date:20100723

I decided to buy into Rodeo to help support a new nifty tool.  At the time, I 
did not have a need for it.  Soon after my purchase I realized that a new 
project we are working on might benefit from Rodeo and thus began questioning 
Jerry about getting media functionality.  I am not sure if Sarah could mind 
read my thought or not, but my feature request showed up the very next day in 
Rodeo 2 beta.  

We can now play video and audio files in rodeo apps.  Pretty cool indeed.  
Thanks Sarah for anticipating all my needs at the speed of thought.  :)


Best regards,

Mark Talluto
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Re: editing group fails

2010-07-23 Thread Peter Brigham MD

I use Geoff Canyon's RevNavigator all the time for this kind of thing.
I believe it's one of the plugins that comes with Rev, if not, go to http://www.inspiredlogic.com/navigator/Navigator.html

You get a palette that displays a list of all controls on the topcard,
listed in layer order, with grouped objects set off by pipe symbols
(nested as necessary). To put something in an existing group, you just
drag it to the layer position you want in that group. Easy as pie.

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On Jul 22, 2010, at 4:35 PM, dunb...@aol.com wrote:

Ah. This works. Thanks.

It is something I actually read once in the dictionary under
relayerGroupedControls. It doesn't stick (at least witn me) until
you use it.

It is a neat little property of layering that makes this functionality
possible. Works the other way, too. Layers are far more important in
Rev than in

HC. They are intimately tied to group structure.

These sorts of wonders are everywhere; the problem is finding them. Or
remembering them.

Craig Newman

In a message dated 7/22/10 4:04:53 PM, rev...@pdslabs.net writes:

put the layer of grp "myTargetGroup" into x
set the relayerGroupedControls to true
set the layer of control "myTargetControl" to x+1
set the relayerGroupedControls to false

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Re: Heading down the home stretch

On Jul 23, 2010, at 11:18 AM, David C. wrote:

> Once all of the above is done, I'll do a small announcement and let
> you folks have a look-see.

My interest is seriously peeked.  :)



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Re: OT: Mac vs Win partisanship is unnecessary

> Well; there are a number of answers to that one:
>
> 1. Adaptability is a tremendous skill.
>
> 2. I find that where GIMP falls short, SUMO is now filling the gaps:
>  http://www.sumopaint.com/home/
>
> 3. Inkscape does rather a good job re vector graphics.

Just in case the Linux folks out there haven't tried it, Xara has
their really nice image processing program available as a freebie. I
have the registered Win version as well and use it all the time. If
you haven't tried it out yet, go for it. :)

Best regards,
David C.
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Re: Preference menu in Danish

2010-07-23 Thread Mark Schonewille


Hi Josep,

Unfortunately, you didn't quote the previous message, so I'm not  
exactly sure what you're replying to.


Just change the name of the Preferences menu item back to  
"Preferences" (without quotes). If you changed the name of the Edit  
menu button, change that back to Edit. As Jacque says, you can change  
the label of the Edit menu button instead of its name (but IIRC you  
asked about the name of the Preferences menu item).


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On 23 jul 2010, at 23:35, JosepM wrote:



But If I changed the name? How can restore it? I put again to  
"Resources" but

don't appear...
Maybe the easy way is to create again and copy/paste the code... :(

It's a question for understand why this happen and how to solve...

Salut,
Josep


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Re: Preference menu in Danish

2010-07-23 Thread JosepM


But If I changed the name? How can restore it? I put again to "Resources" but
don't appear... 
Maybe the easy way is to create again and copy/paste the code... :(

It's a question for understand why this happen and how to solve...

Salut,
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Re: OT: Mac vs Win partisanship is unnecessary

2010-07-23 Thread Bob Sneidar

Not sure what you are referring to, but I know that OS X has a pretty good 
interface for this. They have a method for zooming into and out of the desktop. 
You can dramatically change the size and appearance of icons and fonts. Windows 
does also, but as you say it is somewhat limited. It mostly pertains to desktop 
settings and is not system wide. 

Bob


On Jul 23, 2010, at 1:58 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:

> Gentlepeople,
> 
> I have to take exception to this. Visually challenged as I am, virtually all 
> Windows applications, including the Desktop, are mostly impossible for me to 
> read. Particularly the Dialogs. I realize there is an ability to use a larger 
> text, but far too limited. I need to blow things up really big. Occasionally 
> I'll have a problem with Mac apps as well. I really dislike the size of 
> things in iChat. I wish there were a way to increase the size of the Main 
> Menus. With my large screen I have plenty of Real Estate.
> 
> Sorry for the gripping! Wait'll my hearing gets worse. (smile)
> 
> Joe Wilkins
> 
> 
> On Jul 23, 2010, at 1:24 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
> 
>> That's just the desktop picture! ;-)
>> 
>> Bob
>> 
>> 
>> On Jul 23, 2010, at 11:32 AM, Mark Talluto wrote:
>> 
>>> All jest aside, I have really lost the dislike or strong like for any one 
>>> OS.  I use them all as needed and find that there is beauty in each.
> 
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Re: OT: Mac vs Win partisanship is unnecessary

2010-07-23 Thread Joe Lewis Wilkins

Gentlepeople,

I have to take exception to this. Visually challenged as I am, virtually all 
Windows applications, including the Desktop, are mostly impossible for me to 
read. Particularly the Dialogs. I realize there is an ability to use a larger 
text, but far too limited. I need to blow things up really big. Occasionally 
I'll have a problem with Mac apps as well. I really dislike the size of things 
in iChat. I wish there were a way to increase the size of the Main Menus. With 
my large screen I have plenty of Real Estate.

