Re: substack and systemWindow property
In this particular (windows) project, I have a mainstack and a substack, both with empty decorations...systemWindow works fine for the mainstack but NOT for the substack, which is where Sean's (most excellent) DLL came into play for me, and it's use was the only way I could get the darn substack to float... Opie Ken Ray wrote: Sean, the systemWindow property should work on Windows ... are you sure that it doesn't? If so, you should Bugzilla it... Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 7:32 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: substack and systemWindow property oddly enough they added the feature into the mac versions, but they left out the windows versions (heck they could have even used my code ;-) -Sean -Original Message- and windowTopMost...was there an easier way or a way to do it without the use of the dll? ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use- revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
substack and systemWindow property
I have a mainstack and 1 substack. In a mouseEnter handler of a field in the mainstack I show the substack. So far so good...however, when the mainstack's systemWindow property is true, and it is floating above, say, a full-screen browser window, moving the mouse in the field that shows the substack on mouseEnter does not make the substack visible (even though the substack's vis and systemWindow properties are both true). Obviously, the substack is in fact popping up, but is not visible because it is *behind* the browser window. Any ideas on what I can do to make that darn substack show visible above the (in this example) browser window?? Thanks!! Opie ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: substack and systemWindow property
I solved this problem in a way in which I didn't think I had to...but...I used the alwaysOnTop dll with the commands alwaysOnTop and windowTopMost...was there an easier way or a way to do it without the use of the dll? Ops wrote: I have a mainstack and 1 substack. In a mouseEnter handler of a field in the mainstack I show the substack. So far so good...however, when the mainstack's systemWindow property is true, and it is floating above, say, a full-screen browser window, moving the mouse in the field that shows the substack on mouseEnter does not make the substack visible (even though the substack's vis and systemWindow properties are both true). Obviously, the substack is in fact popping up, but is not visible because it is *behind* the browser window. Any ideas on what I can do to make that darn substack show visible above the (in this example) browser window?? Thanks!! Opie ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: substack and systemWindow property
AH! OK...THANK YOU Sean!! ...maybe you should charge a little $$ (now that I already have *my* hands on it :) Opie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: oddly enough they added the feature into the mac versions, but they left out the windows versions (heck they could have even used my code ;-) -Sean -Original Message- and windowTopMost...was there an easier way or a way to do it without the use of the dll? ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev on ICQ ?
of coursewhat would be lost in all this...is the *valuable* information trail that is created by the list itself...just the (valid) banter so far about which IM technology would be the one...is, well, telling...and (IMHO) proof enough that the concept, while novel and not without merit...is futile to even consider with today's technology(s) and the fruits which would become inaccessible to the list at large Opie Brian Yennie wrote: I should add as bait to many that the Jabber protocol is relatively easy to implement. A Rev chat client could easily tap into the major IM networks that way. for OSX I heartily recommend Fire http://fire.sourceforge.net/ ... very well done, overall. I use it for Jabber and AIM. Of course some functionality is lost, as mentioned, but overall I find it to be the best choice for me. Yours, Chris On Feb 28, 2004, at 7:39 PM, Ken Ray wrote: www.indigofield.com ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Serious applications
A.C.T. wrote: snip You would always have to have developers that can talk transcript, which is not as likely as finding professionals that speak C, C++, Java etc. pp. Personally I find it very hard to learn Transcript (being a stubborn Assembler/machine language/C/C++/Shellscript/PHP programmer that hasn't learned anything serious) and currently this might be the reason for me to not use Revolution at all I am a C, C++ veteran and have coded many large projects through the years. I had my hands around Transcript in a few evenings and am working on a serious project of which I had a fairly extensive demo ready in a matter of a few weeks that would have taken 6 - 12 months to code in C/C++...For me (as well as *many* others), Transcript was (by far) the easiest environment/language to learn that I've ever encountered in my 20+ year programming career. to me this is a question of productivity: I have to learn a language that does not give me any benefits over those I am already familiar with AND I would have to limit external developers to those being able to handle this language as well. With all due respect, if you haven't taken the (short) time to adequately familiarize yourself with Transcript, then IMHO you have reached your conclusions without proper due-diligence. Expose your developers to Rev/Transcript and see that those that embrace it will multiply their productivity by factors that will astound you...in a time frame that will be equally astonishing... I have NOT abandoned C/C++ (as well as other technologies). I utilize Revolution's externals ability when appropriate, and because of my own productivity gains, have realized the futility of my past practices where I have coded 100% of my projects in 3rd generation languages. Just .02 from someone who took the time (a few evenings) to embrace Rev/Transcript. NO DISRESPECT intended by that statement Marc, just a fact that I have experienced firsthand...I was skeptical too, and astounded *myself* at what I've been accomplishing utilizing this new programming model (Rev + externals). Opie ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Appropriate syntax for referencing objects in a looping structure?
