Re: iPadding around?

2010-01-28 Thread Bruce Robertson

On Jan 28, 2010, at 4:17 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:

 Bob,
 
 Linux has something very big to offer, freedom and source code. Never
 underestimate the power of that combination. 

Why not? Hasn't gone anywhere yet.
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Re: BSD and HP9K700 standalones . . . ?

2010-01-17 Thread Bruce Robertson

On Jan 17, 2010, at 11:06 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

 I myself, have a large number of computers rotting in my attic in Scotland 
 (about 5 Performa 52xx
 Macs) which are perfectly serviceable, except for the fact that it would be 
 JOLLY NICE to leverage
 features implemented in RunRevs 3.5 and 4 on Mac OS 8.1 . . .  I am seriously 
 tempted to cart them
 to Bulgaria this coming summer (when I will be driving to Scotland and back) 
 as I may be moving into
 bigger school premises where I could easily accommodate 5 or 6 machines. I 
 also have been offered
 the opportunity to get my hands on a half-dozen G3 slot-loading iMacs that 
 are being 'deprecated' at
 an educational institution in Scotland - they will cope with Mac OS X 10.4.9 
 but will run far more
 efficiently on 9.1.
 
 And I am quite sure that I am not the only retro nutter out there.

And the incentive here for RunRev is 
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Re: Deriving an angle from three points

2009-12-16 Thread Bruce Robertson
No it didn't.

On Dec 16, 2009, at 10:44 AM, Colin Holgate wrote:

 Well, of course it's a triangle, but describing it as a V helped explain
 which angle was wanted.

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Re: Code Samples/Comparisons

2009-12-05 Thread Bruce Robertson

On Dec 5, 2009, at 10:12 AM, Colin Holgate wrote:

 
 On Dec 5, 2009, at 12:30 PM, Dave Cragg wrote:
 
 How would you do the following in Java/C/etc?
 
 get last item of line 2 of url 
 http://ichart.finance.yahoo.com/table.csv?s=RBS.L;
 
 but rather, 
 
 How would you get and display the latest stock price for RBS.L from the 
 internet in Rev/ Java/C/etc?
 

Applescript:

set AppleScript's text item delimiters to ,
item -1 of text items of paragraph 2 of (do shell script curl 
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Re: Ethics... and the lack of it.

2009-11-30 Thread Bruce Robertson
This is nowhere near as clearcut as you claim.

If you hire somebody as a direct employee, your answer is correct.

If you pay an outside developer to develop the software, even though it may be 
to your design spec,  the software IP is the property of the developer unless 
explicitly declared otherwise in the written contract.

IANAL and further explanation is required but this is the general concept, as 
repeated in many many such discussions.
 

On Nov 30, 2009, at 8:07 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:

 My opinion (and the opinion of most courts) is that software you produce for 
 someone while in their employ is their property. However, if you produce 
 software and then market it openly, it is your property, and subject to all 
 copyright laws that apply. 
 
 I suppose the question comes down to that. Did you write the software under 
 contract? If so, then I think it is their property and they can do whatever 
 they want with it. But if you wrote it independently, and then marketed it to 
 them then it is yours and any company that tried to replicate your work could 
 be in danger of copyright infringement. 
 
 Bob

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Re: Interesting blog post - comments anyone?

2009-11-29 Thread Bruce Robertson

On Nov 29, 2009, at 9:29 AM, Marty Knapp wrote:

 Personally, I felt no compulsion to defend Rev because they let us know there 
 was a debate going on at slash dot. Neither was I offended by that. When I'm 
 getting ready to make a purchase (software or otherwise) I very much want to 
 read what real world users are saying about it (as opposed to paid PR) - 
 what's so bad about that? And I will also say that there is much more of a 
 community here than I've experienced in connection with any other software 
 product. In this light, I did not find RunRev's enlistment out of line in 
 the least.

For community, try FileMaker.

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Re: OT -- AppleScript Help

2009-10-29 Thread Bruce Robertson

Applescript list signup:

http://lists.apple.com/mailman/listinfo/applescript-users

On Oct 28, 2009, at 10:39 PM, Sivakatirswami wrote:

I better move this over to the Applescript list (can you send me the  
URL?) because it's turning into a bigger issue: some network  
protocols changed or something and Applescript 2.0.1 running on  
10.5.8 is no longer a happy camper with I/O over the LAN... or the  
way mount points are now configured on the client machine running  
the scripts.. for reasons that are still mysterious. .dunno, I'm no  
expert I'll check with our net/server admin here if any changes/ 
upgrades were made in the last 3 days since these all worked fine on  
Saturday, last...if they upgraded OSX Server to Snow Leopard that  
could be the problem...


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Re: OT -- AppleScript Help

2009-10-28 Thread Bruce Robertson
It is best practice to eliminate tell statements where they are not  
required.


Finder is not necessary for this command.

choose folder
set f to result

On Oct 28, 2009, at 2:45 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:


assume: AFP mount volume Varuna  (server across the LAN)
on desktop...

this used to work fine as of 3 days ago

(I builT the script dynamically in runRev)

tell application Finder
  open alias Varuna:Ekadanta Kulam:Database:EMBs:78585 Chris  
Brooking:

end tell

but today AppleScript returns
missing value

If I test in the ScriptEditor.app... I get the same error.


In the Script Editor, run this script:

tell application Finder
choose folder
end tell

and select the folder you want. Then check exactly what it gives you
as the result.
I just did that and then opening it worked fine, so the most likely
thing is a tiny error in your file path.

Cheers,
Sarah
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Re: OT -- AppleScript Help

2009-10-28 Thread Bruce Robertson

Not relevant.

You're talking specifics of an extremely simple script.

I'm talking about generalities of applescript programming.

This was the subject of a hundred+ message multi week thread on the  
applescript list.


You can get into performance and conflict and confusion issues when  
tell statements are used where they are not necessary.


In this very case, you're issuing a command to Finder that is not a  
Finder command.


