Re: OT: Morfik is now free

2010-11-12 Thread stephen barncard
It's for making WEB apps (sites really)  not desktop...

On 12 November 2010 03:26, Richmond  wrote:

> On 11/12/2010 08:38 AM, Mark Wieder wrote:
>
>> All-
>>
>> Morfik 3 has just been released, the licensing restrictions are gone,
>> and it's now free.
>>
>> http://www.morfik.com/
>>
>>  Jolly good: although when one goes to the Morfik website it does
> not tell one which operating systems Morfik functions on; typically
> arrogant Windows-centric viewpoint!!!
>
> It also doesn't seem to indicate which OSes it builds for.
>
> Won't function under WINE 1.3.6
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Re: revServer Documentation

2010-11-11 Thread stephen barncard
You will need this obscure but incredibly important little document.
http://samples.on-rev.com/irev-engine-notes.txt

It's the only technical manual for the server product.

On 11 November 2010 11:11, Andrew Kluthe  wrote:

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> Hey all,
>
> I am getting my hands wet for the first time playing with revServer through
> my on-rev account. I couldn't find much information on its features and
> what
> is and isn't available to revServer on the samples site. This seems to be
> the only documentation I could find.
>
> Is there a dictionary or a user guide or a different mailing list for
> revServer that I can refer to? Also, are there any good third party hubs
> for
> revServer articles or samples?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Andrew
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Re: Beachball cursor

2010-11-09 Thread stephen barncard
gee - I thought those ones created by the online generator were pretty good!

you'll have to roll your own - hey that's fun...

On 9 November 2010 08:40, Joe Lewis Wilkins  wrote:

> Thanks for the thoughts and suggestions, fellas.
>
> Guess I'll "someday" get around to implementing a "busy" cursor to my
> liking.
>
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Re: [OT] legality of DVD backup

2010-11-08 Thread stephen barncard
What you described is 'fair use' in the US. It means 'backup copy for
personal use'.

On 8 November 2010 10:35, Richmond  wrote:

> My EFL school is slowly migrating from a mixed Mac and Ubuntu school to
> being
> a 100% Ubuntu school. However, for some reason which escapes me DVD
> playback
> on my Ubuntu boxes is, at best, "lumpy".
>
> Therefore I am proposing to make ISO images of all the DVDs that I own and
> use on
> a regular basis onto the hard disk of my main content delivery machine; I
> will always
> have the physical DVDs present in the classroom.
>
> This will allow my Ubuntu box to play my DVDs normally.
>
> Can anyone advise me as to the legality of this action?
>
> Morally I have no qualms whatever; without this process I would have to,
> either, purchase a TV and a DVD player, or, a Mac.
>
> sincerely, Richmond.
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Re: serial port problems

2010-11-07 Thread stephen barncard
I think that the no-name adaptor might be a problem.  I've successfully used
the KEYSPAN adaptor with  Rev recently with version 4. I have not tested the
KEYSPAN with 4.5.

search google for
keyspan<http://www.google.com/search?q=keyspan+serial+adaptor&hl=en&safe=off&client=safari&rls=en&prmd=s&source=univ&tbs=shop:1&tbo=u&ei=dPzWTMK8HIS2sAOrpYCNCw&sa=X&oi=product_result_group&ct=title&resnum=3&ved=0CEIQrQQwAg&biw=1577&bih=951>

On 7 November 2010 07:18, Larry Walker wrote:

> I am trying to read data from a "serial port" (using a USB-serial adaptor).
>
> I am on a MacBook Pro running 10.5.8, using LiveCode 4.5, and Prolific
> model 2303 USB-serial adaptor.
>
>
> ; I believe I'm doing just as he suggests (except for the no-name adaptor I
> bought),





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Re: [OT] Browsing the internet... It is safer from Linux?

2010-10-31 Thread stephen barncard
Peter, where do you get these 'facts' about the security and vulnerability
of MacOS today? Your statement just doesn't match up with my experience with
the OS.

"Dead Duck?"


On 31 October 2010 02:22, Peter Alcibiades wrote:

>   OSX is a dead duck almost right away, Windows
> not long after, and Linux holds out longest.  But I don't know what the
> starting setup is on the windows installation.
>
> Peter
>

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Re: [OT] Browsing the internet... It is safer from Linux?

2010-10-30 Thread stephen barncard
Alejandro , When did you last hear about a Mac virus?

I don't like to boast, but..

I practice safe computing and a good router and don't use any anti-virus
software at all on any of my 4 macs. Haven't had a virus problem since 2002.
All running Leopard. Am I being foolish?

I find the need for the annoying McCaffe software when I've used XP quite
disgusting. If the OS is so bad you have to use a third party app to
'protect' yourself

The symbiotic relationship between McCaffee and Microsoft is kinda creepy.
There's even a button I did not install that goes to their website imbedded
in IE 6.

Downloads are almost always easy fast and safe on macs


On 30 October 2010 14:25, Alejandro Tejada  wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Recently I have been considering seriously to unplug all
> my Windows computers from the internet and
> use only Linux to browse and download updates.
>
> In truth,
> How safe is using Linux browsers in the internet?
> Most exploits seems directed to Windows and Mac users
> but are Linux users really exempt from these risks???
>
> What are your first hand experiences with the most common
> security risks under the Linux platform?
>
> http://www.owasp.org/index.php/Main_Page
>
> http://e-articles.info/e/a/title/Which-Are-The-Most-Common-Network-Security-Risks/
>
> http://www.bangkokpost.com/tech/technews/34952/today-10-most-common-security-threats-on-the-net
> http://www.brighthub.com/internet/security-privacy/articles/3438.aspx
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> Alejandro
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Re: Stress-testing SQLite -- millions records? Use Valentina DB

2010-10-30 Thread stephen barncard
Yes, I've been waiting for Ruslan to chime in here.   Valentina has been the
*elephant in the room* in this discussion and I find it slightly odd that
Richard (no newbie in the Rev world) hadn't considered this product for his
project.

If I were starting a new db project right now and wasn't forced into mySQL
by the client, I would take a serious look at the Valentina  ADK.

Right now they are offering the beta of Valentina Studio Pro for free ( and
there's a free Valentina Linux server for non-commercial use - Richmond?)

geesh, I just talked myself into finally trying this product myself.

I don't see any other db company bending over backward to serve Rev/Livecode
users.   And we even have Ruslan on the list here


On 29 October 2010 23:28, Ruslan Zasukhin
wrote:

> On 10/30/10 3:17 AM, "Richard Gaskin"  wrote:
>
> Hi Richard,
>
> > I have a need coming up for a data store that can robustly handle at
> > least a million records, ideally up to five million, where each record
> > may be as large as 5k.
> >
> > I don't need relationality, so for me SQLite is an option but only an
> > option; I'm happy to consider other options as well. (Yes, it has to be
> > SQLite rather than MySQL, because it needs to work embedded with a
> > commercial application).
>
> Valentina DB is faster 100 times of SqlLite, mySQL
>
> And can be perfectly embedded into commercial application because it is
> royalty free.
>
>
> > Have any of you done stress testing on SQLite to that degree?
> >
> > I've tried finding even anecdotal data on the web for SQLite limits, and
> > while I can find citations of theoretical limits I haven't come across
> > real-world usage stories of data sets that large.
> >
> > Should I be confident in SQLite as a storage solution for that?  Should
> > I be scared?
>
> SCARED :)
>
> > Thanks in advance for sharing your experiences with large data sets if
> > SQLite.
>
> You need Valentina DB.
>
> Okay you need 5K for each record.
> How many fields?
>
> Let me remind that Valentina has columnar format.
> This is huge advantage.
>
> Also Valentina can give you not only SQL way but NON-SQL way,
> Which can be additionally 10-20 times faster!
>
> --
> I can tell you store, that Valentina was tested for AOL Europe by their dev
> team. Against Berkly,  mySQL, postgre, and other dbs. SqlLite even was not
> in game of course.
>
> Task was so simple. Table has 2 fields {URL, PictureBannerAd }
>
> So when somebody ask for a WEB page, it needs find banner to be shown.
>
> As they told, e.g. Berkly have give 100 faults per time (min our hour I not
> remember now).  Other dbs also. Fault means that banner was not found  by
> DB
> in time less of timeout.
>
> Valentina have give them zero faults.
>
>
> Let me underline this very important feature NON-SQL-ness of Valentina.
> As well as very powerful SQL.
>
> Today is very modern stream talk about how SQL DBs are bad, and how cool
> are
> NON-SQL with Key-Value.  Guys, be happy, Valentina is perfect for both
> tasks. :-)
>
> If talk about details, in V4REV API (and most others Valentina ADKs) you
> can
> use not SQL way to do searches and sortngs using
>   VField_FindValue()
>   VField_FindRange()
>   VField_FindLike()
>
> And other similar search methods.  They are really FASTEST POSIBLE way.
>
>
> --
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>
> Ruslan Zasukhin
> VP Engineering and New Technology
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>
> Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
> http://www.paradigmasoft.com
>
> [I feel the need: the need for speed]
>
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Re: html entities

2010-10-29 Thread stephen barncard
One could roll a special getprop handler that lives in the script of the
field (and / or controlled by a behavior for several fields ) that can
change the text (using replace or merge) to anything you want:

*instead of *
get the htmltext of fld xxx

*call your getprop property instead*
get the htmlConvertedEntitiesText of fld xxx

On 29 October 2010 07:53, Chris Sheffield  wrote:

> Got a small problem and wondering if there's any way around it.
>
> When getting the htmlText of a field, is there any way to make Rev/LiveCode
> return the numeric html entities of special characters? So for example, if I
> have a word in Spanish, like "día" (accented i), if I put that into a text
> field and get the htmlText property of that field, is there any way to
> return the string "día" instead of "día"? When setting the
> htmlText property, either one works, but Rev always returns the latter.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Thanks,
> Chris
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Re: This probably reflects my complete ignorance, but...

2010-10-29 Thread stephen barncard
Chip. That photo is hilarious. Was that some band promo fail or something?
Creepy. Perfect for your demo though.

On 29 October 2010 01:48, Chipp Walters  wrote:

> go URL ("http://www.widgetgadget.com/stuff/testLineDraw.rev";)
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Re: Auto-updating apps, and splash screens.

2010-10-28 Thread stephen barncard
Search for "Magic Carpet" at Chipp's site.

On 28 October 2010 21:10, Jim Sims  wrote:

> Alex - search the List archives for Chipp's updater, he has a few posts
> that outline what seems to be a good system and gives some excellent advice.
>
> sims
>
> ---
> On Oct 29, 2010, at 1:21 AM, Alex Tweedly wrote:
>
> >
> > I have a little app that will be used on a number of computers, so I want
> it to check for a new version being available, and update itself if needed
> (and desired).  I know the easy way to do this is to have the executable be
> basically a 'splash screen' that starts the *real* stack, and therefore the
> real stack can be updated.
> > Does anyone have a sample stack / app showing this ?
> >
> > And, what do you as app users prefer
> >
> > 1. The app automatically updates itself when a new version is available.
> > 2. The app downloads the new version automatically, and then (next time?)
> on startup asks if you want to install the update.
> > 3. The app lets yo know there is a new version available, and asks if it
> should download / install the update.
> > 4. Something else.
>
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Re: [OT] "LaunchPad" is a registered trademark - of Canonical Inc.

2010-10-23 Thread stephen barncard
that's hilarious. had me fooled. Ahhh unicode.

On 23 October 2010 16:05, Colin Holgate  wrote:

>
> On Oct 23, 2010, at 6:59 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:
>
> > Thanks for that. I was worried about my new app called EYE-tunes. I now
> > expect no legal concerns from Apple because mine's spelled different from
> > there's.
>
>
> Perhaps you could get away with calling it something with inverted text:
> sǝunʇı
>
>
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Re: VideoGrabber: dropping last second of sound

2010-10-22 Thread stephen barncard
yes, I'm guessing that it's not flushing the audio buffer on close. Another
coding error that's been there for ages.

I'd suggest that your stop sequence include some kind of delay before
actually stopping the recording, so the talent stops speaking earlier than
the actual time it stops, and it should all work out. *Send in time* would
work well for this...

Colin, check out videograbber, it's fairly useful for some limited video
chores. It's inside every installation (in the mac package
Contents:Tools:Resources:Sample Projects: folder as Video Capture.rev)  --
they actually fixed most of it in the last updates.

