Re: Launch another app from my standalone
Len, Scot, Your amendments/solutions work and what's more I can follow and understand how they work because of the excellent commenting. Rev is a fantastic environment and useful beyond description. The online docs show syntax of statements and lots of other vital info. But, to the novice the docs don't go quite far enough to explain how statements are used. Take the 'launch' doc. The Examples may be enough for the experienced user who knows how to put them into context... launch SimpleText launch /Documents/Projects/test.txt with myApp launch it with (field Application) IMHO in the doc for 'launch', right underneath 'Examples', an additional 'Example in use' would be helpful. Jim's snippet with its comments puts one of the example statements into some context... put the defaultFolder into tOrigDefaultFolder set the defaultFolder to C:\theDirTheExeIsIn -- Put actual dir the exe is in here launch MyProgram.exe -- Put the actual name of the exe here set the defaultFolder to tOrigDefaultFolder -- Puts the defaultFolder back where it was Have some experience with children. The whole 'do as your told thing only lasts' 'till they're about 37! So don't apologise for being gruff. Treating me like a 13 year old worked in this case. Sounds like Scott has plenty of elementary experience too. Many thanks again for all your efforts, Adrian On 31 Aug 2009, at 02:58, Len Morgan wrote: Thank you Scott for stating what I was trying to say far more diplomatically than I could given my mood at the time. Civility rocks! len Scott Morrow wrote: Hello Adrian, I've sort of re-written what Len suggested but without using a separate function or handler. You can just put the whole thing in where you need it. Eventually you may want to break out pieces of your code by using custom functions and commands but this should work. Scott Morrow ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Rev Documentation [WAS: Launch another app from my standalone]
Adrian Williams wrote: IMHO in the doc for 'launch', right underneath 'Examples', an additional 'Example in use' would be helpful. Jim's snippet with its comments puts one of the example statements into some context... put the defaultFolder into tOrigDefaultFolder set the defaultFolder to C:\theDirTheExeIsIn -- Put actual dir the exe is in here launch MyProgram.exe -- Put the actual name of the exe here set the defaultFolder to tOrigDefaultFolder -- Puts the defaultFolder back where it was The problem with the above explanation that the defaultFolder lines have absolutely nothing to do with the launch command. You could have just as easily wanted to launch an app that is relative to a URL which would take another set of chunk explanations that again are totally different and totally unrelated to the launch command. To write such all inclusive documentation for every command would be a daunting task and so verbose that it goes too far the other direction (i.e., so much to read that no one would read any of it). It's a fine line that the documentation writers have to walk. In the future, be sure to look at all the See Also entries in the dictionary and read the WHOLE command description. The See Alsos can often point you in the right direction but also, at least in my case, lead me to learn things I hadn't even thought about before so I end up learning a lot more than if I'd had Scott's example laid out in front of me, took it verbatim, and left. You are suffering from the same problem I know I had and I'm sure a lot of others had: The lack of a good tutorial book on Revolution to get you over the hump when you're new to the language. It's my impression that a large percentage of the current Rev users came from a HyperCard (or one of it's derivatives) background and so they've already been over that hump. The simple terse Rev dictionary format is just fine for them. I remember when I started (from a C/Tcl/Assembly background of MANY years) I couldn't even figure out where to start. The whole concept of passing messages and calling handlers it totally different that the in-line code you'd write in C or Tcl. Once I made that mental leap, things just started falling into place. I still had questions that the documentation didn't answer by that's where this mailing list came in. There was always somebody that could quickly fill in the whole in my knowledge. I believe you can still get Dan Shaefer's (spelling?) book Software at the Speed of Thought which was written around Rev 2.1 I think but it was very helpful in getting me over a lot of the rough spots that the dictionary and user's manual didn't cover (and shouldn't have). There are also a couple of HyperCard/Talk books by Danny Goodman that several people here have recommended. I bought them but haven't really read them so I can't vouch for how helpful they'd be to you. You do have a chance to help out humanity though (well, at least the part of humanity that is struggling to learn Revolution): the user comments at the bottom of the dictionary. They are there for just the same kind of problem you were having, in other words, not quite enough meat around the bone to make it clear. If you feel that something might need more (or better) explaination, add a user comment to enlighten the rest of us. If we all contribute a little here and little there, we should end up with a first class reference that everyone will benefit from. len ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Identity theft on Twitter?
