Re: select previous and next clickline

[David Squance]

Ban Nguyen wrote:


Hello

What command do you use to select the previous and next clickline in the
scrolling list field.  Thank you
 

I think what you're looking for is 'word 2 of the clickline'. When you 
evaluate 'the clickline' (eg type 'put the clickline' so that the msg 
box opens and 'the clickline' appears in it), you will see 'line x of 
field y' where x is the line number and y is the field number. Word 2 of 
the click line is the line number, so your mouseup handler would need to 
include a global variable to which word 2 of the clickline is assigned. 
Then the previous button would subtract 1 from that variable and do 
whatever to that line. Similarly, the next button would add 1 to the 
variable.


I'm afraid I've lost your last post, so can't put example lines into 
your script to illustrate, but hope this helps.

Dave
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Re: Suggestion for correcting the IDE's script editor

[David Squance]

I should probably just stay out of this, but a few comments have my 
dander up.  First, distinguish more clearly between bugs and style.  To 
those of you from other backgrounds, x-talk is different. Many of us 
like it this way.  There are more important things for the developers to 
be doing than adding features from other languages to suit a few migrants.


Bob Warren wrote:


In Word, there is no possibility of positioning the cursor at the beginning

 

How you can even think of bringing Word into this discussion is 
amazing.  It's got to be one of the most "let me think for you, you're 
too stupid" programs ever produced.  I'm constantly trying to undo its 
choices.


Much of the discussion reminds me of people who move to a new country 
and constantly bitch about it, until all around them want to tell them 
to go back where they came from.

Dave
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Re: Copy card question from 1 stack file to another

[David Squance]

Jim,
Perhaps it would work to copy one card, make sure the menu and field 
are grouped and the background behaviour is on and then clone the card 
with a repeat loop, either in the message box or with a button which 
could later be hidden or deleted, if this is a one-shot affair.  The 
button / msg box script could have a line to set the name of each card, 
if needed.

HTH,
Dave
On Jun 19, 2005, at 2:28 PM, Jim Bufalini wrote:


Hi everyone,

This has to be simple, but it has me stumped.

I am running rev 2.51 on WinXP

I am copying 20 cards from one stack file to a separate stack in 
another
file. The cards have two objects I am interested in, an option menu 
button
and a scrolling field. Selecting the option menu switches cards and 
displays

the text of the field on that card. This all works fine in the original
stack.

In the original stack, the option menu has the same ID across all 
cards.
(1784). The field also has the same ID across all cards.(1785). And 
the two
objects are grouped and set as background. The option menu button is 
set to

Display name.

After I copy the 20 cards to anther stack in a separate file, 
everything

looks the same (grouping, settings, etc.), however each option menu and
field has a unique ID in each card. So, when I select an option from 
the
option menu, it goes to the right card and displays the proper text in 
the
field, BUT, the display name of the option menu button is "floating" 
and

random from card to card.

How do I copy the cards so that they are identical and work the same 
in both

stack files?

Jim





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Re: creating standalone applications

[David Squance]

Check out this link from the revJournal which is newly revived:  
http://www.revjournal.com/tutorials/saving_data_in_revolution.html



On Jun 17, 2005, at 4:07 PM, Ronald Zellner wrote:

We have been developing in Revolution and have questions about 
creating standalone applications ( document-based applications).


Specifically, files that can be modified by the student and saved 
periodically.

Changes include text, graphics, new objects, new cards, etc.

What needs to be provided to the user for these stacks to work 
efficiently?


Maybe I'm missing something, but this seems to be creating problems.

Ron
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OT Weather report was: Revolution 2.6 Tiger Unleashed

[David Squance]

On Jun 6, 2005, at 8:50 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:


Thomas McGrath III wrote:

Heather,
Pardon me but, while your fixing the What's new file can someone fix 
the Home/ Latest News on RevOnline It's 86 degrees F here and 
Christmas Coding seems a bit odd.


But it's just 36 degrees in Edinburgh.

;)


And it snowed all morning here in the southern Canadian Rockies, with 
more forecast overnight!


Dave

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Re: Using a field variable with exp10()

[David Squance]

put the fld "vTXpower" into tnum
put the exp10 of (tnum)
This worked for me.  Could there be something else, like a hidden 
character in the field?

Dave
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Re: [ANN] #013 How-To stack: Managing tabbed buttons

[David Squance]

How-To stack #013: Managing tabbed buttons (specially dedicated to 
beginners)
Shows how to manage tabbed buttons with 2 methods: Multiple cards 
method (each tab is a card) and Groups method (each tab is a group).
And by script, how to set the tabs names, how to select a tab, how to 
disable or enable a tab, etc.
Thanks, Eric.  I for one appreciate your efforts and find these very 
helpful.  I'm curious about the opening card of this stack.  All but 
the first two rev menu items disappear unless one switches to the 
pointer.  And there is no way to get a resize option for that window.  
I couldn't access the bottom of the info field, and had to go to 
'contents' in the card inspector to access the whole thing.  There I 
could copy and paste it for printing.  May have something to do with my 
still using RR2.1.2
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Re: ANN: BreakpointNavigator Plugin release

[David Squance]

I get only a screen full of script.  Is this a 'go url' thingy for the 
message box?
Dave

On Apr 10, 2005, at 9:54 AM, MisterX wrote:
Here's the release of the breakpoints navigator plugin stack.
You can view the screenshots and download it from

This stack will delete your badly referenced breakpoints and delete bad
customproperties to inexisting controls to save you from loosing work 
as
detailed in bugzilla 2483.


The stack is working quite well but im not sure I got all the quirks 
out.
Please let me know if you encounter anything or a stack that doesn't 
get
fixed! This stack was not mac tested so If here's any visual problems, 
I'd
love to see a screen shot (gif or png if possible) to resolve it.

Regards,
Xavier
http://monsieurx.com/runrev
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Re: List archive

[David Squance]

Thanks.  What I wanted was only a day or two old, but your suggestion 
worked fine.
Dave

On Apr 6, 2005, at 8:13 PM, Brian Yennie wrote:
FWIW, I see results on Google which are less than a month old. If it's 
more recent than that, you could always try downloading the recent 
archive files from here:

http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/
HTH,
Brian

How long is the time lag before messages are searchable in the 
archive?  I know there has been a few postings re scrolling flds, and 
I've dumped the one I want to go back to.  I though by entering (in 
quotes) a phrase from a reply to one of the messages, I could work 
back through the thread and find the one I want, but it comes up with 
nothing (or old messages, if the phrase isn't unique to a particular 
message.)

Thanks,
Dave
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List archive

[David Squance]

How long is the time lag before messages are searchable in the archive? 
 I know there has been a few postings re scrolling flds, and I've 
dumped the one I want to go back to.  I though by entering (in quotes) 
a phrase from a reply to one of the messages, I could work back through 
the thread and find the one I want, but it comes up with nothing (or 
old messages, if the phrase isn't unique to a particular message.)

Thanks,
Dave
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Re: Learning Revolution

[David Squance]

Karen,
A well thought-out post.  I hope you can stick with it.  You'll be an 
asset to the list group.

On Mar 8, 2005, at 2:33 AM, Karen wrote:
 It took me ages to figure out how to
use the auto-complete shortcuts that appear at the bottom of the script
editing window.
I've had Rev for 2 years (though I'm a sparse user compared to many), 
and I wondered about those.  I had decided they were just a quick 
visual check for those of us  that don't spell in American or are not 
native English speakers.  How do you use them?

Dave
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Re: Doc Error in Print Into?

[David Squance]

I'm sure you're right.  In fact I have a note on a paper beside the 
computer from when I was working on something so that I'd remember the 
order.
Dave

On Mar 4, 2005, at 11:07 PM, Dan Shafer wrote:
It's late and my old eyes don't work as well as they once did, but it 
seems to me the docs on the print command incorrectly describe the 
four items of the comma-delimited list of numbers defining the 
rectangle on the page into which to print. The docs say the numbers 
are, in order, top, left, bottom, and right. But I've poked at this 
for quite a while tonight and it seems to me the order is actually 
left, top, right, bottom.

Can anyone confirm? Or do I chalk this up as yet another senior moment 
for me?

Dan
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Re: OT: Help with motivation

[David Squance]

Revers:
Many of you replied to this thread, and the collective wisdom of this 
group has once again impressed me.  My problem, if it can be called a 
problem, is sort of the opposite.  I have the motivation, but nothing 
to work on.  Perhaps I just lack the motivation to dig for ideas, but 
my skills are limited, as is my time--I'm a hobbyist, and have not 
tackled anything very challenging at this point (except perhaps getting 
things to print properly under Windoze  ;).

Dave
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Re: Finding text in field

[David Squance]

This has happened to me, too, though I couldn't say if it happens 
consistently.  After the last time, I switched off the field option.
Dave

On Feb 21, 2005, at 9:59 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:
I often use the Find & replace dialog to search scripts, but today I 
decided to use it to search the contents of fields as well., but it 
didn't work. I got the circling arrows and it said "Getting info..." 
but that was it. The program hadn't crashed - I was able to turn off 
that checkbox and do a search just in the scripts. Searching using all 
the other checkboxes worked fine, it just seems to be fields.

Could anyone confirm this for me before I bugzilla it.
Thanks,
Sarah
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Re: Simple "word-scramble" stack

[David Squance]

I suppose there will never be more than three.
For longer words, perhaps, but what about POST?  ;)
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Re: Almost too simple to ask...

[David Squance]

Len,
If you've grouped some controls, to move the group (as opposed to 
individual controls) click on the button in the tool bar above the main 
window that says "Select grouped".  Presumably, it was dark and then 
turns grey.  Then clicking on any control in the group will select the 
whole group and you should be able to move the controls together.
Dave
On Feb 20, 2005, at 6:55 AM, Len Morgan wrote:

I'm a (very) new user an I'm having a little trouble with the Studio 
IDE.  I'm trying to layout a card with a few labels and the text 
fields to collect information from the user.  I want to select a group 
of labels and move them around a little and I've used the dotted 
"rope" thingy before but I can't seem to make it work any more.  I 
can't even get the "rope" to display as I try and draw it.  What are 
the exact steps I need to take to select a group of controls to adjust 
their position together?

Just to explain where my problem is, when I select the rope tool, the 
Run and Edit buttons BOTH come up.  If I try and click on an area to 
start my selection process, I only get the first control that the 
mouse hits.  If I click on the Edit button on the pallete, the rope 
tool gets unselected.  I know this is a real bonehead mistake on my 
part (because I've done it before).

