Re: XML+MySQL+UTF8 = MISERY

[Mark Wieder]

Tereza-

Thursday, September 16, 2010, 10:39:01 PM, you wrote:

> Does anything stand out to those of you who have used MySQL? and revXML? and 
> utf8?

I haven't used that combination, particularly the utf8 part, but off
the top of my head, I'd say one problem looks like MySQL is making
crlf pairs from your cr characters. When you say that you're using an
insert command to put the data into the database, are you storing it
as a BLOB?

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XML+MySQL+UTF8 = MISERY

[Tereza Snyder]

Hi all,

In Rev (version 4.0) on a Mac :

1. Build an xml file starting with a 'shell' :
put revCreateXMLTree( encodeUtf8( merge(fld "XMLshell")), true,true,false) 
into tmp

1a. the shell has the header: 

1b. the encodeUtf8 function:
 return uniDecode(uniEncode(pStr,"UTF8"),"english")

2. I add about a thousand nodes to the xml. (It's a branching survey.)

3. I save it with:  put tXML into URL ("file:" & tDestinationFilePath) 
where tDestinationFilePath is a local file

4. The file is copied to a remote server

5. I download it in a Rev app via FTP (using libURL)

6. In the app, I make a new xml tree: 
put revCreateXMLTree( tXML, false, true, false) into tTreeID

6a I 'score' the survey by updating attributes and contents,

6b I put the xml into a variable:
 put encodeUtf8( revXMLText( tID ,,true)) into tData

6c I save it back to the FTP server.

7. I download the file as in step 5 and work with it and save it via FTP, ad 
infinitum

=
ALL THE ABOVE STEPS WORK RELIABLY
=

Now I want to alter the sequence to store the scored survey xml in a MySQL 
database :

1. As above

2. As above

3. As above

4. As above

5. As above

6. As above

   6a As above
   
   6b I upload the scored survey to a MySQL database on the remote server, 
first escaping it:
   put revXMLText( gTaxoDataA[gCurrentSlot][kID] ,,true) into tXML
   replace "\" with "\\" in tXML
   replace quote with "\" & quote in tXML
   replace "'" with "\'" in tXML
   replace tab with "\t" in tXML
   replace cr with "\n" in tXML
   put encodeUtf8( tXML ) into tData
   
6c I use INSERT to put tData into a column named "xml" in the MySQL database

6d Using other tools like Navicat, I see that the xml column does indeed 
contain the xml
  
7. I use a SELECT statement to retreive the xml, and attempt to make an xml 
tree again BUT no matter what I do with encoding or decoding or whatever, I get 
this error from revCreateXMLTree:

"xmlerr, can't parse xml no root element"


--> If I load the file from the first sequence into BBEdit, BBEdit reports that 
it is utf8, with "Unix (LF)" line endings.

--> If save the xml I get back from the MySQL in the second sequence--as a file 
or a binfile--and load the file into BBEdit, BBEdit reports that it is utf8, 
with "Classic Mac (CR)" line endings.

I thought, "Oh boy! thats it!" but NO. 

I replaced numToChar(13) with numToChar(10) in the xml from MySQL, but still 
the same error on attempting to make an xml tree. 

The xml itself looks identical and BBEdit says there are no differences, but it 
also says there are about 7000 more characters in the MySQL version! What's up 
with that?

Does anything stand out to those of you who have used MySQL? and revXML? and 
utf8? 

Is there hope?

t




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Re: Slow launch times on Windows 7

[William de Smet]

I don't know if it is related but Mark Schonewille advised me to 'set dontuseQT 
to true' on startup on a very slow app on Win7 (core2duo with 2 Gb ram). It 
worked perfectly! 

Greetings,

William

-
Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPhone!

Op 17 sep. 2010 om 01:31 heeft zryip theSlug  het 
volgende geschreven:

> On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 1:15 AM, zryip theSlug  
> wrote:
>> On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 12:58 AM, J. Landman Gay
>>  wrote:
>>> On 9/16/10 5:49 PM, zryip theSlug wrote:
>>> 
 That seems not logical here if your problem could be solved by a new
 installation of Seven and not by a code modification.
>>> 
>>> Just to clarify, the tech queue (I work there for a couple hours daily) had
>>> one other RR customer who reported the same problem and he solved it by
>>> reinstalling Win7. Riccardo did not reinstall, he is trying to find the root
>>> cause instead. That appears to be difficult to do. :(
> 
> If Ricardo can install a new Seven on another PC and try a launch of
> his application in it, we could be sure that he has the same problem
> than the other customer. So it could be a good mean to confirm a
> system problem or exclude this possibility.
> In my experience on supporting things, sometimes you think to have an
> identical symptom but you have several causes.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> -- 
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Re: Mac OS X - how to darken screen?

[Phil Davis]

 Outrageous! Very cool. Thanks Andre.
Phil



On 9/16/10 6:41 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:

You can take a screenshot of the screen and manipulate it to darken it.

On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 10:32 PM, Phil Davis  wrote:


  I want to darken my Mac screen (not just a stack window) the way a slide
presentation would do it at its beginning, and then bring it up again to
reveal what has been changed. Does anyone have an AppleScript or a shell()
command for this that can be run from Rev?

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Re: Mac OS X - how to darken screen?

[Mark Wieder]

Andre-

Thursday, September 16, 2010, 6:41:30 PM, you wrote:

> You can take a screenshot of the screen and manipulate it to darken it.

Oo... sneaky...

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Re: Mac OS X - how to darken screen?

[Andre Garzia]

You can take a screenshot of the screen and manipulate it to darken it.

On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 10:32 PM, Phil Davis  wrote:

>  I want to darken my Mac screen (not just a stack window) the way a slide
> presentation would do it at its beginning, and then bring it up again to
> reveal what has been changed. Does anyone have an AppleScript or a shell()
> command for this that can be run from Rev?
>
> Thanks!
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>
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> Professional Software Development
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Mac OS X - how to darken screen?

[Phil Davis]

 I want to darken my Mac screen (not just a stack window) the way a slide 
presentation would do it at its beginning, and then bring it up again to reveal 
what has been changed. Does anyone have an AppleScript or a shell() command for 
this that can be run from Rev?


