Re: How to make print card work in Linux: solved

[Peter Alcibiades]

You're right, as always!  Silly.  I was so irritated and impatient that I
just clean forgot about that.  In the interests of tracking it down
properly, it would be a good idea to try it and see what the result is. 
Maybe next week.

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RE: Zip Behavior on Windows

[Paul D. DeRocco]

> From: Sivakatirswami
> 
> I regularly ship apps to some users by simply packaging it as a zip 
> file. Mainstack, engine components all in a folder, right click, 
> compress ship...
> 
>   On the Mac the user double clicks and a folder pops up, neatly 
> extracted, all components inside next to the main stack and engine.
> 
> Now something has changed on windows. if the user double clicks on the 
> zip file WinZip is exposing the contents of the package in still 
> compressed form. Naive users are baffled. If they unzip the .exe file 
> they see in there, it still doesn' work.
> 
> I left a query at the winzip site and got a nice prompt response saying 
> "It has always been like this" (why are we only now getting problem 
> reports then?)   that was 2 pages long! Ouch.
> 
> I could ferret out that we now should be making a "self-extracting 
> archive."  I don't know if that is still a zip file or not.
> 
> Of course some will say "your really should be using a windows 
> installer..." but, does it need to be that complicated?

A self-extracting archive is a small executable with a ZIP appended to it so 
that when run, it extracts itself. This technique has been around pretty much 
since the dawn of PKZIP for MS-DOS.

Also, WinZIP is a third-party app. Modern versions of Windows have ZIP support 
built-in, but it has the same limitation in that you have to do more than just 
double-click it to extract it. However, you can right-click it and select 
"Extract All", which isn't too much harder. I don't know if WinZIP includes the 
ability to create self-extracting archives, but I expect there are some 
freeware programs that do that.

Installers are nice because they do other things. On Windows, they may create 
desktop icons, Start Menu items, Quick Launch icons, file type associations, 
and other registry entries, not to mention cleaning up any previous versions. 
If you don't need any of that, a self-extracting archive will be sufficient.

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Zip Behavior on Windows

[Sivakatirswami]

I regularly ship apps to some users by simply packaging it as a zip 
file. Mainstack, engine components all in a folder, right click, 
compress ship...


 On the Mac the user double clicks and a folder pops up, neatly 
extracted, all components inside next to the main stack and engine.


Now something has changed on windows. if the user double clicks on the 
zip file WinZip is exposing the contents of the package in still 
compressed form. Naive users are baffled. If they unzip the .exe file 
they see in there, it still doesn' work.


I left a query at the winzip site and got a nice prompt response saying 
"It has always been like this" (why are we only now getting problem 
reports then?)   that was 2 pages long! Ouch.


I could ferret out that we now should be making a "self-extracting 
archive."  I don't know if that is still a zip file or not.


Of course some will say "your really should be using a windows 
installer..." but, does it need to be that complicated?


Sivakatirswami

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RE: Clang: the thought behind Apple's insistence upon Xcode

[Paul D. DeRocco]

> From: Douglas
>
> The iPad uses an ARM processor, not a G4.
> The ARM chips were first utilised in the Acorn Archimedes computer range.
> They were designed by a partnership of Acorn Risc Machines (ARM),
> Motorola and IBM.
> The instruction set is very compact, therefore easy to learn. Most
> coders built up libraries of standard routines quickly and easily.
> I assume that they have not really seen any need for any massive
> increase in the instruction set, but I haven't seen anything about them
> for quite some number of years, so I really don't know.
> Multi-core ARM's now, that would be something else - I predict that may
> be in Apple's future.

I wouldn't call the ARM's native instruction set "compact". It's actually
fairly space-inefficient, which is why they later invented the Thumb
instruction set for the ARM7 processor. It gives up some of the complete
orthogonality of the ARM instructions for better code density.

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Re: specialFolderPath

[charles61]

Klaus,

Your script worked great! Thanks so much!
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Re: OT: Microsoft is really annoying

[Bob Sneidar]

Hi Wilhelm. 

I know pretty much why all of these things you mentioned work the way they do 
but I will not go into that here. What you have is a particularly nasty flavor 
of spyware, that has several processes that checks up on the other bits of 
itself to make sure you don't do exactly what you are doing. When they detect 
that you are attempting to remove the other pieces they simply restore them. 

There are a couple of approaches I could recommend, but none of them are 
guaranteed to succeed, at least not completely. Once you get a bug like this, 
only a wipe (including deleting the partition and creating a new one) and 
reinstall of the OS is going to guarantee success. 

If you take that approach, let me make a few suggestions: 
1. Buy and have ready a good Antivirus/antispyware package to install 
IMMEDIATELY as soon as your new OS boots

2. Install XP sp2 or higher (avoid Vista just because it sucks, Win 7 is great) 
to make sure the Windows Firewall is on by default. If you do not have these, 
as many old restore disks will not, then do not connect to ANY internet 
connection until you have enabled the Windows firewall and installed the AV 
package as described above. 

3. At this point you *should* be safe enough to connect to the internet and 
download and install ALL the Windows Updates you find. This process can take 3 
to 5 passes. Be patient. Do not give up. Your computer needs to be fully 
patched before you do anything else. 

