Re: Looking for a defined path to learn Rev (for new users)
Le 17 nov. 09 à 21:22, Alejandro Tejada a écrit : This training should be offered in teacher's native language. Although, revTalk should be keep as an English-like programming language, without trying to translate commands, functions, handlers, messages and tokens to another languages. (Different of Apple Computer, that actually localized HyperTalk to many languages) It was not a good thing (the translation of HyperCard), the difference between me (french) and an english or american that's RevTalk is not english language but programming language and it is an advantage that RevTalk is not in french, there is no (almost) confusion between RevTalk (command, functions, etc.) and my part of code.. Thanks in advance for your comments! For the rest I have no comment, I am a curious guy and I have a little trouble understanding people who lack curiosity... I started with HyperCard in 1987 and gradually I made progress, it took time because it's not my job (and I have neither received any training in computers or programming), but satisfaction is so great when you reach the goal you had set (even if the first solution found is not the best). Bons souvenirs de Paris René ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev Studio 4.0
Le 17 nov. 09 à 21:43, Mikey a écrit : In the RR folder for the 4.0 version there are the following files: Engine Change Log IDE Change Log and Read_Me_First Than you very much, Usually we are too inclined to ignore these small text files... Bons souvenirs de Paris René ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
MacUpdate VersionTracker
MacUpdate had RevMedia today: edition number and price (free) exactly right. VersionTracker (Mac) had 'Revolution 4' described as an update, and further details yields a price of $249. For some funny reason nothing shows up in VersionTracker (Windows). Getting there; although that $249 is going to turn off the let's fiddle around for a bit and see what it is crowd pretty effectively. Should have RevMedia in the list rather than Studio. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Multitouch
Le 18 nov. 09 à 18:51, Robert Man a écrit : I personnaly do not think it is so important for apps, Hello ! That depends on what applications they are. For my part, I create music applications (for my own use) and my goal is to control actions on a touch screen (for now I use a pen) ... A bit like Lemur (french guys) : http://www.jazzmutant.com/ Bons souvenirs de Paris René ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Multitouch
Hello Richard, I added 5 votes... Bons souvenirs de Paris René Le 18 nov. 09 à 19:50, Richard Gaskin a écrit : Jim Bufalini wrote: I submitted a proposal for it to the improve-list a couple weeks ago. Number of replies: 0. I just searched my email client for the word multitouch on the Improve List and came up with 0 hits. Could this be why you got 0 replies? ;-) It's in the list archives so it seems to have gone through. It was part of a discussion on group scrolling; not sure if I used the work multitouch per se, but searching for any of the words in my earlier post should bring it up. It was sent 1 November. I just submitted a request in the RQCC for this: http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=8446 Feel free to help flesh out the proposed ideas there. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Looking for a defined path to learn Rev (for new users)
René Micout rene.mic...@numericable.com wrote: I started with HyperCard in 1987 and gradually I made progress, it took time because it's not my job (and I have neither received any training in computers or programming), but satisfaction is so great when you reach the goal you had set (even if the first solution found is not the best). C'est un peu pareil pour moi :-) je suis enfin arrivé à installer SheepShaver*, et j'ai redécouvert des piles HC que j'avais écrites en ... 1989 (bon anniversaire !) So me too :-) I installed at least SheepShaver*, and rediscovered also stacks I wrote back to ... 1989 (good anniversary!) * c'était pas de la tarte, et ça fonctionne couci-couça * not very easy, it works not very well ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Is it possible to choose cards at random
Hi there, I got a stack with 10 cards and want to dynamically change the order of the cards. Is it possible to choose 'on mouseup' a card at random? greetings, William ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Is it possible to choose cards at random
Hoi William, go any cd go any cd of this stack put the id of any cd of this stack into x etc. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer Download Strõm Flow Chart Software http://flowproject.economy-x-talk.com Op 19 nov 2009, om 14:19 heeft William de Smet het volgende geschreven: Hi there, I got a stack with 10 cards and want to dynamically change the order of the cards. Is it possible to choose 'on mouseup' a card at random? greetings, William ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Looking for a defined path to learn Rev (for new users)
Dear Alejandro, It seems to me that your are trying to lead horses to water, who are neither thirsty nor want to drink. ;-) But you raise an interesting point. We talk about the world embracing revTalk and revlets because the language is so easy. And, indeed it is. But, when I think back to when I first found rev, the major paradigm shift was not the language, but the concept of stacks and cards and how this equated to a windowed GUI. And, had I not had 15 years of extensive programming experience in another rev, called Revelation, which is PICK on the PC and which is very, very similar to rev in that it is a scripting language with chunks, no variable typing, compiling is at the individual script level, so you run and program at the same time, and many, many other similarities, I would have also probably had to go through a paradigm shift with the concept of chunks and where to put or organize scripts. So, assuming there are programmers who know how to program in other more traditional programming languages, it's not the revTalk language itself that is the major barrier. It's not a great leap to move from using equal signs for variable assignment to using put, or using is instead of a double equal sign. And certainly not having to use line ending characters like semicolons or bracketing blocks of code using curly brackets is freeing and a no brainer to embrace. The leap is in the structure and not the language. So while I think your course outline rightfully starts out with stacks and cards, I think, more than how to create, the focus in the beginning needs to be on the theory of stacks and cards and how these equate to the structures they are already familiar with. Next, needs to be the theory of chunks and variables and then followed by theory of scripting and where to place blocks of code and what makes this all work or ties it all together, which is the message path. Also, before you get into objects you need o cover the theory behind commands and functions and how, in general, scripts are organized. I think without making this paradigm shift first, a programmer used to top down or OOP programming will just feel like a stranger in a strange land and will not hear your lessons on buttons and fields because he will be sitting there still trying to get his bearings. So, I think you need focus on the lay of the land first. Once a programmer has this down pat, the rest is easy and almost doesn't have to be taught because there is so much documentation that can easily be looked up for syntax and details. Also, you don't have to write all of this from scratch. Much of it is already available and just needs to be pieced together for your particular audience. As I say, you raise an interesting point, because this