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Re: How to get environment VARS in iRev

[Mark Wieder]

Sivakatirswami-

Thursday, September 16, 2010, 3:59:08 PM, you wrote:

> What are our iRev options?

Try looking at the keys of the $_SERVER array:

put "SERVER:" && the keys of $_SERVER & ""

You can then pick out individual elements as in:

put $_SERVER[HTTP_REFERER]

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Re: Slow launch times on Windows 7

[zryip theSlug]

On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 1:15 AM, zryip theSlug  wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 12:58 AM, J. Landman Gay
>  wrote:
>> On 9/16/10 5:49 PM, zryip theSlug wrote:
>>
>>> That seems not logical here if your problem could be solved by a new
>>> installation of Seven and not by a code modification.
>>
>> Just to clarify, the tech queue (I work there for a couple hours daily) had
>> one other RR customer who reported the same problem and he solved it by
>> reinstalling Win7. Riccardo did not reinstall, he is trying to find the root
>> cause instead. That appears to be difficult to do. :(

If Ricardo can install a new Seven on another PC and try a launch of
his application in it, we could be sure that he has the same problem
than the other customer. So it could be a good mean to confirm a
system problem or exclude this possibility.
In my experience on supporting things, sometimes you think to have an
identical symptom but you have several causes.


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Re: How to get environment VARS in iRev

[Monte Goulding]

put the globalNames to see what's available

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Re: Slow launch times on Windows 7

[zryip theSlug]

On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 12:58 AM, J. Landman Gay
 wrote:
> On 9/16/10 5:49 PM, zryip theSlug wrote:
>
>> That seems not logical here if your problem could be solved by a new
>> installation of Seven and not by a code modification.
>
> Just to clarify, the tech queue (I work there for a couple hours daily) had
> one other RR customer who reported the same problem and he solved it by
> reinstalling Win7. Riccardo did not reinstall, he is trying to find the root
> cause instead. That appears to be difficult to do. :(

Ah thanks Jacque. I'm confusing things.

In the case of Riccardo he has an application of 45MB and as far as I
have understood Giovanni with my rudimentary italian (and google ;)),
buffered or not the stacks in memory, has a significative impact on
Vista (50%) and less impact on Seven (12.5%).

Do you know the size of the application of the other customer who has
encountered the problem?




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How to get environment VARS in iRev

[Sivakatirswami]

 I need to be able to grab the standard web server runtime environment 
variables in iRev pages.


a string like this:

" 
type="hidden" />


is not processed by iRev the apache include module is not active.

What are our iRev options?

I tried



on my test page, just see if the environment vars are available, but got 
nada.


any help there?

Sivakatirswami

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Re: Slow launch times on Windows 7

[J. Landman Gay]

On 9/16/10 5:49 PM, zryip theSlug wrote:


That seems not logical here if your problem could be solved by a new
installation of Seven and not by a code modification.


Just to clarify, the tech queue (I work there for a couple hours daily) 
had one other RR customer who reported the same problem and he solved it 
by reinstalling Win7. Riccardo did not reinstall, he is trying to find 
the root cause instead. That appears to be difficult to do. :(


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Re: Slow launch times on Windows 7

[zryip theSlug]

On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 11:27 PM, zryip theSlug  wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 10:33 PM, Giovanni Cannizzaro
>  wrote:
>>  Il 16/09/2010 20.42, zryip theSlug ha scritto:
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 7:56 PM, tekne  wrote:
>>>
>>> Riccardo,
>>>
 In my app I have about 130 substacks with an image substack and a lot of
 stack using datagrid. (rev file is about 45 MB)
 NO problem in the IDE and with the standalone in Mac, Linux and in WIN
 pre 7
 version (also with Vista)
>>>
>>> Try to expertise the alwaysBuffer property of each substacks of your
>>> project.
>>> For doing that, execute a script like this one in the main stack:
>>>
>>>    repeat for each line tSubstack in the substacks of this stack
>>>       put tSubstack&&  the alwaysbuffer of stack tSubstack of this
>>> stack&  cr after msg
>>>    end repeat
>>>
>>> If the alwaysBuffer property of several of the substacks is set to
>>> true, try to set them to false and launch again.
>>>
>>> Check also the alwaysBuffer property of your images
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>
>
> Giovanni,
>
> I'm not an italian speaker so I'm going to reply in english.
>
>> mmmhhh...
>> a parte il fatto che non ho capito bene esattamente a cosa serve questa
>> proprietà (la guida non è molto chiara al riguardo) ho fatto uno scriptino
>> per settarla a false su tutti gli stack e su tutte le immagini di tutte le
>> card di tutti gli stack.
>
> The alwaysbuffer property corresponds to the checkbox "Preload in
> memory". You have this checkbox for image and the property exists also
> for stacks. In my knowledge this property doesn't exists for card.
> To win performances in using stacks, images and probably objects,
> Runrev preload them in memory. I'm not a specialist of this, and you
> could have better and accurate explanation of this property by more
> experienced members of this list.
> By default the alwaysbuffer property of a new stack or a new image, is
> set to false
>
>> Il fatto è che non so bene interpretare gli effetti...
>> Mentre sotto Vista il tempo si caricamento è drasticamente sceso (in 3
>> tentativi di avvio) da 31 secondi a 16 (il 50%... mi sembra un ottimo
>> risultato) nella macchina virtuale con Seven ho ottenuto solo 30 secondi di
>> risparmio sui 4 minuti dell'avvio precedente. Solo un 12.5% di guadagno
>> temporale che però non so dire fino a che punto è reale data la "virtualità"
>> XD XD del mezzo di prova.
>
> If I understand well, by setting the alwaysbuffer to false :
> - in Vista you have reduced the start time by 50%
> - in Seven, 12,5%
>
> You run Seven on a virtual machine? VMWare, the Microsoft virtual
> machine or an other way?
> It seems to me that in a virtual machine, the memory allowed is
> managed differently.
> Have you tried in a native Seven?
>
>> Però potrebbe essere una base di partenza, volendo capire prima l'esatto
>> impatto di questa proprietà sul software.
>
> I'm not going to speculate. I will let the people who have more
> experience than me answer. I thought to the "preload in memory"
> property more by feeling than by experience.
> I hope that it will be a good start to solve your problem.


