teaser

[Shao Sean]

still low standards but here are a couple little teaser videos of  
stuff i have been working on..



a 5 minute video showing off how to quickly create a basic ftp client  
with the FTP control..

http://www.screentoaster.com/watch/stUElQR0JLRFtXQV1UX19cVlVX/ssftpcontrol


and a shorter (2 minute) video of using the SMTP control..
http://www.screentoaster.com/watch/stUElQR0JLRFtXQV9aWVlZUlRc/sssmtpcontrol



the controls are 100% revTalk and are hidden in compiled applications..
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Re: teaser

[Matthias Rebbe]

That looks promising!
Will the SMTP control support attachments?
When can we test them?

Regards,

Matthias
Am 11.08.2010 um 09:00 schrieb Shao Sean:

> still low standards but here are a couple little teaser videos of stuff i 
> have been working on..
> 
> 
> a 5 minute video showing off how to quickly create a basic ftp client with 
> the FTP control..
> http://www.screentoaster.com/watch/stUElQR0JLRFtXQV1UX19cVlVX/ssftpcontrol
> 
> 
> and a shorter (2 minute) video of using the SMTP control..
> http://www.screentoaster.com/watch/stUElQR0JLRFtXQV9aWVlZUlRc/sssmtpcontrol
> 
> 
> 
> the controls are 100% revTalk and are hidden in compiled applications..
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[OT] O'Reilly eBook deal of the day (top 10 books for USD 9.99)

[Andre Garzia]

Folks,

O'Reilly is promoting a deal that will last only for today. They are
offering their top 10 ebooks for USD 9.99.

Thought you guys might like it.

http://oreilly.com/store/ddbst.html

Cheers
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Re: teaser

[Andre Garzia]

Shao Sean,

You Rock!!!

These are such time savers that I think I could put them into use right now.
Congratulations on very elegant design (loved the callbacks) and overall
developer friendliness. I look forward for the time when these will be
available.

If you have the inclination, please share with us how did you add a control
to the toolbar as well, I liked that.

Cheers
andre

On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 4:00 AM, Shao Sean  wrote:

> still low standards but here are a couple little teaser videos of stuff i
> have been working on..
>
>
> a 5 minute video showing off how to quickly create a basic ftp client with
> the FTP control..
> http://www.screentoaster.com/watch/stUElQR0JLRFtXQV1UX19cVlVX/ssftpcontrol
>
>
> and a shorter (2 minute) video of using the SMTP control..
> http://www.screentoaster.com/watch/stUElQR0JLRFtXQV9aWVlZUlRc/sssmtpcontrol
>
>
>
> the controls are 100% revTalk and are hidden in compiled applications..
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Re: Front scripts vs Behaviors

[Andre Garzia]

Dar Scott had a quite nice stack called "message path primer" which was
great! It was my introduction to rev message path and till today I still
remember it fondly.

Wonder if RevOnline still has it...

Just checked, it does not, but I have his website handy:
http://pages.swcp.com/dsc/revstacks.html





On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 2:10 AM, Mark Wieder  wrote:

> Peter-
>
> Check out Richard Gaskin's writeup on the message path:
>
> http://www.fourthworld.com/embassy/articles/revolution_message_path.html
>
> Behavior objects are not at all like frontscripts, but are more like
> local backscripts. That said, it sounds from your description that
> behaviors fit your purposes more than the use of frontscripts does.
>
> You wouldn't normally pass a message on after a behavior button has
> handled it (or not) because it would be at the end of the message
> path. Behavior objects also allow you to override a default behavior
> when desired.
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Re: the pendingClick

[Colin Holgate]

I was going to post something on those lines too (the one where you set a 
variable to know whether to not do the mouseup after all), but there's a big 
problem. The rules for mousedoubleup are that it is triggered when the mouse is 
released after the double click. That means you could click, click again before 
the doubleclickinterval, but release after the doubleclickinterval. You 
intended to do a double click, but the pending message you had set for the 
mouseup would have already triggered before the mousedoubleup event happens.



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Re: the pendingClick

[Richard Gaskin]

Controls that take different behaviors based on whether a single- or 
double-click has been received often limit the single-click behavior to 
selection, but reserve any action for the double-click.


For example, you may have an Inspector that updates when an object is 
single-clicked, but double-clicking the object may perform an action 
like opening a dialog.  Or in the Mac Finder, single-clicking an icon 
selects it, but double-clicking opens it.  Or a master-detail view in 
which single-clicking an item in a list updates the detail display, and 
double-clicking may trigger a default button in that layout.