applies to not just your fellow teachers, but all those we expect to embrace revlets and revTalk. Aloha from Hawaii, Jim Bufalini Alejandro Tejada wrote: Previously, i have wrote about my fellow teachers that i have invited to use RevMedia in their classes. If you read those comments, you had learn that they expect to receive training from the source, from Runrev, not unlike Microsoft and Adobe offers with their certification programs. The idea of learning on their own, do not attract too many of them. I know that this is the result of previous experiences in trainings for other softwares. This training should be offered in teacher's native language. Although, revTalk should be keep as an English-like programming language, without trying to translate commands, functions, handlers, messages and tokens to another languages. (Different of Apple Computer, that actually localized HyperTalk to many languages) These teachers actually want that RevMedia, have an interface more similar to Office programs like Word or PowerPoint. The idea of scripting visual effects for transitions from a card to another, or hiding or showing a control seems so alien to them, that i suspect that this useful feature (for their specific kind of work), would be underutilized or unused at all. Now, i am looking for comments about this idea: To make easier for Teachers (or users), to know in which level of expertise they stand, divide clearly the learning experience in different levels, just like HyperCard do. The following paragraph was copied from this page: http://www.mactech.com/articles/mactech/Vol.03/03.10/HyperCardProgrammi ng/index.html There are 5 user levels within Hypercard. The top most level, and easiest to use, is Browsing. This allows the user to navigate through Stacks and look at information but not to add or modify it. (My comment: Given that Rev is multiplatform, i should add another ability to this level that should be carried to others levels: The ability of making clear and understable reports of failures or malfunction of stacks to their authors, using screenshots and written reports. This is really important and should be so easy, that do
get the color of this card at x,y
I am looking for a function that does something like this: get the color of this card at x,y and I would expect it to contain r,g,b I have searched through the Revolution Dictionary, and the best I can find is mouseColor. This has the undesirable effect of having to move the mouse to the point I am checking, and the possibility that the user is jerking the mouse and I get the wrong color. Any ideas on how to accomplish this would be appreciated.___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: get the color of this card at x,y
On Thu Nov 19, Generic Email generic.email.30022 at gmail.com wrote: I am looking for a function that does something like this: get the color of this card at x,y and I would expect it to contain r,g,b I have searched through the Revolution Dictionary, and the best I can find is mouseColor. This has the undesirable effect of having to move the mouse to the point I am checking, and the possibility that the user is jerking the mouse and I get the wrong color. Any ideas on how to accomplish this would be appreciated. click at x,y put the mousecolor Regards, Wilhelm Sanke http://www.sanke.org/MetaMedia ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Looking for a defined path to learn Rev (for new users)
Hello ! I read that the implementation of SheepSaver was tricky... What about that ? René Bonjour, J'ai lu que la mise en œuvre de SheepSaver était délicate... Qu'en est-il exactement ? René Le 19 nov. 09 à 14:04, Dom a écrit : I installed at least SheepShaver* ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: get the color of this card at x,y
That code didn't work for me ... Probably need something more like, lock screen put the screenmouseLoc into coord set the screenmouseLoc to 350,350 put the mousecolor set the screenmouseLoc to coord unlock screen Alternately, one can export snapshot consisting of a single pixel and parse its contents. Wilhelm Sanke wrote get the color of this card at x,y and I would expect it to contain r,g,b click at x,y put the mousecolor ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: get the color of this card at x,y
Bill, thank you! Your idea worked well. I wrapped it into a function so it looked better for me, and put my example stack here: http://dl.shuler.org/dl.php?i=m510yb9zxq Thanks so much for the push in the right direction. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
[Fr][En]Re: Looking for a defined path to learn Rev (for new users)
René Micout rene.mic...@numericable.com wrote: Hello ! I read that the implementation of SheepSaver was tricky... What about that ? René Bonjour, J'ai lu que la mise en œuvre de SheepSaver était délicate... Qu'en est-il exactement ? bon je mets la balise bilingue you may encounter french beyond this limit ;-)) ce n'est pas le sauveur de moutons, mais le raseur de moutons ;-) it doesn't Save Sheep, but Shaves them ;-) trève de plaisanterie enough kidding oui, j'ai eu du mal à installer SheepShaver -- en fait ça bloquait à chaque fois sur Mac OS ROM qui n'était pas reconnue comme une ROM valide (subtil, il faut un vrai disque Mac OS et pas seulement le CD d'installation, qui ne marche qu'avec la machine qui est vendue avec*) installing SheepShaver was rather daunting Mac OS ROM was not recognized you must have a real Mac OS disc, not a simple install disc* et puis, le version de SheepShaver n'était pas la bonne non plus, au départ SheepShaver est prévu pour les machines Intel -- et j'ai un PowerPC G5 ! the current SheepShaver version was not good for PPC Macs cerise sur le gâteau, SheepShaver marchait bien avec Tiger, mais avait des vapeurs avec Leopard : tout pour plaire, quoi ! SheepShaver had some problems with Leopard et, subitement, l'autre jour, à mon énième tentative, je charge une version de SheepShaver qui est garantie marcher sur PPC, et je suis pas à pas la doc, trouvée sur le même site : http://www.emaculation.com/doku.php/sheepshaver_mac_os_x_setup and suddenly that worked with a new version of SheepShaver! j'installe comme décrit le System avec un CD Apple (Mac OS 8.6)... et ça marche !! j'ai pu lancer HyperCard, et d'autres applis legacy -- pour m'apercevoir que des fichiers ne sont pas reconnus (erreur -51), et que 'installation est instable ;- I launched HyperCard, and other legacy apps -- but a number of files are not recognized (-51 error), and the System is instable * en fait ce n'est pas absolu, mais je simplifie not absolutely Voilà [bilingue] ;-) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Running Mac OS 9 without a PPC processor
Sheep Shaver left me feeling I had had a trip through the dipping trough followed by a session with the emasculators . . . :) While singing an octave higher: I have had recourse several times to this: http://www.kju-app.org/ with perfectly satisfactory results; both with Mac OS 9 and Windows 95 and 98. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Mac ODBC connection to MSSQL on Windows Server
Hi all, A colleague of mine wants to build a revWeb internet application that accesses data from a MSSQL Server on a Windows server. He wants to deploy this application as a cross platform application. How would he go about that, as the application has the revOpenDatabase(odbc...) in the scripts? And if using on ODBC connection on a Mac, the MSSQL ODBC driver has to be installed and a DSN defined as well, right? I've been building Windows deployed applications, and don't know what to tell him. Are there any ODBC MSSQL connection tutorials for cross platform applications? And what other learning resources are there on such things? Regards, Mark Stuart ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re:PDF version of dictionary?