Finder doesn't understand choose folder; so it passes the command up  
the object hierarchy. Your use of the command in this way reveals that  
you don't know what it belongs to. By itself, a marginal error.


But it is like trying to tell some property of a stack to do something  
that it doesn't do.



Bruce Robertson wrote:
It is best practice to eliminate tell statements where they are not  
required.


Finder is not necessary for this command.

choose folder
set f to result


It does not affect anything: result is the same with or without  
tell on a folder selection


alias Varuna:Ekadanta Kulam:Database:EMBs:733:

then an attempt

tell application Finder
open alias Varuna:Ekadanta Kulam:Database:EMBs:733:
end tell

fails: result: missing value

Oddly though, reveal works

tell application Finder
  reveal alias Varuna:Ekadanta Kulam:Database:EMBs:733:
end tell

why not open  ??


Well; why not close?
Or delete, or rename?

Open and reveal are completely different commands.

Maybe it would be clearer if you consider the same command sent to a  
Word document.


Having Finder reveal the document and having Finder open the document  
get very different results.


Having Finder open a folder shows you the contents of the folder.

Having Finder reveal the folder shows you the folder.

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Re: Helper Application?

2009-10-03 Thread Bruce Robertson
 J. Landman Gay wrote:
 
 Richard Gaskin wrote:
 The RevTalk Dictionary entry for the environment function lists
 helper application as one of the possible values the function can return:
 
If the environment function returns helper application,
Revolution is running as a helper application, configured
by a web browser to display web-based content.
 
 That's not the same as the plugin, is it?  That entry is from the v3.0
 dictionary, long before the plugin was even in development.
 
 What does it mean for a Rev standalone to be configured by a web
 browser to display web-based content?
 
 Browsers let you specify what apps to open if they can't display web
 content themselves. So if you click a .rev link on a web page, and you
 have assigned the browser to use Rev to open .rev files, then the
 browser will pass the link off to Revolution and launch it. It's the
 same as assigning .doc files to Word. I didn't know the environment
 would change when that happens though.
 
 Me neither.
 
 I've used Rev standalones as helper apps before, but IIRC the app just
 gets an odoc event when the browser hands it a stack, and the engine
 doesm't bother to notice whether it was handed the stack from a browser
 or the Finder.
 
 I suspect this may be a holdover from the olden MC days when it was
 Unix-only.  Would be nice if there was a way a standalone could
 distinguish how it was launched, though.  There's a world of
 opportunities still unexploited with helper apps

Yup. Take this technique, and point the custom URL to your Rev app. I'm
doing it with FileMaker.

http://www.macosxautomation.com/applescript/linktrigger/index.html



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Re: 4.0 Webinar Invite - Its Today!

2009-06-23 Thread Bruce Robertson
 That's a pity, works fine for me.
 
 They say it will be available shortly for download.

Any news on this?


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Re: Looking for ugly code comparisons WAS: Slashdotter looking for kids' programming language

2008-12-12 Thread Bruce Robertson
 Oh, yes indeed ! old people of any age ! from 7 to 77, like Tintin...
 (if you're old enough to remember Tintin and Snowy)

Wasn't that Rin's last name?

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Re: [OT] Free Images for your GUI

2008-09-24 Thread Bruce Robertson
 More, more, excavated from the depths of my Hard disks:
 
 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RMimages/?yguid=254544547
 
 sincerely, Richmond Mathewson.

I see MESSAGES about images.

I see no actual images or links to download.

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Re: Runrev at dBug Seattle?

2008-04-09 Thread Bruce Robertson
I'm in the Seattle area, and I'm very involved with dBug.

I have a Rev license but I have never done anything with it; so I don't
think I'd give a good demo.

I can see that Runrev is a great product but I spend all my time with
FileMaker.

 Hi Bruce,
 
 Are you in the Seattle area? Maybe you could do it!
 
 I'm in the Portland area. I keep thinking about offering to talk with
 the Portland Mac User Group (http://www.pmug.org/) but haven't done
 anything about it yet. Maybe I should start attending their meetings first!
 
 My brain power is devoted to other things right now. Has anyone on the
 list put together a Rev spiel (or at least a bullet point list of
 things to cover) suitable for MUGs anywhere? Maybe Bruce and I could use it.
 
 Thanks -
 Phil Davis
 
 
 Bruce Robertson wrote:
 Anybody in the northwest care to try to set up a Revolution demo for dBug,
 Seattle's Mac user group?
 
 http://www.dbug.org
 
 Main meetings are the second Wednesday of the month and I'd like to see
 Runrev at one of these meetings.
 
 Bruce Robertson
   
 
 -- 
 Phil Davis
 
 PDS Labs
 Professional Software Development
 http://pdslabs.net
 
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Re: Runrev at dBug Seattle?

2008-04-09 Thread Bruce Robertson
Depends on what is needed to run a successful demo. I'm wiling to try, and I
have used Runrev some, and I've been a dBug speaker before. Given good
supporting material and examples I might be able to do OK but certainly a
more experienced user would be better.


 On Apr 9, 2008, at 7:36 AM, Bruce Robertson wrote:
 
 I'm in the Seattle area, and I'm very involved with dBug.
 
 I have a Rev license but I have never done anything with it; so I
 don't think I'd give a good demo.
 
 I can see that Runrev is a great product but I spend all my
 time with 
 FileMaker.
 
 If we can get someone local to do the demo itself, Id be happy to come up to
 Seattle (just like backing Phil locally here for PMUG) for this and put some
 business support behind it.
 
 Best regards,
 
 Lynn Fredricks
 Mirye Software Publishing
 http://www.mirye.com
 
 Mirye Community NING
 http://miryesoftware.ning.com
 
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Runrev at dBug Seattle?

2008-04-08 Thread Bruce Robertson
Anybody in the northwest care to try to set up a Revolution demo for dBug,
Seattle's Mac user group?

http://www.dbug.org

Main meetings are the second Wednesday of the month and I'd like to see
Runrev at one of these meetings.