Thanks,
Len Morgan
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Re: Dynamically creating notes that lay "on top" of cards

[David Squance]

On Feb 10, 2005, at 2:33 PM, Silver, Jason wrote:
The "Big picture" questions concern how these new notes interact with
the existing card.  Since there can be several different notes that can
overlay on the card (albeit one at a time), it seems silly to have all
these notes pre-created and invisible.  So, the big question is, can we
just have a note, then simply feed it the title and body when it is
displayed?
You could enter the title and content of the notes into custom 
properties.  These could be set either via the message box, since they 
would be static, or in an openstack (or some such) handler, and called 
when the user clicked on the activating button.  However, if you only 
use one note with varying content from custom properties, you'll need 
the switch statement alluded to below either way.  More experienced 
revers will likely chime in here.

Also, since the softkeys change, the behavior has to change for those
buttons.  The "ButtonPress" message which I previously created was
handled at the card  (specifically leftSoftkey and rightSoftkey).  
Since
that one card can either not be displaying a note, or have one of any
number of notes on top of it, does it seem sensible to create yet
another switch statement?  The condition would have to check if a note
is visible.  But the behavior can be different depending on which
note...maybe I should create the notes, have the behavior encapsulated
in that note (i.e. the field), and pass the ButtonPress message to the
note if there's one up?
Best,
Dave
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Re: clone this card

[David Squance]

Worked for me.  Mac OS 10.3.7  RR 2.1.2
I just tried it in the message box.
Dave
On Feb 3, 2005, at 5:07 PM, Michael J. Lew wrote:
clone this card; put it & return & the number of cards in this stack
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Re: Of standalones, bundles and files

[David Squance]

  And if I do this, is there a way to get the file inside the OS X 
bundle?
Yes, right-click (control-click) on the application and choose "Show 
Package Contents" from the popup menu.
Thanks for the replies.  I knew I'd seen something like that.  I tried 
both option and command, but only think of control when on a windows 
machine.  I'd looked through the archive, but didn't find what Joel 
referred to or the above tip.  Thanks, too, to Richard for the tip on 
turning off the property checking.  Not something I would have thought 
of.
But it's helpful to know it's safe to take the easy route.  The 
splashscreen stack hasn't changed for a long time, and the other is 
tweaked regularly.
Dave

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Of standalones, bundles and files

[David Squance]

I'm using RR2.1.2 on OSX, and would like to avoid using the standalone 
builder, as it takes 30 to 40 minutes doing something with a particular 
substack.  Is there a reason why I shouldn't just build the 
splashscreen stack and put the 'real' rev file in the same folder and 
avoid having it in the build?  And if I do this, is there a way to get 
the file inside the OS X bundle?
Dave

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Re: Disappearing Mouse!!??

[David Squance]

On Jan 27, 2005, at 11:56 AM, Sivakatirswami wrote:
My cursor still regularly disappears. (OSX) I thought it was my stack 
(objects on top of the text field) but, it still happens not 
infrequently in the script editor... the text cursor *is* there   but 
just not visible.. if you type you get characters .
I get this, too, also OS X.  It's like taking a car to the mechanic 
with a strange noise.  It never happens when you're in the shop.
Dave

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Re: Using an index field

[David Squance]

On Jan 26, 2005, at 9:17 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:
Thanks for the reply.  The contents are a single field.  There's only 
one card, and the index field and contents field are about all there 
is.  Just a title and a 'put away' button.  The script for the index 
field is:

on mouseup
  put the value of the clickline into tFindText
  if  tFindText contains "overview" then find "overview" in fld 
"contents"
  else find whole tFindText in fld "contents"
end mouseup

The index is generated by hand.  It's not a big deal, but when the 
last foundchunk (or line) is somewhere in the middle or near the 
bottom and a line in the index field that is above the last one is 
clicked, nothing happens.  It takes a second click for it to do 
anything.  I was hoping there was a tip someone could offer to script 
around that.
Dave

When you do a find, rev puts a box around the found text. if you then 
do "find empty" it gets rids of the box and resets the find position. 
I think this might be the workaround you are looking for.

Alternatively, consider using lineOffset to get the relevant line 
number and then set the vScroll of the field to the number of the line 
* the textHeight.

Cheers,
Sarah
Thanks, Sarah.  That works, but I think I'll have a look at the 
lineoffset function, anyhow.
Dave

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Re: Using an index field

[David Squance]

On Jan 26, 2005, at 9:17 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:
Thanks for the reply.  The contents are a single field.  There's only 
one card, and the index field and contents field are about all there 
is.  Just a title and a 'put away' button.  The script for the index 
field is:

on mouseup
  put the value of the clickline into tFindText
  if  tFindText contains "overview" then find "overview" in fld 
"contents"
  else find whole tFindText in fld "contents"
end mouseup

The index is generated by hand.  It's not a big deal, but when the 
last foundchunk (or line) is somewhere in the middle or near the 
bottom and a line in the index field that is above the last one is 
clicked, nothing happens.  It takes a second click for it to do 
anything.  I was hoping there was a tip someone could offer to script 
around that.
Dave

When you do a find, rev puts a box around the found text. if you then 
do "find empty" it gets rids of the box and resets the find position. 
I think this might be the workaround you are looking for.

Alternatively, consider using lineOffset to get the relevant line 
number and then set the vScroll of the field to the number of the line 
* the textHeight.

Cheers,
Sarah
Thanks, Sarah.  That works, but I think I'll have a look at the 
lineoffset function, anyhow.
Dave

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Re: Using an index field

[David Squance]

On Jan 26, 2005, at 2:17 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
David Squance wrote:
I've built a help stack for an app which consists mostly of two 
fields, one the content and the other an index.  Clicking on a line 
in the index takes the user to the appropriate section of the help 
contents.  It works fine when going 'down' the contents, but I'm 
wondering if there is a simple way for the user to avoid having to 
click twice to access any section which occurs earlier in the content 
than where the last found line occurs.
I'n not sure how you code is setup, but I use a similar layout and 
very simple supporting code.

To fill the index list I just use:
  put the cardnames of this stack into fld "index"
To go to a card I have this in the "index" field script:
  on mouseUp
go cd (the hilitedLine of me)
  end mouseUp
Thanks for the reply.  The contents are a single field.  There's only 
one card, and the index field and contents field are about all there 
is.  Just a title and a 'put away' button.  The script for the index 
field is:

on mouseup
  put the value of the clickline into tFindText
  if  tFindText contains "overview" then find "overview" in fld 
"contents"
  else find whole tFindText in fld "contents"
end mouseup

The index is generated by hand.  It's not a big deal, but when the last 
foundchunk (or line) is somewhere in the middle or near the bottom and 
a line in the index field that is above the last one is clicked, 
nothing happens.  It takes a second click for it to do anything.  I was 
hoping there was a tip someone could offer to script around that.
Dave

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Using an index field

[David Squance]

I've built a help stack for an app which consists mostly of two fields, 
one the content and the other an index.  Clicking on a line in the 
index takes the user to the appropriate section of the help contents.  
It works fine when going 'down' the contents, but I'm wondering if 
there is a simple way for the user to avoid having to click twice to 
access any section which occurs earlier in the content than where the 
last found line occurs.
Thanks, Dave

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Printrotated

[David Squance]

Judging from the lack of response to my question earlier, no one knows 
what I was talking about or hasn't had that experience with using 
printrotated.  Can anyone tell me just how it works to do what it does? 
 The problem is on XP. and the app that won't hold the portrait mode is 
an online app (not a Rev app).  Word doesn't seem to have been 
affected--the default is still portrait.  Is there anywhere in IE to 
set print orientation defaults?  It's possible that the script I was 
running at the time did not have the set printrotated to false at the 
end (as it does now).
Thanks, Dave

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Printing problem

[David Squance]

I didn't get a response on this earlier, but I'm wondering if anyone 
knows if setting printrotated to true can mess up the printer default 
settings in some way.  I'm going to be in deep kaka at work, if I can't 
get this fixed.  I tested an app on a couple of PCs at work, not having 
a windows machine at home, and now we can't seem to get them back to 
having portrait as default.  Is there some simple solution?
Thanks,
Dave

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Re: Printing Hell

[David Squance]

On Jan 24, 2005, at 12:48 PM, Dan Friedman wrote:

solved the problem.  Ever since I started issuing the "answer printer"
command before printing, the printing problems have ceased.
Did you use printrotated?  I've found that setting the printrotated to 
false after printing doesn't seem to 'take'.  Perhaps using answer 
printer will correct that.  I don't have a windows machine available at 
home where I develop (on OSX), and when I test at work, the other staff 
get a bit annoyed when the other apps they use are printing in 
landscape mode when they shouldn't be.
Dave

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Re: revMail fails on some Macs

[David Squance]

On Jan 18, 2005, at 9:38 PM, Sivakatirswami wrote:
What exactly does the Mac need to ensure that there is an email client 
automatically will be invoked by revMail? I can't find any preference 
in OS X for "default mail app" that requires setting. No more internet 
config and apple has this bizarre requirment to set the default 
browser from within Safari, which one has to boot to say, choose 
Firefox... but I don't see any option to set a default email app that 
the scripting extensions would use. and I also don't know exactly what 
to test for to determine with other missing parts there may be... 
possible the GURL even is not handled on his machine? But I though 
apple script and events would be auto loaded by default for anyone 
using OSX.
There may be a similarly bizarre connection with OS X Mail.  Check the 
preferences for it.  There's a place there to set the default email 
reader.  I know if affects which email program Safari uses, but beyond 
that, I can't say if that will help.
Dave

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Re: More on Windows printing...

[David Squance]

 then set the stack's formatForPrinting property to true before 
opening the stack to print it.
How is this done?  Do you change the setting, close the stack and then 
reopen it, or can it be added to a preopenstack handler?

If the stack's formatForPrinting property is true, the setting of the 
windowBoundingRect property is ignored when the stack is opened or 
maximized.
Is this a bug or is there some reason?
I checked the docs one last time and discovered that nausea and 
dizziness are not among the side effects of using formatForPrinting.
I'm not so sure about the dizziness, after following this thread!
This process is way too complicated for frequent printing-editing 
cycles.  I'd still like to be able to print an address on an envelope 
in the right place.  So far, I can manage labels on windows, but if the 
paper size is changed (as for an envelope), I've had no luck getting it 
anywhere close to the right position.
Dave

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Re: RevOnLine

[David Squance]

Unfortunately, it appears RevOnline is restricted to those with 2.5 
which I can't afford, so your user name is of no use to me.  Thanks, 
anyhow.
Dave

Hello again,
David Squance just made me aware of the fact that I had forgotten to 
mention my user name: sms (which is my initials), under which you'll 
find the two small stacks. Another way to access them is Browse by 
category... and you'll find them under Programming and Utilities. 
Actually, I did not understand the difference between these two and 
have managed to put one under each. (SaveStackInStack is under 
Programming.)

