Re: Printing question
Charles, While it's a little hard for me to be sure what you're trying to do here, I think I get it. At least this should get you headed in the right direction. Faced with the task I think you're asking about, I'd do the following: 1. Lock the screen 2. Hide the appropriate elements on each of the cards to be printed. (You can use hide button 1 of card 43 for example without navigating to the card in question. 3. Use open printing to set up a batch print job. 4. Order the printing of the three cards in a loop or just by separate print commands 5. Close printing to force the queue to print. 6. Show the hidden controls 7. Unlock the screen if necessary Make sense? Dan On 1/21/07, Charles Szasz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been using Dan Shafer's excellent book on printing has help me a great deal iwith my project. But I have a question. I have three cards that I want to print. Each card has a button that has to be hidden and one card has a group three radio buttons that have to be hidden. I am using lock screen and unlock screen with the hide and show commands to hide the buttons and radio buttons. Here is my question, how do I incorporate printing each card with different elements to be hidden and shown in the printing script that is in one print button? Charles Szasz [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: lost everything, macbook and its HD broken.
Andre, Wow, man, I am sorry to hear this. It reminded me once again of the necessity of keeping thiings backed up. I'm pretty meticulous about it but every once in a whlie I let it slide. Hope your woes can be solved soon. Dan On 1/15/07, Andre Garzia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Friends, I was here coding some AJAX programs and developing libraries, my macbook just made a strange mechanical noise and then it was dead... when tried to boot, it made lots of mechanical noises and it never booted again. The noises are comming from the hard drive. I am assuming I lost everything. all my source code for the last year and everything I was working. I don't know what is broken... but I can't make it boot even from CDs... I don't know what I am to do now. I am writting from my old G4. I was doing some contract work and then it broke. The machine is now bricked. Can't boot from HD, Firewire, Network or CD, I've tried them all. The screen goes white, lot's of bad noises and the famous question mark of no system folder. I can't even erase the PRAM... never chimes. sorry for this annoucement but it will be a while till I set everything up again. Tomorrow I'll go to apple repair service but they are making a fool of me for more than three months already. I was waiting for a replacement main board for this same machine. Now it appears, I'll need a new machine. My backup machine was broken some months ago, I had no money to buy the parts to build it up again. The G4 had no space for hosting the macbooks backup. I think I just lost all my revolution source code which was maybe 5 or 6 gb worth of code. andre ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: iPhone
He announced Apple TV last fall, so there is some precedent. And the regulatory issues are certainly at the heart of this. That process is so leaky it's worse than a sieve. A sieve at least has some parts holding it together. Dan On 1/11/07, Mark Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mr. Jobs explains this in his key-note by saying that since it takes months to get all the necessary public licences (a fairly public process), they decided to announce it themselves, rather than effectively let the FCC (or whoever it is) do it for them. Or maybe he just couldn't wait :) Mark On 12 Jan 2007, at 00:14, Mark Wieder wrote: ...and just out of curiosity, can anyone remember Apple announcing a product six months before the announced shipping date? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution featured on OSNews.com
The link: http://www.osnews.com/story.php/16901/End-User-Programming-Packages--Revolution Thanks for bringing this to our attention, Andre! On 1/9/07, Andre Garzia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Folks, go there, comment!!! let us get the word going!!! Andre ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OMG!!!! Steve Jobs is launching the iPhone and it runs MacOS X.
Widgets are standalone components that run in a base runtime and can execute JavaScript, HTML and at least some XML. The only sense in which I can easily SEE Rev being used is to spit out the JavaScript/XML/HTML code to be used in the Widget. IOW, perhaps a Widget builder could be created in Rev. Chipp and I discussed this on and off a while back but didn't see a market. Dan On 1/9/07, Devin Asay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 9, 2007, at 11:52 AM, Andre Garzia wrote: Folks, I must say, I am amazed reading about macworld keynote... Steve is releasing the iPhone, full multitouch screen, no keys, running MacOS X... we need to get Revolution engine on this!!! It apparently can run standard Dashboard widgets. Does anyone know, is it possible to produce Dashboard widgets in Rev? My understanding is that creating a widget is more a matter of configuring the app's plist correctly and including some needed resources, than of which development environment you use. Devin Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OMG!!!! Steve Jobs is launching the iPhone and it runs MacOS X.
Yeah, and there are other tools out there for this purpose as well, I think. Dan On 1/9/07, Trevor DeVore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 9, 2007, at 11:28 AM, Dan Shafer wrote: Widgets are standalone components that run in a base runtime and can execute JavaScript, HTML and at least some XML. The only sense in which I can easily SEE Rev being used is to spit out the JavaScript/XML/HTML code to be used in the Widget. IOW, perhaps a Widget builder could be created in Rev. Chipp and I discussed this on and off a while back but didn't see a market. Apple already has a dev tool in beta (Dashcode) for Widgets so someone should check that out before they ventured into creating their own. You can get access to it with a free ADC developer account. -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems - www.bluemangolearning.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [ANN] RevOnRockets Web Development educational Package! Happy 2007 everyone.
Andre, Congratulations! I know you've spent a HUGE amount of time, thought and energy (and probably coffee) on this project. I've downloaded it and will begin poking at it today. Go have a beer on me (send me the bill.) :-) Dan On 12/31/06, Andre Garzia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Folks, it is with imense happyness that I make available what I came to call RevOnRockets package. This package is a bundle of a web server, libraries and demos, everyting in 100% transcript. The objective is to help the aspiring web developer (and the seasoned one) to create their web applications, the RevHTTP server runs inside the Revolution IDE and is able to run text file based cgis as well as serve files, this alone enables everyone to develop for the web from inside rev, using the debugger!!! Develop and Test your CGIs from inside revolution! This is of course freeware with source. All code is commented, specially the webserver code. I give this to this wonderful community as a token of gratitude for all the years that everyone and his dog helped me! What is included: * RevHTTP - 100% transcript web server with new features and cleaner code. * EasyCGI Core library - a simple library for building text file cgis. * EasySessions - a simple library for session management. * EasyDebug - a error report tool for CGIs. * libCGI compatibilty functions - RevHTTP has a compatible API that allows libCGI based apps to run inside it. * Demos for all libraries and even AJAX demos!!! More documentation is expected as time goes. The demos and the libraries will also have updates. Right now they are very bare but I do like them and use them everyday. Have I mentioned that I commented my code yet? ALL FREE license is: cannot-blame-the-brazilian-guy-if-it- explodes-public-license 1.0 Have fun! file is here http://andregarzia.com/RevHTTP.zip Launch http.rev and click start! happy 2007 everyone Cheers andre ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Developer's Conference in Vegas?
I, too, appreciate the apology Kevin. I apologize if I flew off the handle a little quickly. Stressfui times. Dan On 12/22/06, Chipp Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks a bunch for the apology Kevin. Stuff happens sometimes. Let me know if I can help. best, Chipp I'd like to apologize for any offence caused in our part in how this came out. It was always our intention to work with you on a joint announcement once we had actually firmed up the plans for a conference - something we are still working on. It was a slip up - we could have handled the newsletter better. Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution - User-Centric Development Tools ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Have a passport, will travel.
What he said. :-) Dan On 12/22/06, Chipp Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andre, Thanks for those very kind words. Monterey is a fabulous place to host a conference. Dan is a great MC (for Richard, Jacque, Ken et al: MC = Master of Ceremonies;-). I always thought we did a great job of recruiting speakers, and the content was always interesting. We did work hard to create a multi-track system where there would always be at least one interesting presentation for developers at all levels. Thanks to all the presentors for their very professional presentations! And what a blast to finally put faces to names. I, too, looked forward to it each year. You know Dan and I will miss it very much. Perhaps another year. best, Chipp ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Developer's Conference in Vegas?
Actually, Chipp and I had NOT announced that we were not going to hold RevCon West again this year. We had in fact *decided* not to and we had shared that information with RR *confidentially*. They had asked us *not* to announce it until they could announce *their* conference plans because they had apprently decided they needed to host their own conference in any case. This premature non-announcement is disconcerting. Chipp and I had planned a clear announcement of our intention after RR informed us it was time to do so. Dan ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
What's Up With RevCon West?
By now, you've probably seen the quasi-announcement from RunRev that they are planning some sort of conference activity this year. It may (or may not) have occurred to you to wonder what that means for RevCon West in Monterey. Chipp and I took a long, hard look at RevCon after the last show and decided not to hold it, at least this year. There were a lot of reasons, some financial, some personal, some work related, and some driving from the feeling tha we weren't serving a very broad community need with our offering. We had not decided whether we would pick up the conference again in 2008, perhaps at a different location (though everyone who has attended has been consistent in urging us to keep it in Monterey). As soon as we had decided to cancel this year's show, we notified Kevin and Lynn at RunRev. We did not want to announce our decision in a way that could harm the community's perception of the ongoing value we place on the technology. They asked us to hold off until they could make their own conference plans clearer. That was the first we'd heard that they were planning to do a (potentially competitive) conference this year and it further reinforced our decision. Obviously this community is not large enough to make multiple multi-day conferences profitable in the U.S. We agreed, somewhat reluctantly because we really felt our primary obligation was to you, the members of this outstanding community, to hold off on our announcement so we could all effect an orderly transition. The mention yesterday of RR's intent to do something in the conference space rendered that delay no longer operable. So now you know. No RevCon West next year. If RR goes ahead with its own conference, that will probably effectively kill RevCon West for future years as well. It was fun. Dan ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: CGI
Mark, Any of several things could cause what you're seeing. My first guess in such situations is always that the line endings in the file you create in TextEdit are not set to Unix-style line endings but are rather Mac line endings. That's one of many reasons I use BBEdit for such files rather than TextEdit. I assume you have TextEdit set to create text rather than RTF but even if you do, I think TextEdit does not normally produce Unix-style line endings. If that's not the problem, post a reply and we can do some further detective work. Dan On 12/17/06, Mark Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm trying make a really simple text-file cgi (on OS X)., which I've done in the past without difficulty. I create a new document in textEdit. I copy the script from echo.mt (the script that comes with the Rev installation, I think) into my new textEdit document. I save it as hello.mt. in the CGI-Executables folder. I chmod it's permissions to 755. I type http://localhost/cgi-bin/hello.mt; into the Safari URL field. I get Internal Server Error. I type http://localhost/cgi-bin/echo.mt; into Safari URL field. I get the expected listing of globals. When I get the detailed files from the CGI-Executables folder, I can see that the permissions for hello.mt are indeed 755. So, I simply duplicate the echo.mt file, and rename it to hello.mt. I type http://localhost/cgi-bin/hello.mt; into the Safari URL field. I get the expected listing of globals. I am now completely baffled. What have I missed out? Can anyone shed some light? Thanks, Mark ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: CGI
It gets a lot of folks. Glad it worked out. Dan On 12/17/06, Mark Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you, Dan. That's the problem. And now you've reminded me, I remember that it caught me out before... Thanks again. Mark On 18 Dec 2006, at 01:07, Dan Shafer wrote: Mark, Any of several things could cause what you're seeing. My first guess in such situations is always that the line endings in the file you create in TextEdit are not set to Unix-style line endings but are rather Mac line endings. That's one of many reasons I use BBEdit for such files rather than TextEdit. I assume you have TextEdit set to create text rather than RTF but even if you do, I think TextEdit does not normally produce Unix- style line endings. If that's not the problem, post a reply and we can do some further detective work. Dan On 12/17/06, Mark Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm trying make a really simple text-file cgi (on OS X)., which I've done in the past without difficulty. I create a new document in textEdit. I copy the script from echo.mt (the script that comes with the Rev installation, I think) into my new textEdit document. I save it as hello.mt. in the CGI-Executables folder. I chmod it's permissions to 755. I type http://localhost/cgi-bin/hello.mt; into the Safari URL field. I get Internal Server Error. I type http://localhost/cgi-bin/echo.mt; into Safari URL field. I get the expected listing of globals. When I get the detailed files from the CGI-Executables folder, I can see that the permissions for hello.mt are indeed 755. So, I simply duplicate the echo.mt file, and rename it to hello.mt. I type http://localhost/cgi-bin/hello.mt; into the Safari URL field. I get the expected listing of globals. I am now completely baffled. What have I missed out? Can anyone shed some light? Thanks, Mark ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Beginning Programming for Dummies 4th edn
