Re: an annual calendar somewhere?
Bonjour Zryip, Le 27 févr. 10 à 20:21, zryip theSlug a écrit : … … To fix this bug, replace the pad part by this new portion: -- Pad beginning with empty days: put createDate(tYear,tMonthNumber,1) into tStartDay convert tStartDay to dateitems get last item of tStartDay if (pFirstDayWeek is Monday) then if (it = 1) then put 6 into tPad -- fix the case that the day is Sunday (value 1) - 2 = - 1 else put (it - 2) into tPad end if else put (it - 1) into tPad end if repeat for tPad put after tCal end repeat Nice! all is OK now … … Now a little trick with my code. It could give you free times if you have missed it ;) You are really considerate ;-)) How to create an easy loop to add months: put createDate(2010,1,1) into tStartDate -- Create the January, 1 2010 in your local language system repeat with tMonthNumber = 0 to 11 -- Create months for January (1) to December (12) put cal(addToDate(tStartDate,0,tMonthNumber,0),Monday) cr after fld MyField end repeat Thanks a lot. That's working like a charm. The 12 months are created very fast. Magnifique! (table or lines as well :-)) I am doing trials to improve my in lines layout : I think I will keep only one line for the days of weeks at the top of the field and I will isolate the months' names in an extra field on the left (to avoid that a month'name be selected when dragging from the end of a month to the beginning of the following one. Have a nice week Best regards from Grenoble André ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: fonts: what is a point in Linux/Gnome?
This is really puzzling. The thing I do see is that Rev's IDE on Linux is grotesquely small, and the dictionary font is grotesquely small. I'm really surprised in this age of political correctness that Rev considers it acceptable because it must be simply unusable by a substantial minority of the population. But I can't see that my desktop icons or panels or any other UI elements are materially different in size from the way they are in Windows. And if they are, you just resize them, surely? But as to the fonts, I fired up Rev, created a stack with a field in it, then put the font size to 12, and opened up OpenOffice and did the same thing. Its true. Rev looks like its about 6 point, and OO looks normal 12 point. After you find one of the few fonts they will both display! So which is wrong? The answer surely must be Rev. All other applications on Linux work just fine and display the fonts in the same way. Rev is doing something unaccountably different. Its exactly the same as which fonts they display. All the other apps find the same fonts. Its exactly the same as desktops, all the other apps allow them to be used. Its not Linux. Its not even Gnome, because it doesn't matter which window manager you use. Its Rev. Its got to be fixed. -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/fonts-what-is-a-point-in-Linux-Gnome-tp1573008p1573367.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: an annual calendar somewhere?
Bonjour Robert, Le 28 févr. 10 à 23:26, Robert Cole a écrit : André: I continue to have fun with your calendar question. Am very glad to hear that :-) I just uploaded another stack called Calendar Lines that produces a one-line-per-month format. I downloaded it; really nice look :-) It also allows you to transpose the calendar into a one-column-per- month. Yeess! that's very good: I am still hesitating between the two formats. I wrote a transpose function that uses the split command and the extents function. I am going to study your script : I still have to get familiar with these functions, and more familiar with arrays (I began to use them a bit when Trevor' data grid appears; but I must confess that, up to now, I use them only when it is very necessary ;-) I haven't tried to select a range of dates, yet. I tried but seems not possible in a table field (?) Up to now, I am using a simple text field (with tab stops). Then I can select ranges of dates; but I am going to suppress the months'names at the beginning of the lines and to put them in an extra field on the left of the main field. So that I be able to select ranges including last days of one month and first days of the following month without including the name of the second month. Thanks a lot for your attention and your Calendar Lines Best regards from Grenoble André ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: an annual calendar somewhere?
André, I haven't tried to select a range of dates, yet. I tried but seems not possible in a table field (?) in the property inspector for the field of stack calendar lines go to tables, unselect crevTable, than in the basic properties make shure lock text is true and traversal on is checked. Then you can select text in the field. regards Bernd -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/an-annual-calendar-somewhere-tp1569025p1573418.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Ideas to simulate a multithreaded sockets server
Hi, I made some progress on this topic and I think I Rev+CGI can do the job. While waiting for revServer, I decided to try CGI with Rev to see if it fits my needs. Of course, I had to use the 3.5 standalone engine, as v4.0.0 does not include the standalone engine anymore. First of all, I searched for a multiplatform, tiny, easy-to-install-and-configure web server on the market. Of course there is Apache, but I found Abyss Web Server by aprelium (http://www.aprelium.com/abyssws/). There is a free version for personal use and for commercial use it's only $59. It supports Windows, Linux, Mac, FreeBSD. The web server setup is easy and done with the browser, I just had to add a new interpreter, set the executable to the Rev standalone, set the -ui argument and the irev extension for the RevLets and now I can access the RevLets with the irev extension direct from the browser. I didn't have to set any permission for the file. I needed database access to PostgreSQL, so I just had to point the directory where revdb.bundle and dbpostgresql.bundle (Mac files) are located in the set the externals of this stack clause. I built a Rev Stack for common functions and used the start using clause in the RevLet and now I can create the logic all in the Rev Stack, with source code protected! I was using vi to edit my files and I was not happy with it, of course... Then, last night Stephen Barncard (thank you!!!) released the Rev colour syntax for coda, now my work seems to be complete! All seems to be working fine, I can move on and try the connections on the PDAs, then rewrite my application logic on the PDA to communicate through HTTP and see what happens. When revServer comes up, I think I can move without deep changes, as the RevLets are Rev!!! Regards, Marcio Alexandroni www.cialogica.com.br ( (+55 11) 9989-8316 Skype: marcioalexandroni Brazil -- ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: an annual calendar somewhere?
