Re: Uniqueness of Group IDs

[J. Landman Gay]

Len Morgan wrote:

And to keep this line of questioning going, it seems I can't list the 
controls on a card, at least not by using:


put the number of controls of card 1 of stack pStack into 
theNumberOfControls


It works here. Double-check that your stack reference is correct. Or 
just set the defaultstack to the one you're interested in, and drop the 
stack reference entirely from the command. That's usually easier besides.


I thought maybe I'd just "select" the card first, then put the number of 
controls into theNumberOfControls,
but that gives me the error: Can't select an object that isn't open.  So 
it appears I can read the script of a card

that isn't open but I can't select the card.


Cards can't be selected. You can go to them, or refer to them, or get 
their contents in various ways, but they aren't technically either 
objects or controls themselves. They're more like containers. But for 
what you're doing, you don't need to select the card, just refer to it.


--
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HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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Re: Uniqueness of Group IDs

[Richard Gaskin]

Len Morgan wrote:


Is the group ID unique in a stack or could I have a group 1010 on one
card and group 1010 on a different card that is a completely different
group?  I know group IDs can be repeated in different stacks but I
specifically concerned with group IDs in a single stack.


There is one serial number incrementer in a given atack, and every 
object is assigned the next available ID from that incrementer 
regardless of the object's type.


You'll find that the first card of a new stack is always ID 1002, and 
every object added after that increments from there up.


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Re: Uniqueness of Group IDs

[Mark Wieder]

Len-

Saturday, January 16, 2010, 7:34:48 PM, you wrote:

> And to keep this line of questioning going, it seems I can't list the
> controls on a card, at least not by using:

> put the number of controls of card 1 of stack pStack into 
> theNumberOfControls

> I thought maybe I'd just "select" the card first, then put the number of
> controls into theNumberOfControls,
> but that gives me the error: Can't select an object that isn't open.  So
> it appears I can read the script of a card
> that isn't open but I can't select the card.

try

push card
go invisible card "whatever" of stack pStack
do your thang
pop card

...and yes, group ids are unique.

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Re: Uniqueness of Group IDs

[Len Morgan]

On 1/16/2010 9:16 PM, Len Morgan wrote:
Now that Sarah solved my card name problems, I have a question about 
groups on stacks.


I don't want to print out the script of a group more than once if it's 
repeated on several cards.  My question is:


Is the group ID unique in a stack or could I have a group 1010 on one 
card and group 1010 on a different card that is a completely different 
group?  I know group IDs can be repeated in different stacks but I 
specifically concerned with group IDs in a single stack.


Thanks in advance,

len morgan
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And to keep this line of questioning going, it seems I can't list the 
controls on a card, at least not by using:


put the number of controls of card 1 of stack pStack into 
theNumberOfControls


I thought maybe I'd just "select" the card first, then put the number of 
controls into theNumberOfControls,
but that gives me the error: Can't select an object that isn't open.  So 
it appears I can read the script of a card

that isn't open but I can't select the card.

I'm getting really confused.

len
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Uniqueness of Group IDs

[Len Morgan]

Now that Sarah solved my card name problems, I have a question about 
groups on stacks.


I don't want to print out the script of a group more than once if it's 
repeated on several cards.  My question is:


Is the group ID unique in a stack or could I have a group 1010 on one 
card and group 1010 on a different card that is a completely different 
group?  I know group IDs can be repeated in different stacks but I 
specifically concerned with group IDs in a single stack.


Thanks in advance,

len morgan
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Re: Can't seem to print the script of a card

[Len Morgan]

On 1/16/2010 8:51 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 12:39 PM, Len Morgan  wrote:
   

I'm trying to write a recursive stack printer and I'm having trouble with
"unnamed" cards (i.e., cards that have the default name of "card id 1002").

I use the following:

on printCards pStack
put the cardNames of stack pStack into theCards

repeat for each line c of theCards
put the script of card c of stack pStack into theScript
...
end repeat
end printCards

I get an error saying "Can't find card"  every time I hit a card that has
never been named.  Is this not possible or am I doing something wrong?
 