Thanks to both of you for your comments on my book. I'm aware of the problems a lack of index can cause. All I can say by way of (admittedly somewhat weak) defense is that: (a) doing a proper index is a huge amount of work and requires skills I lack and couldn't afford to hire; and (b) I (perhaps mistakenlly) followed the time-honored tradition of using a monospaced font for code. I agree that there are some places -- though not a huge number, as far as I know -- where that font doesn't treat spacing very well. Also, I originally authored the book as an eBook where an index is much less useful (though not entirely useless) since indexing terms always results in the indexer puttng some things under terms the reader finds puzzling or opaque. When it became a print publication, I agree I should have figured out how to do that on some level at least. If I had it to do over again, I'd certainly try to find a volunteer to do an index and I'd do even more reformatting than the Courier font problem. Unfortunately, reality being what it is, I won't probably get a chance to do it over again. But I really appreciate the kind words and the criticisms. On 12/9/06, Adrian Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter, As a new user of Revolution I agree with your analysis of Dummies. Small things can make a huge difference to beginners! For me 'Software At The Speed Of Thought' lacks an Index at the back which would make zeroing in on snippets *much* easier to locate. To counter this lack, I found myself having to use a highlighter pen on virtually every word of Courier (of current interest) set in the text. That's another thing. Typographically, the Times/Courier combination is not a good one. Important single words of Courier are hard to detect. One has to read the whole paragraph to encounter the Courier emphasized word. It does not have enough emphasis to make it stand out and contrast with Times. All 'Code' text in Courier Bold would have been better and easy to do. Yes, these comments are picky, but in a constructive way I hope and free advice from a Typeface Designer. Adrian On 9 Dec 2006, at 10:01, Peter Alcibiades wrote: Get Dan Shafer's book revised for a third edition, some introductory parts slimmed down, a few more details on some of the topics, a few more detailed howtos, and put the CD with the express edition with it. Particularly expand the parts about storing, retrieving and deleting data. There's too much about the user interface, and too little about how to write stuff that deals with the data which is why the end user is writing the program in the first place. But, small criticisms aside, 'Software at the speed of thought' is really excellent for a first introduction for a sophisticated end user. It is everything that the Dummies book is not - it just needs to go a little further. And have the express edition packaged along with it. Get some detailed material on how to work with arrays, lists, and tables into the Revolution pdf. Peter ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Beginning Programming for Dummies 4th edn
On 12/9/06, Adrian Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hope you do get chance to revisit the 'Speed..' book. Many page layout apps. InDesign and Quark XPress included have automatic Index makers. Yes, they catch-all instances, but judicial editing solves this. Perhaps an IndexOnly-eBook? Microsoft Word, which is what I was using as my word processor when I wrote the book, does this, too, but you have to jump through so many hoops that it's tremendously simpler to do it manually. Besides which, of coure, a manual index is more flexible and more likely to be accurate and usefeul than any non-intellilgent indexing software (and probably even intelligent indexing software). :-) Dan ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Beginning Programming for Dummies 4th edn
Jerry, On 12/9/06, Jerry Muelver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The ultimate cost of NOT having the proper learning tools has to be staggeringly higher than the cost of developing them. Jerry Muelver __ Apparently RR disagrees. Although I think they have been trying really hard with their latest round of in-house docs and they've been supportive of my efforts when I've made them. OH, and for Adrian's benefit: Vols II III were killed a long time ago in favor of the release of smaller eBooks focused on specific topics. I've done four of these, started a fifth, and then got bogged down in honest-to-goodness paying work that doesn't involve programming or Rev. Maybe someday _ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: Would I need a content management system for this?
You would certanly not need a full-blown CMS for these tasks, but your question makes me wonder if you've perhaps taken a bit of a wrong-headed approach to what a CMS can do for you. Drupal, Joomlia, Plone, and a number of other such products don't only make it easier to permit people with little or no HTML coding experience to maintain certain aspects of a Web site, they also contain a bunch of built-in, tightly integrated modules that streamline and facilitate other functionality. Drupal is, at least in my experience, almost ridiculously easy to implement, customize and maintain and would give you either out of the box or in add-in modules all of the functionality you've listed here with little or no actual programming. The same can be said of the other open source CMS solutions. What I think I'm trying to say is that when I advise clients these days on the design and implementation of Web sites that are more than just brochureware, I encourage them to begin with a decent open source CMS and only move outside of it if there's some essential functionality they can't otherwise get. At least that's my 11 cents' worth. (Price of opinions has to keep pace with inflation, you know.) Dan On 12/8/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Say, if I wanted to create a web-site that supports the following functionality, would I need a full-blown content management system like Drupal or Joomla!, or could I get away with something simpler like Contribute and some open-source modules? Needed features: 1) Message boards 2) Local search (searching through past articles that were displayed on the site) 3) Video streaming 4) Filtered rostering 5) Ability to allow 5-6 editors to update text/pictures on certain pages of the site. We're not talking a high-bandwidth site here either - - - could be 800 hits a day, for a non-profit. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution and the Web, focus on IDE Add-ons
Andre, happy to do what I can on the JS side of things. Dan On 12/7/06, Todd Geist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andre, It sounds good to me. I would like to help in any way that I can, but my Rev skills are fairly weak. At the very least I can be a stupid user tester :) Todd On Dec 6, 2006, at 2:35 PM, Andre Garzia wrote: Hello folks, I've seen my little topic grew to the point of not being related to the thing I had in mind anymore. People here talking about morfik and about engine changes, I want again to try to focus on what can be done now by a group of volunteers by using nothing but revolution ide add-ons... no externals, no engine changes, no third party technologies (except maybe xsltproc which is standard on unix machines). Let us try to focus on a tool that picks a given stack, process it and exposes user selected methods as a RPC endpoint. The RPC system should be simple enough so that we can implement the other side of it in javascript. This alone will greatly help what we're doing. We're babies on web development, let us take baby steps. Objective of this first phase: * Create a Remote Procedure Call system that is able to expose revolution handlers or functions as something accesible by a networked client. Implement this as a selfcontained library, no magic stuff, just plain code. (possibly REST inspired) * Create a plugin thing to help with the RPC code, maybe allowing you to select methods on the topstack to be exposed and thus having the tool write the stubs for it. * Create the javascript library to access that RPC system. * Create a tool that writes glue code to match revolution exposed methods to javascript methods thus hiding the RPC side from the developer. I think those are reasonable objectives for a first experiment, what people here think? Cheers andre -- Todd Geist __ g e i s t i n t e r a c t i v e ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution and the Web, feedback wanted, Part 1 of 3So
Jerry, For me, at least, the big gain would be allowing me to do all my Web application development in Rev. (Note, not Web page design, but app development.) It is, I think, difficult for most people to become truly proficient in too many languages at once. Being able to build a Rev app and then deploy it to a Web server/browser combination would for me be a pretty big deal. Dan On 11/29/06, Jerry Muelver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What programming or production problem would be solved by morphing Rev into Perl-PHP-Ruby-on-rails-JavaScript-Ajax-Curl-Python-CSS-Apache? What would be the gain? Jerry Muelver ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Where Rev could be going...
Bernard, Andre is much more knowledgeable and deeply experienced in this subject than I, and I suspect he'll jump in here as well, but FWIW, here's my take. It is perfectly possible to use Rev as a CGI platform. I have successfully coded CGIs of moderate complexity on both Linux and OS X. Once you get over the same kinds of niggling details that plague CGI as a technology regardless of the implementation language, these CGIs work just fine. However, the inability to thread in Rev effectively makes the use of Rev for CGI applications pretty limited as a practical matter. Each execution of the CGI is effectively blocking in nature. (I'm over-simplifying a bit here, I know, but I think this is the primary concern in broad terms.) Each invocation of the CGI waits for previous invocations to terminate. In a low-usage environment, the wait is acceptable and depending on what the CGI is actually doing, it can be unnoticeble. But to use a CGI in a production server environment where the amount of load is unpredictable or known to be large, Rev is a non-starter. Pierre Sahores, with his insead technology, has found some very clever and obtuse ways around the limitations of Rev as a CGI and appears to have had some great success with his approach. I have never had a project on which I could try insead, so all I can go by is the fact that Pierre is bright and one of the better scripters I know. HTH On 11/17/06, Bernard Devlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe Dan or Andre could comment on what they think about the 4th item? I seem to remember some posts a few months ago where they were expressing some exasperation with Rev CGIs. Was the principle limitation with Rev CGI to do with threading and scalability? Bernard ___ ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Lets make a deal!!!!!!!!!!
Naw, I like it when people talk about what's good and not-so-good about the product. If this list were nothing but bugs, hints, tips and tech trivia, it'd bore me to tears. It's not hard to filter out the stuff you don't want to listen to. I like the friendly banter and even some of the occasional confrontation that goes on around here, at least as long as it stays civil. It's kind of like life. Avoiding discussing religion and politics makes for safer conversations but also for more boring ones. I think the key isn't subject matter, it's civil behavior. But then that's me. On 11/16/06, Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I think that there is a lot of silly, sometimes personal crap on this list on the odd occasion and I reckon it boils down to this: Someone relates some (usually fairly truthful) bad news about RunRev and then someone else tries to make it all right by relating all the good things about RunRev (that you invariably already know) or berates your apparent apathy in investigating problems or criticizes your programming style or makes some comment about how unlikely it is that anyone else would do such a way-out thing and then starts to goad and really get on your nerves and then you get a flame-war Cool! OR Someone relates some (usually fairly truthful) good news about RunRev and then someone seek to weaken the effect by pointing out some defect. Well lets all just make a deal? No one rain on the parade and no one stop the rain from falling How does that Sound??? Cheers all! Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Kudos to Bill Marriott and RunRev
Fantastic news. Way to go, RR and BIll! Now the rest of us have clear marching requests (since nobody can order US around, right?) :-) On 11/10/06, J. Landman Gay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Richard Gaskin wrote: I just got the latest newsletter. Wow! Check out the new QA initiative headed up by Bill Marriott: http://www.runrev.com/newsletter/november/issue13/newsletter1.php I am so excited by this. As near as I can tell, it is everything that people here have been asking for. And Bill, wow, what a champ, stepping up to the plate like this. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev_rant
As the folks on this list who know me understand quite well, I work with a number of different tool sets depending on the problem I'm trying to solve, the deployment environment called for, and other variables. For the problems for which it is the appropriate solution -- and the size of that set is quite large -- nothing I use is more efficient or effective than Revolution. Period. End of story. Even taken in the abstract, it is easily in the top two or three languages/tools I use for my software development. As Josh says, there is no such thing as bug-free non-trivial software (my twist on his observation). But when all is said and done, Rev and Transcript are closer to an ideal environment in which to develop cross-platform desktop applications with minimal pain and fuss and attention to cross-platform implementation details than anything else I use. On 11/8/06, Josh Mellicker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's a jungle out there folks, let's face it. RR has and is continuing to do an incredible and often thankless job providing developers with a tool that, albeit far from perfect, gets the job done better (for many projects) than other options from multibillion dollar companies with hundreds of programmers, QC staff (what do they do all day?), and tech support (good luck ever getting a decent answer- or an answer at all). RR rates at the top in my opinion in terms of a workable solution, and even higher because of the tireless job so many of the expert developers do supporting people on this list and with their many freely downloadable example stacks to help us newbies find the trail. So here's a newbie saying a big hooray and smilie for RR, Heather, and all the great people on this list. H O O R A Y !!! : ) -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: How Else to Interact with Browser (was Re: Revolution Web Browser Plugin)
Since I've made as much noise about this over the years as anyone, I figured I'd better not bypass this chance to provide what I hope is clear input on the subject. For me -- and this may well be overly simplistic -- there are three kinds of applications: desktop apps, browser apps and client-server apps. Rev is outstanding at the first, more than adequate (even excellent in some cases) at the third, and not much help at all with the second. I'm talking here about full-blown applications that are delivered to and run nearly completely inside the Web browser environment. Examples include writely, dabbleDB, JotSpot, BaseCamp, and others. The key idea -- for me, at least -- is that the software uses the admittedly confining presentation space of the browser window as enhanced by the poorly named AJAX technology set and requires the user to download nothing. Those are the kinds of apps in which I am presently interested, which is why my level of activity with Rev has dropped off considerably in the past few months. Now, I'm not at all sure it's either necessary or appropriate for Rev to try to wedge its technology base into that space which is now largely dominated by JavaScript but which also includes examples of other scripting and programming languages such as Ruby, Python and Smalltalk. I am decidedly NOT interested in any app solution that requires my end user to download a plug-in or anything else. Flash is a terribly interesting DELIVERY platform for this class of apps but the development tools for creating such apps suck big time. There is clearly an opportunity here for a way to build an app in Rev and then compile it to Flash and deliver it entirely via the browser. Similarly, there is a great opportunity for doing the same thing and producing AJAX output. This is the direction taken by tools like Laszlo and Flex, which essentially use JavaScript and XML as their linguistic platforms. That's my $0.06 (inflation taken into account along with the length of my response). :-) On 11/3/06, Lynn Fredricks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WHAT ELSE? What other options are there? Id like to frame this question also within the bounds of use - if you suggest something, is there a practical use you can think of? Before diving into the Roadster model, I ask that you go back and read discussion on the list. I have a very strong opinion about this since I was directly involved in the last rev of the Roadster plugin for SuperCard. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks Worldwide Business Operations Runtime Revolution, Ltd -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Quicktime Multimedia Authoring - Nearly Dead?