Le 1 mars 10 à 12:06, BNig a écrit : André, I haven't tried to select a range of dates, yet. I tried but seems not possible in a table field (?) in the property inspector for the field of stack calendar lines go to tables, unselect crevTable, than in the basic properties make shure lock text is true and traversal on is checked. Then you can select text in the field. regards Bernd -- Ah! yeesss! that is working well :-)) (am learning every day!) Thank you very much Bernd André ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: use-revolution Digest, Vol 77, Issue 71
On 26 Feb 2010, at 11:24 pm, Richmond wrote: DON'T spend money on Mac Software; once you have the machine and the operating system pretty well everything else should be FREE. Except stuff we need to sell to earn a crust, right? ;-) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [ANN] Revolution.mode - Revolution syntax coloring for CODA
That worked nicely, Stephen. My #-prefixed comments stopped the colorizing cold in its tracks, but I did a simple search and replace to fix. Best, Jerry Daniels The latest Rev Editor Video: http://reveditor.com/background-tabs-open-a-tab-without-going-ther On Feb 28, 2010, at 5:33 PM, stephen barncard wrote: We were talking about his last week. I went ahead and tacked all Revolution keywords into the document. All Functions, Commands, Properties and Control Structures are used. Installation info included. I also include a Revolution.seestyle to set the style to a starting point. REVOLUTION.MODE FOR CODAhttp://fulton.barncard.com/downloads/rev-coda-mode.zip I will be posting it to the SubEthraEdit site but the Rev lists get it first. sqb - Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: To Trevor: DG feature request
On Feb 27, 2010, at 10:15 AM, Jeff Massung wrote: Trevor, not sure how difficult this would be, but something to consider: DG forms that are horizontal instead of vertical. ;-) It isn't trivial but it is doable. Feature requests such as this should be logged in RQCC though. -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com Releasable Revolution Resources for Developers: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Datagrids and Google Spreadsheets
On Feb 26, 2010, at 9:27 AM, David Bovill wrote: Trevor if you are listening - have you any scripts for extracting XML from datagrids that I could customise - I'm working with a version of your generic array to xml code - just wandering if you have any updates designed to work with data grids? The Data Grid is just storing an array so any generic array XML converter will work with the dgData property. -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com Releasable Revolution Resources for Developers: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: datagrids in revLets on Win (Vista / 7)
On Feb 27, 2010, at 6:16 PM, runrev260...@m-r-d.de wrote: is there any special to consider, when using Datagrids in a Revlet? I built a simple stack with a Datagrid. Putting data into the DataGrid works in a standalone, but not in a revlet. http://n4.nabble.com/datagrids-in-revLets-on-Win-Vista-7-td974506.html#a974506 The Data Grid library in the next release of Rev won't query the registry when running in the browser. -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com Releasable Revolution Resources for Developers: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: use-revolution Digest, Vol 77, Issue 71
On 01/03/2010 16:27, David Glasgow wrote: On 26 Feb 2010, at 11:24 pm, Richmond wrote: DON'T spend money on Mac Software; once you have the machine and the operating system pretty well everything else should be FREE. Except stuff we need to sell to earn a crust, right? ;-) Well, I'm not entirely sure, with the exception of a few killer apps (Sibelius???), whether Apps for Mac are going to make much money. Open Source, while providing Free apps, somehow manages to reimburse the folk who make them. I make my crusts in another way. Although, to be honest I will be bunging a Pay Pal button on my website and my programs - for donations. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: fonts: what is a point in Linux/Gnome?
Peter Alcibiades wrote: But as to the fonts, I fired up Rev, created a stack with a field in it, then put the font size to 12, and opened up OpenOffice and did the same thing. Its true. Rev looks like its about 6 point, and OO looks normal 12 point. After you find one of the few fonts they will both display! So which is wrong? I have some old info from a 4-year-old tech support ticket, but it worked back then and it may still work now. Since I know little about any of this, I'll just add the info as it was passed to me: Rev needs X11 fonts. It only works with those. Tiny fonts are caused by the font server in use. A customer who had the same issue wrote: It was my font server, xfs. Somewhere in a recent reconfiguration to support xfstt, I pooched it. I reinstalled/reconfigured xfs, and it's all ducky. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Life-cycle of paper clips
cub...@aol.com wrote: On Feb 27, 2010, at 4:15 AM, Kay C Lan wrote: On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 4:12 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: But I still couldn't see where socks go after you put them in the dryer. I'll keep looking. Oh, that's easy, they migrate to boys boarding schools. Every time my boys come back home they have innumerable single socks that they've never owned before. I believe I'm fairly successful in returning them to their rightful owners because most of them disappear after I've washed and dried them several time;-)... and while we're at it, what about paper clips? I'm always buying more boxes of them -- where do they all go? My suspicion is that they make their way somehow into closets and metamorphose in the dark into wire coat hangers Jacque, have they confirmed this in 2020? I believe the definitive paper on the reproductive and migratory habits of paper clips was OR ALL THE SEAS WITH OYSTERS (A. Davidson, 1958). I was going to mention that only I couldn't remember the story title. I can barely remember the story (and no, I did NOT read it when first published. :)) I have my own theory about this, which was probably influenced by the story. Hangers breed and give birth to little paper clips. Little paper clips go through a life cycle where the grow to various sizes up to a point, when they migrate and begin to pupate in your closet. They emerge later as hangers. If I remember right, the story compared the number of hangers to paper clips over a period of time and noted that one population decreased as the other increased. It would be fairly easy to gather similar data in one's own home. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: fonts: what is a point in Linux/Gnome?
On 01/03/2010 18:22, J. Landman Gay wrote: Since I know little about any of this, I'll just add the info as it was passed to me: Rev needs X11 fonts. It only works with those. Tiny fonts are caused by the font server in use. A customer who had the same issue wrote: It was my font server, xfs. Somewhere in a recent reconfiguration to support xfstt, I pooched it. I reinstalled/reconfigured xfs, and it's all ducky. The problem, and it is a real problem, is that end-users (and folks like me) don't know their X11 fonts from their other fonts. This makes it well-nigh impossible for a developer to deploy a stand-alone that requires a custom font to be installed. This may make things all ducky to those whom Linux is a clear pond; but as far as I am concerned I have a really hard time telling my Mallard from my Shovellers: http://animal.discovery.com/guides/wild-birds/gallery/mallard_duck.jpg http://i.treehugger.com/images/2007/10/24/northernShoveler.jpg or, as I mentioned a while back: the duck eggs are blue and the drake eggs are green . . . :) And before you mention 'it' - fonts don't have beaks. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
ExplicitVariables
I just installed Rev 4.5 in macosx 10.5.8 Trying to use this piece of code on mouseUp set the explicitVariables to false put 1 into UNO answer UNO end mouseUp I get this error: button Button: compilation error at line 4 (Chunk: can't create a variable with that name (explicitVariables?)) near UNO, char 10 How can I fix this? Any idea? Thanks a lot. Paolo Mazza ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: ExplicitVariables
paolo- Monday, March 1, 2010, 8:55:41 AM, you wrote: I just installed Rev 4.5 in macosx 10.5.8 Trying to use this piece of code on mouseUp set the explicitVariables to false put 1 into UNO answer UNO end mouseUp I get this error: button Button: compilation error at line 4 (Chunk: can't create a variable with that name (explicitVariables?)) near UNO, char 10 How can I fix this? Any idea? Turn off explicitVars first, before trying to compile the code. Or declare UNO as a local variable. Your line of set the... is being compiled, not setting the property. -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Life-cycle of paper clips
Jacque- Monday, March 1, 2010, 8:28:32 AM, you wrote: I was going to mention that only I couldn't remember the story title. I can barely remember the story (and no, I did NOT read it when first Took it down off the shelf for a re-read this morning... it was safety pins and coat hangers... and... uh... red French racing bicycles, of course. Also puts me in mind of Theodore Sturgeon's Yesterday was Monday. -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: fonts: what is a point in Linux/Gnome?