Sorry for the gripping! Wait'll my hearing gets worse. (smile)

Joe Wilkins

On Jul 23, 2010, at 1:24 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:

> That's just the desktop picture! ;-)
> 
> Bob
> 
> 
> On Jul 23, 2010, at 11:32 AM, Mark Talluto wrote:
> 
>> All jest aside, I have really lost the dislike or strong like for any one 
>> OS.  I use them all as needed and find that there is beauty in each.

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Re: OT: Mac vs Win partisanship is unnecessary

2010-07-23 Thread Bob Sneidar

That's just the desktop picture! ;-)

Bob


On Jul 23, 2010, at 11:32 AM, Mark Talluto wrote:

> All jest aside, I have really lost the dislike or strong like for any one OS. 
>  I use them all as needed and find that there is beauty in each.

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Re: OT: Mac vs Win partisanship is unnecessary

2010-07-23 Thread Scott Rossi

Recently, stephen barncard wrote:

> Sumo unfortunately uses Flash.

Yet another example of why Jobs' anti-Flash argument is spurious and absurd.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design


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Re: OT: Mac vs Win partisanship is unnecessary


On 07/23/2010 10:34 PM, stephen barncard wrote:

Sumo unfortunately uses Flash.


   
That is not unfortunate for Linux users: I have just been using it 
without a backward
thought on my Ubuntu box. I often use it on my G4 Mac, and about half an 
hour ago
I tested it through IceWeasel on my PPC Mac Mini that is currently 
flirting with Debian.


If you really imagine anybody serious is going to do their artwork on an 
iPad or an iPhone

I think you may be wrong;

First of; how on earth do you connect some sort of pointing device or 
something like a

Wacom pad?

Steve Jobs can spend all the time he wants trying to draw pretty 
pictures in iPad . . .  :)

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Re: [HELP!] Rev Externals: running a loop without disrupting the stack or inter thread communication

2010-07-23 Thread Andre Garzia

>
> > Second question and this probably shows my lack of deep C and Rev
> Externals
> > knowledge is, how can we start some "eternal" looping code in the
> external.
> > If you think about the question above, it is clear that something in the
> > main thread needs to be tied to the other end of the pipe or message
> queue.
> > This other piece of code might be blocked with select() or poll() waiting
> > for something to happen, now, if I create an externalCommand like
> > "webserver_initloop" that starts this loop, wouldn't it block the engine
> if
> > the function never returns? If this is confusing let me summarize: How
> can
> > some code on the external keep processing while returning the control to
> rev
> > at the same time.
>
> I've done that in an external by writing a complete event-handler loop
> as if the external were an application. You can then write your own
> event types and catch them in the event loop. It's weird, but it does
> the trick.
>
>
Mark,

But how to you start your event loop? If you start it by calling an
externalcommand from rev, does it block rev?

Thanks for the answer, this will really help me since there's only a single
event!

:D



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Re: [HELP!] Rev Externals: running a loop without disrupting the stack or inter thread communication

2010-07-23 Thread Mark Wieder

Andre-

Friday, July 23, 2010, 12:17:47 PM, you wrote:

> Second question and this probably shows my lack of deep C and Rev Externals
> knowledge is, how can we start some "eternal" looping code in the external.
> If you think about the question above, it is clear that something in the
> main thread needs to be tied to the other end of the pipe or message queue.
> This other piece of code might be blocked with select() or poll() waiting
> for something to happen, now, if I create an externalCommand like
> "webserver_initloop" that starts this loop, wouldn't it block the engine if
> the function never returns? If this is confusing let me summarize: How can
> some code on the external keep processing while returning the control to rev
> at the same time.

I've done that in an external by writing a complete event-handler loop
as if the external were an application. You can then write your own
event types and catch them in the event loop. It's weird, but it does
the trick.

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Re: OT: Mac vs Win partisanship is unnecessary

2010-07-23 Thread stephen barncard

Sumo unfortunately uses Flash.