Same issue for me, Bill. But I think the Palm Treo folks need to pony up on this one and support the clearly winning standard Flash stuff soon. It's clearly feasible; the Sony Clie folks have done it. ( http://www.adobe.com/devnet/mobile/articles/sony_clie.html). On 10/25/06, Bill Marriott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unfortunately, Flash is not available for Palm OS, so all those video sites are unavailable to me when the closest PC is my Treo 700p. My phone handles QuickTime, MPEG and AVI/WMV just great. I still get a kick using Orb to tune into my Windows Media Center PC at home and watch live digital cable TV from anywhere. And of course, Flash is not natively supported in Rev. The altBrowser plugin is great... but on Windows, I don't think you can eliminate the border around embedded web pages. So that precludes a more integrated look-and-feel where you could incorporate tiny Flash movies as buttons, etc. Dan Shafer wrote It appears that most of the popular public video sites are using Flash movie format. I find this interesting. When I visit a site that doesn't use Flash, my Web browser (Firefox on Mac) often has trouble displaying the movies. But those that use Flash play perfectly every time. Maybe that's the reason. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Quicktime Multimedia Authoring - Nearly Dead?
It appears that most of the popular public video sites are using Flash movie format. I find this interesting. When I visit a site that doesn't use Flash, my Web browser (Firefox on Mac) often has trouble displaying the movies. But those that use Flash play perfectly every time. Maybe that's the reason. Dan On 10/24/06, Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David- Tuesday, October 24, 2006, 3:07:33 PM, you wrote: Which is why I'd look at what this tie up means in terms of the future of QuickTime. First it means SMIL is dead. That is because podcasts and iPod are not built on SMIL - so use it for now but don't expect the standard to evolve. Then look at iPod friendly podcast formats and tools - ie enhancing audio podcasts with images and chapters. I'm not sure about Google, but if I were to bet between QuickTime and Google Video + Youtube - I'd put my money with Google long term. That is Apple Interesting re SMIL. Looking ahead, I'd say you're probably right. And Youtube uses flash video as its display channel. They come out as flv video files, so that's apparently where Google is heading re video. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: AVI versus MOV in standalones - Apple Quicktime regulations
I've been studying this question as well for some time and I keep coming to different conclusions depending on which multimedia guru I've consulted most recently. :-) The most recent input I got said, Why don't you just encode in mp3 and let the system figure out what's the best app for displaying your movie, thus avoiding all the proprietary garbage? Since I didn't have an answer to that one, and since the guy who asked it isn't someone I know other than by rep, I just sort of punted. But now that the question is on the table, can someone here who knows this stuff answer that question? On 10/23/06, Bill Marriott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve, Can all of this be avoided, including the necessity of including the Quicktime installer, by making the Windows version of the standalones using AVI format? Do all Windows computers come with AVI reading capabilities preinstalled? Would there be any drawback to using AVI rather than MOV format? Thanks. This are great questions. All Windows computers come with the ability to play AVI files (at least, outside of Rev). This article lists the default codecs installed: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/899113 Windows Media player will automatically download [certain supported] codecs as required, but I don't think embedded AVIs (in Rev stacks) have this ability. I don't think there's any drawback to using AVI on Windows except for the extra coding involved. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Multimedia Authoring - Quicktime Dead?
Greg, What specific kinds of improvements or changes were you looking for in QT that you didn't find but managed to locate in Flash? I'm curious because I'm going to go through this same process soon and want to be sure to pick the right tool as well. More and more video content on the Web seems to be defaulting to Windows Movie format which is problematic at best and useless at worst on my Mac. But places like YouTube have video that plays just fine in all of the browsers I ever try to run on Mac or that other platform. Did you look at MovieWorks? That used to be a very powerful QT authoring tool/environment but I don't know how/if they've kept up either. But it's only $80 and seems to do a lot of what the multimedia authors I know want to do. No scripting, though. :-( Ironic that as we move toward more ubiquitous demand for video, QT starts to fade, if indeed it is. Dan On 10/19/06, GregSmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In my quest for finding the ultimate multimedia authoring tool, I've come to the tentative conclusion that QuickTime, (as far as an authoring platform is concerned), is falling so far behind that it could soon be considered dead. Apple, the very folks who should be promoting solutions for interactive QuickTime haven't done anything, themselves, for years. The two applications that I find to be the most advanced QuickTime authoring solutions, (LiveStage and VideoClix), haven't done anything to make their packages attractive to new authors, not in years, either. Visiting the LiveStage website reveals that they are now focusing on being content providers, themselves, rather than offering an authoring solution for others. When emailing the VideoClix people for some technical answers, I get no response at all. So, it looks to me like Flash authoring, for the present, is the only viable, practical and timely solution for the kind of interactive authoring I need to perform. Also, for the Mac, there is only one thorough solution. And, though I hate supporting these corporate monsters, I went ahead and purchased the Macromedia Authoring Studio, for the total lack of finding anything comparable elsewhere, at any price. Very sad. Greg Smith -- -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Multimedia Authoring - Quicktime Dead?
Sounds like a real opportunity for an Open Source project to compete, doesn't it? H Presumably you've talked to the MW guys about your drop-shadow problem? The guy who founded the company and who, last I checked, was CEO, is someone I know reasonably well. I can probably get his attention if that would help. (I'm not sure you're right about the need to include the player, by the way. I think you can export your titles to MP4, e.g., and then they'll play in any QT/Real or presumably other MP4 player, no? Flash stuff is way cool. The only problem I ever saw with it (other than cost, as you say) was that it allowed the creation of real crap, but then that's not the tool's fault, really. :-) On 10/19/06, GregSmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dan: I own MovieWorks, and, as far as developing anything purely QuickTime in nature, this is the best value with the best functionality I've found anywhere. I can't use it for the most insignificant reason: I cannot control the drop shadow on the text I create internally. I need it to be very dark, and MovieWorks defaults, with no options, to a medium gray. For the training I'm currently working on, I've got to have a darker shadow, or the text is not readable on the already, unchangeable medium gray background. The only other drawback that I can see is the need to include their freely distributable, cross-platform player with every interactive movie you create. One more thing for the user to have trepidation about. The really good news is that the MovieWorks developers are working on a Pro version for release in the spring that includes an e-commerce, in-application, purchasing solution. I'll bite when that comes along. Flash offers stuff that no other environment offers: players already installed on 98% of newer machines, complete control over vector graphic animations, unparalleled bitmap animation support . . . and here's the big one for me . . . assisted scripting. This is the greatest programming educational tool I've found because it literally lets you see, line by line, what each line of code does by visually demonstrating the results, graphically. It makes sure that you enter your code in the proper syntax, as well. For anyone, this kind of coding assistance is invaluable. The other benefit that helped me decide was a very large pool of tutorial information for specific application examples. But, all these positive things said, it's still way too expensive for what it does. I'm totally surprised that, as of this late date, no Mac killer multimedia application has been invented to pose a serious threat to this monopoly. Greg Smith Dan Shafer-2 wrote: Greg, What specific kinds of improvements or changes were you looking for in QT that you didn't find but managed to locate in Flash? I'm curious because I'm going to go through this same process soon and want to be sure to pick the right tool as well. More and more video content on the Web seems to be defaulting to Windows Movie format which is problematic at best and useless at worst on my Mac. But places like YouTube have video that plays just fine in all of the browsers I ever try to run on Mac or that other platform. Did you look at MovieWorks? That used to be a very powerful QT authoring tool/environment but I don't know how/if they've kept up either. But it's only $80 and seems to do a lot of what the multimedia authors I know want to do. No scripting, though. :-( Ironic that as we move toward more ubiquitous demand for video, QT starts to fade, if indeed it is. Dan On 10/19/06, GregSmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In my quest for finding the ultimate multimedia authoring tool, I've come to the tentative conclusion that QuickTime, (as far as an authoring platform is concerned), is falling so far behind that it could soon be considered dead. Apple, the very folks who should be promoting solutions for interactive QuickTime haven't done anything, themselves, for years. The two applications that I find to be the most advanced QuickTime authoring solutions, (LiveStage and VideoClix), haven't done anything to make their packages attractive to new authors, not in years, either. Visiting the LiveStage website reveals that they are now focusing on being content providers, themselves, rather than offering an authoring solution for others. When emailing the VideoClix people for some technical answers, I get no response at all. So, it looks to me like Flash authoring, for the present, is the only viable, practical and timely solution for the kind of interactive authoring I need to perform. Also, for the Mac, there is only one thorough solution. And, though I hate supporting these corporate monsters, I went ahead and purchased the Macromedia Authoring Studio, for the total lack of finding anything comparable elsewhere, at any price. Very sad. Greg Smith -- -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information
Re: Quicktime Multimedia Authoring - Nearly Dead?