Hi, I'm followed by two accounts on Twitter, names runrev and RunRevLtd. It is not clear whether RunRev Ltd is actually behind these accounts or whether a fan decided to use these names. It seems impossible to figure out who are the owners of these accounts and whether those accounts belong to spammers, criminals or actually to RunRev Ltd. Could someone please tell me whether the runrev and RunRevLtd Twitter accounts are genuine and who are the human beings behind these accounts? No guesses and speculations please. Since the subject is Twitter, let me take the opportunity to tell you that you can follow me on Twitter too. My user name is xTalkProgrammer. When you look at my profile, you can immediately see who the account belongs to (me ;-) ). You can find my Twitter profile at http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com Download Snapper Screen Recorder at http://snapper.economy-x-talk.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Rev Documentation [WAS: Launch another app from my standalone]
Len, Your observations are correct and I already have Dan's Software at the Speed of thought. It's just that I'm an occasional user of Rev; I don't use it anywhere near full-time. Not coming from a HyperCard background does not prepare one for Rev's principles. If there are different ways to achieve the same thing, then let's have some cross-referenced examples. I've seen talk of a 'cookbook' on this list. Perhaps it is time for someone to captalise on that? Like the Internet, when something is too flexible, it's a job to know where to start. Three ways to accomplish a few commonly used tasks may be enough to introduce novices the various processes. Three ways to Launch an application Three ways to Track the path to a file Three ways to... Dans' book, great though it is as a primer, is not as accessible as many 'QuickStart' guidebooks available these days. Peachpit Press (http://www.peachpit.com/imprint/series_detail.aspx?ser=335245 ) does a good job on many topics such as Java for example. HyperCarders must be fewer and fewer as time goes by, so something like that would make Rev far more accessible to newbies. That's my two-penneth for what its worth. As it's Bank Holiday, I'm off to fire up the BBQ. All the best, Adrian __ Club Type http://www.clubtype.co.uk adr...@clubtype.co.uk On 31 Aug 2009, at 13:05, Len Morgan wrote: Adrian Williams wrote: IMHO in the doc for 'launch', right underneath 'Examples', an additional 'Example in use' would be helpful. Jim's snippet with its comments puts one of the example statements into some context... put the defaultFolder into tOrigDefaultFolder set the defaultFolder to C:\theDirTheExeIsIn -- Put actual dir the exe is in here launch MyProgram.exe -- Put the actual name of the exe here set the defaultFolder to tOrigDefaultFolder -- Puts the defaultFolder back where it was The problem with the above explanation that the defaultFolder lines have absolutely nothing to do with the launch command. You could have just as easily wanted to launch an app that is relative to a URL which would take another set of chunk explanations that again are totally different and totally unrelated to the launch command. To write such all inclusive documentation for every command would be a daunting task and so verbose that it goes too far the other direction (i.e., so much to read that no one would read any of it). It's a fine line that the documentation writers have to walk. In the future, be sure to look at all the See Also entries in the dictionary and read the WHOLE command description. The See Alsos can often point you in the right direction but also, at least in my case, lead me to learn things I hadn't even thought about before so I end up learning a lot more than if I'd had Scott's example laid out in front of me, took it verbatim, and left. You are suffering from the same problem I know I had and I'm sure a lot of others had: The lack of a good tutorial book on Revolution to get you over the hump when you're new to the language. It's my impression that a large percentage of the current Rev users came from a HyperCard (or one of it's derivatives) background and so they've already been over that hump. The simple terse Rev dictionary format is just fine for them. I remember when I started (from a C/Tcl/Assembly background of MANY years) I couldn't even figure out where to start. The whole concept of passing messages and calling handlers it totally different that the in-line code you'd write in C or Tcl. Once I made that mental leap, things just started falling into place. I still had questions that the documentation didn't answer by that's where this mailing list came in. There was always somebody that could quickly fill in the whole in my knowledge. I believe you can still get Dan Shaefer's (spelling?) book Software at the Speed of Thought which was written around Rev 2.1 I think but it was very helpful in getting me over a lot of the rough spots that the dictionary and user's manual didn't cover (and shouldn't have). There are also a couple of HyperCard/Talk books by Danny Goodman that several people here have recommended. I bought them but haven't really read them so I can't vouch for how helpful they'd be to you. You do have a chance to help out humanity though (well, at least the part of humanity that is struggling to learn Revolution): the user comments at the bottom of the dictionary. They are there for just the same kind of problem you were having, in other words, not quite enough meat around the bone to make it clear. If you feel that something might need more (or better) explaination, add a user comment to enlighten the rest of us. If we all contribute a little here and little there, we should end up with a first class reference that everyone will benefit from. len
Re: Rev Documentation [WAS: Launch another app from my standalone]
I suspect the easy availability of something like this is what will make or break the wider acceptance of RevMedia. Ian On 31 Aug 2009, at 14:25, Adrian Williams adr...@clubtype.co.uk wrote: I've seen talk of a 'cookbook' on this list. Perhaps it is time for someone to captalise on that? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: How to reliably crash Rev 3.5 and 4.0-dp3 with four script lines
Thank you Wilhelm, From reading this thread, I was able to identify the problem I have been having. Converting images to png and then loading them back into my stack has enabled me to print with high resolution. I was doing something where I enlarged images then printed them with printscale set to .25 - turns out this is not necessary, but, when I was doing that I would get a crash every time with certain images. By saving images as png then bringing them into the stack using the import command, they are working fine. It also turns out that, by doing this, they do not need to be enlarged in order to get high-res printing - but, if you do enlarge them and then print them, they no longer crash RunRev. On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 6:51 AM, David Bovill da...@architex.tv wrote: Thanks for taking the time to post this Wilhelm - a wealth of useful information there that would have taken ages to drill down through bugzilla reports. 2009/8/26 Wilhelm Sanke sa...@hrz.uni-kassel.de Actually you can choose between two four-liners, depending on the specific conditions. First, a few remarks about the context and the circumstances in which such crashes occur: ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Do all things with love ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev Documentation [WAS: Launch another app from my standalone]