Given the dexterity required to distinguish between single- and 
double-clicks, and that some OSes let you alternately use single-clicks 
for double-click actions which creates a very different set of user 
habits, it may be simpler for the user to put those two different 
actions in two different controls, or have some alternate means of 
distinguishing the action to be taken in response to an interaction.


Of course, in all fairness I have no idea about the UI in which this is 
proposed, so feel free to ignore what I've written.  But FWIW, offhand I 
can't think of a control I've encountered in any app in which both 
messages are used for actions, rather than the single-click being 
limited to selection and updating.


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Re: Functions for On-Rev

[Gregory Lypny]

Thanks Alex and Pierre,

Good tips!

Gregory


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Re: [HELP] anyone have a simple handler to add a control to a group programatically?

[Bob Sneidar]

So THAT'S why I spilled my coffee!!!

Bob


On Aug 10, 2010, at 8:13 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> You got a little confused is all. You're supposed to let the *engine* keep 
> the list, not you. :)
> 
> But here's what really happened, and you shouldn't blame yourself. I saw your 
> request but there was nothing I could do until I finished my time warp stack 
> a few years from now. Then I went back to the days of MetaCard and told Dr 
> Raney that there would be this crazy Brazillian guy who was going to need to 
> put controls in groups. Raney agreed to add it to the engine, though he did 
> mention that it was a bit of a stretch. Maybe he just wanted to get rid of 
> me. Anyway, fast forward and here we are in a different alternate timeline, 
> but the changeover happened so fast you lagged a bit before you could snap 
> back to us.
> 
> It's really simple when you know the story.

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Re: [HELP] anyone have a simple handler to add a control to a group programatically?

[Andre Garzia]

You got a little confused is all. You're supposed to let the *engine* keep
the list, not you. :)

>
> But here's what really happened, and you shouldn't blame yourself. I saw
> your request but there was nothing I could do until I finished my time warp
> stack a few years from now. Then I went back to the days of MetaCard and
> told Dr Raney that there would be this crazy Brazillian guy who was going to
> need to put controls in groups. Raney agreed to add it to the engine, though
> he did mention that it was a bit of a stretch. Maybe he just wanted to get
> rid of me. Anyway, fast forward and here we are in a different alternate
> timeline, but the changeover happened so fast you lagged a bit before you
> could snap back to us.
>
> It's really simple when you know the story.


Jacque,

I think that time travel external of yours would make a nice RevSelect
add-on. I want to get it in my 2008 MegaBundle please.

:-D




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Re: Multiple revCursors stacks

[Hershel Fisch]

Hi and thanks, sorry I meant to say subStacks for a main stack.
Also how can I check the dates?
Thanks, Hershel


On 8/10/10 11:31 PM, "J. Landman Gay"  wrote:

> On 8/10/10 2:52 PM, Hershel Fisch wrote:
>> Hi, I¹m wordering why I have multiple stacks with name ³revCursors² and
>> multiple stacks ³macRevCursors²
> 
> I don't know how it happened, but you should only have one of each. If
> they have different dates, keep the newest one.



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Re: revdb_connectionerr

[Peter Haworth]

Thanks for the replies and clarification.  I do normally check the  
result of each db call but came across a circumstance where  
revdb_connectionerr would have been useful.


I like the idea of using try/catch for all db operations and will  
implement that but I guess it relies on knowing what all the possible  
error messages can be.  Is that dependant on which sql implementation  
I'm using (I use sqlite).


However, that gives rise to another question.  I'm using try/catch in  
other places to execute rev commands that are built programmatically.   
All works fine but the error messages that are caught are full of  
sequences of three numbers separated by commas as well as the original  
statement and an English error message (sorry don't have any examples  
immediately to hand).  Does anyone know what those numbers indicate?


Pete Haworth








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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 13:17:32 -0700
From: Bob Sneidar 
Subject: Re: revdb_connectionerr
To: How to use Revolution 
Message-ID: <13879e4d-8eae-45d6-95ac-25601c3df...@twft.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

Agreed. In fact, I put all database operations inside a try/catch  
structure so as not to assault the end user with error dialogs that  
they don't know what to do with. If you are making a TON of calls in  
your app, you may want to consider writing a special database error  
function which knows how to handle all the errors you want in a way  
that the end user (and your app) can work with.


For instance, a "Database temporarily unavailable. Try again?"  
dialog that gives the user a chance to call IT and have them get the  
DB back online without dumping your app mid transaction.


Bob


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Re: Classic CGI on Win

[Mark Wieder]

Malte-

I found the writeup I posted to this list on 18 April 2006 archived at
gmane. I'm posting it in its entirety. In 2006 I was still using a
Win2k server, so some of this is probably different now. I still don't
recommend doing this, but this should at least give you an idea of
what you'd be in for if you did decide to go this route.