Regards
Signe Marie Sanne
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Re: RevOnline

[David Squance]

Unfortunately, the user name is of no use to me, since it appears 
RevOnline is restricted to those with RR2.5 which I can't afford.  
Thanks anyhow.
Dave


Hello again,
David Squance just made me aware of the fact that I had forgotten to 
mention my user name: sms (which is my initials), under which you'll 
find the two small stacks. Another way to access them is Browse by 
category... and you'll find them under Programming and Utilities. 
Actually, I did not understand the difference between these two and 
have managed to put one under each. (SaveStackInStack is under 
Programming.)

Regards
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Re: Menu button problem

[David Squance]

I've been experimenting a bit with menu buttons.  I built a 
cascading menu button which works very nicely for choosing between 
several cards.  When I tried to do the same thing for a font 
selection the behaviour is very strange.  First, it activates on 
mouseover or mousewithin, neither of which commands are anywhere to 
be found in the stack.  And, after quitting and restarting RR, now 
the button contents are not displayed at all.  There's just a brief 
flash of the outline and it disappears again.
I'm using RR2.1.2 Mac OS10.3.6
Dave
I solved it by trashing the button and doing it over.  Weird, though.
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Menu button problem

[David Squance]

I've been experimenting a bit with menu buttons.  I built a cascading 
menu button which works very nicely for choosing between several cards. 
 When I tried to do the same thing for a font selection the behaviour 
is very strange.  First, it activates on mouseover or mousewithin, 
neither of which commands are anywhere to be found in the stack.  And, 
after quitting and restarting RR, now the button contents are not 
displayed at all.  There's just a brief flash of the outline and it 
disappears again.
I'm using RR2.1.2 Mac OS10.3.6
Dave

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Re: Card navigation

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--- David Squance <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 I have a script which is intended to speed up
 locating a card on a
 find command by using an index field.  However, when
 tested in the
 msg box, it comes up as card not found.  If I "put"
 with the
 variable, the correct id (or name when I tried that)
 appears.  If I
 try
 "go cd " it goes where it should. This
 is the find button script:
 on mouseup
ask "Find what name:"
find it in fld "nameindex"
put "id"&&(item 2 of the value of the foundline)
 into tcardno
go cd tcardno
 end mouseup
 Any reason it shouldn't work?
 cDave
Hi Dave,
My guess is that the engine expects the variable
'tcardno' to contain either the name or the number of
a card ; and unless your card is named "id 12345" it
is not going to find it.
The easy solution :
--
  put item 2 of the value of the foundLine into
tCardID
  go card ID tCardID
--
or you could use the 'do' command, but that would be
overkill.
Jan Schenkel.
Thanks, Jan
That worked.  I should have thought to put the ID after the "go card" 
rather than where I had it.
Dave
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Card navigation

[David Squance]

I have a script which is intended to speed up locating a card on a 
find command by using an index field.  However, when tested in the 
msg box, it comes up as card not found.  If I "put" with the 
variable, the correct id (or name when I tried that) appears.  If I 
try
"go cd " it goes where it should. This is the find button script:

on mouseup
  ask "Find what name:"
  find it in fld "nameindex"
  put "id"&&(item 2 of the value of the foundline) into tcardno
  go cd tcardno
end mouseup
Any reason it shouldn't work?
Dave
(Mac OS10.3.6, RR2.1.2)
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Re: Find command

[David Squance]

Thanks for the reply.  It made no difference.  I find it very odd that it
works as expected when I add the fld, as in
find "xxx" in fld "FieldName"
but find "xxx" returns not found.  Normally, the latter is just slower.
I'm using RR2.1.2 if that makes any difference.  It's not a showstopper.
In this case, putting the fld reference there is actually better.

>David,
>   The find command begins searching from the point of the last
>successful find.  Try inserting "Find Empty" just above the line of
>code with the find command:
>
>Find Empty
>Find "desired text"
>...
>
>   Mark Greenberg


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Re: Find command

[David Squance]

Further to my last post, the find works when the field is specified, 
but that wasn't necessary for other fields.
Dave

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Find command

[David Squance]

Are there specific types of fields which do not respond to the find 
command?  I'm looking at a card with a field containing the word I'm 
searching for, and I get 'not found'.  The docs say the find command 
searches all fields which don't have the dontsearch property set to 
true.  It's not my spelling--I've tried a couple of different 
possibilities.  Some find the word and some don't.
Dave

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Re: Printi ng Groups consisting of fileds and graphics...

[David Squance]

There is also the printscale property, if you take Frank's suggestion
and put each picture and note field on one card.  It shouldn't be too
difficult to script printing a quarter size (for eg.)  card in each corner
of a page. (But if you're using Windows, better get someone else's
help, as I have my own problems placing stuff for printing.)
Dave

>The best way to do this in Rev would likely be to have the slides set
>up as cards on a stack (or otherwise get a picture of each slide so
>that you can post the pictures onto cards for printing) and to print
>the card into a region on the page (using the print command), then have
>a separate card somewhere with a field appropriately sized for
>printing, so that you could then print that card using the same
>command.  The text field card could be on a separate stack, for
>example.
>
>On Nov 4, 2004, at 19:44, John Patten wrote:
>
>> Hi All...
>>
>> I'm trying to put together a little project that will allow the user
>> to take
>> notes on a series of directions they listen to in a presentation.
>>
>> I was trying to come up with a way to present a sub-stack that had
>> thumbnails of the slides and a field associated with each thumbnail.
>> The
>> user could take notes on the slides that they choose, and then
>> ultimately
>> print out a hard copy of the slides with their notes.
>>
>> My problem is how to print the hard copy out. I have quite a few
>> slides in a
>> presentation (20 or more), so I was thinking I would group all my
>> thumbnails
>> and associated scrolling fields. Then, when the user completed the
>> tutorial,
>> they could hit a print button at the bottom and the slides with
>> associated
>> notes would print out under each slide.
>>
>> Are there any suggestions on how I could print out a group of slides
>> and
>> associated scrolling fields?
>>
>> Thank you!
>>
>>
>> --
>> John Patten
>> Technology Coordinator
>> San Bernardino City Unified School District
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>> Fax # 909 386-2540
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>$ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
>$ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
>John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten
>Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have
>everlasting life.
>$
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Coninued printing woes

[David Squance]

Another request of the windows gurus:
  I'm trying to figure out the way to print on to non-standard paper, like
envelopes.  Because the laser printer I have to test with feeds envelopes
in the middle, one question is:  If I use 'PrintPaperSize' to set the
envelope size, is 0,0 at the corner of the envelope where it's feeding
from, or where a normal 8.5 X 11 page would be?  This would be with
PrintRotated set to true.  I noticed in test printing (on the laser
printer) that the address is rotated counterclockwise (presumably this is
normal) and the address was the same distance from the right side of the
paper (that is, the 'wrong' end of the address) on two lengths of paper.
When I had an envelope size set, most if not all the address missed
altogether.  I don't know if that's because it was fed down the middle or
because I set the margins from the wrong end.  Any enlightenment would be
appreciated.
Dave
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Windows problem

[David Squance]

I created a standalone for Windows which works fine under XP, but I get an
error message when I tried it on a machine running Windows 95.  Is this too
much to expect?  If I remember correctly, a different app was OK on Win 98.
I'm using RR2.1.2 and develop on a Mac.
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Re: Printing query

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Apparently not.  The 'answer printer' only applied on the Mac, and I just
changed the script so that the paper size lines would only apply to
windows, restarted RR, and it made no difference.   Besides it worked
before on the Mac as it was, so the printPaperSize didn't screw it up.
Also the docs would imply to me that 'print into' is intended for scaling
a card's contents to fit a particular space.  I don't want it to scale up if
there's more space than needed.

Can anyone tell me how a printer that takes envelopes in the centre vs
one that takes them on one side figures into the numbers?
Dave

>Hmm
>
>I just noticed that you are trying to set the printPaperSize property
>after using the "answer printer" command.  According to the docs, this
>is not possible.  After you use "answer printer", you cannot manually
>adjust these properties until you restart Rev (or your standalone).
>
>Maybe that is related to your problem?
>
>On Oct 28, 2004, at 11:26 PM, David Squance wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the reply, Frank.
>> However, it didn't work.  I tried it on my Mac, and when I opened the
>> PDF
>> file I created (rather than direct
>> to the printer) I got an error message--wrong operand or some such
>> thing.
>> When I tried actually printing, the printer light flashed once as it
>> usually does before printing, but nothing else happened.  (At least RR
>> didn't crash as is also usual after printing--I think since I used the
>> clone function--I'm using RR2.1.2)
>> Perhaps my choice of the rect after the 'into' is off the page.  I
>> used the
>> printmargin numbers (see script portion below).
>> Dave
>>
>>> Why not specify the rect on the page as well as on the card (print
>>> this
>>> card from  to  into )...
>>>
>>> On Oct 27, 2004, at 7:27 PM, David Squance wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello Group,
>>>> I've created a little app to print labels, and am trying to adapt it
>>>> to do
>>>> envelopes.  I'm having trouble getting my head around the numbers.  I
>>>> have
>>>> the rect of the fld to which the address info goes, and have the
>>>> handler
>>>> print the card from the first two numbers of the fld rect to the last
>>>> two.
>>>> This is a segment of the printing handler:
>>>>
>>>>   if the platform is "MacOS" then answer printer
>>>>   else set the printrotated to true
>>>>   open printing with dialog
>>>>   if envchoice is "short" then
>>>> set the printPaperSize to 261,468
>>>> set the printmargins to 200,144,36,36
>>>>   end if
>>>>   if envchoice is "long" then
>>>> set the printPaperSize to 297,684
>>>> set the printmargins to 360,144,36,36
>>>>   end if
>>>>   print this card from 4,31 to 193,103
>>>>   close printing
>>>>
>>>> When I print (to PDF) on my Mac (since RR crashes if I try to do a
>>>> real
>>>> print), the fld is all there, but on Windows, I lose most of the
>>>> field.
>>>> What's the interconnection between the various sets of numbers?  The
>>>> papersize is just 72 X the dimensions of standard (North American)
>>>> envelopes, and the margins are supposed to put the address in the
>>>> right
>>>> place on the envelope.  Any enlightenment would be helpful.
>>>> Dave
>>>>
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>>>
>>> $ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
>>> $ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
>>> John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten
>>> Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have
>>> everlasting life.
>>> $
>>>
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Re: Printing query

[David Squance]

Thanks for the reply, Frank.
However, it didn't work.  I tried it on my Mac, and when I opened the PDF
file I created (rather than direct
to the printer) I got an error message--wrong operand or some such thing.
When I tried actually printing, the printer light flashed once as it
usually does before printing, but nothing else happened.  (At least RR
didn't crash as is also usual after printing--I think since I used the
clone function--I'm using RR2.1.2)
Perhaps my choice of the rect after the 'into' is off the page.  I used the
printmargin numbers (see script portion below).
Dave