Christopher, The name of your graphic pointer is: pointer1 It's NOT pointer1 (with the double quotes). In your lone set statement, the quotes merely tell the engine that what's enclosed (withing the quotes) should be treated (or looked upon) as a literal string and NOT a variable/container...so in effect, your lone set statement actually conveys to the engine the literal string: pointer1 In your repeat loop, you are telling the engine to look for a container named pointer1 instead of pointer1, and it does not find it, and thus generates the error. Change your repeat to: repeat with i = 1 to 3 put pointer i into tName answer tName -- should now give you the right content: pointer1 set the angle of graphic tName to rotAngle end repeat A shorter way to write the above would be: repeat with i = 1 to 3 set the angle of graphic pointer i to rotAngle end repeat Hope this was clear. Opie Christopher Mitchell wrote: Howdy, Another likely simple question for which the specific documentation does not seem readily available, or at least accessible. Hopefully someday other newbies will benefit from all these syntax questions and you all won't tar and feather me just yet. I feel like I've been spamming the list :/ - Ok, I've got a card with several graphic objects all named pointer1, pointer2, pointer3, etc. I want a repeat script to change the angle property of each one of them. The usual line that works outside the loop is, of course: set the angle of graphic pointer1 to rotAngle The problem comes in getting the 'set' command to properly parse any of the content I'm throwing at it in order to make it work in the same way using the counter generated by a 'repeat with' loop, as follows: repeat with i = 1 to 3 put quote pointer i quote into tName answer tName -- this is giving me the right content: pointer1 set the angle of graphic tName to rotAngle -- this line chokes with chunk error, no such object. hint: pointer1 end repeat As indicated by the comment, I put in the 'answer' just as a sanity check and the contents of tName at that point are exactly what I would type into the usual line; yet it tells me that there is a chunk error:no such object - with the hint, ironically, as pointer1 ... Is there some way i need to escape this variable tName when I put it in the 'set' statement in order to make it use the contents literally, exactly as if I had typed them in? I've tried several combinations of using the quote constant and the '' operator, but the 'set' command definitely does not like having those things in its strings anymore than moving it out into a variable. Thanks, Chris ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: actually the short way returns an error
Christopher, Actually, Malte also responded with the corrected shorter version and he is correct. My bad, in my zeal to explain the difference between a quoted literal string and the actual object name, I overlooked the fundamental syntax of what I sent!! SORRY!! In the example I sent, there is a precedence problem. To make the evaluation sequence clear for the Rev engine, enclose pointer i in double quotes. This tells the Rev engine to do this first. So, (as Malte already stated) the corrected version is: repeat with i = 1 to 3 set the angle of graphic (pointer i) to rotAngle end repeat The precedence is generally pretty intuitive as to how you the human (programmer) thinks...but...in some cases one must override the precedence rules by surrounding certain constructs inside ()'s in order to indicate to the engine that these phrases (the one's in ()'s) should be done FIRST. Again, sorry, and hope this is *all* clear now :) Opie P.S. Don't know what kind of graphic that pointer1 is...but...in my test, although it compiled correctly with the above...*my* pointer1 didn't seem to rotate...don't know why, but I also tried it with an image and it worked perfectly...I usually manipulate a graphic by changing it's points property... Cheers!! Christopher Mitchell wrote: Opie, I think the thing that confused me from the beginning and caused me to use that variable was that putting in : repeat with i = 1 to 3 set the angle of graphic pointer i to rotAngle end repeat returns an error in the script debugger of type: set, missing 'to' so by putting in the concatenation, the set command does not follow to the to ... and of course, you can't put the i counter in quotes, so that's why I started pulling it out of the line. Is there a good reason why the script shouldn't like the inline concatenation though? that seems absurd. Yours, Chris On Feb 21, 2004, at 6:15 AM, Ops wrote: set the angle of graphic pointer i to rotAngle ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: actually the short way returns an error
