to search
> for a "" element in xHTML. I can pull it out by looking for a
> particular value for the param - say border:
>
> put revXMLMatchingNode (treeID, pStartNode, "table", "border", "2", -1)
> into
> foundNode
>
> but given that it may or may not have such parameters:
>
> put revXMLMatchingNode (treeID, pStartNode, "table", "", "", -1) into
> foundNode
>
> does not find anything.
>
> I can of course use built in rev commands to find the tag - but then it is
> not so easy to find the nodes path in the XML tree so I can pull out the
> entire table reliably from the xHTML.
>
> Is there any way to do this?
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Re: [ANN] First On-Rev based CMS and Blog system available.

[Sarah Reichelt]

On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 6:18 AM, Andre Garzia  wrote:
> Hi Folks,
> I think I am the first to build a simple CMS and Blog around the new On-Rev
> technology. You can visit it at:
>
> http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/blog.irev
>
> The system is flat file based, so just by dropping a text file onto a
> special folder makes a new page. The system has support for dynamic
> sidebars, recent updated page listing and cool stuff such as archiving the
> whole running website at runtime and presenting you a fresh copy you can
> just deploy.
>
> This is of course free for you all, since you're all marvelous!


This is awesome Andre - many thanks for making this available. I will
be working my way through it to see how you did what you did as I had
also thought about using text files to create html on the fly.

I hope the on-Rev webinar will be made available for download later. 1
am is a bit to late/early for me during the working week :-(

Cheers,
Sarah
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Re: [ANN] First On-Rev based CMS and Blog system available.

[Brian Yennie]

Andre,

Cool stuff, great to see!


Hi Folks,
I think I am the first to build a simple CMS and Blog around the new  
On-Rev

technology. You can visit it at:

http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/blog.irev

The system is flat file based, so just by dropping a text file onto a
special folder makes a new page. The system has support for dynamic
sidebars, recent updated page listing and cool stuff such as  
archiving the
whole running website at runtime and presenting you a fresh copy you  
can

just deploy.

This is of course free for you all, since you're all marvelous!

:D
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Loading Webpage Fields From Fields From Card

[Warren Kuhl]

I am opening up a internet page using revBrowserOpen. Is it possible to 
load some fields on the internet page from fields on my card? I don't 
need to POST the formjust want to fill out some of the fields.


Is this possible with Revolution Studio?

Thanks,
Warren
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Re: [ANN] First On-Rev based CMS and Blog system available.

[-= JB =-]

Thanks Andre!

It looks really nice.  I recently purchased On-Rev and have never had  
a website
so examples like this are wonderful.  I have downloaded it but need  
to study a

little more to get it working.

Thanks again for cool download.

-=>JB<=-



On Apr 22, 2009, at 1:18 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:


Hi Folks,
I think I am the first to build a simple CMS and Blog around the  
new On-Rev

technology. You can visit it at:

http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/blog.irev

The system is flat file based, so just by dropping a text file onto a
special folder makes a new page. The system has support for dynamic
sidebars, recent updated page listing and cool stuff such as  
archiving the
whole running website at runtime and presenting you a fresh copy  
you can

just deploy.

This is of course free for you all, since you're all marvelous!

:D
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Re: [ANN] First On-Rev based CMS and Blog system available.

[J. Landman Gay]

Andre Garzia wrote:

Hi Folks,
I think I am the first to build a simple CMS and Blog around the new On-Rev
technology. You can visit it at:

http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/blog.irev


That is so amazing! You're a genius, Andre.

It makes my little experiment today look silly, but I was playing around 
this afternoon too:




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Re: [ANN] First On-Rev based CMS and Blog system available.

[Pierre Sahores]

The same there, Andre !

As app's designers, Rev let us think the ways to code without having  
to downsize the creative metamind freedom we need  to ultra poor and  
low level core-coding other environment (PHP, ROR, Java, Rebol, Omnis  
Studio, ToolBook, etc...) needs , is'nt ?