>Why not specify the rect on the page as well as on the card (print this
>card from  to  into )...
>
>On Oct 27, 2004, at 7:27 PM, David Squance wrote:
>
>> Hello Group,
>> I've created a little app to print labels, and am trying to adapt it
>> to do
>> envelopes.  I'm having trouble getting my head around the numbers.  I
>> have
>> the rect of the fld to which the address info goes, and have the
>> handler
>> print the card from the first two numbers of the fld rect to the last
>> two.
>> This is a segment of the printing handler:
>>
>>   if the platform is "MacOS" then answer printer
>>   else set the printrotated to true
>>   open printing with dialog
>>   if envchoice is "short" then
>> set the printPaperSize to 261,468
>> set the printmargins to 200,144,36,36
>>   end if
>>   if envchoice is "long" then
>> set the printPaperSize to 297,684
>> set the printmargins to 360,144,36,36
>>   end if
>>   print this card from 4,31 to 193,103
>>   close printing
>>
>> When I print (to PDF) on my Mac (since RR crashes if I try to do a real
>> print), the fld is all there, but on Windows, I lose most of the field.
>> What's the interconnection between the various sets of numbers?  The
>> papersize is just 72 X the dimensions of standard (North American)
>> envelopes, and the margins are supposed to put the address in the right
>> place on the envelope.  Any enlightenment would be helpful.
>> Dave
>>
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>$ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
>$ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
>John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten
>Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have
>everlasting life.
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Printing query

[David Squance]

Hello Group,
I've created a little app to print labels, and am trying to adapt it to do
envelopes.  I'm having trouble getting my head around the numbers.  I have
the rect of the fld to which the address info goes, and have the handler
print the card from the first two numbers of the fld rect to the last two.
This is a segment of the printing handler:

  if the platform is "MacOS" then answer printer
  else set the printrotated to true
  open printing with dialog
  if envchoice is "short" then
set the printPaperSize to 261,468
set the printmargins to 200,144,36,36
  end if
  if envchoice is "long" then
set the printPaperSize to 297,684
set the printmargins to 360,144,36,36
  end if
  print this card from 4,31 to 193,103
  close printing

When I print (to PDF) on my Mac (since RR crashes if I try to do a real
print), the fld is all there, but on Windows, I lose most of the field.
What's the interconnection between the various sets of numbers?  The
papersize is just 72 X the dimensions of standard (North American)
envelopes, and the margins are supposed to put the address in the right
place on the envelope.  Any enlightenment would be helpful.
Dave


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Re: Cross Platform Font Question ?

[David Squance]

I'd recommend Arial.  It seems to me it looks pretty good in both systems.
Dave

>I have a stack that was put together on the mac. In the text fields
>Helvetica 14 has been used, and on the mac under OS X looks fine... but when
>it is run under windows Helvetica 14 looks awfully emaciated...
>
>Anyone have any ideas on what fonts are good for using in stacks that are to
>be used on more than the one platform ?
>
>thanks
>
>John Dixon


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Re: OT Disk utility

[David Squance]

Thanks for the suggestion.  I decided to fire up my old Quadra which is
collecting dust in the basement, and that worked fine.  There's still
something to be said for obsolete technology.  Sorry that's no help to you,
Andre, unless you have a dinosaur lurking around, too.
Dave

>Guys -
>
>I found this on the Mac OS X Hints Forum.  Although the poster says this
>came from the "Apple Knowledge Base" I couldn't find it there, so try this
>with caution.  I don't have any unformatted floppies, so I can't try it.
>
>   BEGIN SNIPPET FROM:
>http://forums.macosxhints.com/showthread.php?t=15882&highlight=format+floppy
> --
> From an Apple KnowledgeBase Document:
>
>Floppy disks are too small to allow Mac OS Extended format, which requires
>at least a 4 MB disk. To correct the issue, reformat the disk as Mac OS
>Standard, Unix File System, or MS-DOS File System.
> ---
>
> If this does not work, it might be possible to format it from the
>Terminal. Be very careful when doing this. You might wait for verification
>from another before trying this, especially in 3 and 4.
>
> 1) Insert the floppy into your 3rd party USB floppy drive (which you are
>no doubt using since you mentioned iMacs and eMacs).
> 2) Open the Terminal and type
> diskutil list
>
> Sample output:
> --
> diskutil list
> /dev/disk0
> #: type name size identifier
> 0: Apple_partition_scheme *38.2 GB disk0
> 1: Apple_partition_map 31.5 KB disk0s1
> 2: Apple_Driver43 27.0 KB disk0s2
> 3: Apple_Driver43 37.0 KB disk0s3
> 4: Apple_Driver_ATA 27.0 KB disk0s4
> 5: Apple_Driver_ATA 37.0 KB disk0s5
> 6: Apple_FWDriver 100.0 KB disk0s6
> 7: Apple_Driver_IOKit 256.0 KB disk0s7
> 8: Apple_Patches 256.0 KB disk0s8
> 9: Apple_HFS lebesgue 31.1 GB disk0s9
> 10: Apple_HFS Archive 7.1 GB disk0s10
> /dev/disk2
> #: type name size identifier
> 0: PUBLIC *122.6 MB disk2
> 1: PUBLIC 122.6 MB disk2
> -
>
> PUBLIC is my USB flash drive. Your USB floppy will probably show up in a
>similar way.
>
> 3) If the floppy drive is not yet unmounted, then do so, by typing
>
> diskutil unmount /dev/disk2
>
> 4) Now format the floppy by typing
>
> newfs_hfs -h -v DesiredNameOfFloppy /dev/disk2
>
>
> [Edited to say that, if this works, all you'd have to do each time is to
>do steps 3 and 4. One ought to be able to write a shell script or perhaps
>and AppleScript to do it???]
>
> [By the way, this worked on my USB flash drive.]
> Last edited by macmath : 10-09-2003 at 04:06 PM.
>   END SNIPPET FROM:
>http://forums.macosxhints.com/showthread.php?t=15882&highlight=format+floppy
> --
>
>
>
>
>
>Andre Garzia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>09/27/04 11:41 AM
>Please respond to How to use Revolution
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>To: How to use Revolution <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>cc:
>Subject:Re: OT Disk utility
>
>
>David,
>
>
>guess what, I am with 10.3.5 and just stumbled with the same problem
>while making a plan9 bootdisk... hell
>
>I can't erase my disk and reformat it...
>
>sigh
>andre
>
>On Sep 27, 2004, at 4:30 PM, David Squance wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> Sorry to bug the list about this, but I want to reformat a floppy for
>> a new
>> version of a little app (don't need the engine), and the disk utility
>> just
>> sits there when I try to erase a disk.  I have some which are Mac
>> formatted, and want PC format.  The disk utility should do this,
>> n'est-ce
>> pas?
>>
>> I'm using OS10.3.5, and I've tried using the utility from my install
>> CD,
>> and that's no different.  Can someone give me a suggestion as to where
>> I
>> can get a working copy of this (or a better) utility for this purpose?
>>  I
>> tried Apple's site, but didn't find what I was looking for.
>> Thanks,
>> Dave
>>
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OT Disk utility

[David Squance]

Hi,
Sorry to bug the list about this, but I want to reformat a floppy for a new
version of a little app (don't need the engine), and the disk utility just
sits there when I try to erase a disk.  I have some which are Mac
formatted, and want PC format.  The disk utility should do this, n'est-ce
pas?

I'm using OS10.3.5, and I've tried using the utility from my install CD,
and that's no different.  Can someone give me a suggestion as to where I
can get a working copy of this (or a better) utility for this purpose?  I
tried Apple's site, but didn't find what I was looking for.
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Sorting query

[David Squance]

Can someone enlighten me as to why sorting appears to be inconsistent?  I
put the following as a simple column (no commas) into a field:
1,5,4,2A,7,3A,6 and sort numeric.  The column will appear in the following
order:  1,2A,3A,4,5,6,7 as expected.  However, when I try to sort (numeric)
a stack of cards (or at least the marked cards of a stack) by the last word
of a field which is a number, or a number followed by a letter as in this
example, then the cards will appear in the following order: 2A,3A,1,4,5,6,7

RR2.1.2,  OS10.3.5

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Re: strange clone behaviour: bug?

[David Squance]

I responded too soon.  Should have checked the mail first--another 30 or
so messages.  I'm glad to see it's being fixed.  I'd queried bugzilla before I
posted, but used 'clone' rather than 'cloning' so didn't find anything.  Don't
know whether I'll 'back up' in my project to use the workaround, but it's nice
to have the option.
Dave

>I've queried the list in the past, as well, and got nowhere on this.
>There's definitely a bug, but it is not predictable or consistent.  I, too,
>gave up using the clone function, and went to a sort of multiple blank
>template approach.  I guessed how many cards would be the most I'd ever
>want in the stacks, and marked the active ones.  Then, when I would
>otherwise clone a card, I just mark one of the spares, enter the data and
>proceed from there.  It's a bit more cumbersome, and causes some stack
>bloat, but it's reliable (so far).
>Dave
>
>> Andreas - I'm afraid this won't be of much help, but about a year ago, I
>>reported a problem with the clone function - we were executing it within a
>>repeat loop and could guarantee an eventual crash, although it was
>>completely unpredictable as to _when_ it would crash.  It felt like a
>>memory disconnect of some sort, whether it was a lost pointer or something
>>like that, I can't say.
>>
>>We finally abandandoned this use of the clone and instead went to using
>>"copy to" functionality.
>>
>>I don't recall seeing a response to the clone problem, but it was
>>pre-bugzilla (and I'd since lost interest in the problem).
>>
>>Sorry.
>>Ray
>>
>>On Tuesday, July 13, 2004, at 04:31AM, andreas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>>Hi
>>>
>>>I've read some articles in metacard lists about clone behaviour.
>>>For myself I've now a strange error that I can't solve:
>>>
>>> From a main stack A   I call a substack B which has the handler
>>>"klonen".  The handler "klonen" in substack B has the simple script:
>>>
>>>on Klonen
>>>   put ZuKopieren & "_" & Schuelername into NeuerName
>>>   go card ZuKopieren
>>>clone card ZuKopieren
>>>set the name of  it to NeuerName
>>>end Klonen
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On the line "clone card ZuKopieren" the script exits without an error
>>>message!
>>>
>>>This script boiled down from a far more complicated script, which
>>>showed the
>>>same error.
>>>This happens with the newest Rev built in MacOSX.
>>>
>>>Because my project relies heavily on the clone function help is very
>>>welcome!
>>>
>>>Andreas Stämpfli
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Re: strange clone behaviour: bug?