GEEZ!! I did it again!!! I said enclose pointer i in double quotesthat's INCORRECT...I meant to say enclose pointer i in PARENTHESES SORRY AGAIN FOR THE CONFUSION Ops wrote: Christopher, Actually, Malte also responded with the corrected shorter version and he is correct. My bad, in my zeal to explain the difference between a quoted literal string and the actual object name, I overlooked the fundamental syntax of what I sent!! SORRY!! In the example I sent, there is a precedence problem. To make the evaluation sequence clear for the Rev engine, enclose pointer i in double quotes. This tells the Rev engine to do this first. So, (as Malte already stated) the corrected version is: repeat with i = 1 to 3 set the angle of graphic (pointer i) to rotAngle end repeat The precedence is generally pretty intuitive as to how you the human (programmer) thinks...but...in some cases one must override the precedence rules by surrounding certain constructs inside ()'s in order to indicate to the engine that these phrases (the one's in ()'s) should be done FIRST. Again, sorry, and hope this is *all* clear now :) Opie P.S. Don't know what kind of graphic that pointer1 is...but...in my test, although it compiled correctly with the above...*my* pointer1 didn't seem to rotate...don't know why, but I also tried it with an image and it worked perfectly...I usually manipulate a graphic by changing it's points property... Cheers!! Christopher Mitchell wrote: Opie, I think the thing that confused me from the beginning and caused me to use that variable was that putting in : repeat with i = 1 to 3 set the angle of graphic pointer i to rotAngle end repeat returns an error in the script debugger of type: set, missing 'to' so by putting in the concatenation, the set command does not follow to the to ... and of course, you can't put the i counter in quotes, so that's why I started pulling it out of the line. Is there a good reason why the script shouldn't like the inline concatenation though? that seems absurd. Yours, Chris On Feb 21, 2004, at 6:15 AM, Ops wrote: set the angle of graphic pointer i to rotAngle ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Transcript and/or ECMA - guess who started it?
I'm *really* not following the wisdom of all this...to me, IT'S NOT BROKE (Transcript language-wise)...if this discussion is based in a desire for current Rev programmers to have Transcript understand a syntax that they may be more familiar with, then I think it's insane to accommodate that desire, as the more Rev/Transcript is used, the more folks in that category will appreciate and embrace the virtues of current Transcript. If this discussion is designed to increase the Rev developer crowd by offering a syntax that is more prolific to the developer community, then I think that other methods would be much more wise to employ, such as fixing bugs and improving Rev PR in general... just .02 from a fairly new Rev developer. jbv wrote: Each statement needs to start with a verb. Rather than break XTalk it would be more practial support JavaScript as an additional language implemented using one of many javascript interpreters available. This would be awesome, and would allow all sorts of additional flexibility. Set the script language to applescript and write in applescript syntax; set the script language to javascript and write in that. It would open up whole new worlds. This is probably a dumb question, but what kind of new world would open the possibility to script a stack in javascript (for instance) ? Thanks, JB ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Transcript and/or ECMA - guess who started it?
the more Rev/Transcript is used, the more folks in that category will appreciate and embrace the virtues of current Transcript. If implented as Tuviah proposed it may actually have the opposite, beneficial effect: by allowing the world's most popular scripting language as a switchable option some folks might jump on board more quickly, and once they have the tool in hand sooner or later they'll take a look at Transcript and realize they've been working way too hard. :) True enough Richard, but, I'm sure Rev resources are not unlimited, and if this is done at a long-term cost to the efficacy of the existing product, then I'm sure all would agree that those efforts would be foot-shooting...I for one, would like Rev to stay ontrack with the existing structure and not go off on tangents that would (IMHO) make the core product suffer. Staying the course (again IMHO) would prove most beneficial to Rev in the long run. Opie ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Transcript and/or ECMA - guess who started it?