That seems not logical here if your problem could be solved by a new
installation of Seven and not by a code modification.

With the alwaysBuffer property we have a clue that the problem could
be linked to how the memory is managed by Seven, or/and by Rev in
Seven.

Is it a Seven 64bits or 32bits?

Have you checked the RAM of your PC?
In Seven (and Vista as well) you can check the RAM by executing the "MdSched"
command. This tool is also available in the admin tools of windows. Not sure
of the name of the application. I have no Seven at this moment


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Re: Getting started with databases

[Bob Sneidar]

Aye, but we were talking about CSV, Comma Separated Values I think is what it 
stands for. 

Bob


On Sep 16, 2010, at 1:36 PM, stephen barncard wrote:

> Filemaker tabbed delimited export converts returns to vertical tab
> characters. You can still retain your returns.

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Re: Slow launch times on Windows 7

[zryip theSlug]

On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 10:33 PM, Giovanni Cannizzaro
 wrote:
>  Il 16/09/2010 20.42, zryip theSlug ha scritto:
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 7:56 PM, tekne  wrote:
>>
>> Riccardo,
>>
>>> In my app I have about 130 substacks with an image substack and a lot of
>>> stack using datagrid. (rev file is about 45 MB)
>>> NO problem in the IDE and with the standalone in Mac, Linux and in WIN
>>> pre 7
>>> version (also with Vista)
>>
>> Try to expertise the alwaysBuffer property of each substacks of your
>> project.
>> For doing that, execute a script like this one in the main stack:
>>
>>    repeat for each line tSubstack in the substacks of this stack
>>       put tSubstack&&  the alwaysbuffer of stack tSubstack of this
>> stack&  cr after msg
>>    end repeat
>>
>> If the alwaysBuffer property of several of the substacks is set to
>> true, try to set them to false and launch again.
>>
>> Check also the alwaysBuffer property of your images
>>
>>
>> Regards,


Giovanni,

I'm not an italian speaker so I'm going to reply in english.

> mmmhhh...
> a parte il fatto che non ho capito bene esattamente a cosa serve questa
> proprietà (la guida non è molto chiara al riguardo) ho fatto uno scriptino
> per settarla a false su tutti gli stack e su tutte le immagini di tutte le
> card di tutti gli stack.

The alwaysbuffer property corresponds to the checkbox "Preload in
memory". You have this checkbox for image and the property exists also
for stacks. In my knowledge this property doesn't exists for card.
To win performances in using stacks, images and probably objects,
Runrev preload them in memory. I'm not a specialist of this, and you
could have better and accurate explanation of this property by more
experienced members of this list.
By default the alwaysbuffer property of a new stack or a new image, is
set to false

> Il fatto è che non so bene interpretare gli effetti...
> Mentre sotto Vista il tempo si caricamento è drasticamente sceso (in 3
> tentativi di avvio) da 31 secondi a 16 (il 50%... mi sembra un ottimo
> risultato) nella macchina virtuale con Seven ho ottenuto solo 30 secondi di
> risparmio sui 4 minuti dell'avvio precedente. Solo un 12.5% di guadagno
> temporale che però non so dire fino a che punto è reale data la "virtualità"
> XD XD del mezzo di prova.

If I understand well, by setting the alwaysbuffer to false :
- in Vista you have reduced the start time by 50%
- in Seven, 12,5%

You run Seven on a virtual machine? VMWare, the Microsoft virtual
machine or an other way?
It seems to me that in a virtual machine, the memory allowed is
managed differently.
Have you tried in a native Seven?

> Però potrebbe essere una base di partenza, volendo capire prima l'esatto
> impatto di questa proprietà sul software.

I'm not going to speculate. I will let the people who have more
experience than me answer. I thought to the "preload in memory"
property more by feeling than by experience.
I hope that it will be a good start to solve your problem.


Regards,
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Re: Server Side Database Advice

[stephen barncard]

Change hosts or use a cgi interface, not a direct connection.

On 16 September 2010 13:32, Warren Kuhl  wrote:

> I am developing software that needs to pass information to a centralized
> MySQL database.  My current host started blocking connections as they said
> the MySQL database was for web applications only and had an issue with
> updating it with an application.  Plus they only allowed a few concurrent
> connections.
>
> Anyone have any advice as to how I should handle this or experience with a
> host that didn't have any issues with this?
>
> Thanks!
> Warren
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Re: Getting started with databases

[stephen barncard]

Filemaker tabbed delimited export converts returns to vertical tab
characters. You can still retain your returns.

On 16 September 2010 13:25, Bob Sneidar  wrote:

> To my knowledge, it exports just the tables and indexes. It may also export
> relationships, I don't know. I just know that after I purchased it, I was a
> bit disappointed because I thought I could take a fully functional Filemaker
> Database, complete with forms and everything, and it would create a fully
> functional revolution stack for me. Perhaps my expectations were a bit hi.
>
> Things may have improved since then. At the time the developer told me that
> there was no easy way to get information about forms from Filemaker in any
> kind of meaningful way, but perhaps he has that figured out now.
>
> Also be aware, (and I don't want to sound too negative) but apparently
> there were some issues with my data, and I never even got the tables ported.
> I think it had something to do with blank data or carriage returns or
> something.
>
> As far as CSV, if there are any delimiters in your data in Filemaker, such
> as commas, quotes, tabs or returns, a CSV export will be very problematic.
> You should first try to convert anything that might be be construed as a
> delimiter in your filemaker data to some other character, or unlikely
> combination of characters, so that whatever you use to import with can
> convert them back before shipping them off to an SQL database. This is just
> the nature of export/import with dissimilar data structures.
>
> Bob
>
>
> On Sep 16, 2010, at 12:37 PM, Peter Alcibiades wrote:
>
> >
> > Bob, are you saying, just the tables...?   So why not export the tables
> as
> > csv?   Am I missing something to do with relations?
> >
> > Peter
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Re: Slow launch times on Windows 7

[Giovanni Cannizzaro]

 Il 16/09/2010 20.42, zryip theSlug ha scritto:

On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 7:56 PM, tekne  wrote:

Riccardo,


In my app I have about 130 substacks with an image substack and a lot of
stack using datagrid. (rev file is about 45 MB)
NO problem in the IDE and with the standalone in Mac, Linux and in WIN pre 7
version (also with Vista)

Try to expertise the alwaysBuffer property of each substacks of your project.
For doing that, execute a script like this one in the main stack:

repeat for each line tSubstack in the substacks of this stack
   put tSubstack&&  the alwaysbuffer of stack tSubstack of this
stack&  cr after msg
end repeat

If the alwaysBuffer property of several of the substacks is set to
true, try to set them to false and launch again.