Bruce Robertson 

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Re: Filemaker through ODBC

2007-10-07 Thread Bruce Robertson
 Bruce-
 
 Wednesday, October 3, 2007, 8:57:43 PM, you wrote:
 
 Variables were introduced in several different ways beginning with FileMaker
 7 over 2 years ago.
 
 Can you display a variable on a layout? I seem to remember trying this
 and not being able to do it without creating a new calculated field...

You cannot directly display a variable on a layout.

Howver, you can use set field to set for example a global field to hold what
you want.

Also - layouts are dead. The web viewer is where it's at now and a web
viewer can display anything including variables. You can have very dynamic
layouts now.

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Re: OpenBase - WAS: Re: Filemaker through ODBC

2007-10-03 Thread Bruce Robertson
 Hiya,
 
 Anyone tried OpenBase (http://www.openbase.com/) as an alternative?
 I'll admit I haven't used it much, but found performance much better
 that FMP.
 
 I have seen a very impressive POS made with it, can't recall the name.
 
 Nice thing I noticed was that some functions are available as standard,
 whereas they're plugins in FMP (like integrated email for instance,
 although basic).
 
 Cheers,
 
 Luis.

Not quite true.

FileMaker has built in scriptable email generation that sends message
through your mail client application.

For a broader range of features such as multiple attachments you do need a
plugin.

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Re: Filemaker through ODBC

2007-10-03 Thread Bruce Robertson
 Richard-
 
 Don't get me wrong about this - I'm not dismissing FMP out of hand by any
 means. We run our accounting system on FileMaker using a system I first
 cobbled together some ten years ago. But the lack of variables hurts, as
 does the fact that programming in FileMaker is limited to stringing together
 macro statements. I should retract my statement about the
 non-programmability, though, since it does satisfy my first-pass criterion
 for the definition, that of conditional branching.

Variables were introduced in several different ways beginning with FileMaker
7 over 2 years ago.

The let statement was introduced with 7.0.

Let ( [
myVariableName = FirstName + 78;
myVariableName2 =  32];
MyVariableName  myVariableName2
)

Script parameters were introduced with 7.0

Local variables ($yourVariableName) and global variables
($$yourVariableName) were introduced with 8.0 about 1.5 years ago. Besides
providing variable for scripts and calculations they provide for scripted
control of import, export, PDF and Excel document generation.

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Re: XML and Revolutin

2006-08-28 Thread Bruce Robertson
 Hi Rob,
 Dear All,
 
 I'm writing a small program that will read a text file and generate a
 corresponding SVG graphic. Ideally, the input text file would be
 readily parsed, and I'm wondering about using XML style construction.
 
 I'd appreciate pointers to any resources that would help me use XML.
 Is there, for example a tool that would strip an XML file to a list of
 variables and values?
 
 please check Sarah's great XML tutorial, that will definitiely get
 you started.
 
 It was (and still is) for me a very valuable resource for dealing
 with Rev XML :-)
 
 Get it here
 http://www.troz.net/Rev/tutorials.php

Oops, the XMLDemo1.rev download links doesn't work.

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Revolution in Seattle?

2006-03-23 Thread Bruce Robertson
Got any idea how many Revolution users there might be in the Seattle area?
Or good sources for demonstrations?

At Seattle's Mac user group dBug http://www.dbug.org we are giving some
thought to demonstrating Rev at a meeting. I'm trying to find good resources
to support such an activity. 

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Re: Revolution in Seattle?

2006-03-23 Thread Bruce Robertson
 I would think that there would be several users on campus downtown.
 
 Adam Engst, publisher of TidBits Newsletter (tidbits.com) might have local
 contacts.  He as been a Mac activist (I think, in Seattle) back in the
 earliest days.

Adam as you probably know is no longer in Seattle, but maybe he still has
contacts who use Rev. At the Macworld 2005 Netter's dinner he asked a lot of
survey questions, some about programming tools. Rev wasn't on the list then
but I mentioned it so he said he would include it now.

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Re: massive xml docs

2006-02-09 Thread Bruce Robertson
 Also in ideal these tools must be able handle queries to XML document.
 This can be Xpath, Xquery, or SQL/XML.
 
 ..and I'd advise staying away from XPath as well. It's gotten
 splintered into too many proprietary spinoffs.
 
 XQuery is much easier to read (IMO) and is pretty standardized these
 days. The only thing you can't do with it is update a document.
 
 To my mind, a 100MB xml document is poorly designed. It should be
 segmented into a hierarchy of smaller documents or exported to a
 database. But nobody asked me.

The 100MB file IS (or can be) one of the hiearchy of documents for this
application.

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Re: massive xml docs

2006-02-08 Thread Bruce Robertson
 
 On Feb 8, 2006, at 9:44 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 You can use revcreatexmltree, and just tell it to not build the dom
 tree/or keep the document in memory, and handle the messages.
 
 revCreateXMLTree(field XML Data,true,false,true)
 
 But won't that still choke on something as big as 100MB?
 
 Todd

Why Mr. Geist, we seem to be asking the same questions. About FMPro DDR docs
I suspect.

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Re: Massive XML docs

2006-02-08 Thread Bruce Robertson
 Hello Everyone.
 
 I have some very large XML files ( 100mb or more) that I would to
 parse. And this thing has to be fast.  I mean FAST. Since I have done
 almost no work with rev and XML, I am looking for advice on how to
 proceed

I've been asking the same questions of Emmanuel over at Satimage. (SUL -
Smile User List)

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Re: database

2005-10-24 Thread Bruce Robertson
 no offense. no boasting...
 
 I did the relational lookup in FMP, and it took minutes!
 
 So I opted for a double-linked-list of records (this was a hierarchical
 database - the relations were previously based on a parent id but searching
 this was horribly slow...
 
 So I made the search implicit by pre-creating the fetch index to the
 information. The relational didn't become flat but almost...
 
 The DBF database this came from originally was just as fast... Which tells
 you lots about how macs were seen by the guy who hired me...
 