Ah! my bad and my apologies...I probably didn't read back far enough...it's just a hot button with me after having been involved with so many companies that just don't know how to *FOCUS*...and thus never do anything well, let alone excellent. I must've jumped in to the middle of this and could not contain the *FOCUS* beast inside of me. Cheers to all! Opie J. Landman Gay wrote: On 2/18/04 12:48 PM, Ops wrote: True enough Richard, but, I'm sure Rev resources are not unlimited, and if this is done at a long-term cost to the efficacy of the existing product, then I'm sure all would agree that those efforts would be foot-shooting...I for one, would like Rev to stay ontrack with the existing structure and not go off on tangents that would (IMHO) make the core product suffer. I agree completely. The cool factor of alternate scripting languages should be a future enhancement. It would be nice to have, but I didn't mean to imply it should be done immediately. Just something to think about later on. ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: rev and languages
If I wanted to learn Java or something else I would not have bought REV. Please don't go down this road. I don't think I will follow. I don't think the posts I've read are headed towards JAVA scripting as a replacement for Transcript. At least I hope not. It would make no sense. It's a cryptic, slow coding, caterpillar-like language by comparison to Transcript. It only became popular because of promotion on the web among Windows users who didn't have a clue about xTalk scripting languages at the time. I watched it happen, tried to tell a few people, and finally just shook my head and ran away into HyperCard. But, offering a *few options* borrowed from earlier languages which seem just as natural (x = 12) as Transcript and could actually make it more efficient might be OK. OTOH, if it starts looking and coding like Javascript, I'd consider that a step backward and be outahere too. Ken N. I say to heck with x = 12 and such. I'm sure the other environments mentioned have the staff and resources available to program away their identities. IMHO, this community should not encourage the Rev folks to meander from the product core and visions of it's future. It was not mainstream thinking that created such a unique and productive environment. Keeping a thinking outside the box mentality combined with a focused effort by the Rev staff is the recipe for long term success. Losing focus on the aforementioned in an effort to achieve short term gain will not serve us well in the long haul. Just one programmers .02 put thispost02 + lastposts02 into longtermgain I'll take the 4 in that manner over longtermgain = 4 any day :) Ops ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Find screen pixel color without screenMouseLoc
Got it working, thank you Sir. My desktop icons flicker and it is quite slow...I have read in the archives about icons winking out...this is happening to me too. I'll have to evaluate the impact on my app, but thank you for the answer Dar!! Dar Scott wrote: On Wednesday, January 28, 2004, at 05:56 PM, Ops wrote: I've searched, and cannot find an answer to this question. Can I find the color of a particular pixel of a (windows) screen without having to change the screenMouseLoc (and then using mouseColor). Doing it that way is annoying and confusing to my users when the pointer moves for no reason (according to their perception).. export the screen to an invisible image (or to a variable and then to image). Get the imageData. Get the pixel. Dar Scott ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Find screen pixel color without screenMouseLoc
I've searched, and cannot find an answer to this question. Can I find the color of a particular pixel of a (windows) screen without having to change the screenMouseLoc (and then using mouseColor). Doing it that way is annoying and confusing to my users when the pointer moves for no reason (according to their perception).. Thanks!! ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Resizing with pointer tool in standalone
In the Rev development environment, I can select the pointer tool in a handler allowing a user to resize a control. When performed in a standalone, the handles do show up (black in color as opposed to gray when in development environment) but one cannot resize the control? Is there a library I need to include in my build? What do I need to do to make resizing actually work in a standalone when a handler chooses the pointer tool? BTW, the stack mode is editable and the lockLocation for the object in question is indeed false. THANKS!! ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Why are there text formatting options for image objects?
I would like to have an image object where I can change the backgroundcolor...for images with text, I thought I'd use the noop ink because the docs say that the backgound will be tranparent but text will still show through, yet I can't seem to figure out how to PUT text on an image...and since text formatting exists for image objects, I have to assume there is *some way* to put text (that will show through) on an image object. Is there an image type I can use that has layers where Rev can color one layer (background) with, say white and another layer (text) black? In this scenerio, I'd like to switch the image background between white and gray, still letting the black text show through. ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Update a global when going to a stack as modal
Just to get the obvious out of the wayyou *did* define gFoo as a global in Stack B...correct? === At 2004-01-07, 12:20:00 you wrote: === I have a handler in stack A of the pseudo form below ... LINE 1 put Before into global gFoo LINE 2 go to stack B as modal; user input there goes into gFoo LINE 3 put gFoo into fld Information of stack A ... The text that is put into the field on stack A is inevitably Before. However, if I immediately type put gFoo into fld Information the data that was collected in stack B is put into the field in stack A as expected. The global is populated as I would want, except it is as if line 3 above is run before line 2. What is going on? Can I not switch between stacks and collect data? Is there a workaround? Mark ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Custom answer file dialogs?