The problem is that the default description for an un-named card
includes the word "card".
So you are effectively telling the script to print "card card id
1002", which does not exist.

You might be better using the cardIDs instead of the cardNames to
populate the original list.

Cheers,
Sarah
   


Thanks Sarah, that worked perfectly.

len
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Re: Can't seem to print the script of a card

[Sarah Reichelt]

On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 12:39 PM, Len Morgan  wrote:
> I'm trying to write a recursive stack printer and I'm having trouble with
> "unnamed" cards (i.e., cards that have the default name of "card id 1002").
>
> I use the following:
>
> on printCards pStack
>    put the cardNames of stack pStack into theCards
>
>    repeat for each line c of theCards
>        put the script of card c of stack pStack into theScript
>        ...
>    end repeat
> end printCards
>
> I get an error saying "Can't find card"  every time I hit a card that has
> never been named.  Is this not possible or am I doing something wrong?

The problem is that the default description for an un-named card
includes the word "card".
So you are effectively telling the script to print "card card id
1002", which does not exist.

You might be better using the cardIDs instead of the cardNames to
populate the original list.

Cheers,
Sarah
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Can't seem to print the script of a card

[Len Morgan]

I'm trying to write a recursive stack printer and I'm having trouble 
with "unnamed" cards (i.e., cards that have the default name of "card id 
1002").


I use the following:

on printCards pStack
put the cardNames of stack pStack into theCards

repeat for each line c of theCards
put the script of card c of stack pStack into theScript
...
end repeat
end printCards

I get an error saying "Can't find card"  every time I hit a card that 
has never been named.  Is this not possible or am I doing something wrong?


len morgan
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Re: DataGrid - not drawing fully in standalone - RESOLVED

[zryip theSlug]

2010/1/16 Richard Gaskin :

> 

Hi Richard,

This is doing same for me.

As soon as a button in a substack shared the same behavior than in the
mainstack, the both buttons doesn't work.

If a button is in the mainstack and there is none button with the same
behavior in the substack, it resolves its behavior
If a button is in the substack, it doesn't resolve its behavior.
If a button with an other behavior is in the mainstack but not in the
substack, it resolves its behavior, while the other button of your
test stack doesn't work.

Richard, it could be useful that you add in the "behavior test." a
button linked to a second behavior in the library in order to
illustrate that the behavior is only blocked when the same behavior is
called in the substack.

I'm not familiar with this feature yet, but looks like a bug.

-- 
-Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc
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[ANN] Tired of opening the same stacks over and over?

[Jerry Daniels]

tRev users and aficionados,

You really can avoid the painful, repetitive use of the Rev menu in  
opening your stacks! Just click a link in tRev's Scratch Pad and the  
stack is automatically stored in memory so you can work on its code.  
You don't even have to have it showing in Rev to do so. Big plus: less  
clutter; less mind-numbing tasks!


That's right! In addition to having fast access to a handler on which  
you were laboring, the tRev Scratch Pad also functions a work space.  
Watch tRev's Scratch Pad and Object Browser perform a virtual hat  
trick performing as a (1) handler navigator, (2) a stack loader and  
(3) a stack viewer:


http://reveditor.com/tired-of-opening-the-same-stacks-over-and-ove

Want to go to that stack you have in memory now? Open the tRev Object  
Browser, select the stack name (or any object in it) and click the Go  
To column button or just type g. BAM! Your stack is now visible in Rev  
and you can work on it's properties or whatever.

[[posterous-content:0ljHKCasS4iQXumHRgaM]]

This little hat trick not only saves me OODLES of time, but it also  
keeps me from going postal (on a rampage with a rifle).


Jerry Daniels

The latest Rev Editor Video:
http://reveditor.com/scratch-pad-links-to-your-fav-handlers

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Re: DataGrid - not drawing fully in standalone - RESOLVED

[Richard Gaskin]

Andre Bisseret wrote:


Le 16 janv. 10 à 15:59, Richard Gaskin a écrit :


It's a long story as to how I was able to pin this down, but more
relevant is this test I've put together to illustrate the issue in
isolation:



The ReadMe file included in that archive describes the steps needed
to reproduce this issue, and explains what appears to be happening
there.

