Re: NPR puzzle

[Ro Nagey]

Interesting - I'm using a 1.67 GHz Powerbook and my best speed using  
your changes is in the low 30's - are Macs that much slower?


On this size, it doesn't seem to make any difference as to whether is  
' for each word myWord' or 'for each line myWord'


Ro Nagey

On Jul 20, 2005, at 7:55 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote:



I made a couple of tweaks:
1  Changed
repeat for each line l in fld "words"
   ...
   put l into myWord
to  simply
  repeat for each line myWord in fld "words"
since l was not used anywhere else, and myWord was not changed.

2. moved the "delete char 1 to 2 of daWord" to after the if test  
(no need to delete them if you are about to exit the loop).


Those improved it to 20 msecs (which I think is the limit of  
resolution on my machine - the original was sometimes 28, sometimes  
29, sometimes 31 - now it is always 20.





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Re: NPR puzzle

[Ro Nagey]

No - you way times out in 43-45 milliseconds -

Here's the latest version of my code - it comes in around 36-37  
milliseconds.


on doIt
  put the milliseconds into startTime
  put fld "element" into gorp
  put fld "words" into allwords
  repeat for each line l in allwords
put "Y" into myAnswer
put  l  into myWord
put myWord into daWord
repeat 5 times
  put char 1 to 2 of daWord into anElement
  delete char 1 to 2 of daWord
  if anElement is not in gorp then
  --If lineoffset(anElement,Gorp) = 0 then
put empty into myAnswer
exit repeat
  end if
end repeat
if myAnswer is "Y" then put myWord & return after finalAnswer
  end repeat
  put the milliseconds-startTime into totalTicks
  answer totalTicks && finalAnswer
end doIt


Ro Nagey

PS My spam filter is apparently censoring the mail I write ... feel  
free to insert whimsical observation here :)


On Jul 20, 2005, at 7:51 PM, Lynch, Jonathan wrote:


Hi Ro...

Would your script go faster if you used lineoffset rather than 'is not
in'?

If lineoffset(anElement,Gorp) = 0 then...


I ask because I am not which method is faster in which circumstances.



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Re: NPR puzzle

[Ro Nagey]

Here's my humble submission:

on doIt
  put the ticks into startTime
  put fld "element" into gorp
  repeat for each line l in fld "words"
put "Yes" into myAnswer
put  l  into myWord
put myWord into daWord
repeat 5 times
  put char 1 to 2 of daWord into anElement
  delete char 1 to 2 of daWord
  if anElement is not in gorp then
put "No" into myAnswer
exit repeat
  end if
end repeat
if myAnswer contains "Yes" then put myWord & return after  
finalAnswer

  end repeat
  put the ticks-startTime into totalTicks
  answer totalTicks && finalAnswer && the number of lines in  
finalAnswer

end doIt

Did it in 2 ticks and found 23 words :)

Ro Nagey

Sorry if you get this 3 times - but I haven't received the ones sent  
earlier and am thinking something in there triggered spam detectors  
or something. :)

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Re: NPR puzzle

[Ro Nagey]

Here's my humble submission:

on doIt
  put the ticks into startTime
  put fld "element" into gorp
  repeat for each line l in fld "words"
put "Yes" into myAnswer
put  l  into myWord
put myWord into daWord
repeat 5 times
  put char 1 to 2 of daWord into anElement
  delete char 1 to 2 of daWord
  if anElement is not in gorp then
put "No" into myAnswer
exit repeat
  end if
end repeat
if myAnswer contains "Yes" then put myWord & return after  
finalAnswer

  end repeat
  put the ticks-startTime into totalTicks
  answer totalTicks && finalAnswer && the number of lines in  
finalAnswer

end doIt

Did it in 2 ticks and found 23 words :)

Ro Nagey

Apologies in advance if you get this twice - the first one got held  
up because it was too long

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Re: NPR puzzle

[Ro Nagey]

Here's my humble submission:

on doIt
  put the ticks into startTime
  put fld "element" into gorp
  repeat for each line l in fld "words"
put "Yes" into myAnswer
put  l  into myWord
put myWord into daWord
repeat 5 times
  put char 1 to 2 of daWord into anElement
  delete char 1 to 2 of daWord
  if anElement is not in gorp then
put "No" into myAnswer
exit repeat
  end if
end repeat
if myAnswer contains "Yes" then put myWord & return after  
finalAnswer

  end repeat
  put the ticks-startTime into totalTicks
  answer totalTicks && finalAnswer && the number of lines in  
finalAnswer

end doIt

Did it in 2 ticks and found 23 words :)

Ro Nagey


On Jul 20, 2005, at 3:40 PM, Jim Hurley wrote:


For my fellow puzzle addicts:

Here is this weeks NPR puzzle (Sunday Weekend edition)

Sunday Puzzle

By Will Shortz


Challenge for July 24:

A 10-letter word for a form of travel, that consists of five  
consecutive symbols of chemical elements. What is it? If automobile  
had been the answer, AU, would represent Gold, MO would represent  
Molybdenum, and BI, would represent Bismuth. Unfortunately, the  
remaining bigrams, TO and LE, are not chemical symbols.