Has anybody written, or does anybody know if any alternate answer file dialogs exist that look and feel like windows explorer? I guess I'm specifically interested in the treeview of the directory structure in windows explorer and am wondering if someone has duplicated that model for an answer file dialog. ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
MS-Access ODBC WOES!! non-sensical results?
I have some (brutal) code below trying to simply test if I can get rev 2.1.2 to read data from an MS-Access table. I'm getting NO errors opening the DSN, NO errors on the revquerydatabase and getting a VALID cursorID. I'm getting 'empty' from revQueryResult (which indicates no errors in the docs) yet the revnumberofrecords(cursid) is returning a -1!?! The docs say that revnumberofrecords should either return a text error message or non-negative integer!?!??? HELP! I'm new to this and realize (and hope, actually) that I'm doing something 'newbie'-wrong.but what is most puzzling is that I'm getting a negative integer from revnumberofrecords when the docs say that I'm supposed to get either text or a non-negative integer?? (Obviously) I'm not getting past the breakpoint to test the code below that, because my repeat loop will go infinite with -1 timesthat's not the code I'm worried about though. THANKS AS ALWAYS!! on mouseUp local titl1,art1 put empty into field errfld put empty into field dispfld get revOpenDatabase(ODBC,odbcsongdb) put it into songdbid get revquerydatabase(songdbid,select title,artist from songdb) put it into cursid put cursid: cursid cr into field errfld put revquresult: revQueryResult(cursid) cr after field errfld put numrecs: revnumberofrecords(cursid) cr after field errfld breakpoint if revqueryresult(cursid) is not empty then put revqueryresult(cursid) into field errfld else repeat for revnumberofrecords(cursid) times revdatabasecolumnnamed(cursid,title,titl1) revdatabasecolumnnamed(cursid,artist,art1) put Title: titl1Artist: art1 cr after field dispfld revmovetonextrecord cursid end repeat end if revclosecursor cursid revclosedatabase songdbid end mouseUp ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Dual port video card
The app I'm working on for my client will run on a windows machine that has a video card with 2 monitor ports. The setup for this card shows 2 resources that correspond to the 2 monitor ports (\\\display\u1 and \\\display\u2). Offhand I don't know the vendor of the video card, but I would assume that most dual video cards have a similar setup with similar resource names. I have one stack that acts as an app-controller (I want that stack to display on the \\\display\u1 monitor) and 2 other stacks that act as display-stacks (I want the 2 display-stacks to appear on the \\\display\u2 monitor) Does anyone know how I can tell rev to display one stack on one monitor (\\\display\u1) and other stacks on the other monitor (\\\display\u2)??? THANK YOU!! ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Dual port video card
The desktop *is* on each monitor.I don't quite know what you mean by publishing videosorry for my green-nessbut there is no video involved... Thanks!! - Original Message - From: Dar Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: How to use Revolution [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 12:29 PM Subject: Re: Dual port video card On Thursday, January 1, 2004, at 11:22 AM, Ops wrote: The app I'm working on for my client will run on a windows machine that has a video card with 2 monitor ports. Is the desktop on these two monitor ports? Or is this for publishing video? Dar Scott ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Dual port video card
WOWI didn't know it'd be that simple!! That'd be GREAT!! It's a bit tough because I'm not done with the alpha version yet and have limited access to his production box. As soon as I get something *close* to an alpha working app, I shall take it to his business and test/experiment on the actual machine. Thanks again!! - Original Message - From: Klaus Major [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: How to use Revolution [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 12:39 PM Subject: Re: Dual port video card Hi Ops, The app I'm working on for my client will run on a windows machine that has a video card with 2 monitor ports. The setup for this card shows 2 resources that correspond to the 2 monitor ports (\\\display\u1 and \\\display\u2). Offhand I don't know the vendor of the video card, but I would assume that most dual video cards have a similar setup with similar resource names. I have one stack that acts as an app-controller (I want that stack to display on the \\\display\u1 monitor) and 2 other stacks that act as display-stacks (I want the 2 display-stacks to appear on the \\\display\u2 monitor) Does anyone know how I can tell rev to display one stack on one monitor (\\\display\u1) and other stacks on the other monitor (\\\display\u2)??? THANK YOU!! RR is not aware of more than 1 monitor... The screenrect will only return the first monitor. But it looks like you are creating a custom application that will run DEFINITIVELY on 2 monitors, right? In that case you can simply set the loc of your stacks to where the 2 monitors are supposed to be... I had been working with 2 monitors on win in the past and it worked just fine. 1280*1024 and 1024*768 aligned at top... So i could set a stack to the 2nd monitor with ... set the topleft of stack monitor 2 to 1281,30 ... Hope that helps... Regards and a happy new year :-) Klaus Major [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.major-k.de ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Dual port video card