4. Several things to keep in mind after you are up and running:
a. Stay away from questionable sites. I don't need to elaborate. 
Organized Crime pays good programmers to develop undetectable bugs. 
b. Never EVER click a link in an Email, no matter WHO sends you the 
email. Spam software can make an email look like it came from anyone. 
c. NEVER install software that you haven't paid money for. Nothing is 
free. NOTHING. 
d. Turn off the preview pane in your email, at least until you have 
trained your spam blocker about what is crap and what is not. 
e. Use a non-administrator account as much as possible. Yes it's a 
pain, but you've done half the hackers work for them by using an admin account. 
f. NEVER let anyone you do not trust implicitly, use (and especially 
"fix") your computer with the admin account. This includes your wife, kids and 
family pet. Especially not the kids. More compromises happen because an 
unwitting friend installs bad software to "fix" an ailing computer, than I can 
tell you about. 

That about sums it up. If all that seems unreasonable, I would suggest looking 
into the Apple OS X. Nothing is perfect, but real exploits for this OS are very 
rare, and there are none I know about presently that a fully patched OS can be 
compromised by. I am an IT pro and I have to live and work in both worlds. Most 
of my time is spent fixing and protecting the Windows side of things. 

Bob


On Apr 15, 2010, at 1:44 PM, Wilhelm Sanke wrote:

> The subject of this thread - which was started by me - sounds somewhat harsh 
> and unfair, but the ongoing story of annoying popups of phony messages 
> transported by the Microsoft Internet Explorer - without having been launched 
> by me in each case - reminds me of the fight between Microsoft and the EU - 
> the European Union - about forcing Microsoft to deliver a Windows platform 
> that is not necessarily tied to an embedded Internet Explorer. At the moment 
> I am not fully clear about the outcome of the fight. I remember that 
> Microsoft should pay an amount of several million dollars, but I do not know, 
> whether they have paid this sum and at the same time have changed their 
> strategy.

> 
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Re: revMail in Windows

[Alex Tweedly]

Sarah Reichelt wrote:

I can't get all the data I need in my bug report down to 1000
characters, so does anyone know of an alternative way to send emails
on Windows?
I want it to go through the user's mail client as I ask them to supply
additional information and attach screen shots. Otherwise I could use
an irev script on my web site.
  


It's kind of lame, but 
copy the data you want to send to the clipboard,
use revmail with a very short message   (something like  " now 
please Paste in the data from the clipboard")



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Re: speaking of gif animations

[Alejandro Tejada]

Hi Nicolas,

Looking in the archives, i found a similar topic:
http://www.mail-archive.com/use-revolution@lists.runrev.com/msg130518.html

To solve this problem, i have used GIMP to convert
gif animations:

Open your animation in Gimp and click
on menu Filters> Animation> Unoptimize

Save the animation with a new name.

UnOptimize removes some of the optimizations that 
compression and encoding add to gif files.

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Re: [OT] iPads delayed internationally

[Bob Sneidar]

How do you like us Americans now world? ;-) LOL! I can just hear some of the 
conversations over in France about our patented arrogance! "Well, see we WERE 
going to sell iPads to you, but there aren't enough for us, so we are gonna 
sell em all here instead. Ok? But look at the bright side: We get to be happy!" 
I'm cracking up right now. :-)

Bob


On Apr 14, 2010, at 3:39 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

> 
> 
> If all you Americans who bought iPads could please return them ASAP,
> then maybe Steve would change his mind and I could get mine sooner.
> 
> Thanks,
> Sarah
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Re: Debian, Sidux, Ubuntu, reference distributions for Rev

[Bob Sneidar]

I have to weigh in here. We have a turnkey system for our locks and keys at our 
facility, called CyberAuditWeb which runs on a CentOS system. Recently the 
database went caddywonkers on us, and subsequent days later with tech support 
had us reinstalling the entire OS again, and the lock and key software on top 
of that. My point is that the tech guy told us we should NOT upgrade the OS 
because the lock and key software was written for a certain build of a certain 
Linux distro. Really? Really. That is all I need to know, to know I will never 
intentionally use Linux for anything serious. Flame on if you will, but if 
upgrading an OS can whack a database so bad I have to wipe and reinstall, then 
all bets are off. 

Bob


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> 
> Larry is correct.   Ubuntu is Debian Beta.  Fedora is Red Hat Beta.  Nothing
> wrong with betas.  They are not reference systems.
> 
> People who want to use Ubuntu as a reference system, or Fedora for that
> matter, need to get specific.  I suggested, and Larry seems to be
> suggesting, Debian Stable.  
> 
> You want to use Ubuntu as a reference distro, which release?  How often are
> you going to change it?  Every six months, when the new version comes out? 
> You want to use Fedora, which release?
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Re: OT: Microsoft is really annoying!

[Bob Sneidar]

Sounds like you got ahold of one of the rare but not unheard of bugs that 
actually infect your boot sector. Sometimes you can mount a drive like that in 
an enclosure and connect it to a protected Windows computer and scan it. 
Typically if you are going to do a wipe and re-install, you should delete and 
recreate the partition, which the factory restore disk probably does not do. 

As an aside, I have for years wondered if it wasn't the anti-virus vendors 
themselves who pay certain shady characters to come up with these viruses. Food 
for thought. 