On 23 July 2010 12:14, Richmond  wrote:

>
>  That doesn't come as any surprise to me. Photoshop has long topped the
>> list of most wanted proprietary programs on Linux users' wish list. You may
>> be wondering why this is so since Linux already has GIMP (Gnu Image
>> Manipulation Program), which is also a very strong image editing program.
>>
>> There are several reasons. The first is that Photoshop users tend to be
>> Photoshop users first and foremost: the operating system is secondary.
>> Another reason is that there's an entire software eco-system of Photoshop
>> add-on programs that serious Photoshop users expect to have at their beck
>> and call. Last but not least, there are major differences between
>> Photoshop's MDI (Multiple Document Interface) and GIMP's SDI (Single
>> Document Interface). While GIMP will add support for SDI in GIMP 2.8, in the
>> meantime, moving from Photoshop to GIMP as your primary image-editing
>> platform is very difficult.
>>
>>
> Well; there are a number of answers to that one:
>
> 1. Adaptability is a tremendous skill.
>
> 2. I find that where GIMP falls short, SUMO is now filling the gaps:
> http://www.sumopaint.com/home/
>
> 3. Inkscape does rather a good job re vector graphics.
>
> Or, put it another way; even if I had the largish sum of money to buy Adobe
> Creative Suite, I am not convinced
> that its is THAT much better than supra!
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[HELP!] Rev Externals: running a loop without disrupting the stack or inter thread communication

2010-07-23 Thread Andre Garzia

Folks & Folkettes,

I've written a nice external here which I hope will be the basis of many of
my forthcoming products. My external is a "Embeddable Web Server" just like
Valentina and SQLite are Embeddable Databases. Among other things, it uses a
poll of threads to serve the web requests. My question is related to how to
trigger a callback on the stack when a request comes.

When there's a web request, the external drives it to some of it's threads,
it might start a new one if needed or reuse an old one. Anyway, the thing
is, the code answering the web request probably is running on a different
thread/process (pthreads) than the rev engine and thus that code can't
execute External SDK calls because Rev Engine likes its calls be made only
from the main thread.

What I need is first a way to notify the main thread when a child thread has
something it wants executed in the rev engine. I am thinking about maybe
using pipes for that or message queues. If you want an example on why this
feature is useful, for example, it is useful for binding URLs to Revolution
Handlers/Commands so that when a request comes, we send "NewRequest" to the
main stack for example. You might be thinking "But andre doesn't that
defeats the purpose of having multiple threads since they will all block
trying to talk to rev single-thread engine?", and the answer is "I don't
mean to drive all requests back to rev but to allow some urls to be
connected back to rev so that  you can serve static pages and cgis but also
have some specific urls that can trigger user-defined commands". So for the
external writers among us, using pipes or message queues for inter thread
communication is the best way?

Second question and this probably shows my lack of deep C and Rev Externals
knowledge is, how can we start some "eternal" looping code in the external.
If you think about the question above, it is clear that something in the
main thread needs to be tied to the other end of the pipe or message queue.
This other piece of code might be blocked with select() or poll() waiting
for something to happen, now, if I create an externalCommand like
"webserver_initloop" that starts this loop, wouldn't it block the engine if
the function never returns? If this is confusing let me summarize: How can
some code on the external keep processing while returning the control to rev
at the same time.

By the way, guess whos web server external can load revserver engine and
thus create a portable environment for developing local revserver solutions?
Mine!

:D

PS: If anyone knows anything about this please type a couple of words, I
would hate to release my external without my cherished url binding routine.
We still don't have super good information on external writing so things are
hard.

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Re: OT: Mac vs Win partisanship is unnecessary



That doesn't come as any surprise to me. Photoshop has long topped the 
list of most wanted proprietary programs on Linux users' wish list. 
You may be wondering why this is so since Linux already has GIMP (Gnu 
Image Manipulation Program), which is also a very strong image editing 
program.


There are several reasons. The first is that Photoshop users tend to 
be Photoshop users first and foremost: the operating system is 
secondary. Another reason is that there's an entire software 
eco-system of Photoshop add-on programs that serious Photoshop users 
expect to have at their beck and call. Last but not least, there are 
major differences between Photoshop's MDI (Multiple Document 
Interface) and GIMP's SDI (Single Document Interface). While GIMP will 
add support for SDI in GIMP 2.8, in the meantime, moving from 
Photoshop to GIMP as your primary image-editing platform is very 
difficult.




Well; there are a number of answers to that one:

1. Adaptability is a tremendous skill.

2. I find that where GIMP falls short, SUMO is now filling the gaps:  
http://www.sumopaint.com/home/


3. Inkscape does rather a good job re vector graphics.

Or, put it another way; even if I had the largish sum of money to buy 
Adobe Creative Suite, I am not convinced

that its is THAT much better than supra!
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Re: OT: Mac vs Win partisanship is unnecessary

2010-07-23 Thread Richard Gaskin


Richmond wrote:


"there's such a dearth of software for the platform"; I find that
hard to accept.


I've been spending a fair amount of time in recent months reading the 
Ubuntu forum, and a fairly common theme I see there is "Where can I find 
an app like  for Linux?"


Of course in most cases there's an answer for that, often for some 
package in the Ubuntu Software Center or almost as conveniently 
accessible.  But sometimes not.


I find the same thing with Mac OS, and to some degree even on Windows. 
Indeed, I suspect that's why most of us are here:  we make software 
because we can't find the one we want already made.