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Le 22 avr. 09 à 23:32, Andre Garzia a écrit :

Thanks for the kind words Pierre! I can code really fast when I am  
doing it
to stay away from PHP. I've been using a PHP CMS and I really don't  
like it.
The cool thing about this Revolution Demo is that it serves the need  
of a
basic site and it took like 3 hours or less to code everything  
including the

template. Now imagine the possibilites of the future...

Cheers
andre

On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 5:47 PM, Pierre Sahores   
wrote:


Realy nice, Andre ! Years before, we went to PHP Blogs and CMS  
stuff...

Your demo show us that time is coming to be back to home ;-)

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Le 22 avr. 09 à 22:18, Andre Garzia a écrit :

Hi Folks,

I think I am the first to build a simple CMS and Blog around the new
On-Rev
technology. You can visit it at:

http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/blog.irev

The system is flat file based, so just by dropping a text file  
onto a

special folder makes a new page. The system has support for dynamic
sidebars, recent updated page listing and cool stuff such as  
archiving the
whole running website at runtime and presenting you a fresh copy  
you can

just deploy.

This is of course free for you all, since you're all marvelous!

:D
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RE: [ANN] First On-Rev based CMS and Blog system available.

[Jim Bufalini]

Jacque wrote:

 
> It makes my little experiment today look silly, but I was playing
> around
> this afternoon too:
> 
> 

Hey Jacque, I threw in some random words and it came out sounding like one
of your answers on the list! So that's how you do it! LOL :-) Seriously,
it's cute. ;-)

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Re: [ANN] First On-Rev based CMS and Blog system available.

[Andre Garzia]

I find it very cute too, I threw some really bad words and it came out very
funny specially because of color red and emotion fear... "my face is red
with fear" sounded sooo emotional! :D
I will use such tool to answer my spams! :D

On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 8:48 PM, Jim Bufalini  wrote:

> Jacque wrote:
>
>
> > It makes my little experiment today look silly, but I was playing
> > around
> > this afternoon too:
> >
> > 
>
> Hey Jacque, I threw in some random words and it came out sounding like one
> of your answers on the list! So that's how you do it! LOL :-) Seriously,
> it's cute. ;-)
>
> Aloha from Hawaii,
>
> Jim Bufalini
>
>
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Re: [ANN] First On-Rev based CMS and Blog system available.

[J. Landman Gay]

Jim Bufalini wrote:

Jacque wrote:

 

It makes my little experiment today look silly, but I was playing
around
this afternoon too:




Hey Jacque, I threw in some random words and it came out sounding like one
of your answers on the list! So that's how you do it! LOL :-) Seriously,
it's cute. ;-)


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Re: [ANN] First On-Rev based CMS and Blog system available.

[Andre Garzia]

Thanks Guys and Gals!!!
This is a quick CMS but it actually works (much to my surprise) and spending
some time with it, I am beginning to really like it, I think I might host my
site with it.

Any feedback you may have, please send it to me for making this better.

Om
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Re: [ANN] First On-Rev based CMS and Blog system available.

[Sarah Reichelt]

On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 9:35 AM, J. Landman Gay
 wrote:
> Andre Garzia wrote:
>>
>> Hi Folks,
>> I think I am the first to build a simple CMS and Blog around the new
>> On-Rev
>> technology. You can visit it at:
>>
>> http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/blog.irev
>
> That is so amazing! You're a genius, Andre.
>
> It makes my little experiment today look silly, but I was playing around
> this afternoon too:
>
> 


ROFL - I love it :-)

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RE: [ANN] First On-Rev based CMS and Blog system available.

[Jim Bufalini]

Andre Garzia wrote:

> ... I threw some really bad words ...

