Re: Standalone Not Working

[Sarah Reichelt]

> Created a standalone on my Mac for both Mac and Windows.  I opened the Mac 
> version and it works fine.  I then uploaded the whole things (folder with 
> both versions) to a FirstClass server so that my students can download it.  
> When I download the Mac version from the server, it will not open.  
> Double-click and it just sits there.  What did I do wrong?  Did something get 
> lost along the way?


A Mac application is actually a special sort of folder with lots of
stuff hidden inside, so you need to zip it or put it into a disk image
before uploading.

Cheers,
Sarah
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Standalone Not Working

[Gregory Lypny]

Hello everyone,

Created a standalone on my Mac for both Mac and Windows.  I opened the Mac 
version and it works fine.  I then uploaded the whole things (folder with both 
versions) to a FirstClass server so that my students can download it.  When I 
download the Mac version from the server, it will not open.  Double-click and 
it just sits there.  What did I do wrong?  Did something get lost along the way?

Regards,

Gregory
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Re: Swing Browser is in testing

[Nicolas Cueto]

> Just curious because I've never tried it, but does a Flash plugin print from
> the browser? Or a QuickTime movie poster?

Flash plugins did print from my browser.

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Re: [OT] Illustrating C

[Andre Garzia]

Alejandro,

While I was coursing computer science I used that book a lot. I love it!

Most of my fellow students had huge C bibles with thousand pages and more, I
had only that book and it contained everything I wanted and was easy to
follow and understand.

I really think it is a great book, thought it was out of print, will get
myself a copy.

Cheers
andre

On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 12:24 AM, Alejandro Tejada wrote:

>
> Hi all,
>
> Today, i borrowed from a software developer the book
> "Illustrating C" that Alex Tweedly recommended some
> months ago to learn C programming:
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Illustrating-C-Ansi-Iso-Version/dp/0521468213
>
> http://books.google.com.do/books?id=TgL6vOlQcvUC&dq=Illustrating+C&printsec=frontcover&source=bl&ots=-tu55WN4Ws&sig=VS6JU322UvXEkqnD-u5ueOPlbbM&hl=es&ei=OxwXS9LzKsmztgesw4nkBA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CB8Q6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=&f=false
>
> It's surprising, how densely packed of information is
> this small book (size is smaller than a 8 1/2 x 11 page
> and only have 214 pages including index).
>
> Probably it's my personal interpretation, but looking at
> the calligraphy and hand-made diagrams make me think
> that every word and graphic printed in this book is crucially
> important to the explanations given.
>
> Hope that you could take a look to this book and comment
> about Donald Alcock unique style of teaching C.
>
> Alejandro
>
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Re: Swing Browser is in testing

[J. Landman Gay]

Richard Miller wrote:
The only printing that is working is through Rev's "print this card from 
xx to yy". That works fine. Printing from the browser's print command 
doesn't appear to work.


Just curious because I've never tried it, but does a Flash plugin print 
from the browser? Or a QuickTime movie poster?


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[OT] Illustrating C

[Alejandro Tejada]

Hi all,

Today, i borrowed from a software developer the book
"Illustrating C" that Alex Tweedly recommended some
months ago to learn C programming:

http://www.amazon.com/Illustrating-C-Ansi-Iso-Version/dp/0521468213
http://books.google.com.do/books?id=TgL6vOlQcvUC&dq=Illustrating+C&printsec=frontcover&source=bl&ots=-tu55WN4Ws&sig=VS6JU322UvXEkqnD-u5ueOPlbbM&hl=es&ei=OxwXS9LzKsmztgesw4nkBA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CB8Q6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=&f=false

It's surprising, how densely packed of information is
this small book (size is smaller than a 8 1/2 x 11 page
and only have 214 pages including index).

Probably it's my personal interpretation, but looking at
the calligraphy and hand-made diagrams make me think
that every word and graphic printed in this book is crucially
important to the explanations given. 

Hope that you could take a look to this book and comment
about Donald Alcock unique style of teaching C.

Alejandro

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Re: Swing Browser is in testing

[David Coker]

Hello again Richard,
This is just an FYI for anyone else that wants to remove the application files 
that are downloaded during testing. I finally found them hidden in:
C:/Users/x/AppData/Roaming/Swing Browser/

I'm *really* new to using Vista and have never gotten around to seeing where 
they hide things. :)

All is well.

Regards,
David C.

- Original Message -
From: "Richard Miller" 
To: "How to use Revolution" 
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2009 6:13:39 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: Swing Browser is in testing

Hi David,

The folder is called Swing Browser. It should be in AppData, which I 
believe is a hidden folder. I put the files in there because there 
seemed to be some consensus here that specialfolderpath(26) was a good 
place for Rev files. If you open Rev and type specialfolderpath(26) in 
the msg box, it should give you the pathway.

Richard



David Coker wrote:
> Hey Richard.
>
> ...well now, there lies the problem. I followed the path that was displayed 
> withing the program and didn't find any such folder as you've described. Just 
> did a complete search for the entire computer and all users as Admin and 
> still didn't locate anything. How about sharing one single file name and I'll 
> give that a try?
>
>
> Best regards,
> David C.
>
>
>
>   
>> The files are all in a Swing Browser folder... either in Documents or
>> the AppData folder. Just dump the folder. I do need to create an
>> uninstaller. An uninstaller for a web site... sounds like a new concept.
>> 
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Re: Rev 4.0 article on TheServerSide

[William Marriott]

Alejandro,


Bill, Why don't link to Stomfi tutorials for Novell Linux in these answers?


Just discovered them thanks to your post... really nice to have a few 
pages on the Novell site about us :) Will try to make some use of them.


http://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/author/1211.html


- Bill

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Re: Rev 4.0 article on TheServerSide

[Peter W A Wood]

Richard 

> IIRC, the Java example of how to make an alias is from the Apple web site.

That raises an interesting question. Is is because Apple's engineers write poor 
Java that Steve Jobs said “Java’s not worth building in. Nobody uses Java 
anymore. It’s this big heavyweight ball and chain.” or is it because Steve Jobs 
said it that Apple's engineers write poor Java?

Whatever the answer, Andre raised a very relevant point, with which I fully 
agree, that Rev is not well served by using a comparison against what others 
feel is very poor code.