I have put up a stack with two fields. The first contains all 10  
letter words in my dictionary.


The second contains all two character elements from the periodic  
table.


You task, should you choose to adopt it, is to write a Run Rev  
handler to solve this weeks NPR puzzle defined above.


In the message box:

go stack url  "http://home.infostations.net/jhurley/NPRpuzzle.rev";

Jim
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Contest Results Tonight!

[Ro Nagey]

Well, depending on where you on in the world: tonight, this  
afternoon, this morning, or tomorrow morning! ;)


Seriously, though, a quick reminder that the first winners of the  
ChatRev coding contest are tonight!


To celebrate, we will announce the winners of the contest and discuss  
the entries, on a world-wide ChatRev session, next Friday, 24th June,  
at 21.30 CET (Note: See below for worldwide times).


The winners will be invited to talk about their stack and to explain  
the approach to their solution. The whole event will last one hour at  
most.


The three best stacks of this challenge will be made available on the  
ChatRev Coding Contest website, shortly after the event.


The "Advanced Challenge" continues until 11th July and the  
"Impossible Challenge" until 8th August. Make sure to submit your  
solutions to each of the challenges in time, to win one of the  
wonderful prizes.


To learn more about the Coding Contest, go to: contest.wecode.org>
If you need to get a copy of ChatRev, go to: chatrev.bjoernke.com>


We look forward to everyone joining us on ChatRev tonight!

Warmest regards,

The CCC judges,

Björnke
Wouter
Chipp
Mark
Ro

Time Chart:
CET 21.30
BST 20:30
EST 15:30
PST 12:30

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Now running: the first ChatRev coding contest!
sponsors:
Altuit
Andre Garzia
Fourth World
Karl Becker
Runtime Revolution
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Re: [ANN]Coding Contest

[Ro Nagey]

BTW, if you need more details or want to just hang out with nice folk -

go stack URL "http://homepage.mac.com/bvg/chatrev1.3.rev";

It's been fun learning about everyone's ideas!

Ro

On Jun 13, 2005, at 6:01 PM, Björnke von Gierke wrote:


Hi all

The Chatrev coding contest (CCC) is now underway!

ChatRev is a chat written entirely in RunRev. Information about it  
can be found here: http://chatrev.bjoernke.com


There are 3 Challenges. You can of course participate in all  
challenges, if you like, but I suggest that you concentrate on one  
challenge, and make it work as good as you can. It's also important  
to know that even an unfinished Product may win a prize, so if you  
get the feeling you can't finish, send it in anyway, maybe you're  
lucky!


please send questions to my e-Mail: bvg AT mac DOT com
It would also be nice to have an e-Mail about your participation,  
but this is not mandatory.


Simple:
Make something nifty within 10 lines of code.
The goal of this challenge is to let coders of every experience  
participate, with a real chance to win.

It will last 1 week until next monday.
There are 2 example stacks, to show how you could do it at:
http://contest.wecode.org/cgi-bin/contest.cgi?simple

Advanced:
This challenge wants you to code a RoboWar clone.
It's a game where people can program "bots", that battle each other.
You got 4 weeks to make your game, if you want to participate in  
this challenge.

Check out:
http://contest.wecode.org/cgi-bin/contest.cgi?advanced

Impossible:
Make an Instant messenger client, using the AIM, MSN or Jabber  
protocol.

This is the longest challenge, lasting 8 weeks.
More details can be found here:
http://contest.wecode.org/cgi-bin/contest.cgi?impossible


Now for the important part, the prizes:
http://contest.wecode.org/cgi-bin/contest.cgi?sponsors

simple challenge:
TidBITS eBooks for second and third prize
"Software at the speed of thought" as first prize

advanced challenge:
TidBITS eBooks for third and fourth prize
A Karl Becker game of your choosing for second place
Altuit's altSQLite or MagicCarpet as first prize

impossible challenge:
TidBITS eBooks for fourth and fifth prize
A Karl Becker game of your choosing for third place
Altuit's altSQLite or MagicCarpet as second place
A year of runrev license for the first prize


good luck to all of you!

Bjoernke von Gierke

--

official ChatRev page:
http://chatrev.cjb.net

Chat with other RunRev developers:
go stack URL "http://homepage.mac.com/bvg/chatrev1.3.rev";

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Re: Rev 2.6 and Defaultfolder

[Ro Nagey]

What is your code - it's working for me.

Ro


On Jun 7, 2005, at 5:50 AM, Ludovic Thébault wrote:


Hello,

Someone use Defaultfolder ?