[David Squance]

I've queried the list in the past, as well, and got nowhere on this.
There's definitely a bug, but it is not predictable or consistent.  I, too,
gave up using the clone function, and went to a sort of multiple blank
template approach.  I guessed how many cards would be the most I'd ever
want in the stacks, and marked the active ones.  Then, when I would
otherwise clone a card, I just mark one of the spares, enter the data and
proceed from there.  It's a bit more cumbersome, and causes some stack
bloat, but it's reliable (so far).
Dave

> Andreas - I'm afraid this won't be of much help, but about a year ago, I
>reported a problem with the clone function - we were executing it within a
>repeat loop and could guarantee an eventual crash, although it was
>completely unpredictable as to _when_ it would crash.  It felt like a
>memory disconnect of some sort, whether it was a lost pointer or something
>like that, I can't say.
>
>We finally abandandoned this use of the clone and instead went to using
>"copy to" functionality.
>
>I don't recall seeing a response to the clone problem, but it was
>pre-bugzilla (and I'd since lost interest in the problem).
>
>Sorry.
>Ray
>
>On Tuesday, July 13, 2004, at 04:31AM, andreas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>Hi
>>
>>I've read some articles in metacard lists about clone behaviour.
>>For myself I've now a strange error that I can't solve:
>>
>> From a main stack A   I call a substack B which has the handler
>>"klonen".  The handler "klonen" in substack B has the simple script:
>>
>>on Klonen
>>   put ZuKopieren & "_" & Schuelername into NeuerName
>>   go card ZuKopieren
>>clone card ZuKopieren
>>set the name of  it to NeuerName
>>end Klonen
>>
>>
>>
>>On the line "clone card ZuKopieren" the script exits without an error
>>message!
>>
>>This script boiled down from a far more complicated script, which
>>showed the
>>same error.
>>This happens with the newest Rev built in MacOSX.
>>
>>Because my project relies heavily on the clone function help is very
>>welcome!
>>
>>Andreas Stämpfli
>>
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Re: Standalone building

[David Squance]

Thanks for the reply.  I 'googled' the list archives and discovered a
posting from last November concerning very slow builds with a similar
system to mine.  I don't know if my case has anything to do with having
changed the backgroundcolor for that stack--that seemed to have
something to do with the problem in the earlier instance.  However, the
solution seems to be to get the Metacard standalone builder.  I'll just put
up with the slowness for now, since I will only be renewing my licence if I
ever actually make any money from what I've done.
Dave

>I suspect the reason for the delays is that in the old version, you
>were not having Rev "slim down" the standalone by removing unneeded
>stuff. And perhaps not using any profiles, either. These steps can take
>time (I'm not sure if 4 minutes is appropriate; depends on lots of
>variables).
>
>dan
>
>On Jul 10, 2004, at 2:52 PM, David Squance wrote:
>
>> And while I have your attention   ;)
>> How long should it take to build a standalone (RR2.1.2) ?
>> The first ones I did some time back were done in a few seconds.
>> For this project, it takes about 4 minutes each when it is on
>> 'Removing development properties from stack "draws"' and
>> 'Now setting Profile options in stack "draws" '.  All the other
>> steps go quite quickly.  There are 80 cards in that
>> substack, which would make some difference, but it seems a
>> long time.  As long as it's normal, I can live with it, but I don't
>> want a sleeping problem to wake up and bite me.
>> Dave
>>
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Standalone building

[David Squance]

And while I have your attention   ;)
How long should it take to build a standalone (RR2.1.2) ?
The first ones I did some time back were done in a few seconds.
For this project, it takes about 4 minutes each when it is on
'Removing development properties from stack "draws"' and
'Now setting Profile options in stack "draws" '.  All the other
steps go quite quickly.  There are 80 cards in that
substack, which would make some difference, but it seems a
long time.  As long as it's normal, I can live with it, but I don't
want a sleeping problem to wake up and bite me.
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Re: Reading text files

[David Squance]

I wasn't going to do it right away (I was working in the yard), but did and
inserting 'for text read' made the difference.  Thanks a lot.
Dave

>Again, thanks for the replies, Dan and Andrew.
>I get no results.  That is nothing from the text file.  I got a long
>series of
>YesYesYes ...in the field.  I'll try Andrew's suggeston:
>
>open file tfilename for text read
>
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Re: Reading text files

[David Squance]

Again, thanks for the replies, Dan and Andrew.
I get no results.  That is nothing from the text file.  I got a long series of
YesYesYes ...in the field.  I'll try Andrew's suggeston:

open file tfilename for text read

Dave


>OK, do you get an error message when you try to read from the CD or do
>you get erroneous read results or no results at all or what?
>
>Dan
>
>On Jul 10, 2004, at 1:09 PM, David Squance wrote:
>
>> Dan,
>> Thanks for the reply.  I'm only attempting to read from a file, not
>> write
>> to it, but is there a reason that doesn't work when the file is on a
>> CD?
>> This is part of the script I'm using:
>>
>>   set the itemDelimiter to "/"
>>   repeat
>> answer file "Choose the team name:"
>> if the result is "cancel" then exit mouseup
>> put it into tfilename
>> put the last item of it into teamname
>>   -- 'teamname' holds the file's name with no extension that's
>> obvious
>>,,,
>> some stuff to determine the destination fld
>>,,,
>> open file tfilename
>> repeat for 200
>>   read from file tfilename until return
>>
>>   etc.
>>
>> It *is* working from the standalone, but not when all of it is on a CD.
>> I checked over the entry in the docs you mentioned, but there were no
>> obvious hints when 'answer file' is used--it's just referred to as a
>> way
>> of finding the correct file path.  I wouldn't normally run it from a
>> CD,
>> but I don't want to install it on the Windows computer I'm using for
>> testing, and if it won't work at home on my Mac, it won't likely work
>> on
>> a PC.
>> Dave
>>
>>> I'm not 100% sure what might be going on here. It's not clear what you
>>> mean when you say it doesn't work in a standalone.
>>>
>>> Two possible leads to follow based on my experience.
>>>
>>> First, if you're opening the files for reading and writing and they
>>> reside on a CD (locked media), there may be some strange interaction
>>> going on there.
>>>
>>> Second, file pathing is crucial and not always straightforward (at
>>> least I haven't found it to be so). Particularly when you bundle as a
>>> standalone and the text files are included in the bundle file pathing
>>> is not what you expect it to be from your IDE experience. There are
>>> some notes on this in the docs under "Why can't Revolution find a file
>>> I specified?" Note particularly the defaultFolder stuff.
>>>
>>> HTH
>>>
>>> Dan
>>
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Re: Reading text files

[David Squance]

Dan,
Thanks for the reply.  I'm only attempting to read from a file, not write
to it, but is there a reason that doesn't work when the file is on a CD?
This is part of the script I'm using:

  set the itemDelimiter to "/"
  repeat
answer file "Choose the team name:"
if the result is "cancel" then exit mouseup
put it into tfilename
put the last item of it into teamname
  -- 'teamname' holds the file's name with no extension that's
obvious
   ,,,
some stuff to determine the destination fld
   ,,,
open file tfilename
repeat for 200
  read from file tfilename until return

  etc.

It *is* working from the standalone, but not when all of it is on a CD.
I checked over the entry in the docs you mentioned, but there were no
obvious hints when 'answer file' is used--it's just referred to as a way
of finding the correct file path.  I wouldn't normally run it from a CD,
but I don't want to install it on the Windows computer I'm using for
testing, and if it won't work at home on my Mac, it won't likely work on
a PC.
Dave

>I'm not 100% sure what might be going on here. It's not clear what you
>mean when you say it doesn't work in a standalone.
>
>Two possible leads to follow based on my experience.
>
>First, if you're opening the files for reading and writing and they
>reside on a CD (locked media), there may be some strange interaction
>going on there.
>
>Second, file pathing is crucial and not always straightforward (at
>least I haven't found it to be so). Particularly when you bundle as a
>standalone and the text files are included in the bundle file pathing
>is not what you expect it to be from your IDE experience. There are
>some notes on this in the docs under "Why can't Revolution find a file
>I specified?" Note particularly the defaultFolder stuff.
>
>HTH
>
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Reading text files

[David Squance]

I have a stack which needs to read text files and place the content in a
field.  This had been working fine in the IDE with the text files and the
stack in the same folder on my hard drive (Mac OS 10.3.4), but not as a
standalone.  I switched to the answer file approach, and got it to work
with the standalone, but it still doesn't read the files working from a CD.

I want it to work from the CD so I can test the Windows version.  Is there
some inherent reason it won't work when all the components are on a CD?

Any suggestions gratefully received.
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RE: Special character

[David Squance]

Yes, thanks.  I'll just have to hope that most users (if there are any)
will have Symbol.  Most potential users will be on PCs, so I want to use
what most will have available.  The fld never has any normal text, so it's
easy to set the textfont to Symbol or whatever and leave it there.

>Well, there isn't one in "normal" fonts (like Arial, etc.). However if
>you're using Symbol or Wingdings, there are checkmarks:
>
>  Symbol: numToChar(214) - which matches the option-V in Mac
>  Wingdings: numToChar(252) - which matches numToChar(18) in Charcoal on a
>Mac
>
>HTH,
>
>Ken Ray
>Sons of Thunder Software
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>
>
>> -Original Message-----
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
>> David Squance
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 10:59 PM
>> To: How to use Revolution
>> Subject: Special character
>>
>>
>> Greetings Group,
>> I was testing a standalone (done on a Mac) on Windows XP
>> earlier today, and discovered that a familiar character
>> (option-v to make a checkmark) was something quite different
>> on Windows.  Can someone give me the ASCII number or whatever
>> I need for a checkmark to appear instead of the sparkler (or
>> whatever it is)? Dave
>>
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RE: Special character

[David Squance]

Thanks for the reply.  However, I'm still a tad confused.  I'm doing this
via script, not keyboard.  At present the script says

  put "ˆ" into fld "xxx"  -- I realize that my checkmark may look weird
because of varying email programs

So if I set the font for the fld to symbol and use

  put "xD6" into fld "xxx"

will a checkmark appear? I don't have a PC around to test with at the moment.
Dave

> "v" or alt-221A in Arial(though it never worked.)
>
> or xD6 in Symbol...
>
>the windoze equivalent to the mac keyboard is
>C:\WINNT\System32\charmap.exe
>
>MS standards... ;(
>
>
>> -Original Message-
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>> Squance
>> Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 05:59
>> To: How to use Revolution
>> Subject: Special character
>>
>>
>> Greetings Group,
>> I was testing a standalone (done on a Mac) on Windows XP earlier
>> today, and
>> discovered that a familiar character (option-v to make a checkmark) was
>> something quite different on Windows.  Can someone give me the
>> ASCII number
>> or whatever I need for a checkmark to appear instead of the sparkler (or
>> whatever it is)?
>> Dave
>>
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Special character

[David Squance]

Greetings Group,
I was testing a standalone (done on a Mac) on Windows XP earlier today, and
discovered that a familiar character (option-v to make a checkmark) was
something quite different on Windows.  Can someone give me the ASCII number
or whatever I need for a checkmark to appear instead of the sparkler (or
whatever it is)?
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Distribution builder hang-up

[David Squance]

Hello Group,
I decided a little while ago to try out the new standalone builder
(RR2.2.1), not having done much at all with Rev for awhile, except tweak a
particular project.  After it appeared to hang for some time, I force quit,
and went back to 2.1.2 with which I've had no problem (with the
distribution builder).  When it took several minutes to deal with
'profiles', I concluded that the earlier attempt was also not really
stopped, just very slow.  I eventually got a build completed.  Out of
curiosity, I clicked on the Profiles tab, and got the beachball cursor for
about 4 minutes before the window appeared.  Can anyone tell me what's
going on? [OS10.3.4]
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Re: Font and Font Size . . .