To truly demonstrate Rev's ability against other code, get the code written by 
a recognised expert in that language (somebody like Bruce Eckel for Java and 
C++). Yes, it would cost money but I believe it would be money well spent.

If RunRev doesn't have or want to spend the money then issue a challenge to 
improve the code on a forum like Stackoverflow.

To exemplify both points, I was going to write a counter example of sending a 
simple email - sending a simple text message. I'm new to Rev so I couldn't do 
it off the top of my head. So, I leave it to the experts on the list to come up 
with the Rev to counter my Rebol example:

REBOL[] ;; Script header

;; Initialise network settings
set-net [
myem...@mydomain.com
smtp.MyDomain.com
pop.MyDomain.com
ProxyDomain.com ;; or None
ProxyPort   ;; or None
ProxyProtocol   ;; or None
"MyUserAccount"
"MyPassword"
  ]

send yourem...@yourdomain.com "Hello There"

send/header yourem...@yourdomain.com
"Doesn't this demonstrate a biased example?"
"Rebol needs far fewer lines than Rev"

;; end of scrpt 

Regards

Peter


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Re: Swing Browser is in testing

[Richard Miller]

The only printing that is working is through Rev's "print this card from 
xx to yy". That works fine. Printing from the browser's print command 
doesn't appear to work.


Yeah... I figured I'd post info about the site here to help sort out 
more revweb issues. Hopefully, this process will serve a bunch of us.


It really would be helpful to hear something from Revolution about the 
status of the next plugin update. Just to know if we're a week away... a 
month away... or considerably longer till the plugin reaches some level 
of reliability.


Richard



Nicolas Cueto wrote:

No problem, Richard.

  

the nuances of the plugin... and it's many inconsistencies. It's definitely not
ready for show time.



Which is a large reason for my helping you out. I figure you butting
heads with it now makes my revlet life easier later on.

Speaking of which. Does Swing Browser do print-outs of revlet
window-contents to paper thru a browser's (not a revlet's) "Print"
function?

I've tried but, when my IE/Firefox prints out, everything on the
webpage gets copied onto paper except for the revlet frame and its
contents.

Just wondering.

Anyway, good luck on the Swing Browser to revlet transition.

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Re: Swing Browser is in testing

[Nicolas Cueto]

No problem, Richard.

> the nuances of the plugin... and it's many inconsistencies. It's definitely 
> not
> ready for show time.

Which is a large reason for my helping you out. I figure you butting
heads with it now makes my revlet life easier later on.

Speaking of which. Does Swing Browser do print-outs of revlet
window-contents to paper thru a browser's (not a revlet's) "Print"
function?

I've tried but, when my IE/Firefox prints out, everything on the
webpage gets copied onto paper except for the revlet frame and its
contents.

Just wondering.

Anyway, good luck on the Swing Browser to revlet transition.

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Re: Swing Browser is in testing

[Richard Miller]

Hi David,

The folder is called Swing Browser. It should be in AppData, which I 
believe is a hidden folder. I put the files in there because there 
seemed to be some consensus here that specialfolderpath(26) was a good 
place for Rev files. If you open Rev and type specialfolderpath(26) in 
the msg box, it should give you the pathway.


Richard



David Coker wrote:

Hey Richard.

...well now, there lies the problem. I followed the path that was displayed 
withing the program and didn't find any such folder as you've described. Just 
did a complete search for the entire computer and all users as Admin and still 
didn't locate anything. How about sharing one single file name and I'll give 
that a try?


Best regards,
David C.



  

The files are all in a Swing Browser folder... either in Documents or
the AppData folder. Just dump the folder. I do need to create an
uninstaller. An uninstaller for a web site... sounds like a new concept.


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Re: Swing Browser is in testing

[David Coker]

Hey Richard.

...well now, there lies the problem. I followed the path that was displayed 
withing the program and didn't find any such folder as you've described. Just 
did a complete search for the entire computer and all users as Admin and still 
didn't locate anything. How about sharing one single file name and I'll give 
that a try?


Best regards,
David C.



>The files are all in a Swing Browser folder... either in Documents or
>the AppData folder. Just dump the folder. I do need to create an
>uninstaller. An uninstaller for a web site... sounds like a new concept.
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Re: Swing Browser is in testing

[Richard Miller]

Nicolas,

Yes... this can be a bit frustrating. Just walked another user through 
the startup process. He's using XP and IE. Wouldn't work at all. He 
switched to Firefox and everything worked perfectly. Not a single problem.


The black screen you are seeing is just a protective graphic to prevent 
users from interacting too soon. But it should disappear at the end of 
the startup process. So something is not completing right. I'll be 
digging into this tomorrow AM.


Thanks for helping. I appreciate it. All this testing is helping uncover 
the nuances of the plugin... and it's many inconsistencies. It's 
definitely not ready for show time.


Richard




Nicolas Cueto wrote:

Richard,

I tried it again, this time after updating my Rev plugin version.

One very small difference this time. Right before the "downloading"
message appears, for a very brief second I can see an image of a
golfer and some other screen objects. But after "downloading" is done,
it's the same blackscreen with a left-side menu.

Tried it on IE8. Same as above -- brief glimpse of a golfer/objects,
and then blackscreen/menu.

--
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Re: Rev 4.0 article on TheServerSide

[Richard Gaskin]

Andre Garzia wrote:

Actually I think some of the comments have a point. That language
comparision pdf is misleading. Even I could write better code than that in
those languages. I would suggest people on runrev would change that pdf to
present optimum code in C++/C#/JAVA and the like, like, very professional
code and see how well Rev stacks against it, even if they are all one
liners, Rev will be more readable and thus win points. If you post crappy
code, the users of those languages will clearly recognize the pdf as a bad
practice and have a bad impression of the language.


IIRC, the Java example of how to make an alias is from the Apple web site.

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Re: Swing Browser is in testing

[Nicolas Cueto]

Richard,

I tried it again, this time after updating my Rev plugin version.

One very small difference this time. Right before the "downloading"
message appears, for a very brief second I can see an image of a
golfer and some other screen objects. But after "downloading" is done,
it's the same blackscreen with a left-side menu.

Tried it on IE8. Same as above -- brief glimpse of a golfer/objects,
and then blackscreen/menu.