Bob


On Apr 15, 2010, at 1:09 AM, Bernard Devlin wrote:

> I just consigned windows to a read-only VM for ever.  If it wasn't for
> Rev and it's failings on Linux, I wouldn't be running Windows at all.
> 
> After getting a malware infection that disabled my AV and Windows
> Defender, and wouldn't let me reinstall AV (not even from "safe"
> mode), I restored the laptop from the official restore disks.  That
> restore failed.  Then I tried to install vanilla Vista.  That failed
> (wouldn't accept the license number that came with the DVD, a DVD that
> came directly from Microsoft themselves).  So I went back to use XP --
> multiple BSODs, during the install.  I considered getting Windows 7,
> but after reading the reviews over on Amazon, I decided I wasn't
> throwing more money at MS.
> 
> I tried ubuntu 9.10.  It asked a few questions, then installed in
> about 20 mins, everything working.  Ten years ago it was so hard to
> get Linux up and running compared to Windows.  Now the tables have
> turned.  If it wasn't for their abusive monopoly position, there is no
> way MS would be able to get away with such rubbish.
> 
> Bernard
> 
> On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 10:15 PM, Andrew Kluthe  wrote:
>> 
>> Sounds like you got some hijacks or some other kind of malware.
>> 
>> Look it over with Malware Bytes Anti-Malware.
>> 
>> I haven't used "Adaware" in quite a few years, but it might give you some
>> solutions as well.
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Re: speaking of gif animations

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RunRev does not handle optimized GIFs very well (From PS or FW). I had to 
search for software that would de- un- optimize them. Once I did that they 
worked fine in RunRev.


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On Apr 15, 2010, at 5:52 PM, Nicolas Cueto wrote:

> Somewhat off topic.
> 
> At times I make my own gif animations (Fireworks), and when these are
> imported to a Rev stack, the gifs sometimes play well and sometimes
> not. To make the gif I use a lot of copying directly from one frame to
> the next.
> 
> When gifs don't play well, it's the gif's transparency that goes
> screwy. Some frames get drawn ok (seems to be the original frames
> rather than the copied frames), but other frames seem to be half there
> with "fuzzy" edges. But If I run the same gif on a browser, no
> problems.
> 
> By way of solution, during save-as I've tried alpha- and
> index-transparency (no idea what those mean), but that didn't work.
> 
> Anyone more versed in animated gif design have any guesses as to what
> I'm doing wrong and how to fix it?
> 
> Thank you.
> 
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Re: Clang: the thought behind Apple's insistence upon Xcode

[Douglas]

Hello François,
The iPad uses an ARM processor, not a G4.
The ARM chips were first utilised in the Acorn Archimedes computer range.
They were designed by a partnership of Acorn Risc Machines (ARM),  
Motorola and IBM.
The instruction set is very compact, therefore easy to learn. Most 
coders built up libraries of standard routines quickly and easily.
I assume that they have not really seen any need for any massive 
increase in the instruction set, but I haven't seen anything about them 
for quite some number of years, so I really don't know.
Multi-core ARM's now, that would be something else - I predict that may 
be in Apple's future.


Douglas

On 15/04/2010 22:14, François Chaplais wrote:

 clipped 
   
This is a move by Apple towards independence from chip designers. For instance, I do not know how the G4 iPad chip was designed, but having an "almost" compiler that works independently of the chip must help Apple manage OS X on the iPhone, iPad and Mac.


 clipped 

Cheers,
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Re: Clang: the thought behind Apple's insistence upon Xcode

[Jerry Daniels]

Merci, François! Quite an adventure in learning. 

Best,

Jerry Daniels

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On Apr 15, 2010, at 4:14 PM, François Chaplais 
 wrote:

> 
> Le 15 avr. 2010 à 21:49, Jerry Daniels a écrit :
> 
>> Check this one out:
>> 
>>http://www.brockerhoff.net/bb/viewtopic.php?p=2796#2796
>> 
>> I found this to be a nice meta view of Xcode future and why Apple is drawing 
>> the line now. Esoterica is in the post's links. I don't really think this is 
>> so much about clipping Adobe's wings, but that is certainly a side effect. 
>> 
>> Those prone to seeing disaster for revMobile should be of good cheer. There 
>> are a couple of foolproof ways to deliver rev coded iPhone and iPad apps 
>> that avoid that line that Apple is drawing.
>> 
>> The webkit may be our savior. One company has already gotten the ok for apps 
>> that are made by serving up screens inside a Xcode built client app. The 
>> screens are created with JavaScript, HTML5 and CSS. They, of course use the 
>> iPhone OS APIs in all their glory. These are much more like app screens than 
>> web pages. 
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Jerry Daniels
>> 
> 
> I had noticed the LLVM-Clang thing some time ago. If I understand well, Clang 
> compilers can compile code almost down to machine language-except that it 
> just stops before that. The final step after that is managed elsewhere. The 
> interesting thing thing is that Clang compilers are able to really fine tune 
> your code even though you do not know the processor at this stage.
> 
> This is a move by Apple towards independence from chip designers. For 
> instance, I do not know how the G4 iPad chip was designed, but having an 
> "almost" compiler that works independently of the chip must help Apple manage 
> OS X on the iPhone, iPad and Mac.
> 
> This may seem like kremlinology, but I think the transition by Apple from 
> PowerPC to x86 was made easier by the fact that OpenStep was designed to be 
> platform (whatever that means) independent. Clearly, SJ likes independence.
> 
> Furthermore, it seems that this also related to programming on multicore 
> chips.
> 
> 
> There are entries on Clang and LLVM in the english version of wikipedia.
> 
> I first heard of this at the Ars Technica review of snow leopard:
> http://arstechnica.com/apple/reviews/2009/08/mac-os-x-10-6.ars/9
> and later pages
> Very nice review, IMHO.
> 
> Grand Central Dispatch is also related to Clang and LLVM.
> http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/09/apple-opens-gcd-challenges-impede-adoption-on-linux.ars
> 
> 
> Cheers,
>   François
> 
> 
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Re: speaking of gif animations

[Jeff Massung]

Off topic:

May I ask what tool(s) you use to create your animated gifs? I've been
looking for something and don't really want to shell out for Phototshop or
similar for this one purpose.