If I had to guess, it's the fact that Win and Apple use graphics engines that can render smaller objects with greater detail, and so there is no need to make objects larger in order to make them look better. Bob On Feb 28, 2010, at 1:57 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Since the days of Motif, *NIX UIs have tended toward very large controls compared to their counterparts on Mac and Win. While I appreciate the benefits of a larger target size, on balance it also seem a poor use of space, requiring common UI elements to take up much more of the screen real estate than they do on Mac and Win, and to that degree they take away focus from the user's content. What accounts for this tendency toward uncommonly large control sizes? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
What are they called?
Feeling kind of stupid this morning, but I'm trying to tell someone that the hints we get when holding the cursor over a tool should be enlarged - if at all possible - so that the visually impaired (like me) can read them more easily; however, I can't remember what they are called. TIA, Joe Lewis Wilkins ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: ExplicitVariables
Right. Explicit variables is a compile time issue. Set it off and leave it off before you save/compile your scripts, or else leave it on and declare all your variables. Changing it in a script will only allow you to compile the next script without declaring your variables first. Bob On Mar 1, 2010, at 8:55 AM, paolo mazza wrote: I just installed Rev 4.5 in macosx 10.5.8 Trying to use this piece of code on mouseUp set the explicitVariables to false put 1 into UNO answer UNO end mouseUp I get this error: button Button: compilation error at line 4 (Chunk: can't create a variable with that name (explicitVariables?)) near UNO, char 10 How can I fix this? Any idea? Thanks a lot. Paolo Mazza ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: What are they called?
On Mar 1, 2010, at 12:30 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: Feeling kind of stupid this morning, but I'm trying to tell someone that the hints we get when holding the cursor over a tool should be enlarged - if at all possible - so that the visually impaired (like me) can read them more easily; however, I can't remember what they are called. Tool Tips. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: What are they called?
Tooltips? On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 11:30 AM, Joe Lewis Wilkins pepe...@cox.net wrote: Feeling kind of stupid this morning, but I'm trying to tell someone that the hints we get when holding the cursor over a tool should be enlarged - if at all possible - so that the visually impaired (like me) can read them more easily; however, I can't remember what they are called. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: What are they called?
Hi Joe, I think they are called tooltips. They are indeed a bit small and not adjustable. It is possible to make your own, although it isn't very easy. Halfway this page http://qurl.tk/61 you will find an example, which shows the name, long id and id number in a tooltip when the pointer tool hovers over an object in Revolution. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new software development projects. Feel free to contact me for a quote. Op 1 mrt 2010, om 18:30 heeft Joe Lewis Wilkins het volgende geschreven: Feeling kind of stupid this morning, but I'm trying to tell someone that the hints we get when holding the cursor over a tool should be enlarged - if at all possible - so that the visually impaired (like me) can read them more easily; however, I can't remember what they are called. TIA, Joe Lewis Wilkins ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: What are they called?
Thanks to all who responded so promptly. Especially Mark who guessed why I need to know. You all are the best. Joe Lewis Wilkins On Mar 1, 2010, at 9:39 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote: Hi Joe, I think they are called tooltips. They are indeed a bit small and not adjustable. It is possible to make your own, although it isn't very easy. Halfway this page http://qurl.tk/61 you will find an example, which shows the name, long id and id number in a tooltip when the pointer tool hovers over an object in Revolution. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new software development projects. Feel free to contact me for a quote. Op 1 mrt 2010, om 18:30 heeft Joe Lewis Wilkins het volgende geschreven: Feeling kind of stupid this morning, but I'm trying to tell someone that the hints we get when holding the cursor over a tool should be enlarged - if at all possible - so that the visually impaired (like me) can read them more easily; however, I can't remember what they are called. TIA, Joe Lewis Wilkins ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: What are they called?
Le 1 mars 2010 à 18:30, Joe Lewis Wilkins a écrit : Feeling kind of stupid this morning, but I'm trying to tell someone that the hints we get when holding the cursor over a tool should be enlarged - if at all possible - so that the visually impaired (like me) can read them more easily; however, I can't remember what they are called. useless stuff on a touch device ;) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Life-cycle of paper clips (was: Re: Conference-DVDs arrived)
What only a few scientists realize (and they all work for the Government out at Area 51) is that wormholes are quite easy to reproduce. You don't think all the aliens got here by using nuclear fusion to create them now do you? Eventually every civilization figures out a way to make a dryer, and this is what launches them into the Space Age. All, it takes a precise level of heat, humidity and a slight static charge that is rotating at a certain speed to create one. All this is accomplished in a modern dryer, which is how the scientists discover it. Haven't you ever noticed how the Einstein types socks never match? Haven't you noticed that all dryers rotate at exactly the same speed? Once you push the button, it's only a matter of time. Once we figure out how to get BOTH socks to warp to another location before the admittedly unstable wormholes break down, THEN we'll be able to refine a method for getting all our socks back. But really, the great mystery of the universe is the question of why it's always socks and never underwear. Many spiritualists use this odd fact as proof that there is indeed, a God. Now Jacque will deny this, but I believe the way she invented the time *warp* stack, is one day she accidentally left a USB key with all her Revolution projects on it in her pants pocket which she ended up putting in (you guessed it) the dryer. It's believed that the usb key worked it's way out of her pants pocket and into one of her socks. (We are pretty sure it was her sock because the initials on it matched hers.) Later when the USB key mysteriously appeared on her desk, all the Revolution stacks on the USB key were now Time *warp* stacks. What Jacque never knew, and what I must confess now, primarily because a few very smart people on this list have already figured it out, is where the USB key was in the interim. Jacque, haven't you ever wondered how I got my hands on your time *warp* stack? Well now you know. And by the way, my father, (who works at Area 51) has a lot of socks and none of them match. Bob On Feb 28, 2010, at 8:33 PM, cub...@aol.com wrote: Oh, that's easy, they migrate to boys boarding schools. Every time my boys come back home they have innumerable single socks that they've never owned before. I believe I'm fairly successful in returning them to their rightful owners because most of them disappear after I've washed and dried them several time;-)... ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: What are they called?
Very useful, Mark. How would I increase the size of the Tool Tips displayed by this plug-in? Joe Lewis Wilkins On Mar 1, 2010, at 9:39 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote: Hi Joe, I think they are called tooltips. They are indeed a bit small and not adjustable. It is possible to make your own, although it isn't very easy. Halfway this page http://qurl.tk/61 you will find an example, which shows the name, long id and id number in a tooltip when the pointer tool hovers over an object in Revolution. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new software development projects. Feel free to contact me for a quote. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: fonts: what is a point in Linux/Gnome?
What accounts for this tendency toward uncommonly large control sizes? What tendency??? There isn't any such tendency, as far as I can see. None. Maybe its something to do with Ubuntu and how they configure things out of the box? Dunno. But it is not a factor in any distro I've used. -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/fonts-what-is-a-point-in-Linux-Gnome-tp1573008p1574003.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: What are they called?