-

I don't recommend this, but if you *really* have to get Revolution
working as a cgi service on a Windows server, here's how. Note that
you have to start with having IIS already installed. And you have to
be logged in as an administrator. And that you're probably much better
off installing Apache and working with that. It's more secure and more
stable and open source and easier to configure and work with.

http://www.apache.org/

But if you gotta you gotta...

Basically what you're going to do here is create a directory to hold
the executable and scripts, then configure IIS to know about .cgi
files and associate them with the Revolution executable. Out of the
box, IIS is by design fairly dumb. It knows how to run ASP code
embedded in web pages, but for anything else you have to go through a
lot of contortions.

Start by pointing a web browser at:
http://my.execpc.com/~keithp/bdlognt.htm

Now click on the Section labeled "IIS Server Setup". Don't bother
installing perl unless you're interested in running perl scripts. A
few paragraphs down, however, is that part about creating a cgi-bin
directory *outside* of the inetpub directory. Start from there,
following all the directions verbatim (you don't have to call the
directory "perl-scripts", though). If you're having trouble finding
the Internet Service Manager it's either on the Start Menu in
Administrative Tools or in a control panel named Administrative Tools
or else you don't have IIS installed.

When you reach the part labeled "Setting Up Scripts", stop. Instead of
browsing for the perl interpreter you'll want to find the Revolution
executable. I placed a copy in the cgi-bin folder just to make things
easy on myself, but if you have Revolution installed you can just
browse to the file in your Revolution folder. Add the parameter string
(without quotes) after the executable, so you should end up with:

C:\cgi-bin\revolution.exe %s

Create the canonical "hello.cgi" test script as a text file and copy
it to the same cgi-bin directory you dumped the executable in. Note
that Windows will ignore the #!revolution line at the beginning of the
file, so it doesn't matter what it says, or even if it exists at all.

Launch a DOS command window from the start menu. Assuming that you've
called your cgi-bin directory "cgi-bin", type

cd \cgi-bin
revolution hello.cgi >test.txt

Type dir. You should see a 39-byte file named "test.txt".

Type test.txt

You should see "Hello World!". This verifies that your script is
correct.

Now you're configured and ready to go. Close the ISM if you haven't
already, launch Services from the Administrative Tools, and launch the
World Wide Web Publishing Service down at the bottom. If it isn't
started already then right-click on it and select "Start" from the
contextual menu.

Once it's up and running go to a client computer, launch a web
browser, and point it at the hello.cgi file. In my case, my Win2k
server is at 192.168.0.253, so I go to:

http://192.168.0.253/cgi-bin/hello.cgi

You should now see the text "Hello World!" on your browser.

Whoopee. You could've done all that by installing Apache, but you'd
miss the headaches, and what fun would that be?

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Re: revdb_connectionerr

[Pierre Sahores]

Hi Pete,

In checking the result of a db connection, each time the POST or GET command 
did'nt return the expected reply from the cgi or irev script, you will get 
directly the SQL backend debug comment in the detailed level mode as set in 
your db server prefs. Always very usefull, at least in using PostgreSQL.

HTH,

Pierre

Le 11 août 2010 à 18:42, Peter Haworth a écrit :

> Thanks for the replies and clarification.  I do normally check the result of 
> each db call but came across a circumstance where revdb_connectionerr would 
> have been useful.
> 
> I like the idea of using try/catch for all db operations and will implement 
> that but I guess it relies on knowing what all the possible error messages 
> can be.  Is that dependant on which sql implementation I'm using (I use 
> sqlite).
> 
> However, that gives rise to another question.  I'm using try/catch in other 
> places to execute rev commands that are built programmatically.  All works 
> fine but the error messages that are caught are full of sequences of three 
> numbers separated by commas as well as the original statement and an English 
> error message (sorry don't have any examples immediately to hand).  Does 
> anyone know what those numbers indicate?
> 
> Pete Haworth
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Aug 11, 2010, at 8:12 AM, use-revolution-requ...@lists.runrev.com wrote:
> 
>> Message: 9
>> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 13:17:32 -0700
>> From: Bob Sneidar 
>> Subject: Re: revdb_connectionerr
>> To: How to use Revolution 
>> Message-ID: <13879e4d-8eae-45d6-95ac-25601c3df...@twft.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>> 
>> Agreed. In fact, I put all database operations inside a try/catch structure 
>> so as not to assault the end user with error dialogs that they don't know 
>> what to do with. If you are making a TON of calls in your app, you may want 
>> to consider writing a special database error function which knows how to 
>> handle all the errors you want in a way that the end user (and your app) can 
>> work with.
>> 
>> For instance, a "Database temporarily unavailable. Try again?" dialog that 
>> gives the user a chance to call IT and have them get the DB back online 
>> without dumping your app mid transaction.
>> 
>> Bob
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Re: Front scripts vs Behaviors

[Peter Haworth]

Thanks Mark.  I've read Richard's write up before, very useful.