If you or any of the other readers of this list feel like running
that test it would be useful to get your confirmation before I
submit this to the RQCC.

...

Bonjour Richard,

I ran your test.
All happened exactly like your describe it in your "read me"
(Mac OSX 10.5.8; Rev 4.0)


Thanks for confirming that.

So what do you think:  is it a bug, a documentation error, or a user error?

Or maybe a better question would be:  What would you prefer it to do?

--
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Re: Re: AnimationEngine Arcade "shooter" strategy?

[Malte Pfaff-Brill]

ss wrote: 

> there is no notation of "aeStopMove" listed in there..

You are absolutely correct. 
Not documenting essential commands is a strategy to generate traffic on the 
lists. Jokes aside: I´m sorry.
That command sliped through in the documentation.

addendum: 

aeStopMoving "all"

Will stop all controls that are currently moved using aeMoveTo.

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Re: [ANN] Megabundle sale ends after Monday

[Richmond Mathewson]

On 16/01/2010 18:55, Jerry Daniels wrote:

Bundle lovers,


Are presumably people who are bundled:

"Bundling, or Tarrying, was the traditional practice of wrapping one 
person in a bed accompanied by another, usually as a part of courting 
behavior."


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundling_(tradition)

Awfully sorry, just couldn't resist it.

Love, Richmond.
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Re: DataGrid - not drawing fully in standalone - RESOLVED

[Andre.Bisseret]

Le 16 janv. 10 à 15:59, Richard Gaskin a écrit :


It's a long story as to how I was able to pin this down, but more  
relevant is this test I've put together to illustrate the issue in  
isolation:




The ReadMe file included in that archive describes the steps needed  
to reproduce this issue, and explains what appears to be happening  
there.


If you or any of the other readers of this list feel like running  
that test it would be useful to get your confirmation before I  
submit this to the RQCC.

...

Bonjour Richard,

I ran your test.
All happened exactly like your describe it in your "read me"
(Mac OSX 10.5.8; Rev 4.0)

Best regards from Grenoble
André




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[ANN] Megabundle sale ends after Monday

[Jerry Daniels]

Bundle lovers,

Since I have not seen the posted here, I thought I might mention that  
the RevSelect Megabundle sale ($4000 worth of software for $499) is  
still good through Monday. After that, it is no more.


You can read more about the Megabundle here:

   http://www.runrev.com/products/mega-bundle-09/

Best,

Jerry Daniels

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[OT] TwistAWord support Haiti

[Mark Schonewille]

Dear Revolution gang,

Since we're with a lot of software developers here, while quite a few  
of you sell their software on-line, you might want to know about Indie 
+Relief. An inititative to support the victims of the Haiti disaster.  
If you are interested, have a look at .


The RunRev-based word game TwistAWord will be one of the products  
participating in Indie+Relief. If you buy TwistAWord on 20 January  
2010, the revenues will go to Haiti. You can find more info about  
TwistAWord at .


--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer

TwistAWord supports Haiti. Buy a license for this word game at http://www.twistaword.net 
 and support the earthquake victims.


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Re: A funny story: parent script for stack

[Jerry Daniels]

You are entirely welcome, André!

Best,

Jerry Daniels

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On Jan 16, 2010, at 4:59 AM, Andre.Bisseret wrote:

Once upon a time (yesterday:), in order to get the same script for  
several list fields of a substack, I created a button as a behavior  
on this substack.
Its script included a visual effect and a "find the selectedLine of  
list fields" (in order to go to a corresponding .card).


Then, from the message box, I set the behavior of several list  
fields to the long ID of this button.


I got a festival of visual effects

Clicking on any locked field triggered a visual effet, often 2 or 3  
in a row! and this even on the main stack of the substack!
More, I was getting the same when selecting any row in any data  
grids of  the main stack!!!