Hi Joe, The size of the little window adjusts itself automatically and the textSize is just the textSize of the field in that window. That should be scriptable. The current plug-in displays object names only. I believe I should make a more general tooltips stack. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new software development projects. Feel free to contact me for a quote. Op 1 mrt 2010, om 19:04 heeft Joe Lewis Wilkins het volgende geschreven: Very useful, Mark. How would I increase the size of the Tool Tips displayed by this plug-in? Joe Lewis Wilkins ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: fonts: what is a point in Linux/Gnome?
On 01/03/2010 20:15, Peter Alcibiades wrote: What accounts for this tendency toward uncommonly large control sizes? What tendency??? There isn't any such tendency, as far as I can see. None. Maybe its something to do with Ubuntu and how they configure things out of the box? Dunno. But it is not a factor in any distro I've used. uncommonly large control sizes Humpf. Set at a screen-res of 1280 x 1024 on a 17 monitor my Ubuntu 10.4 Alpha 3 (also known as Richmond's Impatience) screen font sizes LOOK (which is fairly subjective) pretty much the same as my Mac OS 10.5.8 at 1280 x 1024 on a 17 monitor. The inescapable facts are: 1. Linux does fonts in a different way to Mac and Win. 2. RunRev on Linux doesn't very well when it comes to fonts. Having said that I should say that, for my standalones I deploy in my school (which have to be converted into standalones using RunRev 2.2.1 because Ubuntu 5.10 is unable to cope with standalones made with RunRev 4 and because my tatty-old PCs cannot cope with newer versions of Ubuntu - not that that matters really for my purposes) I always do the build on one of the target machines (although I normally design the stack on a Mac or a more advanced Linux machine) after going through the stacks and setting all fields and buttons to work properly with the fonts RunRev 2.2.1 sees on them. My honest opinion is that for what we might like to term coloured Hypercard teaching stacks RunRev on Linux really doesn't have any major problems with stacks. The fun starts when one wants to leverage stacks from outwith the system. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: fonts: what is a point in Linux/Gnome?
Peter Alcibiades wrote: This is really puzzling. The thing I do see is that Rev's IDE on Linux is grotesquely small, and the dictionary font is grotesquely small. I'm really surprised in this age of political correctness that Rev considers it acceptable because it must be simply unusable by a substantial minority of the population. But I can't see that my desktop icons or panels or any other UI elements are materially different in size from the way they are in Windows. And if they are, you just resize them, surely? It's not quite so simple as that if your goal is to make one layout that works well on all supported platforms, as I'll explain more below. But as to the fonts, I fired up Rev, created a stack with a field in it, then put the font size to 12, and opened up OpenOffice and did the same thing. Its true. Rev looks like its about 6 point, and OO looks normal 12 point. After you find one of the few fonts they will both display! So which is wrong? The answer surely must be Rev. All other applications on Linux work just fine and display the fonts in the same way. Rev is doing something unaccountably different. Its exactly the same as which fonts they display. All the other apps find the same fonts. Its exactly the same as desktops, all the other apps allow them to be used. Its not Linux. Its not even Gnome, because it doesn't matter which window manager you use. Its Rev. Its got to be fixed. I'm not sure it's so easy to dismiss Rev as the culprit here. Nor may it be so simple to just say Gnome is wrong! either. It may be something more complex. I took a minute this morning to take some screen shots of Rev and OS controls on Ubuntu/Gnome, Win XP, and OS X: http://fourthworldlabs.com/revfonts/ You'll note that on those shots Rev's understanding of text size seems to match that of Firefox almost perfectly, even as both Win and Linux report very different sizes for their OS controls. My closing observation there sums up the more significant problem: Even with the disparity of reported rendered textSize, it's possible to make layouts that substantially conform to OS standards rather easily for Mac and Win, and the text and control sizes of each are close enough that a single layout will work well on both platforms. Ubuntu/Gnome, however, uses control and text size so far out of proportion to other OS standards that they require either delivering layouts sized smaller than the user sees in other apps on that OS, or making a separate set of layouts specifically for that OS. It's been a while since I've maintained Linux distros here other than Ubuntu/Gnome, so it would be interesting to learn if this vastly disproportionate default control size is unique to Ubuntu or to Gnome. I would imagine that KDE, with it's tendency to mimic the Win look and feel to some degree, may have control sizes more in keeping with other common OS norms. But it would be interesting to find other Gnome-based distros which have control sizes that more closely fit those on Win and Mac. FWIW, if I recall correctly the Gnome control sizes I see in Ubuntu are roughly the same as I used to see in Motif and Irix. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: fonts: what is a point in Linux/Gnome?
Jacque, I don't understand this either. You gave me the suggestion a while back, and I did install xfs, but it made no difference. The thing I don't get is why all the other apps work fine, but Rev does not. Is there not someone in the development group who could just tell us how Rev handles fonts in Linux? There must be someone who knows, and if he or she will just tell us, we can probably figure out how to work along with it. Peter -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/fonts-what-is-a-point-in-Linux-Gnome-tp1573008p1574085.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: What are they called?
Great idea Mark. I can't wait! Joe Lewis Wilkins On Mar 1, 2010, at 10:15 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote: Hi Joe, The size of the little window adjusts itself automatically and the textSize is just the textSize of the field in that window. That should be scriptable. The current plug-in displays object names only. I believe I should make a more general tooltips stack. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new software development projects. Feel free to contact me for a quote. Op 1 mrt 2010, om 19:04 heeft Joe Lewis Wilkins het volgende geschreven: ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: fonts: what is a point in Linux/Gnome?