Check also the alwaysBuffer property of your images


Regards,

mmmhhh...
a parte il fatto che non ho capito bene esattamente a cosa serve questa 
proprietà (la guida non è molto chiara al riguardo) ho fatto uno 
scriptino per settarla a false su tutti gli stack e su tutte le immagini 
di tutte le card di tutti gli stack.

Il fatto è che non so bene interpretare gli effetti...
Mentre sotto Vista il tempo si caricamento è drasticamente sceso (in 3 
tentativi di avvio) da 31 secondi a 16 (il 50%... mi sembra un ottimo 
risultato) nella macchina virtuale con Seven ho ottenuto solo 30 secondi 
di risparmio sui 4 minuti dell'avvio precedente. Solo un 12.5% di 
guadagno temporale che però non so dire fino a che punto è reale data la 
"virtualità" XD XD del mezzo di prova.


Però potrebbe essere una base di partenza, volendo capire prima l'esatto 
impatto di questa proprietà sul software.


Buona serata
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Server Side Database Advice

[Warren Kuhl]

I am developing software that needs to pass information to a centralized
MySQL database.  My current host started blocking connections as they said
the MySQL database was for web applications only and had an issue with
updating it with an application.  Plus they only allowed a few concurrent
connections.

Anyone have any advice as to how I should handle this or experience with a
host that didn't have any issues with this?

Thanks!
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Re: Getting started with databases

[Bob Sneidar]

To my knowledge, it exports just the tables and indexes. It may also export 
relationships, I don't know. I just know that after I purchased it, I was a bit 
disappointed because I thought I could take a fully functional Filemaker 
Database, complete with forms and everything, and it would create a fully 
functional revolution stack for me. Perhaps my expectations were a bit hi. 

Things may have improved since then. At the time the developer told me that 
there was no easy way to get information about forms from Filemaker in any kind 
of meaningful way, but perhaps he has that figured out now. 

Also be aware, (and I don't want to sound too negative) but apparently there 
were some issues with my data, and I never even got the tables ported. I think 
it had something to do with blank data or carriage returns or something. 

As far as CSV, if there are any delimiters in your data in Filemaker, such as 
commas, quotes, tabs or returns, a CSV export will be very problematic. You 
should first try to convert anything that might be be construed as a delimiter 
in your filemaker data to some other character, or unlikely combination of 
characters, so that whatever you use to import with can convert them back 
before shipping them off to an SQL database. This is just the nature of 
export/import with dissimilar data structures. 

Bob

 
On Sep 16, 2010, at 12:37 PM, Peter Alcibiades wrote:

> 
> Bob, are you saying, just the tables...?   So why not export the tables as
> csv?   Am I missing something to do with relations?
> 
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Re: Getting started with databases

[Peter Alcibiades]

Bob, are you saying, just the tables...?   So why not export the tables as
csv?   Am I missing something to do with relations?

Peter
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Re: [OT] O'Reilly eBook deal of the day (cookbooks for 9 USD)

[Peter Alcibiades]

Andre, thanks so much for this.  I picked up Bash, Python and Web.  Now it is
only a question of finding the energy to work through them.  As the poet
said (or rather the parody of him said):  As we get older, we do not get any
younger...

Peter
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Re: Slow launch times on Windows 7

[zryip theSlug]

On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 7:56 PM, tekne  wrote:

Riccardo,

> In my app I have about 130 substacks with an image substack and a lot of
> stack using datagrid. (rev file is about 45 MB)
> NO problem in the IDE and with the standalone in Mac, Linux and in WIN pre 7
> version (also with Vista)

Try to expertise the alwaysBuffer property of each substacks of your project.
For doing that, execute a script like this one in the main stack:

   repeat for each line tSubstack in the substacks of this stack
  put tSubstack && the alwaysbuffer of stack tSubstack of this
stack & cr after msg
   end repeat

If the alwaysBuffer property of several of the substacks is set to
true, try to set them to false and launch again.

Check also the alwaysBuffer property of your images


Regards,
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Re: Rev on two minimalist Linux distros

[Peter Alcibiades]

" It's a nice work, but I'm not sure it's the best choice for testing
"standards". "

No, agreed. Or rather, admitted!  But Rev should however work with tiling
window managers, as long as everything else does with them.  If it did, it
would probably do virtual desktops right as well.  No, this is not a big
deal, the surprising thing was how well it works with almost nothing
standard installed except Gtk2.  That is on tiny core.  So whatever is going
wrong, it cannot be missing dependencies, can it?
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Re: Slow launch times on Windows 7

[tekne]

Hi Malte, I follow this list and the improve-revolution list from many years
and I am an happy user of your chartsEngine.
Hi Jeff and everybody who posted too.

I think that Jeff is right!
But for me the problem is related to the rev engine and I have no tool to
solve it.
I removed every script from the startup process of the app and I see always
the splash screen after 60 seconds and more.
The connection to the DB was in the openstack (so after the stack is
showed), but now it's removed for testing purpose.

In my app I have about 130 substacks with an image substack and a lot of
stack using datagrid. (rev file is about 45 MB)
NO problem in the IDE and with the standalone in Mac, Linux and in WIN pre 7
version (also with Vista)

Only if I try to remove substack the launch time decreases and when I have
'only' 20-25 substacks is almost normal.
But this is not a solution.
I don't know if I have to use the QCC to submit a bug. But if it is a bug,
it is a serious bug that restrict the use of rev.