I have to say, I think the Revolution documentation is pretty good. Obviously there are many things available in Rev that one forgets if one is not using Rev almost every day. However, whenever I return to using Rev after some weeks away from it, I find that I never spend more than a couple of minutes searching through the dictionary to find what I want. The Dictionary is an extraordinary device for me - it offers complete information, but does so without making me wade through lots of stuff I don't want. People have produced versions of the Dictionary that perform faster or take up less screen space, and they have been welcome additions (although these days I mostly just stick with the ordinary Dictionary). I came from a non-Hypercard background, and when I first started to learn Rev there was only the documentation stacks that come with Rev (there is more now - the User Guide, and the videos). I felt I was really missing something so I bought some hypercard books and they helped a lot. I bought the two volumes of the Danny Goodman book (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Complete-HyperCard-2-2-Handbook/dp/0679791221/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8s=booksqid=1251725810sr=8-3), for about the price it is being sold for on Amazon. I also bought Jeanne Devoto's book on Hyperscript. I don't have the Goodman book any more (I gave it to a friend who I introduced to Rev). And I think that it was the Hyperscript book that was more helpful, but that book doesn't even seem to be available on amazon at all. The Goodman book provided a general overview of the Hypercard/Message path, but once I'd got on top of that, then I found myself referring to the Hyperscript book more. Of course, since those books are quite old and for a very similar but also slightly different tool to Rev, there are some places where they would be misleading to new user to Rev. Does the PDF of the User Guide that comes with Rev not help? I would think that that would serve as a good general introduction/orientation to new users or infrequent users. There are times when I might have been away from Rev for some months, and I would find myself turning to the User Guide in order to remind myself of something (usually to do with custom properties/custom property sets!) The 'cookbook' existed with the Rev documentation from about version 1.1.1 to about 2.7. It wasn't really a list of the many alternative ways to do things, so much as single examples answering questions of the 'how would I do...' variety. I'm not sure it would really benefit new users to have a cookbook that showed several of the many different ways to do things. But maybe the old cookbook ought to be revived. If only because the idea of such easy recipes' shows what can be achieved in Rev. One of the friends I introduced to Rev stopped using after a few months, because she couldn't see how to make any use of it. She ended up choosing Filemaker instead - it seemed that the fact that Filemaker was a more limited/more specific framework for development suited her better. Bernard On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 2:25 PM, Adrian Williamsadr...@clubtype.co.uk wrote: Not coming from a HyperCard background does not prepare one for Rev's principles. If there are different ways to achieve the same thing, then let's have some cross-referenced examples. I've seen talk of a 'cookbook' on this list. Perhaps it is time for someone to captalise on that? Like the Internet, when something is too flexible, it's a job to know where to start. Three ways to accomplish a few commonly used tasks may be enough to introduce novices the various processes. Three ways to Launch an application Three ways to Track the path to a file Three ways to... ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Rev Documentation [WAS: Launch another app from my standalone]
Adrian Williams wrote: Len, Your observations are correct and I already have Dan's Software at the Speed of thought. It's just that I'm an occasional user of Rev; I don't use it anywhere near full-time. Not coming from a HyperCard background does not prepare one for Rev's principles. If there are different ways to achieve the same thing, then let's have some cross-referenced examples. I've seen talk of a 'cookbook' on this list. Perhaps it is time for someone to captalise on that? Like the Internet, when something is too flexible, it's a job to know where to start. Three ways to accomplish a few commonly used tasks may be enough to introduce novices the various processes. Three ways to Launch an application Three ways to Track the path to a file Three ways to... Dans' book, great though it is as a primer, is not as accessible as many 'QuickStart' guidebooks available these days. Peachpit Press (http://www.peachpit.com/imprint/series_detail.aspx?ser=335245 ) does a good job on many topics such as Java for example. HyperCarders must be fewer and fewer as time goes by, so something like that would make Rev far more accessible to newbies. That's my two-penneth for what its worth. As it's Bank Holiday, I'm off to fire up the BBQ. All the best, Adrian __ Club Type http://www.clubtype.co.uk adr...@clubtype.co.uk On 31 Aug 2009, at 13:05, Len Morgan wrote: Adrian Williams wrote: IMHO in the doc for 'launch', right underneath 'Examples', an additional 'Example in use' would be helpful. Jim's snippet with its comments puts one of the example statements into some context... put the defaultFolder into tOrigDefaultFolder set the defaultFolder to C:\theDirTheExeIsIn -- Put actual dir the exe is in here launch MyProgram.exe -- Put the actual name of the exe here set the defaultFolder to tOrigDefaultFolder -- Puts the defaultFolder back where it was The problem with the above explanation that the defaultFolder lines have absolutely nothing to do with the launch command. You could have just as easily wanted to launch an app that is relative to a URL which would take another set of chunk explanations that again are totally different and totally unrelated to the launch command. To write such all inclusive documentation for every command would be a daunting task and so verbose that it goes too far the other direction (i.e., so much to read that no one would read any of it). It's a fine line that the documentation writers have to walk. In the future, be sure to look at all the See Also entries in the dictionary and read the WHOLE command description. The See Alsos can often point you in the right direction but also, at least in my case, lead me to learn things I hadn't even thought about before so I end up learning a lot more than if I'd had Scott's example laid out in front of me, took it verbatim, and left. You are suffering from the same problem I know I had and I'm sure a lot of others had: The lack of a good tutorial book on Revolution to get you over the hump when you're new to the language. It's my impression that a large