Jeff M.

On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 4:52 PM, Nicolas Cueto  wrote:

> Somewhat off topic.
>
> At times I make my own gif animations (Fireworks), ...
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speaking of gif animations

[Nicolas Cueto]

Somewhat off topic.

At times I make my own gif animations (Fireworks), and when these are
imported to a Rev stack, the gifs sometimes play well and sometimes
not. To make the gif I use a lot of copying directly from one frame to
the next.

When gifs don't play well, it's the gif's transparency that goes
screwy. Some frames get drawn ok (seems to be the original frames
rather than the copied frames), but other frames seem to be half there
with "fuzzy" edges. But If I run the same gif on a browser, no
problems.

By way of solution, during save-as I've tried alpha- and
index-transparency (no idea what those mean), but that didn't work.

Anyone more versed in animated gif design have any guesses as to what
I'm doing wrong and how to fix it?

Thank you.

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Re: Clang: the thought behind Apple's insistence upon Xcode

[François Chaplais]

Le 15 avr. 2010 à 21:49, Jerry Daniels a écrit :

> Check this one out:
> 
> http://www.brockerhoff.net/bb/viewtopic.php?p=2796#2796
> 
> I found this to be a nice meta view of Xcode future and why Apple is drawing 
> the line now. Esoterica is in the post's links. I don't really think this is 
> so much about clipping Adobe's wings, but that is certainly a side effect. 
> 
> Those prone to seeing disaster for revMobile should be of good cheer. There 
> are a couple of foolproof ways to deliver rev coded iPhone and iPad apps that 
> avoid that line that Apple is drawing.
> 
> The webkit may be our savior. One company has already gotten the ok for apps 
> that are made by serving up screens inside a Xcode built client app. The 
> screens are created with JavaScript, HTML5 and CSS. They, of course use the 
> iPhone OS APIs in all their glory. These are much more like app screens than 
> web pages. 
> 
> Best,
> 
> Jerry Daniels
> 

I had noticed the LLVM-Clang thing some time ago. If I understand well, Clang 
compilers can compile code almost down to machine language-except that it just 
stops before that. The final step after that is managed elsewhere. The 
interesting thing thing is that Clang compilers are able to really fine tune 
your code even though you do not know the processor at this stage.

This is a move by Apple towards independence from chip designers. For instance, 
I do not know how the G4 iPad chip was designed, but having an "almost" 
compiler that works independently of the chip must help Apple manage OS X on 
the iPhone, iPad and Mac.

This may seem like kremlinology, but I think the transition by Apple from 
PowerPC to x86 was made easier by the fact that OpenStep was designed to be 
platform (whatever that means) independent. Clearly, SJ likes independence.

Furthermore, it seems that this also related to programming on multicore chips.


There are entries on Clang and LLVM in the english version of wikipedia.

I first heard of this at the Ars Technica review of snow leopard:
http://arstechnica.com/apple/reviews/2009/08/mac-os-x-10-6.ars/9
and later pages
Very nice review, IMHO.

Grand Central Dispatch is also related to Clang and LLVM.
http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/09/apple-opens-gcd-challenges-impede-adoption-on-linux.ars


Cheers,
François



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Re: OT: Microsoft is really annoying

[Wilhelm Sanke]

The subject of this thread - which was started by me - sounds somewhat 
harsh and unfair, but the ongoing story of annoying popups of phony 
messages transported by the Microsoft Internet Explorer - without having 
been launched by me in each case - reminds me of the fight between 
Microsoft and the EU - the European Union - about forcing Microsoft to 
deliver a Windows platform that is not necessarily tied to an embedded 
Internet Explorer. At the moment I am not fully clear about the outcome 
of the fight. I remember that Microsoft should pay an amount of several 
million dollars, but I do not know, whether they have paid this sum and 
at the same time have changed their strategy.


At least, from my experience during the last days, they have not yet - 
despite all the ongoing automatic updates - implemented the possibility 
to disengage their Internet Explorer from WindowsXP.


A virus scan found 3 viruses on my computer, interestingly two of them 
with names identical to such of Windows system files.
Removing this trojans did not help. After a while the ads via the 
popping-up Internet Explorer continued.


I then thought about deinstalling the Internet Explorer. Using the 
Windows-provided de-installer I was informed that about 150 listed 
programs were somehow tied to the Internet Explorer and that the removal 
of the IE could produce serious damage. Among the programs listed were 
such like "TwistAWord" (scripted in RevTalk), "Aquasoft DIASHOW mobile", 
"Route 66 Sync", "Lua for Windows", "Mozilla Firefox", "Nokia Ovi System 
Utilities", but of course also quite a number of programs which might 
indeed been somehow connected to the IE. I therefore discontinued this 
approach to remove the IE.


I then tried to move the whole IE folder into the trash can. This is 
however impossible!


Next step: I renamed the IE folder. Likewise impossible.

Then: I tried to rename the file "iexplore.exe". This was possible, but 
after a few moments a new copy of the IE appeared in the folder ( this 
was independent of the fact, whether I was connected to the net or not)


Last resort: I created a new folder (named "Hide") and tried to move the 
whole IE folder into that new one. This succeeded to some extent: Most 
of the files of the IE folder were moved into the new one, only file 
"iexplore.exe" itself along with two other files and an extra 
subdirectory refused to be moved.