On 22 October 2010 10:44, Ben Rubinstein  wrote:

> We've used LiveCode to create an unattended system in a public environment
> which is recording several hundred short video clips a day.  The clips are
> variable length - controlled by the person who is recording a message -
> typically 10-30 second each.
>
> In a small number of cases, the last second of audio is lost.  The actual
> sound track is shorter than the video track; and in the very small sample of
> cases I've so far being able to inspect (2 clips) it was almost exactly 1
> second shorter.
>
> Has anyone else encountered this or a similar problem?
>
> TIA,
>
> Ben
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Re: Keyboards

2010-10-22 Thread stephen barncard
HI, Mike,

There are actually two models, the full size USB 105 key version with num
keypad, and the wireless, smaller version.

if you haven't tried one of the 'newer' mac keyboards, they're not as
impractical and non-tactile as they look.
They take a little getting used to, but they are not chicklets, as in the
Texas Instruments personal computer disaster. I now prefer them over PC-like
keyboards. They're light and easy to pack in luggage.

In other words, don't knock it until you've actually used one. They will
take the abuse, but of course any keyboard used every day will get worn out
after a few years. I'm buying another one of these things soon.

On 22 October 2010 07:35, Mike Kerner  wrote:

> Well, the possibility of being able to use RR...ERR LC to develop iOS apps
> caused me to buy a Mac Mini, my first desktop in a while.  For the first
> time in a long time I'm looking for a keyboard.
>
> Since I spend a lot of my day banging on keys, I'm looking for something
> that doesn't feel like 5h!7, and will put up with the abuse.
>
> I WANT to like the Apple-branded keyboards, but my first impression is that
> I don't like the chicklets on the wireless version, and I think I want a
> full 105 key keyboard.
>
> I've been to Best Buy but I haven't found one that feels good under my
> fingers.
>
> Suggestions?
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Re: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-21 Thread stephen barncard
I think Java "apps" are not self-contained and require a separate runtime on
the machine.

On 21 October 2010 11:44, Chipp Walters  wrote:

> I read somewhere that Java apps would NOT be allowed. Not sure that bodes
> well for Rev.
>
>
> On Oct 21, 2010, at 1:09 PM, Colin Holgate  wrote:
>
> >  I think that LiveCode standalones ought to come under that ok.
> >
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Re: crop command

2010-10-21 Thread stephen barncard
Regardless of the method of acquiring, the data has to be put in RAM for any
kind of manipulation, including cropping or resizing.

sqb

On 21 October 2010 11:11, Vokey, John  wrote:

> LiveCode graphics gurus:
>  I have to process a few thousand photograph files through a simple set of
> manipulations that scales, translates and rotates the images to a common
> standard, and then crops them to a fixed size.  The code is simple, except
> apparently the crop command doesn't work on file-based image objects.  How
> do I manipulate the file-based image to allow for the crop command?
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>
>
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Re: XMLRPC question

2010-10-21 Thread stephen barncard
Welcome to the list, Leland.

I don't know the exact differences, but Key Ray has created an alternative
library for XML in Revolution - many users say it's a better implementation.

http://www.sonsothunder.com/products/xmllib/xmllib.htm

sqb


On 21 October 2010 09:29, Leland Vandervort  wrote:

>
> Hi All,
>
> Apologies in advance if something along these lines has already been raised
> on the mailing list ‹ having just joined the list at the suggestion of
> runrev support.
>
> I did try via the forums and looking around the wider net for some
> information, but have drawn blanks.
>
> Please see below the cruxt of the question/problem that I posted to the
> forums.
>
> Thanks in advance for any guidance, advice, pointers, etc.
>
> Regards,
>
> Leland
>
> --
>
> >From the forums:
>
> I have an application that I'm trying to prototype that makes extensive use
> of XMLRPC, including advanced data structures (such as arrays/array-refs,
> hashes/hashrefs, and even arrays with embedded hashes which themselves may
> contain additional arrays with further embedded hashes etc.)
> I can manage to do just about any manipulation that I need to do for XMLRPC
> in Perl, but I'm finding the revXMLRPC functions to be very cumbersome with
> unclear documentation and almost no working examples available that I've
> been able to find.  To be honest, I'm not even sure of the revXMLRPC
> functions even de-serialise the encapsulated XML data to return standard
> data structures, or if I then have to use additional functions from revXML
> to do that.
>
> Perl, of course, contains a number of various libraries to work with XMLRPC
> and simply deserialises the data to return a data structure with which I
> can
> work.
>
> Given that LiveCode/Revolution is toted as "less coding, and more
> productive", I'm at a loss to find an equivalent to the types of things
> that
> I'm trying to do here.
>
> For example, with just a few lines in Perl, I can use (in this example) a
> couple of XMLRPC calls to obtain a list of virtual machines from a cloud
> provider, and the current data concerning those machines.  (using the
> Frontier::RPC library for this) .. example:
>
> --- code ---
> # other stuff snipped here to get to the nitty gritty
> my %vms ;   #empty hash to store the details of my VMs
>
> # login to rpc server
> my $rpc = Frontier::Client->new( url => $server_url );
> my $key = $rpc->call('login',$username,$password);
>
> # got my key now start calling various methods...
> my $vm_list = $rpc->call('vm.list',$key);
>
> # now iterate the vm.list and get the info for each vm and store it into a
> local hash for manipulation
> foreach my $vm (@{$vm_list}) {
> my $vm_info = $rpc->call('vm_info',$key,$vm->{id});
> # store the data in my %vms hash
> $vms{$vm_info->{id}} = $vm_info ;
> }
> $rpc->close();
>
> # now I can do whatever I like with the data...
> # like iterate through the list and display some useful data...
>
> foreach my $vm (keys %vms) {
>   print "VM ID:  $vms{$vm}->{id}  --  Hostname:  $vms{$vm}->{hostname}  --
> State:  $vms{$vm}->{state}\n";
>
>   # get a list of interfaces in the VM:
>   print "Interface List...\n";
>
>   foreach my $if (@{$vms{$vm}->{ifaces}}) {
>   print "Interface ID:  $if->{id} -- Speed: $if->{bandwidth} -- Status:
> $if->{state}\n";
>   }
> }
> --- end code ---
>
>
> I can't seem to find a "reasonable" way to do this in livecode/revolution
> with the limited examples/documentation that I have available (and I have
> hard-copies of the RunRev 4.0 user manual, and the 3.0 dictionaries volumes
> 1 and 2) -- Just wondering if there is a relatively straightforward way of
> accomplishing the equivalent of the above in livecode as I cannot find any
> suitable examples after spending hours searching the forums, and the wider
> net...
>
>
> Thanks in advance for any pointers, tips, or references that may be useful!
>
> Regards,
>
> L.
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Re: on-rev remote database

2010-10-19 Thread stephen barncard
wow. I was wrong. thanks


s
On 19 October 2010 13:24, Mike Bonner  wrote:

> Look on cPanel under databases section, theres a link for remote mysql.
> This is on Odin.
>
> On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 2:09 PM, stephen barncard <
> stephenrevoluti...@barncard.com> wrote:
>
> > It's not available in cpanel now. I looked. I thought it was in the USERS
> > and / or MySQL area a while ago.
> >
> > On 19 October 2010 12:22, Mike Bonner  wrote:
> >
> > > Pretty sure you can, check the tool in cpanel, I believe I read in
> there
> > > that % is allowable.
> > >
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Re: on-rev remote database

2010-10-19 Thread stephen barncard
It's not available in cpanel now. I looked. I thought it was in the USERS
and / or MySQL area a while ago.

On 19 October 2010 12:22, Mike Bonner  wrote:

> Pretty sure you can, check the tool in cpanel, I believe I read in there
> that % is allowable.
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Re: on-rev remote database

2010-10-19 Thread stephen barncard
This is not a universal restriction with all web hosts. Datamost, for
instance, will allow any number of MYSQL databases and the user can tie
those DB users with any end computers' IPs from the Dreamhost control panel.
In fact, it's possible to use the % wild card and specify partial or even
all domains (not recommended) so it could work from anywhere. Dreamhost
gives their users a lot of rope (including shell access over ssh.). On-Rev
is more restrictive.

Of course if you need and are using on-rev, then you would need to buy and
install revserver at Dreamhost as well.

For best security (and if you have thousands of users, it's really
recommended) to use the cgi 'firewall' as suggested to protect your server
and clients' data. You will find that

opening and closing MYSQL frequently has almost no overhead, compared to
returning the data to the client.

the "hit" that the server will take with a cgi firewall will be minimal. Rev
server is FAST.

On 19 October 2010 04:56, Len Morgan  wrote:

>  This is all a moot point now since I have just been informed by Heather
> that the only way the on-rev server can be set up to do this is if you give
> them all of the IP addresses that people are going to connect from and they
> will allow those IP addresses to connect.  This of course will never work
> with a large potential user base of hundreds or thousands.  I guess I'm
> going to have to throw away everything I've done so far and start over with
> the web based approach that Pierre suggested.  It's going to kill my
> performance but it's the only option I've got open to me at this point.
>
> len morgan
>
>
> On 10/19/2010 2:27 AM, Pierre Sahores wrote:
>
>> Le 18 oct. 2010 à 20:41, Andrew Kluthe a écrit :
>>
>>  The client never actually gets the login credentials for the database
>>> because they are stored in our private "big" client DB. On startup the
>>> rev
>>> program fetches the credentials from our database and connects to theirs
>>> to
>>> begin working with it.
>>>
>> Definitively the way to go !
>>
>>> I would hate to have to rewrite my entire suite of programs to center
>>> around
>>> an irev script for the transactions. I would love to use On-Rev as a
>>> database host because of how close it is to where I am located and the
>>> power
>>> of revServer.
>>>
>> If you prefer, you can do this in having your client (web browser or
>> LiveCode ria app) posting their credentials to a PHP script indeed but in
>> any case you will have to be sure that the server-side script will respond
>> to the clients requests and interact with the db-backend only when each
>> client will have been authenticated as allowed to interact with its own
>> account on your on-line app.
>>
>> If most of your customers are, alike mine, using dynamic IP to connect the
>> cloud and subsequently your or mine on-line apps, an IP-based authentication
>> system will not be usable nor safe at all in such a context.
>>
>> HTH,
>>
>> --
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>> mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70
>>
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>> www.sahores-conseil.com
>>
>>
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Re: [ANN] Simple RPN Calculator on RevOnline

2010-10-13 Thread stephen barncard
except '*dup*'  - ha

On 13 October 2010 14:44,  wrote:

> Andre.
>
> All four registers, x,y, z and t are identical, and reside in a single LIFO
> stack:
>
> T
> Z
> Y
> X
>
> "X" is the register that is visible. The upper ones are above it, take a
> tiny bit of getting used to, and then unleash their power.
>
> One enters data from the keyboard into "x". "Enter" simply says: terminate
> data entry, and move the data in "x" to "y", "y" to "z" and "z" to "t" (t
> is
> lost). Any operator, like "+" says: add y to x, leave the answer in x; move
> "z" to "y", move "t" to "z" and leave a copy of "t" in "t".
>
> There is a "switch x and y" button, and a "rollDown" button, that shifts
> data downward, one register to another, and passes "x" back up to "t".
>
> That's it. That's all one needs.
>
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Re: Property profiles apparently broken in LiveCode 4.5

2010-10-13 Thread stephen barncard
 I've never really understood how profiles are supposed work -

On a this list a few months ago property profiles were discussed, and I got
the feeling there were very few people that actually used these special
properties.

What would they be used for, Language changes? Skinning?

what is the scope of what is supposed to get changed and can that same scope
be reset to the starting settings?  Or could one end up with a mess of
unwanted default property settings?  Just as important, what *doesn't* get
changed?

This would be similar to the trepidation I have using the Geometry
Manager... one slip of the code and it's *curtains* for one's layout.
Or this could be the coolest thing for creating custom objects by script
ever.

the inquiring coder wants to know...

sqb

On 13 October 2010 00:01, David Beck  wrote:

>
> Hello,
>
> Something has apparently changed from 4.0.0 to 4.5 that has badly broken
> some logic in one of my stacks that use property profiles. It looks like the
> behavior of revSetCardProfile may have changed. The stack works as expected
> in 4.0.0 but is broken in 4.5.
>
> Has anybody else experienced problems when using property profiles in 4.5?
> Is this on a list of fixes?
>
> Also, in a separate but closely related question, where can I find a the
> 4.0.0 installer?
>
> Thanks very much.
>
> David Beck
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Re: selectedChunk always empty?

2010-10-10 Thread stephen barncard
perhaps you are defeating your selection by clicking a button or using the
message box

this works from the multi-line message box:


*select text of fld "Field" of card id 1002 of stack "Untitled 1"*

*put the selectedchunk*



if you put this into the script of a button


*on mousedown*

*  put the selectedChunk*

*end mousedown*

then the selection one makes by hand will remain and the selectedchunk will
be placed in the message box output:

char 1 to 22 of field 1

if the "selection" is a blinking cursor then the cursor position will be put
into the message box output:

char 23 to 22 of field 1


if neither the selection made by hand or a blinking cursor is happening,
then empty is returned:


On 10 October 2010 10:50, stephen barncard
wrote:

> what is it supposed to return, all of the text in the field?
>
>
> On 10 October 2010 10:34, Inselfan  wrote:
>
>>
>> Hola Stephen,
>>
>> Thanks for this, but: Yes I have a blinking cursor and YES this
>> (Selectedchunk) works perfect with the same text-field and another button.
>> It is really 1:1
>>
>> Must be something else
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
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Re: Downgrade to 2.9 How to get the Stackscript?

