Neural Networks?

2005-09-27 Thread Eric Engle
I'm sorry for the double message but I know how important subject headers are.
I apologize in all events as a) I may have supplied a specific header in my
last message or b) I probably didn't.

Anyway, yeah, I'm looking for neural network stacks. Any leads are appreciated!



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Neural network stacks?

2005-09-27 Thread Eric Engle
Hi,

I'm starting to learn about neural networks and hoping some stacks are out
there somewhere. Any leads are appreciated!

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java?

2005-09-16 Thread Eric Engle
My current development strategy is to use hypercard for classic and then port
to metacard for windows and os x. It seems a workable strategy. However I keep
hoping for transcript as a scripting language (a tag like 

Hosting Stacks?

2005-07-04 Thread Eric Engle
Does anyone know a good free webhost that allows stacks and standalones to be
uploaded? 

Neither yahoo nor yahoo briefcase allow me to upload stacks (or standalones) 
:(

I have some goodies i would like to share :)

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re: compileIt for Revolution?

2005-06-24 Thread Eric Engle
How about this:

on eq @x,y -- note x is by reference
   put y into x
end eq

You can use that in the order you asked for like this:

on mouseUp
   put 0 into b
   eq b,7
   put b -- puts 7
   eq b,b+3
   put b -- puts 10
end mouseUp

Does Transcript allow pointers?!? 
If so, big news to me (new in latest engine or something?!?)
I tested your handler without the pointer symbol (@) and it seemed to work.

If I were to do it that way I would 

function equals theVar,theVal
  put theVal into theVar
  return theVar
end equals

then in the script

equals(b,2)

does affect 2 to b. 

Both seem to work. However it is still not infixing. So its not really what I'm
looking for.

Also earlier someone suggested you could use == for assignment. I don't think
that is the case, but I am no expert in C. I thought that all languages other
than basic use two different operators for affectation and comparison to avoid
any confusion. Allowing == to operate assignments would be illogical.

I'm not sure why I refer to affectation as affectation and not assignment. I
speak French and German fluently, maybe that is why?

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re: compileIt for Revolution?

2005-06-23 Thread Eric Engle
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 10:15:28 -0400
> From: Mikey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: compileIt for Revolution?
> To: How to use Revolution 
> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> 
> > Try not to get your knickers in a twist. In case you haven't noticed,
> > hypertalk/transcript is clearly a Pascal derived language, they just got
> rid of
> > begin/end, loosely typed it, and made the operator of affectation verbose.
>   OMG that's funny.  Don't forget scoping, and the overarching
> paradigm of cards, backgrounds, stacks scripts, properties, and
> messages and an inheritence path, and the vocabulary, and the fact
> that nobody could describe what it was, and the fact that it was
> originally intended to be interpreted not compiled, and therefore DO,
> and oh hell.  You weren't serious so I don't have to add anything
> here.  I mean - really - I was pretty sure xTalk was inspired by
> COBOL's verbose syntax and...and... .  Now
> that I look at it, I'm having a hard time telling the difference
> between BASIC and LISP and APL.Dude, you slay me.
> 
> Ok, now in case you were serious (and if you were I'm sorry for
> laughing and making fun of your post) xTalk is now a legacy language
> type with expectations and conventions and philosophy.  I'm reasonably
> sure that := doesn't fit that philosophy, nor does a=b.  If you want
> compact, you need to go somewhere else.  xTalk is intentionally
> verbose.  Philosophically, I like it that way.  It means that it is
> much easier for me to read someone else's code, especially since most
> of you can't write an intelligent comment in your code to save your
> lives.
> 
> I'm going to stop reading this thread now before I REALLY get flamed.

Well, yes, that might be a good idea actually. Intelligent debates are
generally dispassionate and reasonable since intelligent people are after the
truth as opposed to stroking their ego.

You might have heard of the maxim "Fortiter in re , suaviter in modo." If not,
look it up. In any event: think about it.

Substantively, I stand by my story: xTalk is a scripting language which is
clearly derived from Pascal.

Don't take my word for it though; get a copy of think pascal (it's free) and
look at its debugger and hypercards, its script formatter and hypercards. Or,
just read wikipedia.