 Im sure it wouldn't compete in the real world though, then again for a
 minimal
 functionality DB it did work wonders and it hardly used any xternals ;)

I would like to know more details about these claims. What version of
FileMaker, how long ago, did you talk to anybody who actually had some
FileMaker experience? Search results across 700,000 indexed records are
normally instantaneous.

There are some action - like summary calculations - which can definitely be
slow. If you were searching across a relationship, that used to be a known
problem in versions before 7 and there were techniques that could be used to
deal with it. But that, too, is no longer a problem and searches across
relationships are also fast now.

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Re: [Slightly OT] - Of Ajax, Ruby on Rails, and 37 Signals

2005-10-13 Thread Bruce Robertson
 Rodney.
 
 I have to say this is one of the most reasoned and intelligent
 responses I've seen to the implied question, Why doesn't everyone
 use Revolution? It serves as a good reminder of a couple of great
 Truths of Programming. First, no one tool is suited for everything.
 Second, busy programmers often can't take time to learn a new tool
 even if it's a lot better than the old ones they know, especially if
 the new one is a big paradigm shift.
 
 The point about Rev in a team environment is particularly well taken.
 
 Thanks for sharing.

When dealing with multi-developer projects, another application to look at
is Servoy. It is a commercial product but is data source agnostic and uses
javascript as the programming language. It has the same deployment
advantages you have mentioned. 

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Re: AppleScript - Silent Running?

2005-09-23 Thread Bruce Robertson
 Er, what's not true - that you're forced to see FM Pro do its
 stuff when using AppleScript or that you need activate at the
 start of each script?  I'm happy to believe the latter isn't
 required, but I don't think it helps since if this is left out I
 still see FM Pro screens flashing away.  However, I'm fairly
 convinced of the former!
 
 What happens if you start your script with:
 
 tell application FileMaker Pro
   hide
 
 'hide' is not a supported AppleScript command for FileMaker.  In fact
 I don't think it's an application command at all.  The way I make
 FileMaker hide itself using AppleScript is by using the Finder
 instead as follows:
 
   tell application Finder
  set visible of application process FileMaker to false
   end tell

You can control it at the window level also:

tell application FileMaker Pro
 set visible of window 1 to false
End tell

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Re: AppleScript - Silent Running?

2005-09-21 Thread Bruce Robertson
 I use AppleScript to send hide yourself to FM Pro whenever
 possible, but this doesn't help when I'm trying to access the
 database since I have to start my AppleScripts with 'activate'.
 
 Bruce Robertson:
 Not true.
 
 Er, what's not true - that you're forced to see FM Pro do its stuff
 when using AppleScript or that you need activate at the start of
 each script?  I'm happy to believe the latter isn't required, but I
 don't think it helps since if this is left out I still see FM Pro
 screens flashing away.  However, I'm fairly convinced of the former!

It is not true that you need to activate Filemaker to do useful things with
applescript and FileMaker.

There may be some things - go to layout for instance - where of course you
will in fact go to the layout as requested and therefore it will be visible.

I don't think I've seen any descriptions of what you are trying to
accomplish. But certainly you can get and set data, create new records,
perform finds, etc without making the window visible.

And of course you can also set the bounds of the window to an off screen
location.

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Re: AppleScript - Silent Running?

2005-09-21 Thread Bruce Robertson
 I don't have FMkr, so cannot test, but will the database respond and run if
 it is 'minimized' on the dock?  hidden dock?
 -layouts will still function, even if the window is 10x10 pixels
 -not sure about hidden databases running FMkr scripts
 -paste and image that looks like the desktop, so when it comes forward, the
 user can really tell it it FMkr.

Just did a few simple tests, yes it can be scripted while minimized. There
were a few things I had to do when scripting a hidden window that I do not
have to do when scripting a minimized window, so this looks like a good
technique.

 I used to use FMkr to export data called by Applescripts, but user interface
 was no concern since this was a server.

Doubtful. There is no way to get data from FileMaker Server, assuming  you
are talking about days before Filemaker 7. Maybe you're just talking about
Filemaker client with nobody operating it.

 Does the FMkr database have to be on the same Mac?  Being frontmost will not
 be an issue in that case.

That is probably doable.

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Re: AppleScript - Silent Running?

2005-09-20 Thread Bruce Robertson
 You could use the built-in web interfaces. I believe FileMaker can
 supply HTML or XML. This has the advantage of being silent as you
 say, and cross-platform.
 
 On Sep 20, 2005, at 3:47 AM, Peter Reid wrote:
 
 I'm using AppleScript to access a local FileMaker Pro 7 database
 under OS X 10.3/10.4 from my Rev stack.
 snip
 By the way, I've ended up using AppleScript to interface with FM
 Pro as I failed to get a free ODBC solution for OS X (Panther 
 Tiger). Can anyone suggest a free (or very low cost) workable ODBC
 solution for FM Pro 7, or any other connection technology or
 approach?!.

FileMaker 7 comes with free xDBC connectivity out of the box, though there
are updaters which you should get at the FileMaker download page.

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Re: AppleScript - Silent Running?

2005-09-20 Thread Bruce Robertson
 I'm using AppleScript to access a local FileMaker Pro 7 database
 under OS X 10.3/10.4 from my Rev stack.  This works fine except
 there's an awful lot of screen flashing going on - i.e. every time
 I use some AppleScript to access the FM Pro database, FM Pro becomes
 visible and is the front application.  The user sees my Rev window
 initially, then flashes of the FM Pro user interface and finally the
 Rev window again!
 
 I use AppleScript to send hide yourself to FM Pro whenever
 possible, but this doesn't help when I'm trying to access the
 database since I have to start my AppleScripts with 'activate'.

Not true. 

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Re: Another empirical speed test

2005-03-12 Thread Bruce Robertson
 # Test 1 code
 repeat with K1 = 1 to the number of lines in DerData
   put item 3 of line K1 of DerData into line K1 of DerData
 end repeat
 # Time: 18 seconds
 
 # Test 2 code
 put  into Rezult
 repeat (the number of lines in DerData)
   put (item 3 of line 1 of DerData)  return before Rezult
   delete line 1 of DerData
 end repeat
 # Time: 6.7 seconds
 
 # Test 3 code
 put  into Rezult
 repeat for each line LL in DerData
   put return  (item 3 of LL) after Rezult
 end repeat
 # !!! !!! !!! -- Time:  .03 seconds -- !!! !!! !!!