Thanks for your suggestion in advance
Riccardo

> Da: Malte Pfaff-Brill 
> Risposta: How to use Revolution 
> Data: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 19:12:13 +0200
> A: 
> Oggetto: Re: Slow launch times on Windows 7
> 
> Hi Riccardo, welcome to the lists.
> 
> A couple of things to try:
> 
> on openstack
>   lock messages
> end openStack
> 
> -- you will need to remove this later otherwise the app will not operate.
> 
> Do things speed up when you include this?
> 
> Do you have many controls on your card? Especially a couple of Datagrids?
> Do you connect to any Database?
> 
> Does it only happen in a standalone or in the IDE too?
> 
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Malte *inthemoodtohuntcritters*
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Re: Slow launch times on Windows 7

[Malte Pfaff-Brill]

Hi Riccardo, welcome to the lists.

A couple of things to try:

on openstack
  lock messages
end openStack

-- you will need to remove this later otherwise the app will not operate. 

Do things speed up when you include this?

Do you have many controls on your card? Especially a couple of Datagrids? 
Do you connect to any Database?

Does it only happen in a standalone or in the IDE too?


All the best,

Malte *inthemoodtohuntcritters*
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Re: Slow launch times on Windows 7

[J. Landman Gay]

> On 9/16/10 10:42 AM, Jeff Massung wrote: 

Jeff, thanks for your help, and thanks to everyone else who posted too. 
Now that Riccardo is on the list he can respond directly to questions, 
which is much better than me trying to serve as intermediary. I hope you 
smart people can help him figure out what the problem is. It doesn't 
seem to be universal, but I do agree it appears to be some kind of OS 
settings -- especially since the one and only other report we've had 
about it was solved by a reinstall of Win7.


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Re: Slow launch times on Windows 7

[Jeff Massung]

On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 5:03 AM, tekne  wrote:

>
> > * Is there network activity during launch?
> No. To test, I remove any script in the startup process. (I don't have any
> handler in the main stack and in the only cd (splashscreen) of the main
> stack.)
>


Sorry, I wasn't clear enough. I'm not really talking about network activity
directed by the application, as opposed to network activity that is
happening as a consequence of launching the application at all. Try a
networking monitoring program. I'm sure there are free/shareware versions
out there, but something like Solar Winds' Orion Network Performance
Monitor. The concern is that it is a setting in the OS. For example, launch
an application, and it sends off a request to Microsoft to check a database
for whether or not the application is "okay" or not (again, that's just a
crazy example). If there is activity, a network monitor/packet sniffer will
let you know what application is doing it, what site it's hitting, and what
data is being sent.



> > * Are there are lot of files being accessed at application startup?
> No file accessed
>

This is the same as the network monitoring. Something like FileMon. Rev
loads DLLs on startup, and it's possible that opening those is causing a
problem, or the act of opening them is causing network activity or they are
doing something else when being loaded. Probably not, but it's an easy test
to confirm.

There are also process monitoring tools out there that you can use to test
the same things. Just launch your app and watch the process monitor. Are 20
new processes launched all doing something very suspicious under the hood
that you just can't see?

Sorry none of the other suggestions panned out for you, though. :-(

Jeff M.

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Re: Rev on two minimalist Linux distros

[Richard Gaskin]

Peter Alcibiades wrote:


As for Ion, I do not think Rev should be made to work with all WMs.  I think
it should be standards compliant, and if it is, it will work on all.


Sounds good in principle, but in practice have you ever try to run 
Google Earth with Compiz?


Sometimes "standards" take a while get standardized.

I like many things about Ion that are very interesting (inspiring for 
some Rev script editor/object browser ideas), but givens its, shall we 
say, "mixed" development history I can't help but wonder if it's really 
the best test case to use here: the author has since abandoned open 
source and Linux altogether, and no distro ships with it as its default 
choice (I don't think any even include it).  It's a nice work, but I'm 
not sure it's the best choice for testing "standards".


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Pass that bottle to me!

[Richmond]

 Drinkin' Wine Spo-De-O-De Drinkin' Wine
Drinkin' Wine Spo-De-O-De Drinkin' Wine
Drinkin' Wine Spo-De-O-De
Pass that bottle to me!

I would be grateful for as much support as possible to get PNG rendering 
sorted out in WINE

so that RunRev for Windows runs 100% under it:

http://forum.winehq.org/viewtopic.php?t=9642

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson.
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Re: [FOSS] On the creation of Rev to Web tools

[Rolf Kocherhans]

Andre,

This all sounds phantastic !
Great idea !

I don't know if I can help, but I will if I can !

Please keep us up to date on this !

Cheers
Rolf


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Re: iphoneRotateInterface command in mobile apps

[Kevin Miller]

On 16/09/2010 14:24, "paolo mazza"  wrote:

> Building a mobile applicantion,  I place in the openStack handler the
> command " iphoneRotateInterface "landscape left"  " in order to rotate the
> application accordingly.
> 
> Any time I open the stack from the Revolution IDE, i get an error message
> because Rev does not accept this command.
> 
> How can I avoid this?
> 
> Still, once the application is compiled, it works fine.

We'll be performing an update to fix this before the shipping version. But
in the mean time you can do this:

if the environment is "mobile" then
  iphoneRotateInterface "landscape left"
end if

Kind regards,

Kevin

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iphoneRotateInterface command in mobile apps

[paolo mazza]

Building a mobile applicantion,  I place in the openStack handler the
command " iphoneRotateInterface "landscape left"  " in order to rotate the
application accordingly.

Any time I open the stack from the Revolution IDE, i get an error message
because Rev does not accept this command.

How can I avoid this?

Still, once the application is compiled, it works fine.

All the best

Paolo Mazza
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Re: using datagrid with revmobile

[paolo mazza]

Terry,
 exept the scrolling, all the other feautures of the datagrid library work
in the mobile applications?
I tryed and seems to work.
Thanks a lot,
Paolo
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Re: Rev on two minimalist Linux distros

[Richmond]

 On 09/16/2010 01:21 PM, Peter Alcibiades wrote:

Richmond, I am just trying to find out if there ARE any dependencies of note
that will not be included in most any distro.  I think the answer is
probably no based on this.  I do not expect anyone to use these distros in
anger, except for embedded systems.

I also wanted to  know, were any of the problems extinguished by lack of
apps and libraries.  The answer to that one seems to be no.

I think the answer is, the problems are intrinsic to the basic way Rev on
Linux has been implemented.


Quite; see obs. sub.