Of the three platforms Rev currently supports, Windows has by far the 
largest variety of software available.   But even there I find many 
opportunities for new products, as I do on Mac.  With the Linux world 
being the younger and least evangelized of the three I find even more 
categories there with either few strong competitors or none at all.


Consider also this tidbit in a blog a couple months ago in 
Computerworld.  While it focuses on Adobe products, there's a message 
there for all software publishers to consider if they're using tools 
that make it as inexpensive to deploy to Linux as Rev does:



--- from Computerworld ---

Ubuntu wants Adobe, even if Apple doesn't

I recently suggested that, given Apple and Adobe's growing war over iPad 
and iPhone applications, it would make sense for Adobe to move not only 
its end-user applications, but its Creative Suite development stack, to 
Linux. While I don't know if Adobe is considering it, Canonical, the 
company behind Ubuntu Linux, would welcome Adobe.


Canonical marketing manager Gerry Carr told me that "in a recent survey 
we did of the Ubuntu User base where we got 32,000 plus responses, Adobe 
Photoshop as a potential application for Ubuntu got a 3.52 rating out of 
5 being the second most popular potential app after Skype."


That doesn't come as any surprise to me. Photoshop has long topped the 
list of most wanted proprietary programs on Linux users' wish list. You 
may be wondering why this is so since Linux already has GIMP (Gnu Image 
Manipulation Program), which is also a very strong image editing program.


There are several reasons. The first is that Photoshop users tend to be 
Photoshop users first and foremost: the operating system is secondary. 
Another reason is that there's an entire software eco-system of 
Photoshop add-on programs that serious Photoshop users expect to have at 
their beck and call. Last but not least, there are major differences 
between Photoshop's MDI (Multiple Document Interface) and GIMP's SDI 
(Single Document Interface). While GIMP will add support for SDI in GIMP 
2.8, in the meantime, moving from Photoshop to GIMP as your primary 
image-editing platform is very difficult.


Carr added, "More interestingly 12000 people gave suggestions for apps 
we had not suggested"





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Re: OT: Mac vs Win partisanship is unnecessary

On Jul 23, 2010, at 11:07 AM, Richmond wrote:

> On 07/23/2010 08:26 PM, Mark Talluto wrote:
>> On Jul 22, 2010, at 10:39 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>> 
>>   
>>> Of course.  Choosing any product, whether it's an OS or a vacuum cleaner, 
>>> should ideally be done on the rational merit of the product.
>>> 
>> Which of your products are you intending to put on the Linux OS?
>> 
>> 
>>   
> Well . . . probably not the vacuum cleaner . . . :)
> 
> We could deploy it on 'another' OS and see which sucks more; cough, cough, 
> cough.

Good one.  ;)
All jest aside, I have really lost the dislike or strong like for any one OS.  
I use them all as needed and find that there is beauty in each.
VMware or Parallels makes it possible to run them all at the very same time.  
That also makes it easy to move code and other files between each OS with ease. 
 I have a powerful Mac that allows me to run all three OS on a single box.  I 
have an 8 core (16 virtual cores), 16GB Ram, dual 24-inch monitor setup for my 
workstation.  I normally run Mac OS X, Win XP, Vista, and 7, normally at the 
very same time.  Toss in a linux derivative and you would need a number of 
computers to cover all of this.  You would also need a pretty big desk.  That 
breaks down to good value for me.

What is nice about Rev is that it is able to run on all of those at the same 
time too.  Once Linux is in feature parity with the others, I might need to run 
Linux in their full time too.

Best regards,

Mark Talluto
http://www.canelasoftware.com

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Re: OT: Mac vs Win partisanship is unnecessary

On Jul 23, 2010, at 11:00 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Mark Talluto wrote:
> 
> > On Jul 22, 2010, at 10:39 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> >
> >> Of course.  Choosing any product, whether it's an OS or a
> >> vacuum cleaner, should ideally be done on the rational
> >> merit of the product.
> >
> > Which of your products are you intending to put on the Linux OS?
> 
> I've been shipping WebMerge on Linux for about a year now, and while we have 
> very few Linux customers it was still worth the low cost of clicking a 
> checkbox in the Standalone Builder. :)
> 
> I make another product for a publisher in Boston for academic markets, and 
> with that one we've been inviting our current users to let us know about 
> their Linux interest.  Being a multinational audience, it's pretty strong.  
> We expect to sell at least a few hundred licenses right out of the starting 
> gate when we release that in Q4.
> 
> Going forward, for my own new products and a good percentage of my clients' 
> apps we're incorporating Linux into our planning from the start.
> 
> It's not any sort of get-rich-quick scheme, but the low cost of the port 
> allows us to pick up even a few extra licensees with a positive return.
> 
> And Linux fans really appreciated it.  A lot.  We get nice email.  It's a lot 
> like the Mac used to be, and in some market segments still is: there's such a 
> dearth of software for the platform that OS fans are happy to spread the good 
> word about vendors supporting it.