On 01/03/2010 20:40, Richard Gaskin wrote: Peter Alcibiades wrote: This is really puzzling. The thing I do see is that Rev's IDE on Linux is grotesquely small, and the dictionary font is grotesquely small. I'm really surprised in this age of political correctness that Rev considers it acceptable because it must be simply unusable by a substantial minority of the population. But I can't see that my desktop icons or panels or any other UI elements are materially different in size from the way they are in Windows. And if they are, you just resize them, surely? It's not quite so simple as that if your goal is to make one layout that works well on all supported platforms, as I'll explain more below. But as to the fonts, I fired up Rev, created a stack with a field in it, then put the font size to 12, and opened up OpenOffice and did the same thing. Its true. Rev looks like its about 6 point, and OO looks normal 12 point. After you find one of the few fonts they will both display! So which is wrong? The answer surely must be Rev. All other applications on Linux work just fine and display the fonts in the same way. Rev is doing something unaccountably different. Its exactly the same as which fonts they display. All the other apps find the same fonts. Its exactly the same as desktops, all the other apps allow them to be used. Its not Linux. Its not even Gnome, because it doesn't matter which window manager you use. Its Rev. Its got to be fixed. I'm not sure it's so easy to dismiss Rev as the culprit here. Nor may it be so simple to just say Gnome is wrong! either. It may be something more complex. I took a minute this morning to take some screen shots of Rev and OS controls on Ubuntu/Gnome, Win XP, and OS X: http://fourthworldlabs.com/revfonts/ Frankly, Richard, it looks as though you took quite some time and gave quite a lot of thought to that, and took a minute is somewhat of an understatement. It is a really good comparison: Thanks. --- I have been having a love-affair with Apple's Charcoal font since OS 9, and as such use it for ALL my buttons regardless of what platform/OS I deploy on. How does that screaming genius manage that? we ask ourselves. Like many things in life the answer comes in 2 parts: 1. He's not a screaming genius, he's largely a lazy slob who likes to make things easy for himself. 2. He makes the buttons up on a Mac with Charcoal.ttf installed and exports all to snapshot and uses PNG files as fake buttons. No fonts doing silly things, no conniption fits, no high-speed flying PCs going through windows . . . :) Fields . . . Erm, Yes, Well However, on a CD I made and marketed about 5 years ago (Hey, have now made enough on it to cover the initial costs - a real screaming genius) for 14 years olds to practise their Bulgarian literature (Big market that . . . ) having to have absolutely buckets of Bulgarian (Cyrillic) text in some 50 + fields to be deployed across Windows 95 thru XP, I made images of the texts, grouped each one, constrained it and added scrollbars. Editable text fields are going to be a headache on Linux unless you have a copper-bottomed guarantee that ALL your end-users are going to have the fonts you want installed somewhere (X11 fonts???) where RunRev will see them. Sanskrit fonts . . . ERM, YES, WELL. -- You'll note that on those shots Rev's understanding of text size seems to match that of Firefox almost perfectly, even as both Win and Linux report very different sizes for their OS controls. My closing observation there sums up the more significant problem: Even with the disparity of reported rendered textSize, it's possible to make layouts that substantially conform to OS standards rather easily for Mac and Win, and the text and control sizes of each are close enough that a single layout will work well on both platforms. Ubuntu/Gnome, however, uses control and text size so far out of proportion to other OS standards that they require either delivering layouts sized smaller than the user sees in other apps on that OS, or making a separate set of layouts specifically for that OS. It's been a while since I've maintained Linux distros here other than Ubuntu/Gnome, so it would be interesting to learn if this vastly disproportionate default control size is unique to Ubuntu or to Gnome. I would imagine that KDE, with it's tendency to mimic the Win look and feel to some degree, may have control sizes more in keeping with other common OS norms. But it would be interesting to find other Gnome-based distros which have control sizes that more closely fit those on Win and Mac. FWIW, if I recall correctly the Gnome control sizes I see in Ubuntu are roughly
Re: fonts: what is a point in Linux/Gnome?
Peter Alcibiades wrote: Jacque, I don't understand this either. You gave me the suggestion a while back, and I did install xfs, but it made no difference. The thing I don't get is why all the other apps work fine, but Rev does not. Is there not someone in the development group who could just tell us how Rev handles fonts in Linux? There must be someone who knows, and if he or she will just tell us, we can probably figure out how to work along with it. Page 18 of the User Guide lists the requirements for running Rev in Linux. It mentions xft. I don't know what difference one letter forward in the alphabet makes, but maybe you do... It also mentions Pango. I'll see if I can find out more tomorrow. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Life-cycle of paper clips
Bob Sneidar wrote: What Jacque never knew, and what I must confess now, primarily because a few very smart people on this list have already figured it out, is where the USB key was in the interim. Jacque, haven't you ever wondered how I got my hands on your time *warp* stack? Well now you know. Well that explains it then. Tomorrow I'm going to go back and take it away from you last week. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Life-cycle of paper clips (was: Re: Conference-DVDs arrived)
Bob- Monday, March 1, 2010, 9:54:18 AM, you wrote: Once we figure out how to get BOTH socks to warp to another location before the admittedly unstable wormholes break down, THEN we'll be able to refine a method for getting all our socks back. But I believe the Pauli Exclusion Principle will come into play if you try that. Two socks of the same pair can't warp to the same location unless you have right-footed and left-footed socks. -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: fonts: what is a point in Linux/Gnome?
On 01/03/2010 21:25, J. Landman Gay wrote: Peter Alcibiades wrote: Jacque, I don't understand this either. You gave me the suggestion a while back, and I did install xfs, but it made no difference. The thing I don't get is why all the other apps work fine, but Rev does not. Is there not someone in the development group who could just tell us how Rev handles fonts in Linux? There must be someone who knows, and if he or she will just tell us, we can probably figure out how to work along with it. Page 18 of the User Guide lists the requirements for running Rev in Linux. It mentions xft. I don't know what difference one letter forward in the alphabet makes, but maybe you do... It also mentions Pango. 'Tis true: I looked. There is mention of quite a few things . . . Now how does: 1. One find if these things; Pango, Xft, and so forth are present in a system? 2. Are we naive to assume that they would be installed on all current linux distros (probably, especially as mplayer is not installed by default.)? The lovely thing about this is that on Mac one can use RunRev and its standalones straight out of the box. With Windows one might need to install Quicktime (nor unduly arduous). With Linux one has to do quite a bit . . . Which is why the Linux version of RunRev is still a bit dicky. I'll see if I can find out more tomorrow. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Life-cycle of paper clips
On 01/03/2010 21:34, Mark Wieder wrote: Bob- Monday, March 1, 2010, 9:54:18 AM, you wrote: Once we figure out how to get BOTH socks to warp to another location before the admittedly unstable wormholes break down, THEN we'll be able to refine a method for getting all our socks back. But I believe the Pauli Exclusion Principle will come into play if you try that. Two socks of the same pair can't warp to the same location unless you have right-footed and left-footed socks. I seem to remember from Natural Philosophy classes at school there was the Left-Hand Sock rule and the Right-Hand Sock Rule . . . Also remember . . . The quality of mercy is not strained . . . unless through a sock. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: fonts: what is a point in Linux/Gnome?