Rev 2.6 crash with it when you display an "Open dialog" (on tiger)
I exclude Rev from Defaultfolder and it works.

Because my english is too bad, someone can put this bug on bugzilla ?

Thx


Ludovic
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Re: Revolution and Education... website proposed

[Ro Nagey]

much more in 2  
brains than
in one... there is so much benefit of having another person's  
perspective on the
issue. This got me thinking... why not try something similar with  
the nice
people from the revolution community, this time on the use of  
revolution for
student-centered learning?

It happens that I recently created a website, that I use in a  
research context.
I could easily create a revolution subdomain to host a "revolution- 
education"
resource center with : (1) an archive of stacks relevant to  
education ( I can
provide up to 200MB), (2) a forum or even better, a wiki for the  
discussion of
ideas and guidelines (I have recently set-up a wiki to support one  
of my course
and it wouldn't be difficult to set-up another one for discussion  
on the them of
revolution-education). I really believe that Wikis are better than  
forums to
organize thoughts.

Who knows, this could lead to a book "Instructional Design with  
Revolution"...
with the word order that suggests that reaching teaching goals and the
provision of well-thought exercises would be more important than  
technical
aspects (though, both could probably be reconciled with a section  
on teaching
(to teachers) programming with revolution).  After all, the  
reluctance of
colleagues to be involved in e-Learning does not come from the fact  
that they
do not care about the quality of their teaching. It rather has for  
origin the
lack of resource printed or digital resource that would let them  
realize
something useful without having to spend too much time acquiring  
new skills. If
we want to encourage our colleagues to adopt better practices,  
maybe we need to
be concerned about creating resources that facilitate their efforts.

In fact, I already gave it a start:
http://revolution.lexicall.org/
You will find there a list of links and information related to  
eLearning
(http://revolution.lexicall.org/eLearning/) as well as a listing of  
the stacks
I have already produced (under a share alike license), at
http://revolution.lexicall.org/listing.php. I will add a wiki next  
week-end.

Educators and non educators alike may be interested to know that  
this listing is
automatically produced thanks to the provision of a text file  
joined to the
revolution file, with the following metadata.


RSS reader
Still another exploration of widgets. Simple RSS
reader.
 Marielle Lange
 N/A
 http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/2.0/
mystacks/rss_reader.gif
N/A

http://revolution.lexicall.org/mystacks/ 
rss_reader.rev


This means that information about the file is separate from the  
file itself...
It is possible to create a directory that lists stacks  hosted in  
the archive
as well as stacks hosted elsewhere. I can give away the php script  
to anybody
interested (written so to understand any metadata, organized in any  
number of
sections (details at: http://lexicall.org/repository/standards.php,  
when used
in another context).

Let me know if you are interested in taking advantage of any of  
this... but
please, be patient, my day job does not involve programming with  
revolution, I
may take a few days (i.e., next week-end) to answer your emails.

Best,
Marielle
-- 
-
Marielle Lange (PhD),  Psycholinguistics, Lecturer in Psychology  
and Informatics
University of Edinburgh, UK
Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Homepage:  http://homepages.inf.ed.ac.uk/mlange/


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Revolution Around The World

[Ro Nagey]

As a related development to our discussions, RunRev is going to  
create a "Non-English" Revolution resource section on our web site.  
It might appear as "Revolution Around The World".

Can you help us? If you own such a site can you send me the URL, the  
language it is written in, and a brief description of its contents?

Thanks in advance,
Ro
To translate this email into another language, please copy this and  
go to <http://babelfish.altavista.com/>

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Re: Contributions in languages other than English

[Ro Nagey]

On May 4, 2005, at 6:41 PM, Marielle Lange wrote:
Imagine you are a non-native. How would you feel about publishing  
this on the
revolution list? Would you dare put a post that consists in a  
babelfish
translation on a Russian list (assuming you do not know a word of  
Russian)? As
a native, what is your first impression (you know, the one that  
counts so much)
of the writer of the babelfish post above?
Actually, having lived in places where English is certainly not the  
only language and sometimes not the dominant language, I no longer  
fear muddling through as best I can. [Hawai`i, Mexico and, now, Wales]

My experience is that the people on this list will go out of their  
way to help anyone - and especially those brave enough to post as  
best they can in English. Of course, the newcomer doesn't know this  
but hopefully will stay on the list long enough to realize everyone  
is here to help.
It is not a question of politeness, but of self-restraint. Foreign  
speakers will
usually refrain from contributing until they are confident enough  
about writing
in English.
This is true - hopefully, we're starting to change that. :)
Politeness possibly rather recommends a babelfish link to be  
automatically added
at the bottom of all posts, including the ones in English. ;-)...  
The wiki I use
(http://revolution.lexicall.org/wiki/) does that, why not copy  
their script? Why
not also use it on the revolution website?