2010-10-10 Thread stephen barncard
you will lose any new features that were added after version 2.9, however
when you do that.

On 10 October 2010 10:56, stephen barncard
wrote:

> using the save dialog to save the 4.5 stack, use the popup below the
> listing and "Save as Legacy Livecode Stack" first
>
>
>
> On 10 October 2010 10:29, Inselfan  wrote:
>
>>
>> Hola,
>>
>> thinking to go back to RR 2.9, so I ask how/where to get the Stackscript
>> back.
>>
>> WHY?
>> All scripts I used and safed with LiveCode4.5 lost the Stack script if I
>> try
>> to use them with 2.9 again. All calls to open the stack-script end with
>> ignorance from RR 2.9 :(
>>
>> Thanks for helping hands
>>
>> Horst
>>
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Re: Downgrade to 2.9 How to get the Stackscript?

2010-10-10 Thread stephen barncard
using the save dialog to save the 4.5 stack, use the popup below the listing
and "Save as Legacy Livecode Stack" first



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>
> Hola,
>
> thinking to go back to RR 2.9, so I ask how/where to get the Stackscript
> back.
>
> WHY?
> All scripts I used and safed with LiveCode4.5 lost the Stack script if I
> try
> to use them with 2.9 again. All calls to open the stack-script end with
> ignorance from RR 2.9 :(
>
> Thanks for helping hands
>
> Horst
>
>
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Re: selectedChunk always empty?

2010-10-10 Thread stephen barncard
what is it supposed to return, all of the text in the field?

On 10 October 2010 10:34, Inselfan  wrote:

>
> Hola Stephen,
>
> Thanks for this, but: Yes I have a blinking cursor and YES this
> (Selectedchunk) works perfect with the same text-field and another button.
> It is really 1:1
>
> Must be something else
>
> Kind regards
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Re: selectedChunk always empty?

2010-10-10 Thread stephen barncard
perhaps you haven't selected a chunk of text in a field? If your field has a
blinking cursor but no selection, that would make the selectedChunk empty,
no?

On 10 October 2010 10:21, Inselfan  wrote:

>
> Hola,
>
> Using 4.5
> Is there a reason, why selectedChunk is always empty???
>
> using 1 field, place the cursor there and then I klick on a button with
> this
> script:
>
> on mouseUp
> put the selectedChunk into tSelectedChunk
> ...
> end mouseup
>
> Whatever I do, tSelectedChunk is empty. Is there any reason, Am I doing
> something wrong?
>
> hoping for a helpfull hand, I send you kind regards
>
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Re: Livecode suffix is a pain

2010-10-08 Thread stephen barncard
I complained about this during the last 4.5 beta on the Improve list.

I too find this inordinately long suffix forced on us very cumbersome and
annoying. In all views, a list of livecode stacks with the long suffix is
distracting due to the repitition and in the case of icon view, it is often
harder to read the whole name due to concentation.   Just because a few
other apps do this doesn't make it right.

On 8 October 2010 10:07, Francis Nugent Dixon  wrote:

> Hi from Beautiful Brittany,
>
> With LiveCode, new stacks are created with the
> .livecode suffix, and this screws up several of my
> utility programs which create paths which assume
> a .rev suffix.
>
> Of course, when I save a new stack, I can always
> replace the livecode suffix with .rev, and this
> seems to cause no problems. But then I have to
> remember each time I create a new stack to make
> that modification.
>
> Question 1 : Do "livecode" suffixed stacks differ
> from ".rev" suffixed stacks ?
>
> Question 2 : Can I automatically have the .rev
> suffix used when creating a livecode stack ?
> (Can't find anything in "Preferences" !)
>
> Question 3 : Why was that change made in the suffix ?
>
> I see that when saving stacks, we have the possibility
> of creating a "legacy stack".
>
> What difference does this make to the stack ?
>
> Having a new product name is all very jolly, and
> certainly affects very few Rev users, but for me
> it's a pain.
>
> -Francis
>
> P.S. If the name "LiveCode" is so important, how
> come that we don't have a "livecode.com" ?
> (I see it already exists, but belongs to "DOTSTER INC")
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Re: [OT+ANN] Just finished a rather large project

2010-10-06 Thread stephen barncard
I had some friends in the early 80's (when I worked for Datamost Games) that
were working for Disney Games. At the time they had a policy against long
hair and beards. I guess that's not so anymore!

On 6 October 2010 15:08, Mark Wieder  wrote:

> Jeff-
>
> Wednesday, October 6, 2010, 12:43:05 PM, you wrote:
>
> > The past 4 months for me have been pretty grueling. But me (and all the
> > wonderful people in my team) have just finished up our latest project and
> > sent it off to Nintendo...
>
> >
> http://disney.go.com/disneyinteractivestudios/product.html?platform=wii&game=disneyepicmickey
>
> The behind-the-scenes clip looks great. This oughta be hitsville.
>
> > That is all.
>
> LOL.
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Re: Plug-ins missing

2010-10-06 Thread stephen barncard
I couldn't find anything aobut it easily so I just 'dicked around' until it
worked!

On 6 October 2010 11:05, Richard Gaskin  wrote:

> stephen barncard wrote:
>
>
> I guess the user is expected to dive into the manual to determine what
> "Extensions" means.
>

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Re: Plug-ins missing

2010-10-06 Thread stephen barncard
tRev, now Remo also can use this location as its default for Remo stuff.

On 6 October 2010 10:59, stephen barncard
wrote:

> it needs to not set to NOT the Plugins folder but the surrounding folder,
> like "My Livecode Stuff".
> mine is set to "Livecode" inside of my "dropbox" directory.
>
>
> On 6 October 2010 10:50, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>
>> stephen barncard wrote:
>>
>>  as mentioned on this list, with 4.5 you need to reset the default user
>>> folder in the IDE settings. Your original prefs for this are not reset
>>> and
>>> Rev does not always create folders. It does not have to be named "My
>>> Whatever" but the directory name needs to be set.
>>>
>>
>> I've set my plugins directory in LiveCode Prefs, but re-launch LC it seems
>> it doesn't find them - none appear in the Plugins menu, only the default
>> ones.
>>
>> Is this a known issue, or is there something odd with my installation?
>>
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Re: Plug-ins missing

2010-10-06 Thread stephen barncard
it needs to not set to NOT the Plugins folder but the surrounding folder,
like "My Livecode Stuff".
mine is set to "Livecode" inside of my "dropbox" directory.

On 6 October 2010 10:50, Richard Gaskin  wrote:

> stephen barncard wrote:
>
>  as mentioned on this list, with 4.5 you need to reset the default user
>> folder in the IDE settings. Your original prefs for this are not reset and
>> Rev does not always create folders. It does not have to be named "My
>> Whatever" but the directory name needs to be set.
>>
>
> I've set my plugins directory in LiveCode Prefs, but re-launch LC it seems
> it doesn't find them - none appear in the Plugins menu, only the default
> ones.
>
> Is this a known issue, or is there something odd with my installation?
>
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Re: Plug-ins missing

2010-10-06 Thread stephen barncard
as mentioned on this list, with 4.5 you need to reset the default user
folder in the IDE settings. Your original prefs for this are not reset and
Rev does not always create folders. It does not have to be named "My
Whatever" but the directory name needs to be set.

On 6 October 2010 09:27,  wrote:

> LiveCode did not make a new plug-ins folder, it seems to use the old Rev
> one.
>
> I have a few of these in the old Rev plug-ins folder, which did some stuff
> on startup. They no longer show up in the "plug-ins" submenu of the
> "Development" menu (in liveCode) even though they are still in that folder.
>
> So why can't LiveCode see mine, but does see the several default ones?
>
> Thanks.
>
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Re: Revlets make Safari to crash on Mac OS X 10.6.4!?

2010-10-05 Thread stephen barncard
I still think it's all because of ^%$$#^^#^ Flash.  10.6.4 crashing browser,
usually during a flash movie.

I love to blame flash for everything wrong in my life.

On 5 October 2010 02:46, Medard  wrote:

> J. Landman Gay  wrote:
>
> > I had the same experience with another non-rev app. Full system lockup,
> > requiring a hard power reset to reboot the Mac. It was the same deal, it
> > started after installing the 10.6.4 update.
>
> When I think I avoided the 10.6.3 upgrade, as I heard of numerous
> problem with this version
>
> So I jumped directly from 10.6.2 to 10.6.4
>
> grin, grin...
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Re: Which app has which ports

2010-10-04 Thread stephen barncard
check out WIRESHARK <http://www.wireshark.org/download.html> for network
investigations.

On 4 October 2010 21:43, Neal Campbell  wrote:

> Many port sniffers will tell you that, google and see if you can find one!
>
> Neal Campbell
> Abroham Neal Software
> www.abrohamnealsoftware.com
> (540) 645 5394
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 10:41 PM, Bob Sneidar  wrote:
>
> > sometimes i forget that there are people who use Windows. (jab jab)
> >
> > Mac, but i am not looking for what ports are open, but which app opened
> > them.
> >
> > Bob
> >
> >
> > On Oct 4, 2010, at 7:06 PM, Neal Campbell wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Bob
> > >
> > > No idea which platform you are using but google "port sniffer" and I am
> > sure
> > > you will find something that works for you.
> > > Best wishes.
> > > Neal Campbell
> > > Abroham Neal Software
> > > www.abrohamnealsoftware.com
> > > (540) 645 5394
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 8:37 PM, Bob Sneidar  wrote:
> > >
> > >> Anyone know how to find which application opened a certain port? I
> have
> > a
> > >> mail server that wants to run LDAP but can't because the default port
> is
> > >> open. I have no idea which app would have that port open!
> > >>
> > >> Bob
> > >>
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Re: Revlets make Safari to crash on Mac OS X 10.6.4!?

2010-10-04 Thread stephen barncard
BTW methinks the new FLASH 10.x stuff is crashing the current Safari version
- I finally switched to the latest WEBKIT browser daily build  (the latest
beta of Safari, really):

http://webkit.org/


On 4 October 2010 10:43, Jeff Reynolds  wrote:

> Médard,
>
> works fine on safari 5.0.2 on 10.5.8, so not 5.0.2 by itself seems to be a
> problem. i can try 5.0.2/10.6.4 late today for you.
>
> cheers
>
> jeff
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 4, 2010, at 9:32 AM, use-revolution-requ...@lists.runrev.com wrote:
>
>  your revlets work for me: MacOSX 10.6.4, Safari 5.0.2, MacBook Pro Intel.
>>>
>>
>> Thank you, and also to all who have responded :-)
>>
>> Mmm... I forgot the new Safari version 5.x as a possible culprit*
>> -- but I see that it works on your machine!
>>
>> * Safari 5 has a new "extension" scheme
>> is it possible it may conflict with the nprevweb extension?
>>
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Re: RevMobile Discussions

2010-10-03 Thread stephen barncard
yes! Runrev, PLEASE FREE THE ON-REV CLIENT and API.

What is the big "secret", anyway?


sqb

On 3 October 2010 13:55, David Bovill  wrote:

> On 3 October 2010 17:40, Michael D Mays 
> wrote:
>
> A classic example is the On-Rev client. Locking that thing up in a
> standalone was completely pointless. Active members of the community could
> have rolled their own versions of a client (ie based on an informal API),
> that would have been orders of magnitude better than the current offering.
>
> It would not have mattered if this API moved fast (it hasn't anyway), nor
> would it matter if they withdrew the API / charged for it / locked things
> down afterwards (as long as we knew this was a possibility up front).
>
> We can only hope that this old-school business logic is replaced by a saner
> cooperation with developers, a saner use of common technologies to
> integrate
> the various lists, forums, and bug tracking, and an intelligent use of open
> content licensing for some of the IDE components.
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Re: Storing an Array as a Custom Property

2010-10-02 Thread stephen barncard
there are no  property names with spaces.

sqb

On 2 October 2010 17:10, Joe Lewis Wilkins  wrote:

> Sorry, but I  said "TAB on Return", which IS a field property.
>
> Joe Wilkins
>
> On Oct 2, 2010, at 2:56 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>
> > Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:
> >
> > > While we're talking about bugs, I found that you cannot change
> > > the field property "TAB on Return" from the multi line msg box.
> >
> > That's because there is no property called "Tab in Return".
> >
> > By default, the Rev Property Inspector hides the "English-like" names
> used in the language and instead shows what is presumably an
> "Even-More-English-Like" label.  The problem is that there is then no direct
> way to know the name of the property you're setting.
> >
> > In this case the actual property name is "autoTab".
> >
> >
> > The first thing I tell my clients to do when they begin learning Rev is:
> >
> > 1. Go to Preferences
> > 2. In the section with the heading "Property labels are:", click the
> >   option labeled "Name of LiveTalk Property".
> >
> > Once that's done the Inspector provides reinforcement of the tokens
> you'll have to learn for scripting anyway.
> >
> > And without that, as you've found it just raises the learning curve.
> >
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Re: MYSQL timeout

2010-10-01 Thread stephen barncard
google mail seems to keep the threads straignt. Better than any other mailer
I've used.