Richmond Mathewson wrote: On 01/03/2010 20:40, Richard Gaskin wrote: ... I took a minute this morning to take some screen shots of Rev and OS controls on Ubuntu/Gnome, Win XP, and OS X: http://fourthworldlabs.com/revfonts/ Frankly, Richard, it looks as though you took quite some time and gave quite a lot of thought to that, and took a minute is somewhat of an understatement. It is a really good comparison: Thanks. My pleasure. It really only took a couple minutes, well worth the investment to have the side-by-side comparison to review when making layout decisions, and if nothing else to help clarify the mystery of Gnome's control sizes. Glad you found it useful too. My closing observation there sums up the more significant problem: Even with the disparity of reported rendered textSize, it's possible to make layouts that substantially conform to OS standards rather easily for Mac and Win, and the text and control sizes of each are close enough that a single layout will work well on both platforms. Ubuntu/Gnome, however, uses control and text size so far out of proportion to other OS standards that they require either delivering layouts sized smaller than the user sees in other apps on that OS, or making a separate set of layouts specifically for that OS. ... It is not the job of the Linux people to make their OS GUIs conform to some real or imaginary standard established by either Apple or Microsoft, any ore than the other way around. But it may well be in their interest to do so, on two counts: 1. The greatest opportunity for adoption of Linux will come from those who've used another OS before (very few who don't have a computer will be installing Linux on the thing they don't have g). Sure, there's a vast untapped pool of new users in the developing world who will inevitably come to use Linux as their first computing experience, but that's long-term and along the way most new Linux users will have had prior experience with Windows. Given this, the degree to which Linux conforms to their expectations in ways that carry no adverse risk to usability will benefit from one of the strongest usability drivers, consistency. 2. For many, Linux adoption will be driven by the number of apps available for the platform. While good FOSS apps will always enjoy a price advantage over commercial offerings, there's plenty of opportunity for proprietary software to be ported to the new forthcoming Linux audience. And even among FOSS apps, not all are developed solely for Linux. So just as we want to see things made easier for transitioning end-users, here we're also conscious of the benefits of making multi-platform deployments easier for developers. More apps simply means more users for the platform. But requiring specialized layouts for one platform slows down deployment to that platform, and may even be prohibitive for some, thereby reducing the pool of potential new users. I'll run this control size issue by the folks on the Gnome usability list, and will report back anything interesting. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
[ANN][UPDATE] Revolution.mode - Revolution syntax coloring for CODA and SubEhtaEdit
Whoops! I forgot to add support for the comment syntax I never use. (Thanks to Jerry Daniels) Now supports all 4 Rev comment styles: /* */ -- ## and // New download site: http://houseofcubes.com/down/Rev/ http://houseofcubes.com/down/Rev/ anyone who tests this please let me know of any errors before I re-submit to the SubEhtaEdit site. http://houseofcubes.com/down/Rev/- Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [ANN] The Slug's Color Picker is now on the road for beta test
2010/2/28 René Micout rene.mic...@numericable.com: Thank you very much Slug ! You're welcome René! ;) Thanks for your feedback 8-) My first remark : the width of the stack could it not be the same as the pallet of tools of RunRev ? The picker has now the same width than the tools palette, plus I give it the ability to follow the tools window. It's fully experimental (for me of course;)), but for now the picker will be nested at the bottom of the tools palette. I planned to give users two options: - the choice of the selecting color when a controls has the picker's focus - the possibility to lock or not the picker with the tools palette The new 0.1c picker beta version is now available on my website. Enjoy! 8-) Regards, -- -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: use-revolution Digest, Vol 77, Issue 71
DON'T spend money on Mac Software; once you have the machine and the operating system pretty well everything else should be FREE. Good advice for some ...That's not a realistic or practical goal for those who use their computers for more than word processing and web access.. In many cases the commercial versions are still better, or provide a workflow is more efficient. Also many of the open source software offerings seem to not look or work like real Mac applications. After working with the Sun Virtualizer, I still prefer the hand-holding and stuff 'that just works' in VMWare's paid Virtualizer. And there is yet to be found any open source audio and video editing software that nears the Mac experience of Final Cut or Logic. This is the stuff I use every day. And then there's Cyberduck - open source FTP client - that blows away everything I just said. I just don't think it's good advice to give to anyone - Don't spend any money on software - especially to a group of programmers!! ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: fonts: what is a point in Linux/Gnome?
Now here's a thought: On Mac there is a folder called .font in the user's Home folder (you cannot see it because the DOT makes it invisible): RunRev DOES NOT see fonts there. Try it. So it is probably rather daft to expect RunRev to see fonts in the same folder in Linux. Something tells me that the font work for RunRev Linux is either: 1. Whatever is left over from the Linux version of Metacard: and Linux has changed quite a bit since then. or 2. Based on the UNIXy bits of Mac OS X. As Metacard 2.5 sees the same fonts as RunRev 4 (on Linux) I am plumping for #1 above. What is interesting is that the Menubar for MC 2.5 (Linux) has larger, easier to read letters that the MC 4 derived from RunRev 4 via Jacque's excellent build stack. However in the folder /Library/Fonts inside the user's Home folder on a Mac RunRev CAN see fonts. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: use-revolution Digest, Vol 77, Issue 71
On 01/03/2010 22:39, stephen barncard wrote: DON'T spend money on Mac Software; once you have the machine and the operating system pretty well everything else should be FREE. Good advice for some ...That's not a realistic or practical goal for those who use their computers for more than word processing and web access.. In many cases the commercial versions are still better, or provide a workflow is more efficient. Also many of the open source software offerings seem to not look or work like real Mac applications. After working with the Sun Virtualizer, I still prefer the hand-holding and stuff 'that just works' in VMWare's paid Virtualizer. And there is yet to be found any open source audio and video editing software that nears the Mac experience of Final Cut or Logic. This is the stuff I use every day. And then there's Cyberduck - open source FTP client - that blows away everything I just said. I just don't think it's good advice to give to anyone - Don't spend any money on software - especially to a group of programmers!! For Graphics and Sound I think that Open Source is really good (GIMP, Inkscape, Audacity, Ardour(linux)), But there is no respectable Video Editing suite that is Open Source, yet. Ultimately one has to use one's own judegement with regard to these things. I am perfectly happy developing the sort of software I develop with 100% Open Source + RunRev. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: fonts: what is a point in Linux/Gnome?
Now how does: 1. One find if these things; Pango, Xft, and so forth are present in a system? Use Synaptic and look them up - it will show you what's installed and what is available. Peter -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/fonts-what-is-a-point-in-Linux-Gnome-tp1573008p1574249.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: fonts: what is a point in Linux/Gnome?
I checked and it is known to Synaptic as libpango, and its installed. With quite a few subsidiary libraries. It probably came as a dependency with Gtk, in which case most all distros will have it. -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/fonts-what-is-a-point-in-Linux-Gnome-tp1573008p1574258.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: fonts: what is a point in Linux/Gnome?
revFontLoad, on Mac and Win, means I can load any silly old font I like from any silly old location into my stack and use it. Were revFontLoad to work in Linux I have a funny feeling that almost all the font problems would be solved, or, at least ameliorated to such an extent that everybody felt considerably better. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Follow the rev tools palette by a window
Dear list members, To follow the rev tools palette by a window (a palette), I use the send message in time form below : command scanForRevToolsLoc set the topLeft of this stack to the bottomLeft of stack Revtools send scanForRevToolsLoc to me in 100 milliseconds end scanForRevToolsLoc This handler works as expect excepted for one thing: it seems that dragging the tools palette by it's title bar, give no time to the RR engine. So during the drag, nothing is intercepted by the scanForRevToolsLoc handler. It performs only when the user release the mouse on the palette. Is it possible to have something more in real time? TIA Regards, -- -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: fonts: what is a point in Linux/Gnome?