I like this idea. At least providing a babelfish link in the email is  
worthwhile.

Ro
PS Translating my writing into another language and back again is not  
fair! Many would claim I don't even write in English in the first  
place! ;)

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Re: tikiwiki, RSS, French, and changing the world

[Ro Nagey]

Frankly, I have no problem with a post in an alternate language.  
Obviously, English is the predominate one here. However, a post in,  
say, French will certainly attract all Francophones together! :)

However, it's only polite [and I think the ListMom made it a rule] to  
also post either a babelfish translation of your post or your best  
effort at translation.

Ro
On May 4, 2005, at 11:27 AM, Marielle Lange wrote:
Anyway, I guess that French, CMS and RSS are a bit out of topic for  
a revolution
list. Changing the world probably not.
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Re: Revolution in Education - ANNOUNCING New List

[Ro Nagey]

It's just brand new, Mark. It's only been reactivated in the last 72  
hours. Is there a way to kick Google awake? ;)

Ro
On May 3, 2005, at 10:30 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:
Ro-
Tuesday, May 3, 2005, 1:40:43 PM, you wrote:
RN>   http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/education-revolution
The education list isn't indexed at Google yet. Is it just too new or
is it just under their radar or are you trying to keep it private for
now? As soon as Google starts indexing it I can add it as an option to
my ArchiveSearch plugin.
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Re: Revolution in Education - ANNOUNCING New List

[Ro Nagey]

I have received some panicked emails from those wanting to join but  
getting a "Denied" message when attempting to get on the Education- 
Revolution list. The link to click on to join is:
 http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/education-revolution

I apologize for not taking into account that some mail apps split up  
URLs - which could lead you to a "Denied message"

My bad,
Ro
On May 3, 2005, at 5:56 PM, Ro Nagey wrote:
After laying dormant for a very long time, I am happy to announce  
the Education-Revolution list is back and better than ever.

You are enthusiastically invited to be part of this improved list!
To be a part of this list, go to http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/ 
listinfo/education-revolution and scroll down to the bottom of the  
page for subscribe instructions.

This list is specifically designed for teachers, students and those  
with a special interest in using Revolution in an educational  
environment. We are going to share problems, solutions and ideas.  
And, if you're a member of this list, you'll also be eligible for  
special offerings from Runtime Revolution!

In the coming year, we're going to be putting a lot of emphasis on  
education. Please help us and be part of this list!

Ro
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Revolution in Education - ANNOUNCING New List

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After laying dormant for a very long time, I am happy to announce the  
Education-Revolution list is back and better than ever.

You are enthusiastically invited to be part of this improved list!
To be a part of this list, go to http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/ 
listinfo/education-revolution and scroll down to the bottom of the  
page for subscribe instructions.

This list is specifically designed for teachers, students and those  
with a special interest in using Revolution in an educational  
environment. We are going to share problems, solutions and ideas.  
And, if you're a member of this list, you'll also be eligible for  
special offerings from Runtime Revolution!

In the coming year, we're going to be putting a lot of emphasis on  
education. Please help us and be part of this list!

Ro
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Re: Rev in CGI for ecommerce

[Ro Nagey]

Yes, you can! :)
And, if you're looking for a great explanation of how to use CGI's in 
Rev, take a look at Jacque's brilliant article at: 
http://www.hyperactivesw.com/cgitutorial/index.html

Ro Nagey
On Mar 8, 2005, at 10:46 AM, paolo wrote:
Can I use  Rev in CGI to set an ecommerce web-site?
Any of you have set a system like that?
Best regards
Paolo Mazza
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Re: UNIX Engines

[Ro Nagey]

Expect an announcement on the dates for these engines next week!
Ro Nagey
On Mar 2, 2005, at 10:18 PM, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote:
Has anyone heard any recent news on when the Rev 2.5 engines for UNIX 
(Solaris, IRIX, BSD, etc.) will show up?

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Re: OT: Help with motivation

[Ro Nagey]

Gene Wolfe, the noted sf author, once told me something along the lines 
of:

"If you can get started, turn off the TV. Turn off the radio. Don't 
read the mail. Don't open a book. You can go for a walk. Sooner or 
later, you will start writing"

This has worked well for me - of course, I've updated it to include 
"Don't turn on the computer"

Ro
On Feb 22, 2005, at 10:56 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:
I have been having problems getting myself motivated. I have a 
possible customer for a few ideas I have and he said as soon as I'm 
ready that he will try and sell them for me. I even have a lot of 
ideas for this project. But I can't seem to get started. I have been 
sitting here for weeks reading this list every day and opening up REV 
but still can't start.

Any helpful ideas on how to jump start a project?
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Re: How do you guys make sure you get paid?