Oh I wouldn't have done that, Andre. Knowing Jacque's capabilities it also
filters for bad words, grabbed your IP, did a DNS lookup, and generated an
automatic complaint email to your ISP with your story as an attachment. ;-)

Aloha from Hawaii,

Jim Bufalini

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Re: Inheritance and Custom Properties

[Dick Kriesel]

On 4/21/09 3:38 AM, "David Bovill"  wrote:

> Actually you don't need to use "do' dick. One of the great things about
> custom properties is that you can do this:
> 
> put "test_Prop" into myCustomPropvar
>> put the myCustomPropvar of btn 1
>> 
> 
> You can also do this with params:  so in Dicks case
> 
> put pCustomPropertySetName & "[" & quote & pCustomPropertyName & quote & "]
>> into myCustomPropvar
>> put the myCustomPropvar of tRevObject into tValue
>> 

The first suggestion works, but not the second.  The second works too after
removing both occurrences of "& quote."

Thanks for the suggestions, David.

The new, improved function follows.

-- Dick


function effectiveValue
pCustomPropertyName,pCustomPropertySetName,pRevObject
   if pCustomPropertySetName is empty then
  put pCustomPropertyName into tProperty
   else
  put pCustomPropertySetName & "[" & pCustomPropertyName & "]" into
tProperty
   end if
   if pRevObject is empty then
  put long id of the target into tRevObject
   else
  put long id of pRevObject into tRevObject
   end if
   lock messages
   repeat until tRevObject is empty
  put the tProperty of tRevObject into tValue
  if tValue is empty then
 if word 1 of tRevObject is "stack" then
delete word 1 to 3 of tRevObject
 else
delete word 1 to 4 of tRevObject
 end if
  else
 exit repeat
  end if
   end repeat
   unlock messages
   return tValue
end effectiveValue



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e: command setthedata in the data grid api

[Sadhu Nadesan]

Aloha, Trevor

Well, I can send you the whole stack, and some sample data and you can 
see what else is going on!?!  But then I'd have to kill you.  Or get an 
NDA.  Ha ha.  Just kidding.  What I mean is, the sample data is all real 
customer data with social security numbers and other confidential info, 
and the application is a 3 tier architecture - rev stack front end, a 
cgi apache middle piece, and a back end SQL database piece, so it 
wouldn't work without all the pieces, and you'd need to be on our 
internal company network or have a VPN connection.  I think what I will 
do is create a simple stack to illustrate the problem.


But then again, maybe it is more straightforward to explain what I am 
trying to do, because, you might have an excellent suggestion and a 
better way!  So here goes.


Goal: delete verified data from the data grid and leave only the error data.

To elaborate, step 1, first the data grid is populated from a spread 
sheet that contains a bunch of info, including names and SSNs and so 
forth, but the source of the data was manual entry and they make 
mistakes.  So we want to find the mistakes. 

Step 2, a verification process runs that performs a number of different 
integrity checks comparing against the data base of record, and color 
codes the data in the grid, depending on if it's close but not exact, 
totally wrong or missing, exactly right, etc.  The kewl thing is that 
thanks to your help the user does not sit there for an undetermined leg 
nth of time watching some spinning wheel or hourglass, they can visually 
see as each integrity check on each cell is performed what color it 
turns, and know how it's progressing along.  Love that.  Scroll into 
view etc.


Next step is manual.  The user has to decide what are the errors that 
need fixing.  For example, there might be a misspelling of a name, the 
correct name is "The Artist Formerly Known As Prince" but the users have 
typed in "TAFKA Prince".  Do we let it go or fix it?


To assist the user in sorting through this data, I'd like a power tool, 
a choice that removes all the lines in the grid that have only valid 
data - only green cells - these cells also have had the token "Verified" 
appended to them (as in the code snippet previously sent).  Once 
distilled down to all errors, the user can manually delete the 
insignificant errors, then go on to the next step of creating a 'data to 
be corrected' report.


So my goal is to build this power tool.