--
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Re: Swing Browser is in testing

[Richard Miller]

Nicolas,

No explanations... yet. But thanks for looking. I haven't received any 
other reports of the problem you encountered, but I'll dig into it. Will 
likely contact you offline.


The frustrating thing is that there's no way to know how many problems 
like this are due to the plugin. Most folks testing the site are finding 
nearly all of it working well. But then there are about 25% of users 
having problems in areas that work fine for others.


Richard


Nicolas Cueto wrote:

Richard,

Just out of curiosity, checked out your site. Unfortunately, it's not
working on my setup (Vista, Firefox 3.5.5, revApp 4.0.0-rc-1 build
940).

Here's what I see at my end. A window with a left-side menu and a
"downloading" message appears. During downloading, a screen object
that I guess is a progress bar also appears (can't tell for sure,
cause it remains one solid white color thruout the download). When the
"downloading" message and object disappear, there's a twirling
multi-colored icon/cursor, which simply disappears when clicked-on.
Then, at last, I'm left with just a black window with that left-side
menu, which is unclickable.

Tried it a couple of times, and the same results each time.

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Re: Swing Browser is in testing

[Richard Miller]

David,

Thanks for taking a look at it. Isn't that just the way these things 
go... works for you, but not for Nicolas. Same basic configuration. 
Vista. Firefox. Same plugin. Different results. More digging ahead...


The files are all in a Swing Browser folder... either in Documents or 
the AppData folder. Just dump the folder. I do need to create an 
uninstaller. An uninstaller for a web site... sounds like a new concept.


Richard




David Coker wrote:

Richard,
Although I'm not sure what all is supposed to be functional, I was able to view 
some golfing videos after browsing around a bit to find where they were located 
in the program. Also took a snapshot of one and saved it to my desktop. All of 
the above on a RC running Vista and Firefox.

Pretty nifty concept, but nothing I can use. ;)

My only question at this point... where are all of the files located that were 
downloaded so that I may remove them from my computer?

Best regards,
David C.


  

- Original Message -
From: "Richard Miller" 
To: "How to use Revolution" 
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2009 8:37:28 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Swing Browser is in testing

I have entered the testing phase with my new software based on the 
revweb plugin, and would appreciate any and all feedback (negative, 
positive, suggestions whatever) from anyone who wants to check it over.


The site is still rough around the edges... plus, I have little in the 
way of graphics skills, so it doesn't look as cool or tight as it could. 
But functionally, it has all the right pieces. I have about 30 users 
testing it now before it goes public... which won't be until a new 
version of the plugin is released. I've had to work around the ongoing 
revweb problems regarding cursors (no busy, draw or hand cursor), the 
lack of a dependable Answer dialog box, the lack of direct Externals 
support, and a few other things. Hopefully, these will all be fixed 
soon. Also note it does not seem to run under Windows 7 and IE (not sure 
about Firefox).


The main purposes of this site are as follows:

1. Allow users to easily import their sports videos into the system, 
following which they can review their "motion" frame-by-frame. I've set 
the site up generically, so it is as useful to baseball, tennis, etc. as 
it is to golf (my original core focus area).  The software should handle 
most common video formats. It uses ffmpeg to convert any 
non-Quicktime-compatible formats to MOV.


2. Let users compare their motion to professionals (i.e. "model videos" 
in the Directory)


3. Let them easily edit these videos (which are often 20 - 100 mb in 
size coming off the camera) so the file size is 1 mb or so, from which 
they can then quickly send those videos to anyone else for review (using 
just an email address). The receiver views the video in my program. You 
can test this function using the Sample Video (in the Directory) under 
the Imported Videos section. Click on it, then Edit Video.


4. Most importantly, allow pro's to do a voice-over analysis (including 
lines, circles and polygons) of a swing using the Create Analysis button 
in the Compare screen. This analysis can then be quickly sent to others 
(typically students) for review through my site.


5. Make the program easy to use, convenient (since it runs in a 
browser... which is where all the action seems to be these days), and 
inexpensive ($69).


6. Make it Windows, Mac and (soon) Linux compatible.

It's all here:  www.swingbrowser.com

Thanks.
Richard Miller


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Re: Swing Browser is in testing

[David Coker]

Richard,
Although I'm not sure what all is supposed to be functional, I was able to view 
some golfing videos after browsing around a bit to find where they were located 
in the program. Also took a snapshot of one and saved it to my desktop. All of 
the above on a RC running Vista and Firefox.

Pretty nifty concept, but nothing I can use. ;)

My only question at this point... where are all of the files located that were 
downloaded so that I may remove them from my computer?

Best regards,
David C.


>- Original Message -
>From: "Richard Miller" 
>To: "How to use Revolution" 
>Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2009 8:37:28 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
>Subject: Swing Browser is in testing
>
>I have entered the testing phase with my new software based on the 
>revweb plugin, and would appreciate any and all feedback (negative, 
>positive, suggestions whatever) from anyone who wants to check it over.
>
>The site is still rough around the edges... plus, I have little in the 
>way of graphics skills, so it doesn't look as cool or tight as it could. 
>But functionally, it has all the right pieces. I have about 30 users 
>testing it now before it goes public... which won't be until a new 
>version of the plugin is released. I've had to work around the ongoing 
>revweb problems regarding cursors (no busy, draw or hand cursor), the 
>lack of a dependable Answer dialog box, the lack of direct Externals 
>support, and a few other things. Hopefully, these will all be fixed 
>soon. Also note it does not seem to run under Windows 7 and IE (not sure 
>about Firefox).
>
>The main purposes of this site are as follows:
>
>1. Allow users to easily import their sports videos into the system, 
>following which they can review their "motion" frame-by-frame. I've set 
>the site up generically, so it is as useful to baseball, tennis, etc. as 
>it is to golf (my original core focus area).  The software should handle 
>most common video formats. It uses ffmpeg to convert any 
>non-Quicktime-compatible formats to MOV.
>
>2. Let users compare their motion to professionals (i.e. "model videos" 
>in the Directory)
>
>3. Let them easily edit these videos (which are often 20 - 100 mb in 
>size coming off the camera) so the file size is 1 mb or so, from which 
>they can then quickly send those videos to anyone else for review (using 
>just an email address). The receiver views the video in my program. You 
>can test this function using the Sample Video (in the Directory) under 
>the Imported Videos section. Click on it, then Edit Video.
>
>4. Most importantly, allow pro's to do a voice-over analysis (including 
>lines, circles and polygons) of a swing using the Create Analysis button 
>in the Compare screen. This analysis can then be quickly sent to others 
>(typically students) for review through my site.
>
>5. Make the program easy to use, convenient (since it runs in a 
>browser... which is where all the action seems to be these days), and 
>inexpensive ($69).
>
>6. Make it Windows, Mac and (soon) Linux compatible.
>
>It's all here:  www.swingbrowser.com
>
>Thanks.
>Richard Miller
>
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Re: Swing Browser is in testing

[Nicolas Cueto]

Richard,

Just out of curiosity, checked out your site. Unfortunately, it's not
working on my setup (Vista, Firefox 3.5.5, revApp 4.0.0-rc-1 build
940).