[Ro Nagey]

All of the advice on this thread is excellent. Dan's comments, below, 
are simple and to the point. Let me add some points touched on by 
others:

0. Make the customer happy.
This is really what we all should strive to do. While he's 
contractually buying a product, I find that everyone is really buying 
happiness - or trying to.

I've seen people get contracts who aren't as skilled as others, but 
they were great at making the customer feel happy about signing with 
them.

This leads me to rule 0.5 …
0.5 Talk to the client frequently.
I know a lot of people who initially make the mistake of viewing a 
customer 'digitally' - i.e. "I've got the contract, see you when I'm 
done".

The point they quickly learn is: You're not selling just the software 
specified in the contract, you're selling yourself. The client has to 
have confidence in you as a software author and in you as a solid 
professional.

So, in bidding a job, I would always factor in the number of hours I 
would likely spend at the client's offices building and maintaining 
confidence. This would be time going over the user interface or testing 
internal workings - it was never just 'hanging' out.

If he wants to add a feature after signing the contract, great! This is 
why detailing the project and specifying what happens if the project is 
changed is so important. If it's small, I might do it for free - but I 
will also send him an amended contract specification which lists the 
cost of the change and then credit him. This is a useful reminder that 
he was liable to pay for it! ;)

7. Add a clause that specifies what interest he pays if he is late on a 
payment.

I had a friend who did design work - he charged 20% interest on late 
payments. This worked well for him.

On Feb 18, 2005, at 5:27 PM, Dan Shafer wrote:
1. Typically get 1/3 to 1/2 of the project fee (or estimate) on 
signing the deal.
2. Tie milestone payments to deliveries where possible.
3. Stop work if and when payments are late or stop.
4. Get it in writing.
5. Make sure the spec is clear and that any changes have to be in 
writing and approved by both parties. It's even better if changes also 
incur a charge and/or include the right to adjust the agreed-upon fee.
6. Leave a percentage -- 10-20 usually works -- to be paid N days 
after final delivery or on acceptance of the project, whichever occurs 
first.

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Re: Introducing our new Evangelist

[Ro Nagey]

Aloha, all!
Thank you, Kevin, for the introduction. And thank you, Richard, Mark, 
Dan, for your very kind comments - the check is in the mail! ;)

Seriously, I am incredibly excited to be your Evangelist.
As Kevin pointed out, I'm here to help.
I am here to help:
	• Promote your Revolution-built applications,
	• Publish your programs and utilities through our new revSelect 
program, and,
	• Offer you what marketing and advertising advice I can

	I am also one link between you and the company. If you have comments 
or questions about Runtime Revolution, please feel free to contact me. 
I am RunRevRo on AIM/iChat. I live in the UK and am usually online 
throughout the day and, often, late at night. [The 8 hour time 
difference between here and California is a real killer.]

I can also be contacted via email [pfflist] at: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Obviously, there's a lot more. The important thing is that I am here to 
help you. Your success will only make the entire Revolution community 
and, of course, our company, stronger.

Ro Nagey
PS: Yes, Heather Nagey is my beautiful bride. :)


On Feb 17, 2005, at 1:18 PM, Kevin Miller wrote:
Hi everyone,
It is my pleasure to introduce Ro Nagey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> as our new
Evangelist for Dreamcard and Revolution.  His AIM screen name is 
RunRevRo.

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Re: sudden quiting of 2.5beta1

[Ro Nagey]

I am getting them as well - at least once per 15 minutes of use.
Ro
On Jul 27, 2004, at 1:37 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am finding this beta to just suddenly quit after doing a a click or 
editing
in the IDE sometimes with no reason at all. Am I the only one having 
this
problem?? This is rather scary for doing any work now. I am using 
10.2.8. I need
the bug fixes in beta1, but not the lost work. Any clues are welcomed 
or how I
can help track down the bug.

Andrew
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OT: MacWorld UK doesn't honor programming tools

[Ro Nagey]

I just looked at MacWorld UK's list of nominees for their Editor's 
Choice awards. There was no category for programming. Does anyone else 
find this odd?

http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/main_news.cfm?NewsID=6198 

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Re: Poor man's encrypted data

[Ro Nagey]

Here's an idea given your criteria: make a 'one-time' pad stack. 
Although I know you know how to make one, it's interesting enough to 
discuss here:

Grossly simplified:
1. You generate a text file of random letters. The text file is of 
arbitrary length. You give a copy of the text file to Alice and Bob. 
They also are given a stack.
2. Alice sends a message to Bob. Before it's sent, the stack translates 
the message based on a section of the random text. It might be 
something as simple as using the number of chars and the short date [or 
the seconds] to generate an offset to the random text file.
3. The message is transposed and sent to Bob. The short date is sent in 
the clear.
4. Bob uses the short date and the number of chars to go out to the 
text file [via your stack] and the message is decrypted.
5. The letters used from the text file are both deleted from both Bob's 
and Alice's files.