Have you considered doing tests 1 and 2 by first capturing number of lines
instead of recalculating it each time through?

Something like this:

Put number of lines in DerData into numlines
repeat with K1 = 1 to numlines
   put item 3 of line K1 of DerData into line K1 of DerData
end repeat

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Re: Using stacks as a database for very large data sets

2005-02-28 Thread Bruce Robertson
 Jonathan,
 
 Maybe for Rev 3.0 they will work out such a thing
 
 If they don't, I have--if you're ready to go client/serer.

Well, that sounds like the right approach. Brief summary?

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Re: Mac add-on for PCs [OT?]

2005-01-15 Thread Bruce Robertson
 I'm sure others can think of other neat scenarios for this tiny (2 in X
 6.5 in X 6.5 in) box.
 
 Sitting here, surrounded by five Macs and a PC of varying ages and
 capabilities, I can't think of a single reason why I'd need one of
 those. But I *still* want one anyway. Please, somebody help me. Please...

Sitting where again? Here's another angle, as noted on Slashdot:

 A DIN slot (car radio standard size) is 2x7.
 The mini mac is 2x6.5

Get any ideas about what this means?

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Re: Cross platform search database

2004-12-07 Thread Bruce Robertson
 The easiest way to set up all of the searching, etc. for a large
 database would be to store all of the data in an SQL database and let
 the database server worry about indexing, searching, and sorting
 results; however, this would require there to be an SQL database server
 running on the machine in order to query the results.  Not a
 particularly nice thing for running such a program from a CD.

Or just do it all in a Filemaker runtime.

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Re: Multiple shell commands

2004-11-22 Thread Bruce Robertson
 
 PHP remains a web thing alas... And RunRev lacks the threaded execution...

Nope. It's accessible from the command line.

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No peep from Malta?

2004-11-17 Thread Bruce Robertson
Not a peep from the Malta conference?

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Re: Well, which licence do I need ?

2004-09-08 Thread Bruce Robertson
 On 9/7/04 8:25 PM, Bruce Robertson wrote:
 
 Rev Support seem to be a bit behind, I asked a few days ago and still have
 heard no reply.
 
 We don't work over the weekend generally, but I answered you yesterday.

Sorry, I don't see anything from you.

 Check your spam box.

My what?

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Re: Well, which licence do I need ?

2004-09-08 Thread Bruce Robertson
 On 9/7/04 8:25 PM, Bruce Robertson wrote:
 
 Rev Support seem to be a bit behind, I asked a few days ago and still have
 heard no reply.
 
 We don't work over the weekend generally, but I answered you yesterday.

OK, I see the message. It started with a case number and then a quote from
my message so I glanced at it and concluded it was just one of those
auto-answer, we will give you a real answer some day messages.

But down at the bottom I see you did respond to my  question. Thank you.

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Re: Well, which licence do I need ?

2004-09-07 Thread Bruce Robertson
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] a *crit :
 
 You are probably best advised to address your  needs and pricing request to
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 yes I know, but I like to ask publicly first, just in case
 someone throws in some good independent advice...

Rev Support seem to be a bit behind, I asked a few days ago and still have
heard no reply.

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Re: CNC software by Rev

2004-07-09 Thread Bruce Robertson
 Hi Tom.  You are well into an area I would like to go one day.  I have
 been looking at controlling a panorama head for photo work.  I am very
 interested in what you are doing with telescopes as well.
 
 My short research so far leads me to want to investigate using the
 printer port, feeding the signals through a black box (with circuit
 board) and then to the particular units I wish to control. Although
 adding another hardware component to the path this might simplify the
 Rev work.

Note that Smile (the applescript programming toolset) has serial
communication built in. The whole reason Smile exists is to do machine
vision systems, process control, and data display. The fact that we all get
a free editor and scientific graphing utility out of it is merely a side
effect of Satimage's main business.

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Re: 3D project.

2004-07-07 Thread Bruce Robertson
 
 It's j-va...
 
 did you try?

Yess, that would the reason I made the statement wouldn't it?

I don't know what you're talking about. It's a standard Classic application
creation date 7/16/2002. Nothing Jova about it. Here's what the docs say:

This set of documents provides you minimum information to work with Anfy
applets and the 2.x wizard, either Win32 or Macintosh PPC program. We are
sorry, however, we currently do not offer Mac OS X native wizard.

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Re: 3D project.

2004-07-06 Thread Bruce Robertson
 I have a project which requires serious high-level programming, way
 beyond my abilities.
 
 I need to build a 3D perspective rendering engine to demonstrate a
 system I recently developed.

Consider Smile and SmileLab from Satimage.

http://www.satimage.fr/software/en/index.html

Install Smile and Smile Lab, then run Smile Lab Sample Center.

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Re: 3D project.

2004-07-06 Thread Bruce Robertson
 I used to believe java was a snail, until I saw anfi's java
 applets at http://anfyteam.com about 4 years ago...

Looks like it hasn't changed since; it wants to start Classic.

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Re: ANN: new version of CGI-Tool Stack

2004-06-13 Thread Bruce Robertson
 Hi folks,
 
 After being in hospital for a while due to an evil mosquito bite, I am
 back coding. First it's an annoucement of a new version of CGI-Tool
 stack. This is a simple Helper stack made by Me, Andre Alves Garzia
 ([EMAIL PROTECTED]), to help people setup MC Engine and LibCGI with
 remote FTP access.

So what happened to ServerWorks? Lat mention of it appear to be late April. 

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Re: [OT] Scriptable DMG tool?

2004-05-12 Thread Bruce Robertson
 I build a lot of DMGs, but Apple's Disk Utility isn't scriptable so I
 have no way to automate that end of my build process.
 
 Any of you know of a scriptable alternative to Disk Utility for making DMGs?