Here's what I see at my end. A window with a left-side menu and a
"downloading" message appears. During downloading, a screen object
that I guess is a progress bar also appears (can't tell for sure,
cause it remains one solid white color thruout the download). When the
"downloading" message and object disappear, there's a twirling
multi-colored icon/cursor, which simply disappears when clicked-on.
Then, at last, I'm left with just a black window with that left-side
menu, which is unclickable.

Tried it a couple of times, and the same results each time.

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Re: tText plugin

[Jerry Daniels]

Gen,

Why would you need the file path? You've got the text staring you in  
the face in tText. Look at the two samples that come with the product.  
They take text from one tab, munge it and then put it into another tab.


Best,

Jerry Daniels

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http://reveditor.com/feature-friday-drag-n-drop-stacks-0

On Dec 2, 2009, at 2:39 PM, Generic Email wrote:

I thought I would like to write a tText plugin that would execute  
the script being edited and put the output into another tab.
I didn't see a way to retrieve the full path of the file currently  
being edited.


So the flow would be something like this:

1) Get the full path to the file
2) see if it is executable
3) If yes, then execute the file and put output into new tab and exit
4) if no, parse first line for #!/path/to/binary
5) if binary found, then execute the binary with the file as a  
parameter and put output into new tab and exit

6) if no, answer with helpful text, then exit

Anyway, that was the idea.


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Re: Rev 4.0 article on TheServerSide

[Andre Garzia]

Actually I think some of the comments have a point. That language
comparision pdf is misleading. Even I could write better code than that in
those languages. I would suggest people on runrev would change that pdf to
present optimum code in C++/C#/JAVA and the like, like, very professional
code and see how well Rev stacks against it, even if they are all one
liners, Rev will be more readable and thus win points. If you post crappy
code, the users of those languages will clearly recognize the pdf as a bad
practice and have a bad impression of the language.

And this is me being very serious which people here don't usually see. I
don't like that pdf at all, I see a marketing gizmo which is not related to
the actual truth. I can write those examples in two or three lines of python
and java and ruby and I am not a good programmer in those languages. Looking
at that text, I see why slashdot and this article have flame comments.

On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Bill Marriott  wrote:

> Jan,
>
>  Prepare for "I'll stick with a real programming language, thank you very
>> much"
>> remarks; but it will hopefully drive traffic to the runrev.com site for
>> Java developers
>>
>> sitting on the fence with JavaFX, Flex,...
>>
>
> Just remember, "Real programmers don't use plain English." :)
>
>
>
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tText plugin

[Generic Email]

I thought I would like to write a tText plugin that would execute the script 
being edited and put the output into another tab.
I didn't see a way to retrieve the full path of the file currently being edited.

So the flow would be something like this:

1) Get the full path to the file
2) see if it is executable
3) If yes, then execute the file and put output into new tab and exit
4) if no, parse first line for #!/path/to/binary
5) if binary found, then execute the binary with the file as a parameter and 
put output into new tab and exit
6) if no, answer with helpful text, then exit

Anyway, that was the idea. 


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Re: Rev 4.0 article on TheServerSide

[Alejandro Tejada]

Actually, the most open minded (or knowledgeable) programmers 
should recognize that RevMedia is similar to:

1) Adobe (Macromedia) Director, (using Quicktime to play Movies,
Externals to add functions, a web plugin to show content in browser
and a remarkable list of similar functions and characteristics.)

2) Visual Basic 6 (if Microsoft ever wanted to make it crossplatform)
Just better and easier to learn.

Jan, you should post about your experience with Java and Runrev.
Bill, Why don't link to Stomfi tutorials for Novell Linux in these answers?

By the way...

i could not found a link to these Stomfi's tutorials in Rev website.

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Re: ICS Functiosn - where to download vObjectPackage.rev

[Andre Garzia]

Oh, is it there :-O

I have like 3 servers and 20 domains, I keep loosing track of where things
are...

On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 3:08 PM, Ian Gordon  wrote:

> I found a copy here.
>
> http://www.soapdog.org/vObjectPackage.rev
>
> thanks to Andre as always!
>
> Ian
>
> 
> >
> > Message: 21
> > Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 22:33:24 -0800
> > From: -= JB =- 
> > Subject: Re: ICS functions Library
> > To: How to use Revolution 
>
> >
> > And where is the stack so others can download it?
> >
> > -=>JB<=-
> >
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> 2009/12/1 Sivakatirswami 
> >>
> >>> stephen barncard wrote:
> >>>
>  Andre Garzia wrote a lib a long, long time ago (2005) - I have it
>  right
>   here. --  you guys are pals, you should ask him.
>  -
>  Stephen Barncard
>  San Francisco
>  http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev
> 
> 
>  Actually I have it, vObjectPackage.rev
> 
> 
> >>>
> >>> and I asked Andre about his date functions, It was he who thought
> >>> I should
> >>> check with the list...
> >>>
> >>> I think it was late Rio and he did not realize his stack had what I
> >>> wanted... you have to open the application browers to see that the
> >>> lib is in
> >>> a separate substack that is not exposed anywhere on the main
> >>> stack. but
> >>> vObjectLib had nearly 100 commands and functions. I need this one in
> >>> particular
> >>>
> >>> function icConvertDate pDate
> >>>  convert pDate to dateitems
> >>>  put item 1 of pDate into tYear
> >>>  put item 2 of pDate into tMonth
> >>>  if len(tMonth) is 1 then put "0" & tMonth into tMonth
> >>>  put item 3 of pDate into tDate
> >>>  if len(tDate) is 1 then put "0" & tDate into tDate
> >>>  put item 4 of pDate into tHours
> >>>  if len(tHours) is 1 then put "0" & tHours into tHours
> >>>  put item 5 of pDate into tMinutes
> >>>  if len(tMinutes) is 1 then put "0" & tMinutes into tMinutes
> >>>  put item 6 of pDate into tSeconds
> >>>  if len(tSeconds) is 1 then put "0" & tSeconds into tSeconds
> >>>  put tYear & tMonth & tDate & "T" & tHours & tMinutes & tSeconds into
> >>> tRetVal
> >>>  return tRetVal
> >>> end icConvertDate
> >>>
> >>> (plus 100's of other interesting functions)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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Re:ICS Functiosn - where to download vObjectPackage.rev