Maybe if I explain a bit more what I'm trying to achieve.  I've  
written a development framework for my apps which serves as the  
interface between controls on cards and my sqlite database.  Groups on  
the card are tied to a db table and controls in the group are tied to  
columns in the table related to the group.  Every time the user  
modifies the content of a control, my frontscripts handle the updating  
of the database in handlers such as menuPick, closeField, etc.


Sometimes, a specific control may need some "local" logic to handle  
things it needs to do other than just updating the db (changing the  
contents of another field, recalculate totals, stuff like that).  The  
front script handlers pass their respective messages on so I can write  
that "local" logic as a handler for that specific instance of that  
type of control.


If I switch over to behaviors (and I'm inclined to do that)  I need a  
way to handle this "local" logic since, as you say, the messages wont;  
ever make it to the actual control, but I still need the database  
update to occur in the behavior.  I'm thinking perhaps if I have  
handlers in the controls themselves named something like  
"localMenuPick" or something similar then have the behavior menuPick  
handler send/dispatch a localMenuPick messge to the control, that  
might work?


Pete


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Message: 27
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 22:10:09 -0700
From: Mark Wieder 
Subject: Re: Front scripts vs Behaviors
To: How to use Revolution 
Message-ID: <136648291062.20100810221...@ahsoftware.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

Peter-

Check out Richard Gaskin's writeup on the message path:

http://www.fourthworld.com/embassy/articles/revolution_message_path.html

Behavior objects are not at all like frontscripts, but are more like
local backscripts. That said, it sounds from your description that
behaviors fit your purposes more than the use of frontscripts does.

You wouldn't normally pass a message on after a behavior button has
handled it (or not) because it would be at the end of the message
path. Behavior objects also allow you to override a default behavior
when desired.

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Re: [HELP] anyone have a simple handler to add a control to a group programatically?

[Peter Haworth]

I would love to see the ability to drag/drop controls into or out of a  
group in the Application Browser window.  Sometimes ungrouping, select/ 
deselect control, group can be really error prone if nested groups/ 
hidden fields are involved.


Pete

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Message: 20
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 20:10:09 -0500
From: "J. Landman Gay" 
Subject: Re: [HELP] anyone have a simple handler to add a control to a
group programatically?
To: How to use Revolution 
Message-ID: <4c61f871.9020...@hyperactivesw.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

On 8/10/10 8:04 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:

Folks,

Trying not to reinvent the wheel here. I am working with some  
runtime group

creations but I like to be able to add controls to an existing group.
Checked the docs and did not found anything like that. Did anyone  
here

created such command?

Thanks in advance
Andre "groups inside groups inside groups inside..." Garzia



Use: create  in grp . For example:
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Re: [HELP] anyone have a simple handler to add a control to a group programatically?

[Andre Garzia]

Pete,

That is a really useful feature request. Bugzilla it and we'll vote!

Andre

On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 2:09 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:

> I would love to see the ability to drag/drop controls into or out of a
> group in the Application Browser window.  Sometimes ungrouping,
> select/deselect control, group can be really error prone if nested
> groups/hidden fields are involved.
>
> Pete
>
>
> On Aug 11, 2010, at 8:12 AM, use-revolution-requ...@lists.runrev.comwrote:
>
>  Message: 20
>> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 20:10:09 -0500
>> From: "J. Landman Gay" 
>> Subject: Re: [HELP] anyone have a simple handler to add a control to a
>>group programatically?
>> To: How to use Revolution 
>> Message-ID: <4c61f871.9020...@hyperactivesw.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>>
>> On 8/10/10 8:04 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:
>>
>>> Folks,
>>>
>>> Trying not to reinvent the wheel here. I am working with some runtime
>>> group
>>> creations but I like to be able to add controls to an existing group.
>>> Checked the docs and did not found anything like that. Did anyone here
>>> created such command?
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance
>>> Andre "groups inside groups inside groups inside..." Garzia
>>>
>>>
>> Use: create  in grp . For example:
>>  create btn "newBtn" in group "groupTwo"
>>
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>>
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Microsoft Win XP and read only folders

[Mark Talluto]

Today we had an issue with XP and its intentional desire to set folders in 
specialPath(26) to read only.   If you ever find that your update tech or prefs 
logic fail when it shouldn't, you may have fallen victim to permissions being 
set to read only.  Keep in mind that MS does this on purpose in XP under 
certain circumstances.  The link below explains the issue further.  It also has 
a workaround to clear this up.  A restart of the OS is required for it to take 
effect.  