As for Ion, I do not think Rev should be made to work with all WMs.  I think
it should be standards compliant, and if it is, it will work on all.  I
think Ion is a fair test of this.  Make it work on Ion, and it will be
standards compliant and will work on all.  If its not standard compliant,
then, as now, it will work partly, and on some.  What we want is standards
compliance.


I suspect that, to get RunRev on Linux standards compliant 'someone'
will have to go back to square one and build the whole thing all over again.

Just possibly RunRev for Linux is a bit like Windows Millennium ( !! );
insofar as Windows Millennium was built on top of 98, on top of 95, on top
of 3.1 and so on; and RunRev 4+ for Linux is built on a series of things 
going

all the way back to the Linux Metacard engine when things in the Linux
world were very different.

Now, I cannot see the folk in Edinburgh feeling that is really worth all 
that

effort, especially considering the share RunRev on Linux must have of their
overall sales (well? 1 copy to you, and one to me at the RunRev 2009 
conference ???).


Therefore we might be more sensible to live with what we have (which, 
after all, is far from bad)

and work to improve it.
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Re: Rev on two minimalist Linux distros

[Peter Alcibiades]

Richmond, I am just trying to find out if there ARE any dependencies of note
that will not be included in most any distro.  I think the answer is
probably no based on this.  I do not expect anyone to use these distros in
anger, except for embedded systems.

I also wanted to  know, were any of the problems extinguished by lack of
apps and libraries.  The answer to that one seems to be no.

I think the answer is, the problems are intrinsic to the basic way Rev on
Linux has been implemented.

As for Ion, I do not think Rev should be made to work with all WMs.  I think
it should be standards compliant, and if it is, it will work on all.  I
think Ion is a fair test of this.  Make it work on Ion, and it will be
standards compliant and will work on all.  If its not standard compliant,
then, as now, it will work partly, and on some.  What we want is standards
compliance.
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Re: Slow launch times on Windows 7

[tekne]

> * Permissions launching the file causing a problem?
No
> * Is there network activity during launch?
No. To test, I remove any script in the startup process. (I don't have any
handler in the main stack and in the only cd (splashscreen) of the main
stack.)
The task manager gives 25% CPU activity during startup assigned to my
standalone. When the splash screen appears (the only cd of the main stack)
the CPU activity goes to 0%.
The same behaviour on different PCs with win 7.
> 
> * Are there are lot of files being accessed at application startup?
No file accessed
> 
> * Anti-Virus settings set way too high?
No antivirus is on

I tried the execution in safe mode too. Nothing changes.
I think that the problem is related to the number of substacks but I don't
know what the engine makes at startup.

Do you have any other suggestions?

Thanks in advance  
Riccardo


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Re: Rev on two minimalist Linux distros

[Thierry]

Le 16 sept. 2010 à 09:22, Peter Alcibiades a écrit :

> I have finally fired up Rev Media 4.0 on two minimalist Linux distributions 
> as a start on the effort to discover whether the problems are really due to 
> not having all the necessary files installed, and whether they are due to 
> the mulifarious nature of Linux.
> 

Hi Peter,

Interesting post.

I've been  working with mini-linux too since a while.

I've stopped working with Ubuntu for different reasons,
but let's put that way :

Few of my customers were not happy and after the first "Wouah", they
started complaining on differents things

Otherwise, there is often a lot of misunderstanding on Linux around.

First, they all share the core linux, which is more or less the same on every 
distro.
Then we have these collection of distrib which can be seen as supermarkets 
where you can ship
a whole bunch of products in one go, but it's only tools/apps put on the top of 
the core linux.
This can be done with packages tools available on every distro,
and if they have different names, they all do the same jobs. And if you don't 
find a specific app
on your distro , then search it from another distro, convert the package , and 
install it


> tinycore_3.1.iso

I've worked with it, but I wouldn't recommend it as a first choice,
because the main goal of this distro is to run it on RAM with no installation.
Sure you can install it on a hard disk but then you won't find so much support
or help on this topic By the way, the tc forum is a very friendly one.



> slitaz-3.0.iso 

This is my choice since a while.

I've been able to do fast installations, easily packaged for every customer.
And each time I'm doing a new job, I'm building my own tools to run installs
faster and with good qualities ( one is to not miss any specific parameters in
one of those dozens of config files ). I use Rev as a front-end for my install,
and for instance, on my Mac, I have a stack where I can design the whole 
desktop,
I mean a desktop background image, properties of windows, appareance of the 
menus,the panel, populating
menus,... and doing this too with the Login window ( slim ), and have French 
text everywhere
( well, true a 95% ) then via a ssh connection,
in one click do the  instal or update of a user with a specific environment,
and this takes less than a second, and more, even with old PCs with 128/256 Kb 
of RAM,
old disks, etc

Until now, I've blocked my customers with only one desktop, then Rev runs 
almost allright.
( and nobody complains as they all were microsoft's users. )
Some glitch still, but I'm a RevStudio 4.0 user... waiting for the next 
release So far,
I'm not proposing apps made by Rev to my customers ( except few games for 
children as gifts ),
just use it as an administration tool, but that's already a good deal for me.

In my office, I'm running a PIV box with Slitaz and all the development tools I 
need.
And I use it as a backup server, a svn server and building rev externals with 
it, and
all this with 256 Mb of RAM.


And last, few weeks ago, I was buiding a Rev stack using one my external. All 
this in Slitaz.
Then I make a tar file, send it to a friend ( not a computer geek ) and he 
could play
with the stack and the external instantly on Ubuntu !


Well, another little story :)

Regards,
Thierry





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Re: Rev on two minimalist Linux distros

[Richmond]

 On 09/16/2010 10:22 AM, Peter Alcibiades wrote:

I have finally fired up Rev Media 4.0 on two minimalist Linux distributions
as a start on the effort to discover whether the problems are really due to
not having all the necessary files installed, and whether they are due to
the mulifarious nature of Linux.

I began with Slitaz and Tiny Core, the latter of which gives new meaning to
the expression 'minimalist'.  It is gui userland Linux system in 11 Mb.  If
we still had floppies, it would just about be deliverable on a handful.  It
uses almost none of the standard components.  All applications have to be
installed from repository.  Both of these distros run in memory, so they
are super fast.