Now, your only concerns are that the text file of random letters isn't 
something that could be easily discovered. Stick it somewhere and name 
it something like, I dunno, "ThisIsNotAOneTimePad.txt" or something so 
no one gets suspicious. ;)

And, if you want it to look even more innocuous, send it as an 
attachment - embed the message in a stack as you suggested. The stack 
could be of anything. It's just a wrapper for the message - which is 
accessed via the Encrypt/Decrypt stack.

There are any number of [more secure] variations of this. But, at 
least, it means that Charles can't look at the encrypted messages and 
decrypt them easily - as every message uses a new random arrangement of 
letters and punctuation.

Ro

On Saturday, April 5, 2003, at 08:42 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

In lieu of a formal definition, for me it means at a minimum not clear 
text,
but also goes further to be not merely binhexed or other common 
algorithm.
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Re: Poor man's encrypted data

[Ro Nagey]

Yes, I have...I send them money and they provide me with a password! ;)

On Saturday, April 5, 2003, at 08:42 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

Have you successfully cracked MC's password protection (please don't 
post
the algorithm if you have)?
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Re: Poor man's encrypted data

[Ro Nagey]

Define semi-secure? The result of decryption? Amount of traffic flow of 
stacks?

Assuming that you are sending the same stack with the exception of the 
data in the custom props:
	1. I intercept the data.
	2. I notice that the the data looks the same except for small section.
	3. I attack the small section with decrypt tools.

I've been curious why no one has done a Rev version of PGP.

Ro

On Saturday, April 5, 2003, at 06:21 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

For sending data across the net in a semi-secure format, can you think 
of
any downsides to simply storing the data in custom props in a
password-protected stack?

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APOLOGY: Re: Group Background Behavior

[Ro Nagey]

Sorry...didn't mean to send an already posted note to the group. My bad!

Ro

On Friday, April 4, 2003, at 07:52 PM, Ro Nagey wrote:

On Thursday, March 27, 2003, at 06:48 PM, Geoff Canyon wrote:

If you are using 2.0, the Navigator palette makes this easy: drag the 
background into the bookmark area to make a bookmark. Switch to ...
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Re: Group Background Behavior

[Ro Nagey]

On Thursday, March 27, 2003, at 06:48 PM, Geoff Canyon wrote:

If you are using 2.0, the Navigator palette makes this easy: drag the 
background into the bookmark area to make a bookmark. Switch to card 
view. Hilite the cards you want the background to be on, and the 
bookmark of the background. Click and drag the bookmark of the 
background onto any of the cards you hilited. The background will be 
placed on all the cards.

Under any version of Rev, you can still use Navigator. It comes with a 
plugin to do this: Place BG onto Cards.



On Thursday, March 27, 2003, at 12:25 PM, Jez wrote:

Why. when I group things together and set the group's background 
behaviour
property to true, is the group only visible on cards that I create 
from that
point onwards ? I want it visible on cards I have already created and
coded - how can I achieve this ?

regards,

Geoff Canyon
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Simple probability stack

[Ro Nagey]

Before I reinvent the wheel, does anyone have a fun probability stack 
that would appeal to 6-8th graders? It has to run on Wondows.

TIA,
Ro Nagey
Royal Software, Inc.

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BringToFront

[Ro Nagey]

When I click on a stack that's behind other apps in Mac OSX...and the 
cursor is in a field, the cursor disappears or moves to wherever I 
clicked. This is really annoying. Shouldn't "Bring to front" be one 
action and not passed through to the stack that's being brought to the 
front? How can I cure this.

Ro Nagey
Royal Software, Inc.

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Re: [Semi-OT] Another "They shoulda used Rev/MC" story :)

[Ro Nagey]

I have the barest of bones ones...I wouldn't call it a serious app by 
any means, just one of those projects to learn MC. If you want I could 
send it to you. I just moved it over to the Mac and I can debug it a 
bit over the weekend if I get time.

Ro

On Friday, December 13, 2002, at 03:49 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

Here's what Macintouch calls "an interesting excuse for cancelling Mac
software development" from Cerious Software:

  It has been more difficult that you could ever know
  to port ThumbsPlus to the Macintosh. Unlike Windows,
  applications cause many problems on the Mac side.
  For example Quicktime installations totally crash
  ThumbsPlus so that the application doesn't even
  launch. Also, the cross compiler applications don't
  work any longer with new Mac versions. Any new
  software install has the ability to take Thumbs to
  its knees. Sorry we don't have better news.
  We expect to be taking down all Mac info from the
  pages in the next few weeks.



If they were using Rev or MC they'd still be shipping on Mac, and their
Windows effort would cost only a fraction to maintain and enhance.

This got me thinking:  Do any of you have a Rev- or MC-based image 
database
program?