I hope this helps you solve this issue for your clients before it becomes a 
bigger problem.  We are considering adding code to our products that set this 
registry key up automatically to prevent this from happening again.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/256614


Best regards,

Mark Talluto
http://www.canelasoftware.com





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Re: Microsoft Win XP and read only folders

[Bob Sneidar]

The thing that scares me about your approach, is the (some software will not 
operate correctly with the system attribute" disclaimer. I would be very 
reticent to change any installations default system behavior if it might cause 
problems for other software down the road. 

Obviously, this is a generalization, and in your case may prove to be benign. 

Bob


On Aug 11, 2010, at 10:34 AM, Mark Talluto wrote:

> Today we had an issue with XP and its intentional desire to set folders in 
> specialPath(26) to read only.   If you ever find that your update tech or 
> prefs logic fail when it shouldn't, you may have fallen victim to permissions 
> being set to read only.  Keep in mind that MS does this on purpose in XP 
> under certain circumstances.  The link below explains the issue further.  It 
> also has a workaround to clear this up.  A restart of the OS is required for 
> it to take effect.  
> 
> I hope this helps you solve this issue for your clients before it becomes a 
> bigger problem.  We are considering adding code to our products that set this 
> registry key up automatically to prevent this from happening again.
> 
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/256614
> 
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Mark Talluto
> http://www.canelasoftware.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [HELP] anyone have a simple handler to add a control to a group programatically?

[Mark Wieder]

Andre, Pete-

Wednesday, August 11, 2010, 10:16:27 AM, you wrote:

> Pete,

> That is a really useful feature request. Bugzilla it and we'll vote!

tRev does this already.

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Re: Multiple revCursors stacks

[J. Landman Gay]

On 8/11/10 11:07 AM, Hershel Fisch wrote:

Hi and thanks, sorry I meant to say subStacks for a main stack.
Also how can I check the dates?


I see, it was an inclusion in a standalone. In that case you'll need to 
delete the duplicate stacks manually using the Application Browser. 
Right-click on the stack you want to delete in the app browser's list to 
do that.


You can't check the dates on substacks, but if you've been building 
multiple times in the same version of Rev then they're identical. I'm 
not sure why Rev would have included the stacks twice, it's supposed to 
check for that. Did you manually copy the cursor stacks as substacks?


If you aren't sure whether the substacks are identical then just delete 
them all and let the standalone builder include them again on the next 
build.


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Re: [HELP] anyone have a simple handler to add a control to a group programatically?

[J. Landman Gay]

On 8/11/10 10:52 AM, Andre Garzia wrote:


I think that time travel external of yours would make a nice RevSelect
add-on. I want to get it in my 2008 MegaBundle please.


How do you know you didn't?

:)

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Re: Front scripts vs Behaviors

[Mark Wieder]

Peter-

Wednesday, August 11, 2010, 10:01:05 AM, you wrote:

> interface between controls on cards and my sqlite database.  Groups on
> the card are tied to a db table and controls in the group are tied to
> columns in the table related to the group.

Cool. I've thought of doing something like that.

> If I switch over to behaviors (and I'm inclined to do that)  I need a
> way to handle this "local" logic since, as you say, the messages wont;
> ever make it to the actual control, but I still need the database  

No, I did *not* say that (or at least didn't mean that). Messages
won't get passed farther down the path (card, stack, backscripts...)
*unless* you do something yourself. If you have a handler (e.g.,
mouseUp) in the behavior button and not in the target button you can
use the dispatch message in the behavior button to pass a message to
the target.

behavior:
on mouseUp
  doSomething
  dispatch doMouseUp to me
end mouseUp

target1:
on doMouseUp
 -- change contents of another field
end doMouseUp

target2:
on doMouseUp
 --  recalculate totals
end doMouseUp

target3:
on doMouseUp
 --  stuff like that
end doMouseUp

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Re: teaser

[Shao Sean]

Will the SMTP control support attachments?

If you need this now, look for our old MIME Encoding library..


When can we test them?

We feel that the quality of them is too low to publicly test..