[Ian Gordon]

I found a copy here.

http://www.soapdog.org/vObjectPackage.rev

thanks to Andre as always!

Ian


>
> Message: 21
> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 22:33:24 -0800
> From: -= JB =- 
> Subject: Re: ICS functions Library
> To: How to use Revolution 

>
> And where is the stack so others can download it?
>
> -=>JB<=-
>
>
>>
>>
>> 2009/12/1 Sivakatirswami 
>>
>>> stephen barncard wrote:
>>>
 Andre Garzia wrote a lib a long, long time ago (2005) - I have it
 right
  here. --  you guys are pals, you should ask him.
 -
 Stephen Barncard
 San Francisco
 http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev


 Actually I have it, vObjectPackage.rev


>>>
>>> and I asked Andre about his date functions, It was he who thought
>>> I should
>>> check with the list...
>>>
>>> I think it was late Rio and he did not realize his stack had what I
>>> wanted... you have to open the application browers to see that the
>>> lib is in
>>> a separate substack that is not exposed anywhere on the main
>>> stack. but
>>> vObjectLib had nearly 100 commands and functions. I need this one in
>>> particular
>>>
>>> function icConvertDate pDate
>>>  convert pDate to dateitems
>>>  put item 1 of pDate into tYear
>>>  put item 2 of pDate into tMonth
>>>  if len(tMonth) is 1 then put "0" & tMonth into tMonth
>>>  put item 3 of pDate into tDate
>>>  if len(tDate) is 1 then put "0" & tDate into tDate
>>>  put item 4 of pDate into tHours
>>>  if len(tHours) is 1 then put "0" & tHours into tHours
>>>  put item 5 of pDate into tMinutes
>>>  if len(tMinutes) is 1 then put "0" & tMinutes into tMinutes
>>>  put item 6 of pDate into tSeconds
>>>  if len(tSeconds) is 1 then put "0" & tSeconds into tSeconds
>>>  put tYear & tMonth & tDate & "T" & tHours & tMinutes & tSeconds into
>>> tRetVal
>>>  return tRetVal
>>> end icConvertDate
>>>
>>> (plus 100's of other interesting functions)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: Rev 4.0 article on TheServerSide

[Bill Marriott]

Jan,

Prepare for "I'll stick with a real programming language, thank you very 
much"
remarks; but it will hopefully drive traffic to the runrev.com site for 
Java developers

sitting on the fence with JavaFX, Flex,...


Just remember, "Real programmers don't use plain English." :)



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Re: Rev 4.0 article on TheServerSide

[Jim Kanter]

2nd message—already there.

On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 11:41 AM, Jan Schenkel  wrote:

> Prepare for "I'll stick with a real programming language, thank you very 
> much" remarks
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Rev 4.0 article on TheServerSide

[Jan Schenkel]

Normally a bastion of Java Enterprise related news, this article is all about 
Rev 4 compiling native apps for Mac,Windows and Lunix, coming with a web 
plug-in and revMedia being free.


Prepare for "I'll stick with a real programming language, thank you very much" 
remarks; but it will hopefully drive trafic to the runrev.com site for Java 
developers sitting on the fence with JavaFX, Flex,...

Jan Schenkel
=
Quartam Reports & PDF Library for Revolution


=
"As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time."  (La 
Rochefoucauld)


  
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[ANN] tText users: poll regarding plugins

[Jerry Daniels]

Wild, young, text-crazed Bohemians,

If you are a user of tText, MJ and I were curious...have you created a  
plugin for it? Please vote:


http://reveditor.com/ttext-users-have-you-created-a-plugin

Best,

Jerry Daniels

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[ANN] tRev users: vote for your fav feature

[Jerry Daniels]

tRev-ers,

I'd really like to know what you like about using tRev so far. So, I  
created a poll:


http://reveditor.com/vote-for-your-favorite-trev-feature

Please, this is for users of the product only.

Best,

Jerry Daniels

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RE: Ethics... and the lack of it.

[Alejandro Tejada]

Hi all,

Many thanks for replying to this request.


Jim Bufalini-3 wrote:
> 
> [snip]
> I don't see the "ethics" issue. As the Italian half of my ancestry
> would say (in America), "It's not personal, it's just business." :-)
> 

and


Kay C Lan wrote:
> 
> I agree with Bill and Jim, this isn't ethics, it's business. 
> [snip]
> Of course having other metrics which have been historically recorded and 
> prepared prior to your software, and by which you know you'll be bench 
> marked against, would be the most logical form of determining software's 
> (robot's, employee's, facebook's) value.
> [snip]
> If you've got the metrics, you should be able to verify the value.
> 

and


"All if fair in love and war."  .   .   . and business. 
My work is only worth what somebody else is prepared 
to pay for it:
[snip]
And, as a charming friend of mine once remarked 
(and he is a very successful businessman) "Keep your 
morals for the weekend and the family." 

Not very nice, but fairly near the truth.


Please, tell me if i am understanding correctly comments posted:

a) If a client is able to declare the value of the software that
you created as 10,000 times (for example) the price he paid,
this is fine, always that nobody complaints...

b) To charge a fair price for your effort, you should know,
(fairly well) not only your own programming business, but
your client's business too...

My comment about: a)

Is this another example of "Laissez-faire"??