On 01/03/2010 22:51, Peter Alcibiades wrote: Now how does: 1. One find if these things; Pango, Xft, and so forth are present in a system? Use Synaptic and look them up - it will show you what's installed and what is available. Peter I really am a bit thick at times . . . :) I am so used to using the Terminal and Apt that I tend to forget about these new-fangled things with GUIs. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: use-revolution Digest, Vol 77, Issue 71
Audacity does not support real multitrack audio and only uses it's own plugins. As a two channel editor, it's still not as useful as the $80 Sound Studio. Many pro features missing. There is an open source video editor avidemux2, but its interface is not that great. No competition for Final Cut. - Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev On 1 March 2010 12:50, Richmond Mathewson richmondmathew...@gmail.comwrote: On 01/03/2010 22:39, stephen barncard wrote: DON'T spend money on Mac Software; once you have the machine and the operating system pretty well everything else should be FREE. Good advice for some ...That's not a realistic or practical goal for those who use their computers for more than word processing and web access.. In many cases the commercial versions are still better, or provide a workflow is more efficient. Also many of the open source software offerings seem to not look or work like real Mac applications. After working with the Sun Virtualizer, I still prefer the hand-holding and stuff 'that just works' in VMWare's paid Virtualizer. And there is yet to be found any open source audio and video editing software that nears the Mac experience of Final Cut or Logic. This is the stuff I use every day. And then there's Cyberduck - open source FTP client - that blows away everything I just said. I just don't think it's good advice to give to anyone - Don't spend any money on software - especially to a group of programmers!! For Graphics and Sound I think that Open Source is really good (GIMP, Inkscape, Audacity, Ardour(linux)), But there is no respectable Video Editing suite that is Open Source, yet. Ultimately one has to use one's own judegement with regard to these things. I am perfectly happy developing the sort of software I develop with 100% Open Source + RunRev. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: What are they called?
Tooltips On Mar 1, 2010, at 12:30 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: Feeling kind of stupid this morning, but I'm trying to tell someone that the hints we get when holding the cursor over a tool should be enlarged - if at all possible - so that the visually impaired (like me) can read them more easily; however, I can't remember what they are called. TIA, Joe Lewis Wilkins ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: fonts: what is a point in Linux/Gnome?
Before I trudged off to the Gnome Usability List with my questions, I figured I owed it to them and myself to first dig up what I can on my own. Glad I did - here are some highlights: [Usability] Gnome is Too BIG.. http://mail.gnome.org/archives/usability/2008-March/msg00010.html Gnome is too big, indeed. http://panospace.wordpress.com/2008/03/23/gnome-is-too-big-indeed/ Default font size too large if using native DPI https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/310353 The note there in comment #67 explains the Firefox anomaly: Web browsers use pixel-based preferences for arcane reasons that made a lot of sense in 1999 but that are making steadily less sense over time. They'll probably switch to points a few years after OSes do. So at least I'm not alone in my observations about Gnome, and it seems it is indeed a Gnome issue and not specific to Ubuntu. What I haven't found is how/if the Gnome team will attempt to resolve this. There are some serious backward compatibility issues at stake, so I appreciate the many reports filed against this marked Won't Fix. Over the long term we can expect the Gnome team to come up with something clever, Firefox will migrate to points over pixels, and Rev will improve its GTK support to go along for the ride. In the short term, I'll just use 12-point fonts with more conventionally-sized controls than most Gnome apps, so I can ship on time at the relatively small cost of a handful of users who won't be grateful that I'm making better use of their screen real estate. :) -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: fonts: what is a point in Linux/Gnome?
Hi Richard. It may be rather tedious, but when I developed in Foxpro, there were always these kinds of issues. What a font looked like in Windows was NOT what it looked like in the Mac OS. So the initialization program set up variables with fonts and sizes based upon what platform you were running at the time. What would REALLY be nice, is if there were properties in Rev for Default Field Font, Default Label Font, Default Button font etc, with sizes and styles to match. Then it would be a simple matter of changing the defaults depending on what platform you were running. As is, you have to do repeat loops on all your objects until a better fix can be had. Bob On Mar 1, 2010, at 3:41 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Before I trudged off to the Gnome Usability List with my questions, I figured I owed it to them and myself to first dig up what I can on my own. Glad I did - here are some highlights: snip ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Ideas to simulate a multithreaded sockets server
Seems realy cool and as long as a dedicated server will be used, Abyss httpd will be realy usefull ! Best Regards, P. Le 1 mars 10 à 12:18, Marcio Alexandroni a écrit : Hi, I made some progress on this topic and I think I Rev+CGI can do the job. While waiting for revServer, I decided to try CGI with Rev to see if it fits my needs. Of course, I had to use the 3.5 standalone engine, as v4.0.0 does not include the standalone engine anymore. First of all, I searched for a multiplatform, tiny, easy-to-install-and-configure web server on the market. Of course there is Apache, but I found Abyss Web Server by aprelium (http://www.aprelium.com/abyssws/). There is a free version for personal use and for commercial use it's only $59. It supports Windows, Linux, Mac, FreeBSD. The web server setup is easy and done with the browser, I just had to add a new interpreter, set the executable to the Rev standalone, set the - ui argument and the irev extension for the RevLets and now I can access the RevLets with the irev extension direct from the browser. I didn't have to set any permission for the file. I needed database access to PostgreSQL, so I just had to point the directory where revdb.bundle and dbpostgresql.bundle (Mac files) are located in the set the externals of this stack clause. I built a Rev Stack for common functions and used the start using clause in the RevLet and now I can create the logic all in the Rev Stack, with source code protected! I was using vi to edit my files and I was not happy with it, of course... Then, last night Stephen Barncard (thank you!!!) released the Rev colour syntax for coda, now my work seems to be complete! All seems to be working fine, I can move on and try the connections on the PDAs, then rewrite my application logic on the PDA to communicate through HTTP and see what happens. When revServer comes up, I think I can move without deep changes, as the RevLets are Rev!!! Regards, Marcio Alexandroni www.cialogica.com.br ( (+55 11) 9989-8316 Skype: marcioalexandroni Brazil -- ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Pierre Sahores mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 www.wrds.com www.sahores-conseil.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [ANN] The Slug's Color Picker is now on the road for beta test
2010/3/1 zryip theSlug zryip.thes...@gmail.com: New update available: 0.1d The Color Picker gives now the illusion (I hope ;)) to be a part of the tools palette. Enjoy! 8-) -- -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: fonts: what is a point in Linux/Gnome?
Bob Sneidar wrote: What would REALLY be nice, is if there were properties in Rev for Default Field Font, Default Label Font, Default Button font etc, with sizes and styles to match. Then it would be a simple matter of changing the defaults depending on what platform you were running. As is, you have to do repeat loops on all your objects until a better fix can be had. Yes, a simple built-in way to handle this would be a great addition for a multi-platform development tool like Rev: http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=5190 In the meantime, Ken and I discovered that we each do something very similar to what you described, and have begun collaborating on a central library to handle that (and a whole lot more). Once it gets fleshed out it'll be submitted to the Rev Interoperability Project for review and enhancement, but I've started using it in one of my apps now. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: fonts: what is a point in Linux/Gnome?