FWIW, I think QT is and has been for many years Apple's greatest single technology. I might now say it's tied with the iPod. :-D Dan On 10/19/06, Stephen Barncard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm friends with the VP of Quicktime at Apple. If someone can gather all the complaints and needs in one document point-by-point, I can make sure he's aware of your concerns and can perhaps tell us what's in the future for Quicktime without blowing an NDA. He also might be aware of some new QT based authoring products in the pipeline. Glenn was VERY bullish about and proud of the product, and I'd expect he's have a really good answer. It's worth a try. He was concerned and disappointed when he found Realaudio files on my sites! sqb However, it should be noted you are speaking from a Windows perspective. In my quest for finding the ultimate multimedia authoring tool, I've come to the tentative conclusion that QuickTime, (as far as an authoring platform is concerned), is falling so far behind that it could soon be considered dead. Apple, the very folks who should be promoting solutions for interactive QuickTime haven't done anything, themselves, for years. -- stephen barncard s a n f r a n c i s c o - - - - - - - - - - - - ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- stephen barncard s a n f r a n c i s c o - - - - - - - - - - - - ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Comparison of Multimedia
I haven't used this product in some time and I'm not recommending it but it might be worth evaluation by some of the folks who are interested in doing multimedia work for which Rev is either overkill or not suited. MovieWorks; http://www.movieworks.com I know a couple of folks who swear by it for creating interactive multimedia and it has a decent price tag. IIRC, the docs are good and there are strong tutorials. I know it's in use by a number of schools. -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Simple Wrapper App for Video Training Distribution and Sale
I don't know but I suspect you're right. Rev Media's not made for industrial-strength apps and excludes stuff that may be useful in such situations. I'm not up to speed on the particulars, though. On 10/8/06, GregSmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dan: One thing I noticed: the Studio version of Revolution seems to be the only one that allows you to protect your distributable stacks from modification. Theoretically, if the stack was authored using Revolution Media, even if it made use of Kagi's KRM module, someone could simply extract the video content from the stack and re-distribute it, right? Leaving me to think I would need to use Studio for creating this simple kind of video distribution and sale program. Thanks, Greg Smith -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Simple-%22Wrapper%22-App-for-Video-Training-Distribution-and-Sale-tf2405089.html#a6705171 Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Simple Wrapper App for Video Training Distribution and Sale
There's nothing particularly tricky about what you want to do. Depending on your level of skill with Transcript it's either fallling-down easy or very achievable. :-) No clue on the Kagi plug-in. On 10/8/06, Your Name [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- Having discovered Kagi's wonderful KRM service for unlocking an applications' full functionality, immediately while launching the program, (great for impulse purchases), I was wondering how simple or complicated putting together a simple wrapper type program for dispensing training videos would be. I'm a total novice regarding programming, and am curious whether this is a task a novice could complete, un-aided, using Revolution Studio. (I think I would need Studio in order to offer cross-platform training). Are there any tutorials that would give a good taste of how much knowledge would be necessary to have assimilated to author this kind of application? Does anyone know, for sure, when the plug-in from Kagi's KRM to a Revolution application will be complete? Thanks, Greg Smith ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] smalltalk video
The Smalltalk world,where i'm modestly active, has a number of interesting things going on these days including a brilliant new project called Sophie for multi-media book thingies (pardon the jargon :-) ). It also features what I suspect is the largest non-Java set of available llibraries, classes, doodads and plugins of any popularly accessible programming language, including Ruby (at least for now) and possibly excepting JavaScript (if you consider it popularly accessible, which I do). There are lots of Smalltalks available, too. A new product called Strongtalk is emerging as the new fair-haired entry because of its speed but it's pretty new and untested. Lots and lots of folks still doing Smalltalk, though the crowd seems to remain largely confined to educators and those exploring multimedia, 3D, etc. It's a surprisingly resilient crowd given the passage of more than three decades since its inception. On 10/5/06, Luis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Squeakland (was Etoys) based on Squeak, is a really cool tool for kids to learn with: http://www.squeakland.org/ And there's Alice too www.alice.org (although it looks like they're moving from Squeak to Java). Let's not forget Open Croquet: www.opencroquet.org Cheers, Luis. Thomas McCarthy wrote: This is, uhmancient. And yet, it looks very useable even now. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4365247885921962429q=environmenthl=en ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Delivering Cross-Platform Solutions (was RE: [OT] - REALBasic Claims 100K Users)
Lynn, Completely agree. (Wow, with Judy agreeing with ME and me agreeing with YOU, this place is starting to become all too agreeable, isn't it? g,r,d) There are so many pros and cons of every development tool and language on the planet that I've always maintained it comes down to two issues most of the time: (1) what are you comfortable with (i.e., used to using); and (2) personal taste when it's time to add a new tool to your kit. I'm an object thinker and coder. I love Smalltalk. Given a choice between Transcript and RB, you'd think I'd opt for RB every time. Nope. I've tried it several times and although its OO is pretty well implemented, the rest of the language syntax is, for me, too cumbersome and Java-like. Transcript, OTOH, is intuitive and well-designed. Do I wish I could do OO in Transcript? You bet. But the rapid part of RAD is important to me and RB ain't that rapid, at least in my hands. On 10/5/06, Lynn Fredricks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If your affirmed goal is to learn object-oriented BASIC, Revolution isnt going to be the tool for you. If you need to deliver a solution into that space, well, that's where the discussion gets interesting :-) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
[OT] - REALBasic Claims 100K Users
In a press release http://www.macmegasite.com/node/3201 today, REALBasic indicated its product now produces Universal Binaries, but I found it more intriguing that they claim 100,000 users of their product. I can't believe that's a real number but if it is, they have clearly been doing a lot of growing in the past 12-18 months, probably at the expense of VB which has driven its users away in droves with its stupid take .NET or go away approach. That would also mean they are *considerably* larger than I suspect RunRev is (though RunRev, like most companies, doesn't reveal installed-base numbers). -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] - REALBasic Claims 100K Users
This thread made me ask myself the question, What constitutes a user of a development tool? I used to think it would be dishonest to count everyone who had ever downloaded (and perhaps paid for?) any version of the tool. After all, I've downloaded (and even paid for) quite a number of development tools over the years of which I could no longer be considered a user (and many for which that was never, strictly speaking, true). Then I thought the focus should be on active users, which I would (arbitrarily) define as anyone who had downloaded (and perhaps paid for?) the latest update to the tool. That would weed out folks who had been users at one point but were no longer seriously using the tool. But witness the RunRev situation with 2.7.x vs. 2.6.1. I'd consider myself a fairly active user of Revolution but I don't use 2.7.x at all yet, though I have downloaded it. I imagine there are lots of RB developers who haven't upgraded in some time because they don't see a need for the new features and are quite satisfied with the older version in which they maintain applications for themselves or clients. My conclusion, for my purposes only, is that only active users should be counted but that determining that number is all but impossible, so, at the end of the day, installed base isn't a useful piece of information. Instead, I'll measure the popularity of a development tool based on such issues as how many books, web sites, articles, and tutorials are available; how large and active and helpful the user community is; how much free or nearly free code can you obtain for it. By that measure, RB is vastly more popular than RunRev. It has four books published, quite a few magazine articles and a healthy number of Web sites devoted to teaching it and providing sample and reusable code (classes) for it. Of course, popularity is just one factor to take into account when choosing a development tool. And it may not be a very important one in most situations. -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] - REALBasic Claims 100K Users
Andre. Threads we need. Nested arrays we can simulate. :-) Dan On 10/4/06, Andre Garzia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now my only wish for Rev is NESTED ARRAYS AND THREADS! Sorry for the all caps, I get emotional over this topics... :-) Andre -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution, MySQL vs FileMaker
Bill, As someone who has in fact used FileMaker to create a full-blown application (though not of the standalone variety) on several occasions, I can attest to at least much of what you say. My experience is all FMPro 5.5 and earlier, so it is seriously outdated, but I always found FM to be really great up to a point and then really difficult or impossible to get beyond some wall or another. Deployment was always an issue for me even though I did spend a LOT of time trying to understand and use the Web deployment approach. I ended up contracting with an outfit that hosted FM solutions on their servers and that not only cost way more than I thought it should, it was complex as all get-out. It was nice to read a clearly knowledgeable update of the FM situation vis a vis building database apps in FM vs. Rev. I appreciate the time you took to create such a detailed and helpful response. Dan ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution, MySQL vs FileMaker
Javier, Keep in mind that MySQL is not free for commercial applications and that the licensing involved is at least confusing (at least it was to me and I have a law degree!). That said, the Rev solution can look any number of ways. Perhaps the most common usage is to design a Revolution desktop application that accesses the database on the server directly. There's no inherent need for a Rev stack on the server (though you can go that route and use CGI if you like; I don't recommend that because Rev CGIs are not multi-threaded and therefore not as useful for apps that need to scale). Another approach is to create the server-side app as a MySQL or PostgreSQL (which IS free) database interfaced by PHP scripts running on the server, then write your Rev client-side application to interact with the PHP rather than with the SQL database directly. Many people who use this approach say it's more stable and faster than direct interaciton with the database but that situation may have improved enough recently not to be an issue. In any case, speaking as a former FM developer and consultant, the *cost* and *performance* of deploying a solution as a Rev app rather than a FileMaker app will prove significant improvements. I wouldn't hesitate to switch if I were you, particularly if the application is intended to be around for some time and maintained. On 9/26/06, Javier Miranda V. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While not trying to initiate a war , I would like to know if the process of migrating from FileMaker to a Revolution/MySQL will compensate the effort. Here is situation: I'm in the final stages of building an Application for Document Management using FileMaker, it works fine, presenting a very polished interface and variety of options but The cost for the client would be to high considering the price of the solution itself plus a copy of Filemaker Server (7, 8 or 8.5) and a copy of FileMaker for every user in the LAN! I understand that the functionality of a server/client can be accomplished using the Revolution/MySQL pair Installing MySQL in the Server along with the Revolution Stack, then installing client Stack in the users machines. Is this true? Is this the real configuration of the a server/client solution? Are there any other considerations/ software needed? I'm missing something? Or I'm totally wrong? Sorry for my ignorance, I'm sure you RevPeople will help. Saludos, Javier Miranda V. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: about Galaxy
I think -- but I'm not 100% certain -- that the command key problem is not unique to Rev. That or my system is really hosed. I see cmd-C and cmd-V problems in Mail, Safari and Firefox from time to time. Restarting my system always fixes the problem. On 9/26/06, Pierre Sahores [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No troubbles at all there with cmd - c, cmd - v with any versions of Rev, as long as i don't try to copy and paste a script sample out of the documentation stacks. Best Regards, Hi, I can't say anything about Galaxy as I don't use it yet, but I must say that I never noticed any problem with cmd - v since I bought runRev (it was v 2.6.1). On my Mac OS X 10.4.7, I just maid some new trials with runRev v2.7.4: cmd - v regularly works well, with text in flds, objects, and text in script editor as well. Best regards from Grenoble André -- Pierre Sahores www.sahores-conseil.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: about Galaxy