I was tempted to throw one together and send it off to Ric Ford at
Macintouch, but I have my hands full at the moment.

--
 Richard Gaskin
 Fourth World Media Corporation
 Developer of WebMerge 2.1: Publish any database on any site
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Novel interfaces

[Ro Nagey]

Rumor has it that Jean-Louis Gasse once gave a demo on a Mac that someone
had futzed with...

He'd click on a menu bar, the box would appear, then crash to the bottom of
the screen. Once there, the menu bar worked fine. Not practical but a great
practical joke ;)

Ro Nagey
Royal Software, Inc.

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RE: REALbasic vs. Revolution

[Ro Nagey]

Cool game...but like the docs say - meaningless if you don't know the
rules...which are located where? ;)

Ro

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Scott Rossi
> Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 10:55 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: REALbasic vs. Revolution
>
>
> Recently, "Ro Nagey"  wrote:
>
> > There have been brief examples of tools that allow you to
> create circular
> > or, even, free-form stacks...but I haven't seen anything
> recently. We, the
> > creators, seem trapped by Windows/Mac boundaries when we should
> be designing
> > the new and the different.
>
> Fully.
>
> At the risk of repeating myself, folks might want to take a look at the
> Plexata game link at the bottom of this page:
>
>   http://www.tactilemedia.com/download/
>
> True, this is part of a game (as opposed to a "serious" app) done a year
> ago, but bits and pieces of what was done here are making their way into
> other projects we're doing.
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
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RE: REALbasic vs. Revolution

[Ro Nagey]

I, for one, couldn't agree more. IMFO, there has been a near-total lack of
open-ended interface design. Everyone seems, quite literally, to live
'inside the box' or, more precisely, 'inside the screenrect'.

There have been brief examples of tools that allow you to create circular
or, even, free-form stacks...but I haven't seen anything recently. We, the
creators, seem trapped by Windows/Mac boundaries when we should be designing
the new and the different.

Perhaps we should have a contest for the most "un-Windows, un-Mac" app. I
would love to see what our more creative minds could come up with...which,
in turn, might point towards improvements in our tools.

Ro Nagey
Royal Software, Inc.

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Rob Cozens
> I see application design as a creative art, and I don't feel that art
> has matured to the point where exploration of non-institutionalized
> techniques should be looked on with such disfavor.  Are Apple & MS
> human interface guideline police any different than the art police
> who kept the impressionists out of the Paris exhibitions?
>
> IMF(oolesh)O, tuning my UI for internal consistency and optimal
> handling of the task of the application are more important than
> designing it to look like a clone of every other app on the same
> platform.  If RB doesn't allow the freedom to hide the menu bar or
> make an app look totally "non-native", I would see that as stifling
> to my creativity and a BIG minus in comparison to RR.

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RE: Updating Data Substacks

[Ro Nagey]

Another approach that I implemented on a POS WAN back in the pre-Internet
days:

Ship the new stack[s] under a new name. On startup, it checks to see what
it's name is...if it isn't MyOldStackName then it reads the data from the
old stack[s] into the new stack[s], changes the name of the old stacks, then
changes the name of the current stack to MyOldStackName.

That way, you're previous rev is still there in case something goes
tragically wrong.

Ro

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Dan Shafer
> Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 7:07 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Updating Data Substacks
>
>
> It just occurred to me that the RR model which requires me to create
> a separate stack to hold the data for my app might be an obstacle to
> product upgrades.
>
> My mainstack is a splasher. My substacks are a palette (which can
> change) and the primary data stack (which will change). If in my next
> rev of the product, I wish to add features (e.g., a menu or even a
> button on that stack with some new functions), I would expect to ask
> my users to replace their current stack with the new one. But that
> will, obviously, result in the loss of all their data.
>
> How should this work? What am I missing?
> --
> -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-
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RE: The learning curve is the burning curve

[Ro Nagey]

That certainly did work - thanks! Now to figure out where I went so
tragically wrong. :)

Ro

> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ken Ray
> Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 7:42 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: The learning curve is the burning curve
>
>
> Ro,
>
> Here's a simple "send" script that puts the current time into a field:
>
> (I made this the script of a button, but you can change it to anything you
> like):
>
> on mouseUp
>   send updateClock to me in 10 milliseconds
> end mouseUp
>
> on updateClock
>   put the long time into field 1
>   send updateClock to me in 500 milliseconds
> end updateClock
>
>
> Does this help?
>
> Ken Ray
> Sons of Thunder Software
> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Ro Nagey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 12:14 PM
> Subject: The learning curve is the burning curve
>
>
> >
> > As if being unable to play a sound isn't embarrassing enough...
> >
> > I tried the "send" vs. "idle" example...called
> "updateClock"...watched the
> > time get placed in the field...sat around...and nothing.
> >
> > Getting the feeling that I can't do anything right...
> >
> > Ro
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The learning curve is the burning curve

[Ro Nagey]

As if being unable to play a sound isn't embarrassing enough...