[David Squance]

>Can someone please help me:  Since my standalone app will have a lot of
>text editing, I want to allow the user to change font and font size.  I
>know how to build the menus but I don't know how to script it.  Any
>help will be greatly appreciated.
>
>Thanks, Roger

You may have some better replies from more experienced Revers, but this is
what I've done:
I created a list field to hold the font names I wanted available and a
button to show that field.  The field has the following script:

on mouseup
  put the value of the clickline into cline
  set the textfont of fld "data" to cline
  put cline into fld "dfont"
  hide fld "fontlist"
end mouseup

the field "dfont" shows the currently active font.

Something very similar is set up for the text size.  The field with the
choices has this script:

on mouseup
  put the value of the clickline into cline
  put cline into fld "fontsize"
  set the textheight of fld "data" to 12
  hide fld "sizelist"
end mouseup

Again, the field "fontsize" shows the current size and the field "sizelist"
is hidden until a button shows it and holds the choices you want available.

HTH
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Re: Sorting marked cards

[David Squance]

>--- David Squance <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I have a stack with a number of active cards and a
>> few 'spares' which are
>> like templates.  The active cards are marked.  I
>> have a button which sorts
>> the cards by a particular field (empty on the
>> spares).  The sort button is
>> expected to only sort the active cards--the script
>> says "sort marked cards
>> "  The docs say "The sort command is a stable
>> sort. This means that if
>> the sortKey for two cards is the same, sorting does
>> not change their order
>> "  Does this not apply to the mark property?
>> The cards with the empty
>> sort field are coming first, which is not what I
>> want.
>> Dave
>>
>
>Hi Dave,
>
>I think the engine is evaluating this alphabetically,
>where 'false' is smaller than 'true' -- try sort
>descending.
>
>Hope this helped,
>
>Jan Schenkel.

Thanks for the reply.  I did use descending, but then the 'active' cards
are in the reverse order to what I want.  Mainly, I asked because I was
wondering about the mark(ed) property and whether or not it was supposed to
be considered in a sort.  IOW, is there any difference between
 sort stack "xxx" by fld "whatever"  and
 sort  marked cards of stack "xxx" by fld "whatever"

I've used a hidden fld to sort by to work around it.
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Sorting marked cards

[David Squance]

I have a stack with a number of active cards and a few 'spares' which are
like templates.  The active cards are marked.  I have a button which sorts
the cards by a particular field (empty on the spares).  The sort button is
expected to only sort the active cards--the script says "sort marked cards
..."  The docs say "The sort command is a stable sort. This means that if
the sortKey for two cards is the same, sorting does not change their order
..."  Does this not apply to the mark property?  The cards with the empty
sort field are coming first, which is not what I want.
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Re: Card cloning

[David Squance]

>On May 3, 2004, at 12:04 PM, David Squance wrote:
>
>> I'm having trouble with cloning a card from within a script again.  It
>> works fine from the message box, but nothing happens when the script
>> hits
>> "clone this card".  When I had this problem awhile ago, creating a new
>> card
>> and pasting the controls on to it solved the problem, but not this
>> time.  I
>> even created a new substack, since there was only the one card, but no
>> luck.  This whole project was an import from HC, originally, and I had
>> assumed that the problem started there.  Anyone know if RR2.2 is any
>> better
>> on this?  I've stuck with 2.1.2 for the time being. (OS 10.3.3)
>> Dave
>>
>
>Are there any groups on the card you are trying to clone?
>
>Try the following in your script:
>
>lock messages
>clone card "card-to-be-cloned"
>unlock messages
>
>There is a known bug that should be fixed by 2.3.

Thanks for the suggestion, Mark, but it didn't work.  There used to be a
group, but that disappeared in the process of creating a new stack and
pasting the controls from the old one while trying to solve the problem.
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Card cloning

[David Squance]

I'm having trouble with cloning a card from within a script again.  It
works fine from the message box, but nothing happens when the script hits
"clone this card".  When I had this problem awhile ago, creating a new card
and pasting the controls on to it solved the problem, but not this time.  I
even created a new substack, since there was only the one card, but no
luck.  This whole project was an import from HC, originally, and I had
assumed that the problem started there.  Anyone know if RR2.2 is any better
on this?  I've stuck with 2.1.2 for the time being. (OS 10.3.3)
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Shading in Windows

[David Squance]

Hi,
I've been looking at a project which I want to release for Windows
(developed with OS X) using the windows look and feel.  There are several
scrolling fields on one card which are empty or partially so part of the
time.  The scroll bar area under windows is a rather dark grey, though it
looks quite nice in the OS X environment.  Is there some way of changing
the background of the scroll bar so that it is appears white in windows?
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Re: printing from Runrev - another person with same request

[David Squance]

Thanks for the reply, Bill.  I downloaded both CutePDF and the converter,
and have included them with my app on a CD.  However, being a Mac guy, I'm
not sure how it will work from here.  I tried the pdf route under OS X, and
printing the result worked well.  What do I need to do in Rev to activate
CutePDF when the print option is selected?  I noticed both CutePDF and the
Converter had .exe extensions.  Will they start up automatically with 'open
printer'?

>I've used CutePDF for Windows with great success. Their basic PDF
>creator version is free.
>
>Bill Vlahos


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Re: The opposite of save?

[David Squance]

>I am sure this must be a simple question... If I save a stack using the save
>stack command, how can I later read that stack back in?
>
>doug
>

Is this in the IDE or a standalone?  If you just save a stack, it should
still be staring you in the face.  If you close and remove from memory, it
needs to be re-opened, as when starting from scratch.  If it's in the IDE
you can check the Application Browser in the Tools menu to see if it's
still active and access from there.  If you want to script it to be the
active stack (and it hasn't been removed from memory) use
'toplevel stack "xyz"'
HTH
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Still having printing problems (XP)

[David Squance]

I need to know if I can expect to get the font size to change from an
apparent default of 14 when printing.

The docs say:

"By default, the value of printTextSize is 14. A handler can set the
property, but the new setting has no effect."

Does this mean all printing will be 14 point?  Seems crazy, but that's
what's happening to me (XP only--my Mac seems to have retained WYSISWYG).

The docs also say about textsize:  "Specifies the point size of text
displayed by an object."  Is the word "displayed" meant to imply that it
doesn't affect printing?

Thanks for any enlightenment.
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Re: Printing question for Windows people pt 2

[David Squance]

>I use Courier New
>
>-Chipp

Thanks for the reply, Chipp.  Courier New is giving me what I need as far
as the font goes, however, I can't get the text size to vary when it
prints.  The fields which print show different sizes, but it all prints in
14 point on the XP.  On my Mac, the size changes work fine.

I checked the same workstation with Word and a couple of sizes of Courier
New and it was as expected.  Is there anything else I need to do within the
script?

The relevant part is:

  put the value of the clickline into cline
  set the textsize of fld "data" to cline
  set the textheight of fld "data" to cline

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Windows question

[David Squance]

Woops.  Forgot one.  I used an open printing with dialog, and that works
fine in the IDE and standalone on my Mac, but no dialog appears on the XP.
Is there some undocumented difference there?
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Question for Windows people

[David Squance]

I need my little project to work under XP, and need a little help, being a
Mac guy.  First, when the build only shows the one .exe file, will the
substack allow changes to be saved?  The engine is supposed to be attached
to a splash screen mainstack, and the substack is hidden inside somewhere.
I know it doesn't appear under OSX, but I need to be sure it will behave as
needed under Windows.

Second, I need non-proportional fonts.  I had thought Courier was
ubiquitous, but either it's been supplanted by Courier New, or was just
left out when stuff was installed on that PC.  Are there any others I can
be almost guaranteed will be there?  Monaco doesn't appear to be.  On my
Mac, Courier New appears very faint in Rev, though it's fine in Appleworks.
Does anyone know what will happen with it in XP and a standalone?  Courier
New 12 point appears very slightly larger than Courier (I have both on my
Mac), but the difference is not significant.
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Re: Printing problem

[David Squance]

>>
>>open printing with dialog
>>print this card
>>close printing
>>
>>In the dialog that appears, there is a button at the bottom that says
>>"Print to PDF". Click that and it will print to a file on disk instead
>>of to your printer. If this works and you get a successful printout,
>>then chances are there is something about your print driver that doesn't
>>like printing stacks.
>
>This worked.  I got a pdf file and it didn't freeze.
>
>>The above script gives the dialog I think you mean. Have you changed
>>printers or updated the driver since the problem started?
>
>No.
>
>>How about the version of Rev you are using; did you recently change to the
>>OS X
>>version from the classic version? Do you have OS X drivers installed for
>>the Epson, or just the classic drivers?
>
>No recent changes, and I'm sure I loaded the OS X driver when I upgraded
>from OS 9.  I don't think I'd get the OS X dialog without it.  It's totally
>different from the OS 9.  However, I'll download a new one and reinstall.
>Thanks so much, Jacque.  You've been very helpful (and patient.)
>Dave

Reinstalling the Epson driver from the OS X CD solved the problem.
Sometimes computers drive me crazy.
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Re: Printing problem

[David Squance]

>
>open printing with dialog
>print this card
>close printing
>
>In the dialog that appears, there is a button at the bottom that says
>"Print to PDF". Click that and it will print to a file on disk instead
>of to your printer. If this works and you get a successful printout,
>then chances are there is something about your print driver that doesn't
>like printing stacks.

This worked.  I got a pdf file and it didn't freeze.

>The above script gives the dialog I think you mean. Have you changed
>printers or updated the driver since the problem started?

No.