If you do this at home with Tiny Core, you should probably go with 3.1,
just out.  I used 3.0.  It has 2.6 kernel, BusyBox, Tiny X, FLTK graphical
user interface and flwm window manager.  Without getting too far into the
recherche details, this is not your standard distro.  This is as minimalist
as X windows can get.  Get it here:

tinycore_3.1.iso

The other distribution is Slitaz, less minimalist, this has a whole 30 Mb
and runs OpenBox, so a standard GUI, though not one most folks here may be
familiar with.  It comes with XOrg and LXDE bits and pieces.  Midori as web
browser, leafpad editor.  It is a usable desktop out of the box, unlike
Tiny Core.  Get it here:

slitaz-3.0.iso

I did not use these in VMs, but on a spare bare metal machine we now have
available.  There is not going to be any difference if you run from CD in
live mode, or if you install on hard drive, since in either case they both
load directly to memory.  I don't use VMs for this stuff in the interests
of eliminating as many variables as possible.

I made no modification whatever to Slitaz, but on Tiny Core, using the
terminal, was unable to cd to the USB drive on which I had placed Media.  I
therefore installed PCManFM from the repository, which brought down a
modest bunch of dependencies, including Gtk2, all of which went by in a
flash.  I didn't make a note of the others but can find out what they were
if anyone is interested.

It would be nice to know what people think should be tested for to make
this rigorous.  What I did was two things.  First, some minimal exercise of
the IDE.  Created a new mainstack, dragged objects onto it, resized them.
This worked fine.  The font (yes, singular is intended) could be resized
fine.  The dictionary displayed and worked fine.  You can alternate between
IDE and browse mode.  Buttons work.  Second thing was, when I had a stack,
I then moved it to another virtual desktop, popped over to the virtual
desktop and clicked it.  It instantly went back to the first one, where
Media was open.  So virtual desktops do not work here.


I was unable to reproduce that; started RunRev Enterprise 4.5 on Desktop 1;
opened a new Mainstack and moved it to Desktop 2 (have 4 Virtual 
Desktops here);

clicked on the stack, and it stayed put on Desktop 2.

Ubuntu 10.10 Beta.


It does not look like the problems could be missing dependencies.


In an ideal world ( Ha, ha! ) RunRev for Linux would come, from RunRev, 
bundled with
the necessary dependencies; or from a RunRev repository via aptitude or 
somesuch
with its dependencies so all the "cooking" would be done with a minimum 
of fuss and

user-intervention.


Rev
seems to work exactly the same if its in one of these totally minimalist
environments, including with Tiny Core which has out of the box almost
nothing the big ones have except what you absolutely have to have to run
the kernel and a command line, or if it is full fledged and bloated like
Gnome or KDE.

The environment I have found where Rev doesn't work at all is Ion2 window
manager.  This is actually a very nice working environment, its becoming my
favorite.


I really wonder if it is reasonable to expect RunRev to ensure their 
product can function

on every single Window manager out there?


  Its a tiling and tabbing WM.  You have tiles open, and your apps
take up the entire tile, in a tab.  The tiles sit side by side on the
desktop.  It handles pop-up windows in an unusual way, they all appear at
the bottom of the tile you are in.  Rev does not like this, and it crashes.
When you get used to Ion and know the keyboard shortcuts, its simply
superb, fast, intuitive and very easy.  You start apps from the keyboard
with auto fill to help.  Everything else seems to work with Ion, so this
may be an indication that Rev is not standards compliant on the desktop
issue.

So, tell me what else people want to see exercised, and I will do it, this
is just a start.  And next week I will hopefully have time to do a full
scale slackware install and bash around with that.  I am not all that
lively lately, and the latest is, have a proper phone system to install
in addition to a server.  But we will get to it, we really will.

Peter
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Re: Rev on two minimalist Linux distros

[David Bovill]

Thanks for the report Peter. It's really useful to get a feel of what is and
is not working on these minimalistic Linux distros.

On 16 September 2010 08:22, Peter Alcibiades
wrote:

> I have finally fired up Rev Media 4.0 on two minimalist Linux distributions
> as a start on the effort to discover whether the problems are really due to
> not having all the necessary files installed, and whether they are due to
> the mulifarious nature of Linux.
>
> I began with Slitaz and Tiny Core, the latter of which gives new meaning to
> the expression 'minimalist'.  It is gui userland Linux system in 11 Mb.  If
> we still had floppies, it would just about be deliverable on a handful.  It
> uses almost none of the standard components.  All applications have to be
> installed from repository.  Both of these distros run in memory, so they
> are super fast.
>
> If you do this at home with Tiny Core, you should probably go with 3.1,
> just out.  I used 3.0.  It has 2.6 kernel, BusyBox, Tiny X, FLTK graphical
> user interface and flwm window manager.  Without getting too far into the
> recherche details, this is not your standard distro.  This is as minimalist
> as X windows can get.  Get it here:
>
> tinycore_3.1.iso
>
> The other distribution is Slitaz, less minimalist, this has a whole 30 Mb
> and runs OpenBox, so a standard GUI, though not one most folks here may be
> familiar with.  It comes with XOrg and LXDE bits and pieces.  Midori as web
> browser, leafpad editor.  It is a usable desktop out of the box, unlike
> Tiny Core.  Get it here:
>
> slitaz-3.0.iso
>
> I did not use these in VMs, but on a spare bare metal machine we now have
> available.  There is not going to be any difference if you run from CD in
> live mode, or if you install on hard drive, since in either case they both
> load directly to memory.  I don't use VMs for this stuff in the interests
> of eliminating as many variables as possible.
>
> I made no modification whatever to Slitaz, but on Tiny Core, using the
> terminal, was unable to cd to the USB drive on which I had placed Media.  I
> therefore installed PCManFM from the repository, which brought down a
> modest bunch of dependencies, including Gtk2, all of which went by in a
> flash.  I didn't make a note of the others but can find out what they were
> if anyone is interested.
>
> It would be nice to know what people think should be tested for to make
> this rigorous.  What I did was two things.  First, some minimal exercise of
> the IDE.  Created a new mainstack, dragged objects onto it, resized them.
> This worked fine.  The font (yes, singular is intended) could be resized
> fine.  The dictionary displayed and worked fine.  You can alternate between
> IDE and browse mode.  Buttons work.  Second thing was, when I had a stack,
> I then moved it to another virtual desktop, popped over to the virtual
> desktop and clicked it.  It instantly went back to the first one, where
> Media was open.  So virtual desktops do not work here.
>
> It does not look like the problems could be missing dependencies.  Rev
> seems to work exactly the same if its in one of these totally minimalist
> environments, including with Tiny Core which has out of the box almost
> nothing the big ones have except what you absolutely have to have to run
> the kernel and a command line, or if it is full fledged and bloated like
> Gnome or KDE.
>
> The environment I have found where Rev doesn't work at all is Ion2 window
> manager.  This is actually a very nice working environment, its becoming my
> favorite.  Its a tiling and tabbing WM.  You have tiles open, and your apps
> take up the entire tile, in a tab.  The tiles sit side by side on the
> desktop.  It handles pop-up windows in an unusual way, they all appear at
> the bottom of the tile you are in.  Rev does not like this, and it crashes.
> When you get used to Ion and know the keyboard shortcuts, its simply
> superb, fast, intuitive and very easy.  You start apps from the keyboard
> with auto fill to help.  Everything else seems to work with Ion, so this
> may be an indication that Rev is not standards compliant on the desktop
> issue.
>
> So, tell me what else people want to see exercised, and I will do it, this
> is just a start.  And next week I will hopefully have time to do a full
> scale slackware install and bash around with that.  I am not all that
> lively lately, and the latest is, have a proper phone system to install
> in addition to a server.  But we will get to it, we really will.
>
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Re: systemVersion, RunRev with WINE, burblings.