Once again I thank you dearly Jacque. I have also pinned your bit about not bothering up over my desk. Gratefully Barry ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [ANN] Data Tree 0.9.9 RC beta
Just a quick post to let everybody know that I've just uploaded a new beta of my tree library to my site. There's a blog post on my site that goes into detail about what's new or been fixed but in short, the big news is that this version adds support for tabbing to and from a tree. Thanks to everybody who has provided feedback, both to me directly and on the mailing list. You can obtain the beta download from my site, www.theworcestersource.com Very nice, Steve! I really like the platform-specific accuracy you went to the trouble of duplicating. Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: k...@sonsothunder.com Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Biting the Apple
Bill, here's another way to get a lot of free advertizing -- send some info to http://plugindoc.mozdev.org/ about the new plug-in. It works well in Firefox. The birthday cake revlet is mesmerizing. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
knowing if a printer is connected
I have a stack system that is being used on laptops (at this point Mac OSX only). One of my beta testers uses it in three different locations. Among many other things, the stack prints out notes and various other text files from within Rev (running in IDE on RevMedia 4.0 -- eventually I'll get to porting it as a standalone). As it stands now, the user needs to select the currently available printer using the system preferences. I need a way to discover if the printer designated as active in the system preferences is actually the one that is plugged into the USB port. I have a way for the user to change the printer from within the stack, but I'd like to avoid the situation where he tries to print something and gets the bobbing printer driver icon in the dock telling him that that printer is unavailable (because he's at a different site and forgot to change his printer designation). The ideal solution would be to be able to detect the currently connected printer and send any print job automatically to that printer, but I'd settle for just being able to post an alert when trying to print to notify him that he is about to use an unavailable printer. How do I detect what printer is connected? Or at least, detect if a designated printer is connected or not? -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmb...@gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: knowing if a printer is connected
Peter, tell application Printer Setup Utility set Current_Printer to name of current printer -- set a variable for the name of your current/default printer end tell this applescript tells me the currently selected printer on MacOSX 10.5.8 regards Bernd Peter Brigham MD wrote: I have a stack system that is being used on laptops (at this point Mac OSX only). One of my beta testers uses it in three different locations. Among many other things, the stack prints out notes and various other text files from within Rev (running in IDE on RevMedia 4.0 -- eventually I'll get to porting it as a standalone). As it stands now, the user needs to select the currently available printer using the system preferences. I need a way to discover if the printer designated as active in the system preferences is actually the one that is plugged into the USB port. I have a way for the user to change the printer from within the stack, but I'd like to avoid the situation where he tries to print something and gets the bobbing printer driver icon in the dock telling him that that printer is unavailable (because he's at a different site and forgot to change his printer designation). The ideal solution would be to be able to detect the currently connected printer and send any print job automatically to that printer, but I'd settle for just being able to post an alert when trying to print to notify him that he is about to use an unavailable printer. How do I detect what printer is connected? Or at least, detect if a designated printer is connected or not? -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmb...@gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/knowing-if-a-printer-is-connected-tp624188p624194.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Looking for a defined path to learn Rev (for new users)
Hi from Paris, I think Jim has it all sown up. From: Jim Bufalini j...@visitrieve.com So, I think you need focus on the lay of the land first. I went through many languages from 1401 Autocoder, through Fortran, through Cobol, through 360 Assembler, and then through PL/1. I was young and capable of evolving. Hypercard (at the age of 45) was a shock, and Revolution at 60, was a bigger shock. But I took the blows, and came out winning (and not whining !!) The developments of Revolution (revlets, revtalk, On-Rev, shake the traditional programmer, but you have to go with the flow, or sink into oblivion. Then the question arises - Are there any traditional programmers left ? - It MAY be a dying breed. Best Regards -Francis Nothing should ever be done for the first time ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Errant stack file
I have a stack where I do all my testing. This stack is purged from memory when it is closed, though this may not be pertinent. When I open this stack in a new session of Rev from the finder (v.4) I get a dialog that the stack revMacCursors is already in memory, and that this might cause problems. This revMacCursors stack seems to load itself onto my test stack every time I start up. If I get rid of it by setting the substacks to empty, saving, and then quitting rev, it will reappear again as a substack the next session. No other stacks I have seem to be plagued with this issue. It never occurred in v3.5. I see the stack in the toolset folder of the rev 4 folder, but so what? Craig Newman ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Looking for a defined path to learn Rev (for new users)
If one has ever had to work with punched cards (and I have not) genuinely deserves the title hard core. That stuff was so boring in the 60s that it drove me away from the field. How did anything get done? - Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev 2009/11/19 Francis Nugent Dixon effe...@wanadoo.fr Hi from Paris, I think Jim has it all sown up. From: Jim Bufalini j...@visitrieve.com So, I think you need focus on the lay of the land first. I went through many languages from 1401 Autocoder, through Fortran, through Cobol, through 360 Assembler, and then through PL/1. I was young and capable of evolving. Hypercard (at the age of 45) was a shock, and Revolution at 60, was a bigger shock. But I took the blows, and came out winning (and not whining !!) The developments of Revolution (revlets, revtalk, On-Rev, shake the traditional programmer, but you have to go with the flow, or sink into oblivion. Then the question arises - Are there any traditional programmers left ? - It MAY be a dying breed. Best Regards -Francis Nothing should ever be done for the first time ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: knowing if a printer is connected