"HyperTalk scripts are fairly similar to written English, and use a logic
structure similar to the Pascal programming language."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HyperTalk

"HyperTalk is the scripting language of HyperCard and its clones. It is similar
in syntax to Pascal, and "includes enough object-like data structures and
programming aids to make it a quite useful development environment" (Allen
103)."
http://www.iath.virginia.edu/elab/hfl0133.html

There's even an entire article on macTech "Comparing HyperTalk to Pascal" which
says, 
"Both Pascal and HyperTalk provide powerful if-then-else control structures
with very similar syntax."
"The specification and calling of user defined functions in Pascal and
HyperTalk is almost identical."
http://www.mactech.com/articles/mactech/Vol.04/04.09/HyperTalk,Pascal/
"Based on the comparisons presented above between Pascal and HyperTalk, it
should be clear that HyperTalk is indeed a powerful language with many
similarities to Pascal."

I could keep looking, but I think I've made my point.

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re: compileIt for Revolution?

2005-06-22 Thread Eric Engle
> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 17:24:18 -0400
> From: Mikey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: the := operator (affectation)
> To: How to use Revolution 
> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> 
> How is this even a continuing topic of discussion?  Hey Japanese - I
> think Katakana is too complicated.  Let's stick to 26 symbols, ok? 
> Yeah.  I'd like that next year.  Transcript a different language.  It
> isn't Pascal or APL, or Fortran or Cobol or LISP or anything else, and
> thank goodness for that.  Do you actually ask the C++.net people for
> this special treatment, too?  Do they do anything but flame you off
> the list?  I mean - why :=?  Why not go for broke and do it the basic
> way?  = can be used for assignment and comparison, and it's less
> typing, so let's do that.
> 
> I can see someone coming from C asking for some sort of different
> syntax (uh, no), but Pascal?  Please.

Try not to get your knickers in a twist. In case you haven't noticed,
hypertalk/transcript is clearly a Pascal derived language, they just got rid of
begin/end, loosely typed it, and made the operator of affectation verbose. 

Compare the hypercard debugger to the debugger in thinkPascal just to see. The
script indenter is also clearly imported from thinkPascal.

Pascal remains important in the university world. I mean, if you're going to
sneer at pascal, why not sneer at transcript, since it is clearly a pascal
descendant and less übergeek to boot. 

So why use := ? Some people prefer pre-fixing affectation, and as I said, it is
supported in lingo which is also a pascal derived language. In fact, I know of
no other language that post-fixes affectation (put value into variable as
opposed to affect(variable, value). Hell, I'd even prefer "let variable =
value". 

Even your katakana analogy is wrong. You have 3 different scripts in japanese,
not just katakan also hirigana, and kanjii. And, surprises surprise, kanjii is
a simplified script and the other scripts are more complex and each has its
purpose.

Lingo also introduced dot syntax but still parses verbose syntax. I would never
want to see dot syntax in xTalk.

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compileIt for revolution?

2005-06-21 Thread Eric Engle
Is there any chance that Heizer/Royalsoft (or anyone else for that matter) will
make a script compiler for revolution like compileIt? 

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the := operator (affectation)

2005-06-21 Thread Eric Engle
Is there any chance that transcript will incorporate the := operator?
This is the pascal operator of affectation (put value into variable -- variable
:= value)
This operator is available in lingo. 



 
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re: search trees

2005-05-21 Thread Eric Engle


On May 21, 2005, at 8:20 AM, Eric Engle wrote:

>> Does anyone know of any implementations of depth first, breadthe 
>> first, or a*
>> tree search algorithms using transcript, metatalk, or hypertalk?

>For depth first, use the natural recursive invocation allowed in 
>Transcript. 

Sounds nice - but I have no idea what you are talking about. 

>For breadth first, ping pong between two lists of things 
to work on, copying from one to the other each generation. 

Again, this sounds nice, but I was really looking for a practical example. Of
course, I understand the theory of these searches. I'm just trying to figure
out the easiest way to implement in hypertalk or transcript.

Could you please elaborate or provide or point me to examples?