If it is natural that any client could evaluate himself
(or his accountant) the actual value of their assets,
(without solid facts) then this is a real eye opener
and explains the real devastating dot.com bubble
a few years ago and future economic crashes:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dot-com_bubble

"The dot-com bubble crash wiped out $5 trillion in market value
of technology companies from March 2000 to October 2002."

and

"Nevertheless, laid-off technology experts, such as computer
programmers, found a glutted job market. In the U.S., International
outsourcing and the recently allowed increase of skilled visa
"guest workers" (e.g., those participating in the U.S. H-1B visa program)
exacerbated the situation.[16]
University degree programs for computer-related careers saw a
noticeable drop in new students. Anecdotes of unemployed programmers
going back to school to become accountants or lawyers were common."

My comment about: b)

I have been told that many clients are not so eager to disclose
in full their business to strangers, just to get a bid or appraisal
for a software program. Yes, just as you read.

Clients actually want an upfront price that covers their basics
requisites.

In their mind, software should not be too different (to continue with House
building examples) from Urban development's offerings of houses and
appartments: Full Kitchen, 2 bedrooms, 2 baths, wood burning fireplace,
2 story porch, garage, etc... This cost $$$, if you want more bedrooms,
then add $$$, if you want a pool, then add $$$, etc, etc.

Ideally, software developers should be able to consult their peers about
estimated cost, sales prices and value for the kind of programs they build.

In this mail list there are developers fairly experienced in these areas,
and i have consulted them myself, when i had doubts about the
actual price for some kinds of software development.

Alejandro

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RE: Ethics... and the lack of it.

[Jim Bufalini]

Richmond Mathewson wrote:



> 2 simple reasons:
> 
> 1. The Ransom demanded was 5 times what they paid me.
> 
> 2. They had an extremely valuable meeting with business
>   clients the next day and those documents were among
>   those that had been "hosed".
> 
> Ethics ain't in it.

And Kay C Lan wrote:



> Of course having other metrics which have been historically recorded
> and
> prepared prior to your software, and by which you know you'll be bench
> marked against, would be the most logical form of determining
> software's
> (robot's, employee's, facebook's) value.

This is also called ROI (Return On Investment).

Many years ago, I developed a hardware/software solution for a newspaper
agency. They were kind enough to provide me with their ROI, for my own
marketing purposes. The ROI came out at 92%.

I was shocked, at the time, because I knew for a fact that the system saved
them 6-times what they paid for it (which was around to $200,000) in the
very first 6-months of use! Why not 600 or 1,200 percent?

I studied the ROI and they discounted for this and deducted for that. I
didn't get it. 

Well, as it turns out, 92% was the highest ROI ever of any "IT" system in
the newspaper industry. It was so high that this newspaper JPO (Joint
Production Operation), which was ranked third in revenue in the Gannet chain
of newspapers, at the time, was called on the carpet by Gannet and accused
of "pencil pushing." 

After a "corporate visit," the ROI held at 92%. I was disappointed. I
thought it would go up! A little over a year later, a large vendor to the
newspaper industry bought my company. They knew how newspapers calculate
ROIs and knew that 92% was outrageous and wanted my software. :-)

So, it really isn't ethics. It really is business. Don't take insult, just
learn.

Aloha from Hawaii,

Jim Bufalini





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Swing Browser is in testing

[Richard Miller]

I have entered the testing phase with my new software based on the 
revweb plugin, and would appreciate any and all feedback (negative, 
positive, suggestions whatever) from anyone who wants to check it over.


The site is still rough around the edges... plus, I have little in the 
way of graphics skills, so it doesn't look as cool or tight as it could. 
But functionally, it has all the right pieces. I have about 30 users 
testing it now before it goes public... which won't be until a new 
version of the plugin is released. I've had to work around the ongoing 
revweb problems regarding cursors (no busy, draw or hand cursor), the 
lack of a dependable Answer dialog box, the lack of direct Externals 
support, and a few other things. Hopefully, these will all be fixed 
soon. Also note it does not seem to run under Windows 7 and IE (not sure 
about Firefox).


The main purposes of this site are as follows:

1. Allow users to easily import their sports videos into the system, 
following which they can review their "motion" frame-by-frame. I've set 
the site up generically, so it is as useful to baseball, tennis, etc. as 
it is to golf (my original core focus area).  The software should handle 
most common video formats. It uses ffmpeg to convert any 
non-Quicktime-compatible formats to MOV.


2. Let users compare their motion to professionals (i.e. "model videos" 
in the Directory)


3. Let them easily edit these videos (which are often 20 - 100 mb in 
size coming off the camera) so the file size is 1 mb or so, from which 
they can then quickly send those videos to anyone else for review (using 
just an email address). The receiver views the video in my program. You 
can test this function using the Sample Video (in the Directory) under 
the Imported Videos section. Click on it, then Edit Video.


4. Most importantly, allow pro's to do a voice-over analysis (including 
lines, circles and polygons) of a swing using the Create Analysis button 
in the Compare screen. This analysis can then be quickly sent to others 
(typically students) for review through my site.


5. Make the program easy to use, convenient (since it runs in a 
browser... which is where all the action seems to be these days), and 
inexpensive ($69).


6. Make it Windows, Mac and (soon) Linux compatible.

It's all here:  www.swingbrowser.com

Thanks.
Richard Miller


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Making your app apple (and vb) scriptable

[Malte Pfaff-Brill]

Hi all,

I could use some pointers on this. I would like to make an app  
applescriptable on the mac and if possible vb scriptable on PC. Has  
anybody done this before? Any pointers on what needs to be done?


Cheers,

Malte
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RE: Ethics... and the lack of it.

[Michael Kann]

Hennie Youngman explains business ethics:

You and another guy own a store that sells men's suits. A rich Brazilian comes 
in and buys a suit. When the Brazilian is about to leave you notice that he has 
paid you $100 too much. Here's where the business ethics comes in. Do you tell 
your business partner?






  
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Re: ICS functions Library

[-= JB =-]

Thanks,  Andre

-=>JB<=-


On Dec 2, 2009, at 3:23 AM, Andre Garzia wrote:


Folks,

I lost that library when I lost my laptop! :D

I will get Sivakatirswami copy and post it online. I made that  
library ages
ago, I am a much better programmer now and probably would have  
coded it
differently, but it works as expected. It was very minimalistic  
full of

redundance.

:D

On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 7:34 AM, -= JB =-  wrote:


Okay, thanks for the reply.