Right now, perhaps due to my fumbling with the API, or not finding an 
example of exactly what would be the best way, I'm doing it like this 
(somewhat over simplified)


Grab all the dgtext of the grid and put it in a container
For each line of the container, if it contains "Verified", delete it
Put the container back as the dgtext of the grid

Now, when I do this without running the integrity checks - meaning, take 
the data out of the grid and then just put it back, it all comes back 
identical to the way it started.  Or if I delete some lines then take it 
out, put it back, again, all is well.


However, after running the verify step (and no mystery, I sent you the 
code), the lines that get back into the grid are split, after each word 
"Verified" a new line starts in the grid, so it appears (not proven) 
that CRs have been inserted.


So back to my question, what is your suggestion of a good way to detect 
lines in the grid that have a certain pattern in one of the cells and 
then delete that line?  I am thinking it would be better to do it in 
place, without taking the data out and putting it back, but I have not 
been able to figure out how yet in just studying the api manual and 
existing examples.


Your input is most appreciated, thank you.

Sadhu






Hi Sadhu,

I don't think that SetDataOfIndex is the culprit here. The relevant  
code for SetDataOfIndex is as follows:


  if pKey is not empty then
 put pValue into sDataArray[pIndex][pKey]
  else
 put pValue into sDataArray[pIndex]
  end if

so the CR must be creeping in somewhere else. What else do you have  
going on?


Regards,

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Re: [ANN] First On-Rev based CMS and Blog system available.

[Kay C Lan]

On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 7:51 AM, Andre Garzia  wrote:

>
> Any feedback you may have, please send it to me for making this better.
>

I'm with -=>JB<=-, I'll be taking it apart until it breaks and then
hopefully putting it back together. First on my list is I notice that on
your Welcome page it says I'm visitor #9875 whilst at the bottom of the page
it says Hit on system: 9876 - it's always one number more. I posted this
here because I know you'll now fix it so if I can't figure it out I can come
back and download your updated work and then see how I should have done it
;-)

Thanks for sharing.
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Re: e: command setthedata in the data grid api

[Trevor DeVore]

On Apr 22, 2009, at 8:55 PM, Sadhu Nadesan wrote:

Well, I can send you the whole stack, and some sample data and you  
can see what else is going on!?!  But then I'd have to kill you.


We will do our best to avoid this. I still haven't been on my BBQ tour  
across the southern U.S. so I'm not ready to go yet.



...

To assist the user in sorting through this data, I'd like a power  
tool, a choice that removes all the lines in the grid that have only  
valid data - only green cells - these cells also have had the token  
"Verified" appended to them (as in the code snippet previously  
sent).  Once distilled down to all errors, the user can manually  
delete the insignificant errors, then go on to the next step of  
creating a 'data to be corrected' report.


Since you have already marked each row in the data grid as verified or  
not you can loop through each index and delete as necessary. Here is  
an example handler that you could put in your data grid script. I  
don't know what the name of the key is that contains the "Verified"  
value but the code below should pretty much do what you want. Each  
time you call DeleteDataOfIndex the index is removed from the internal  
data grid array and the data grid will be updated visually if the  
index is being displayed on screen. Let me know if it works for you.


command FilterMe
lock screen

   ## Loop through all indexes and remove those that are verified.
repeat for each item theIndex in the dgIndexes of me
if GetDataOfIndex(theIndex, "KEY_WITH_VERIFIED_VALUE") is  
"Verified" then

DeleteIndex theIndex
end if
end repeat

unlock screen
end FilterMe


Regards,

--
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
www.bluemangolearning.com-www.screensteps.com
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Re: Datagrid send focus to a field

[Trevor DeVore]

On Apr 22, 2009, at 5:51 PM, Josep wrote:

I have a trouble with sending the focus to a field. The objective of  
this

code is move a field text over the datagrid, copy the values from the
datagrid to the field text, make some changes, perform some  
operations and

update some values into the datagrid.
When I set the location of the field and send the focus, the field  
text
don't recive the focus, and I need to click again inside to select  
the text.