At least I have now separated IE from a number of accompanying files, 
and since then - so far - no new information about having won a new 
"Toyota SUV", an iPad, or a journey around the world have appeared via IE.


I hope this state will now remain so, but I am not entirely sure.

Regards,

Wilhelm Sanke


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Clang: the thought behind Apple's insistence upon Xcode

[Jerry Daniels]

Check this one out:

 http://www.brockerhoff.net/bb/viewtopic.php?p=2796#2796

I found this to be a nice meta view of Xcode future and why Apple is drawing 
the line now. Esoterica is in the post's links. I don't really think this is so 
much about clipping Adobe's wings, but that is certainly a side effect. 

Those prone to seeing disaster for revMobile should be of good cheer. There are 
a couple of foolproof ways to deliver rev coded iPhone and iPad apps that avoid 
that line that Apple is drawing.

The webkit may be our savior. One company has already gotten the ok for apps 
that are made by serving up screens inside a Xcode built client app. The 
screens are created with JavaScript, HTML5 and CSS. They, of course use the 
iPhone OS APIs in all their glory. These are much more like app screens than 
web pages. 

Best,

Jerry Daniels

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Running multiple gif animation slow down Rev

[Alejandro Tejada]

Hi all,

Could you verify on your configuration
if running 64 gif animations on the
same card slow down user interaction
in Rev?

To test this, import an animated gif
and using the menu "Replicate"
create 63 copies.

I am building a game interface and
one option for players is to choose
animated gif for their 64 pieces.

When i fill the board with 64 gif
animations, Rev slows down too
much and mouse interaction becomes
difficult or impossible.

Thanks in advance.

Alejandro
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Re: specialFolderPath

[Klaus on-rev]

Hi Charles,

> Klaus,
> 
> Thanks! I have a question: How would I create a folder entitled "MyFolder" in 
> the user's document folder using the following script?:
> ask file "My file as: " with specialFolderPath("docs") & slash

...
put specialfolderpath("docs") & "/MyFolder" into tNewFolder
if there is not a folder tNewFolder then
   create folder tNewFolder
end if
ask file "My file as: " with (tNewFolder & "/The_New_File.txt")
## Or whatever your filetype maybe
...

> Charles Szasz
> csz...@mac.com

Best

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Re: specialFolderPath

[charles61]

Klaus,

Thanks! I have a question: How would I create a folder entitled "MyFolder" in 
the user's document folder using the following script?:

sk file "My file as: " with specialFolderPath("docs") & slash 

Charles Szasz
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> 
> > Klaus, 
> > 
> > Oops,  am sorry for the mistake! 
> 
> Thou shalt be forgiven! 
> Don't worry, this happens to me all the time ;-) 
> 
> 
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Re: specialFolderPath

[Klaus on-rev]

Hi Charles,

> Klaus,
> 
> Oops,  am sorry for the mistake!

Thou shalt be forgiven!
Don't worry, this happens to me all the time ;-)


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Re: specialFolderPath

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Klaus,

Oops,  am sorry for the mistake!
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Re: How to make print card work in Linux: solved

[Richard Gaskin]

J. Landman Gay wrote:


Peter Alcibiades wrote:


Instead what you do is start from whatever startup stack you are using to
launch, or start up the compiled app.  Then do the print.  Make a note of
the settings. Then close the stack, open it in the IDE, modify the
settings, recompile if need be, close down Rev, start up from the startup
stack or the compiled app, print again, make a note of the settings.


Can't you just use "Suspend development tools" in the Development menu?
That's supposed to do the same thing. It removes the IDE.


Also, given that the dev and runtime engines use the same print 
routines, it would be helpful to know what differences were found 
between the two.


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Re: How to make print card work in Linux: solved

[Richmond Mathewson]

 On 15/04/2010 19:14, J. Landman Gay wrote:

Peter Alcibiades wrote:

Instead what you do is start from whatever startup stack you are 
using to launch, or start up the compiled app.  Then do the print.  
Make a note of the settings. Then close the stack, open it in the 
IDE, modify the settings, recompile if need be, close down Rev, start 
up from the startup stack or the compiled app, print again, make a 
note of the settings.


Can't you just use "Suspend development tools" in the Development 
menu? That's supposed to do the same thing. It removes the IDE.


I love "Suspend development tools"; without it I would have got exactly 
nowhere with my Devawriter - everytime I did a mouseOver
on an image/button with a wonky script the whole stack would lock up; 
so, shut the thing down and then sort it out.


Being a slow learner it took me 2 years to find that; never looked back 
since!

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Re: How to make print card work in Linux: solved

[J. Landman Gay]

Peter Alcibiades wrote:

Instead what you do is start from whatever startup stack you are using to 
launch, or start up the compiled app.  Then do the print.  Make a note of 
the settings. Then close the stack, open it in the IDE, modify the 
settings, recompile if need be, close down Rev, start up from the startup 
stack or the compiled app, print again, make a note of the settings.


Can't you just use "Suspend development tools" in the Development menu? 
That's supposed to do the same thing. It removes the IDE.


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Re: use-revolution Digest, Vol 79, Issue 28

[Richard Gaskin]

John Vokey wrote:

> It drives me nuts that in the IDE associated file references, for
> example, are different from that in the standalone, depending on
> the OS.

That one's not Rev, it's Apple:  With OS X Apple has decided to lie to 
the user, in the sense that they use a folder ("bundle") for what used 
to be a single executable file.