Peter, I was a little too fast with my reply, I am afraid this gives me all the information of the current printer unfortunately it does return idle even if the current printer is off. tell application Printer Setup Utility set Current_Printer to name of current printer -- set a variable for the name of your current/default printer set tKind to kind of current printer set tproperties to properties of current printer set tJob to job of current printer end tell Since you are looking for an active/connected printer this is probably not working. regards Bernd BNig wrote: Peter, tell application Printer Setup Utility set Current_Printer to name of current printer -- set a variable for the name of your current/default printer end tell this applescript tells me the currently selected printer on MacOSX 10.5.8 regards Bernd Peter Brigham MD wrote: I have a stack system that is being used on laptops (at this point Mac OSX only). One of my beta testers uses it in three different locations. Among many other things, the stack prints out notes and various other text files from within Rev (running in IDE on RevMedia 4.0 -- eventually I'll get to porting it as a standalone). As it stands now, the user needs to select the currently available printer using the system preferences. I need a way to discover if the printer designated as active in the system preferences is actually the one that is plugged into the USB port. I have a way for the user to change the printer from within the stack, but I'd like to avoid the situation where he tries to print something and gets the bobbing printer driver icon in the dock telling him that that printer is unavailable (because he's at a different site and forgot to change his printer designation). The ideal solution would be to be able to detect the currently connected printer and send any print job automatically to that printer, but I'd settle for just being able to post an alert when trying to print to notify him that he is about to use an unavailable printer. How do I detect what printer is connected? Or at least, detect if a designated printer is connected or not? -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmb...@gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/knowing-if-a-printer-is-connected-tp624188p624225.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Looking for a defined path to learn Rev (for new users)
Hi Stephan and Francis, If one has ever had to work with punched cards (and I have not) genuinely deserves the title hard core. That stuff was so boring in the 60s that it drove me away from the field. I did as a teenager in high school on a summer job (circa 1968). ;-) I had actually forgotten this until just now. How did anything get done? Veeerrryyy slowly as you kept watching the clock for it to hit 5:00 pm. ;-) - Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev 2009/11/19 Francis Nugent Dixon effe...@wanadoo.fr Hi from Paris, snip and came out winning (and not whining !!) Clever. I like this. I am going to steal it! ;-) Then the question arises - Are there any traditional programmers left ? - It MAY be a dying breed. Almost any language that is not of the xtalk variety, such as C++, .net, Visual Basic, etc. is traditional compared to revTalk and there are more of these types of programmers than ever before. Aloha from Hawaii, Jim Bufalini ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: knowing if a printer is connected
It returns idle in all cases? Are you saying that it doesn't distinguish if the printer is on/connected vs off/disconnected? How would I get the contents of the various printer properties from this script into rev variables to test this out? Do I use an 'on appleEvent' handler -- if so, how? Sorry for the naive questions, but I haven't used applescript much. -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmb...@gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig On Nov 19, 2009, at 3:33 PM, BNig wrote: Peter, I was a little too fast with my reply, I am afraid this gives me all the information of the current printer unfortunately it does return idle even if the current printer is off. tell application Printer Setup Utility set Current_Printer to name of current printer -- set a variable for the name of your current/default printer set tKind to kind of current printer set tproperties to properties of current printer set tJob to job of current printer end tell Since you are looking for an active/connected printer this is probably not working. regards Bernd BNig wrote: Peter, tell application Printer Setup Utility set Current_Printer to name of current printer -- set a variable for the name of your current/default printer end tell this applescript tells me the currently selected printer on MacOSX 10.5.8 regards Bernd Peter Brigham MD wrote: I have a stack system that is being used on laptops (at this point Mac OSX only). One of my beta testers uses it in three different locations. Among many other things, the stack prints out notes and various other text files from within Rev (running in IDE on RevMedia 4.0 -- eventually I'll get to porting it as a standalone). As it stands now, the user needs to select the currently available printer using the system preferences. I need a way to discover if the printer designated as active in the system preferences is actually the one that is plugged into the USB port. I have a way for the user to change the printer from within the stack, but I'd like to avoid the situation where he tries to print something and gets the bobbing printer driver icon in the dock telling him that that printer is unavailable (because he's at a different site and forgot to change his printer designation). The ideal solution would be to be able to detect the currently connected printer and send any print job automatically to that printer, but I'd settle for just being able to post an alert when trying to print to notify him that he is about to use an unavailable printer. How do I detect what printer is connected? Or at least, detect if a designated printer is connected or not? -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmb...@gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/knowing-if-a-printer-is-connected-tp624188p624225.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Errant stack file
dunb...@aol.com wrote: I have a stack where I do all my testing. This stack is purged from memory when it is closed, though this may not be pertinent. When I open this stack in a new session of Rev from the finder (v.4) I get a dialog that the stack revMacCursors is already in memory, and that this might cause problems. This revMacCursors stack seems to load itself onto my test stack every time I start up. If I get rid of it by setting the substacks to empty, saving, and then quitting rev, it will reappear again as a substack the next session. No other stacks I have seem to be plagued with this issue. It never occurred in v3.5. I see the stack in the toolset folder of the rev 4 folder, but so what? It's part of the IDE and, as you probably suspected, provides Mac cursors. There's another stack that gets loaded for Windows and Linux cursors. It shouldn't be getting attached to your testing stack. How are you removing the substacks? Try opening the Application Browser, right-clicking on the extra revMacCursors stack, and choosing delete. Then save your test stack. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Looking for a defined path to learn Rev (for new users)
On Thu, 19 Nov 2009, Jim Bufalini wrote: It seems to me that your are trying to lead horses to water, who are neither thirsty nor want to drink. ;-) But the staggering amount of public funds that have been dumped into computers in the classroom requires that they really ought to either get thirsty really quickly or be force-fed the water. Here's a sad, sobering read: http://www.hull.ac.uk/php/edskas/Cuban%20article%20-%20oversold.pdf Yes, it was written some time ago, but I've not really seen any studies that indicate that things have changed for the better. In my children's 4 years in the public school system, there were a number of computers present in each classroom. Mostly they never got used. Or, if they did get used, it was for something completely stupid, like reading a story online. My niece and nephew, in the third grade, were required to use PowerPoint to present their vocabulary and spelling words. Yet another stupid use of computers in education. I've seen school district technology implementation plans for using computers to teach math -- how? Have the students type up word problems and type up the answers. DUMB DUMB DUMB! Or, in the case of I believe it may have been LA Unified, they forced the kids to use math education software that was SO BAD that hundreds of math educators and mathematicians signed an online petition saying that it was the worst educational software they'd ever seen. So, why was the school using it? It had been somebody's pet project and the district was threatened with the loss of NSF funds if they didn't