It feels to me like this discussion has tended to drift into an either-or when I think both-and is perhaps a more realistic and useful viewpoint. Rev should indeed have a usable, as-bug-free-as-possible IDE out of the box. And the out-of-the-box experience needs dramatic improvement. But there are numerous styles of development being used. It is all but impossible to expect that all or even most Rev users would find any IDE suitable across the board. The multi-palette, separated-tool approach taken by RR is one that most VB programmers can identify with. The single-window, tabbed approach not only to scripting but to property editing and other work that Daniels Mara takes is vastly preferable to folks who llike an integrated IDE (which includes a lot of the Big Player Tools for other languages, such as Eclipse and Visual Studio [depending on settings as I understand it]). I really prefer Galaxy. But my experiences with Rev 2.7.x on OS X have been...shall we say...a bit adventuresome for my taste. So I couldn't even use Galaxy until Jerry's recent release for 2.6.1, which is where I still do all my development work as I test and monitor the 2.7 base. Bottom line: there is no bottom line. Choice and diversity are good things. I don't see a need to create an either-or situation. But maybe that's just me being mellow for a change. :-) On 9/25/06, Jerry Daniels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dar, I'm having fun, so we got that part working. The chocolate and the money must have been sent by USP, but they'll get here, too! I think you're right...diversity is good for evolution and growth. Best, Jerry Daniels Tool makers for the 21st century http://www.daniels-mara.com On Sep 25, 2006, at 3:13 PM, Dar Scott wrote: On Sep 25, 2006, at 1:57 PM, Josh Mellicker wrote: But, it seems like the Rev user base is too small to justify two teams working on IDEs... I like the idea of competing directions. Encouraging notes, money, and occasional chocolate or books tend to encourage good ideas. Mostly money. I also like the idea of Jerry making Big Bucks and having Lots of Fun, and would hope that the user base is not to small for that. A market is such that it will automatically handle the justification question. Dar ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Printing more than one page
You need just to scroll down on that page farther. The eBook price did change. But the three SmartEBooks on specific topics are $5 each and are clearly listed on that page. On 9/24/06, Adrian Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dan, This is the (same) link I was given that is confusing... http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html It displays a price of $29.95 (not specifically stating whether its and EBook or Printed). Below that Order a Printed Copy but that's the same price $29.95. If that is the correct price for the SmartEBook that's fine too. But I understood it was $5. Investigating further, there is indeed a link at the top of the first paragraph to theSmartEBook where I would expect to find a specific EBook price, but again the price is shown at $29.95 or you can order a printed copy at - $29.95. http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech/tech1_speedthought.html Clicking the SmartEBook link there's more blurb here... http://www.shafermediastore.com/SmartEWhat.html Specifics about what EBook means - but no opportunity to buy. Would appreciate some clarity. Thanks, Adrian On 23 Sep 2006, at 20:14, Dan Shafer wrote: I'll have to go look at the pages again, but I could swear there were links there to the store. Anyway, you can get to all of the downloadable Rev SmartEBooks here: http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ Adrian Williams Design Ltd (trading as Club Type), 44 Mill Lane, Merstham, Redhill, Surrey RH1 3HQ, UK Telephone/Facsimile: 01737 643300 dFax (computer reception): 0870 0515681 International tel/fax (UK)+44 1737 643300 International dFax: (UK)+44 870 0515681 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website: http://www.clubtype.co.uk ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Printing more than one page
Adrian, I'll have to go look at the pages again, but I could swear there were links there to the store. Anyway, you can get to all of the downloadable Rev SmartEBooks here: http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html The top item on the page is the downloadable version of the original book. There's a link there to order the printed version if you prefer. The other books are below that item and available, as has been said, through download only. Dan On 9/22/06, Adrian Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did you buy the SmartEBooklet from Dan in a Bar somewhere? Although there is a link to explain what a SmartEBook is - there is no option to buy! The only book on offer on the website is the printed $29.95 (already ordered). Any thoughts where I can get - - Smart? Adrian On 22 Sep 2006, at 17:15, Luis wrote: Why didn't you go for the Download option?! And the Printing in Revolution is only available as a download... Ok, I know, it's friday... Cheers, Luis. Adrian Williams wrote: Now multiple pages are Printing out, how do I get rid of the text border and scroll bar hilites of the text field from the printed page? BTW: I've ordered Dan's book online - 3 to 4 week delivery in UK! Thanks, Adrian On 22 Sep 2006, at 16:59, Adrian Williams wrote: Thanks to Stephen Barncard and Luis. I can print multiple pages right now - which was the immediate problem. Will take your advice to read the suggested books. Cheers, Adrian On 22 Sep 2006, at 16:11, Luis wrote: Hiya, Well, I bought the 'Printing in Revolution' SmartEBooklet from Dan, for $5. You can get it here: http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html I haven't had a look through it yet as I'm still getting to grips with Rev (still working through Volume 1...). Cheers, Luis. Adrian Williams wrote: Have looked everywhere for a method to print more than ONE page of text. I have a text editor and want to give users the ability to Print more than one page. No terminology or searching for syntax related to multiple pages throws up any answers. Is done by sending more than one card to the Printer? Is it done by Printing a long text field? Neither of these ideas seems to be covered by the documentation or online. Appreciate any help to lift the gloom. Thanks, Adrian Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website: http://www.clubtype.co.uk ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ Adrian Williams Design Ltd (trading as Club Type), 44 Mill Lane, Merstham, Redhill, Surrey RH1 3HQ, UK Telephone/Facsimile: 01737 643300 dFax (computer reception): 0870 0515681 International tel/fax (UK)+44 1737 643300 International dFax: (UK)+44 870 0515681 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website: http://www.clubtype.co.uk ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ Adrian Williams Design Ltd (trading as Club Type), 44 Mill Lane, Merstham, Redhill, Surrey RH1 3HQ, UK Telephone/Facsimile: 01737 643300 dFax (computer reception): 0870 0515681 International tel/fax (UK)+44 1737 643300 International dFax: (UK)+44 870 0515681 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website: http://www.clubtype.co.uk ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution 2.7.4 Released
Every software company on the planet faces the same issue as RR here. What one person considers essential to the product is someone else's bloated feature-itis. I don't use footnotes and end notes much, so if Word left those out, I wouldn't care. But a friend of mine who writes research papers would scream bloody murder. No dev tool lets you do everything. And no dev tool could possibly anticipate every user's interests, preferences or perceived needs. Is animation essential to development work? Depends on the kind of development work you do. I don't use it at all. On the whole, I'm convinced Rev does as good a job as any dev tool maker of providing the essentials for developers and a lot of nice-to-haves besides. If I perceive a need for something they don't include, I'll gladly buy it from some third party. Dan Shafer ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
[OT] - Where the Programming Jobs Appear to Be
EWeek has an article on the top 10 programming languages when measured by job opportunities. The top 5 (no surprises except you might consider JavaScript kind of a stunner): Java has 14,408 opportunities C (all forms, perhaps except C#) - 6,168 C# - 5,111 Perl - 4,810 JavaScript - 4,406 Job openings were culled from online tech job placement service Dice.com, which is as good an indicator as any. Python showed up but with under 1,000 opportunities. Needless to say, Rev isn't there. The encouraging thing is that the article points up to professional coders the need to be multi-lingual and to learn new languages regularly. Which means that I may be wrong when I say that pro coders don't have or take time to learn new tools. -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Good ways to overcomplicate your code and slow down development
While I don't always follow this procedure (partcularly on small, one-off problems), when I'm doing original coding, I frequently write the program in pseudo-code comments and then go back and write uncommented lines of actual executable code between the comments. Perhaps because I'm primarily a writer/user-of-words, I find this approach to design particularly useful. With a fair degree of frequency, I find that simply uncommenting a line or two of pseudo-code produces executable Transcript code. Then I can think for a brief moment at least that Transcript is self-documenting. It isn't, of course, but the illusion is pleasant. Dan ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Good ways to overcomplicate your code and slow down
Interesting, Bob. I just posted a note on my approach to coding in the main thread of this discussion and it's quite similar (identical?) to yours. Since you're an IT Manager, I consider my approach professionally validated! :-) On 9/15/06, Robert Sneidar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually I use comments in a fairly unique way. I pseudocode what I want to do in comments, and then code around the comments so I can keep track of where I am at and what I am trying to accomplish. Removing comments later may make the code more readable, but for code in progress I find I save a LOT more time pseudocoding first so I can concentrate on program flow. I do the actual how do I go about doing this thinking later. I only have the energy to power up one side of my brain at a time. I burned out some circuits a long time ago. Another story. Bob Sneidar IT Manager Logos Management Calvary Chapel CM If anyone else has common timewasters and app bloating techniques, let's hear 'em! Comments. Don't put in comment lines - they only slow down trying to read the actual code. Code, especially xtalk, should be readable by itself. If your code needs comments then it isn't well written. Although I agree with you to some degree, I feel that comments are necessary to identify certain blocks of functionality; not necessarily individual lines, or for certain exceptions for the next programmer, like: ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] - Where the Programming Jobs Appear to Be
Nope. VB was in the top 10, though. On 9/18/06, Chipp Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow! I would have expected VB to have cracked the top 5, though perhaps it's 'rolled into' C#? Interesting... ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Salon.com Article Bemoans Demise of Line Programming (BASIC)
I disagree completely with the assessment of JavaScript here (from Mr. Gaskin). Not only do I think JS is a pretty good language -- maybe even a great one -- and not only does it seem to me to be true that a lot of great productivity enhancers have been done in and to it, but JS pales in comparison with Java as a pure productivity drain. On 9/15/06, Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Richard- Friday, September 15, 2006, 8:31:31 AM, you wrote: I predict that the accident of history that is JavaScript's popularity will one day be recognized as the single biggest productivity loss in computing history. I think it would have some competition from the goto statement. Or when IBM moved the control key from its natural position next to the A key. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: (semi) Solving Issues On Windows
While what you say is probably true, Chipp, none of that obviates Sivikatirswami's main issue that there are so many permutations and combinations of devices and drivers for Windows that debugging or supporting software designed to deal with rich media on that platform is iffy. I have a good friend who's an audio guru and who does a lot of consultling to net radio outlets and the like and he tells me that to this day Windows remains an iffy platform for the reliable deployment of rich media applications that dare stray outside the bounds of Microsoft's own software base. Just FWIW. On 9/15/06, Chipp Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sivikatirswami, You know, the problem may not be Windows, but Apple's implementation of Quicktime on PC's. Chris has mentioned to me there is a very large memory leak in Safari that Apple has known about for a long time, but is reticent to fix (something about how Objective-C multi-threads yada yada). I wouldn't blame MS for a problem with Quicktime. -Chipp ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Salon.com Article Bemoans Demise of Line Programming (BASIC)
I found this piece http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2006/09/14/basic/ on today's Salon.com by David Brin interesting, if a bit misguided. There seem to be some potential implications for Revolution and Transcript but not as a direct replacement for what he's missing. Still, he makes some interesting strategic points. -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Salon.com Article Bemoans Demise of Line Programming (BASIC)
I thought about that but it's not a direct answer to the author's concern. He says line coding allows a beginner to create and trace algorithmic execution and doesn't require use of UI componentry. I think he misses the point a bit with that qualifier, but then that's probably just me. On 9/14/06, Brian Yennie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The article has also been SlashDotted - and at least a couple comments are up about how Hypercard used to be a good beginner tool. One could probably chime in along those lines... ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: RR Forums
I guess this proves that reasonable people can disagree. Or maybe it's just my gray-haired conservatism. I love Wikis for collaboration, but as places for people to share thougths and ideas, they suck unless used by pretty savvy folks and maintained by even more savvy ones. My $0.06 (inflation, you know). On 9/6/06, Sivakatirswami [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Agree: wiki better than forums for where we are now why? 1) more integrated and yet at the same time 2) more flexible. 3) could generate a huge dynamic for collaborative open source projects built on a Rev backbone in a way that is not possible either via mailing lists or forums. But we keep the mailing list! Until such time as the wiki proved it to be no longer required to meet the user requirements -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Float above everything
Are you talking about what happens in the IDE or when the stack is compiled and delivered as an app? On 9/7/06, Hershel Fisch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all I'm trying to create a stack to float everything by hiliting the btn floating above everything but it doesn't stay on top as the property pallet. If I select the stack behind it that one comes up and the top (floating) goes benith everything. Hershel ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: RR Forums