From MacScripter

http://bbs.applescript.net/viewtopic.php?t=8186highlight=disk+image

Use do shell script and hdiutil

Sample script posted on MacScripter for creating an encrypted disk image:


set desktop_path to ((path to desktop) as string)
set file_name to encrypted.dmg
set volume_name to Encypted Disk
set volume_size to 5m --megabytes
do shell script hdiutil create   (quoted form of POSIX path of
(desktop_path  file_name))  ¬
  -encryption -volname   (quoted form of volume_name)  ¬
  -size   volume_size   -fs HFS+ -attach 

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Re: Revolution questions

2004-04-18 Thread Bruce Robertson
 I was very impressd with the information on your site about Revolution. I
 would like to know the state of XML support, Sound and USB on different
 platforms.

I can't answer your questions. But I'm always curious about real world XML
applications, what is it that you do/hope to do with XML?

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Re: Hello from a Filemaker renegade

2004-04-11 Thread Bruce Robertson
 
 In a way, Rev could be said to be far closer to 4D than to FMP, as 4D
 provides a rich programming language and event-driven UIs.  But even
 then, IMNSHO comparisons favor Rev's simpler language and greater
 variety of supported platforms, not to mention the strength of relying
 on MySQL for storage and retrieval, which is fast becoming a de-facto
 standard.

Just remember that according to the terms of the MySQL license, if you
haven't used the commercial license (and I suspect most people conveniently
ignore this) you are obligated to release the source of your solution for
free.

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Re: Hello from a Filemaker renegade

2004-04-06 Thread Bruce Robertson
 3. Are there functions, plug-ins, tool-sets to handle complex
 relationships, entity diagrams, data validation?
 
 Can't help on that for I do not understand what you're meaning... =/

Those are all very basic database terms. The fact that they are unfamiliar
and do not appear much in Rev database discussions suggests that the state
of affairs in Rev database management is not very robust. 

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Re: waveforms

2004-03-23 Thread Bruce Robertson
 Any of you have an algorithm or external for generating wave form images
 from MP3 or other audio files?

I suggest you look at the very powerful scientific analysis tools available
with Smile, the French applescript editor. Smile is actually a very powerful
and very comprehensive system used for doing a variety of industrial and
scientific applications.

http://www.satimage.fr/software/en/index.html

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Re: Database Experience

2004-03-22 Thread Bruce Robertson
 FileMaker doesn't seem to understand the concept of record locking when
 multiple users on the internet are trying to access the same record
 at the exact same time.

And you do? MySQL does? I don't think so.

The internet is stateless. If you want to build a custom record locking
solution for web transactions, you can do it and you will face the same
issues in any  system. It only takes a very simple calculation in edit
privileges to accomplish.

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Re: Database Experience

2004-03-22 Thread Bruce Robertson
 On Mar 23, 2004, at 12:19 AM, Bruce Robertson wrote:
 
 And you do? MySQL does? I don't think so.
 
 The internet is stateless. If you want to build a custom record locking
 solution for web transactions, you can do it and you will face the same
 issues in any  system. It only takes a very simple calculation in edit
 privileges to accomplish.
 
 uh... I use XML and a little array. when record is accessed, the arrays
 (hum... actually is not an array, it's a queue) is checked, if the
 record is in the arrays, this meaning it's being edited right now, then
 it cannot be accessed, if it's not in the array, then it's unlocked.
 This is done before any DB connection function. It works fine. what do
 you think?

There is nothing that prevents you from using that approach with Filemaker
also if you want to; or you could use the easier native record locking
options.  

I don't quite understand how you lock a record without knowing what record
you're locking. You say you can lock a record or determine its lock status
without a DB connection. How does that work? How do you perform a query
without performing a query?

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Re: Database Experience

2004-03-22 Thread Bruce Robertson
 And you do?
 
 I don't think you have to be insulting if you want to disagree, or you
 have anything positive to add.  Why do you think people are starting
 to not ask their important questions on this list?  Its a bad trend.

Is it a better trend to not understand a product or technology and yet claim
that it is inadequate? You didn't ask a question. You made a proclmation.
You stated that Filemaker can't do something that has been a prominent part
of their advertised feature set for several years.

 Many people have been trying to move away from FileMaker Pro to MySQL
 because of these issues and multi-threaded issues.  A decent database
 should handle these things without the programmer having to re-invent
 with his/her own schemes.

Various hand-crafted MySQL record locking schemes are discussed in most
MySQL books.

 If you want to build a custom record locking
 solution for web transactions, you can do it and you will face the same
 issues in any  system. It only takes a very simple calculation in edit
 privileges to accomplish.
 
 Would you like to be more specific and helpful?  What version of
 FileMaker Pro are you referring to?

Record-level create, edit, browse, and delete features were introduced with
Filemaker 5.5. I believe that was in 2001. These features are controlled by
a calculation; and that calculation can be pretty much anything you want.

 I'm not using the latest version.
 FileMaker Pro needs to convince me with some major web improvements
 that it is worth the price to upgrade.  So far I'm unconvinced.
 If you have experience with version 7 I'd be interested in hearing
 about it.

Filemaker 7 is an approximately equivalent technical change to the switch
from MacOS 9 to OS X. This a massive technology change, and even people who
participated in the beta program have concluded that will probably take a
year before anybody fully understands all the power we've been given. I'm
pretty good with Filemaker, and I participate in several of the Filemaker
forums, and even the most highly skilled people are saying holy , what
have we got here!

High performance multithreaded server. 8TB max file size. 2GB  max content
in a single text field of a single record. BLOB support. ODBC/JDBC SQL
add/drop/create etc support. Multiple tables per file - max 1 million, as a
matter of fact. Industrial strength security. Robust instant web publishing.
Much improved relational model including multiple field pairs and different
types of join operators: equal, not equal, GT, LT, etc. $150 updgrade from
any previous version. Data/interface separation if you want to build that
way. It is still a product clearly in the FileMaker line and of course some
people will find things they don't like and will still elect to use other
products. But it's a whole new ball game, and I don't think anybody really
understands the implications yet.