On 1 October 2010 17:19, Terry Judd  wrote:

> That's what I did, so it makes sense.
>
> Terry...
>
> On 02/10/2010, at 4:56 AM, "Bob Sneidar"  wrote:
>
> > Aye. Methinks that when someone replies to an email from the list, there
> is some kind of identifier in the email that tells a mailer it belongs to a
> particular thread. So if someone replies to one thread, but substitutes the
> subject with an entirely new subject, some mailers might just think they
> were still the same thread.
> >
> > That's my theory and I'm sticking to it. :-)
> >
> > Bob
> >
> >
> > On Oct 1, 2010, at 9:52 AM, stephen barncard wrote:
> >
> >> perhaps only in your mailer.
> >>
> >> On 1 October 2010 11:28, Bob Sneidar  wrote:
> >>
> >>> No offense, but how in the HECK did this get stuck in the middle of the
> >>> "IPad's competitor from RIM" thread?
> >>>
> >>> Bob
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Sep 28, 2010, at 6:20 PM, Terry Judd wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> The problem of lengthy timeouts when trying to connect to a MSQL
> server
> >>> that
> >>>> is down/offline is bugging me again. It seems like the default timeout
> is
> >>> 60
> >>>> seconds which is way too long to wait for a response but there's no
> >>> obvious
> >>>> way to override it. The socketTimeoutInterval has no effect and while
> >>> I've
> >>>> got some old code laying around that suggests setting an environment
> >>>> variable ($MYSQL_CLIENT_TIMEOUT) it doesn't work either.
> >>>>
> >>>> Any ideas?
> >>>>
> >>>> Terry...
> >>>>
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[OT][FYI] Graphic Converter 7 has been released.

2010-10-01 Thread stephen barncard
I know a lot of people on this list probably use Graphic Converter as a
less-expensive "Photoshop" and Thorsten Lemke has released his latest
version, and it ROCKS.  He's offereing an incredibly reasonable upgrade
offer, and after 5 minutes with this version, I upgraded from the last
version for about $25 US. WOW is all I can say. Great features not available
anywhere else, not even PS. This is a complete rewrite.


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Re: MYSQL timeout

2010-10-01 Thread stephen barncard
perhaps only in your mailer.

On 1 October 2010 11:28, Bob Sneidar  wrote:

> No offense, but how in the HECK did this get stuck in the middle of the
> "IPad's competitor from RIM" thread?
>
> Bob
>
>
> On Sep 28, 2010, at 6:20 PM, Terry Judd wrote:
>
> > The problem of lengthy timeouts when trying to connect to a MSQL server
> that
> > is down/offline is bugging me again. It seems like the default timeout is
> 60
> > seconds which is way too long to wait for a response but there's no
> obvious
> > way to override it. The socketTimeoutInterval has no effect and while
> I've
> > got some old code laying around that suggests setting an environment
> > variable ($MYSQL_CLIENT_TIMEOUT) it doesn't work either.
> >
> > Any ideas?
> >
> > Terry...
> >
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Re: Plugins in LC 4.5

2010-09-29 Thread stephen barncard
livecode prefs:files&memory:user extensions

set to your old "My Revolution Enterprise" (or whatever you want to call it)
using the set button (...)

On 29 September 2010 18:14, Cal Horner  wrote:

> Help me out here!
>
> Either I'm having a brainfreeze or age is catching up with me.
>
> I can't figure out what has been done with the plug in folder that was in
> my
> Revolution (edition). And all the documentation that has been provided is
> leaving me stumped.
>
> Has anyone in the list managed to get plugins to work like in the "good ol'
> days"?
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Re: LiveCode resource center from Rotunda moved

2010-09-29 Thread stephen barncard
I love Rev success stories.

Congats, the site looks great, David.

On 29 September 2010 19:29, David Beck wrote:

>
> Hello all,
>
> The location of the LiveCode resource center from Rotunda, which contains
> free libraries that we use in our commercial applications, has been changed.
> The new location is:
>
> http://www.rotundasoftware.com/livecode/
>
> Also, you may be interested in seeing some more commercial products that
> have been developed in LiveCode. Here is our new website:
>
> http://www.rotundasoftware.com/
>
> Rotunda helps non-profits coordinate their volunteers.
>
> Best,
>
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Re: data from USB joystick

2010-09-26 Thread stephen barncard
So that simple $20 USB joystick that Richmond mentioned is not the exact
solution that the original poster wanted?
That USB Service plus is great for labs but did you see the prices of that
stuff? And it probably has to be shipped from Germany.

On 26 September 2010 21:55, -=>JB<=-  wrote:

> If I understood him correctly he wants to plug any standard USD game
> device into his computer and control it with LiveCode.  For him to use
> the USB Service Plus gadget he might get it to work but then anyone
> using the game he develops would need to buy the gadget which is
> not going to happen so that idea does not seem suitable.
>
> I had mentioned I was working on a serial communications stack that
> was going to allow you to also control X10 and similar home control
> devices accessing a X10 USB or similar device with Livecode.  This
> appears to be feasible by opening the port with livecode and then
> using the right driver to access the USB device.
>
> The problem I had was after opening the serial port I was able to
> send a certain amount of text and then rev would not send anymore
> which makes me think they are using a memory buffer in their code
> that fills up.  So if that is what is happening even if you are able to
> control the USB device it will stop after the buffer is full which means
> you will need to close the port and open it again which empties the
> buffer allowing you to send the same amount of text again.  That is
> going to cause problems if you need to close the port and open it
> again during game play.
>
> -=>JB<=-
>
>
> On Sep 26, 2010, at 7:15 PM, dunb...@aol.com wrote:
>
> > The USB Service Plus gadget would do all this and be fun to work with as
> > well.
> >
> > http://www.bkohg.com/serviceusbplus_e.html
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Re: data from USB joystick

2010-09-26 Thread stephen barncard
unless there's an extension mapping it to the keyboard routines. A
reasonable conclusion.It would be great someone made a joystick as easy
to read as barcode scanner.  It's ironic that the toughest to implement
interfaces were formerly the simplest. ( like the single - bit ports on the
Apple ][)

On 26 September 2010 13:57, Richmond  wrote:

>  On 09/26/2010 09:54 PM, stephen barncard wrote:
>
>> Richmond, many people have tried and failed to grok the USB stuff, and the
>> HID manager appears to not be that simple as keydown. It's not a keyboard,
>> it's a totally different API.
>>
>>
> OK; my mistake was precipitated by my plugging my Nostromo into
> my "new" G3 running Mac OS 10.4.11 and getting an "unknown Keyboard"
> signal.
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Re: ANN: Updated website

2010-09-26 Thread stephen barncard
I love this, one bad-ass revolutionary bass player congratulating another.

On 26 September 2010 12:25, Klaus on-rev  wrote:

> Hi Mark,
>
> > Klaus-
> >
> > ...and turn up the bass...
>
> Yeah, you BET! :-D
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> > mwie...@ahsoftware.net
>
> Best
>
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Re: data from USB joystick

2010-09-26 Thread stephen barncard
Richmond, many people have tried and failed to grok the USB stuff, and the
HID manager appears to not be that simple as keydown. It's not a keyboard,
it's a totally different API.

http://developer.apple.com/library/mac/#samplecode/HID_Manager_Basics/Introduction/Intro.html

On 26 September 2010 12:25, Richmond Mathewson
wrote:

>
> My own inclinations would be to run round the corner and buy a crappy USB
> joystick and plug the
> thing in, and then set up some silly little stack that will pick up the
> signals from the USB stick
>
> [ they cannot be that other-worldly ]
>
> and see whether they can be interpreted as KeyDown, rawKeyDown type signals
> . . .
>
>
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Re: data from USB joystick

2010-09-26 Thread stephen barncard
It's all on the net. Your cheapest and easiest solution is to use a Keyspan
USB to serial adapter and Rs-232 serial protocol. Here's one hit from
searching google for "joystick rs232". Sooner or later, some soldering may
be required.

Interfacing Atari-style joysticks to PC parallel and serial
ports<http://www.epanorama.net/documents/joystick/pc_misc.html>



On 26 September 2010 06:10, David Glasgow wrote:

> Hello folks,
>
> I really really want to make  a Rev  (Ooops) LiveCode app with a push pull
> interface like on a mixing slider, or 'dive' and 'pull up' on a plain old
> joystick.
>
> I have raised questions about this a few times on the list over a number of
> years, and got some helpful pointers.  However, having followed these into
> the underpants of USB, I have discovered that is not a place I have the
> ability to work.  So I give up.
>
> Is there anyone on this list who could create a cross platform extension or
> library thingy which would allow me to read the state(s) of an ordinary, off
> the shelf USB joystick?  If so, what would the cost be?
>
>
> Best Wishes,
>
> David Glasgow
>
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Re: Scripter's Scrapbook: Where do the Files Go?

2010-09-26 Thread stephen barncard
Very clear. Thanks, Hugh.

On 25 September 2010 12:49, FlexibleLearning wrote:

> Recently added to the Scripter's Scrapbook on-line reference library:
>
> http://www.flexiblelearning.com/ssbk/support/WhereDoTheFilesGo.pdf
>
> Following changes to the way plugins are treated in LiveCode 4.5, this
> document explains the three install alternatives for using your Scrapbook
> as
> a plugin, as a stack file, and with a standAlone application program.
>
> I hope it will be helpful.
>
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Re: [ANN] The IDE Extension Plugin is on the road

2010-09-24 Thread stephen barncard
thanks, mr. slug this is very useful.


On 24 September 2010 17:37, zryip theSlug  wrote:

> Dear List,
>
> The Slug is pleased to announce the availability of a plugin on its
> website.
>
> This plugin extends the IDE with:
>
> -  a way to resize controls with arrow keys. Just press the alt key
> and give the direction of the resizing by pressing an arrowkey.  You
> can resize a selected control or several selected controls, by 1 pixel
> or with the shift key modifier by 10 pixels increment. Do you need
> accuracy when you resize a control? This plugin is for you.
> - the possibility to switch temporally the selection mode to surround,
> by pressing on i. No need to switch the corresponding menu in the IDE.
>
> You can download this plugin by following this link:
>
> http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc/index.php?option=com_phocadownload&view=category&download=16:ide-extension-plugin&id=11:free&Itemid=63
>
>
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Re: Scripts that are already running

2010-09-24 Thread stephen barncard
That's to keep it handy for the Livecode Resource Center. A small button
that says "Launch PDF" is there.

On 24 September 2010 12:38, Richard Gaskin wrote:

>
>>
> One small step in that direction, from the LiveCode 4.5 Release Notes.pdf
> (which is unfortunately buried deep inside the app bundle on OS X virtually
> guaranteeing no Mac customer will ever see it)
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Re: Scripts that are already running

2010-09-24 Thread stephen barncard
Isn't there something in the 'new' externals interface that can share rev
globals, or pass a handle to a memory block? I'm talking out of my hat here.

On 24 September 2010 10:15,  wrote:

> Jacques, et al.
>
> The "wait with messages", which I know about, is compact and cool. But that
> code needs to reside within the running handler. As do, in their own way,
> all the other comments from everyone. For example, BonnMike notes you can
> read the state of a property while a handler is running. Certainly you can,
> but
> only from within the handler.
>
> I was asking if any state of the machine can be accessed from outside a
> running handler. I read from all the responses, as I thought, that it
> cannot.
>
> Say a variable is gettinig incremented in a repeat loop. Its state changes
> as the loop progresses. Can this state be returned to the engine from some
> externally running process, one that would be able to monitor handler
> variables on the fly. It would require, essentially, that the handler be
> interrupted continuously. I don't think this is part of the xTalk world. I
> am not sure
> about other procedural languages.
>
> This all came about because someone wanted a single universal watchdog on
> his stack. He had several handlers in several places, all of which could
> create a condition he wanted to act upon. So the "send in time" handler fit
> that
> bill. If he created yet another such handler somewhere, it would be
> covered. But it occurred to be that if the condition was met and the
> handler still
> had much to do and might take a long time to do it, then the condition
> could
> not be dealt with until that handler ends. It seemed intriguing to think
> that something could monitor, say, the state of variables, from outside the
> handler while it was running.
>
> Anyone think this is a useful, perhaps monumental, feature?
>
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Re: The message sent before preOpenStack

2010-09-23 Thread stephen barncard
startup

On 23 September 2010 16:25, Dar Scott  wrote:

> I forgot the name of the message sent to the first card of the main stack
> in a standalone before everything else, even preOpenStack.  I have used it
> before but those stacks are not where I am.
>
> What is the name of the message?  execute?  setup?  preamble?  begin?
>
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Re: Where can I found the Shaosean libs?