percentage of the current Rev users came from a HyperCard (or one of it's derivatives) background and so they've already been over that hump. The simple terse Rev dictionary format is just fine for them. I remember when I started (from a C/Tcl/Assembly background of MANY years) I couldn't even figure out where to start. The whole concept of passing messages and calling handlers it totally different that the in-line code you'd write in C or Tcl. Once I made that mental leap, things just started falling into place. I still had questions that the documentation didn't answer by that's where this mailing list came in. There was always somebody that could quickly fill in the whole in my knowledge. I believe you can still get Dan Shaefer's (spelling?) book Software at the Speed of Thought which was written around Rev 2.1 I think but it was very helpful in getting me over a lot of the rough spots that the dictionary and user's manual didn't cover (and shouldn't have). There are also a couple of HyperCard/Talk books by Danny Goodman that several people here have recommended. I bought them but haven't really read them so I can't vouch for how helpful they'd be to you. You do have a chance to help out humanity though (well, at least the part of humanity that is struggling to learn Revolution): the user comments at the bottom of the dictionary. They are there for just the same kind of problem you were having, in other words, not quite enough meat around the bone to make it clear. If you feel that something might need more (or better) explaination, add a user comment to enlighten the rest of us. If we all contribute a little here and little there, we should end up with a first class reference
PreOpenStack in the IDE
I'm pretty sure I asked this question once before, but I've forgotten the answer. As I recall, the PreOpenStack message is not sent if the stack is opened in the IDE, only when opened as a stand alone. Is there a work around, something that will be triggered when opened in the IDE? Jim Hurley ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: PreOpenStack in the IDE
Hi Jim, The preOpenStack message is sent. The startUp message isn't. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com Download Snapper Screen Recorder at http://snapper.economy-x-talk.com On 31 aug 2009, at 20:17, James Hurley wrote: I'm pretty sure I asked this question once before, but I've forgotten the answer. As I recall, the PreOpenStack message is not sent if the stack is opened in the IDE, only when opened as a stand alone. Is there a work around, something that will be triggered when opened in the IDE? Jim Hurley ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev Documentation [WAS: Launch another app from my standalone]
The D/L link is a compressed Help File (fmpro_help) that one can use in a browser. What Help? Well, in this case it is Filemaker. The reason for including it is to illustrate a reasonable approach for new to expert Revolution developers as another way to present Help for Revolution. This is a compiled html file visable in a browser: http://www.fmpsolutions.com/fmpro_help.zip Best, William William Roger Moseid 64 Glenalmond Lane Ladera Ranch, CA 92694 Model Masters b...@fmpsolutions.com sa...@fmpsolutions.com modelmast...@fmpsolutions.com modelmaste...@cox.net 951-970-6271 (Cell) 206-497-2575 (MagicJack - Internet Phone) Best, William William Roger Moseid 64 Glenalmond Lane Ladera Ranch, CA 92694 Model Masters b...@fmpsolutions.com sa...@fmpsolutions.com modelmast...@fmpsolutions.com modelmaste...@cox.net 951-970-6271 (Cell) 206-497-2575 (MagicJack - Internet Phone) __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4385 (20090831) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RevLive Simulcast times
Hi All, Anyone like me who has to juggle time zones to work out when to watch the RevLive sessions, might like to check out http://www.troz.net/onrev/samples/timezones.irev. Select your own time zone in one popup menu button and check the daylight savings checkbox if appropriate. Set the other to Dakar, Casablanca, London, Lisbon, Reykjavík, Tenerife (UTC) with the daylight savings checkbox ticked. This will give you a list of every hour in your day, converted to Edinburgh time. All written in Rev using the On-Rev servers of course :-) Cheers, Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re:Open stack from another stack--Was PreOpenStack in the IDE
Hi Jim, The preOpenStack message is sent. The startUp message isn't. Hi Mark, Thanks. On further testing I see that you are right--generally speaking. My problem is when I attempt to open a stack from a Palette stack with the statement: open stack mystack the stack opens but the PreOpenStack handler is not executed. On the on the other hand, If I open it from Open in the FIle menu, the PreOpenStack is executed. Is there something about opening a stack from another stack that does not trigger the PreOpenStack message? Jim Hurley -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com Download Snapper Screen Recorder at http://snapper.economy-x-talk.com On 31 aug 2009, at 20:17, James Hurley wrote: I'm pretty sure I asked this question once before, but I've forgotten the answer. As I recall, the PreOpenStack message is not sent if the stack is opened in the IDE, only when opened as a stand alone. Is there a work around, something that will be triggered when opened in the IDE? Jim Hurley ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Open stack from another stack--Was PreOpenStack in the IDE
James Hurley wrote: Hi Mark, Thanks. On further testing I see that you are right--generally speaking. My problem is when I attempt to open a stack from a Palette stack with the statement: open stack mystack the stack opens but the PreOpenStack handler is not executed. On the on the other hand, If I open it from Open in the FIle menu, the PreOpenStack is executed. Is there something about opening a stack from another stack that does not trigger the PreOpenStack message? Try using go stack to the stack file name on disk. This should always trigger a preOpenStack. Aloha from Hawaii, Jim Bufalini ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
On-Rev and Daylight Savings Time
Hello everyone, How can I handle daylight savings time in my On-Rev code? We're currently in DST in Montreal. When I type put the long time in Revolution's message box, I get the correct time as 5:52:13 PM but when I ask for the long time in an On-Rev handler I get 4:52:13 PM which is standard time. Getting the correct local time, at least within a half hour, is critical because it is being used to determine the start and end of an online experiment, and I can't have subject submitting form data outside those times. Much obliged, Gregory P.S. I'm using a Mac. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Open stack from another stack--Was PreOpenStack in the IDE