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search trees

2005-05-21 Thread Eric Engle
Does anyone know of any implementations of depth first, breadthe first, or a*
tree search algorithms using transcript, metatalk, or hypertalk? 

(for the theory behind this see:
http://www.rci.rutgers.edu/~cfs/305_html/Computation/ExhaustiveSearch_305.html)





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scientific publishing

2005-03-27 Thread Eric Engle
Hi, 

I've written a couple computer science articles. I used revolution to buil apps
to illustrate the ideas. I would like to ask if anyone has any ideas about
academic publishing in computer science. I am coming at this from social
science which is why I have less of an idea which journals to write to. 

Any suggestions? 

(Off to the acm to browse around)

thanks!

eric



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open url theurl

2004-11-12 Thread Eric Engle
In hypercard "open url theurl" will open a webbrowser and go to theurl.

How can i do this in metacard or revolution without using applescript?

i don't want to load the url into a field - i want to open a browser and go to
theurl.

thanks!



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taking a picture of the card programmatically

2004-10-21 Thread Eric Engle
I want to programmatically take a screenshot of the card.

"copy image 1 of this card" won't work for several reasons
1) that would not include a picture of the buttons or fields.
2) that would not include images 2 through n of this card.
And I have to do it programmatically, preferably cross platform so no
applescript.

Any ideas?



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Re: use-revolution Digest, Vol 13, Issue 34

2004-10-14 Thread Eric Engle
>> I would like to be able to take a picture of a card
>> and save it to the
>> clipboard.
>> 
>> I do not want to do this from applescript (cross
>> platform thing). 
>> 

>Hi Eric,

>Take a look at the 'import snapshot' and 'export
>snapshot' commands ; I'm sure that between those two
>you can create an image control with all the data ;
>then you can 'set the clipboardData[]' to update the
>clipboard.

Thank you for trying but that is not a solution; I do not want to export only
the image but an image of the card. 

For example, suppose I have 2 images on the card at different locs. Your method
would not work - and one cannot export paint with a background (I tried
grouping the images to see what would happen. Nope, not possible).

I don't just need to export an image or images, but rather their relative
positions to each other. It would also be nice if the image exported could
include pictures of fields and buttons. 



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how to take a picture of this card programmatically

2004-10-14 Thread Eric Engle
I would like to be able to take a picture of a card and save it to the
clipboard.

I do not want to do this from applescript (cross platform thing). 

In hypercard I think I could get a picture of the card fairly easily.
I am sure it is possible in revolution. 
But I have not figured out how to yet!

Any ideas? Note, I do not want to take a picture of one card, i.e. I cannot
just do this by hand.

Some syntax from hypercard that does not appear to work:

show card picture of this card
show background picture of this card
hide card picture of this card
hide background picture of this card

showpict is in the documentation, but I have not yet used it succesfully 

show image1  of this card 
hide image1 
seem to have replaced hide card picture and show card picture.

Anyway, thanks for your ieas and suggestions!



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play command / faq?

2004-09-14 Thread Eric Engle
Hi, 

I am sure this is in a faq somewhere - so maybe just point me to a faq url?

I am trying to figure out the play command. What file types can be played using
play? I tried to play an MP3 and got white noise, so I presume only .au and
maybe .wav? snd?

Thanks



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Re: Who is chuck yeager? (OT)

2004-09-03 Thread Eric Engle
The jet you are refering to is the Me-262 (messerschmitt): it was not the only
high speed jet aircraft, however it was the most reliable and produced in the
greatest quantity.

In fact, it was also the first jet to break the speed of sound. 
The first few pilots who had the misfortune to do so however were unable to
recover control of their aircraft. 
Consequently, the german air force strictly forbade flying the 262 beyond
certain speeds - also because high speed flight induced metal fatigue.
However Hans Guido Mutke did break the speed of sound and survived to tell the
tale.

Here http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schallmauer

Mutke died very recently
(http://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/mensch/0,1518,295132,00.html)

http://hans-guido-mutke.wikiverse.org/



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Question: Academic Revolution?