Given the convenience of being able to store libraries and such in the 
bundle I don't mind, but it was a hassle until I started using this 
AppPath function:




With that function I can refer to files relative to the mainstack of my 
app regardless of whether it's a standalone or a stack file, or whether 
it's a standalone on Win, Linux, or OS X.


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Re: specialFolderPath

[Klaus on-rev]

Hi Charles,

> Kaus,
> 
> Thanks! And congratulations on your new daughter!

my name is Klaus and I am still not Malte :-D


Best

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Re: specialFolderPath

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Kaus,

Thanks! And congratulations on your new daughter!
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MySQL has gone away (again)

[JosepM]

Hi List,

I still figthing with this problem but I can't found one solution. 

If the application loses internet connectivity, due by that MySQL
disconnects
connects clients after a period of inactivity or you hibernate the computer, 
the
connection is lost, but, revOpenDatabases() still returns a value. But there
is
no connection, so running a query or any DB command hangs the software
forcing
sometimes a force quit or wait until 10 minutes to get the error.

As I read in the forum one solution is disconnect each time before to
execute any query. 

Two questions: 

a) Anybody have found any solution for this, I tryed some things founded in
the forum but doesn't work, so really the connection with mySQL is OK, the
ports are accessible... 

Also I post a bug http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=8723


b) Send in time some function can work but how control after hibernate the
computer and the user perform some query? I don't know if I explain myself.
The problem that I detect is after the user recover the computer after
hibernate it. The application is loaded like other application, and perform
some query. In this moment the computer have internet connection, and if I
check for the mySQL ports or ping, the result is ok.

So I think about some timer that fire one condition to disconnect before to
perform the next query, after this first disconnect the next ones work fine.

Any ideas?

Salut,
Josep

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Re: [OT] iPads delayed internationally

[Richmond Mathewson]

 On 15/04/2010 17:37, Mark Wieder wrote:

Jacque-

Wednesday, April 14, 2010, 10:35:32 PM, you wrote:


You haven't yet? Last I asked, which was quite a while ago, RR said
they'd all been sent, all the orders were completed. Better check with
support, I guess. You should have received them a long time ago.
I received a message from RunRev support today that my DVDs had been 
despatched
about a month ago. I am waiting for my local post-lady to give me a slip 
of paper

so that I can pop along to the customs office to sign lots of silly papers,
 jump through hoops (well, metaphorically at least) and pay a customs
clearance fee for them.  If the merry Bulgarian postal service have managed
to bust any I will force the customs officers to eat the DVDs - expect a 
Quicktime

Movie to be uploaded anytime soon . . .  :)


I don't know about "a long time ago"... mine finally arrived last week.
Overly packaged and with a broken plastic case, the the dvds seem all
playable, so I'm happy.


'Overly' is probably the problematic word.

I would recommend the folk at RunRev to down-play the
conference DVDs in future, as, had they not been OVERLY
hyped nobody would have got all tetchy about what
happened . . .   :)

I cannot help wondering if RunRev would not have been better
to set up a passworded FTP site and let us download DVD images
and burn them ourselves - certainly would have minimised both
the delay and the aggro.
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Re: Debian, Sidux, Ubuntu, reference distributions for Rev

[Andre Garzia]

What I think for once I can give a rational explanation that will untangle
this on the mind of the thread readers is that while Larry and Peter are
correct in the sense that both Fedora and Ubuntu are basically Debian beta
and RH beta from an engineering point of view meaning that those distros are
more inclined to put unstable and bleeding edge stuff then Debian and Red
Hat so that anyone that prizes stableness and a conservative point of view
should simply use Debian or RH and if they want bleeding edge packages then
just install them over.

This is all correct but what me, Richard and others are saying which is not
getting thru is that we consider a reference platform to be the platform
most probable to be used by our target customer base for Rev based tools and
by that we basically mean the new average linux user. You are more prone to
encounter an Ubuntu installation than a vanilla Debian one on the desktop,
and yes we know that this is because of shiny and eye candy but who cares,
this is what we will encounter and that is what we need our software to run.

I was using linux when as not fashionable in Brazil in 1995 or something, I
was 15, there was no Ubuntu, I had an infomagick bundle with slackware, pc
linux pro and other oddities. In two days I fried my monitor due to bad
refresh rate. That (along with my father complaints) led me to actually buy
a Linux unleashed book the size of a small volkswagen and read it. Now, if I
had Ubuntu that time, I would simply be running something useful and simple
instead of working thru a 2000 pages book just to learn how to launch X with
the correct configuration.

Joe Linux will not know about Debian or Slackware, Joe Linux can't Bash, Joe
Linux doesn't know his /etc/ but he uses his Linux computer thru synaptic
and menus and he is fine. Most of us want to target that user, not sys
admins or server stuff. Rev for linux desktop will cather to that guy. Thats
why we need to make sure things run on the kind of machine he has, which is
probably one of the hyped linux distributions.

I have nothing against debian or red hat, actually, I just lied, I don't
like red hat but it is personal and not technical, but we need to make sure
things run on the most popular distros.

And don't let me get started on the mess of desktop environments and their
themes and the hell hole that is Linux shared libraries and their locations.
Each day I find some linux parts more like windows...