Well, first of all, I tested If knocking at the door of my office  
triggered the same series of visual effect on my stack ;-o)) No!  
bizarre!


At last, I noticed that, on my tRev window, the substack was flagged  
as having a "Parent script"!
Ouups! I had inadvertently set the behavior of the substack to the  
behavior button (I had not think yet this was possible).


So I set the behavior of stack "mySubstack" to empty.
"bam" (as Jerry says ;-); all was in order!
THE END

So, as stacks can inherit a behavior, why this property is not  
included at the bottom of the basic properties pane of the  
Inspector, as it is for fields and buttons?


Once more : thank you Jerry for your superb tRev tool :-)

Best regards from Grenoble

André

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Re: DataGrid - not drawing fully in standalone - RESOLVED

[Richard Gaskin]

Thank you Terry and Trevor for your feedback.

Trevor wrote:

> On Jan 15, 2010, at 7:38 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>
>> I have a DataGrid which works fine in the IDE, but in a standalone
>> it draws only the appropriate number of alternating lines but no
>> contents in those rows.
>>
>> Because the problem is limited to the standalone it's difficult to
>> pin down; I hope to have more details as I continue to poke around.
>
> How is the revDataGridLibrary being included when you build the
> standalone? I ask because I've seen problems with behaviors not
> being resolved properly if the Data Grid library isn't in memory
> when the stack with the Data Grid group controls loads.

I found a suitable workaround by simply resetting the behavior of my DG 
in the initialization script of the stack that it's in:


set the behavior of grp "dgResults" to \
   the behavior of grp "dgResults"

But since this was just a workaround to let me get back to work, I still 
wanted to figure out what was going on.


I finally resolved it this morning.  Here's the bottom line, discovered 
after quite a bit of experimentation:


It appears that if any behavior is unresolved at runtime, the engine 
will fail to resolve any other behavior assignments it subsequently 
encounters which reference the same behavior object, even ones occurring 
after the behavior object has been safely loaded.


This may or may not be documented, depending on how you interpret this 
note from the ParentScriptNotes.txt file:


  Once resolution has failed for a parentScript reference, no attempt
  will be made to resolve it again *unless* the parentScript of an
  object is set to the same reference.

In my reading, "no attempt will be made to resolve it again" applies to 
the instance rather than the referenced object, implying that any given 
instance using a behavior will be attempted only once, but that each 
instance will indeed be attempted.


If that were the case, then if a behavior is defined in a library 
stackfile I would expect any object using that library to fail until 
that library has been loaded (for behaviors I load using the suggested 
"is a stack" test), but any object referencing the same behavior object 
loaded after the behavior library has been loaded should succeed.


In my tests, this appears not to be the case.  Instead, it seems that 
once any object attempting to use a referenced behavior cannot be 
resolved, any objects loaded later which reference the same behavior 
object will not be resolved, even if the behavior object has been loaded 
in the meantime.


In short, one mistake can make a lot of non-mistakes non-workable. :(

Perhaps by "*unless* the parentScript of an object is set to the same 
reference" they mean "reset again in script" rather than simply having 
been set in advance; with new stuff like this it's understandably easy 
to write ambiguously.


It's a long story as to how I was able to pin this down, but more 
relevant is this test I've put together to illustrate the issue in 
isolation:




The ReadMe file included in that archive describes the steps needed to 
reproduce this issue, and explains what appears to be happening there.


If you or any of the other readers of this list feel like running that 
test it would be useful to get your confirmation before I submit this to 
the RQCC.


I'm also open to the idea that this may be merely a documentation issue 
rather than an engine bug; if the current failure to resolve instance 
references seems reasonable to you, perhaps simply clarifying the 
ambiguity in the notes (and expanding the rather sparse Dictionary entry 
for behavior to include that) would suffice.



There is a second consideration here as well:

Currently the engine attempts to resolve all behavior references 
throughout a stack file, whether or not any of those substacks have been 
directly accessed in any way.