Jim, It appears that neither open stack nor go stack will trigger a PreOpenStack message. I am using as a workaround an open stack and then sending a PreOpenStack message to the stack. Clumsy but it works. Jim Hurley James Hurley wrote: Hi Mark, Thanks. On further testing I see that you are right--generally speaking. My problem is when I attempt to open a stack from a Palette stack with the statement: open stack mystack the stack opens but the PreOpenStack handler is not executed. On the on the other hand, If I open it from Open in the FIle menu, the PreOpenStack is executed. Is there something about opening a stack from another stack that does not trigger the PreOpenStack message? Try using go stack to the stack file name on disk. This should always trigger a preOpenStack. Aloha from Hawaii, Jim Bufalini ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
FYI - NULLs in data to sort
General information, Over the past several months we have noticed that version 3.5 of Rev is much more sensitive to data that contains NULL characters. Several programs that worked well previously, with the same data, broke when using Rev 3.5 - or a standalone made from it. The problem comes when the data is sorted; the sorting drops records. Adding the following line, before the sort, fixes the problem for us: replace NULL with in theData --theData is whatever variable contains the data to be manipulated. We had minor problems with NULLs previously, but 3.5 will drop up to 80% of our data. One way NULLs can get into a database is if Unicode text is copied from another document. Hope this saves you some time. Paul Looney ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: FYI - NULLs in data to sort
Paul Looney wrote: General information, Over the past several months we have noticed that version 3.5 of Rev is much more sensitive to data that contains NULL characters. Would be good to bug report this at the QA Center if you haven't already. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Open stack from another stack--Was PreOpenStack in the IDE
Jim, Hmm... The important part of what I said is not the go or open but using the stack file name as in *go stack C:\MyStack.rev* What version of Rev are you using? Aloha from Hawaii, Jim Bufalini -Original Message- From: use-revolution-boun...@lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of James Hurley Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 12:05 PM To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Subject: Re: Open stack from another stack--Was PreOpenStack in the IDE Jim, It appears that neither open stack nor go stack will trigger a PreOpenStack message. I am using as a workaround an open stack and then sending a PreOpenStack message to the stack. Clumsy but it works. Jim Hurley James Hurley wrote: Hi Mark, Thanks. On further testing I see that you are right--generally speaking. My problem is when I attempt to open a stack from a Palette stack with the statement: open stack mystack the stack opens but the PreOpenStack handler is not executed. On the on the other hand, If I open it from Open in the FIle menu, the PreOpenStack is executed. Is there something about opening a stack from another stack that does not trigger the PreOpenStack message? Try using go stack to the stack file name on disk. This should always trigger a preOpenStack. Aloha from Hawaii, Jim Bufalini ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: On-Rev and Daylight Savings Time
Since you will have a functioning internet connection, the quick answer would be to ping one of the many free time servers out there. Google search and choose the one you like. Jim Ault Las Vegas On Aug 31, 2009, at 2:58 PM, Gregory Lypny wrote: Hello everyone, How can I handle daylight savings time in my On-Rev code? We're currently in DST in Montreal. When I type put the long time in Revolution's message box, I get the correct time as 5:52:13 PM but when I ask for the long time in an On-Rev handler I get 4:52:13 PM which is standard time. Getting the correct local time, at least within a half hour, is critical because it is being used to determine the start and end of an online experiment, and I can't have subject submitting form data outside those times. Much obliged, Gregory P.S. I'm using a Mac. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Jim Ault jimaultw...@yahoo.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: FYI - NULLs in data to sort
Being unable to sort unicode data would indeed be a Very Bad Thing. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com Download Snapper Screen Recorder at http://snapper.economy-x-talk.com On 1 sep 2009, at 00:11, Paul Looney wrote: General information, Over the past several months we have noticed that version 3.5 of Rev is much more sensitive to data that contains NULL characters. Several programs that worked well previously, with the same data, broke when using Rev 3.5 - or a standalone made from it. The problem comes when the data is sorted; the sorting drops records. Adding the following line, before the sort, fixes the problem for us: replace NULL with in theData --theData is whatever variable contains the data to be manipulated. We had minor problems with NULLs previously, but 3.5 will drop up to 80% of our data. One way NULLs can get into a database is if Unicode text is copied from another document. Hope this saves you some time. Paul Looney ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: FYI - NULLs in data to sort
Mark, All of our data is ASCII text - so we don't normally need to deal with Unicode. But we have found one source of NULLs in the data is from people cutting and pasting into the Notes field in some of the programs. I don't know to what extent any of this applies to pure Unicode data. PL On Aug 31, 2009, at 3:22 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote: Being unable to sort unicode data would indeed be a Very Bad Thing. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com Download Snapper Screen Recorder at http://snapper.economy-x-talk.com On 1 sep 2009, at 00:11, Paul Looney wrote: General information, Over the past several months we have noticed that version 3.5 of Rev is much more sensitive to data that contains NULL characters. Several programs that worked well previously, with the same data, broke when using Rev 3.5 - or a standalone made from it. The problem comes when the data is sorted; the sorting drops records. Adding the following line, before the sort, fixes the problem for us: replace NULL with in theData --theData is whatever variable contains the data to be manipulated. We had minor problems with NULLs previously, but 3.5 will drop up to 80% of our data. One way NULLs can get into a database is if Unicode text is copied from another document. Hope this saves you some time. Paul Looney ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Open stack from another stack--Was PreOpenStack in the IDE