>How about the version of Rev you are using; did you recently change to the
>OS X
>version from the classic version? Do you have OS X drivers installed for
>the Epson, or just the classic drivers?

No recent changes, and I'm sure I loaded the OS X driver when I upgraded
from OS 9.  I don't think I'd get the OS X dialog without it.  It's totally
different from the OS 9.  However, I'll download a new one and reinstall.
Thanks so much, Jacque.  You've been very helpful (and patient.)
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Re: Printing problem

[David Squance]

>On 2/25/04 11:43 PM, David Squance wrote:
>>
>> Well, I remembered a short while ago seeing in the docs that an area of a
>> card can be specified for printing, eg 0,0 to 500,300 (or the mouseloc, in
>> their example).  So I dumped the mask button and tried that.  No joy.  Any
>> more suggestions gratefully received.
>
>Have you tried isolating the problem to see if it is the printer driver
>or actually the stack? I guess the next thing I'd try is to print to a
>PDF file. If that works, then it would be the print driver causing the
>hang.
>
>You'll have to show the print dialog to print to PDF, if your scipt
>isn't doing that already.
>
>How about other stacks? Can you print from one of those okay?

I tried printing a card from the previous project [the one you'd helped me
with the cloning problem] and had the same problem.  This is a recent
problem.  I printed successfully from both projects until a couple of days
ago.  I haven't tested printing with another printer or on a different
computer/platform since the hang up probem started.  I don't know how to
set things to print to a pdf file.  My printer driver (all I get with the
'answer printer' command) has very little control. (It's an Epson 740i and
I can't even select black and white).  The page setup only appears to be
available when printing fields.  Printing cards is not mentioned in the
docs under 'revShowPrintDialog'.  I don't have any problem printing from
other apps, though most of them are classic, and the dialog is much better
(IMHO).
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Re: Printing problem

[David Squance]

>>On 2/25/04 11:43 PM, David Squance wrote:
>>>
>>> Well, I remembered a short while ago seeing in the docs that an area of a
>>> card can be specified for printing, eg 0,0 to 500,300 (or the mouseloc, in
>>> their example).  So I dumped the mask button and tried that.  No joy.  Any
>>> more suggestions gratefully received.
>>
>>Have you tried isolating the problem to see if it is the printer driver
>>or actually the stack? I guess the next thing I'd try is to print to a
>>PDF file. If that works, then it would be the print driver causing the
>>hang.
>>
>>You'll have to show the print dialog to print to PDF, if your scipt
>>isn't doing that already.
>>
>>How about other stacks? Can you print from one of those okay?
>
>I tried printing a card from the previous project [the one you'd helped me
>with the cloning problem] and had the same problem.  This is a recent
>problem.  I printed successfully from both projects until a couple of days
>ago.  I haven't tested printing with another printer or on a different
>computer/platform since the hang up probem started.  I don't know how to
>set things to print to a pdf file.  My printer driver (all I get with the
>'answer printer' command) has very little control. (It's an Epson 740i and
>I can't even select black and white).  The page setup only appears to be
>available when printing fields.  Printing cards is not mentioned in the
>docs under 'revShowPrintDialog'.  I don't have any problem printing from
>other apps, though most of them are classic, and the dialog is much better
>(IMHO).
>Dave

Hi again,
Sorry for being so thick on the print dialog.  I guess I just haven't cared
enough to check all the  options in the Jaguar version of the driver for my
printer.  I see now how to do some of that--like the pdf and b/w.  However,
it may be that it is OS 10.3.2 which is the root of the problem, because I
downloaded a classic copy of Rev (also 2.1.2) and it printed without
crashing.  Odd.  Now I'm curious if a windows build under OS9 will give me
Courier fonts on printing.  Will test it Friday or Saturday.
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Re: Printing problem

[David Squance]

>>On 2/25/04 3:31 PM, David Squance wrote:
>>
>>> One of the two problems is that Rev is freezing every time I attempt to
>>> print a card.  I downloaded a fresh copy of RR2.1.2 and it made no
>>> difference.  I can only assume that it is something I've done.  It started
>>> with my current project--a very simple one card stack.  I'm trying to print
>>> the content of a couple dozen fields in a sort of contrived array with a
>>> simple "print this card" statement in a button.  The various buttons, etc
>>> are masked and the showborder for each field is set to false first. It all
>>> appears to work as expected, and prints, but shortly after the cursor quits
>>> flashing and the colour wheel starts spinning.  Help!
>>
>>What do you mean when you say the buttons are "masked"? I've hit a
>>problem in the past where overlaying a field and an image caused print
>>problems. Are you placing something over the buttons? What happens if
>>you just hide the buttons instead?
>>
>>I'm assuming from the "colour wheel" reference that you are running OS
>>X, right?
>
>Yes. OS 10.3.2.  I'll try the 'hide' route.  I was just being lazy, having
>no idea that that could cause a problem.  I've always used 'hide' before,
>but because of the card layout, it seemed much simpler just to create a
>dummy button that covered everything I didn't want to print.
>Thanks for the suggestion.
>Dave

Well, I remembered a short while ago seeing in the docs that an area of a
card can be specified for printing, eg 0,0 to 500,300 (or the mouseloc, in
their example).  So I dumped the mask button and tried that.  No joy.  Any
more suggestions gratefully received.
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Re: Printing problem

[David Squance]

I see.  I guess I wasn't clear enough before.  There's no cycling.  It just
prints the card (there's only one in the stack) after hiding what I don't
want to print.  Also nothing is waiting to happen after the print, so I
can't see how timing could be an issue.  Do you think there should be some
sort of wait command before the script ends?
Thanks, anyhow.
Dave

>I assume to get the contents you must go through each field??? if not
>then there is not loop.
>
>Timing after a print command is what I meant. It is always best to
>allow time for these things to complete.
>
>Tom
>
>
>>  I'm trying to print
>> the content of a couple dozen fields in a sort of contrived array with
>> a
>> simple "print this card" statement in a button
>On Feb 25, 2004, at 8:07 PM, David Squance wrote:
>
>>> You probably have a timing issue that you are not allowing enough time
>>> in your loop for rev to put the item to be printed to collect and then
>>> send to your printer.
>>>
>>> Check out your loop and with messages etc.
>>>
>> Thanks for the reply.  I don't understand it, however.  What loop?  The
>> script masks the buttons, turns off the borders, prints the card,
>> turns on
>> the borders and that's it.  And what does "and with messages" mean?  I
>> had
>> a look at the message watcher while it crashed, and there was nothing
>> there
>> that gave any clues.
>> Dave
>>
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Re: Printing problem

[David Squance]

>On 2/25/04 3:31 PM, David Squance wrote:
>
>> One of the two problems is that Rev is freezing every time I attempt to
>> print a card.  I downloaded a fresh copy of RR2.1.2 and it made no
>> difference.  I can only assume that it is something I've done.  It started
>> with my current project--a very simple one card stack.  I'm trying to print
>> the content of a couple dozen fields in a sort of contrived array with a
>> simple "print this card" statement in a button.  The various buttons, etc
>> are masked and the showborder for each field is set to false first. It all
>> appears to work as expected, and prints, but shortly after the cursor quits
>> flashing and the colour wheel starts spinning.  Help!
>
>What do you mean when you say the buttons are "masked"? I've hit a
>problem in the past where overlaying a field and an image caused print
>problems. Are you placing something over the buttons? What happens if
>you just hide the buttons instead?
>
>I'm assuming from the "colour wheel" reference that you are running OS
>X, right?

Yes. OS 10.3.2.  I'll try the 'hide' route.  I was just being lazy, having
no idea that that could cause a problem.  I've always used 'hide' before,
but because of the card layout, it seemed much simpler just to create a
dummy button that covered everything I didn't want to print.
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Re: Printing problem

[David Squance]

>You probably have a timing issue that you are not allowing enough time
>in your loop for rev to put the item to be printed to collect and then
>send to your printer.
>
>Check out your loop and with messages etc.
>
Thanks for the reply.  I don't understand it, however.  What loop?  The
script masks the buttons, turns off the borders, prints the card, turns on
the borders and that's it.  And what does "and with messages" mean?  I had
a look at the message watcher while it crashed, and there was nothing there
that gave any clues.
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Printing problem

[David Squance]

Having received no response to my previous post, I'll simplify my query.
One of the two problems is that Rev is freezing every time I attempt to
print a card.  I downloaded a fresh copy of RR2.1.2 and it made no
difference.  I can only assume that it is something I've done.  It started
with my current project--a very simple one card stack.  I'm trying to print
the content of a couple dozen fields in a sort of contrived array with a
simple "print this card" statement in a button.  The various buttons, etc
are masked and the showborder for each field is set to false first. It all
appears to work as expected, and prints, but shortly after the cursor quits
flashing and the colour wheel starts spinning.  Help!
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Printer problems

[David Squance]

Hi Group,
I have a few odditities with a very simple stack.  It is one card, a couple
dozen fields and a half dozen buttons.  The main purpose is to print most
of the fields.  I use 'print this card', having masked everything except
the text of the fields to be printed.  Everything was fine on my Mac
(OS10.3.2).  When I built for Windows, I discovered that the printed font
is nothing like what is on the screen.  I had used Courier, since I thought
that was about as generic as it gets.  The Windows machine I sent the
standalone to is XP.  Is it possible the printer (a laserprinter--HP, I
think) doesn't have courier?  Anything else I've missed?

Since fiddling around on my Mac looking for solutions, I did find something
about the default textfont for the stack, and set that to courier as well,
but the fields to be printed all had the font specified.  The next problem
is that since the last few changes (mostly a little shifting for printing
position), every time I print, I get the dreaded colour wheel and have to
force quit.  What's going on?
TIA
Dave


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Re: Andy's ... no longer

[David Squance]

Is there any chance that the keeper of the list archives will update
the subject line of this thread?  I've been trashing these for a few
days now, without looking at them (especially after getting 100 or
so in one day) and now I find useful info with no connection to the
given subject.
Dave

>>At 10:21 AM -0800 2/10/04, Judy Perry wrote:
>>>I was going to ask about this very solution that Jeanne suggests:
>>>
>>>How to do it?
>>>
>>>Sorry if this is a dumb question...
>>
>>Not at all.
>>
>>There are various ways to do it, but here's one:
>>
>>1. Create a stack with one button. In the button script, put the
>>handlers that you would put in the Home stack if this were HC.
>>
>>2. In the stack script, put
>>  on openStack
>>if the name of button "My Button" \
>>   is not among the lines of the backscripts
>>then insert the script of button "My Button" into back
>>  end openStack
>>
>>3. Save the stack in the Plugins folder.
>>
>>4. Choose Development menu > Plugins > Plugin Settings, choose your
>>plugin from the menu at the top, then choose "Revolution starts up"
>>and "invisible". (For this kind of plugin, you don't need to choose
>>any messages to send.)
>>--
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>
>What is the advantage of inserting backscript as opposed to just
>start using? Aside of course from the difference that I can insert
>script of any object as a backscript.
>
>Robert
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Re: The card is grey on printing!!