[Mark Schonewille]

Hi Richmon,

I'm glad that it works for you. As for me, I don't see how I could comfortably 
work with RunRev in WINE, since the toolbar and tools palette are made of PNG 
images. Most of my projects contain PNG's too. It would be really cool if the 
WINE developers fixed this. Forums... fora... hmm... discussion groups ;-)

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Create installers for Mac and Windows on *every* Rev-compatible platform. No 
additional software needed.

On 16 sep 2010, at 07:41, Richmond wrote:
> 
> Nonsense! RunRev 4.0 runs superbly under WINE 1.3.2 except for the PNG 
> rendering; which basically means it mucks
> any images with transparent sections and renders PNGs as black artifacts. As 
> such this is not fatal unless you are
> badly hung up on PNG images (which I am).
> 
> I have just submitted a note about just this in the WINE forums (err . . . 
> 'fora' . . . ???).

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Rev on two minimalist Linux distros

[Peter Alcibiades]

I have finally fired up Rev Media 4.0 on two minimalist Linux distributions 
as a start on the effort to discover whether the problems are really due to 
not having all the necessary files installed, and whether they are due to 
the mulifarious nature of Linux.

I began with Slitaz and Tiny Core, the latter of which gives new meaning to 
the expression 'minimalist'.  It is gui userland Linux system in 11 Mb.  If 
we still had floppies, it would just about be deliverable on a handful.  It 
uses almost none of the standard components.  All applications have to be 
installed from repository.  Both of these distros run in memory, so they 
are super fast.  

If you do this at home with Tiny Core, you should probably go with 3.1, 
just out.  I used 3.0.  It has 2.6 kernel, BusyBox, Tiny X, FLTK graphical 
user interface and flwm window manager.  Without getting too far into the 
recherche details, this is not your standard distro.  This is as minimalist 
as X windows can get.  Get it here:

tinycore_3.1.iso 

The other distribution is Slitaz, less minimalist, this has a whole 30 Mb 
and runs OpenBox, so a standard GUI, though not one most folks here may be 
familiar with.  It comes with XOrg and LXDE bits and pieces.  Midori as web  
browser, leafpad editor.  It is a usable desktop out of the box, unlike 
Tiny Core.  Get it here:

slitaz-3.0.iso 

I did not use these in VMs, but on a spare bare metal machine we now have 
available.  There is not going to be any difference if you run from CD in 
live mode, or if you install on hard drive, since in either case they both 
load directly to memory.  I don't use VMs for this stuff in the interests 
of eliminating as many variables as possible.

I made no modification whatever to Slitaz, but on Tiny Core, using the 
terminal, was unable to cd to the USB drive on which I had placed Media.  I 
therefore installed PCManFM from the repository, which brought down a 
modest bunch of dependencies, including Gtk2, all of which went by in a 
flash.  I didn't make a note of the others but can find out what they were 
if anyone is interested.

It would be nice to know what people think should be tested for to make 
this rigorous.  What I did was two things.  First, some minimal exercise of 
the IDE.  Created a new mainstack, dragged objects onto it, resized them.  
This worked fine.  The font (yes, singular is intended) could be resized 
fine.  The dictionary displayed and worked fine.  You can alternate between 
IDE and browse mode.  Buttons work.  Second thing was, when I had a stack, 
I then moved it to another virtual desktop, popped over to the virtual 
desktop and clicked it.  It instantly went back to the first one, where 
Media was open.  So virtual desktops do not work here.

It does not look like the problems could be missing dependencies.  Rev 
seems to work exactly the same if its in one of these totally minimalist 
environments, including with Tiny Core which has out of the box almost 
nothing the big ones have except what you absolutely have to have to run 
the kernel and a command line, or if it is full fledged and bloated like 
Gnome or KDE.

The environment I have found where Rev doesn't work at all is Ion2 window 
manager.  This is actually a very nice working environment, its becoming my 
favorite.  Its a tiling and tabbing WM.  You have tiles open, and your apps 
take up the entire tile, in a tab.  The tiles sit side by side on the 
desktop.  It handles pop-up windows in an unusual way, they all appear at 
the bottom of the tile you are in.  Rev does not like this, and it crashes.  
When you get used to Ion and know the keyboard shortcuts, its simply 
superb, fast, intuitive and very easy.  You start apps from the keyboard 
with auto fill to help.  Everything else seems to work with Ion, so this 
may be an indication that Rev is not standards compliant on the desktop 
issue.

So, tell me what else people want to see exercised, and I will do it, this 
is just a start.  And next week I will hopefully have time to do a full 
scale slackware install and bash around with that.  I am not all that 
lively lately, and the latest is, have a proper phone system to install  
in addition to a server.  But we will get to it, we really will.

Peter
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