2010-09-23 Thread stephen barncard
I misread. you need to contact Shao directly.

 I dearly regret mentioning something about some error in the code of a demo
stack not meeting Shao's usual (excellent)  'standards'. I think my
statements may have lost something in translation, as Shao was obviously
insulted. It was meant as a compliment and a gentle mention of the coding
error.

Now it's become a byline on Shao's website.

http://www.shaosean.tk/


On 23 September 2010 16:21, stephen barncard <
stephenrevoluti...@barncard.com> wrote:

> 2nd position on Google for shao sean
>
> http://www.shaosean.tk/
>
>
> On 23 September 2010 16:19, JosepM  wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Some time ago I saw in the Shaosean's website that he had a interesting
>> libraries and stacks. Often I check their website but I don't found any.
>>
>> It's posible locate the FTP and SMTP libraries?
>>
>>
>> Salut,
>> Josep
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Re: Where can I found the Shaosean libs?

2010-09-23 Thread stephen barncard
2nd position on Google for shao sean

http://www.shaosean.tk/

On 23 September 2010 16:19, JosepM  wrote:

>
> Hi,
>
> Some time ago I saw in the Shaosean's website that he had a interesting
> libraries and stacks. Often I check their website but I don't found any.
>
> It's posible locate the FTP and SMTP libraries?
>
>
> Salut,
> Josep
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Re: Text File Import

2010-09-23 Thread stephen barncard
Apologies, it was my somewhat snide reply to your question: What you just
asked for was a complete APPLICATION ! And the fact you have to deal with
the HORRIBLE CSV format.  Commas should have NEVER ever been used for
delimiters, period. Returns mess up everything.

Actually what you asked could be a library or an app. What would you pay for
such a thing?

Anyway, you'll like the one you make better anyway than some partial demo
stack. If you can make this to your stated specs in 5 hours, then you are a
much more efficient coder than I am.

Even if it's for myself, I like to take time with the gui, the menus, etc.
It makes a difference if it's just being used by me rather than by others of
course. If somebody else has to use it, then it's a whole new ball game,
support, etc.





On 23 September 2010 11:21, Mike Kerner  wrote:

> why, do you have something that does more, Stephen?  For what we usually do
> around here, this is pretty bare-bones and straightforward, but rather than
> spending five hours writing it I thought I'd ask first.
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Re: The Scripter's Scrapbook (was: Online Snippets library)

2010-09-23 Thread stephen barncard
Will all due respect, Hugh, I've always cringed with the upgrade process
with SS. It was never clear what to do with the mess in the folder that was
left, and what was what.

On 23 September 2010 10:19, FlexibleLearning wrote:

> A hanging app has been reported when using an old version of the standAlone
> with ssBk. Go to www.flexibleLearning.com/ssbk, click FREE DOWNLOADS and
> download a replacement standalone application in the "Extras: Application
> Programs" section of the page.
>
> After an update, the 'new folder' is always generated in the same folder as
> the folder you started in. You simply archive your old set-up and move the
> new files back into the original folder. This is a fail-safe so you can
> always revert.
>
> Hugh Senior
> FLCo
>
>
>
> JosepM wrote:
>
> Hi Hugh,
>
> I tryed to update to the last version, but the app is hang up, and still
> "Startup..."
>
> Exactly what I must do after update and see the NEW Scripter's Scrapbook"?
> I
> have version 5.2.16, inside the 5.2.17 and now inside of this the 5.2.19...
> :(
> Only I can use the 5.2.16...
>
> Salut,
> Josep M
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Re: The Scripter's Scrapbook (was: Online Snippets library)

2010-09-23 Thread stephen barncard
Right, but ssbk.rev also seems to be the core app loaded by the standalone.
So the DATA and BUSINESS LOGIC are both in ssbk.rev ?

On 23 September 2010 02:34, FlexibleLearning wrote:

> Your Entries are stored in the stack data file (initially called ssBk.rev
> in
> the download). If you have more than one Scrapbook, it will also be a stack
> data file.
>
> I have not used Dropbox so it would be good to know that a 'roaming'
> solution for ssBk is easily available.
>
> Hugh Senior
> FLCo
>
>
> stephen barncard asked...
>
> Hugh, as you know I've been needing a solution to make the same Scrapbook
> data available on all my machines and I thought I had found it with Dropbox
> (thanks Andre).
>
> But I'm having a hard time trying to find out where the data is stored, so
> I
> can share that file using Dropbox.
>
> I am using the standalone option as the in-IDE plugin just shows too many
> stacks in the browsers, and I use it for other kinds of code snippets.
>
> Should I just put the app itself in the dropbox?
>
>
> On 22 September 2010 13:06, FlexibleLearning
> wrote:
>
> > Thank you all for the tributes.
> >
> > The Scripter's Scrapbook is also available in the new RunRev MarketPlace:
> > http://www.runrev.com/store/product/scripters-scrapbook-1-0-0/
> >
> > However, their new website has not yet been completed and there are no
> > download links for any products. To get a download (many different
> options;
> > choose the one/s you want), go to the Flexible Learning website page
> > http://www.flexiblelearning.com/ssbk.htm as Thomas suggested. Options
> > include standalone applications which are not included in the runRev
> > download (when they are re-instated) for those who wish to run ssBk
> outside
> > the LiveCode environment.
> >
> > The on-line repository supports a range of attribution options and I
> would
> > encourage you to take  2-for-1 advantage (for every two you grab, put at
> > least one up yourself). You cannot store files but you can include any
> > number of stacks, files, pdf's etc you want by including their url
> > addresses. Ken Ray's work on the cgi to drive this part has been
> fantasic.
> > We have also included vendor options so you can offer your work for sale
> if
> > you wish as well.
> >
> > The Scripter's Scrapbook is currently v5.2.19, last updated 24 June 2010
> as
> > AndyP says. Updates tend to quite infrequent nowadays as not much has
> been
> > requested to improve.
> >
> > Hugh Senior
> > FLCo
> >
> >
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Re: The Scripter's Scrapbook (was: Online Snippets library)

2010-09-22 Thread stephen barncard
I'm not sure the web server component is needed most of the time if all of
one's machines are on the same LAN. The local files on local machines seem
to get reconciled way before the web version. very fast.

On 22 September 2010 13:35, william humphrey wrote:

> I've been running into a similar problem with dropbox. I'd like to
> have my Valentina databases there and I can't figure out a way to
> configure the vServer to allow that.
>
> Drop box sure is an excellent solution for back-ups and use with more
> than one machine. I only worry about the company disappearing or
> starting to charge for small uses or something.
>
> On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 4:20 PM, stephen barncard
>  wrote:
> > Hugh, as you know I've been needing a solution to make the same Scrapbook
> > data available on all my machines and I thought I had found it with
> Dropbox
> > (thanks Andre).
> >
> > But I'm having a hard time trying to find out where the data is stored,
> so I
> > can share that file using Dropbox.
> >
> > I am using the standalone option as the in-IDE plugin just shows too many
> > stacks in the browsers, and I use it for other kinds of code snippets.
> >
> > Should I just put the app itself in the dropbox?
> >
> >
> > On 22 September 2010 13:06, FlexibleLearning  >wrote:
> >
> >> Thank you all for the tributes.
> >>
> >> The Scripter's Scrapbook is also available in the new RunRev
> MarketPlace:
> >> http://www.runrev.com/store/product/scripters-scrapbook-1-0-0/
> >>
> >> However, their new website has not yet been completed and there are no
> >> download links for any products. To get a download (many different
> options;
> >> choose the one/s you want), go to the Flexible Learning website page
> >> http://www.flexiblelearning.com/ssbk.htm as Thomas suggested. Options
> >> include standalone applications which are not included in the runRev
> >> download (when they are re-instated) for those who wish to run ssBk
> outside
> >> the LiveCode environment.
> >>
> >> The on-line repository supports a range of attribution options and I
> would
> >> encourage you to take  2-for-1 advantage (for every two you grab, put at
> >> least one up yourself). You cannot store files but you can include any
> >> number of stacks, files, pdf's etc you want by including their url
> >> addresses. Ken Ray's work on the cgi to drive this part has been
> fantasic.
> >> We have also included vendor options so you can offer your work for sale
> if
> >> you wish as well.
> >>
> >> The Scripter's Scrapbook is currently v5.2.19, last updated 24 June 2010
> as
> >> AndyP says. Updates tend to quite infrequent nowadays as not much has
> been
> >> requested to improve.
> >>
> >> Hugh Senior
> >> FLCo
> >>
> >>
> >
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> > San Francisco Ca. USA
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Re: The Scripter's Scrapbook (was: Online Snippets library)

2010-09-22 Thread stephen barncard
Hugh, as you know I've been needing a solution to make the same Scrapbook
data available on all my machines and I thought I had found it with Dropbox
(thanks Andre).

But I'm having a hard time trying to find out where the data is stored, so I
can share that file using Dropbox.

I am using the standalone option as the in-IDE plugin just shows too many
stacks in the browsers, and I use it for other kinds of code snippets.

Should I just put the app itself in the dropbox?


On 22 September 2010 13:06, FlexibleLearning wrote:

> Thank you all for the tributes.
>
> The Scripter's Scrapbook is also available in the new RunRev MarketPlace:
> http://www.runrev.com/store/product/scripters-scrapbook-1-0-0/
>
> However, their new website has not yet been completed and there are no
> download links for any products. To get a download (many different options;
> choose the one/s you want), go to the Flexible Learning website page
> http://www.flexiblelearning.com/ssbk.htm as Thomas suggested. Options
> include standalone applications which are not included in the runRev
> download (when they are re-instated) for those who wish to run ssBk outside
> the LiveCode environment.
>
> The on-line repository supports a range of attribution options and I would
> encourage you to take  2-for-1 advantage (for every two you grab, put at
> least one up yourself). You cannot store files but you can include any
> number of stacks, files, pdf's etc you want by including their url
> addresses. Ken Ray's work on the cgi to drive this part has been fantasic.
> We have also included vendor options so you can offer your work for sale if
> you wish as well.
>
> The Scripter's Scrapbook is currently v5.2.19, last updated 24 June 2010 as
> AndyP says. Updates tend to quite infrequent nowadays as not much has been
> requested to improve.
>
> Hugh Senior
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>
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Re: How to recover text from a web page

2010-09-22 Thread stephen barncard
perhaps there's an iFrame  or include in the html that references another
page --

On 22 September 2010 12:14, Sumner, Walt  wrote:

> Thanks for the lead on screen scrapes, but the problem is there is nothing
> to scrape. The "put URL(...)" and "revBrowserGet(tBrowserId,"htmltext")"
> return the html, but not all of the text that is displayed on the page.
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Derek Bump

2010-09-22 Thread stephen barncard
Has anyone heard from Derek Bump since he offered his JPEG product source
for sale a few months ago? His Dreamscapesoftware.com site is still up, but
his emails (including the support emails on his site) all bounce.

I was trying to get a link for his HTMLtoCSS stack, which I think someone
was asking about here. I send it directly if someone needs it.

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Re: tRev name change and site re-org

2010-09-22 Thread stephen barncard
Jerry rebranded. It's still tRev.