-=>JB<=-




On Dec 2, 2009, at 12:09 AM, stephen barncard wrote:

 Again, I mentioned it because it was the only vCal lib that I'd  
heard of.

It
used to be at the soapdog.com site, which doesn't exist. And it's  
not at
andregarzia.com. So at this point it's up to Andre if he wants it  
out

there.
He wrote it a long time ago...

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San Francisco
http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev


2009/12/1 -= JB =- 

 And where is the stack so others can download it?


-=>JB<=-




On Dec 1, 2009, at 10:00 PM, stephen barncard wrote:

 So I don't understand. is your problem solved, or the stack  
is not

the


answer to your problem ?
-
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev


2009/12/1 Sivakatirswami 

 stephen barncard wrote:



 Andre Garzia wrote a lib a long, long time ago (2005) - I  
have it

right


 here. --  you guys are pals, you should ask him.
-
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev


Actually I have it, vObjectPackage.rev



 and I asked Andre about his date functions, It was he who  
thought I

should
check with the list...

I think it was late Rio and he did not realize his stack had  
what I
wanted... you have to open the application browers to see that  
the lib

is
in
a separate substack that is not exposed anywhere on the main  
stack. but
vObjectLib had nearly 100 commands and functions. I need this  
one in

particular

function icConvertDate pDate
 convert pDate to dateitems
 put item 1 of pDate into tYear
 put item 2 of pDate into tMonth
 if len(tMonth) is 1 then put "0" & tMonth into tMonth
 put item 3 of pDate into tDate
 if len(tDate) is 1 then put "0" & tDate into tDate
 put item 4 of pDate into tHours
 if len(tHours) is 1 then put "0" & tHours into tHours
 put item 5 of pDate into tMinutes
 if len(tMinutes) is 1 then put "0" & tMinutes into tMinutes
 put item 6 of pDate into tSeconds
 if len(tSeconds) is 1 then put "0" & tSeconds into tSeconds
 put tYear & tMonth & tDate & "T" & tHours & tMinutes &  
tSeconds into

tRetVal
 return tRetVal
end icConvertDate

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Mucking around with extended non-unicode font

[Richmond Mathewson]

As most people are aware by now, I have a penchant
for mucking around with fonts:

http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/dwriter.html

So, digging around, I came across Apple's in-built DevanagariMT
truetype font which:

1. Is an extended truetype font with 749 characters.

2. of which only those up to 368 have unicode addresses.

They all have decimal addresses.

Does anybody have any bright ideas how to call those
chars above the initial 255?

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This:

on mouseUp
   put numToChar(600) into fld "fSCREEVE"
end mouseUp

gave me no joy at all.

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Re: ICS functions Library

[Andre Garzia]

Folks,

I lost that library when I lost my laptop! :D

I will get Sivakatirswami copy and post it online. I made that library ages
ago, I am a much better programmer now and probably would have coded it
differently, but it works as expected. It was very minimalistic full of
redundance.

:D

On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 7:34 AM, -= JB =-  wrote:

> Okay, thanks for the reply.
>
> -=>JB<=-
>
>
>
>
> On Dec 2, 2009, at 12:09 AM, stephen barncard wrote:
>
>  Again, I mentioned it because it was the only vCal lib that I'd heard of.
>> It
>> used to be at the soapdog.com site, which doesn't exist. And it's not at
>> andregarzia.com. So at this point it's up to Andre if he wants it out
>> there.
>> He wrote it a long time ago...
>>
>>  -
>> Stephen Barncard
>> San Francisco
>> http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev
>>
>>
>> 2009/12/1 -= JB =- 
>>
>>  And where is the stack so others can download it?
>>>
>>> -=>JB<=-
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Dec 1, 2009, at 10:00 PM, stephen barncard wrote:
>>>
>>>  So I don't understand. is your problem solved, or the stack is not
>>> the
>>>
 answer to your problem ?
 -
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 San Francisco
 http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev


 2009/12/1 Sivakatirswami 

  stephen barncard wrote:

>
>  Andre Garzia wrote a lib a long, long time ago (2005) - I have it
> right
>
>>  here. --  you guys are pals, you should ask him.
>> -
>> Stephen Barncard
>> San Francisco
>> http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev
>>
>>
>> Actually I have it, vObjectPackage.rev
>>
>>
>>
>>  and I asked Andre about his date functions, It was he who thought I
> should
> check with the list...
>
> I think it was late Rio and he did not realize his stack had what I
> wanted... you have to open the application browers to see that the lib
> is
> in
> a separate substack that is not exposed anywhere on the main stack. but
> vObjectLib had nearly 100 commands and functions. I need this one in
> particular
>
> function icConvertDate pDate
>  convert pDate to dateitems
>  put item 1 of pDate into tYear
>  put item 2 of pDate into tMonth
>  if len(tMonth) is 1 then put "0" & tMonth into tMonth
>  put item 3 of pDate into tDate
>  if len(tDate) is 1 then put "0" & tDate into tDate
>  put item 4 of pDate into tHours
>  if len(tHours) is 1 then put "0" & tHours into tHours
>  put item 5 of pDate into tMinutes
>  if len(tMinutes) is 1 then put "0" & tMinutes into tMinutes
>  put item 6 of pDate into tSeconds
>  if len(tSeconds) is 1 then put "0" & tSeconds into tSeconds
>  put tYear & tMonth & tDate & "T" & tHours & tMinutes & tSeconds into
> tRetVal
>  return tRetVal
> end icConvertDate
>
> (plus 100's of other interesting functions)
>
>
>
>
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Re: ICS functions Library

[-= JB =-]

Okay, thanks for the reply.

-=>JB<=-



On Dec 2, 2009, at 12:09 AM, stephen barncard wrote:

Again, I mentioned it because it was the only vCal lib that I'd  
heard of. It
used to be at the soapdog.com site, which doesn't exist. And it's  
not at
andregarzia.com. So at this point it's up to Andre if he wants it  
out there.

He wrote it a long time ago...

 -
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev


2009/12/1 -= JB =- 


And where is the stack so others can download it?