Thank you!! ...you know, now that you've all clued me in...when I *did* have limited time with this machine, I'm thinking that I saw the video setup as one double-wide monitor...it showed 2 screens side by sideI'll bet that's the case and simply adjusting the loc of my stacks will get the job done!! Thank you all!! - Original Message - From: Thomas J McGrath III [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: How to use Revolution [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 12:44 PM Subject: Re: Dual port video card Hello, Although I don't know the answer off hand, I do have some info and a possible solution. The second monitor is actually showing a section of the Whole screen space. So if I open a stack and set it's location to an off-screen location, then it is not visible on/in the main screen area. However it is or would be available/visible if a second monitor is set to the same location as it's position. I have used software that allows the second monitor to be on the left of the main screen or to mirror or on the right or on top etc. The actual working space is much much larger than what you see in your main monitor's window space. I think it is at least six or seven times as large. Someone can correct me on that but I think it is somewhere around 32000 pixels wide and the largest screen res I have seen is around 1500. How does this help you? well if you look for the screen location of that screen then you don't need to know it's name or driver or anything and you can just set the loc of the substacks to a loc that is visible in that other monitors screen space. Of course the normal way to do that would require knowing what the name etc of that monitor is to set the stacks loc to it. But, if the monitor is within your control than you could experiment with screen locs until you found the right position and avoid the name/driver issue completely. This doesn't explain how to find the loc of the other monitor but I think the default is the screen loc of monitor one divided by two plus the screen loc of monitor two divided by two would give you the distance from the first stacks loc. Also, I think the default position is on the right side of the main monitor unless the user changes it. Hope this helps a little Tom On Jan 1, 2004, at 1:22 PM, Ops wrote: The app I'm working on for my client will run on a windows machine that has a video card with 2 monitor ports. The setup for this card shows 2 resources that correspond to the 2 monitor ports (\\\display\u1 and \\\display\u2). Offhand I don't know the vendor of the video card, but I would assume that most dual video cards have a similar setup with similar resource names. I have one stack that acts as an app-controller (I want that stack to display on the \\\display\u1 monitor) and 2 other stacks that act as display-stacks (I want the 2 display-stacks to appear on the \\\display\u2 monitor) Does anyone know how I can tell rev to display one stack on one monitor (\\\display\u1) and other stacks on the other monitor (\\\display\u2)??? THANK YOU!! ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Macintosh PowerBook G-4 OSX 10.3.1, OS 9.2.2, 1.25 GHz, 512MB RAM, Rev 2.1.2 Advanced Media Group Thomas J McGrath III 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 220 Drake Road, Bethel Park, PA 15102 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Dual port video card
I shall do so, and it shouldn't be a problem for my client or the app. Thanks Tom! - Original Message - From: Thomas J McGrath III [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: How to use Revolution [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 12:52 PM Subject: Re: Dual port video card This would set the top left to one pixel more than monitor one's available screen space. However if the screen res is changed on monitor one to something other than 1280*1024 than the stack will be offset on monitor 2 by the difference. You could get monitor 1's size and handle that via script but you won't be able to know what monitor 2's size is so that one is still a guess or set up before hand. Getting the screen size of monitor 1 is easy but getting the screen size of monitor 2 may not happen. So be sure to tell your client that they should not change the screen size's of either monitor while using your software. Doing that anyway has caused me problems due to the way Rev handles screen resolutions. Tom On Jan 1, 2004, at 1:39 PM, Klaus Major wrote: I had been working with 2 monitors on win in the past and it worked just fine. 1280*1024 and 1024*768 aligned at top... So i could set a stack to the 2nd monitor with ... set the topleft of stack monitor 2 to 1281,30 ... Klaus Major [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.major-k.de Macintosh PowerBook G-4 OSX 10.3.1, OS 9.2.2, 1.25 GHz, 512MB RAM, Rev 2.1.2 Advanced Media Group Thomas J McGrath III 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 220 Drake Road, Bethel Park, PA 15102 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Dual port video card