On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 4:52 AM, Peter Alcibiades <
palcibiades-fi...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

>
> Larry is correct.   Ubuntu is Debian Beta.  Fedora is Red Hat Beta.
>  Nothing
> wrong with betas.  They are not reference systems.
>
> People who want to use Ubuntu as a reference system, or Fedora for that
> matter, need to get specific.  I suggested, and Larry seems to be
> suggesting, Debian Stable.
>
> You want to use Ubuntu as a reference distro, which release?  How often are
> you going to change it?  Every six months, when the new version comes out?
> You want to use Fedora, which release?
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Re: No-asci chars from the on-rev CGI

[paolo mazza]

Thank you Richard. I fixed everythingh and now my first application in the
iPhone is running.
Thanks a lot to everybody in this great list !!!
All the best

Paolo Mazza
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Re: [OT] iPads delayed internationally

[Mark Wieder]

Jacque-

Wednesday, April 14, 2010, 10:35:32 PM, you wrote:

> You haven't yet? Last I asked, which was quite a while ago, RR said
> they'd all been sent, all the orders were completed. Better check with
> support, I guess. You should have received them a long time ago.

I don't knw about "a long time ago"... mine finally arrived last week.
Overly packaged and with a broken plastic case, the the dvds seem all
playable, so I'm happy.

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Re: No-asci chars from the on-rev CGI

[Richard Gaskin]

paolo mazza wrote:


I am facing a problem sending NO-ASCI chars with the rev CGI ( i. e. put
"ùàòè" ) to a Rev application.

When I receive a string containing chars with accent (i.e. ùàòè) from the
Revolution CGI , I get strange chars.

Example:

put "ùàòè"

I receive:   "^:'"

How can I fix this?


Try running the data through base64Encode when sending, and base64Decode 
on the receiving end.


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No-asci chars from the on-rev CGI

[paolo mazza]

I am facing a problem sending NO-ASCI chars with the rev CGI ( i. e. put
"ùàòè" ) to a Rev application.

When I receive a string containing chars with accent (i.e. ùàòè) from the
Revolution CGI , I get strange chars.

Example:

put "ùàòè"

I receive:   "^:'"

How can I fix this?

Thanks a lot

Paolo Mazza
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Re: use-revolution Digest, Vol 79, Issue 28

[Richmond Mathewson]

 On 15/04/2010 11:31, Vokey, John wrote:

  But create standalones and one spends way to much time compensating for silly 
differences over OSs that should not matter.

Err . . . might not be a bad idea for the developers of RunRev to cease 
the endless, headlong rush for ever fancier innovations

and iron all this out.
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Re: OT: Microsoft is really annoying!

[Richmond Mathewson]

 On 15/04/2010 11:09, Bernard Devlin wrote:


   If it wasn't for
Rev and it's failings on Linux, I wouldn't be running Windows at all.



Wow! I wonder how many other RunRev developers that is true for?

Hello! Hello! Hello! It is time the RunRev folk in Edinburgh sat up and
took notice!

I am pretty sure, even if only because of financial considerations, that 
when

my PPC Macs go 'pop' the only thing that would stop me going 98% Linux
is the second-rate nature of the RunRev version for Linux.
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Re: How to make print card work in Linux: solved

[Richmond Mathewson]

 On 15/04/2010 11:05, Peter Alcibiades wrote:

This is what you do and do not do.

First, you do not test this from the IDE in run mode.  Because if you do,
you'll discover that changes to the script have different effects when the
app is launched from a startup stack or, probably, when compiled, from
those it has when run from the IDE.

Nor do you test it on anything but the identical configuration of the
machine that will do the printing in real life.

My problem all along has been to think that identical settings in the print
parameters would lead to identical results on different machines.  They do
not.  Also to think that identical results would be obtained from the IDE
in run mode and from a launcher stack.  They are not.  This leads to all
kinds of grief, as when you finally get a setting that works in the IDE on
machine A, then move to machine B and run the app, and discover that it
does something totally different.

Instead what you do is start from whatever startup stack you are using to
launch, or start up the compiled app.  Then do the print.  Make a note of
the settings. Then close the stack, open it in the IDE, modify the
settings, recompile if need be, close down Rev, start up from the startup
stack or the compiled app, print again, make a note of the settings.

This must be done on the actual computer and the actual display from which
the print command will be run.

Iterate, changing one parameter at a time, until it comes out more or less
right.  This took me the better part of a morning.

Peter


Gosh; I'll crack out the headache pills first . . . :)

Or, as a friend of mine said many years ago, "Stuff that for a laugh."
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Re: use-revolution Digest, Vol 79, Issue 28

[Vokey, John]

What do I do?  Rail against the fact that, sensibly, the engine translates all 
file references to one form, but fails to do so for many other utterly trivial 
differences.  So, one is always forced to check for the OS (see the dictionary 
for all the ridiculous exceptions).  Why?  Why doesn't the engine, as with file 
paths, choose one style?  It drives me nuts that in the IDE associated file 
references, for example, are different from that in the standalone, depending 
on the OS.  That is just maddening, and also one reason I rarely produce 
standalones: in the IDE *almost* all remains constant over OSs.  But create 
standalones and one spends way to much time compensating for silly differences 
over OSs that should not matter.

To make the point clear that is is not just RunRev that maintains this 
nonsense.  Take a look at this quintessential cross-platform app, R. You want 
to access text data in a rows by columns format on the clipboard by command in 
Mac OS X, you use: data.dat <- read.table(pipe("pbpaste"), header = TRUE), but 
on Windose, you use:
data.dat <- read.table(file("clipboard"), header = TRUE).  Why?  Why wouldn't 
something so primitive be coded in the engine?  Indeed, we all write a function 
in to handle the translation over systems, but, seriously, why should we have 
to?  Same in RunRev.  It it is a RunRev function or command, it should be 
identical over all systems.  Period.  If I see: ``how to do X on system y'' in 
RunRev, it should be followed by a single command for all systems.  I admit, it 
is often no more than a switch command and a 3-line wrapper, but, really, why 
should it be even that? RunRev has probably spent more time writing the damn 
dictionary explanation of the exception than it would take to just make the the 
switch and 3-lines of code inherent in the code.