On 22 September 2010 00:48, René Micout  wrote:

> I have tRev 0.2.0.0 and it is possible to download it from reveditor... but
> Remo ?
>
> Le 22 sept. 2010 à 09:42, stephen barncard a écrit :
>
> > go to reveditor.com
> >
> > On 22 September 2010 00:32, René Micout 
> wrote:
> >
> >> I can't download Remo from Rodeo page !
> >>
> >> Le 22 sept. 2010 à 06:35, Jerry Daniels a écrit :
> >>
> >>> tRev users,
> >>>
> >>> Since Rev has changed its name to LiveCode, we have renamed tRev. We've
> >> been waiting in the wings with this.
> >>>
> >>> The new name is...[drum roll]
> >>>
> >>>  Remo
> >>>  The remote-control object editor for LiveCode
> >>>
> >>> Has a nice, new icon that looks like...a remote control!
> >>>
> >>> You can download the new Remo from the tRev side via the download link
> on
> >> the right side of the pages. Please use this link or go to the
> >> alltiera.com site click the Downloads link on the right to get Remo
> there.
> >>>
> >>> We're in the process of converting and moving tRev sales info to the
> >> Utilities/Remo section of the Alltiera/Rodeo sales site (
> >> http://alltiera.com/utilities). We're also rebranding and moving tRev
> >> support info to the Alltiera/Zendesk site (http://alltiera.zendesk.com
> ).
> >>>
> >>> We have oodles of tRev video that will need to be redone and tons of
> >> docs/posts that need some name changing. I'll post more on this here, as
> we
> >> finish with the move. Within the week, the old tRev site (
> >> http://reveditor.com) will be history.
> >>>
> >>> The new Remo support site (under construction within Zendesk) will be
> >> much better for FAQs, reporting incidents and providing support in
> general.
> >>>
> >>> Best,
> >>>
> >>> Jerry Daniels
> >>> www.alltiera.com
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Re: tRev name change and site re-org

2010-09-22 Thread stephen barncard
go to reveditor.com

On 22 September 2010 00:32, René Micout  wrote:

> I can't download Remo from Rodeo page !
>
> Le 22 sept. 2010 à 06:35, Jerry Daniels a écrit :
>
> > tRev users,
> >
> > Since Rev has changed its name to LiveCode, we have renamed tRev. We've
> been waiting in the wings with this.
> >
> > The new name is...[drum roll]
> >
> >   Remo
> >   The remote-control object editor for LiveCode
> >
> > Has a nice, new icon that looks like...a remote control!
> >
> > You can download the new Remo from the tRev side via the download link on
> the right side of the pages. Please use this link or go to the
> alltiera.com site click the Downloads link on the right to get Remo there.
> >
> > We're in the process of converting and moving tRev sales info to the
> Utilities/Remo section of the Alltiera/Rodeo sales site (
> http://alltiera.com/utilities). We're also rebranding and moving tRev
> support info to the Alltiera/Zendesk site (http://alltiera.zendesk.com).
> >
> > We have oodles of tRev video that will need to be redone and tons of
> docs/posts that need some name changing. I'll post more on this here, as we
> finish with the move. Within the week, the old tRev site (
> http://reveditor.com) will be history.
> >
> > The new Remo support site (under construction within Zendesk) will be
> much better for FAQs, reporting incidents and providing support in general.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Jerry Daniels
> > www.alltiera.com
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Re: How to recover text from a web page

2010-09-21 Thread stephen barncard
Why bother with revBrowser at all?  Just  do this in the message box:

put URL(http://website.com/page.html)

 and this will put the website html into the message box output. Obviously
you could do this with fields.

Check out Jerry's videos on Screen Scraping:

http://revmentor.com/business-logic-screen-scraping-1
http://revmentor.com/business-logic-screen-scraping-0


On 21 September 2010 22:16, Sumner, Walt  wrote:

> I am trying to recover text from this web page and all of its siblings:
>
>
> http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/keep-life-saving-electronic-cigarettes-available/#sigs/691732733/user/1
>
> The interesting part of the page is the comments, which do not appear in
> the HTML, but which can be copied manually. I can open this page in a
> browser in LiveCode. With manual mouse motions, I can double click a block
> of text, choose "Select All" from the "Edit" menu, choose "Copy" from the
> "Edit" menu, and then paste into a field where the comments all appear and
> are easy to disassemble.
>
> Unfortunately, the revbrowser set command and get function do not do
> anything comparable AFAICT. The "Select All" choice is not implemented in
> the DoMenu command. I think that printing a pdf is also out. So, any
> thoughts on how to automate this part of a petition review? For instance,
> maybe there is a simple way to save the text to a file with the
> revBrowserExecuteScript function (using JavaScript for Safari)?
>
> BTW, the browser is fully capable of crashing LiveCode on at least some OSX
> machines. Please don't lose any work for me.
>
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Re: Invisible HTMLText Character?

2010-09-21 Thread stephen barncard
Perhaps I didn't understand what you are trying to do - did     not
work for you?

On 21 September 2010 20:05, Scott Rossi  wrote:

> I would colorize the bullet the same as the background but the text/bullets
> sit on a gradient.  Also, I could be wrong but I don't believe the HTMLtext
> property (as opposed to standard HTML) has ever supported tables.  Thanks
> for the suggestions though.
>
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Re: tRev

2010-09-21 Thread stephen barncard
yes, REMO - a surprise to me.  Not sure if that's a mistake or not, but it
sure looks like tRev.

You may have to re-enter your registration number again. Hold down option
while starting the app and you can zap the prefs. Perhaps yours old license
timed out or it needs to re-do it.

REMO? WHat happened to our favorite scary beast?

On 21 September 2010 19:20, Thomas McGrath III  wrote:

> I am confused. I went to tRev site and re-downloaded and got another app
> instead but which looks like tRev.
>
> Loaded and it works. Then had to renew license (just did - I love tRev).
> But now it downloads older version of tRev which states it is not most
> recent version and when clicked on takes to same old previous version.
>
>
> Tom McGrath III
> Lazy River Software
> http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
> 3mcgr...@comcast.net
>
> I Can Speak - Communication for the rest of us...
> http://mypad.lazyriver.on-rev.com
>
> I Can Speak on the iPad Store
> http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/i-can-speak/id364733279?mt=8
>
> DeMoted - Have you DeMoted Someone today?
> http://demoted.lazyriver.on-rev.com
>
> DeMoted on the iTune App Store
> http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/demoted/id355925236?mt=8
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sep 21, 2010, at 10:04 PM, stephen barncard wrote:
>
> > yes, Jerry has had to update it a couple of times due to the new
> packaging
> > and names. He finally got it to work with any bundle name - it's what's
> > inside that counts.He was on it from the first day.
> >
> > On 21 September 2010 18:55, Nicolas Cueto  wrote:
> >
> >>> Has anyone gotten tRev to work with LiveCode? I put it at the same
> level
> >> as the app but no luck.
> >>
> >> Found the same problem. But then re-downloaded tRev and it worked.
> >> Perhaps a newer version now?
> >>
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Re: tRev

2010-09-21 Thread stephen barncard
yes, Jerry has had to update it a couple of times due to the new packaging
and names. He finally got it to work with any bundle name - it's what's
inside that counts.He was on it from the first day.

On 21 September 2010 18:55, Nicolas Cueto  wrote:

> > Has anyone gotten tRev to work with LiveCode? I put it at the same level
> as the app but no luck.
>
> Found the same problem. But then re-downloaded tRev and it worked.
> Perhaps a newer version now?
>
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Re: Invisible HTMLText Character?

2010-09-21 Thread stephen barncard
Scott:

how about a non-breaking space?  *  *  in the html?.

just tested it - it works in rev html

one

 two

three

four

five


one

  two

three

four

five


On 21 September 2010 18:25, Scott Rossi  wrote:

> Anyone know if it's possible to define a character in HTMLtext as being
> invisible or hidden?
>
> I'm trying to create a workaround for bulleted text lines that wrap.
> Ideally, the wrapped portion of a bulleted line should be indented the same
> amount as the above line that's indented by a bullet.  I was hoping I could
> place a bullet in front of the wrapped line and use HTMLtext to make the
> bullet hidden or invisible.
>
> Is anything like this possible?
>
> Thanks & Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
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Re: Text File Import

2010-09-21 Thread stephen barncard
Is that all it has to do?

On 21 September 2010 16:46, Mike Kerner  wrote:

> Before I go reinventing the wheel, does someone have a stack that will
> import a a folder full of .csv or other database export files, create a
> stack with either a substack or backgrounds for each of the files, import
> the data, and create list and detail layouts?
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Re: Where does revMobile go?

2010-09-21 Thread stephen barncard
Hi Andre,

is dropbox a macos feature or an application?

On 21 September 2010 15:53, Andre Garzia  wrote:

> What I am doing these days is using dropbox to contain my plugins folder.
> This way all my machines have an up to date copy of my doings and I am able
> to work whenever I am.
>
> On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 7:51 PM, Mark Wieder 
> wrote:
>
> > Jacque-
> >
> > Tuesday, September 21, 2010, 3:26:09 PM, you wrote:
> >
> > > In 4.5, open Preferences, Files and Memory pane. Use the browse button
> > > at the bottom to select your My Revolution folder as the external
> folder
> > > location. That folder is located inside your Documents folder, and was
> > > created by previous versions of Rev.
> >
> > Actually, it's never been created automatically. Would that it were.
> >
> > And note that you *don't* select the Plugins folder itself with the
> > browse button, just the folder that contains it.
> >
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Re: [OT] Another one bites the dust . . .

2010-09-21 Thread stephen barncard
I see a page with a hundred stories and a hundred links, all which change
hourly. To what (or which) do you refer?

On 21 September 2010 11:41, Richmond  wrote:

>  http://distrowatch.com/
>
> Ugly!
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Re: Web Deployment

2010-09-21 Thread stephen barncard
web deployment=plugin

they don't list on-rev accounts yet

On 21 September 2010 11:18, -=>JB<=-  wrote:

> I purchased the on-rev package when it came out and now when I look
> at my account it says Web Deployment - already purchased.  I also am
> a Enterprise user so it may be connected to that but it sounds more like
> it is connected to on-rev to me.
>
> -=>JB<=-
>
>
>
> On Sep 21, 2010, at 6:08 AM, David Bovill wrote:
>
> > On 21 September 2010 12:28, -=>JB<=-  wrote:
> >
> >> I think it is the On-Rev package that has been offered
> >> for quite some time now and many have purchased
> >> it already so if they continue to develop it more will
> >> likely purchase it and with the right improvements
> >> it can exceed their sales expectations.
> >>
> >
> > That would make sense - On-Rev has (commercial) potential, but I don't
> think
> > it is the case. If you look at the Standalone Settings (I am viewing it
> with
> > a trial license) - the Web settings that allow you to create a revWeb
> plugin
> > has the option to purchase a $199 upgrade - I assume this is in order to
> let
> > you make these plugins as this export option has nothing to do with using
> > On-Rev. It is not clear, if you can make them for non-commercial use, but
> it
> > looks like the standalone builder will stop making revWeb plugins after
> the
> > trial expires?
> >
> > Personally I can (sort of) imagine people paying $30 for the ability to
> make
> > revWeb plugins - I really don't get this $199 pricing. The rest seems
> > logical to me, and I do very much like the branding LiveCode, but it
> seems
> > the current pricing strategy will have two clear outcomes:
> >
> >   1. It will clobber Linux sales - I think the bundles would be better
> >   Mac+Linux and Windows+Linux.
> >   2. Deter future revWeb plugin development when it becomes clear how
> many
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Re: on-rev

2010-09-21 Thread stephen barncard
The on-rev client could be one of the first items to be released to us for
'open-sourcing'.   Is the debugging code a big secret? Then put it in a
substack, let us call to it and make a better editor to go around it.

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> Stephen-
>
> Tuesday, September 21, 2010, 10:32:46 AM, you wrote:
>
> > then use the newest Transmit by Panic
> > <http://panic.com/transmit/>. $40 -
> > Works great with Textmate and Ralf's plugin or Coda .
>
> Good to know, although I haven't had problems with ftp and on-rev.
> It's debugging that stumped me since I needed to look at variables in
> situ.
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Re: on-rev

2010-09-21 Thread stephen barncard
then use the newest Transmit by Panic <http://panic.com/transmit/>. $40 -
Works great with Textmate and Ralf's plugin or Coda .

On 21 September 2010 04:34, Pierre Sahores  wrote:

> Monte,
>
> > I ended up giving up and using Ralf's TextMate bundle+Cyberduck.
>
> Same there. The last version of CyberDuck seems to support the FTPS
> protocol but when i tried it against on-rev, the list directory works but
> nor the download/edit and upload files sems to work for me. Any tough about
> the way to go (needed opened ports or so...) ?
>
> Best regards,
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Re: Still: Where do I put libUUID.rev and qrtReportsLIb.rev in LiveCode?

2010-09-20 Thread stephen barncard
The confusion is because of the name change. Just go into the Livecode
preferences and set the user extensions setting to your old rev user
extensions folder and/or name them what you want. We haven't had to do this
for years.

On 20 September 2010 16:15, Monte Goulding wrote:

> >> Any ideas?  I'm dead in the water until this is resolved.
> >
> > Put a "Plugins" folder inside the folder you declared in the User
> > Extensions preferences. Put your plugins into the Plugins folder.
>
> Aren't these both script libraries? If so then they should go in:
> /Resources/Script Libraries
>
> That will integrate them with the standalone builder. At least it did when
> I originally wrote the SB. The IDE Should provide options for loading these
> libraries at startup but it doesn't. I used to have a plugin for that but I
> haven't had time to maintain it for years. Make a quick plugin that parses
> the stacks in that folder at startup and starts using them and your set.
>
> Cheers
>
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Re: Where do I put libUUID.rev and qrtReportsLIb.rev in LiveCode?