*very* nice and completeI thank you sir!!! - Original Message - From: Dar Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: How to use Revolution [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 1:13 PM Subject: Re: Dual port video card On Thursday, January 1, 2004, at 11:49 AM, Ops wrote: Thank you!! ...you know, now that you've all clued me in...when I *did* have limited time with this machine, I'm thinking that I saw the video setup as one double-wide monitor...it showed 2 screens side by sideI'll bet that's the case and simply adjusting the loc of my stacks will get the job done!! Sorry, I didn't respond the first time. I didn't realize you meant a desktop monitor; I thought you were making movies or something. I didn't even realize you were using Windows. I should have seen the backslashes. Sorry. I'm glad you were persistent. I think others have covered most of what you need. I'll add this: Put your controls as much as possible on the primary monitor. Tooltips and some menus and the such do not work correctly on the second monitor. If you need to develop without the two monitors, have a development mode in which you put put the stacks into dressed windows within the primary monitor with scrollbars. In the delivery mode, they lose the scrollbars and window dressing and are placed where they should be. Make sure you can switch modes. Plan on some time to fiddle with this on the two-monitor system. There might be some surprises. If your development resolution is greater than the delivery 2-monitor resolution, then you need not fool with setting up scrollbars--I use this method. In some apps, the primary monitor is computerish and can have a normal window. In that case, it does not need to fill the screen. I usually put the start bar on the left of the desktop in that case. Dar Scott ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [ANN] Window External
Thank you very much Trevor!! Unfortunately, my client is archaic and expects me to get this to work on his Win98 machine which drives his businessI haven't (obviously) been successful in getting him to upgrade, as his app+machine are not broke (his words)!?!?! ..hh - Original Message - From: Trevor DeVore [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: How to use Revolution [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 1:51 PM Subject: Re: [ANN] Window External On Dec 29, 2003, at 12:48 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: Trevor: Thanks very much for making this available. Nice stuff. Your welcome. Just tested on OSX 10.2.8 (under Rev and MetaCard). Both seem to work fine. Thanks for testing it. Any possibility of adding alpha mask support for the window, based on a grayscale bitmap image? This would be something of a holy grail for us UI folks: translucent windows with antialiased edges... Nice work; thanks again. I will take a look at the Carbon API and see what I can find. If I can find the info on how to do it then I will add it. -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Multimedia [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Transparency confusion
Firstly [OT], this is the absolute best mailing-list/user group I have ever encountered, thanks to competent, responsive, and kind individuals that participate. Secondly, thank you for all the fine suggestions, I shall experiment...DID I HEAR of a new feature coming out (or is it already here?) of transparent windows, and would this apply to my scrolling text application? THANKS AGAIN ALL!! - Original Message - From: Ken Norris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2003 4:23 AM Subject: Re: Transparency confusion on 12/28/03 1:48 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 21:47:16 -0800 From: Ken Norris [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Transparency confusion Why is this? Is it the time required to change windowShapes? Is it the work required to get the image to make the windowShapes? --- Well, yeah...all of the above. I think you'd have to make each character a separate graphical element in a windowShape. This turned out not to be quite true, I think. You should be able to make a *line* of text into a bit-mapped GIF image, turn it into a windowShape, and scroll it by changing its loc. I wasn't able to put this together in Rev because I cannot create 1-bit transparent bg GIFs or PNGs right now, but I *did* build one in SuperCard as a customPalette. I made a bit-mapped image and knocked out the centers of letters as needed (a's, o's, e's, p's, d's, etc.). I started the window off screen-right and updated it's loc in an idle handler, but in Rev you might be able to send in time. However, as I expected, it flickers because of the constant redraws of the window as moves. Just an idea... Ken N. ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Transparency confusion
I would like to banner some text across the bottom of a windows desktop. I have created a stack that is the length of the screen, and on the very bottom. I can certainly get text to scroll across that wide stack, but what I would like to do is have the background of whatever the is behind the stack to show through so that all that can be seen is the actual scrolling text NOT on top of a black or white rectangle (the stack)I'm wanting to *just* see the text, and whatever that stack is on top of (like a normal windows desktop) I would like to show through.is this possible?? THANKS! ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