Congratulations on very elegant design (loved the callbacks) and  
overall

developer friendliness

thank you.. it was what we were going for..


please share with us how did you add a control
to the toolbar as well, I liked that.

copy group ;-)
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Re: teaser

[Shao Sean]

we were asked off-list but we figured an on-list reply would be  
beneficial to anyone else wondering..


the ftp control does not use libURL but a completely brand new code  
base that is non-blocking and allows for multiple connections  
(including multiple downloads).. keep in mind that rev is single  
threaded so too much at once will start to affect the performance of  
your application..

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Re: [HELP] anyone have a simple handler to add a control to a group programatically?

[Bob Sneidar]

Look I keep spilling my coffee into these temporal rifts that time travel 
external opens up next to my desk. Do you have any idea how hot coffee coming 
through a temporal rift could alter time for all of us? And why MY desk??

Bob


On Aug 11, 2010, at 11:40 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> On 8/11/10 10:52 AM, Andre Garzia wrote:
>> 
>> I think that time travel external of yours would make a nice RevSelect
>> add-on. I want to get it in my 2008 MegaBundle please.
> 
> How do you know you didn't?
> 
> :)
> 
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Find or Search Function

[Ted Mills]

Does anyone know of a tutorial showing how to create a search function or a
find function that can be used to search all cards in a stack for a certain
word that may be in all fields and then going to that card as well as have
next and previous functionality to find each instance of the search? I have
been looking through all documentation and the web and can only find the
find command in the revolution dictionary but nothing real explanation.
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Re: [OT] Moving forward

[Peter Brigham MD]

While we're quoting nuns...

The only way I know what I really believe is by keeping watch over  
what I do. -- Sister Helen Prejean


-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
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http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig


On Aug 10, 2010, at 9:01 AM, William Roger Moseid wrote:


Bravo, Jerry!

Jerry Daniels wrote:
(The following quote has helped me through the ups and downs of  
business and life over the years. Thought I'd share it.


"If you are kind, people may accuse you of selfish, ulterior  
motives; be kind anyway. If you are successful, you will win some  
false friends and some true enemies; succeed anyway. If you are  
honest and frank, people may cheat you; be honest and frank anyway.  
What you spend years building, someone could destroy overnight;  
build anyway."


- Mother Teresa)

I belive Mother Teresa lived what she quoted:
"Love your neighbor as you love yourself"

Best,

William




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Re: Find or Search Function

[DunbarX]

There always seems to be a better way, but you can always:

on mouseUp
ask "Find?"
if it <> "" then put it into tFind
repeat with y = 1 to the number of cds
   repeat with u = 1 to the number of flds of cd y
  if tFind is in fld u of cd y then put "fld id" && the id of fld u 
of cd y && "of" && "Card id" && the id of cd y & return after temp
   end repeat
end repeat
answer temp
end mouseUp
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Re: [OT] Moving forward

[Colin Holgate]

On Aug 11, 2010, at 3:53 PM, Peter Brigham MD wrote:

> The only way I know what I really believe is by keeping watch over what I do. 
> -- Sister Helen Prejean

I met her once. She seemed nice. It was in connection with a HyperCard based 
version of Dead Man Walking.



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Re: Multiple revCursors stacks

[Hershel Fisch]

Hi and thanks,
Sorry didn't express myself properly, so I'll try to elaborate a bit,
When I open RunRev everything sounds fine, I then open my App. A message
comes up saying "A stack "revMacCursors" is already in memory. The
Revolution UI does not distinguish stacks which have identical names,so
editing these stack files  while both are in memory could result in data
loss." with an "ok" btn.
I hit "ok" the app. Opens up, then I go to the application browser I see
multiple substacks of "revCursors" and multi mainStacks of "revMacCursors".
Now, which one do I delete, Since there is no date on them?
Thanks in advanced, Hershel


On 8/10/10 11:31 PM, "J. Landman Gay"  wrote:

> On 8/10/10 2:52 PM, Hershel Fisch wrote:
>> Hi, I¹m wordering why I have multiple stacks with name ³revCursors² and
>> multiple stacks ³macRevCursors²
> 
> I don't know how it happened, but you should only have one of each. If
> they have different dates, keep the newest one.



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Re: Find or Search Function

[Colin Holgate]

In HyperCard you could speed up that sort of thing by saying:

unmark all cards
mark cards by finding "whatever"
repeat with a = 1 to the number of marked cards
  go marked card a
  --then run around the fields if you need to
end repeat

That may well work the same in Rev, and might make things faster. Perhaps throw 
in a lock messages and lock screen if you're just collecting a list of results.




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Re: [HELP] anyone have a simple handler to add a control to a group programatically?