Well, they are an interesting set of links! It sounds like Ubuntu is now shipping their version of Gnome with too large defaults, at least for some people, and that this can largely be dealt with by correct choice of theme and fonts. Also that the size of the system bits does not adjust for the monitor resolution, so if your monitor is larger or smaller than the Gnome default design, you'll have to do this. Or is this misunderstanding the situation? One of the postings suggests seeing what the difference is between the xdpyinfo resolution and the gnome resolution is. In my own case, Debian Squeeze, no tweaking with these parameters, xdpyinfo gives 101 x 101 dpi, whereas gnome (which I don't use except very occasionally) gives 96. That is odd. But still and all, and independently of this, there is a problem with Rev, and it seems, only with Rev, and it does not seem to be Gnome related, because its identical in Fluxbox, which I use all the time In Gnome just as in Fluxbox, start up Rev, and you seem to be presented with fonts sizes in the dictionary and in the menu bars of a size which, to get the same size in all other applications, you'd have to use 6 or maybe even 4 point. I can't see any difference in this whatever the window manager. So maybe this is something Rev is doing in Gtk? And if so, why on earth are they doing it? Richard, are you noticing this too? That the ide and dictionary are so small as to be almost unusable in Linux? -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/fonts-what-is-a-point-in-Linux-Gnome-tp1573008p1574524.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: fonts: what is a point in Linux/Gnome?
Peter- Monday, March 1, 2010, 6:36:15 PM, you wrote: see any difference in this whatever the window manager. So maybe this is something Rev is doing in Gtk? And if so, why on earth are they doing it? How about launching revolution from the commandline instead of double-clicking the icon? I've found gtk errors that way, and at least you should get an interesting message stream... -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: fonts: what is a point in Linux/Gnome?
This is what it does: pe...@vv:~/3.5.0-gm-2$ ./revolution Will try and use Shared Memory extensions XVideo extensions available? : Yes Will use X-Freetype font rendering Using Pango complex text layout then if you do 4.0 from the command line, the size is identical, and you get this pe...@vv:~/ Studio4.0.0-gm-1$ ./revolution and it starts up. Maybe we have to do something with X-Freetype font rendering, however one might go about that? Peter -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/fonts-what-is-a-point-in-Linux-Gnome-tp1573008p1574539.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Life-cycle of paper clips (was: Re: Conference-DVDs arrived)
On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 1:54 AM, Bob Sneidar b...@twft.com wrote: But really, the great mystery of the universe is the question of why it's always socks and never underwear. Many spiritualists use this odd fact as proof that there is indeed, a God. Again, no mystery there, it's all to do with shape. The greatest aeronautical geniuses of the universe took it as a challenge to find that shape which was inherently never meant to fly; and make it fly. Not only did they succeed, but against all forces of the universe they were able to make it return from whence it came. Obviously I'm talking about the Australian Aboriginals. The boomerang is a highly sophisticated design, but get it wrong, and galactic forces will send all sock shaped spinning objects (hence the conspiracy with washing machine or tumble dryer as already explained by Bob) on a one way journey to 'the never never' - the Aboriginal technical term for that place you never want to go to. Actually, in the Aboriginal dreamtime (way way way before white-fella history) it was only called 'the never' because all that was there was countless boomerang prototype failures. But the spiritual elders, those who saw into the distant future, could see that one day, the failed boomerangs would be outnumbered by socks, and therefore to emphasis the chance of you finding anything useful there, they now refer to it as 'the never never'. As a side note, some theorise that a young James M. Barrie upon hearing magnificent stories of the young Australian colony, it's aboriginals, and the never never, incorrectly concluded that such a place was adults only. He then used his writing genius to weave a tale about NeverLand which was children only. But enough of the facts;-) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: fonts: what is a point in Linux/Gnome?
Peter- Interesting. On Ubuntu I get mwie...@mwieder-ubuntu:~/revolution/3.5.0-gm-2$ ./revolution Will try and use Shared Memory extensions XVideo extensions available? : No Will use X-Freetype font rendering Using Pango complex text layout *** glibc detected *** ./revolution double free or corruption (out): 0xb7dbf1a0 *** mwie...@mwieder-ubuntu:~/revolution/4.0.0-gm-1$ ./revolution *** glibc detected *** ./revolution double free or corruption (out): 0xb7ea0198 *** Then, of course, I kill each process with a -9. -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
SendCardMessage questions
1) Does this require a freshly allocated string as its first parameter, which Revolution takes ownership of and eventually deletes? Or does it copy the data out of it, in which case the caller would have to delete it if it was dynamically allocated? 2) What context can this be called from? I would assume you couldn't call it from inside a hardware interrupt handler, because it would probably do something (allocate memory perhaps?) that's not legal inside a hardware interrupt handler. But how about in the context of some device driver thread? In particular, on Windows I'd like to call it from inside a MIDI input callback function, which isn't called by the main application thread, but isn't called in an interrupt handler either, so I assume it's a called by some thread associated with the device, or some multimedia thread in Windows. 2) What card does the message get sent to? The main stack's first card? Or does it depend upon what card is visible? What about if a dialog box is open? Thanks in advance. -- Ciao, Paul D. DeRocco Paulmailto:pdero...@ix.netcom.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: fonts: what is a point in Linux/Gnome?
Hello all, I didn't read all the mails of this thread. My suggestion: In Ubuntu go to System/Preferences/Appearance/Fonts. Activate Subpixel smoothing and click on details. There you can adjust the resolution (dpi) to the needs of your display. dpi = xres x 2.54 / the width of your display For my display I have 116 dpi and the fontsizes are ok. Regards, Wolfgang On Mon, 2010-03-01 at 15:41 -0800, Richard Gaskin wrote: Before I trudged off to the Gnome Usability List with my questions, I figured I owed it to them and myself to first dig up what I can on my own. Glad I did - here are some highlights: [Usability] Gnome is Too BIG.. http://mail.gnome.org/archives/usability/2008-March/msg00010.html Gnome is too big, indeed. http://panospace.wordpress.com/2008/03/23/gnome-is-too-big-indeed/ Default font size too large if using native DPI https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/310353 The note there in comment #67 explains the Firefox anomaly: Web browsers use pixel-based preferences for arcane reasons that made a lot of sense in 1999 but that are making steadily less sense over time. They'll probably switch to points a few years after OSes do. So at least I'm not alone in my observations about Gnome, and it seems it is indeed a Gnome issue and not specific to Ubuntu. What I haven't found is how/if the Gnome team will attempt to resolve this. There are some serious backward compatibility issues at stake, so I appreciate the many reports filed against this marked Won't Fix. Over the long term we can expect the Gnome team to come up with something clever, Firefox will migrate to points over pixels, and Rev will improve its GTK support to go along for the ride. In the short term, I'll just use 12-point fonts with more conventionally-sized controls than most Gnome apps, so I can ship on time at the relatively small cost of a handful of users who won't be grateful that I'm making better use of their screen real estate. :) -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