I tried the "send" vs. "idle" example...called "updateClock"...watched the
time get placed in the field...sat around...and nothing.

Getting the feeling that I can't do anything right...

Ro

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RE: The sound of silence

[Ro Nagey]

Not running a QT moviejust trying to play a sound. Thanks.

Ro

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> Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 12:01 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: The sound of silence
> 
> 
> Hi Ro and Chipp,
> 
> 
> this is an excerpt from a conversation i had with Mr. Scott Raney,
> concerning "play ac..." an players...
> 
> It may help...
> 
> >
> > 2. (windows only)
> > One cannot use quicktime(-players) and "play ac xxx" together.
> > Of course not together at the same time but you can't mix them.
> > Multisounds with QT or single-sound with "play..."
> > Even the (system) "beep" command does not work then.
> >
> > Right ?
> >
> >> Right.
> >
> > Looks like QT is taking over the universe ;-)
> >
> >> QT *will* play most sound files with "play vc xxx" and will mix when
> >> required, though you can only have one ac playing at a time.
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> 
> Regards
> 
> Klaus Major
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RE: The sound of silence

[Ro Nagey]

You can imagine how embarrassing it is to say "I can't play a sound"...

Using Windows 98, I played the sound from the desktop, using WinAmp...works
fine. I import the sound. Tried playing the sound. Nothing. Exited RunRev,
restarted, and clicked the button...nothing. When I 'put the result' it
gives a number that *might* represent the seconds since the button was last
pressed.

Just for the fun of it, I created a SECOND btn that had the same script. It,
too, returns a result that is always increasing and, apparently, in relation
to the result returned from the first btn.



> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Chipp Walters
> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 11:25 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: The sound of silence
>
>
> play audioclip "curly.wav"
>
> works for me. Are you sure the name of the clip is "curly.wav"
>
> Use the Application Overview to check.
> Speakers plugged in ;-)
>
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ro Nagey
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 8:26 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: The sound of silence
> >
> >
> > OK, being the moron I am, I am having trouble deciphering how to play a
> > sound.
> >
> > I imported a sound into my stack "curly.wav"
> >
> > There's a button that says:  --
> > on mouseup
> >play audioclip "curly.wav"
> >answer the result
> > end mouseup
> >
> > the result is random and increasing
> >
> > I can create a playercontrol with an external sound and have a btn that
> > works:
> > on mouseup
> >   start player "playit"
> > end mouseup
> >
> > but that doesn't take care of the internal sound.
> >
> > So, quite obviously, I am missing something wrong...and, no
> > doubt, obvious.
> >
> > What am I missing...how do I play a sound I've imported into the stack?
> >
> > TIA,
> > Ro Nagey
> >
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The sound of silence

[Ro Nagey]

OK, being the moron I am, I am having trouble deciphering how to play a
sound.

I imported a sound into my stack "curly.wav"

There's a button that says:  --
on mouseup
   play audioclip "curly.wav"
   answer the result
end mouseup

the result is random and increasing

I can create a playercontrol with an external sound and have a btn that
works:
on mouseup
  start player "playit"
end mouseup

but that doesn't take care of the internal sound.

So, quite obviously, I am missing something wrong...and, no doubt, obvious.

What am I missing...how do I play a sound I've imported into the stack?

TIA,
Ro Nagey

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RE: Vertical or horizontal progress bars

[Ro Nagey]

Thanks, Ken. I hope this gets fixed in a future release.

I've written my own version to meet my immediate needs- very quick and
dirty. I may write up something more formal as I also want to change the
color of the "thumb" [or whatever you call it when it's a progress bar] on
the fly.

Ro



> You can't have a vertical progress bar. The only thing you can have is a
> vertical scroll bar or scale (neither of which "fill up").
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Ken Ray
> Sons of Thunder Software
> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Ro Nagey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 3:43 AM
> Subject: Vertical or horizontal progress bars
>
>
> > Weird behavior...I have a horizontal progress bar. It works fine.
> >
> > I copy it, rename it, set it to being a vertical scrollbar. Amazingly
> > enough, no matter what I set the thumbpos to, it doesn't fill up the
> > progress bar.
> >
> > What incredibly stupid thing am I doing?
> >
> > Ro Nagey
> > Royal Software, Inc.
> >
>

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Vertical or horizontal progress bars

[Ro Nagey]

Weird behavior...I have a horizontal progress bar. It works fine.

I copy it, rename it, set it to being a vertical scrollbar. Amazingly
enough, no matter what I set the thumbpos to, it doesn't fill up the
progress bar.

What incredibly stupid thing am I doing?

Ro Nagey
Royal Software, Inc.

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