David, I'd agree with a lot of what you say, but I think the solution is to dump the wiki and keep the forums. Wikis are not in common, widespread usage and although I love the little beasties, a lot of folks are just confused by them. Plus, of course, they are apparently a lot easier to spam and deface and therefore require more careful monitoring and maintenance. What RR really needs to do, IMNSHO, is to make the list and the forums essentially functionally equivalent. One should be able to post to the forum via email (which I believe the tool they've chosen supports). Web Crossing, which in my view is the finest cmmunity platform on the planet, makes it possible to maintain exactly equivalent and parallel forums and mailing lists, giving the best of both worlds. It's not that hard. On 9/5/06, David Bovill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Prediction: the RunRev Forum will not be used. The list will continue to be used. The wiki will not be used. The list will be continued to be used. Neither the Forum or the Wiki offer anything compelling over the list. They could have but they do not. The forum is half way between a wiki and the list. The list is integrated with neither. The Rev IDE is integrated with neither. The Forum will dilute the wiki, and the wiki will dilute the Forum. Users will not know where to look for what. The Forum is not integrated with the Wiki. Functionally the whole thing is a mess with all the parts counteracting each other. Still in time - things will get around to being sorted. Either the Forum or the wiki will be dropped. Most likely the wiki - for the wrong reasons. Possibly both - not because these things do not work - but because they are executed badly without an understanding of community and motivational issues. My recommendation? Dump either the Forum or the wiki. I would recommend dumping the Forum. Make sure that whichever one is chosen integrates with the list. Either by changes to the wiki being posted to the list or something better. Next work with the community to ensure that stuff gets published. The solution is not technical it is social. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
[Mostly OT] Tate Talks About Language-Adoption Risks
Famed computer author and software guru Bruce Tate wrote an article for a Webzine about the risks associated with switching programming languages that I thought might have some interest for at lest some members of this list. I posted a note on my blog http://www.danshafer.com/onemind/?q=node/253 last night and hesitated to point to it here. But given that this is a long weekend in the U.S. and likely to be a slow-traffic period for the list, I decided maybe we could handle a bit of an OT thread for a couple of days. Bruce's discussion is about switching from Java to Ruby but some of the points he makes, as I summarize in my blog post, seem relevant to discussions we have from time to time about the seeming difficulty Rev has getting traction in the market. -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [Mostly OT] Tate Talks About Language-Adoption Risks
I think it makes sense to try to find a niche for Rev in which it would excel so well it would compel users of Java and those considering Ruby to take a closer look at it. I don't think Internet apps are the place to do that. As long as Rev is single-threaded, it doesn't hold much promise on the server side of the Internet equation for scalable application deployment, which is why I've started using Python/Plone as my Web app framework. Andre Garzia and I worked hard (me on design and cheerleading, him on coding and testing) to try to create Rev on Rockets as a Web framework but the single threading is an absolute deal killer. Database-driven and database-backed Web apps are the most popular kinds of software being built today according to Bruce and lots of other folks. Certainly those are the kinds of apps I want to build for the foreseeable future. But as I survey the development of desktop apps, I don't see a single niche category where Rev could take a dominant role and get developers to sit up and take notice. I do, however, think that's necessary for Rev to have a chance of much more widespread adoption among existing developers. On 9/2/06, jbv [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: May be am I making a complete mistake, and may be there isn't any way to bridge the gap between Firefox as an open-source project and Rev as a commercial product... but somehow I keep feeling that integration of a Transcript kernel into a browser is an option to consider... JB ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Standalone OS X Apps in 2.7.3 - Default Button Broken
Thanks, Sarah. Now if I can just remember to add that script to the stack scripts of all my apps. Too soon old, too late smart. Dan On 8/31/06, Sarah Reichelt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/1/06, Dan Shafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm probably not searching by the right set of criteria, so there may be a BZ on this but I wanted to confirm this is a known issue. If I create a standalone app for OS X using 2.7.3, the default button comes out looking like the old Classic (OS9) default button rather than the new throbbing blue one. Not to say I wouldn't actually *prefer* the older button, but it's clearly wrong. Is this a known issue? Any fix or workaround or am I forced once again back to 2.6.1 because of stuff RR broke when moving to the 2.7 family? As Ken says, it is a known issue with the plugins folder not being copied over. In fairness to RunRev, I use 2 computers and this only happens on one of them, so I don't know what makes it fail. Anyway, I recently posted a script for OS X that you can use to automate the process yourself, and it has the extra benefit of using touch to make the custom icon appear in a newly created standalone. http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2006-August/086297.html Cheers, Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Standalone OS X Apps in 2.7.3 - Default Button Broken
I'm probably not searching by the right set of criteria, so there may be a BZ on this but I wanted to confirm this is a known issue. If I create a standalone app for OS X using 2.7.3, the default button comes out looking like the old Classic (OS9) default button rather than the new throbbing blue one. Not to say I wouldn't actually *prefer* the older button, but it's clearly wrong. Is this a known issue? Any fix or workaround or am I forced once again back to 2.6.1 because of stuff RR broke when moving to the 2.7 family? -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Standalone OS X Apps in 2.7.3 - Default Button Broken
Thanks, Ken. I knew there was an answer. Three dot-revs into 2.7 and we still have these kinds of rough edges? Hm On 8/31/06, Ken Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8/31/06 4:40 PM, Dan Shafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm probably not searching by the right set of criteria, so there may be a BZ on this but I wanted to confirm this is a known issue. If I create a standalone app for OS X using 2.7.3, the default button comes out looking like the old Classic (OS9) default button rather than the new throbbing blue one. Not to say I wouldn't actually *prefer* the older button, but it's clearly wrong. Is this a known issue? Any fix or workaround or am I forced once again back to 2.6.1 because of stuff RR broke when moving to the 2.7 family? Nope, you just need to copy the Plugins folder from the Rev bundle (in Contents) into your standalone's bundle. Something I *really hope* will be automated in the next version of Rev... Right now there are too many oh yeah, and don't forget... issues when building standalones with Rev to make it as easy as it should be, IMHO. Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: The passing of Pluto
On 8/24/06, Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dar- Thursday, August 24, 2006, 11:14:53 AM, you wrote: Now, that bugged this boy. I wanted to be excited about astronauts and rockets and such, but somehow that turned it into a PR game. I'm still not used to the renaming of the Giants' ballpark. I wonder how long it will be before we get ATT Pluto or Halliburton Ceres. It is for that reason that this long-time Giants fan and sports blogger refers to the Giants' home as Ringy-Dingy Park. That way, I figure whatever phone company buys whatever other phone company, the name of the park stays consistent and accurate. -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Play One Movie On Top of Another?
Just a guess, but I don't think you can do what you want because of transparency issues. You can't put buttons on top of QT movies (or at least you couldn't in the last version of Rev I tried it on). You have to create the QT interraction outside Rev and then play the move in Rev with the famous QTExternals. At least that's what I think is still the state of the art. On 8/24/06, Brian Yennie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A couple of suggestions, although I can't confirm how far they will take you: 1) set the alwaysBuffer of the movies to TRUE -- this is generally required for layering movies with any object(s) 2) If you can't get everything running in one window, perhaps you could consider using multiple windows, with one floating borderless on top of the other HTH, Brian Another one of my ask for the moon queries: ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Connecting 2 stand alone programs.
Actually, it's probably true that the best solution here, Alvaro, is to re-create your application so that menu is the mainstack and programone is a substack. Then you don't have multiple applications to deal with, just separate stacks in a single appllication. That makes it much easier to pass information between the processes. One almost never needs to create multiple stack files, just multiple stacks in a single stack file to create a single standalone. -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Line numbers in scripteditor?
That's what relying on a creaky memory will do. Sorry. On 8/17/06, Jerry Daniels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Galaxy does not show line numbers. Best, Jerry Daniels Tool makers for the 21st century http://www.daniels-mara.com On Aug 16, 2006, at 10:55 PM, Dan Shafer wrote: Nope. You can: (1) copy-paste and do your script editing in BBEdit on OS X or some other editor on Windows. (2) switch to Galaxy from Daniels-Mara which, if memory serves, does include this ability. On 8/16/06, William de Smet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi there, Is it possible to show line numbers in the scripteditor? If it is I don't know how to show them. greetings, William (from a sunny Holland) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
[OT] Used PowerBook G3 Available for Donation
I have a very old Macintosh PowerBook G3 with the pre-Bronze keyboard on which OS X cannot be installed that I would happily donate to the first educational or non-profit organization to raise its hand and ask for it. I'll even pay shipping within the U.S. But let's not garbage up the list. Email me privately at [EMAIL PROTECTED] First come, first served. Replying here disqualifies you! -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Line numbers in scripteditor?
Nope. You can: (1) copy-paste and do your script editing in BBEdit on OS X or some other editor on Windows. (2) switch to Galaxy from Daniels-Mara which, if memory serves, does include this ability. On 8/16/06, William de Smet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi there, Is it possible to show line numbers in the scripteditor? If it is I don't know how to show them. greetings, William (from a sunny Holland) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: RichText Implementation
Jan... The only official word on future release features at RevCon came from CEO Kevin Miller under non-disclosure. Obviously, we're not at liberty to discuss any of that information here. I can say that there was a lot of scuttlebutt at the show about this very topic and that I will be quite surprised not to see it in some future release. Whether that will come within a year, I can't say and I'm not sure anyone, including Kevin, could say with certainty. But I feel your pain. Lack of rich text formatting has forced me onto another dev platform for one big project and is threatening to do so for another. On 8/11/06, Jan Sælid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi again I received a private mail from a user of this list who told me that someone at RevCon said that revolution 2.8 will offer individual paragraph formatting. Anyone heard anything about this? If it takes too long time I have decided to do it the hard way. The best solution I can think of is using tabs in replacement for margins. I cannot wait another year Jan ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: RichText Implementation
No apologies needed, Jan. No harm done. I had not for a long while been able to understand -- though I admit to not having spent a huge amount of time investigating either -- why RR or someone doesn't incorporate an external that would give us a fully formattable text object. There are a lot of such engines lying around. I can edit rich text in an HTML page, for Heaven's sake! Why can't I get that in a full-blown standalone app development tool? Turns out, as far as I can understand it, that the text engine in RunRev is so deeply interconnected at a fundamental level that any attempt to replace it or modify it is a HUGE undertaking. So I concluded that if rich text formatting of content is important to an app I'm being asked to create, I have two alternatives: (1)use RunRev but do the text formatting using HTML and output the reports/results in HTML for viewing in a browser (including, of course, altBrowser which can be embedded fairly neatly into the app directly); or (2) pick a different tool that has the built-in text editing incorporated. Python, which is my other favorite language, has numerous libraries in support of formatted, rich and other text options, e.g. Another reason why having only one tool in your toolbox isn't a great idea for a serious developer. Python lacks chunking but Transcript lacks rich text control. On 8/11/06, Jan Sælid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dan- I'm really sorry to let this out. I didn't know that is was under non-disclosure. Well, actually, if I had used my mind, buy I guess the news made me no think and only hope for a solution. At least I know I'm not the only one with this problem. That always help a little. I have wished for this feature since 2003, even started a campaign to make people vote for it on bugzilla. But I decided to start building my project anyway, and it's a very big project. I just got an answer from revolution that I should not wait for this feature but do what I need to do... The only rad platform that have this feature is realbasic. But I've tried it several times, and I really don't like it. I grown into rev. I guess I have to take a leap of faith. Because I've done so much work already. Thanks for the answer. Dan wrote: But I feel your pain. Lack of rich text formatting has forced me onto another dev platform for one big project and is threatening to do so for another. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: Is there a more English-like Programming language than Transcript?