Have the datagrid trapped the focus?

What is wrong? Or other way to do the same better?


The data grid shouldn't be stealing focus on selectionChanged. I just  
created a new data grid and a field named "temp" and added the  
following code to the data grid:


on selectionChanged pHilitedIndex, pPrevHilitedIndex
switch the shiftkey is down
case true
show fld "temp"
put GetDataOfIndex(pHilitedIndex, "col 2") into field  
"Temp"

select text of fld "temp"
focus on field "temp"
break
default
hide field "temp"
end switch
end selectionChanged

When holding the shiftkey down the field appeared, had the correct  
text and had focus. Does this simple example work for you? If so then  
we need to track down what extra steps you are performing that cause  
focus to not go into the field.


By the way, are you just editing text in table cells? If so, would the  
built-in cell editing do what you need?


Regards,

--
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
www.bluemangolearning.com-www.screensteps.com
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Re: [ANN] First On-Rev based CMS and Blog system available.

[Andre Garzia]

There, updated! :D
just summing a plus 1 to the hits() function. Also changed the index page to
reflect that it is a hit count and not a visitor count.

Cheers
andre

On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 11:42 PM, Kay C Lan wrote:

> On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 7:51 AM, Andre Garzia 
> wrote:
>
> >
> > Any feedback you may have, please send it to me for making this better.
> >
>
> I'm with -=>JB<=-, I'll be taking it apart until it breaks and then
> hopefully putting it back together. First on my list is I notice that on
> your Welcome page it says I'm visitor #9875 whilst at the bottom of the
> page
> it says Hit on system: 9876 - it's always one number more. I posted this
> here because I know you'll now fix it so if I can't figure it out I can
> come
> back and download your updated work and then see how I should have done it
> ;-)
>
> Thanks for sharing.
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Re: [ANN] First On-Rev based CMS and Blog system available.

[Chipp Walters]

Andre and Jacque. Both-- very impressive!
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Re: [ANN] First On-Rev based CMS and Blog system available.

[Mark Wieder]

Jim-

Wednesday, April 22, 2009, 5:09:01 PM, you wrote:

> Oh I wouldn't have done that, Andre. Knowing Jacque's capabilities it also
> filters for bad words, grabbed your IP, did a DNS lookup, and generated an
> automatic complaint email to your ISP with your story as an attachment. ;-)

rotfl. Ask Jacque sometime about her bad-word aol filter...

-- 
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 mwie...@ahsoftware.net

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Re: [ANN] First On-Rev based CMS and Blog system available.

[Alex Tweedly]

Andre Garzia wrote:

Hi Folks,
I think I am the first to build a simple CMS and Blog around the new On-Rev
technology. You can visit it at:

http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/blog.irev

The system is flat file based, so just by dropping a text file onto a
special folder makes a new page. The system has support for dynamic
sidebars, recent updated page listing and cool stuff such as archiving the
whole running website at runtime and presenting you a fresh copy you can
just deploy.

This is of course free for you all, since you're all marvelous!

  

Looks really nice - thank you Andre.

Now for a dumb question - is there any suitable (i.e. free, 
downloadable) tool to extract .tar.gz files on Windows ?


-- Alex.

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Re: [ANN] First On-Rev based CMS and Blog system available.

[Jim Ault]

On Apr 22, 2009, at 10:18 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote:

This is of course free for you all, since you're all marvelous!


Looks really nice - thank you Andre.

Now for a dumb question - is there any suitable (i.e. free,  
downloadable) tool to extract .tar.gz files on Windows ?