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Re: use-revolution Digest, Vol 5, Issue 123

2004-03-06 Thread Bruce Robertson
 
 What I want to know is Lego Mindstorms controllable via
 Revolution?
 I think it is in the serial realm...
 
 I know there is a Mac version out there last time I searched. I think
 it was an educational version.

And there is something wrong with that?

The educational version is Robolab by National Instruments. It is based on
their very powerful Labview software. Robolab has several different user
levels, and is quite powerful and sophisticated at the upper levels. It is
also cross platform, which the toy software is not.

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Re: use-revolution Digest, Vol 5, Issue 123

2004-03-06 Thread Bruce Robertson
 
 And thanks for the info about Robolab--I wasn't aware of it.  Do you
 know where it is available and whether it runs in OS X?

AFAIK the exclusive distributor is Pitsco, www.pitsco.com

You will find the Robolab software under the Mindstorms links.


http://www.pldstore.com/pld/catalog.cfm?dest=itempgitemid=1264secid=9link
on=subsectionlinkid=45

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Re: [OT] the first look at MTML, Yeah RunRev!

2004-02-07 Thread Bruce Robertson
 Hi Revolutionaries,
 
 In case anyone is interested in the first look at this, here is a link
 to download site where I will try to sell it later:
 http://www.gizmotron.org/intuition/download.html

Interesting name coincidence. At Macworld, I was looking over the CAD
application Design Intuition by GizmoLab.
http://www.gizmolab.com/software/

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Re: List etiquette suggestion

2004-01-31 Thread Bruce Robertson
 Frank-
 
 One thing that would help is if people adhered to the RFC-standard
 signature trimmer of -- (That's dash-dash-space) on a line by itself.
 Most modern email clients will trim everything after that
 automatically when replying.
 
 -- 

I thought that destroyed digest readers ability to parse messages and was
distincly NOT reommended.

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Re: Opening a Rev app from a browser?

2004-01-31 Thread Bruce Robertson
 
 revHTTPd is an embedable (hell my english is horrible sometimes)
 server, it's a frontscript (a button), you put it on a stack, and then
 it is able to serve itself and it's substacs like they were web apps.
 You can try my home revHTTPd server and learn more about it at
 http://home.soapdog.org:8081/

Oops, no you can't. At at least it didn¹t work for me.

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Re: a good laptop PC for Revolution MIDI?

2004-01-22 Thread Bruce Robertson
 The iBook has a hinge problem that is quickly becoming an epidemic on
 machines approaching (or past) their warranty expiration. If you go for
 an iBook, -please- also get the AppleCare extended warranty as this
 hinge repair $$ is more than the cost of AppleCare.
 
 The ribbon cable that passes through the hinge to the screen get
 damaged after a number of months of use. Opening and closing the lid is
 the action that hurts this cable so the more you travel with your iBook
 (and the more you open and close it), the sooner the problem develops.

There are two problems. The other main problem giving a dead screen is a
failed logic board because a BGA component starts to disconnect from the
board. But all the problems are with G3 iBooks. 

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Re: Auto Play on PCs

2004-01-17 Thread Bruce Robertson
 When you are in less of a hurry you can give me a clue as to how to do
 that on OS X.
 
 Dar Scott

Autorun off CD on Macs is a Quicktime setting.

Since autorun is a source of virus propagation, it has been recommended to
turn this preference off since about Sytem 7. It is off by default, and most
Mac users won't have it turned on.

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Re: Interfaces: PC and MAC and the screenGamma property...

2004-01-13 Thread Bruce Robertson
 Yep,
 
 but how to get two buttons (and a scroll wheel) on my new i-Book?

Cash, check or charge all seem to work.

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Re: Apple script problems

2003-12-20 Thread Bruce Robertson
 I don't have FileMaker so I can't test this, but what do you get if you
 say:
 get every record as string
 in the AppleScript?
 
 AppleScript has decided to give you a list and that may end up easiest
 to process, but try coercing it to a string and see what happens.
 
 Cheers,
 Sarah
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 http://www.troz.net/Rev/
 
 
 Sarah,
 
 You are a champ, proving the superiority of string theory! It returns
 a tab/return delimited string.
 
 Unfortunately, for a big file, I get an execution error. But I got
 that without the as string. I don't think this is a Run Rev
 capacity problem. I am able to import the file into a varaibe (or a
 field). I  suspect that AppleScript has limits on string lengths.
 
 Back to the tried-and-true--importing a text file.
 ___

1. You seem to be having difficulty with applescript 101 text handling.

2. You are making FileMaker operate inefficiently and do multiple operations
when it isn't necessary.

3. You haven't described any detail about the scope of this operation? How
many records, how many fields?

2. You aren't describing the runrev end of things. What is the applescript
in RR to make your new record? What data do you need to feed to it?

Tell app FileMaker Pro
Copy every record of document xyz.fp5 to mydata
-- result is a list
-- do NOT coerce to string yet
End tell
-- we're through with FileMaker

Set applescript's text item delimiters to tab
Copy count of myDate to rowCount
Repeat with num from 1 to rowcount
Copy (item num of mydata) at text to temp
-- 1 tab delimited record
-- what do you want to do with it?
MyRevmagic(temp)
End repeat

On myRevmagic(theData)
-- well now what?
End myRevmagic

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Re: Apple script problems

2003-12-20 Thread Bruce Robertson
 Yes, I am bound to use  FMP. All the volunteers at the campaign
 headquarters use FMP to do data entry and construct walking lists,
 etc.
 
 I am still surprised that AppleScript doesn't do the normal thing and
 just return a comma/return (or tab/return) delimited text file
 instead of the  curly brackets. Thank God there are not curly
 brackets in the database.

They would have survived fine. Converting applescript lists to delimited
text is pretty trivial. 

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Re: Update available for license.rev

2003-08-04 Thread Bruce Robertson
 
 My educated guess would be that if you are supposed to be replacing a
 file, than the replacement should have the same name (and be in the
 same location) as the file it is replacing...
 