[Peter Brigham MD]

On Aug 10, 2010, at 11:13 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:


On 8/10/10 8:47 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:

:-O x 1

Is it that simple?!!? :-O


*GASP*

I can code a whole web server in Rev but could not do it! :-D

Now, for your amusement, I will tell you what I was doing. I kept a  
"Stack"

(the datastructure not the file format) with all the long ids of the
controls in a group. If I needed to add one control to a group. I'd  
ungroup
them, then, assemble a string with all the long ids plus the new  
control and

group them again.

I knew it was supposed to be easier than that...


You got a little confused is all. You're supposed to let the  
*engine* keep the list, not you. :)


But here's what really happened, and you shouldn't blame yourself. I  
saw your request but there was nothing I could do until I finished  
my time warp stack a few years from now. Then I went back to the  
days of MetaCard and told Dr Raney that there would be this crazy  
Brazillian guy who was going to need to put controls in groups.  
Raney agreed to add it to the engine, though he did mention that it  
was a bit of a stretch. Maybe he just wanted to get rid of me.  
Anyway, fast forward and here we are in a different alternate  
timeline, but the changeover happened so fast you lagged a bit  
before you could snap back to us.


It's really simple when you know the story.


see:
http://xkcd.com/338/

-- Peter

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Re: [HELP] anyone have a simple handler to add a control to a group programatically?

[Peter Brigham MD]

On Aug 11, 2010, at 2:34 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:


Andre, Pete-

Wednesday, August 11, 2010, 10:16:27 AM, you wrote:


Pete,



That is a really useful feature request. Bugzilla it and we'll vote!


("I would love to see the ability to drag/drop controls into or out of  
a group in the Application Browser window.  Sometimes ungrouping,  
select/deselect control, group can be really error prone if nested  
groups/hidden fields are involved.")



tRev does this already.


... as does revNavigator (plugin, should be included with the IDE).

-- Peter

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Date to Days

[Francis Nugent Dixon]

Hi from Beautiful Brittany,

Has any kind soul (not on holiday) got a script
for converting a date to a number of days
(any recent base such as 1900 will suffice).

With Thanks

- Francis

"Nothing should ever be done for the first time !"
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Re: Date to Days

[Roger . E . Eller]

Francis Nugent Dixon wrote:
> Has any kind soul (not on holiday) got a script
> for converting a date to a number of days
> (any recent base such as 1900 will suffice).

You will have to do some math to acheive days, but here is a start.

>From the Rev Dictionary:
convert the date && the time to seconds

Note:  The range of dates that the convert command can handle is limited by
the operating system's date routines. In particular, Windows systems are
limited to dates after 1/1/1970.


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RE: ListMagic Users: Cannot import LM data with the status of checkboxes

[Jim Bufalini]

Hi Charles,

The checkboxes are not part of an export or import. They are only active
when you are using the list and their status is not saved. In this sense
they are similar to highlighting a line. The line highlight is also not
saved in an export or restored in an import.

If this is important to you, you can separately record which boxes are
checked using the LMGetCheckedBoxes and save the list of checked boxes off
to a small text file and then use the LMSetCheckedBoxes to check off the
ones you saved the next time the list is displayed.

Aloha from Hawaii,

Jim Bufalini

Charles wrote: 
> 
> I love List Magic. It makes it extremely easy to make lists in Rev
> apps.
> After using the syntax given in the docs to export and then import LM
> lists,
> I found that the status of the checkboxes in the second header are not
> being
> imported when you import the list back into your app. Has any LM users
> run
> into this problem?
> 
> If so, how did you deal with it? I would be happy to share my export
> and
> import scripts to compare notes about this problem!
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Re: Date to Days

[Jim Ault]

Study Sarah's offering from her web site

  http://troz.net/rev/index.irev?category=Library#stacks

look for "DateTime" stack


On Aug 11, 2010, at 1:40 PM, Francis Nugent Dixon wrote:


Hi from Beautiful Brittany,

Has any kind soul (not on holiday) got a script
for converting a date to a number of days
(any recent base such as 1900 will suffice).

With Thanks



Jim Ault
Las Vegas



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Re: Find or Search Function

[Ted Mills]

Thanks for the response's. I will give it a shot and see what happens.
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SoCal Rev User Group meeting: Thursday, August 19th

[Richard Gaskin]

The next meeting of the Southern California Rev User Group will be on 
Thursday, August 19th, at 7PM in Glendale.


Early birds can meet at 6PM at the restaurant across the street to share 
a meal before the meeting.


One of the topics being presented is an overview of Rev on Linux; other 
topics in the works.


If you're in SoCal feel free to join - the meeting is open to every Rev 
developer.


Details here:


Looking forward to seeing you there -

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Dividing Line in Button

[Dan Friedman]

Greetings...