I found this in Google,
http://peazip.sourceforge.net/

although it is not peakayzip, it looks reliable.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas
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OS X Recent Items

[jim sims]

OS X has the following file that holds information about recent items  
(applications and files)  com.apple.recentitem.plist


An example taken from that .plist file is the following. It refers to  
an image, and what I guess is the path to the icon to that file and  
the pathway to the file itself. At least I hope that is what they are.


If my guess above is correct, can anyone tell me how to convert them  
into text I can use? If they are paths, into a useable path to the file?


Name:
sample_1.jpg

Alias:
< 00c60003  c42cec16 482b  024cc048  
024cc094 c614 517a 0920 fffe    
0001 0010024c c0480002 ed9e0002 ed93 60b7000e 001a000c  
00730061 006d0070 006c0065 005f0031 002e006a 00700067 000f000a  
0004006d 00610069 006e0012 00385573 6572732f 6a696d73 696d732f  
4465736b 746f702f 64617368 626f6172 64735f52 6f737369 20636f70  
792f7361 6d706c65 5f312e6a 70670013 00012f00 00150002 000e >


Icon:
<496d6752 00d4  4642494c 00c8 0002   
 00b80003  c42cec16 482b  5227  
0007fb39 c323 8da2 0920 fffe    
0001 0010 5227 5222 5221 0768000e 00140009  
006a0070 00650067 002e0069 0063006e 0073000f 000a0004 006d0061  
0069006e 00120035 4170706c 69636174 696f6e73 2f507265 76696577  
2e617070 2f436f6e 74656e74 732f5265 736f7572 6365732f 6a706567  
2e69636e 7313 00012f00 >



sims

s...@ezpzapps.com
Skype:   sims.jim
iChat:   techietours
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Re: OS X Recent Items

[Terry Judd]

Jim - are you sure there aren't any bits in that file that look like this...

apps

/Applications/BBEdit Lite 6.1/BBEdit Lite 6.1 
/Applications/Internet Explorer.app
/Applications/Safari.app
/Applications/Netscape.app
/Applications/TextEdit.app
/Applications/Revolution 2.5.1/Revolution.app
/Applications/Mail.app
/Applications/DragThing 4.6.1/DragThing.app
/Volumes/Projects/Current/PVC/Builds/PVC
0.9.5/MacOSX/PVC.app
/Applications/Microsoft Office 2004/Microsoft Word


Or this...

docs

/Volumes/Projects/Current/ATS/ATS inter
presentation/s1w1-4/log_lab1a2.mdhs.unimelb.edu.au.xml
/Volumes/Projects/Current/ATS/ATS inter
presentation/s1w1-4/log_lab1a1.mdhs.unimelb.edu.au.xml
/Volumes/Projects/Current/ATS/ATS inter
presentation/temp.xml

/Users/tezza/Library/Preferences/Explorer/History.html
/Volumes/Projects/Current/ATS/ATS inter
presentation/temp.xml
/Volumes/Projects/Current/ATS/ATS inter
presentation/temp.txt
/Volumes/Projects/Current/ATS/ATS inter
presentation/temp.html
/Volumes/Projects/Current/ATS/ATS_inter
(TAG)/TAG+.rev
/Users/tezza/Library/Mozilla/Profiles/Terry
Judd/ouuygrt4.slt/cookies.txt
/Volumes/Projects/Current/ATS/ATS inter
presentation/ATS_inter.rev


...because they¹re pretty easy to parse. Having said that, these snippets
are out of an old recent items file I had lying about. I couldn¹t locate one
from my current (10.5) system.

Terry...