As a language junkie I'd say xTalks including Transcript are easily and by far the most English-like programming languages on the planet. Like all languages, it has some constructs that don't come out very English-like but I don't know of any other language that comes close. And, to answer your opening question, Runtime Revolution is trying hard to get us to call the language Revolution. I'm resisting and I suspect lots of other folks are as well. I consider that a silly and ill-advised terminology change. But in their official literature, it's now Revolution which you program in...er...Revolution. On 8/10/06, David Bovill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By the way is Transcript still the official term for Revs programming language? Spent an hour looking for links references and articles on English-like programming languages - looking at the syntax. Found no good links yet. Lots of stuff about COBOL, things about how it was the flavour of the month in the 80's - how good perl is. Here is a nice quote from http://www.whynot.net/ideas/1441: By this, I mean the source file would be something like a text file.. and the interpreter would interpret the english language commands and build a program based on it. The commands for the English Programming Language could be something like this (consider this a raw source file): begin source First, create a window approximately 75% of the screen size. Then, add two menus to the top, one File and one Help. Under the File menu, add Exit. When a user clicks on Exit, the program should exit. Under the help menu, add a simple About option that describes this program. Now create two buttons in the main window (the first one). The first button should say Message, and the second one should say Exit (without the quotes). When a user clicks on Message, a message box should pop up saying Hello, World!. When the user clicks on the Exit button, the program should exit. end source Now that would be more English-like than Transcript, but to date i cannot find anything much more English-like than the syntax of Transcript. There is some AI stuff like - http://www.softwaretheories.com/Examples/index.html(not a good link) - and Ruslan you there - some older links I had for parsers that took XML - there is an MIT project to create a meta language... but no good links I can find - and certainly nothing solid and useable. So the question is this - is Transcipt the best real programming language out there in terms of it's English-likeness! That is the ease in which a non-programmer, or non-speaker of the computer language can understand it? Help, links, rants and gossip appreciated! ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HTML Tag Cleaner Fails
Sorry I ever mentioned I found it bizarre. Nothing we can do about it. It is what it is. I don't use htmlText because it's too limited and limiting. Dan ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HTML Tag Cleaner Fails
That's just freaking bizarre! On 8/7/06, Mark Schonewille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dan, Have you tried this? set the htmlText of fld 1 to foobar/foo Didn't know that foo was a supported tag ;-) Revolution just filters out text surrounded by title tags, because they are not supposed to appear in the body of an html page. Best, Mark -- Economy-x-Talk Consultancy and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Download ErrorLib at http://economy-x-talk.com/developers.html and get full control of error handling in Revolution. Op 7-aug-2006, om 7:53 heeft Dan Shafer het volgende geschreven: The problem is that title isn't a supported HTML tag in Rev's formatted text, so nothing shows. If you change the tag to one of those that is supported (see docs), it works fine. Dan ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Handler or function
Liam If all you're doing with the calculation results is populating a field, then it probably doesn't matter a whit whether you use a function or a handler. The only real difference is that when you call a function, you have to be aware that it's returning a result and that you MUST call it in such a way that the result is dealt with (even if dealt with means throwing it away). Thus if you had a handler called calcPrice and a function called calcPrice, you'd call the handler like this: calcPrice x, y and the function like this: put calcPrice(x,y) into field foo or wherever you want it. (You probably already know this stuff and if so I apologize for wasting your time with something obvious but I often find that assuming isn't useful either.) On 8/6/06, Liam Lambert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all I have am using this handler to calculate different prices for children adults and others The aPrice cPrice and the oPrice are different prices selected from a fld with different prices in it the handler works fine my question is should I this with a function or is there a better way to do this on fCal set the numberFormat to #0.00 -- dollar format put field aPrice into theaPrice -- the selected adult price Put field cPrice into thecPrice -- the selected child price put fld oPrice into theoPrice ---other selected price put field child into theChildNumber --the number of children put field adult into theAdultNumber --the number of adults put fld other into theOtherNumber ---the number of other put (theChildNumber * thecPrice) into field Childprice-- * the number of children by the price put (theAdultNumber * theaPrice) into field Adultprice-- * the number of Adults by the price put (theOtherNumber * theoPrice) into fld Otherprice put field Childprice into theChildprice put field Adultprice into theAdultprice put fld Otherprice into theOtherPrice put theAdultprice + theChildprice + theotherPrice into field Total end fCal Thank's Liam IRELAND [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HTML Tag Cleaner Fails
The problem is that title isn't a supported HTML tag in Rev's formatted text, so nothing shows. If you change the tag to one of those that is supported (see docs), it works fine. Dan On 8/6/06, Sivakatirswami [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think I am missing thing... I thought this used to work # html tag cleaner, simple no brainer style put titleChapter 1: Great Revolution Recipes/title into tHtml set the htmltext of fld title to tHtml I get nothing returned at all, field is empty. ?? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev app to pull data from Amazon
I've done a bit of work in this area but nothing ambitious. But I can answer your other question below. Yes, you do need a developer account. On 8/3/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do I need to get one of the Amazon security-service certificates in order to do this? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: LibURL Error Previous request not completed
I had this problem repeatedly during recent attempts to create an FTP-based app. I found that after receiving that error, I could resubmit the request and almost 100% of the time it would process successfully. On 7/27/06, Mark Schonewille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Right after uploading a dozen of files to my ftp account asynchronically using the libUrlFtpUploadFile command, I can't get a directory listing using the syntax: get url ftp:// name:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/folder/ (note the trailing slash, as I want a listing). Most of the time I receive the error Error Previous request not completed. It appears the GetURL handler in the revLibURL script doesn't let me get the url because the variable lvBlockingUrl is not empty. Although everything has been uploaded/downloaded already, lbBlockingUrl indicates that one or more transfers are still in progress. So, in the GetURL handler, I changed the line which checks whether any url's are currently being handled and added variable to force the handler to run normally: if lvBlockingUrl is empty or lvBlockBypass is true or lvAuthBlockBypass is true or lOverrideBlockingUrls is true then The variable lOverrideBlockingUrls is from me and is set using an additional command. If lOverrideBlockingUrls is true, getUrl still runs as expected. I am not sure that this is a solution, though. Additionally, many repeat loops like these if laLoadReq[tUrlHolder] is empty then repeat until laStatus[tUrlHolder] is not empty if lvJumpOut then exit to top wait for messages end repeat end if in LibURL never finish. Probably, this means the laStatus[tUrlHolder] is always empty or lvJumpOut is always false. First, I would like to know, is this likely to be a bug in the libURL library, or am I doing something wrong? Second, before I start debugging libUrl, is there a simple way to prevent this problem from occurring and did anyone see this problem before? If there is no solution for this problem yet, what would be a good place in the library to start debugging? I need to solve this problem now, so every idea is more than welcome. I'm using Rev 2.7.2 on Mac OS X 10.4.7. Best, Mark -- Economy-x-Talk Consultancy and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Download ErrorLib at http://economy-x-talk.com/developers.html and get full control of error handling in Revolution. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Error uploading file in Windows: this looks like a bug, please confirm...
I have an FTP file manager app that uploads files via WinXP. The app is written in Rev. It seems to work just fine except with one or two file types. Not sure what's going on with them, but maybe that's the problem? Have you tried multiple files types? On 7/22/06, Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ton- Friday, July 21, 2006, 11:45:18 PM, you wrote: Thanks for the quick response, but to bad... There are no spaces in the username or password and I have full access to the server. Using put (ftp://;) user:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/wwwroot/ Schedule.html into url vURL now creates an empty file in the correct location, but no data is in it. Also creating the file locally and then uploading it to the ftp server doesn't work, creating the file in the root directory of the FTP server and then moving it to the correct location creates an empty file as well... Can anyone reproduce this on Windows? On the Mac it works fine... I just tried it again to make sure, and it does indeed work fine for me on win2k. What are you using for an ftp server? You mention that you have full access to the server, but are the ftp user permissions set that way as well? What is the ftp user's home directory set to? Are you sure there's actual data in variable vHTML? -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Error uploading file in Windows: this looks like a bug, please confirm...
No, the problem I had was specifically with a cross-platform file format used by eFax. Those files refuse to upload or download correctly in Windows. That's the only repeatable exception I've found. Dan On 7/23/06, Chipp Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dan, Do you mean it doesn't work with Mac files on a PC? If so, it could be .bundle filetypes as these are actually folders, not files (go figure). Also, MagicCarpet is a FTP client which to my knowledge has no difficulty uploading any filetypes from Mac or PC-- with the exception of .bundle's and .app's and any other 'file' which is a 'folder.' ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: There Was a Problem Saving the Standalone Application
Well, I got the application to compile successfully. I don't know which of two problems was getting in the way but I'm going to do more testing. I renamed the stack with a .rev extension and I opened the stack in 2.7.2, saved it in legacy format and then opened it and compiled it in 2.6.1 That did the trick. Thanks to everyone who offered ideas. I'm going to augment that section of my forthcoming eBook with these ideas! On 7/20/06, Dan Shafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nope, no password protected stacks. I'm going to go through the suggestions one by one and eliminate them until I get this sucker wrestled to the ground. The project's three days late even though I finished it on time. Very, very frustrating. On 7/20/06, Phil Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Dan, do you have any password-protected stacks in the mix? I have a nagging feeling about it, but haven't tested it recently. Phil Davis ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: There Was a Problem Saving the Standalone Application
Chipp.. Thanks. I can't find that in the docs. Needless to say, it'll be prominently mentioned in a certain forthcoming ebook. Sheesh. That's just stupidly unnecessary. File extensions are so last century. :-) On 7/22/06, Chipp Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's known files w/out .rev extensions won't compile. FYI ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: xTalk Legal Status (was: [ANN] www.krugle.com --- xtalk not a real language)
IIRC, HyperTalk syntax was not copyrighted. I have a vague recollection of asking Bill A that question at one point and I think that was his answer. There are no copyright notices anywhere that pertain to xTalk syntax that I've been able to find. I know the guys at Spinnaker (and their successor, Format Software GmbH) did not pay Apple or anyone else royalties for use of the language syntax. Doesn't mean Apple couldn't have asked or required it, though. On 7/22/06, Bill Marriott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Honest question: Can anyone say what the legal status of our favorite language is? HyperTalk was released by Apple, then there were a bunch of clones -- are the keywords, structures, syntax, etc., protected by patent and/or copyright? Does Revolution pay a royalty to Apple? Can anyone make a compiler/interpreter that speaks HyperTalk and/or TranScript and/or Revolution? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] xTalk Legal Status
Mark... Are you sure? Copyrighting language syntax is pretty tricky stuff and I'm not at all sure that ANY of those *languages* was ever so protected or is now. I'm not saying you're wrong, just wondering what your source of such certainty is. On 7/22/06, Mark Schonewille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, the concept or idea of an xTalk language is not proprietary. The Transcript, Metatalk, Supertalk, HyperTalk and other languages are definitely copyrighted. Best, Mark -- Economy-x-Talk Consultancy and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Download ErrorLib at http://economy-x-talk.com/developers.html and get full control of error handling in Revolution. Op 22-jul-2006, om 19:43 heeft Garrett Hylltun het volgende geschreven: On Jul 22, 2006, at 6:06 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote: So the compiler and ide are copyrighted, but the xTalk language itself is not copyrighted? -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] xTalk Legal Status
Mark... I think your summary is correct. Dan On 7/22/06, Mark Schonewille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Dan, If you interprete me saying that the languages themselves are copyrighted, then I am probably wrong, but you really can't reverse engineer Apple's HyperTalk engine or SuperCard's compiler, not to mention Revolution's. If you want to be really sure, though, read the licenses and take copyright laws into account. Best, Mark P.S. This is my last post regarding this subject, as I feel this is off-topic and I am not an expert in copyright issues. -- Economy-x-Talk Consultancy and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Download ErrorLib at http://economy-x-talk.com/developers.html and get full control of error handling in Revolution. Op 22-jul-2006, om 20:13 heeft Dan Shafer het volgende geschreven: Mark... Are you sure? Copyrighting language syntax is pretty tricky stuff and I'm not at all sure that ANY of those *languages* was ever so protected or is now. I'm not saying you're wrong, just wondering what your source of such certainty is. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: There Was a Problem Saving the Standalone Application
Jacque Thanks for the explanation. Sounds like a pretty kludgy design to me but I can live with it as long as I know it's there. Of course file extensions aren't required or customary on OS X. That's why I said the idea was so last-century! :-) On 7/22/06, J. Landman Gay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dan Shafer wrote: Chipp.. Thanks. I can't find that in the docs. Needless to say, it'll be prominently mentioned in a certain forthcoming ebook. Sheesh. That's just stupidly unnecessary. File extensions are so last century. To be fair, the reason isn't because we are supposed to use file extensions. It's because of naming conflicts. When the standalone builder does its thing, it makes a copy of the mainstack and names it the same name as the original, removing any existing extension first. If the original has no extension to begin with, the stack and the standalone will have the same name. The OS won't let you do that, so the build fails. Adding an extension -- anything, doesn't have to be .rev -- allows the original stack to retain a different name than the new standalone. This is only an issue on Macs, really. Windows files almost always have extensions already. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] xTalk Legal Status