Jim, Hmm... The important part of what I said is not the go or open but using the stack file name as in *go stack C:\MyStack.rev* What version of Rev are you using? Jim, I have two stacks: Test1 and Test2 I have a button in Test1 with the handler: on mouseUp go stack /Users/jimhurley/Revolution applications/test2.rev end mouseUp And in the stack script of Test2 I have the handler: on preopenstack beep end preopenstack A click on the button in Test1 does not produce a beep. But the handler in the button: on mouseUp go stack /Users/jimhurley/Revolution applications/test2.rev send preopenstack to stack test2 end mouseUp does produce a beep--not surprisingly. But I am surprised that go stack or open stack do not get me a beep. I am running RR 3.5 on a Mac. Jim Hurley Aloha from Hawaii, Jim Bufalini -Original Message- From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of James Hurley Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 12:05 PM To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Subject: Re: Open stack from another stack--Was PreOpenStack in the IDE Jim, It appears that neither open stack nor go stack will trigger a PreOpenStack message. I am using as a workaround an open stack and then sending a PreOpenStack message to the stack. Clumsy but it works. Jim Hurley James Hurley wrote: Hi Mark, Thanks. On further testing I see that you are right--generally speaking. My problem is when I attempt to open a stack from a Palette stack with the statement: open stack mystack the stack opens but the PreOpenStack handler is not executed. On the on the other hand, If I open it from Open in the FIle menu, the PreOpenStack is executed. Is there something about opening a stack from another stack that does not trigger the PreOpenStack message? Try using go stack to the stack file name on disk. This should always trigger a preOpenStack. Aloha from Hawaii, Jim Bufalini ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Previous message: Open stack from another stack--Was PreOpenStack in the IDE Next message: FYI - NULLs in data to sort Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] More information about the use-revolution mailing list탰ធ쀀 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: FYI - NULLs in data to sort
Jacque, I was waiting a bit to see is others had a similar experience, or additional insight. PL On Aug 31, 2009, at 3:13 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: Paul Looney wrote: General information, Over the past several months we have noticed that version 3.5 of Rev is much more sensitive to data that contains NULL characters. Would be good to bug report this at the QA Center if you haven't already. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: On-Rev and Daylight Savings Time
How can I handle daylight savings time in my On-Rev code? We're currently in DST in Montreal. When I type put the long time in Revolution's message box, I get the correct time as 5:52:13 PM but when I ask for the long time in an On-Rev handler I get 4:52:13 PM which is standard time. The problem is not daylight savings, but that you are getting the time as it is at the On-Rev server, not the time where your computer is. You can use a time conversion function, I have an example here http://www.troz.net/onrev/samples/showscript.irev?showscript=includes/time.irev - check the myTimeFn and adjust the local time zone in the first line to match your time zone, allowing for daylight savings there. Or you could store the time in seconds for the start end of your experiment. When the data gets back to your system, converting it will convert it into your local time zone, and you can validate it there. That won't stop the data being submitted outside the appropriate hours, but you will be able to discard bad entries later. Cheers, Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: On-Rev and Daylight Savings Time
Actually google has a time-thingie on the 'home page' - Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev 2009/8/31 Jim Ault jimaultw...@yahoo.com Since you will have a functioning internet connection, the quick answer would be to ping one of the many free time servers out there. Google search and choose the one you like. Jim Ault Las Vegas On Aug 31, 2009, at 2:58 PM, Gregory Lypny wrote: Hello everyone, How can I handle daylight savings time in my On-Rev code? We're currently in DST in Montreal. When I type put the long time in Revolution's message box, I get the correct time as 5:52:13 PM but when I ask for the long time in an On-Rev handler I get 4:52:13 PM which is standard time. Getting the correct local time, at least within a half hour, is critical because it is being used to determine the start and end of an online experiment, and I can't have subject submitting form data outside those times. Much obliged, Gregory P.S. I'm using a Mac. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Jim Ault jimaultw...@yahoo.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Open stack from another stack--Was PreOpenStack in the IDE
Hey Jim, LOL. Instead of *beep* enter *put The PreOpenStack handler executed* into the preOpenStack handler. This will appear in your message box. ;-) It's too premature for the beep. Aloha from Hawaii, Jim Bufalini -Original Message- From: use-revolution-boun...@lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of James Hurley Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 12:32 PM To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Subject: Re: Open stack from another stack--Was PreOpenStack in the IDE Jim, Hmm... The important part of what I said is not the go or open but using the stack file name as in *go stack C:\MyStack.rev* What version of Rev are you using? Jim, I have two stacks: Test1 and Test2 I have a button in Test1 with the handler: on mouseUp go stack /Users/jimhurley/Revolution applications/test2.rev end mouseUp And in the stack script of Test2 I have the handler: on preopenstack beep end preopenstack A click on the button in Test1 does not produce a beep. But the handler in the button: on mouseUp go stack /Users/jimhurley/Revolution applications/test2.rev send preopenstack to stack test2 end mouseUp does produce a beep--not surprisingly. But I am surprised that go stack or open stack do not get me a beep. I am running RR 3.5 on a Mac. Jim Hurley Aloha from Hawaii, Jim Bufalini -Original Message- From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use- revolution- bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of James Hurley Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 12:05 PM To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Subject: Re: Open stack from another stack--Was PreOpenStack in the IDE Jim, It appears that neither open stack nor go stack will trigger a PreOpenStack message. I am using as a workaround an open stack and then sending a PreOpenStack message to the stack. Clumsy but it works. Jim Hurley James Hurley wrote: Hi Mark, Thanks. On further testing I see that you are right--generally speaking. My problem is when I attempt to open a stack from a Palette stack with the statement: open stack mystack the stack opens but the PreOpenStack handler is not executed. On the on the other hand, If I open it from Open in the FIle menu, the PreOpenStack is executed. Is there something about opening a stack from another stack that does not trigger the PreOpenStack message? Try using go stack to the stack file name on disk. This should always trigger a preOpenStack. Aloha from Hawaii, Jim Bufalini ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Previous message: Open stack from another stack--Was PreOpenStack in the IDE Next message: FYI - NULLs in data to sort Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] More information about the use-revolution mailing list탰ធ쀀 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Beep (was: RE: Open stack from another stack--Was PreOpenStack in the IDE)