-=>JB<=-




On Dec 1, 2009, at 10:00 PM, stephen barncard wrote:

 So I don't understand. is your problem solved, or the stack  
is not the

answer to your problem ?
-
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev


2009/12/1 Sivakatirswami 

 stephen barncard wrote:


 Andre Garzia wrote a lib a long, long time ago (2005) - I have  
it right

 here. --  you guys are pals, you should ask him.
-
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev


Actually I have it, vObjectPackage.rev




and I asked Andre about his date functions, It was he who thought I
should
check with the list...

I think it was late Rio and he did not realize his stack had what I
wanted... you have to open the application browers to see that  
the lib is

in
a separate substack that is not exposed anywhere on the main  
stack. but
vObjectLib had nearly 100 commands and functions. I need this  
one in

particular

function icConvertDate pDate
 convert pDate to dateitems
 put item 1 of pDate into tYear
 put item 2 of pDate into tMonth
 if len(tMonth) is 1 then put "0" & tMonth into tMonth
 put item 3 of pDate into tDate
 if len(tDate) is 1 then put "0" & tDate into tDate
 put item 4 of pDate into tHours
 if len(tHours) is 1 then put "0" & tHours into tHours
 put item 5 of pDate into tMinutes
 if len(tMinutes) is 1 then put "0" & tMinutes into tMinutes
 put item 6 of pDate into tSeconds
 if len(tSeconds) is 1 then put "0" & tSeconds into tSeconds
 put tYear & tMonth & tDate & "T" & tHours & tMinutes & tSeconds  
into

tRetVal
 return tRetVal
end icConvertDate

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Re: Ethics... and the lack of it.

[Richmond Mathewson]

"All if fair in love and war."  .   .   . and business.

My work is only worth what somebody else is prepared
to pay for it:

I installed Mint Linux on somebody's PC and they paid me
at the going rate as it was not mission critical for their
business.

Somebody else paid me a LARGE amount of money to
sit up with their Windows 2000 PC that had had 5000
lawyer's confidential records on it and had been hit
by a ransomware attack: and to get back all those
records - 2 simple reasons:

1. The Ransom demanded was 5 times what they paid me.

2. They had an extremely valuable meeting with business
 clients the next day and those documents were among
 those that had been "hosed".

Ethics ain't in it.



And, as a charming friend of mine once remarked
(and he is a very successful businessman) "Keep your
morals for the weekend and the family."

Not very nice, but fairly near the truth.

c.f. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crazy_people
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Re: Ethics... and the lack of it.

[Kay C Lan]

Alejandro,

I agree with Bill and Jim, this isn't ethics, it's business.

Continuing with Bill's decking analogy.

If you asked a bunch of builders how much his $10,000 deck was worth, I
imagine you'd get a bunch of quotes on how much each of these guys would
charge to build the same thing. On the other hand, if you knew how much the
home was worth before the deck was built, asking a few Real Estate Agents
for appraisals would give you the increase in value. Unfortunately, as
current events prove, there are a lot of other things that can effect home
prices, so even with a new deck, the current selling price might be half
what it was six months earlier:-(

With software, if you ask a bunch of software developers how much a piece of
software is worth, I assume they are going to quote you how much time and
effort it would take them and therefore how much they would charge to
reproduce the same. If you wanted to know how much it was worth to the
company, surely the Company accountant would be the one to peruse the
balance sheet and determine increased revenue since the implementation of
the software. Unfortunately, as current events prove, there are a lot of
other things that can effect revenue, so even with new software, revenue may
be on a downward slide compared to six months earlier.

Of course having other metrics which have been historically recorded and
prepared prior to your software, and by which you know you'll be bench
marked against, would be the most logical form of determining software's
(robot's, employee's, facebook's) value. The old 'we use to have 10 Data
Entry personal manually inputting 1000 records an hour, the new software
requires no personal and inputs 1,100 records an hour.' The company may
still go out of business, but at least you can say to another company, my
$1000 software can cut your employee budget by 10% and increase productivity
by 10%.

If you've got the metrics, you should be able to verify the value.
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Re: ICS functions Library

[stephen barncard]

Again, I mentioned it because it was the only vCal lib that I'd heard of. It
used to be at the soapdog.com site, which doesn't exist. And it's not at
andregarzia.com. So at this point it's up to Andre if he wants it out there.
He wrote it a long time ago...

 -
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev


2009/12/1 -= JB =- 

> And where is the stack so others can download it?
>
> -=>JB<=-
>
>
>
>
> On Dec 1, 2009, at 10:00 PM, stephen barncard wrote:
>
>  So I don't understand. is your problem solved, or the stack is not the
>> answer to your problem ?
>> -
>> Stephen Barncard
>> San Francisco
>> http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev
>>
>>
>> 2009/12/1 Sivakatirswami 
>>
>>  stephen barncard wrote:
>>>
>>>  Andre Garzia wrote a lib a long, long time ago (2005) - I have it right
  here. --  you guys are pals, you should ask him.
 -
 Stephen Barncard
 San Francisco
 http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev


 Actually I have it, vObjectPackage.rev



>>> and I asked Andre about his date functions, It was he who thought I
>>> should
>>> check with the list...
>>>
>>> I think it was late Rio and he did not realize his stack had what I
>>> wanted... you have to open the application browers to see that the lib is
>>> in
>>> a separate substack that is not exposed anywhere on the main stack. but
>>> vObjectLib had nearly 100 commands and functions. I need this one in
>>> particular
>>>
>>> function icConvertDate pDate
>>>  convert pDate to dateitems
>>>  put item 1 of pDate into tYear
>>>  put item 2 of pDate into tMonth
>>>  if len(tMonth) is 1 then put "0" & tMonth into tMonth
>>>  put item 3 of pDate into tDate
>>>  if len(tDate) is 1 then put "0" & tDate into tDate
>>>  put item 4 of pDate into tHours
>>>  if len(tHours) is 1 then put "0" & tHours into tHours
>>>  put item 5 of pDate into tMinutes
>>>  if len(tMinutes) is 1 then put "0" & tMinutes into tMinutes
>>>  put item 6 of pDate into tSeconds
>>>  if len(tSeconds) is 1 then put "0" & tSeconds into tSeconds
>>>  put tYear & tMonth & tDate & "T" & tHours & tMinutes & tSeconds into
>>> tRetVal
>>>  return tRetVal
>>> end icConvertDate
>>>
>>> (plus 100's of other interesting functions)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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