This is so off-topic I'm loath to respond but given that I have formal training in intellectual property law, I can't resist. Sorry. Feel free to ignore me. While you are basically right, Jacque, the issue isn't as easy as it seems. In part, that's because you're mixing patent and copyright language. Copyright always only applies to a specific work. That work is not strictly speaking an implementation of an idea. That is an accurate description of one factor involved in determining patentability. But the real problem is that it is difficult to address the question of the definition of implementation. Does the implementation of the clearly unprotectible idea of an xTalk language consist of the *vocabulary* (i.e., syntax) or the underlying code that makes that syntax behave in a specific way? This issue has rattled around the IP world for a couple of decades at least. Back in the 1970's when I was in the Marketing Communications department at Intel, the company tried to copyright the instruction set for the 8080 microprocessor specifically to prevent AMD from creating an instruction-set compatible chip. It was unable to do so. So I draw the (tentative) conclusion (with no research into recent case law and a big caveat that I'm not a practicing attorney, just a law-trained layman) that the xTalk *language* would not be subject to copyright but the underlying programming code that makes that instrction set work would be. Thus I can write an xTalk that is command-for-command identical with Transcript as long as I use different code, algorithms, language, etc., underneath it all. That, at least, is how I see it. And we've probably now narrowed the number of people who actually give a shit to about 2. On 7/22/06, J. Landman Gay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Richmond Mathewson wrote: This needs a much more detailed explanation as what is and what is not free/copyright/otherwise. It isn't that hard to understand. You can copyright your implementation of something but you can't copyright an idea. The idea of an xtalk language is not copyrightable. Apple's implementation of it in HyperTalk is. Runtime's implementation of in Transcript is. Scott Raney did not consult Apple when building MetaTalk; he wrote all the code from scratch using the ideas that Apple formulated in HyperCard. That is perfectly legal, and now Scott's implementation is copyrighted (and currently owned by Runtime.) If you write a story, the story is copyrighted. The idea the story tells is not. I can write the same story in my own words, and my copy is copyrighted too. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Error uploading file in Windows
Yeah, my problem was with the file: and binfile: protocols, but merely shifting the approach as Chipp describes it here fixed the problem on OS X. No test yet on WIndows because I still can't get the [EMAIL PROTECTED]@ program to compile. Grrr On 7/21/06, Chipp Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ton, FWIW, I always do it this way: put user:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/wwwroot/Schedule.html into vURL put vHTML into url (ftp://; vURL) I think Dan Shafer was having a similar problem and this helped. best, Chipp ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: internal SQL queries
SQL is designed ONLY to query databases. As Mark says, you can use SQLite and the database files it creates are not standard SQL files, but you could not use SQL queries, e.g., on a straight text file with arbitrary delimiters. On 7/21/06, Mark Schonewille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With AltSqlite you can store data in a local file, without database engine etc. Best, Mark -- Economy-x-Talk Consultancy and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Download ErrorLib at http://economy-x-talk.com/developers.html and get full control of error handling in Revolution. Op 21-jul-2006, om 22:01 heeft Viktoras Didziulis het volgende geschreven: Dear group, is it possible to query [tab] delimited data stored in fields or containers within a stack using SQL? e.g. without any external database engine or database files or connections... All the best! Viktoras ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: There Was a Problem Saving the Standalone Application
Thanks for the idea, Viktoras, but this stack uses no external files at all. Hmmm. On 7/19/06, Viktoras Didziulis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not so long ago I have seen the same message. As far as I remember it was when files used by stack were locked by other programs on my Windows box. Closing all the other tools solved the problem. Maybe this is the case ?.. Viktoras ---Original Message--- From: Dan Shafer Date: 07/20/06 01:46:28 To: How to use Revolution Subject: There Was a Problem Saving the Standalone Application Nothing infuriates me more than meaningless error messages from development tools. (OK, OK, there are some things in life and politics that infuriate me more, but they don't count right now!) I'm working on my eBook on building standalones and for the first time in a long time, I cannot get a fairly simple application to create a standalone. I've tried everything I know of and have spent 3 hours on this, so it's time to raise a white flag. The app is a single stack with a single card. It uses libURL to do some FTP stuff. I've set up the standalone settings the way I think they should be. I've tried both explicitly including the Internet library and letting Rev search for the needed libraries. I've tried including and excluding the standard dialogs (which my app doesn't use). I've tried building only for OS X and only for Windows and both at the same time. I've tried building the app under 2.6.1 and 2.7.2. I've confirmed I can build a standalone in 2.6 1and 2.7.2 from another stack with the same basic set of settings. What else can I look for? What could cause this oh-so-helpful error messag? -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: There Was a Problem Saving the Standalone Application
Nope, no password protected stacks. I'm going to go through the suggestions one by one and eliminate them until I get this sucker wrestled to the ground. The project's three days late even though I finished it on time. Very, very frustrating. On 7/20/06, Phil Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Dan, do you have any password-protected stacks in the mix? I have a nagging feeling about it, but haven't tested it recently. Phil Davis ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [ANN] www.krugle.com --- xtalk not a real language
Yep On 7/20/06, Lynn Fredricks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you poke about on the krugle site it is stated that it is devoted to Open Source languages. and, Here, We, Go, Again . . . There is a thread in the support forum for it. If in the next newsletter we set up some sort of automated petition to krugle include Revolution, would you all be willing to participate? Best regards, Lynn Fredricks Worldwide Business Operations Runtime Revolution, Ltd ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
There Was a Problem Saving the Standalone Application
Nothing infuriates me more than meaningless error messages from development tools. (OK, OK, there are some things in life and politics that infuriate me more, but they don't count right now!) I'm working on my eBook on building standalones and for the first time in a long time, I cannot get a fairly simple application to create a standalone. I've tried everything I know of and have spent 3 hours on this, so it's time to raise a white flag. The app is a single stack with a single card. It uses libURL to do some FTP stuff. I've set up the standalone settings the way I think they should be. I've tried both explicitly including the Internet library and letting Rev search for the needed libraries. I've tried including and excluding the standard dialogs (which my app doesn't use). I've tried building only for OS X and only for Windows and both at the same time. I've tried building the app under 2.6.1 and 2.7.2. I've confirmed I can build a standalone in 2.6.1and 2.7.2 from another stack with the same basic set of settings. What else can I look for? What could cause this oh-so-helpful error messag? -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [ANN] RevCon West videos now available
Devin. Wow! You and your team are to be thanked and congratulated. Great quality job. Folks, these videos are badly underpriced. Grab them before Devin regains consciousness. Dan On 7/19/06, Devin Asay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Revolutionaries: Camelot Studios is proud to announce that video recordings of all sessions of the recent RevCon West 2006 conference are now available for purchase. Just point your browser at http://revconvideo.com and click on the Order link. For prices starting at just US$7.95 per session you can learn from the masters of the Revolution developer community. Learn about Cool Things You Can Do With Revolution from Ken Ray. See André Garzia demonstrate his amazing new Revolution tools for rapid deployment of cutting edge Web applications! Hear Runtime Revolution CEO Kevin Miller's overview of the road ahead for your favorite rapid development tool. Watch presentations by Rev gurus Chipp Walters, Dan Shafer, Jerry Daniels, Jacqueline Landman Gay, and many others. Each session was recorded using two high quality digital video cameras and a Sennheiser wireless microphone system for crystal clear sound. You'll be able to see both the speaker and the visuals to get maximum benefit from the presentation. A short sample of clips from some of the presentations is available on the revconvideo.com web site. We hope that these video recordings will help you maximize your productivity as a Revolution developer, or just make your Rev hobby more enjoyable. Best regards, Devin Asay Camelot Studios ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: There Was a Problem Saving the Standalone Application
On 7/19/06, Phil Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shots in the dark: - How long is your filepath to the stack in question? Try putting it on your desktop and building it from there. Tried that. Also shortened the name of the stack file itself. - Does the file have any oddball characters in its name? get rid of 'em. Nope OR - this is probably the route to go if you have time - just wait for the book to come out. :o) Can't wait. Author's way too slow. Sorry... it got away from me. Too much Tom Poston in 60s-70s sitcoms. Phil Davis Dan Shafer wrote: Nothing infuriates me more than meaningless error messages from development tools. (OK, OK, there are some things in life and politics that infuriate me more, but they don't count right now!) I'm working on my eBook on building standalones and for the first time in a long time, I cannot get a fairly simple application to create a standalone. I've tried everything I know of and have spent 3 hours on this, so it's time to raise a white flag. The app is a single stack with a single card. It uses libURL to do some FTP stuff. I've set up the standalone settings the way I think they should be. I've tried both explicitly including the Internet library and letting Rev search for the needed libraries. I've tried including and excluding the standard dialogs (which my app doesn't use). I've tried building only for OS X and only for Windows and both at the same time. I've tried building the app under 2.6.1 and 2.7.2. I've confirmed I can build a standalone in 2.6.1and 2.7.2 from another stack with the same basic set of settings. What else can I look for? What could cause this oh-so-helpful error messag? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: DreamHost In-Depth (was Re: Dreamhost?)
In general, I love Dreamhost. I recommend it. But I will say that when I compare notes with my colleagues who are on other plans (granted, for the most part more expensive plans) their reports of downtime are significantly less than mine. Just check out http://www.dreamhostsupport.com for the past few days and see the kinds of nightmares at least most Dreamhost users have had to put up with. Now i'm well aware of the fact that a lot of this is or seems to be outside the control of the hosting service. But when they have repeated equipment failures and breakdowns, I want to ask: (1) are they investing in quality hardware or cutting corners; (2) are they placing max load on servers in an effort to make their low pricing profitable rather than leaving some margin for error; (3) is their tech staff up to the job of monitoring hardware for potential failures before they happen? I don't know the answers, but those seem to me to be legit questions. I've asked them. I get repeated assurances that they know what they're doing. But even though that seems to be true most of the time, it is questionable often enough to make me a little guarded at the moment about touting them too loudly. On 7/18/06, Mark Talluto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 18, 2006, at 9:27 AM Jul 18, 2006, Bill Marriott wrote: Stephen, As far as upload speed, unless you have a T1 or Frame Relay, you're never going to get more than 300k/second UPLOAD from a residence on even cable! Depends on your cable provider. My Comcast line is 8Mbps down/ 768Kbps up. DreamHost transfers use about 50% of my bandwidth up, about 70% down. My other host saturates the line either direction. I had the same problem with JaguarPC. They could not saturate my cable modem and blamed the problem on me. I tried a another host and found that the bandwidth was there, but the features were not. I ended up going back to JaguarPC and got a semi dedicated line for $30.00/month and now have the features and speed I need. I think that a lot of these sub $10/month plans have hundreds of accounts on the same server and are not able to handle the growing demands. Mark Talluto -- CANELA Software http://www.canelasoftware.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Standalone Builder eBook Input
OK, I'm starting to gather insights, input, comments, questions, puzzles, etc., for my forthcoming new eBook in the ongoing series Software at the Speed of Thought. This volume will cover the ins and outs of building and distributing standalones. If you have any tricks, tips, workarounds, pointers, nagging questions, etc., to offer, please do so. I'll give appropriate credit in the finished book for stuff I use that doesn't originate with me. And no, I have no target date for completion yet. I don't yet know what i'm up against here! -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: RevCon West 06 images now available
Yes, I did finally get it to work. It was a bad network connection on my end. Great stuff. I love it. On 7/17/06, Chipp Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Sandy, Once again, excellent job!! It's always nice to see how well you capture the spirit of the show, and the surroundings as well! Thanks, Chipp ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: DreamHost In-Depth (was Re: Dreamhost?)
Yeah, Dreamhost has run into a spate of reliability issues of late that have me a bit concerned as well. I'm monitoring the situation, but not very happy at the moment. It seems to take them an inordinately long time on occasion to fix things it seems like they should have been prepared for. On 7/17/06, Garrett Hylltun [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 17, 2006, at 7:07 PM, Bill Marriott wrote: [snip] - Everything DreamHost has been down since around 6:30pm Eastern today. My email, my website, even their own home page and control panel. Seems they are no more reliable than my previous provider. :( Looks like I'll be going back to my prior host, ChiHost.com. (I was able to use Rev CGI on ChiHost, no problem.) http://www.pgware.com/ Brief instructions on how I setup rev for cgi on pgware.com hosting: http://forums.runrev.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=308 Been a reliable host for me, low prices, cpanel and much more. -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Words becoming bunched up over each other?
Another time I've seen this is when you have the fixedLineHeight of the field set. I routinely unset that property now and am much happier with field displays in general. On 7/14/06, Sarah Reichelt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone ever encountered words being bunched up on top of each other in a field when using htmltext? I'm displaying a list of words padded with an amount spaces so that each word is equal in length, and then adding a tab after each word, and using a mono spaced font. This does not happen all the time though, only on certain conditions it seems. But I was wondering if anyone else has run into this and has figured out how to keep it from happening. Yes, this happens when a line exceeds the 64K maximum number of characters. Either split the data into multiple lines or store it as is in a custom property and only display sections of it at a time. Cheers, Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Dependence on Programming Experts
The biggest problem with syntactic shortcuts as options is that they bloat the interpreter/compiler and result in slower execution. It's inevitable. No single change of this type is going to be noticeable, but you start down that slippery slope and add a bunch of them and then people will start comlaining the app is too slow. On 7/12/06, John Vokey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A bit late in the debate (but I am at my cottage with at best primitive dial-up): -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Python with Rev and postGreSQL?
John. Chipp Walters and his team have a strong preference for using PHP on the server side and have developed a powerful and stable architecture for using Rev to call PHP commands that return Web pages. I suspect he'll chime in here at some point but that is one of the most tested approaches. Certainly a Python CGi would have a similar result (as would other server-side scripting langauges such as Ruby). On 7/13/06, John Tregea [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Kee, While the database structure is complete, the front end is not, (that is why I am evaluating Rev), I believe python is a good tool to connect to the database, but not sure if it is used by any other Revolutionaries or if anyone can say what has worked well for them? I believe SOAP is used by some as well? -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