You know what? I thought about what I dashed off after I wrote it and thought that's wrong. Beep should work in a preOpenStack. So, I tested it. It doesn't work. In fact, beep doesn't work on my Vista machine in 2.9, 3.0, 3.5 and 4.0, even in a button or from the message box. But, it does work in 2.8.1, in a button and preOpenStack and message box. Can anyone confirm this? Hey Jim, LOL. Instead of *beep* enter *put The PreOpenStack handler executed* into the preOpenStack handler. This will appear in your message box. ;- ) It's too premature for the beep. Aloha from Hawaii, Jim Bufalini -Original Message- From: use-revolution-boun...@lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of James Hurley Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 12:32 PM To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Subject: Re: Open stack from another stack--Was PreOpenStack in the IDE Jim, Hmm... The important part of what I said is not the go or open but using the stack file name as in *go stack C:\MyStack.rev* What version of Rev are you using? Jim, I have two stacks: Test1 and Test2 I have a button in Test1 with the handler: on mouseUp go stack /Users/jimhurley/Revolution applications/test2.rev end mouseUp And in the stack script of Test2 I have the handler: on preopenstack beep end preopenstack A click on the button in Test1 does not produce a beep. But the handler in the button: on mouseUp go stack /Users/jimhurley/Revolution applications/test2.rev send preopenstack to stack test2 end mouseUp does produce a beep--not surprisingly. But I am surprised that go stack or open stack do not get me a beep. I am running RR 3.5 on a Mac. Jim Hurley Aloha from Hawaii, Jim Bufalini -Original Message- From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use- revolution- bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of James Hurley Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 12:05 PM To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Subject: Re: Open stack from another stack--Was PreOpenStack in the IDE Jim, It appears that neither open stack nor go stack will trigger a PreOpenStack message. I am using as a workaround an open stack and then sending a PreOpenStack message to the stack. Clumsy but it works. Jim Hurley James Hurley wrote: Hi Mark, Thanks. On further testing I see that you are right-- generally speaking. My problem is when I attempt to open a stack from a Palette stack with the statement: open stack mystack the stack opens but the PreOpenStack handler is not executed. On the on the other hand, If I open it from Open in the FIle menu, the PreOpenStack is executed. Is there something about opening a stack from another stack that does not trigger the PreOpenStack message? Try using go stack to the stack file name on disk. This should always trigger a preOpenStack. Aloha from Hawaii, Jim Bufalini ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Previous message: Open stack from another stack--Was PreOpenStack in the IDE Next message: FYI - NULLs in data to sort Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] More information about the use-revolution mailing list탰ធ쀀 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Beep (was: RE: Open stack from another stack--Was PreOpenStack in the IDE)
Just tested on XP machines. Beep works in all cases there including preOpenStack which, of course, does execute when opened from another stack. Weird. Aloha from Hawaii, Jim Bufalini You know what? I thought about what I dashed off after I wrote it and thought that's wrong. Beep should work in a preOpenStack. So, I tested it. It doesn't work. In fact, beep doesn't work on my Vista machine in 2.9, 3.0, 3.5 and 4.0, even in a button or from the message box. But, it does work in 2.8.1, in a button and preOpenStack and message box. Can anyone confirm this? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
[OT] Styled Text in iWeb
Hi everyone, Suppose I'm using some iFrame tags in iWeb HTML snippets to display the results of handlers of irev code. Does anyone know what formatting codes I would use to give the text in those frames the same style as that of the default Text Boxes for the particular iWeb theme being used? Regards, Gregory ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Styled Text in iWeb
On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 10:27 AM, Gregory Lypnygregory.ly...@videotron.ca wrote: Hi everyone, Suppose I'm using some iFrame tags in iWeb HTML snippets to display the results of handlers of irev code. Does anyone know what formatting codes I would use to give the text in those frames the same style as that of the default Text Boxes for the particular iWeb theme being used? You'll need to look at the source of the page produced by iWeb and find a section that is formatted the way you want. It may just be enclosed in tags that take their default format from the style sheet, in which case you just need to apply those tags. Or it may be set to a particular style, in which case you need to apply that style as well. e.g. if you find a section you want to copy looks like this: pHere is some text/p Then you just need to start your text with p and end it with /p The 'p' could be anything, representing any type of tag. If you find a section you want to copy looks like any of these: div class=textboxHere is some text/div span class=textboxHere is some text/span div style=font-family: serifHere is some text/div Then you need to surround your text with the appropriate tags, not forgetting to insert the quotes as required. Cheers, Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: On-Rev and Daylight Savings Time
I believe the servers for on-rev are in Texas so I think that is where you are getting the 4:52 from. It will be consistent with texas time so you can add or take away from that. HTHs Tom McGrath III Lazy River Software 3mcgr...@comcast.net iTunes Library Suite - libITS Information and download can be found on this page: http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/RevOne.html On Aug 31, 2009, at 5:58 PM, Gregory Lypny wrote: Hello everyone, How can I handle daylight savings time in my On-Rev code? We're currently in DST in Montreal. When I type put the long time in Revolution's message box, I get the correct time as 5:52:13 PM but when I ask for the long time in an On-Rev handler I get 4:52:13 PM which is standard time. Getting the correct local time, at least within a half hour, is critical because it is being used to determine the start and end of an online experiment, and I can't have subject submitting form data outside those times. Much obliged, Gregory P.S. I'm using a Mac. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev Documentation [WAS: Launch another app from my standalone]