2004-06-15 Thread Eric Engle
I've not been following revolution lately because I've been busy. However, I am
going to be getting lab administrator priveleges. I want to convince them to
install metacard as a tool for reading/writing web pages and applications. I
want to do this to convince them that it would be worth getting a site license
for revolution. However, for it to be convincing I must be able to demonstrate:

ability of revolution to read a web page (easy)
ability of revolution to write a web page (has anyone any stacks that do this?)
ability of rev to run a cgi (I know this has been done by others)
ability of a browser to be told to open stacks with rev 
shakobox

So my questions is: are there any sites or stacks (other than one's I've
written) to read web pages, to write stacks as web pages? How do I teach my
browsers (safari, explorer, netscape) to open a stack with rev?

I really thank you for any leads, tips or information.



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XCMDs in rev

2004-04-23 Thread Eric Engle
Hi,

Will a hypercard XCMD work in OS X on mac os running revolution?

Also is there a revolution wiki anymore?




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revolution wiki?

2004-04-17 Thread Eric Engle
The revolution wiki seems down - or am I mistaken?




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autoformatting question

2004-04-07 Thread Eric Engle
I have a question about the auto-formatting function. Is there any way to use a
cmd-key to get the script to autformat? Going to the menu all the time is a
pain but no cmd key is listed to do this useful task. 

Also I just noticed: no home stack?! hm. Before I go screw up my UI and try to
hack at the runrev menubar someone tell me if there is a home stack. No
navigator palette either. And I'm having some trouble accessing scripts at the
card level in imported metacard stacks. I can get around this by using MC to
open the script and copying and pasting but I was hoping for better. Plus I'm
not seeing "copy card" "paste card" commands in the menu and sometimes the RR
menubar's navigation menu doesn't work.

Anyway I can work around these other problems. But if there is a command key
that auto-formats scripts please tell me. If home and the nav palette are
hidden but there also please tell me. Thanks!

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standalone back to stack?

2004-04-05 Thread Eric Engle
I have some MC executables I wrote; is there any way to split a stack off from
a metacard executable and read it as a stack in revolution? Suggestions?

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saving within a standalone?

2004-04-04 Thread Eric Engle
The metacard engine on windows would not allow a standalone to be modified and
saved (for reasons I've never really understood). Anyway, I expect this is the
case for revolution as well. In MC I would export the data as RTF. But again,
the issue is popping up. I'm hoping that someday Rev will allow a standalone's
contents to be changed by the user. I hope I'm wrong, correct me if I am. I've
got a workaround strategy but would rather the end user had more dynamic
control of the standalone. Ideas?

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Re: stack handler unavailable from cd script?!

2004-01-07 Thread Eric Engle
I want to thank Rob for his tips; basically this appears to have been due to a
system error or a syntax error in the parent scripts (i.e. at the stack or more
likely card script). Some lines parsed properly in hypercard, not in
revolution.

I thought it might have been memory leakage or some other arcane os problem.
However I had already cold booted to test for this before writing the list.

I'm fairly sure it must have been a syntax error due to an ommitted quotation
mark in a string - the card script had lots of string variables.

Anyway, the problem is solved: I would have written quicker to say "don't
bother answering" but figured it was too late. Anyway I needed a nights rest to
re-read the card script to check for any syntax errors. 

The only other possibility would have been "orphan code". when I have an old
handler I've modified I sometimes keep the old code so:

on mouseup
  newCode
end mouseup

oldcode
moreoldcode

the old code not being in a handler doesn't bother hypercard - though in
metacard it sometimes generates error messages. I presume it does not execute
at runtime since the oldcode is no longer in a handler.

Anyway - thanks!

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stack handler unavailable from cd script?!

2004-01-05 Thread Eric Engle
I have the most disturbing error. 
Basically I have a stack with a stack script which is being called from a card
script which card script is called from a button. 
I'm using the metacard engine, but since I have a rev license and since the
engine is the same I thought I would ask this list as well. 

In hypercard, the handlers work just fine.

However for some reason the card script cannot "see" the stack script! And acts
like there is no script!

Must I put the card script in the button script? 

I have no idea what could be the source of this error!

Any help appreciated! I'm a teacher, this is for an educational project.



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flash<-->REV<-->Director?