On 2010-04-14, at 10:23 PM, use-revolution-requ...@lists.runrev.com wrote:

> Which brings up an interface question. My app lets users choose a folder 
> and then displays the folder path in a field. I've never bothered to 
> change it in the past, but now I'm wondering if I should translate all 
> the slashes to backslashes just for display on Windows, and then change 
> them back to regular slashes in the script when I need to work with the 
> path.
> 
> What do others do?

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Re: OT: Microsoft is really annoying!

[Bernard Devlin]

I just consigned windows to a read-only VM for ever.  If it wasn't for
Rev and it's failings on Linux, I wouldn't be running Windows at all.

After getting a malware infection that disabled my AV and Windows
Defender, and wouldn't let me reinstall AV (not even from "safe"
mode), I restored the laptop from the official restore disks.  That
restore failed.  Then I tried to install vanilla Vista.  That failed
(wouldn't accept the license number that came with the DVD, a DVD that
came directly from Microsoft themselves).  So I went back to use XP --
multiple BSODs, during the install.  I considered getting Windows 7,
but after reading the reviews over on Amazon, I decided I wasn't
throwing more money at MS.

I tried ubuntu 9.10.  It asked a few questions, then installed in
about 20 mins, everything working.  Ten years ago it was so hard to
get Linux up and running compared to Windows.  Now the tables have
turned.  If it wasn't for their abusive monopoly position, there is no
way MS would be able to get away with such rubbish.

Bernard

On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 10:15 PM, Andrew Kluthe  wrote:
>
> Sounds like you got some hijacks or some other kind of malware.
>
> Look it over with Malware Bytes Anti-Malware.
>
> I haven't used "Adaware" in quite a few years, but it might give you some
> solutions as well.
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How to make print card work in Linux: solved

[Peter Alcibiades]

This is what you do and do not do.

First, you do not test this from the IDE in run mode.  Because if you do, 
you'll discover that changes to the script have different effects when the 
app is launched from a startup stack or, probably, when compiled, from 
those it has when run from the IDE.

Nor do you test it on anything but the identical configuration of the 
machine that will do the printing in real life.

My problem all along has been to think that identical settings in the print 
parameters would lead to identical results on different machines.  They do 
not.  Also to think that identical results would be obtained from the IDE 
in run mode and from a launcher stack.  They are not.  This leads to all 
kinds of grief, as when you finally get a setting that works in the IDE on 
machine A, then move to machine B and run the app, and discover that it 
does something totally different.

Instead what you do is start from whatever startup stack you are using to 
launch, or start up the compiled app.  Then do the print.  Make a note of 
the settings. Then close the stack, open it in the IDE, modify the 
settings, recompile if need be, close down Rev, start up from the startup 
stack or the compiled app, print again, make a note of the settings.

This must be done on the actual computer and the actual display from which 
the print command will be run.

Iterate, changing one parameter at a time, until it comes out more or less 
right.  This took me the better part of a morning.

Peter
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Re: Debian, Sidux, Ubuntu, reference distributions for Rev

[Peter Alcibiades]

Larry is correct.   Ubuntu is Debian Beta.  Fedora is Red Hat Beta.  Nothing
wrong with betas.  They are not reference systems.

People who want to use Ubuntu as a reference system, or Fedora for that
matter, need to get specific.  I suggested, and Larry seems to be
suggesting, Debian Stable.  

You want to use Ubuntu as a reference distro, which release?  How often are
you going to change it?  Every six months, when the new version comes out? 
You want to use Fedora, which release?

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Re: [OT] iPads delayed internationally

[Richmond Mathewson]

 On 15/04/2010 08:35, J. Landman Gay wrote:

Richmond Mathewson wrote:

 On 15/04/2010 02:17, J. Landman Gay wrote:

Sarah Reichelt wrote:



If all you Americans who bought iPads could please return them ASAP,
then maybe Steve would change his mind and I could get mine sooner.


And then will you send me any extras you get?


I'll be happy when I get my conference DVDs . . .  :)


You haven't yet? Last I asked, which was quite a while ago, RR said 
they'd all been sent, all the orders were completed. Better check with 
support, I guess. You should have received them a long time ago.


Well, probably the demigods who are in charge of these things have 
punished me for making fun

of the Bulgarian postal system, and they really have been 'snaffled'.
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RE: specialfolderpath("preferences") on windows

[David Glasgow]

On 15 Apr 2010, at 5:23 am, Paul D. DeRocco wrote:

> No, it's not supported in Windows. Entering
> 
>   put specialFolderPath("Preferences")
> 
> in the message box returns nothing in Windows. So your file would have gone
> into the root if you added a slash and your file name.
> 
> On advice from folks in the forum, I use specialFolderPath("asup") on the
> Mac, and specialFolderPath(26) on Windows, and append a slash and my app
> name, to get the name of the folder to put my app preferences in. If the
> folder doesn't exist, I create it.

Thanks, Paul, that makes sense, although I still can't find my wee file, and 
the standalone behaves as though it exists. Nothing in the root.   Maybe this 
has exposed an unrelated bug in my scripting.

Alternatively, maybe there is a hidden and undocumented Chamber of Secrets on 
Windows, containing my file and Douglas' missing left socks

David Glasgow
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