I think the good will is worth a lot as well.  I spent a lot of time in the 
past working in all the popular Linux variants at the time.  Worked directly 
with Mark W on the bugs and made a number of posts to Bugzilla to get things in 
feature parity with the other OSs.  I just never could get things to work as 
well in Linux.  Got to know it well though.  I have been out of the Linux scene 
for about two years now and have been following all the interest in it again on 
this list.

On a side note, we found that the countries that wanted linux support also had 
very cheap access ($5.00) to Windows XP.  When we told them that we stopped 
development on Linux, those very same customers purchased licenses to run on 
their shiny new Win systems.  Our market is not geeked up.  They are not really 
computer users at all beyond what their job needs demand.  Thus, the culture to 
run on Linux was not there.  Your market would probably not see it that way.  
Still was an interesting phenomenon.

Best regards,

Mark Talluto
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Re: Heading down the home stretch

On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 12:25 PM, Mark Talluto
 wrote:
> Congratulations!  This is very exciting news.
>
> On Jul 22, 2010, at 2:06 PM, David C. wrote:
>> Question 1:
>> On Windows, what is a sure fire, "will work" folder/filepath location
>> (specialFolderPath) where I can place the preference file/stack that
>> Zygodact needs to use for basic registration security and/or storing
>> user data, regardless of user permission settings?
> We use specialFolderPath(26)
>
>>
>> Question 2:
>> Should I have the installer create the target folder for the
>> preference stack and copy the file accordingly or is it better/easier
>> to cobble together a routine directly in my application to handle
>> that?
> We have our app do all the arrangements if the file is to be created in real 
> time.  If you have a prefs file that is ready to go then have the installer 
> place it for you.
>>
>> Question 3:
>> Do separate sub-stacks need to have the .rev extension or can they be
>> named using something else? MyStack.rev >> MyStack.blah
> You can name your substacks what you like without the dot.rev.
>>
>> Question 4:
>> Should I be concerned about encrypting any sub-stacks, should I choose
>> to separate them?
> If there is code in the substacks that you would like to protect, then you 
> should encrypt them as well.
>>
>> That's about it in a nutshell. I've read just about everything I can
>> find here on the list as well in the documentation on these subjects,
>> but I'm still not convinced that I understand it all well enough. I
>> just need some solid advice from those that have already "been there,
>> done that" so I can get this puppy finished up and out there.
>
> Good luck with your sales.  It would be fun to know what you have created 
> (web page?), and how you plan to market it.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Talluto

Thanks Mark!
Appreciate your input, sir.

I hope to have the packaging (installer) worked out and everything
functional over the weekend and then have the first week in August as
a launch target, but there is still plenty left to do. I've maintained
a handful of unused domains over the years, so I'll be switching hats
and building a site/page for it pretty quickly...

...and here is the kicker:
 Although I honestly never intended for it to be (the initial concept
for my project began some 5 years ago), it's a bit competitive to an
offering by another member here on the list, so I want to
apologetically contact them first  and let them know
what's going on. 

Once all of the above is done, I'll do a small announcement and let
you folks have a look-see.

Best regards,
David C.
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Re: Rev script editor widow corrupted for a single stack

2010-07-23 Thread Jim Lambert

Ah yes, this is the wrong list for DP issues. Richmond, thanks for the reminder.
Jacque, good to hear I'm not the only one who has experienced this. Thanks.
I don't do any snapshots with the stack in question. But maybe something else 
is! I'll check it out.

Jim Lambert


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Re: OT: Mac vs Win partisanship is unnecessary



And Linux fans really appreciated it.  A lot.  We get nice email.  
It's a lot like the Mac used to be, and in some market segments still 
is: there's such a dearth of software for the platform that OS fans 
are happy to spread the good word about vendors supporting it.




2 points:

1. "there's such a dearth of software for the platform"; I find that 
hard to accept.


2. "And Linux fans really appreciated it"; yes, very much so; and, 
particularly with Freeware spinoffs
(such as my Devawriter) there is no effort at all in checking the 'build 
for linux' checkbox, and it
might make all the difference to somebody who only has the possibility 
of some tatty old PC and a Linux distro.

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Re: OT: Mac vs Win partisanship is unnecessary


On 07/23/2010 08:26 PM, Mark Talluto wrote:

On Jul 22, 2010, at 10:39 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

   

Of course.  Choosing any product, whether it's an OS or a vacuum cleaner, 
should ideally be done on the rational merit of the product.
 

Which of your products are you intending to put on the Linux OS?


   

Well . . . probably not the vacuum cleaner . . . :)

We could deploy it on 'another' OS and see which sucks more; cough, 
cough, cough.


However it would be really super if I could deploy both my
Free Devawriter and my pay Devawriter Pro on Linux;
and I mean Linux 32 bit PC, Linux 64 bit PC and PPC.
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Re: OT: Mac vs Win partisanship is unnecessary

2010-07-23 Thread Richard Gaskin

Mark Talluto wrote:

> On Jul 22, 2010, at 10:39 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>
>> Of course.  Choosing any product, whether it's an OS or a
>> vacuum cleaner, should ideally be done on the rational
>> merit of the product.
>
> Which of your products are you intending to put on the Linux OS?