 Just an educated guess,,,

So your educated guess, upon receiving explicit instructions in the Rev
announcement, to download and rename a file, is that you should download and
NOT rename a file? You have a different education, I suppose.

It would be a small matter to zip a readme into the download files. Since
some of the files require you to do directly opposite things, instructions
would be helpful. 

Having been through this, it is a small matter, and I now understand what to
do.

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Re: Update available for license.rev

2003-08-02 Thread Bruce Robertson
 Unzip it, rename it, and replace your existing license.rev file with
 it, to be found in the Revolution folder, on the top level directory.
 
 Sounds like instructions to me... ;-)

So I should rename the files I was specifically talking about in my
question, distribution builder and revlibrary. Hm, what shall I name them?

I did figure out that I wasn't supposed to rename ANYTHING and was in fact
supposed to put them in different Rev application folders. 

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Re: [ANN] New MySQL tests stack

2003-07-31 Thread Bruce Robertson
 I have fixed my MySQL test stack so that it can correctly handle Rev
 2.0.2 and it's little database problem. The text of my web page has not
 yet changed to reflect the new version, but the download link will get
 you the new one. If you have been using my stack and have got Rev
 2.0.2, download the new version. It allows you to list cursors with
 more than 22 records.

Sort of.

I tried it, it only connects to database test and will not connect to
other databases.

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Re: Database access in Rev Studio

2003-07-24 Thread Bruce Robertson
 MySQL tests is one of my stacks - I guess I forget to claim any
 credit for that one :-)
 Since those of us with current licenses are apparently not allowed to
 get 2.0.2 :-(
 I can't give you any advice. I have only ever tried test databases with
 at most about 10 records. Were you able to get more records with
 earlier versions or is this your first one?

I've tried your MYSQL apps, I get restricted under current license when
trying to connect. My current license is a pro 2.02 license. 

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Re: Build Distribution problem in rc1

2003-05-30 Thread Bruce Robertson
 
 On Wednesday, May 21, 2003, at 02:36  PM, Derek Huby wrote:
 
 Hi folks,
 
 When I try to 'Build Distribution' with Rev 2.0 rc1 (Licensed - SBE),
 absolutely nothing happens.(OS X.2.4).
 
 Is it me...?

And for me, it comes up with a 2/3 height window. Only a sliver of the
bottom buttons is visible. It's useless. Rev 2.0r2, OSX 10.2.6.

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Re: Robots RunRev?

2003-04-05 Thread Bruce Robertson
 I just hooked up with an 8 year-old through the Big Brother, Big
 Sister program who is interested in robots.
 
 Anyone had any experience with interfacing RunRev with a robot? Maybe
 through the serial port?

Look into the Lego stuff. The Lego Mindstorms software is Windows only; but
RoboLab is x-plat. The RCX brick (controlller) doesn't care which
appllication the instructions come from. You can find it at Pitsco, USA
distributor for Lego education products. Robolab is based on National
Instruments Labview. It's quite an amazing application. Robolab is
scriptable, though I haven't tried scripting it.

If you look at the Mindstorms web site, you'll find people have done
fascinating things with this system. Photocopier; 3D coordinate measurment
machine; Lego machine guns; etc.

PITSCO:
http://www.pitsco.com

Robolab catalog link:
http://www.pldstore.com/pitsco2_30/catalog.cfm?dest=dirlinkid=45linkon=sub
section

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Re: RR and FileMaker

2003-04-02 Thread Bruce Robertson
 The recent discussion on interfacing FileMaker and Rev has aroused my
 curiosity.
 
 I have occasion, especially at election time, to work with FileMaker.
 Since I  have never been able to decipher the arcane scripting
 language in FileMaker, my alternative has been to export the
 FileMaker file as a text file, make my changes using Transcript in RR
 and then import the altered text file back into FileMaker.
 
 Can I assume that this is not a really dumb way to work with FileMaker?

No,  I would not assume that. What exactly are you trying to do?

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Re: Relational database capabilities?

2002-11-02 Thread Bruce Robertson
 There's loads of stuff about FileMaker and Rev in the searchable archives at
 
 http://www.google.com/advanced_search?q=site:lists.runrev.com
 
 I prefer the web companion method, which briefly...
 
 Quote
  You can use FileMaker Pro web companion to  exchange  data between FMP
 and Rev either on the local network or on the internet.
 
 Normally, all you have to do  (after  setting up web companion) is to send
 
 put http://folderInPath/folderWithResponseFile/FMPro; into theURL
 post
 -db=MyDbNameHere-lay=DBLayoutNameHere-format=FormatFileName.html-findAll
 
 put urlDecode(it) 


This reply is rather discontinuous. None of the statements seem to relate to
each other. First a variable is declared, then never used. Then a post
statemenet is issued. Then you put something, referring to a variable that
hasn't been defined, and not actually putting it anywhere.

I have searched the referenced site and can't find the orginal which this
quote is supposed to have come from.

Is there a real and complete example of this technique somewhere?

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Re: Mouse lock

2002-10-28 Thread Bruce Robertson
 Hi Bruce,
 
 Rev 1.1.1 is known to have a few issues with the
 Appearance Manager that shipped with MacOS X 10.2
 Jaguar. Have you tried changing the 'Look and feel' to
 'MacOS Emulated' in the menu 'View' ?
 
 Hope this helped,

OK, that sorta fixes the problem. But the text selection is kind of wonky.

Now I have to figure out how to use applescript tell statements

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Mouse lock

2002-10-27 Thread Bruce Robertson
I purchased Revolution at MacWorld SF 2001 last January. I am finally trying
to go through the tutorial.

However, the tutorial says you can use the option key to copy text from the
tutorial window. This does not work.

Once you have depressed the option key, Revolution never thinks you have let
it go. The application locks up completely, and the only thing that happens
is that if you hover over the original tutorial window, the text will
highlight/unhighlight as you drag the mouse. No other controls, menus, other
Rev window or other Rev palettes will respond.

Rev 1.1.1X, OSX 10.2.1.

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