use the software, which the NSF had underwritten. My children's first grade teacher, when I asked her about the computers (she's the one who had them reading stories online), and I made a joke about PowerPoint, her response was gee, I wish I knew how to do that in class! I wanted to weep. PowerPoint. For 6 year olds. When there was so much more that was possible to do with computers in education MORE THAN TWENTY YEARS AGO. But you raise an interesting point. We talk about the world embracing revTalk and revlets because the language is so easy. And, indeed it is. But, when I think back to when I first found rev, the major paradigm shift was not the language, but the concept of stacks and cards and how this equated to a windowed GUI. And, had I not had 15 years of extensive programming experience in another rev, called Revelation, which is PICK on the PC and which is very, very similar to rev in that it is a scripting language with chunks, no variable typing, compiling is at the individual script level, so you run and program at the same time, and many, many other similarities, I would have also probably had to go through a paradigm shift with the concept of chunks and where to put or organize scripts. --And, of course, this is exactly why it is perhaps a better audience for using this particular program, because cards and stacks of cards are things they already understand from the real world whereas typed data and where to put your semi-colons and how to indent your curlicue brackets are not. They have no pre-existing models by which to be confounded. The leap is in the structure and not the language. So while I think your course outline rightfully starts out with stacks and cards, I think, more than how to create, the focus in the beginning needs to be on the theory of stacks and cards and how these equate to the structures they are already familiar with. --That would be none. And none is a good thing ;-) Next, needs to be the theory of chunks and variables and then followed by theory of scripting and where to place blocks of code and what makes this all work or ties it all together, which is the message path. Also, before you get into objects you need o cover the theory behind commands and functions and how, in general, scripts are organized. --At this point, they've either run screaming to the hills to fire up PowerPoint or their eyes are glazed over or they're asleep. Guaranteed. They need short, sweet project-based learning that allows them to immediately begin using whatever little they've learned to date. I think without making this paradigm shift first, a programmer used to top down or OOP programming will just feel like a stranger in a strange land and will not hear your lessons on buttons and fields because he will be sitting there still trying to get his bearings. So, I think you need focus on the lay of the land first. Once a programmer has this down pat, the rest is easy and almost doesn't have to be taught because there is so much documentation that can easily be looked up for syntax and details. --Here's the problem: Teachers do not want to be turned into programmers. Who cares if they do in 15 lines what you'd do in 3? Admire your elegantly-crafted 3 lines, certainly. Laugh at my 20, certainly (well, okay, laugh discretely). But, at the end of the day, I'm pleased that I
Re: Errant stack file
Jacque: There were two revMacCursors stacks in the Application Browser. Both have the exactly same pathname, back to the toolSet folder in the Rev 4gm folder. Both were mainstacks.There is only one such file in that folder, of course.One was at the bottom of the list, out of sort order, which was by name. The first time I went through your suggestion, I was not offered an option to delete from the Application Browser, only to delete from memory, since both were mainstacks. I did so anyway, and upon saving, quitting and reopening rev, no improvement. So I did it again. This time the extra cursor stack was shown sort of one level down, like it was a substack. And I was offered the option to delete. Everything is back to normal, though I don't know why, and don't really care. Thank you. Don't ever get sick, disinterested in Rev, or change your name. Craig In a message dated 11/19/09 5:01:15 PM, jac...@hyperactivesw.com writes: How are you removing the substacks? Try opening the Application Browser, right-clicking on the extra revMacCursors stack, and choosing delete. Then save your test stack. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Errant stack file
dunb...@aol.com wrote: So I did it again. This time the extra cursor stack was shown sort of one level down, like it was a substack. And I was offered the option to delete. Everything is back to normal, though I don't know why, and don't really care. Thank you. I think you ran up against the no duplicate named stacks edict. When there's two with the same name, there's no telling what you'll see. Randomness abounds. I'm not sure how one got into your test stack but it sounds like the engine was having trouble telling them apart after it did. Don't ever get sick, disinterested in Rev, or change your name. LOL! Haven't any plans to go anonymous. :) -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Errant stack file
I don't mind edicts; I can generally ignore them. But I am unjustly accused in this case. I never create stacks with the same name, and certainly don't expect Rev to. Craig In a message dated 11/19/09 5:51:25 PM, jac...@hyperactivesw.com writes: I think you ran up against the no duplicate named stacks edict. When there's two with the same name, there's no telling what you'll see. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
$ProgramFiles error
Pretty sure this isn't anywhere in my code so it must be somewhere deeper in. Does this ring a bell with anyone? From a customer email: Getting this error when we exit the program: Line 434 processing token global $ProgramFiles(x86) We running Vista on an HP laptop, the program is running in XP mode. We received it when running in regular vista mode also. -- Critters, humor, patriots and sports t-shirts http://www.villagetshirts.com WlND0WS and MAClNT0SH shareware http://www.gypsyware.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: $ProgramFiles error
Hi Shari, I believe that this or a similar problem was discovered some time ago. It might have been fixed already. Are you sure that you built your standalone with the latest version of Revolution? I remember (quite) vaguely a discussion about incompatibility between global variable names starting with $ and arrays causing the problem. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer Download Strõm Flow Chart Software http://flowproject.economy-x-talk.com Op 20 nov 2009, om 00:02 heeft Shari het volgende geschreven: Pretty sure this isn't anywhere in my code so it must be somewhere deeper in. Does this ring a bell with anyone? From a customer email: Getting this error when we exit the program: Line 434 processing token global $ProgramFiles(x86) We running Vista on an HP laptop, the program is running in XP mode. We received it when running in regular vista mode also. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: knowing if a printer is connected
Peter, to test this put this applescript into a field 1 and have a field 2 for the result - tell application Printer Setup Utility set tReturn to set x to name of every printer as list repeat with i from 1 to count of items of x set tReturn to tReturn item i of x tab set tReturn to tReturn item -1 of (properties of printer (item i of x) as list) linefeed end repeat return tReturn end tell put this into a button -- on mouseUp do field 1 as applescript put char 2 to - 3 of the result into field 2 -- gets rid of quotes and trailing linefeed end mouseUp so basically you let applescript return the value/s you are interested in and you check the result. The last item of the properties of a printer is the status, it unfortunately returns idle. At least you get the names of the printers. The current printer is the default printer. regards Bernd Peter Brigham MD wrote: It returns idle in all cases? Are you saying that it doesn't distinguish if the printer is on/connected vs off/disconnected? How would I get the contents of the various printer properties from this script into rev variables to test this out? Do I use an 'on appleEvent' handler -- if so, how? Sorry for the naive questions, but I haven't used applescript much. -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmb...@gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/knowing-if-a-printer-is-connected-tp624188p624321.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: knowing if a printer is connected