You can add a dividing line in a option menu (a button who's menuMode is set to 
"option") on the Mac by simply putting a "-" into a line in the button's text.  
How do you get a dividing line on Windows?  All I get is the dash.

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Re: Dividing Line in Button

[Richard Gaskin]

Dan Friedman wrote:
> You can add a dividing line in a option menu (a button who's
> menuMode is set to "option") on the Mac by simply putting a
> "-" into a line in the button's text.  How do you get a
> dividing line on Windows?  All I get is the dash.

Not supported by the Win HIG - I say ignore the HIG and add it in the 
engine anyway:




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Re: Microsoft Win XP and read only folders

[Mark Talluto]

I have not decided one way or the other just yet.  We have the luxury though of 
having the hardware to ourselves.  Our software stands alone on the hardware as 
the equipment it runs on has one central focus.  This may not work well for 
those that make apps that must exist with the rest of the world.

I still believe that on a tech support level, the information presented may 
help someone else one day.  

Best regards,

Mark Talluto
http://www.canelasoftware.com



On Aug 11, 2010, at 10:42 AM, Bob Sneidar wrote:

> The thing that scares me about your approach, is the (some software will not 
> operate correctly with the system attribute" disclaimer. I would be very 
> reticent to change any installations default system behavior if it might 
> cause problems for other software down the road. 
> 
> Obviously, this is a generalization, and in your case may prove to be benign. 
> 
> Bob
> 
> 
> On Aug 11, 2010, at 10:34 AM, Mark Talluto wrote:
> 
>> Today we had an issue with XP and its intentional desire to set folders in 
>> specialPath(26) to read only.   If you ever find that your update tech or 
>> prefs logic fail when it shouldn't, you may have fallen victim to 
>> permissions being set to read only.  Keep in mind that MS does this on 
>> purpose in XP under certain circumstances.  The link below explains the 
>> issue further.  It also has a workaround to clear this up.  A restart of the 
>> OS is required for it to take effect.  
>> 
>> I hope this helps you solve this issue for your clients before it becomes a 
>> bigger problem.  We are considering adding code to our products that set 
>> this registry key up automatically to prevent this from happening again.
>> 
>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/256614
>> 
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> Mark Talluto
>> http://www.canelasoftware.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: SoCal Rev User Group meeting: Thursday, August 19th

[Bill Vlahos]

Yay! Thanks Richard. I'll be there.

Bill Vlahos
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On Aug 11, 2010, at 4:47 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> The next meeting of the Southern California Rev User Group will be on 
> Thursday, August 19th, at 7PM in Glendale.
> 
> Early birds can meet at 6PM at the restaurant across the street to share a 
> meal before the meeting.
> 
> One of the topics being presented is an overview of Rev on Linux; other 
> topics in the works.
> 
> If you're in SoCal feel free to join - the meeting is open to every Rev 
> developer.
> 
> Details here:
> 
> 
> Looking forward to seeing you there -
> 
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Re: Multiple revCursors stacks

[J. Landman Gay]

On 8/11/10 3:12 PM, Hershel Fisch wrote:

Hi and thanks,
Sorry didn't express myself properly, so I'll try to elaborate a bit,
When I open RunRev everything sounds fine, I then open my App. A message
comes up saying "A stack "revMacCursors" is already in memory. The
Revolution UI does not distinguish stacks which have identical names,so
editing these stack files  while both are in memory could result in data
loss." with an "ok" btn.
I hit "ok" the app. Opens up, then I go to the application browser I see
multiple substacks of "revCursors" and multi mainStacks of "revMacCursors".
Now, which one do I delete, Since there is no date on them?


It sounds like your stack has the cursor stacks embedded in it as 
substacks, which conflict with those already in the IDE. But check to 
make sure:


In the Finder (or Windows Explorer if you're on a PC) look in Rev's main 
program folder, in a subfolder called Toolset. See if there are two 
copies of revCursors and revMacCursors in there. If so, that's where you 
can compare dates and delete the oldest two. If not, then the IDE is 
fine. It probably is.


In Rev's application browser, open the problem stack and look at its 
substacks. You should see the cursor stacks in there as substacks of 
your own stack. Delete them both. Your own stack should not include any 
cursor stacks. If you need the cursors in a standalone, just assign them 
in Standalone Settings instead.


Save your stack and reopen it. The error should be gone.

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HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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Re: Microsoft Win XP and read only folders

[Mark Wieder]

Mark-

Wednesday, August 11, 2010, 10:34:58 AM, you wrote:

> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/256614

The technote says it applies only to Win2k. Are you saying that you
also had the same problem on XP and that applying the registry key
fixed the problem?

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