I've been shipping WebMerge on Linux for about a year now, and while we 
have very few Linux customers it was still worth the low cost of 
clicking a checkbox in the Standalone Builder. :)

I make another product for a publisher in Boston for academic markets, 
and with that one we've been inviting our current users to let us know 
about their Linux interest.  Being a multinational audience, it's pretty 
strong.  We expect to sell at least a few hundred licenses right out of 
the starting gate when we release that in Q4.

Going forward, for my own new products and a good percentage of my 
clients' apps we're incorporating Linux into our planning from the start.

It's not any sort of get-rich-quick scheme, but the low cost of the port 
allows us to pick up even a few extra licensees with a positive return.

And Linux fans really appreciated it.  A lot.  We get nice email.  It's 
a lot like the Mac used to be, and in some market segments still is: 
there's such a dearth of software for the platform that OS fans are 
happy to spread the good word about vendors supporting it.

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Re: OT: Mac vs Win partisanship is unnecessary

On Jul 22, 2010, at 10:39 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Of course.  Choosing any product, whether it's an OS or a vacuum cleaner, 
> should ideally be done on the rational merit of the product.

Which of your products are you intending to put on the Linux OS?


Best regards,

Mark Talluto
http://www.canelasoftware.com



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Re: Heading down the home stretch

Congratulations!  This is very exciting news.

On Jul 22, 2010, at 2:06 PM, David C. wrote:
> Question 1:
> On Windows, what is a sure fire, "will work" folder/filepath location
> (specialFolderPath) where I can place the preference file/stack that
> Zygodact needs to use for basic registration security and/or storing
> user data, regardless of user permission settings?
We use specialFolderPath(26)

> 
> Question 2:
> Should I have the installer create the target folder for the
> preference stack and copy the file accordingly or is it better/easier
> to cobble together a routine directly in my application to handle
> that?
We have our app do all the arrangements if the file is to be created in real 
time.  If you have a prefs file that is ready to go then have the installer 
place it for you.
> 
> Question 3:
> Do separate sub-stacks need to have the .rev extension or can they be
> named using something else? MyStack.rev >> MyStack.blah
You can name your substacks what you like without the dot.rev.
> 
> Question 4:
> Should I be concerned about encrypting any sub-stacks, should I choose
> to separate them?
If there is code in the substacks that you would like to protect, then you 
should encrypt them as well.
> 
> That's about it in a nutshell. I've read just about everything I can
> find here on the list as well in the documentation on these subjects,
> but I'm still not convinced that I understand it all well enough. I
> just need some solid advice from those that have already "been there,
> done that" so I can get this puppy finished up and out there.

Good luck with your sales.  It would be fun to know what you have created (web 
page?), and how you plan to market it.

Best regards,

Mark Talluto
http://www.canelasoftware.com



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Re: Rev script editor widow corrupted for a single stack

2010-07-23 Thread J. Landman Gay


On 7/23/10 12:02 PM, Jim Lambert wrote:

Anyone know how to deal with this?

I went to edit the script of a stack and suddenly the contents of
Rev's script editor displays, not the script, but a kind of image of
parts of the current card!


It's true this isn't the right list to discuss dp releases, but since 
this happened to me in much older versions I'll go ahead and answer it.


When it happened to me, I had an import snapshot command that executed 
while the script editor was frontmost, so the image appeared in the 
editor, which is just a stack, after all. I just deleted the image and 
continued on. I'm not sure why restarting Rev didn't fix it, but it may 
be that you saved the editor somehow, or that you have a script that's 
creating snapshots dynamically.


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Re: Rev script editor widow corrupted for a single stack

2010-07-23 Thread Richmond Mathewson


 On 7/23/10 8:02 PM, Jim Lambert wrote:

Anyone know how to deal with this?

I went to edit the script of a stack and suddenly the contents of Rev's script 
editor displays, not the script, but a kind of image of parts of the current 
card!
Quit&  restarted rev.
Same thing.
closed the stack
opened another stack - script editor works just fine for that stack.

reopened original stack - script editor wacky again.
Curiously good ole tRev is able to edit the stack's scripts!

this is dp 3.

rolled back to dp 2
that Script editor has no trouble with editing the stack's scripts

I assume this stack has become somehow corruoted BUT only in regards to dp 3's 
script editor.

Tried 'save as' but problem is inherited by the copy of the stack.

Any one see this before or know how to fix it?
I'm heading into a meeting now will check back in a few hours.



NOT the place for talking about 4.5 developer previews!
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Rev script editor widow corrupted for a single stack

2010-07-23 Thread Jim Lambert

Anyone know how to deal with this?

I went to edit the script of a stack and suddenly the contents of Rev's script 
editor displays, not the script, but a kind of image of parts of the current 
card!
Quit & restarted rev.
Same thing.
closed the stack
opened another stack - script editor works just fine for that stack.

reopened original stack - script editor wacky again.
Curiously good ole tRev is able to edit the stack's scripts!

this is dp 3.

rolled back to dp 2
that Script editor has no trouble with editing the stack's scripts

I assume this stack has become somehow corruoted BUT only in regards to dp 3's 
script editor.