This means that anyone wishing to use libraries which define behaviors 
as external stack files must take care to make sure that any stacks that 
use such libs are also external to the standalone stack file.


It would seem to offer more flexibility for the developer if behavior 
references were resolved only when:

- the stack is opened
- the stack is brought into use with "start using"
- any of its objects are put into the frontScripts or backScripts

This may be a low priority for most folks, and is usually not an issue 
for me since my own framework externalizes everything (even the Splash 
screen, using only the slimmest possible stack in the executable itself).


But there may be times when it can be convenient to simply have UI 
stacks as substacks in the executable, while still having the libraries 
that drive them in separate stackfiles.


Your opinions on whether this is useful enough to pursue would be 
appreciated.



I should also note that while the Rev v3.5 DP1 ParentScriptNotes.txt 
describes a resolutionErro

Re: RunRev and old standalone choices?

[Richmond Mathewson]

On 15/01/2010 15:24, Jan Schenkel wrote:

--- On Fri, 1/15/10, Richmond Mathewson  wrote:
   

Hi Richmond

The last version or rev that supported other platforms
   

than Mac, Windows and Linux, is version 2.2.1 - and you can
use the Linux 2.5.1 distribution with 'Nix engines of
version 2.2.1
 

Steer your browser to:

and search for 'Unix' - it's about 1/3 from the top of
   

the page.
 

HTH,

Jan Schenkel

   

Thanks, Jan, for your help.

Would you know where I could download 2.2.1 for Mac
&/or Windows from?

 

All this stuff used to be on the funrev.com FTP site, but has been removed a 
while ago.

Through a bit of URL swizzling, I found the Windows download:



And here's the MacOS 'Classic' download:


But I couldn't find the MacOS X download.

Another challenge is the license key - I believe this version didn't have the 
10-lines-limited free edition anymore, but required a license key from the 
mothership, sent to you upon registering the download.
   


That is correct.

However, as RunRev claim that RR 4 is better than RR 2.2.1 (which is 
obviously no true completely
across the board) they might "do the decent thing" and offer all holders 
of Licensed versions more recent

than 2.2.1 free licensed copies of 2.2.1 . . . .  :)

Actually, as my RR 4 licence works for 3.5 as well (), and as RR 4 
supposedly obviates all previous
versions I don't see why RunRev should object to licensed users having 
access to both all previous

downloads and licences for them.

HTH,

Jan Schenkel
   


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Re: [FR] Question pour la communauté fra ncophone

[Jérôme Rosat]

Merci pour le lien. Je ne connaissais pas cette liste.

Le 15 janv. 2010 à 22:29, Medard a écrit :

> Jérôme Rosat  wrote:
> 
>> J'ai l'impression que la communauté francophone de la liste Revolution se
>> compte sur les dix doigts des mains. Dommage. Je comprends mieux
>> maintenant pourquoi RunRev ne tient pas compte d'autres langages.
> 
> il y a sans doute beaucoup de ROMs (read only members)
> 
> sur la liste francophone hébergée par Yahoo, il y avait en octobre
> dernier 107 membres !
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: AnimationEngine Arcade "shooter" strategy?

[Shao Sean]

I checked the documentation stack before posting the list and after  
Malte replied and there is no notation of "aeStopMove" listed in  
there.. Even using the search field returns two unrelated results..

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A funny story: parent script for stack

[Andre.Bisseret]

Once upon a time (yesterday:), in order to get the same script for  
several list fields of a substack, I created a button as a behavior on  
this substack.
 Its script included a visual effect and a "find the selectedLine of  
list fields" (in order to go to a corresponding .card).


Then, from the message box, I set the behavior of several list fields  
to the long ID of this button.


I got a festival of visual effects

Clicking on any locked field triggered a visual effet, often 2 or 3 in  
a row! and this even on the main stack of the substack!
More, I was getting the same when selecting any row in any data grids  
of  the main stack!!!


Well, first of all, I tested If knocking at the door of my office  
triggered the same series of visual effect on my stack ;-o)) No!  
bizarre!