Hi Peter, Here is another approach for OS X that might give you info that's easier to use. Or not. put shell(system_profiler SPPrintersDataType) into tDescriptions In my world it returns this: --- start of data --- Printers: Canon iP1700: Status: Idle Print Server: Local Driver Version: 5.8.3 Default: No URI: usb://Canon/iP1700?serial=705357 PPD: Canon iP1700 PPD File Version: 1.0 PostScript Version: (3011.104) 0 HP Color LaserJet 2600n: Status: Idle Print Server: Local Driver Version: 1.3.0501 Default: Yes URI: mdns://HP%20Color%20LaserJet%202600n._pdl-datastream._tcp.local./?bidi PPD: HP Color LaserJet 2600n PPD File Version: 1.0 PostScript Version: (3011.104) 0 Officejet Pro 8500 A909g [7134F4]: Status: Idle Print Server: Local Driver Version: 1.2 Default: No URI: mdns://Officejet%20Pro%208500%20A909g%20%5B7134F4%5D._pdl-datastream._tcp.local./?bidi PPD: HP Officejet Pro 8500 A909g Series PPD File Version: 1.2 PostScript Version: (3011.104) 0 --- end of data --- I see the URI line in each description tells if it is USB or not. BUT it doesn't tell you the status of the printers; I got the same descriptions when my USB printer was turned on/turned off/unplugged. If I learn more I'll post it. Phil Davis Peter Brigham MD wrote: It returns idle in all cases? Are you saying that it doesn't distinguish if the printer is on/connected vs off/disconnected? How would I get the contents of the various printer properties from this script into rev variables to test this out? Do I use an 'on appleEvent' handler -- if so, how? Sorry for the naive questions, but I haven't used applescript much. -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmb...@gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig On Nov 19, 2009, at 3:33 PM, BNig wrote: Peter, I was a little too fast with my reply, I am afraid this gives me all the information of the current printer unfortunately it does return idle even if the current printer is off. tell application Printer Setup Utility set Current_Printer to name of current printer -- set a variable for the name of your current/default printer set tKind to kind of current printer set tproperties to properties of current printer set tJob to job of current printer end tell Since you are looking for an active/connected printer this is probably not working. regards Bernd BNig wrote: Peter, tell application Printer Setup Utility set Current_Printer to name of current printer -- set a variable for the name of your current/default printer end tell this applescript tells me the currently selected printer on MacOSX 10.5.8 regards Bernd Peter Brigham MD wrote: I have a stack system that is being used on laptops (at this point Mac OSX only). One of my beta testers uses it in three different locations. Among many other things, the stack prints out notes and various other text files from within Rev (running in IDE on RevMedia 4.0 -- eventually I'll get to porting it as a standalone). As it stands now, the user needs to select the currently available printer using the system preferences. I need a way to discover if the printer designated as active in the system preferences is actually the one that is plugged into the USB port. I have a way for the user to change the printer from within the stack, but I'd like to avoid the situation where he tries to print something and gets the bobbing printer driver icon in the dock telling him that that printer is unavailable (because he's at a different site and forgot to change his printer designation). The ideal solution would be to be able to detect the currently connected printer and send any print job automatically to that printer, but I'd settle for just being able to post an alert when trying to print to notify him that he is about to use an unavailable printer. How do I detect what printer is connected? Or at least, detect if a designated printer is connected or not? -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmb...@gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/knowing-if-a-printer-is-connected-tp624188p624225.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Phil Davis PDS Labs Professional Software Development http://pdslabs.net ___ use-revolution mailing
Re: Growing Script Editor Fix?
I talked to... i think it was Ben... yeah, i talked to Ben during the conference about one of the bugs i filed. Basically it's the dreaded Mac menubar engine bug. The engine sometimes gets confused about the actual height of the stack, and the script editor has it's own menubar, thus the increase. I think there was a quick workaround for that, by adding objects to a new pristine stack and only after that setting the menubar, or vice- versa. Ben said he uses Windows, so he'll probably never be able to verify the problem. Too bad there's no way we can fix the ide ourself for everyone. bug entry: http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=8088 Björnke On 18 Nov 2009, at 21:19, Scott Rossi wrote: Does anybody know how to kill the ever-increasing script editor height bug? This is driving me insane. -- official ChatRev page: http://bjoernke.com?target=chatrev Chat with other RunRev developers: go stack URL http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/chatrev1.3b3.rev; ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: knowing if a printer is connected
BNig wrote: The last item of the properties of a printer is the status, it unfortunately returns idle. At least you get the names of the printers. The current printer is the default printer. regards Bernd You can also get the names of the printers with: put the availablePrinters into tList :-) -- Phil Davis PDS Labs Professional Software Development http://pdslabs.net ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Looking for a defined path to learn Rev (for new users)
Hi Judy, Your points are all well taken and true - for kids. But if you read Alejandro's original post, you will see that he is designing a course outline for his fellow teachers who already program in more traditional language(s), which one or ones I don't know, and he is wanting to convert them over to rev. This is the issue I was addressing and why I talked about the importance of addressing the paradigm shift first. Aloha from Hawaii, Jim Bufalini On Thu, 19 Nov 2009, Jim Bufalini wrote: It seems to me that your are trying to lead horses to water, who are neither thirsty nor want to drink. ;-) But the staggering amount of public funds that have been dumped into computers in the classroom requires that they really ought to either get thirsty really quickly or be force-fed the water. Here's a sad, sobering read: http://www.hull.ac.uk/php/edskas/Cuban%20article%20-%20oversold.pdf Yes, it was written some time ago, but I've not really seen any studies that indicate that things have changed for the better. In my children's 4 years in the public school system, there were a number of computers present in each classroom. Mostly they never got used. Or, if they did get used, it was for something completely stupid, like reading a story online. My niece and nephew, in the third grade, were required to use PowerPoint to present their vocabulary and spelling words. Yet another stupid use of computers in education. I've seen school district technology implementation plans for using computers to teach math -- how? Have the students type up word problems and type up the answers. DUMB DUMB DUMB! Or, in the case of I believe it may have been LA Unified, they forced the kids to use math education software that was SO BAD that hundreds of math educators and