Tried 'save as' but problem is inherited by the copy of the stack.

Any one see this before or know how to fix it?
I'm heading into a meeting now will check back in a few hours.

Thanks in advance,
Jim Lambert


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Re: tRev and Win Vista

2010-07-23 Thread Jerry Daniels

A little background

The biggest reason we added a free trial to tRev was so Windows users could 
make certain tRev ran on their machine. At first we did not want to sell a 
Windows version of tRev, but were strongly encouraged to do so by the revSelect 
management. Understandable. Cross platform being part of the Rev credo. This is 
a "philosophy" for which I'm starting to develop a distaste, btw.

When we got tRev to run on Vista, we limited our support to just that platform. 
We did finally get it running on XP, Vista, 7. But then some machines 
irrespective of the Win OS, failed to communicate with Rev from tRev and vice 
versa after a couple script inspections. My attempts to fix this problem seem 
to have been choreographed by Charlie Chaplin.

But I am very stubborn and will find a way to get this to work on Windows. Much 
of what I have said here I have sent to a handful of users plagued by the 
problem of tRev and one or more machines that couldn't start up properly or 
communicate with Rev to inspect scripts.

I strongly recommend trial-ing tRev before buying it, if you are a Windows 
user.  

Best,

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On Jul 23, 2010, at 11:21 AM, Mark Wieder  wrote:

> David-
> 
> Friday, July 23, 2010, 9:15:12 AM, you wrote:
> 
>> On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 9:02 AM, Mark Talluto
>>  wrote:
>>> tRev does not work at all for me on XP, Vista, or 7. Jerry has
>>> been trying to fix the issue. He told me that it does work for some
>>> of his clients though.  I miss it on the win platform as well.  It
>>> seems to be related to sockets.
>>> 
>>> Mark
> 
>> Same for me here... Vista or Win 7 is a no go.
> 
>> Thanks for trying to resolve it Jerry. Keep us posted if you have any 
>> sucess. :)
> 
> My experience is the same. Fortunately, glx2 keeps on tickin'...
> 
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Re: tRev and Win Vista

2010-07-23 Thread Mark Wieder

David-

Friday, July 23, 2010, 9:15:12 AM, you wrote:

> On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 9:02 AM, Mark Talluto
>  wrote:
>> tRev does not work at all for me on XP, Vista, or 7. Jerry has
>> been trying to fix the issue. He told me that it does work for some
>> of his clients though.  I miss it on the win platform as well.  It
>> seems to be related to sockets.
>>
>> Mark

> Same for me here... Vista or Win 7 is a no go.

> Thanks for trying to resolve it Jerry. Keep us posted if you have any sucess. 
> :)

My experience is the same. Fortunately, glx2 keeps on tickin'...

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Re: tRev and Win Vista

On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 9:02 AM, Mark Talluto  wrote:
> tRev does not work at all for me on XP, Vista, or 7. Jerry has been trying to 
> fix the issue. He told me that it does work for some of his clients though.  
> I miss it on the win platform as well.  It seems to be related to sockets.
>
> Mark

Same for me here... Vista or Win 7 is a no go.

Thanks for trying to resolve it Jerry. Keep us posted if you have any sucess. :)

Best regards,
David C.
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Re: Estimate/Quotation program, help me please.....

2010-07-23 Thread tm274


Hi Al,

Below is an image of what I am using now, I would like to automate this in
program form and add a few questions and answers with pricing so that it is
not only a way to configure a "system" but will give pricing on the spot.

http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/file/n2300376/Configurator.jpg 

I will build the interface for the first portion shortly and upload it for
review and maybe someone will have some ideas on how to code the scripting
for it. Thanks for your input on this project.


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Re: Preference menu in Danish

2010-07-23 Thread J. Landman Gay


On 7/23/10 7:12 AM, JosepM wrote:


But if you change the name? I changed the name and no more appear in the
Application menu...


You can't change the name, but you can set the label to anything you want.

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Re: Estimate/Quotation program, help me please.....

2010-07-23 Thread Devin Asay

On Jul 22, 2010, at 7:17 PM, tm274 wrote:

> 
> I see a one day training course for a kiosk but it appears to be a web based
> program and I am looking to learn or get help to build a windows executable
> that includes option buttons and combo boxes rather than drag and drop. Any
> other thoughts?

That would be the workshop we taught at RevLive '08, with contributions by 
Kevin Miller, myself, Scott Rossi, Jacque Gay, Andre Garzia and the late Bill 
Marriott. We actually showed a progression of how such a kiosk could be built 
(a very simple one, of course,) including a fully-desktop-centric version (the 
first four phases), plus ways to move parts of it to the web (Andre), and how 
to employ a database to store the merchandise data (Bill.)

The contents of the workshop CD can still be downloaded at 
http://asay.byu.edu/revLive-workshopCD.zip

Given your description of what you want to do, there should be some things 
there that will be helpful to you.