On 23/04/09 3:32 PM, "jim sims"  wrote:

> OS X has the following file that holds information about recent items
> (applications and files)  com.apple.recentitem.plist
> 
> An example taken from that .plist file is the following. It refers to
> an image, and what I guess is the path to the icon to that file and
> the pathway to the file itself. At least I hope that is what they are.
> 
> If my guess above is correct, can anyone tell me how to convert them
> into text I can use? If they are paths, into a useable path to the file?
> 
> Name:
> sample_1.jpg
> 
> Alias:
> < 00c60003  c42cec16 482b  024cc048
> 024cc094 c614 517a 0920 fffe  
> 0001 0010024c c0480002 ed9e0002 ed93 60b7000e 001a000c
> 00730061 006d0070 006c0065 005f0031 002e006a 00700067 000f000a
> 0004006d 00610069 006e0012 00385573 6572732f 6a696d73 696d732f
> 4465736b 746f702f 64617368 626f6172 64735f52 6f737369 20636f70
> 792f7361 6d706c65 5f312e6a 70670013 00012f00 00150002 000e >
> 
> Icon:
> <496d6752 00d4  4642494c 00c8 0002 
>  00b80003  c42cec16 482b  5227
> 0007fb39 c323 8da2 0920 fffe  
> 0001 0010 5227 5222 5221 0768000e 00140009
> 006a0070 00650067 002e0069 0063006e 0073000f 000a0004 006d0061
> 0069006e 00120035 4170706c 69636174 696f6e73 2f507265 76696577
> 2e617070 2f436f6e 74656e74 732f5265 736f7572 6365732f 6a706567
> 2e69636e 7313 00012f00 >
> 
> 
> sims
> 
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Re: [OT] Opinions about On-Rev

[Alex Tweedly]

I've been trying to use the irev tool "onrev" from Windows. I know it's 
only an alpha, so I won't complain  but I'm not sure whether to 
report problems, or missing (essential) features (or even missing 
"would-be-nice" features).


Anyone know if the should be reported ? if so, where ?

Thanks
-- Alex.
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Re: OS X Recent Items

[Jim Sims]

On Apr 23, 2009, at 7:43 AM, Terry Judd wrote:

Jim - are you sure there aren't any bits in that file that look like  
this...


apps
   
   /Applications/BBEdit Lite 6.1/BBEdit Lite 6.1 
   /Applications/Internet Explorer.app




Thanks for the reply Terry.

That com.apple.recentitem.plist was taken from my Mac 10.5.6 machine.

When I open that file up using the PropertyList Editor, then hit the  
Dump button I get the information copied below.


If I save as XML property list format or ASCII property list format I  
get the same thing. The only other choice is save as Binary serialized  
property list format and that seems a bit unusable.


sims
-


Alias

AADGAAMAxCzsFgAASCsAAkzASAJMwJQA
AMYUUXoACSD//gAA/wABABACTMBI
AALtngAC7ZMAAGC3AA4AGgAMAHMAYQBtAHAAbABlAF8A
MQAuAGoAcABnAA8ACgAEAG0AYQBpAG4AEgA4VXNlcnMv
amltc2ltcy9EZXNrdG9wL2Rhc2hib2FyZHNfUm9zc2kg
Y29weS9zYW1wbGVfMS5qcGcAEwABLwAAFQACAA7//wAA

Icon

SW1nUgAAANQARkJJTMgC
uAADAMQs7BYAAEgrUicAB/s5AADDI42i
AAkg//4AAP8AAQAQAABSJwAAUiIA
AFIhAAAHaAAOABQACQBqAHAAZQBnAC4AaQBjAG4AcwAP
AAoABABtAGEAaQBuABIANUFwcGxpY2F0aW9ucy9QcmV2
aWV3LmFwcC9Db250ZW50cy9SZXNvdXJjZXMvanBlZy5p
Y25zAAATAAEvAP//AAA=

Name
sample_1.jpg

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RE: [ANN] First On-Rev based CMS and Blog system available.

[Jim Bufalini]

Alex Tweedly wrote:

> Now for a dumb question - is there any suitable (i.e. free,
> downloadable) tool to extract .tar.gz files on Windows ?

Try 7-Zip. I use it but don't recall if I used it for tar.gz, but I believe
it handles it.

http://www.7-zip.org/

Aloha from Hawaii,

Jim Bufalini

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