[David Squance]

I had this same problem, but solved it by going to the colors and patterns
in the card inspector.  I clicked on the square for background in the
'color column', chose crayons from the list and snow from the color
choices.  After that the grey was gone from the card.  This situation may
be a little different in that I was printing cards, not fields.
Dave

>Jan and François,
>
>I'm also having this problem when printing a field from OSX. Here's my
>button script:
>
>on mouseUp
>  put the backgroundColor of cd fld "FileContents" into tBC
>  set the backgroundColor of cd fld "FileContents" to white
>  revPrintField ("field" && quote & "FileContents" & quote)
>  set the backgroundColor of cd fld "FileContents" to tBC
>end mouseUp
>
>The field _still_ prints in a gray rectangle. I checked the button syntax
>by setting the field to BLACK and while the field flashes black for a
>second while the print command runs, the printout is _still_ black text on
>a gray background. Is this a bug? Any advice on how to get the field to
>print black text on a pure white background?
>
>TIA...
>
>joe.


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Re: find (and table fields)

[David Squance]

>Hi Dave,
>
>As the text is stored in a tab-delimited manner, you
>can get at an individual cell quite easily :
>--
>  set the itemDelimiter to tab
>  get item 3 of line 4 of field "Foobar"
>--

Thanks, Jan.  That's what I needed.
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Re: find (and table fields)

[David Squance]

And while our gurus are thinking about table fields, coincidentally, I've
been trying to find the syntax for getting the contents of a cell in a
table field.  The glossary says a cell is specified by its column and row
numbers (eg: 1,2), but playing with a table and the message box, I
can't 'put' the contents of cell.  Is there simple syntax for this?
Dave

>Hi,
>I'm trying to make a find field search in a Table field (according the
>instructions in the doc.) some how it doesn't work.
>example: I have a closed curser query result list in a table field and
>made a search field to search according the text entered it should go
>to the correct line and select it.
>For some reason it doesn't work (ignore find , is off)
>
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Re: Cloning oddity

[David Squance]

>--- David Squance <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I'm not saying there's corruption.  I'm just looking
>> for any suggestion as
>> to how it might be diagnosed.  The debugger is no
>> help, as the script just
>> stops running.  The card is cloned--a second copy is
>> in place, but the next
>> line of the script is not executed.  That line just
>> increases a variable by
>> 1, which would show in the variable watcher, if it
>> happened.
>> Dave
>>
>
>Hi Dave,
>
>Sorry to come so lae to the discussion but this
>reminds me of a problem I had last year : I cloned a
>stack, and the rest of the script didn't get executed.
>
>I narrowed it down to one of the messages in the
>preOpenStack/openStack/preOpenCard/openCard chain
>coming to a grinding halt when passed all the way to
>the engine.
>
>However, adding a 'lock messages' didn't solve the
>problem in the IDE, but it worked perfectly fine in
>the standalone ; so in the end, I decided to just
>suspend the IDE whenever I needed to run the script.
>
>Maybe I should spend some time putting together a good
>trouble stack.
>
>Jan Schenkel.

Thanks for the reply.  I thought suspending the IDE would
avoid the problem, too, since the standalone works fine.
However, it was even worse, as I had to force quit Rev.
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Re: Cloning oddity

[David Squance]

>Thomas McGrath III wrote:
>
>> On Jan 24, 2004, at 3:22 PM, David Squance wrote:
>>> I have a script which stops on one step which involves cloning a card.
>>> There's no error message.

[snip]

>> Also, the stack became corrupted/sick and I could not delete the
>> trouble clone. I had to go back to a saved version and try again.
>
>If I recall correctly, no corruption took place

[snip]

> Richard Gaskin

I'm not saying there's corruption.  I'm just looking for any suggestion as
to how it might be diagnosed.  The debugger is no help, as the script just
stops running.  The card is cloned--a second copy is in place, but the next
line of the script is not executed.  That line just increases a variable by
1, which would show in the variable watcher, if it happened.
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Cloning oddity

[David Squance]

I have a script which stops on one step which involves cloning a card.
There's no error message.  The same script works fine to a certain point,
cloning other cards, but when it reaches a certain one, won't go any
further.  The standalone (OS X, same as development) works fine.  I tried
running it in the IDE with suppressing (or is it suspending) the
development environment, but I had to force quit Rev.  Any suggestions?


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Re: stack opening visual effects?

[David Squance]

Tom,
When I tested it, I made a new stack just for the purpose.  A was the
mainstack and B a substack.  My guess would be that the error came from
other complicating factors.  The window type may have an effect.  I haven't
used visual effects myself, except in HC.
Dave

>I tried the
>visual effect wipe down
>go stack "B" in window "A"
>and got an error:
>type - go:error in window expression
>
>Does it matter that stack "B" is a substack of "A"?
>
>Tom
>


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Re: stack opening visual effects?

[David Squance]

>On 1/24/04 2:49 PM, "David Squance" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>> Are there any nice stack opening/closing visual effects available, like
>>>zoom
>>> in and zoom out?
>>>
>>> doug
>>
>> Have you looked at "visual effect" in the docs?
>
>I thought that was just for card in a stack.
>
>From the docs:
The visual effect command affects only navigation within a window. If you
want to create a transition effect when moving between stacks, use the
go...in window form of the go command:

  visual effect wipe down
  go stack "Index" in window "Part 2" -- replaces stack on screen

In other words, if you have a stack "A" and a stack "B" you can
go stack "B" in window "A"
and show some visual effect.

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Re: stack opening visual effects?

[David Squance]

>Are there any nice stack opening/closing visual effects available, like zoom
>in and zoom out?
>
>doug

Have you looked at "visual effect" in the docs?

Dave


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OT: CD Burner woes

[David Squance]

Hi Group,
I hesitate to bring this up to this list, since it's OT, but there's been
some discussion of CD burning, so it's close.  I'm looking for some advice
re my Que external which hasn't worked since I left OS 9.1.  As a hobbyist,
I'm not a high-volume distribution producer, and my first project was just
for one local situation, and I managed with a superdrive (single platform).
But now I want to burn CDs.  I'm running OS10.3.2, the drive is a QPS 525
(USB).  Is there any hope of getting a driver for it that will work?  Or
should I bite the bullet and get a new one?
TIA, Dave


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Re: A couple of very basic Rev object questions

[David Squance]

I've been using   toplevel stack "stackName"   successfully, as long as the
stack "stackName" is open, ie. in memory, but not showing.

I don't know if your syntax is incorrect or if there's some other problem.
Dave

>I did find one error occurring though. I had an "go stack" command in my
>"openCard" handler. When I moved the handler to the stack script that line
>causes a repeated error (I tried changing it to an openStack handler
>instead, but the same error occurs):
>
> executing at 12:01:49 PM
>TypeHandler: error in statement
>Objectmainstack
>Linego stack "onlineStack" as topLevel
>HintopenStack
>
>
>That line causes no problem when in the card script instead.
>
>Any idea why?
>
>doug


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Re: Field settings

[David Squance]

Yes, that was it.  I found two groups I hadn't remembered were there,
leftover from when I originally built the stack in HC.  One appears to have
no purpose.  Nothing obvious is affected by making it invisible, but it's
nested, so I can't remove it.  I think I'll have to rebuild that card/stack
from scratch.  Thanks, Sarah.

>David, this is often caused by a section of a GROUP overlapping the
>field.
>Although the individual members of a group are probably not overlapping
>your field, if you select the group itself, you may find that the
>rectangle of the group does intrude on to your field. Move the group
>behind the field and the editing cursor should re-appear.
>
>Cheers,
>Sarah


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Re: Field settings

[David Squance]

>At 12:39 pm -0700 15/1/04, David Squance wrote:
>>How can I find out what invisible settings a particular field has?  I have
>>6 fields on a card which should have identical settings (except for
>>location and text content).  Looking through the Object inspector, there
>>appears to be no difference, yet I can get a text editing cursor(blinking
>>vertical line) in 3 of the fields, but not in the others.  Locking the
>>fields and then unlocking them made no difference.
>>Thanks,
>>Dave
>
>Are any of these fields overlapping, among themselves or other
>objects?  That can cause the blinking cursor not to show.
>
>Cheers
>Dave

No.  I'm able to drag in all the fields, and highlight text.

and from Richard:

>> How can I find out what invisible settings a particular field has?

>See 4W Props in RevNet.

I got to a suggestion from Sarah to someone else first and used the
SmartProperties plugin.  I don't know what altld is, but the fields are all
different, anyhow.  The only differences appear to be quite innocuous, like
the layer, content, id, name and rect.  The textheight was different on
some, so I made them all the same, but it made no difference.
Still stumped.
Dave


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Field settings

[David Squance]

How can I find out what invisible settings a particular field has?  I have
6 fields on a card which should have identical settings (except for
location and text content).  Looking through the Object inspector, there
appears to be no difference, yet I can get a text editing cursor(blinking
vertical line) in 3 of the fields, but not in the others.  Locking the
fields and then unlocking them made no difference.
Thanks,
Dave


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Re: Clearing spaces from lines of a field

[David Squance]

>On 1/14/04 9:01 PM, David Squance wrote:
>
>> In the process of trying to build a "cleaning script" I tried the following:
>> Type a few short lines (with returns) in a field.  After line 1 add a few
>> spaces.  Clicking in the empty space to the right of the visible characters
>> leaves the cursor the expected distance from the last visible letter.
>> Using the delete key removes the spaces as expected and similar clicking
>> leaves the cursor beside the last letter.  However:
>>
>> In the multiple line message box, I put:
>>
>> repeat
>> if last char of line 1 of fld "theField" is " " then
>> delete last char of line 1 of fld "theField"
>> else exit repeat
>>  end repeat
>> put line 1 of fld "theField"&"<"
>>
>> which produces:
>>
>> the text<
>>
>> Then in the single line message box, I put:
>>
>> put ">"&( line 1 of fld "theField")&"<"
>>
>> which produces:
>>
>>
>>>the text<
>>
>>
>> I went back and forth a few times, and it made no difference.  I can still
>> click beside the line of text and have the cursor stay out the distance of
>> the added spaces.  Any clues as to what is going on?
>
>I followed the recipe, but I can't reproduce it. I always get ">the
>text<" regardless of which message box view I use.

And are the spaces gone in the actual field, too?

I found this originally in a project, and wondered if it was something
peculiar to the fields there, but it was the same in a brand new stack and
field.  [OS 10.3.2, RR 2.1.2]
Dave


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