At last, I noticed that, on my tRev window, the substack was flagged  
as having a "Parent script"!
Ouups! I had inadvertently set the behavior of the substack to the  
behavior button (I had not think yet this was possible).


So I set the behavior of stack "mySubstack" to empty.
"bam" (as Jerry says ;-); all was in order!
THE END

So, as stacks can inherit a behavior, why this property is not  
included at the bottom of the basic properties pane of the Inspector,  
as it is for fields and buttons?


Once more : thank you Jerry for your superb tRev tool :-)

Best regards from Grenoble

André

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Re: Ask window and foreign language

[Phil Davis]

LOL - maybe I should have said:

 set the label of btn "Cancel" of stack "ask dialog" to ""

;-)



On 1/16/10 12:34 AM, Mark Wieder wrote:

Phil-

Saturday, January 16, 2010, 12:16:08 AM, you wrote:

   

Try this:
 
   

  set the label of btn "Cancel" of stack "ask dialog" to ""
  ask "Use what value?"
 

I fell asleep waiting for an answer...

   


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Re: Re-2: On-Rev subdomain (main domain hosted elsewhere)

[stephen barncard]

On-Rev MySQL as well as most MySQL installations are secured by IP, but you
can use the wildcard "%" instead for any IP.
This true at On-Rev.
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2010/1/15 Joe F. 

> This is very interesting discussion to me and I'm sure it will be something
> that comes up for a lot of other on-rev users.
> So, if possible, I hope one of you can follow up with a report on which
> method is better/easier, or has any problems in actual use.
>
> I haven't toyed with it on on-rev yet, but I know that other ISPs limit
> remote access to things like MySQL based on IP addresses.
> This kind of thing would be a problem for running a separate secure on-rev
> subdomain for transactions from another server, so if there's a definitive
> way to do it I think it might be useful to get the Rev folk to publish it to
> the website.
>
> Thanks,
> Joe F.
>
>
>
> On Jan 10, 2010, at 4:54 PM, David Bovill wrote:
>
>  2010/1/10 
>>
>>  Hi,
>>>
>>> a cname is an alias for an other domain.
>>> That means it points directly to your on-rev domain.
>>> e.g. shop.yourdomain.com would point directly  to yourname.on-rev.com
>>> The same pages would be shown.
>>>
>>> With an a-record you can use this subdomain as a real domain on the
>>> on-rev
>>> system.
>>> You could have different folders for shop.yourdomain.com and
>>> yourname.on-rev.com
>>> So it would be possible to show different content for each domain.
>>>
>>>
>> OK yes - but why not just set up say:
>>
>>  - http://subdomain.david.on-rev.com/
>>
>> And then point the C name record as:
>>
>>  - subdomain.mydomain.com  =>  subdomain.david.on-rev.com ?
>>
>> I'd still have different folders on on-rev - but are you saying that I'd
>> have different root folders and that
>> http://subdomain.david.on-rev.com/would then not ALSO point to
>> subdomain.david.on-rev.com ? Still a bit confused - thanks for you
>> patience!
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Re: Ask window and foreign language

[Mark Wieder]

Phil-

Saturday, January 16, 2010, 12:16:08 AM, you wrote:

> Try this:

>  set the label of btn "Cancel" of stack "ask dialog" to ""
>  ask "Use what value?"

I fell asleep waiting for an answer...

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Re: Ask window and foreign language

[Ludovic Thébault]

Le 16 janv. 10 à 09:16, Phil Davis a écrit :



Try this:

   set the label of btn "Cancel" of stack "ask dialog" to ""
   ask "Use what value?"

Phil


So simply ! Thanks !

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Re: Ask window and foreign language

[Phil Davis]

Try this:

set the label of btn "Cancel" of stack "ask dialog" to ""
ask "Use what value?"

Phil


On 1/15/10 11:59 PM, Ludovic Thébault wrote:

Hello,

It is possible to translate the "Cancel" button in the ask window ?

Thanks.


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