mathematicians signed an online petition saying that it was the worst educational software they'd ever seen. So, why was the school using it? It had been somebody's pet project and the district was threatened with the loss of NSF funds if they didn't use the software, which the NSF had underwritten. My children's first grade teacher, when I asked her about the computers (she's the one who had them reading stories online), and I made a joke about PowerPoint, her response was gee, I wish I knew how to do that in class! I wanted to weep. PowerPoint. For 6 year olds. When there was so much more that was possible to do with computers in education MORE THAN TWENTY YEARS AGO. But you raise an interesting point. We talk about the world embracing revTalk and revlets because the language is so easy. And, indeed it is. But, when I think back to when I first found rev, the major paradigm shift was not the language, but the concept of stacks and cards and how this equated to a windowed GUI. And, had I not had 15 years of extensive programming experience in another rev, called Revelation, which is PICK on the PC and which is very, very similar to rev in that it is a scripting language with chunks, no variable typing, compiling is at the individual script level, so you run and program at the same time, and many, many other similarities, I would have also probably had to go through a paradigm shift with the concept of chunks and where to put or organize scripts. --And, of course, this is exactly why it is perhaps a better audience for using this particular program, because cards and stacks of cards are things they already understand from the real world whereas typed data and where to put your semi-colons and how to indent your curlicue brackets are not. They have no pre-existing models by which to be confounded. The leap is in the structure and not the language. So while I think your course outline rightfully starts out with stacks and cards, I think, more than how to create, the focus in the beginning needs to be on the theory of stacks and cards and how these equate to the structures they are already familiar with. --That would be none. And none is a good thing ;-) Next, needs to be the theory of chunks and variables and then followed by theory of scripting and where to place blocks of code and what makes this all work or ties it all together, which is the message path. Also, before you get into objects you need o cover the theory behind commands and functions and how, in general, scripts are organized. --At this point, they've either run screaming to the hills to fire up PowerPoint or their eyes are glazed over or they're asleep. Guaranteed. They need short, sweet project-based learning that allows them to immediately begin using whatever little they've learned to date. I think without making this paradigm shift first, a programmer used to top down or OOP programming will just feel like a stranger in a strange land and will not hear your lessons on buttons and fields because he will be sitting there still
Re: knowing if a printer is connected
Here's another OS X shell command that will list only the USB printers turned on. Unfortunately, it doesn't list them by their full names. Here's the code (in a button): on mouseUp put shell(ioreg) into tList filter tList with *IOUSBDevice* put the number of lines in tList cr tList into fld list2 end mouseUp Here's the output on my machine: 8 | | | +-o IR recei...@450 class IOUSBDevice, registered, matched, active, busy 0, retain 8 | | | +-o Apple Cinema disp...@2432 class IOUSBDevice, registered, matched, active, busy 0, retain 8 | | | +-o C-Media USB Audio @2433 class IOUSBDevice, registered, matched, active, busy 0, retain 9 | | | +-o Apple Cinema disp...@2472 class IOUSBDevice, registered, matched, active, busy 0, retain 8 | | | +-o ip1...@2431 class IOUSBDevice, registered, matched, active, busy 0, retain 8 | | | +-o Microsoft 3-Button Mouse with IntelliEye(TM)@640 class IOUSBDevice, registered, matched, active, busy 0, retain 8 | | | +-o Bluetooth USB Host control...@611 class IOUSBDevice, registered, matched, active, busy 0, retain 11 | | | +-o Apple keybo...@2622 class IOUSBDevice, registered, matched, active, busy 0, retain 9 Line 5 above is the USB printer. When I turn the printer off and run the code again, I get 7 lines and the printer line is missing. This printer shows up in the availablePrinters list as Canon iP1700. So there's a partial association between the 2 sets of data. FWIW - Phil Phil Davis wrote: BNig wrote: The last item of the properties of a printer is the status, it unfortunately returns idle. At least you get the names of the printers. The current printer is the default printer. regards Bernd You can also get the names of the printers with: put the availablePrinters into tList :-) -- Phil Davis PDS Labs Professional Software Development http://pdslabs.net ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Looking for a defined path to learn Rev (for new users)
Hi Jim, I went back and re-read Alejandro's post and that is most definitely NOT the impression it gives me. I also chatted with him for a good half hour or more yesterday and nothing in that conversation suggested that these teachers already know how to program using another language/environment. For example, he repeatedly makes the point that they are expecting Rev to look like and have similar capabilities to a typical Office suite of programs (which is about all teacher ed candidates tend to be taught). He says they look at the volume of documentation and are horrified, whereas probably most of us who already use Rev to varying degrees wish there was even more (for example, it was recently suggested to me to use the selectedLine for a tabbed button... I checked the docs and they only suggest that selectedLine works for fields, not buttons, but it did, indeed work). Can you point me to what I missed (re Alejandro)? :-) Judy On Thu, 19 Nov 2009, Jim Bufalini wrote: Hi Judy, Your points are all well taken and true - for kids. But if you read Alejandro's original post, you will see that he is designing a course outline for his fellow teachers who already program in more traditional language(s), which one or ones I don't know, and he is wanting to convert them over to rev. This is the issue I was addressing and why I talked about the importance of addressing the paradigm shift first. Aloha from Hawaii, Jim Bufalini ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: $ProgramFiles error
Definitely wasn't built with the latest version, good point. I did see a brief discussion in the archives about a problem with that specific global variable that others were having awhile back. Must be something in the backend of the Rev code or stacks. But didn't see a solution. Maybe the solution is as simple as upgrading my Rev. I've got their multiyear license, I just tend to delay upgrading. Can't believe I didn't think of that first! Thank you! Shari Hi Shari, I believe that this or a similar problem was discovered some time ago. It might have been fixed already. Are you sure that you built your standalone with the latest version of Revolution? I remember (quite) vaguely a discussion about incompatibility between global variable names starting with $ and arrays causing the problem. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille -- Critters, humor, patriots and sports t-shirts http://www.villagetshirts.com WlND0WS and MAClNT0SH shareware http://www.gypsyware.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Mac ODBC connection to MSSQL on Windows Server