2010-09-20 Thread stephen barncard
A lot of prefs got reset. And the "My Livecode" folder would have to be
created (hopefully not using the "my"). Then go into Rev prefs and "Files
And Memory" and at the bottom is the "USER EXTENSIONS" field - set that to
whatever folder you want - including your old rev folder.

On 20 September 2010 16:11, Thomas McGrath III  wrote:

> Can't access Preferences at all in LiveCode let alone Files. And there is
> no "My LiveCode" folder inside the documents folder here.
>
>
> Tom McGrath III
> Lazy River Software
> http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
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>
> I Can Speak on the iPad Store
> http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/i-can-speak/id364733279?mt=8
>
>
> On Sep 20, 2010, at 2:01 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:
>
> > Alex,
> >
> > You can go to Preferences -> Files and set your extensions folder there.
> >
> > Or you can use the default one which is "My LiveCode" inside the
> documents
> > folder.
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 2:59 PM, Alex Adams 
> wrote:
> >
> >> Just downloaded the shiny new LiveCode onto my Mac Snow Leopard machine.
> >> My
> >> apps use libUUID.rev and qtrReportsLib.rev.
> >>
> >> In runRev 4.5 I keep them at the same level as the Revolution app and
> the
> >> Externals and Resources folders.  I have tried placing them at the same
> >> level of these folders inside LiveCode.app, but no joy.
> >>
> >> What should I do?
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Re: GOOSE BUMPS

2010-09-20 Thread stephen barncard
It does.

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On 20 September 2010 15:06, Mark Swindell  wrote:

> Will T-Rev still work with LiveCode?
>
>
> On Sep 20, 2010, at 2:06 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:
>
> > Dar-
> >
> > Monday, September 20, 2010, 2:01:40 PM, you wrote:
> >
> >> No doubt it is to keep it distinct from the revolution.  When and if
> >> it comes.
> >
> > ...won't be televised, though...
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Re: GOOSE BUMPS

2010-09-20 Thread stephen barncard
It's a repackage and rebranding, partially in response to surveys. The
ownership is the same as far as I can tell. The web site looks great.

On 20 September 2010 12:02, Timothy Miller
wrote:

> Derrr...
>
> I don't understand the significance of the name change to LiveCode. Is this
> an internal reorganization or marketing strategy? Or has ownership changed?
>
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Re: Server Side Database Advice

2010-09-16 Thread stephen barncard
Change hosts or use a cgi interface, not a direct connection.

On 16 September 2010 13:32, Warren Kuhl  wrote:

> I am developing software that needs to pass information to a centralized
> MySQL database.  My current host started blocking connections as they said
> the MySQL database was for web applications only and had an issue with
> updating it with an application.  Plus they only allowed a few concurrent
> connections.
>
> Anyone have any advice as to how I should handle this or experience with a
> host that didn't have any issues with this?
>
> Thanks!
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Re: Getting started with databases

2010-09-16 Thread stephen barncard
Filemaker tabbed delimited export converts returns to vertical tab
characters. You can still retain your returns.

On 16 September 2010 13:25, Bob Sneidar  wrote:

> To my knowledge, it exports just the tables and indexes. It may also export
> relationships, I don't know. I just know that after I purchased it, I was a
> bit disappointed because I thought I could take a fully functional Filemaker
> Database, complete with forms and everything, and it would create a fully
> functional revolution stack for me. Perhaps my expectations were a bit hi.
>
> Things may have improved since then. At the time the developer told me that
> there was no easy way to get information about forms from Filemaker in any
> kind of meaningful way, but perhaps he has that figured out now.
>
> Also be aware, (and I don't want to sound too negative) but apparently
> there were some issues with my data, and I never even got the tables ported.
> I think it had something to do with blank data or carriage returns or
> something.
>
> As far as CSV, if there are any delimiters in your data in Filemaker, such
> as commas, quotes, tabs or returns, a CSV export will be very problematic.
> You should first try to convert anything that might be be construed as a
> delimiter in your filemaker data to some other character, or unlikely
> combination of characters, so that whatever you use to import with can
> convert them back before shipping them off to an SQL database. This is just
> the nature of export/import with dissimilar data structures.
>
> Bob
>
>
> On Sep 16, 2010, at 12:37 PM, Peter Alcibiades wrote:
>
> >
> > Bob, are you saying, just the tables...?   So why not export the tables
> as
> > csv?   Am I missing something to do with relations?
> >
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Re: OT: Waiting for DNS to update a new site.

2010-09-15 Thread stephen barncard
Bad domain settings can "partially" work. Make sure she's set to her own
connecting ISP's correct domain servers, or a more dependable outside DNS.

On 15 September 2010 15:06, Alex Tweedly  wrote:

>
> Thanks to everyone who replied - it was very helpful.
>
> Stephen, I have had the same experience - propagation is very rapid (I also
> use both Dreamhost and on-rev :-)
>
> But in this case, the one person who actually matters is still not able to
> see her own website. I'm starting to think it's her computer, not DNS
> (though the web tool I mentioned says that 6 out of the 20 sites it uses
> worldwide still do not see the domain properly).
>
> I'll try Wayne's suggestions re. Windows / Firefox - or maybe just get her
> to switch off/on her computer and see if that helps.
>
> Thanks again
> -- Alex.
>
>
> On 15/09/2010 16:19, stephen barncard wrote:
>
>> Propagation used to take days. These days it seems to take just minutes or
>> hours at Dreamhost or ON-Rev. Your milage may vary
>>
>> On 15 September 2010 02:31, AndyP  wrote:
>>
>>  Hi Alex,
>>>
>>> I can see the page.
>>>
>>> I'ts going to be a DNS propagation delay...more info below:
>>>
>>> To speed up the internet, Internet Server Provider (ISP) caches their DNS
>>>
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Re: [OT] O'Reilly eBook deal of the day (cookbooks for 9 USD)

2010-09-15 Thread stephen barncard
Not only pdf but enhanced pdf and most of the common book formats. All the
indexes, links and cross-references work.

On 15 September 2010 13:01, Chipp Walters  wrote:

> Are these delivered in PDF?
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Re: [OT] O'Reilly eBook deal of the day (cookbooks for 9 USD)

2010-09-15 Thread stephen barncard
Thanks Andre... I bought 4 eBooks. O'Reilly are the *SAMS photofact** of the
software age...

*SAMS was (is?) a major publisher of tech books in the 70's and 80's like
the TTL cookbook, the CMOS cookbook, 555 cookbook, active filter cookbook,
Analog IC cookbook, etc.

On 15 September 2010 07:24, Michael Kann  wrote:

> Andre,
>
> Thanks for the heads up.
>
> Mike
>
> --- On Wed, 9/15/10, Andre Garzia  wrote:
>
> From: Andre Garzia 
> Subject: [OT] O'Reilly eBook deal of the day (cookbooks for 9 USD)
> To: "How to use Revolution" 
> Date: Wednesday, September 15, 2010, 8:48 AM
>
> Folks,
>
> http://oreilly.com/store/ddccc.html
>
> o'reilly cookbooks for usd 9.
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Re: OT: Waiting for DNS to update a new site.

2010-09-15 Thread stephen barncard
Propagation used to take days. These days it seems to take just minutes or
hours at Dreamhost or ON-Rev. Your milage may vary

On 15 September 2010 02:31, AndyP  wrote:

>
> Hi Alex,
>
> I can see the page.
>
> I'ts going to be a DNS propagation delay...more info below:
>
> To speed up the internet, Internet Server Provider (ISP) caches their DNS
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Re: New Apple comunicate relax restrictions

2010-09-09 Thread stephen barncard
yep

On 9 September 2010 23:32, JosepM  wrote:

>
> Hi,
>
> Today I read this:
>
> "We are continually trying to make the App Store even better. We have
> listened to our developers and taken much of their feedback to heart. Based
> on their input, today we are making some important changes to our iOS
> Developer Program license in sections 3.3.1, 3.3.2 and 3.3.9 to relax some
> restrictions we put in place earlier this year.
>
> In particular, we are relaxing all restrictions on the development tools
> used to create iOS apps, as long as the resulting apps do not download any
> code. This should give developers the flexibility they want, while
> preserving the security we need."
>
> http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2010/09/09statement.html
>
> This mean that RevMobile for iPhone/iPad is posible?
>
>
> Salut,
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Re: OT: Ft Gay, GA

2010-09-09 Thread stephen barncard
The listmom has often stated the off-topic subjects are religion, politics,
and cheese. Surely sexual preference should also be on the list. This is not
a total free-speech zone.

On 9 September 2010 22:06, Richmond  wrote:

> On 09/10/2010 01:17 AM, Jonathan Lynch wrote:
>
>> Bob Sneider Said:
>>
>> "Mind you, I think homosexuality is a perversion..."
>> "BTW don't anyone bother deriding me for that. Speech is still free. :-)"
>>
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Valentina for iPhone

2010-09-08 Thread stephen barncard
WOW

Wasn't somebody asking about this recently? And it's FREE?

http://www.valentina-db.com/en/products/ivalentina-for-iphone

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Re: Question about the debugger in Rev 4.0 - solved

2010-09-08 Thread stephen barncard
And thanks for sharing the results. We can all use this info.

On 8 September 2010 15:00, Jim Ault  wrote:

>
>
> At least I now have a path to refurbishing old stacks to get back code
> editing ease, if they need it.
> This is a task for this very evening.
>
> This is good... another bit of knowledge about complex projects, and it has
> a good answer!
>
>
>
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Re: Functionality AND good taste?

2010-09-08 Thread stephen barncard
And don't forget Scott Rossi !

On 8 September 2010 13:54, Paul Looney  wrote:

> David,
> You don't need to do it yourself.
> It continues to amaze me but... great design can be bought!
> I've hired Terza Snyder to improve some of my work and the changes are
> phenomenal. I could never in 20 years (or 100 design books) come up with the
> wonderful stuff she has. She knows what she is doing.
> Engineering/Programming and Design are different disciplines/talents, it is
> a very rare person who excels at each.
> Paul Looney
>
>
> On Sep 8, 2010, at 3:00 AM, David Glasgow wrote:
>
>  Hello folks,
>>
>> I am being encouraged by customers to update and improve a Rev built
>> product I produced many years ago.  I have a wish list for functionality
>> changes, but I am slightly depressed at how ugly and old the original looks.
>>  I have decided to start again from scratch, so there are no limitations on
>> what I can do, other than those imposed by Rev and my abilities (mostly the
>> latter).
>>
>> I have no background in design, but would like to make the product look
>> better and up to date.  I know I can pretty much change the appearance of
>> anything in Rev, but this is a serious product for technical use, so I am
>> not thinking oval windows and faux glass skins.   I also strongly subscribe
>> to the view that less is more, so I don't want reflections and things
>> swooshing about.  Are there any books or online resources on making software
>> look simple and good?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Best Wishes,
>>
>> David Glasgow
>> Carlton Glasgow Partnership
>>
>> i-psych.co.uk
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Re: Drag cursor

2010-09-07 Thread stephen barncard
I think this should just work. I don't think you need to do any cursor
stuffl, at least on the Mac. I've seen the green PLUS and I didn't do any
cursor code at all. Try without doing any cursor calls.

On 7 September 2010 11:02, FlexibleLearning wrote:

> Does anyone know how to specify the drag cursor type? I am dragging images
> around and want to display a 'copy' cursor (with a little plus sign) when
> the ctrl key is down, a 'move' cursor (no little plus sign) when the ctrl
> key is up, and a 'cantDrop' cursor when appropriate. The engine seems to
> over-ride any attempt to 'set the cursor'.
>
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Re: [feature] did you guys knew that "?" is a valid character for function/command name?

2010-09-07 Thread stephen barncard
If one is interested in speed, it can be quite useful.

Also you could write scripts with no functions! Just commands. Return the
data in the same variable without copying to another (which happens in
functions).

It's  a different coding style for sure.

On 7 September 2010 09:56, Alejandro Tejada  wrote:

>
>
> I have never used this method of "passing-by-reference"
> i any of my stack, so actually i dont know how
> useful it really is.
>


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Re: [ANN] revObjective 1.0 released!