Regards,

Devin

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Brigham Young University

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Re: tRev and Win Vista

2010-07-23 Thread Jerry Daniels

Malte, Mark, et al...

Yes, as I put to Len a couple days ago, I have had a hard time covering the 
different versions of Windows and the different versions of Rev. It's been 
sockets (primarily) and the general resistance that Rev seems to have in 
switching from one app to another on Windows.

I have been completely re-doing the sockets and startup code for tRev. We 
actually have a new version that's been in test for a week, but the spotty 
coverage of Windows remains, unfortunately.

Best,

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On Jul 23, 2010, at 9:02 AM, Mark Talluto wrote:

> tRev does not work at all for me on XP, Vista, or 7. Jerry has been trying to 
> fix the issue. He told me that it does work for some of his clients though.  
> I miss it on the win platform as well.  It seems to be related to sockets.   
> 
> Mark
> 
> On Jul 23, 2010, at 2:30 AM, Malte Pfaff-Brill  wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> has anyone had success using tRev under Win Vista?
>> 
>> I love the editor on a Mac, however I am forced to do some Dev under Vista 
>> for a while. I am pretty sure it is something in the OS settings that 
>> prevents tRev from working and would love any pointer I can get. What 
>> happens:
>> 
>> installed tRev in the correct location
>> launch tRev, rev launches
>> on edit script the editor comes up with the correct script, but it won´t 
>> compile after changes have been made
>> 
>> I guess something is blocking messages sent back from tRev to Rev. I 
>> disabled the firewall already to no avail. Anything else I can try?
>> 
>> All the best,
>> 
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Re: tRev and Win Vista

tRev does not work at all for me on XP, Vista, or 7. Jerry has been trying to 
fix the issue. He told me that it does work for some of his clients though.  I 
miss it on the win platform as well.  It seems to be related to sockets.   

Mark

On Jul 23, 2010, at 2:30 AM, Malte Pfaff-Brill  wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> has anyone had success using tRev under Win Vista?
> 
> I love the editor on a Mac, however I am forced to do some Dev under Vista 
> for a while. I am pretty sure it is something in the OS settings that 
> prevents tRev from working and would love any pointer I can get. What happens:
> 
> installed tRev in the correct location
> launch tRev, rev launches
> on edit script the editor comes up with the correct script, but it won´t 
> compile after changes have been made
> 
> I guess something is blocking messages sent back from tRev to Rev. I disabled 
> the firewall already to no avail. Anything else I can try?
> 
> All the best,
> 
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Re: Preference menu in Danish

2010-07-23 Thread Mark Schonewille


Don't change the name.

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On 23 jul 2010, at 14:12, JosepM wrote:



But if you change the name? I changed the name and no more appear in  
the

Application menu...

Salut,
Josep


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Re: Preference menu in Danish

2010-07-23 Thread JosepM


But if you change the name? I changed the name and no more appear in the
Application menu...

Salut,
Josep
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Re: Heading down the home stretch

> Should be Document's and Settings/All Users/Application 
> Data/

> SpecialFolderPath(26) should be safe on any version of Windows.

That was "the" question most needed and it's certainly appreciated.

> Congrats! The pre-release details are a bear, but it's worth it.

Oh my, I sure hope you are right. The closer it gets, the more nervous
I am. The last application(s) that I released into the shareware
market date all the way back to '99 and 2001... I've been a long time
out of the game and much has changed.

Bob & Jacque, thank you very much for the info and assistance. Very
much appreciated.


Best regards,
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Re: revBrowserCallScript?

2010-07-23 Thread Alejandro Tejada


Hi Scott,

Could you post the MD5digest
of the revBrowser DLL that
you are using?

Looks like there are many versions
of this DLL.

When you find that some features
does not works, compare DLL
versions using MD5.

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Re: Estimate/Quotation program, help me please.....

2010-07-23 Thread tm274


Hi Al,

I will work up an example with descriptions. I have had a couple offers from
individuals on this board to build it for me but I really want to learn how
to do it myself. If I can learn to do it myself then I may be able to help
others in the future who are new to developing programs and find themselves
having problems as well. I just do not understand the scripting part and
understand that it takes a while to learn.
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Re: Estimate/Quotation program, help me please.....

2010-07-23 Thread Alejandro Tejada

Hi,

tm274 wrote:
> 
> I see a one day training course for a kiosk but it
> appears to be a web based program and I am
> looking to learn or get help to build a windows
> executable that includes option buttons and combo
> boxes rather than drag and drop. Any other thoughts?
> 

Could you post an example (with buttons names changed)
of the stack that you have built until now?

Probably, your application is simple enough to
create without professional help, but first you
have to complete the conceptual phase of
your creation.

You should be able to describe every part of it
with astounding detail, like if you were using
the application right now.
(including: how the application will handle wrong
user input)

Could you post a complete description of
your application and how to use it?
(You could change names and functions
to protect the privacy of your work)

Thanks in advance!

Al

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