2003-12-15 Thread Eric Engle
Has anyone made a stack to port a rev stack to director or flash?
Can flash play inside a director stack?
Can web browsers play rev stacks? If so how?

I'm sorry for asking such newbie questions. I last looked at these issues three
to six months ago but we all know how fast computers change...

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put into with := ?

2003-12-13 Thread Eric Engle
in pascal, variable affectation is thus
x := 3;

in xTalk
put 3 into x

Would it be possible to have xTalk adopt 
:=
for affectation? I cannot break myself of the habit of writing
x=3 
which while valid basic or java/script c/++ provokes errors in xTalk.

Thanks!

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Applet in a stack?

2003-11-09 Thread Eric Engle
I know I loathe Java, and perhaps you do to. I much prefer xTalk. However I am
wondering whether MC/RR can run an applet from within a stack? I know we can
call up a browser window, and get at the applet that way. But suppose I was a
masochist and wanted to use my (or my likely someone elses) applet within my
stack. Can MC/RR do that? If not, is it planned? If not how difficult would it
be to write an XCMD or somehow access the java plugin?

Sorry if this question seems ignorant or pointless, but in my MC/RR
evangelizing this -will- be asked, and I need to have an answer. 

Oh, my digital media instructors really liked my presentation of MC/RR as a
development tool of choice for rapid cross platform development. Heh. I also
have some leads for a 3d engine that works with MC. The people developing the
engine seem talented but isolated. If anyone wants their contact info just ask
me off list. I think this would be a good feature, the ability to act as a 3d
engine front end.

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3d Revolution/MetaCard

2003-11-07 Thread Eric Engle
How can one integrate 3d animation into metacard/revolution?

(off to scour the web and the documentation)

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RR DIGITAL MEDIA PRESENTATION - help?

2003-11-04 Thread Eric Engle
I'm presenting a presentation about MC/RR on friday to my class in digital
media. Most of my work is not so visual, so I'm hoping I can borrow a stack
(with credits of course) illustrating some wowie stuff to the students.
Basically I'm trying to sell them on the idea of RR as a wonderful development
tools. 

Can someone point me to the stacks?

Thanks!

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Depth first / Breadth first tree search in xTalk

2003-11-03 Thread Eric Engle
Hi

I am looking for a script to do either a breadth first or depth first search of
a tree in xTalk. I have it in Java, but am trying to avoid porting it since I'm
a java newbie.

Thanks!

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Depth first search in RR/MC/HC?

2003-11-02 Thread Eric Engle
Does anyone have a script handy which would implement either a depth first or
breadth search on a data tree? 

I have one in Java (not mine) but would rather avoid porting it if possible.

Thanks!

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Buying Revolution in Europe

2003-07-19 Thread eric engle
I would like to buy the low end starter license for
Revolution. 

I live in Germany. I would rather pay in euros,
perhaps by postal money order. I don't have credit
cards, because I refuse to go into debt.

Is it possible to pay in Euros? To an account in
Germany?

Thanks!

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animation (was re: revjournal incentives)

2003-06-24 Thread eric engle
Well, I think Rev did a good job with its animation
tool. I do not know whether their animation system
could be modified so that each "cell" appears on a
different card and whether their animation system
would be easy to be exported as a quicktime movie. But
from my limited experience I don't think the latter is
possible - though I may be wrong.

Basically I think animation has to be exportable to
make Rev an even more useful tool. 


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RevJournal Participation Incentives

2003-06-23 Thread eric engle
Well, myself, my interests would be comparing
revolution to director. I wrote a small primer with
Samuel Rebelsky on porting javascript<-->hypertalk and
might like to do the same with revolution<-->director.

But I don't know whether this would interest RR -
would it?

I also made an animation stack using an XCMD for
hypercard. I would like maybe to port it to MC/RR. And
possibly even add a "cast" and "score" window. This is
because, as far as I can see, the Rev animation tool
won't let me export as quicktime.

So, yeah, my idea of ways to improve functionality of
MC/RR is to link them to similar existing apps (e.g.
web lingo), and exporting their files as quicktime or
flash. I would actually not go about animation the way
Rev is, and would like to know whether Rev will be
able to export the animations it does using this
format - because if not I definitely have a better one
to suggest.



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