Mark, If you've got a functional ODBC driver on the MAC it should work just like it was on Windows. At the wire level, it's just talking on sockets. As far as using it in a revLet, it appears all of us that have this need are, shall we say, screwed. You will have to have some sort of .cgi process on a server somewhere that will be able to talk ODBC to the database server and use sockets to talk to the revLet(s). It can be a simple as passing the parameters you were going to pass to the revDB call along with the name of the routine (as text) and then excute this on the cgi end to talk to the real database. It's quick and dirty but should be easy to get up and running. You can make it more robust later if there's a hurry to get something done. Better yet, get after runRev to give us someway to communicate with databases from revLets and the problem will be solved. len Mark Stuart wrote: Hi all, A colleague of mine wants to build a revWeb internet application that accesses data from a MSSQL Server on a Windows server. He wants to deploy this application as a cross platform application. How would he go about that, as the application has the revOpenDatabase(odbc...) in the scripts? And if using on ODBC connection on a Mac, the MSSQL ODBC driver has to be installed and a DSN defined as well, right? I've been building Windows deployed applications, and don't know what to tell him. Are there any ODBC MSSQL connection tutorials for cross platform applications? And what other learning resources are there on such things? Regards, Mark Stuart ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: knowing if a printer is connected
Hi, Also you can use from the shell: lpstat -p -- to see the available printers lpstat -d -- to know the default printer name and to send directly to the printer: lpr -P name of the printer -o page-ranges=1 -o landscape path to the file to print If you check the lpr command in CUPS manual you can see a lot of options to control the job sended to the printer. The question is capture the name of the printer or class. The name use _ for spaces, assigning the name directly don't work, almost for me. Salut, Josep -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/knowing-if-a-printer-is-connected-tp624188p624396.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [ANN] Data Tree 0.9.9 RC beta
Hi Steve, Congratulations for your Data Tree! Salut, Josep -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/ANN-Data-Tree-0-9-9-RC-beta-tp584774p624397.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: knowing if a printer is connected
This is the best so far! Phil Davis JosepM wrote: Hi, Also you can use from the shell: lpstat -p -- to see the available printers lpstat -d -- to know the default printer name and to send directly to the printer: lpr -P name of the printer -o page-ranges=1 -o landscape path to the file to print If you check the lpr command in CUPS manual you can see a lot of options to control the job sended to the printer. The question is capture the name of the printer or class. The name use _ for spaces, assigning the name directly don't work, almost for me. Salut, Josep -- Phil Davis PDS Labs Professional Software Development http://pdslabs.net ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Looking for a defined path to learn Rev (for new users)
Judy Perry wrote: I went back and re-read Alejandro's post and that is most definitely NOT the impression it gives me. I also chatted with him for a good half hour or more yesterday and nothing in that conversation suggested that these teachers already know how to program using another language/environment. For example, he repeatedly makes the point that they are expecting Rev to look like and have similar capabilities to a typical Office suite of programs (which is about all teacher ed candidates tend to be taught). He says they look at the volume of documentation and are horrified, whereas probably most of us who already use Rev to varying degrees wish there was even more (for example, it was recently suggested to me to use the selectedLine for a tabbed button... I checked the docs and they only suggest that selectedLine works for fields, not buttons, but it did, indeed work). Can you point me to what I missed (re Alejandro)? Hi Judy, If you spoke with him for 30-minutes yesterday, then you probably have not missed anything and I am the one who misunderstood his post. ;-) In my defense, when I read (brackets added for emphasis by me): - Hi all, Previously, i have wrote about [my fellow teachers] that i have [invited to use RevMedia] in their classes. If you read those comments, you had learn that they expect to receive training from the source, from Runrev, not unlike Microsoft and Adobe offers with their [certification programs]. The idea of learning on their own, do not attract too many of them. I know that this is the result of previous experiences in [trainings for other softwares]... - I read it to mean he wanted to teach his fellow teachers (not kids) how to program in rev and I took his previous experiences in trainings for other softwares to mean other software languages and not how to use office programs. And, in Alejandro's defense, I fully understand he is not writing in his native language. None the less, and in light of what is now my obvious misunderstanding aside, it did cause me to think of when I first started with Rev and as I said in my post: ... But you raise an interesting point... assuming there are programmers who know how to program in other more traditional programming languages... you need to focus on the lay of the land first... this applies to not just your fellow teachers, but all those we expect to embrace revlets and revTalk... I stand by this, even if it wasn't what Alejandro was asking. And in writing my misguided response, it made me realize that this is probably the single most barrier to mass adoption of revlets by programmers of other languages. However, it is certainly not an insurmountable barrier, and in fact, a very addressable one. As to teaching kids, you'll have to speak to my wife who is a certified K through 12 and special needs school teacher. ;-) She was previously, for 18 years, a Systems Engineer with IBM in charge of Education Systems and installing computers in the classroom here. Aloha from Hawaii, Jim Bufalini ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
revStudio 4.0 Script Editor a slouch
What is up with the v4.0 Script editor? Platform: WinXP 1) Opening it with scripts in it has a delay before placing the cursor and being able to start typing 2) There's a definite delay when editing/typing anything in the editor 3) Clicking in the numbered margin to mark a Breakpoint is also delayed to set it and remove it 4) Clicking the Taskbar Continue button for a selected script doesn't do anything. Did in 3.50 5) Copy / Paste in 3.50 was fast. In 4.0 the paste ends up somewhere else, messing up my scripts This is going backwards :( Anybody experience similar behavior? Regards, Mark Stuart ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Looking for a defined path to learn Rev (for new users)
Hi Jim, If you spoke with him for 30-minutes yesterday, then you probably have not missed anything and I am the one who misunderstood his post. ;-) --Well, to clarify, it was a text-based chat as opposed to a phone-based one, so I might well have missed something! :-) None the less, and in light of what is now my obvious misunderstanding aside, it did cause me to think of when I first started with Rev and as I said in my post: ... But you raise an interesting point... assuming there are programmers who know how to program in other more traditional programming languages... you need to focus on the lay of the land first... this applies to not just your fellow teachers, but all those we expect to embrace revlets and revTalk... --That's why I thought it was neat that Mark Wieder did his little VB -- Rev cheat-sheet in the new screensteps lessons. I stand by this, even if it wasn't what Alejandro was asking. And in writing my misguided response, it made me realize that this is probably the single most barrier to mass adoption of revlets by programmers of other languages. However, it is certainly not an insurmountable barrier, and in fact, a very addressable one. --Indeed. We need more cheat-sheets for those folks! As to teaching kids, you'll have to speak to my wife who is a certified K through 12 and special needs school teacher. ;-) She was previously, for 18 years, a Systems Engineer with IBM in charge of Education Systems and installing computers in the classroom here. --Nice! Best, Judy ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