2010-09-06 Thread stephen barncard
You also don't have to include your tRev backup archives with the package,
which probably increased the size a bit.

sqb

On 6 September 2010 19:00, Monte Goulding wrote:

> I think I've got it, I did some drag and drop stuff for pulling the stack
> files out of the revObjective folder before I implemented the drag and drop
> of objects to the stacks and they are messing with each other so I'll pull
> out the files one because it's easy enough to open up the revObjective
> folder if you want to get your files. I'll post a new version ASAP.
>
> On 07/09/2010, at 11:54 AM, stephen barncard wrote:
>
> > I opened a fresh stack and tried to move a placed object on your stack,
> but
> > was interrupted by the "'another stack with the same name" error and got
> > into that dreaded loop. Had to force-quit.
> >
> > mIght you have a stack named 'untitled' somewhere in your project?
> >
> > sqb
> >
> > On 6 September 2010 18:32, Monte Goulding  >wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>> I think it needs some more testing outside of your environment.  I had
> >> major
> >>> name space problems had to force-quit.
> >>
> >> Ok, can you give me some more info?
> >>
> >>>
> >>> sqb
> >>>
> >>> On 6 September 2010 18:22, Mike Bonner  wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Heres the right link. http://goulding.ws/?file_id=11
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 7:18 PM, Andre Garzia 
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Monte,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> the download link is wrong! ;-)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Congratulations, want to check it out!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Cheers
> >>>>> andre
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 10:01 PM, Monte Goulding
> >>>>>  wrote:
> >>>>>> Hi Everyone
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I've just released a new plugin that people who create or want to
> use
> >>>>> custom controls with behavior scripts might find helpful. For more
> info
> >>>> go
> >>>>> to:
> >>>>>> http://goulding.ws/consulting/blog/
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Cheers
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> Monte Goulding
> >>>>>> M E R Goulding Software Development
> >>>>>> Bespoke application development for vertical markets
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> InstallGadget - How to create an installer in 10 seconds
> >>>>>> revObjective  - Making behavior scripts behave
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Re: [ANN] revObjective 1.0 released!

2010-09-06 Thread stephen barncard
I opened a fresh stack and tried to move a placed object on your stack, but
was interrupted by the "'another stack with the same name" error and got
into that dreaded loop. Had to force-quit.

mIght you have a stack named 'untitled' somewhere in your project?

sqb

On 6 September 2010 18:32, Monte Goulding wrote:

>
> > I think it needs some more testing outside of your environment.  I had
> major
> > name space problems had to force-quit.
>
> Ok, can you give me some more info?
>
> >
> > sqb
> >
> > On 6 September 2010 18:22, Mike Bonner  wrote:
> >
> >> Heres the right link. http://goulding.ws/?file_id=11
> >>
> >> On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 7:18 PM, Andre Garzia 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Monte,
> >>>
> >>> the download link is wrong! ;-)
> >>>
> >>> Congratulations, want to check it out!
> >>>
> >>> Cheers
> >>> andre
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 10:01 PM, Monte Goulding
> >>>  wrote:
> >>>> Hi Everyone
> >>>>
> >>>> I've just released a new plugin that people who create or want to use
> >>> custom controls with behavior scripts might find helpful. For more info
> >> go
> >>> to:
> >>>> http://goulding.ws/consulting/blog/
> >>>>
> >>>> Cheers
> >>>> --
> >>>> Monte Goulding
> >>>> M E R Goulding Software Development
> >>>> Bespoke application development for vertical markets
> >>>>
> >>>> InstallGadget - How to create an installer in 10 seconds
> >>>> revObjective  - Making behavior scripts behave
> >>>>
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Re: [ANN] revObjective 1.0 released!

2010-09-06 Thread stephen barncard
I think it needs some more testing outside of your environment.  I had major
name space problems had to force-quit.

sqb

On 6 September 2010 18:22, Mike Bonner  wrote:

> Heres the right link. http://goulding.ws/?file_id=11
>
> On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 7:18 PM, Andre Garzia 
> wrote:
>
> > Monte,
> >
> > the download link is wrong! ;-)
> >
> > Congratulations, want to check it out!
> >
> > Cheers
> > andre
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 10:01 PM, Monte Goulding
> >  wrote:
> > > Hi Everyone
> > >
> > > I've just released a new plugin that people who create or want to use
> > custom controls with behavior scripts might find helpful. For more info
> go
> > to:
> > > http://goulding.ws/consulting/blog/
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > > --
> > > Monte Goulding
> > > M E R Goulding Software Development
> > > Bespoke application development for vertical markets
> > >
> > > InstallGadget - How to create an installer in 10 seconds
> > > revObjective  - Making behavior scripts behave
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Re: Cookies again: Expiry Date

2010-09-06 Thread stephen barncard
I've also found that the 'normal' cookie listing in Safari security
preferences is difficult to work with - however *Develop:show web
inspector:storage pane*l shows cookies in a better way and refreshes easily.

For a while I thought my cookies weren't working - but it was because I was
setting the time and date to the current time - and that's the expiration
time and the entries wouldn't appear.

Here's my code for creating the correct format for the date:



function returnCookieDate pSeconds,pGMTHours
-- returns a date compatible with cookie use:
--  Sun, 5-Sep-2010 15:25:12 GMT
--requires setOffset, below
  if pGMTHours is empty then put "-0700" into pGMTHours
  if pSeconds is empty
  then
put the seconds into pSeconds
  end if
  -- add or subtract zone offset (like -0700) from local to GMT in
seconds here
  put setOffset(pSeconds,pGMTHours) into pSeconds
  convert pSeconds to dateitems
  put pSeconds into tDateItems
  convert pSeconds to  internet date  --  like "Sun, 5 Sep 2010 15:25:12
-0700"
  put word 1 of pSeconds into tDay
  put (word 2 of pSeconds) & "-" & (word 3 of pSeconds) & "-" & (word 4
of pSeconds) into tDate
  put word 5 of pSeconds into tTime
  replace space with "-" in tTime
  return tDay && tDate && tTime && "GMT"
end returnCookieDate

function setOffset pSecs,pGMTHours
-- 20100905
-- figures offset for time zone relating to GMT
-- example   pGMTHours = "-0700"
-- pSecs is the time in seconds
  if character 1 of pGMTHours is "-"
  then
delete character 1 of pGMTHours
put "-" into pSign
  else
put "" into pSign
  end if
  put character 1 to 2 of pGMTHours into t6oFS -- chop trailing zeros
  put (t6oFS * 3600) into tOffsetHourSeconds
  switch pSign
case it is "-"
  put (psecs - tOffsetHourSeconds ) into pSecs
  break
default
  put (tOffsetHourSeconds  + pSecs ) into pSecs
  end switch
  return pSecs
end setOffset



On 6 September 2010 09:45, Andre Garzia  wrote:

> On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 1:36 PM, Gregory Lypny
>  wrote:
> > Hi Stephen,
> >
> > Just to add to Andre's tip, I've found the setting and getting of cookies
> to be extremely finicky.  One thing that tripped me up for about four hours
> was the placement of  line of any script involving cookies.  Leave a blank first line, and it is
> possible that everything in a script will work except for things having to
> do with cookies!
> >
>
> Gregory,
>
> That is not an actual bug but a design behaviour. RevServer engine
> will output things as soon as it can, meaning that the blank line will
> be sent as is back to apache server as soon as your script starts
> executing. HTTP Headers must be sent to apache before actual output is
> sent, so if you have a blank line on top of your file, that is treated
> by the engine as "hey you want to output a blank line, fine!" and thus
> all the subsequent put header calls will fail since apache will pick
> that blank line and start outputing everyting as content and not as
> headers.
>
> RevServer will start the flush output process if it finds anything
> that is not enclosed into a 
> tag.
>
> So if you start your code with a  and
> then the output will also begin. This is good to know because of
> includes, if you put ?> in your includes, the very act of including a
> file will start the output. So take those ?> out of the include files.
>
> Before anyone ask why this is so it is because PHP engine does it this
> way and we decided to copy them.
>
>
>
> > Regards,
> >
> > Gregory
> >
>
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Re: Menu Accelerators - help!

2010-09-05 Thread stephen barncard
Swami, can't you just "Suspend Developer Tools" in the Developer menu?

On 5 September 2010 19:29, Sivakatirswami  wrote:

>  For some reason, I've never been able to get menu accelerator keys to work
> as expected.
>
> the dictionary entry on this makes sense, but could use some examples.
>  Seems straight forward enough...
>
> The syntax for menu item strings is:
>  []  ['/'  ['|' ]]
>
> where 
>
> would be, in my case:  
>
> A very common requirement is Find and Find Again. This looks correct to me:
>
> Find/^ F
> Find Again/^G
>
> The menu shows the cmd symbol (os x) and the letter, but cmd-f does nothing
> but invoke the IDE's find dialog; if I turn of development tools, it still
> does not work.  I tried these, since the IDE does not use them... as a
> test...
>
> Find/^U
> Find Again/^L
>
> But they are still unresponsive... and, if you enter an upper case
> character, does that mean the user has to use the shift key to make it work?
> I tried both, cmd-shift-U and cmd-U.
>
> neither work.
>
> What am I missing?  Will these *only* work in a standalone?
>
> Thanks
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Re: Cookies again: Expiry Date

2010-09-05 Thread stephen barncard
That was it. The date format.  Thanks very much, Andre.

sqb

On 5 September 2010 13:49, Andre Garzia  wrote:

> Stephen,
>
> I think you are using the wrong date format for the cookie. From wikipedia:
>
> The expiration date tells the browser when to delete the cookie. The
> expiration date is specified in the "Wdy, DD-Mon- HH:MM:SS GMT"
> format. As an example, the following is a cookie sent by a Web server
> (the value string has been changed):
>
> Set-Cookie: RMID=732423sdfs73242; expires=Fri, 31-Dec-2010 23:59:59
> GMT; path=/; domain=.example.net
>
> That format is similar to the internet date but it is not the internet
> date. I think you will need to assemble that out of the dateitems or
> something. Other way is to encode your cookie value such as it carries
> expiry information on the value field itself. For example
>
>  Set-Cookie: one=valueone#1283719646;
>
> Then on your code you split it using # as a itemdelimiter. valueone is
> your actual value, the number after the hash is "the seconds", an
> exact timestamp of when the cookie was set. You can use that on your
> code to invalidate a cookie if needed. This puts the control of
> expiration on your hands.
>
> Andre
>
> On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 5:28 PM, stephen barncard
>  wrote:
> >
> > I am still having trouble dealing with the effective use of setting and
> > clearing cookies properly using the Revolution server at On-Rev.
> >
> > put new header "Set-Cookie: one=datavalue"
> > put new header "Set-Cookie: two=datavalue2"
> >
> >
> > Yes, that sets the values that can be recovered, but to delete the cookie
> by
> > attempting to set an early expiry date seems to fail every time.
> >
> > put new header "Set-Cookie: two=datavalue2 ; expires=May 5,2010;"
> >
> > put "Set-Cookie: " && tln & "=" &  urlEncode(pArray[tln]) & "; expires="
> &
> > ("March 24, 2012") & ";  path=/;" into theCookie
> > put new header theCookie
> >
> >
> > I have been around and around to all the forums and see the same posts
> about
> > getting put new header to work last year but nothing about actual success
> > setting the expiry date.
> >
> > PHP makes it easy:
> >
> >  > $value = "my cookie value";
> >
> > // send a cookie that expires in 24 hours
> > setcookie("TestCookie",$value, time()+3600*24);
> > ?>
> >
> >
> > Tested, PHP works, just like this. Sets the date, too.
> >
> > In Rev it's as if the put new header command truncates the other
> parameters.
> >
> >
> > Surely someone here has a solution to this in RevTalk.
> >
> > thanks
> >
> > sqb
> >
> >
> >
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Cookies again: Expiry Date

2010-09-05 Thread stephen barncard
I am still having trouble dealing with the effective use of setting and
clearing cookies properly using the Revolution server at On-Rev.

put new header "Set-Cookie: one=datavalue"
put new header "Set-Cookie: two=datavalue2"


Yes, that sets the values that can be recovered, but to delete the cookie by
attempting to set an early expiry date seems to fail every time.

put new header "Set-Cookie: two=datavalue2 ; expires=May 5,2010;"

put "Set-Cookie: " && tln & "=" &  urlEncode(pArray[tln]) & "; expires=" &
("March 24, 2012") & ";  path=/;" into theCookie
put new header theCookie


I have been around and around to all the forums and see the same posts about
getting put new header to work last year but nothing about actual success
setting the expiry date.

PHP makes it easy:




Tested, PHP works, just like this. Sets the date, too.

In Rev it's as if the put new header command truncates the other parameters.


Surely someone here has a solution to this in RevTalk.

thanks

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Deleting all cookies with On-Rev

2010-09-04 Thread stephen barncard
I seem to be having difficulty in deleting cookies by script. Those little
buggers seem to persist forever, and I can't seem to get the syntax right or
something.

I know one method is to set the expire dates back in time. Is there a
shortcut method to delete a *group* at a time? Either way, I can't seem to
destroy them.  I know someone here has 'been there and done that'. Thanks in
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