Adrian Williams wrote: Dans' book, great though it is as a primer, is not as accessible as many 'QuickStart' guidebooks available these days. I wouldn't expect too much from a Quick Start Guide to Piloting the Space Shuttle. Complicated topics are hard condense down into a Quick Start. As I think Jim mentioned, authors have to write to an audience. I don't think it's possible to write a book that can be useful to a rank beginner AND a programming professional. They are different audiences with different needs and have to be spoken to in different ways. What would be cool would be some sort of online documentation resource that had an I Get It scrollbar that would show or hide more or less detail depending on whether it's on the Beginner or Expert end. While were at it, we could have platform buttons so if you only really cared about Windows, you wouldn't see OS X and Linux examples (where they are different). There might be an indication that there ARE other things available there (or not) but you wouldn't have to look at it if you didn't want to. I'll probably start working on such a program since now that I think about it, it's a pretty cool idea. The hard part of course is creating and maintaining the content. I'll do the easy part of creating the program and then we can all pitch in and create content. len morgan ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
On-Rev and Daylight Savings Time (Addendum)
Just a little more detail on my previous post. Would appreciate anyone confirming that iRev does not adjust for local Daylight Savings Time or I've misunderstood something because this has the potential to really mess up my work if I get it wrong. There's a difference of one hour as this code in iRev ?rev put the seconds /br convert the seconds to dateItems put it /br put the long time ? returns 1251773601 2009,8,31,21,53,21,2 9:53:21 PM and the equivalent handler in Revolution put the seconds convert the seconds to dateItems put return it after msg put return the long time after msg run three seconds later, returns 1251773604 2009,8,31,22,53,24,2 10:53:24 PM Sigh, Gregory Frustrated in Montreal (DST) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: On-Rev and Daylight Savings Time (Addendum)
On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Gregory Lypnygregory.ly...@videotron.ca wrote: Just a little more detail on my previous post. Would appreciate anyone confirming that iRev does not adjust for local Daylight Savings Time or I've misunderstood something because this has the potential to really mess up my work if I get it wrong. There's a difference of one hour as this code in iRev ?rev put the seconds /br convert the seconds to dateItems put it /br put the long time ? returns 1251773601 2009,8,31,21,53,21,2 9:53:21 PM and the equivalent handler in Revolution put the seconds convert the seconds to dateItems put return it after msg put return the long time after msg run three seconds later, returns 1251773604 2009,8,31,22,53,24,2 10:53:24 PM It really isn't a daylight savings issue. The difference is that when you use iRev, the computer that is getting the time is physically in Texas, so you are getting Texan time, not Montreal time. The fact that this is exactly 1 hour different to yours is throwing you off the track. In fact both Montreal Texas are on daylight savings time at the moment, as far as I can see. the seconds records any instant in time as the same number, regardless of where the computer is, but when that number is converted, the time zone of the computer doing the conversion is taken into account. This is why your computer gives a different result to the server computer in Texas. As a test, get the internet date on both your computer and from an iRev script. The last word of this gives the time zone of the computer reporting the time and in your case it should be -0400, while the iRev script should give -0500 (or -0500 -0600 after daylight savings time stops). These can be used to do a conversion to your local time. Cheers, Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Styled Text in iWeb
Thanks again for the heads up, Sarah. I had started cutting and pasting bits of source code from text boxes but was probably taking the wrong stuff. I'll take a stab at the tags you've suggested below. Regards, Gregory On 31-Aug-09, at 11:25 PM, use-revolution-requ...@lists.runrev.com wrote: You'll need to look at the source of the page produced by iWeb and find a section that is formatted the way you want. It may just be enclosed in tags that take their default format from the style sheet, in which case you just need to apply those tags. Or it may be set to a particular style, in which case you need to apply that style as well. e.g. if you find a section you want to copy looks like this: pHere is some text/p Then you just need to start your text with p and end it with / p The 'p' could be anything, representing any type of tag. If you find a section you want to copy looks like any of these: div class=textboxHere is some text/div span class=textboxHere is some text/span div style=font-family: serifHere is some text/div Then you need to surround your text with the appropriate tags, not forgetting to insert the quotes as required. Cheers, Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: On-Rev and Daylight Savings Time (Addendum)
Caution: You can change the time that Rev (or any program) gets on your computer by simply setting your computer clock to anything you like. The same thing can happen on any computer or server. Just ask a large company that has servers in different cities and countries. The key to iRev servers is that they are probably extremely stable and constantly updated to one of the atomic clock sites. One issue of daylight savings (especially in the state of Indiana) is that some counties will change their clocks and others will not. Another issue is that the last daylight savings change in the Spring was done one week later in the UK than in the US. The result was two time changes 7 days apart. A computer program running on a processor can have functions that ask the processor for date and time info, but daylight savings changes are external to the processor. If you write a function that gets the seconds at midnight each day, then see if it is 24.0 hours after the previous midnight, you know the processor has not changed the time zone or time shift in its control panel settings. If you have a local processor and one at iRev, you need to track this for each processor and maintain the correct offset ( +1, -1, 0 ). You might want to study GMT options and use one of those. Hope this helps. Jim Ault On Aug 31, 2009, at 8:07 PM, Gregory Lypny wrote: Just a little more detail on my previous post. Would appreciate anyone confirming that iRev does not adjust for local Daylight Savings Time or I've misunderstood something because this has the potential to really mess up my work if I get it wrong. There's a difference of one hour as this code in iRev ?rev put the seconds /br convert the seconds to dateItems put it /br put the long time ? returns 1251773601 2009,8,31,21,53,21,2 9:53:21 PM and the equivalent handler in Revolution put the seconds convert the seconds to dateItems put return it after msg put return the long time after msg run three seconds later, returns 1251773604 2009,8,31,22,53,24,2 10:53:24 PM Sigh, Gregory Frustrated in Montreal (DST) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Jim Ault jimaultw...@yahoo.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: On-Rev and Daylight Savings Time
Thank you Sarah, Jim, Stephan, and Thomas! Dang, Texas. Birthplace of Buddy Holly and Collings guitars, and a one-hour time difference from Montreal, which appeared to my deceived eyes (as so aptly pointed out by Sarah) as the lack of adjustment for DST. Can be fixed. Regards, Gregory ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
