Re: [Semi-OT] Interesting article
On 09.08.2005, at 08:14, Chipp Walters wrote: Sorry, can't sell to those in California w/out some ridiculous out- of-state alphabet tax. Maybe an email to Arnold would help... pls don´t, even the smalles insult could force him going back to Austria... brr!! ==;o( regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter T-mapping© is PhotoLearning Mindmaps! ... http://www.internettrainer.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria Tel: ++43/1/ 479 6410 Fax: ++43/1/ 955 14 64-198 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Resources to learn C programming
Alex, On 23.06.2005, at 15:35, Alex Tweedly wrote: Haven't seen that one. But in general my favourite writer's style is that of Donald Alcock, in his "Illustrating ..." series. I had the good fortune to work for him (as a summer job while at university - I learnt more in that 2 months than in most of the rest of the 4 years :-) That was when he was a civil engineer more than he was an author - but even then his writing style was unique and just plain fun. Writing in the first person, informal style for a reference manual for a stress analysis package was something of a breakthrough. And his insistence that hand-lettered text (almost calligraphy) was easier to read than printed text, and made the info easier to understand, was not something I was likely to learn in a university CS course. So I would definitely recommend "Illustrating C". Thanks for that tip, Alex! Simply great!! (that´s really brainfriendly learning) I had a lok at this book at Amazon. I understoond in a few minutes, why you have learned more from this guy in 2 month, than from others in years... Thanks again! regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter T-mapping© is PhotoLearning Mindmaps! ... http://www.internettrainer.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria Tel: ++43/1/ 479 6410 Fax: ++43/1/ 955 14 64-198 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Dreamcard Roadster in the future???
On 06.06.2005, at 01:57, Marty Billingsley wrote: Now, I don't get into the intricacies of RunRev -- I don't use sockets with it, or any internet protocol stuff -- but for what we do in my class, being able to save as a shockwave (flash) file would be fantastic. I tried to convince RR since version 0.x to do that. Without success - unfortunatly! They prefered to do that useless and costly way of annother tool "Dremacard" instead of one modular rev-tool for anybody to build his own developer tool based on the engine. I have given up. If you need a list of alternatives how you can do that with Quicktime or other tools which are able to export swf files drop me a note offline. I wish you all the luck, maybe you can get it;) regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter Ps: In the meantime Quarbon has become very *big* with exactly that idea (Viewlet) in training/education. With an extremly easy UI. T-mapping© is PhotoLearning Mindmaps! ... http://www.internettrainer.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria Tel: ++43/1/ 479 6410 Fax: ++43/1/ 955 14 64-198 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: A Philosophical Point
On 28.04.2005, at 20:55, Jim Carwardine wrote: I don't need to know this, John. How is RunRev to stay in business if they don't charge for their product? You of all people should know how much overhead is required to produce bug-free code. RunRev could not sustain itself unless it turned open source and that's not the business model they are running on. For my sake, please stay off the list... Jim Jim, and for my sake please stay off with such useless coments... regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter T-mapping© is PhotoLearning Mindmaps! ... http://www.internettrainer.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria Tel: ++43/1/ 479 6410 Fax: ++43/1/ 955 14 64-198 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: DreamCard Review-PCPLUS
On 24.12.2004, at 07:22, Chipp Walters wrote: I just hope they keep it separate, even if they do bundle it. Engine size still matters to me, and it's too easy to add stuff that I rarely if ever use -- I'd hate to see a 5MB engine, and stuff adds up. Heck, if I had it my way I'd like to see QT broken out into a separate includable module. I only need it in three apps, and everything else is carrying that code around with no benefit to my customers. Well put. And with Trevor's excellent QT external it could be done. I, too am concerned about engine bloat. But, as you know, RR has better connectors to the engine than we (as external developers) do-- this has advantages. Well?! No, thats not well Chipp, thats excellent!! Its exactly what I m wainting and talking about since the beginning: The real modular developer concept! Againts th ewe will violate you all-M$ starategy. But not only for ENGINE for the IDE too!! We did not need that bloated Dreamcard, wich is not fish nor meat. A real starter tool with a modular ide. That would be the killer app, but how many times I have voted for that! I have given up and... Anyway, thanks a lot Richard, may be once upon the time your voice is tavelling to the highlands, waking up the sleeping nessies... regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter T-mapping© is PhotoLearning Mindmaps! ... http://www.internettrainer.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria Tel/Fax: ++43-1-479 2539 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: someone noticed this one?
On 22.10.2004, at 17:49, Troy Rollins wrote: I've seen this before, and I'm glad that I'm not one of the developers who will lose work over this sort of thing. I feel for those who may. The bigger disappointment, is that it always takes away from the core product development, and there are generally a lot of resources devoted to what become proprietary solutions for a specific "enterprise service." Tribeworks went this route with iShell... which is now almost completely off the map. :-( Why? regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter T-mapping© is PhotoLearning Mindmaps ... http://www.internettrainer.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria Tel/Fax: ++43-1-479 2539 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Flash/QuickTime interaction with Revolution
On 16.09.2004, at 20:18, Troy Rollins wrote: Ah, I'll shut up. I never stay in the good graces of this list when I imply the Revolution is not always the right tool for all types of applications. thanks for that Troy, we need your different point of view...;) To RR I asked some years ago and again and again for a better nativ Flash support: Rethink about it again, pls!! To Stephen from me as a non programmer, whch does not understand well the problem, but sometimes annother point of view can help. Check Anark Studio. creativemac say "Anark Studio is the fusion of Flash, LightWave and After Effects into a pretty unique animation and authoring tool, that can output very high quality 3D " review: http://www.creativemac.com/articles/viewarticle.jsp?id=24277 If it does not all what you need. You can export from it to QT and do "the rest" with QT in rev. hope that helps regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter Trainingsmaps© -- speedlearning Mindmaps! INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria ... http://www.internettrainer.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418 Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: What about the quit menuitem in standalone with 2.5?
On 04.09.2004, at 01:49, Troy Rollins wrote: I was a hobbyist too (am still, but that's not the point). Now I consider myself a pro. Not because I am a better programmer, or because I learned so much, but because I can help more often then that I need help. Right Björnke: Evolution is based on diversity. Maybe Revolution dont need it;) This is true. Many hobbyists become pros, and many pros like to help out those with less experience. But pros also need to share experience with each other sometimes, in an environment which is somewhat less noise to signal ratio... at some point, very generalized lists such as this one offer little to the pros other than the rewarding opportunity to help newbies. I am involved in such general lists for other tools, helping out the new folks, but when the work has to get done, and there is an advanced question to be asked... well, you don't do it there. It would get lost among the 18th "how do I put something into a variable?" question of the day. since I know the list - from the beginning - a splitting in different lists never worked... Many professional programmers will be put off from Revolution if the only support list is full of DreamCard hobbyists and complete newbies doing a seventh grade homework assignment. Let´s talk about, when the millions of DC Users are here ;) regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter Trainingsmaps© -- speedlearning Mindmaps! INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria ... http://www.internettrainer.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418 Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Studio Early Update Pack £99 - Studio Update Pack £133
On 03.09.2004, at 11:59, Kevin Miller wrote: 1) You can purchase the early update pack within a year of your last purchase or renewal, otherwise you must purchase the update pack. Does this mean that I (maybee others too) have to pay the higher price, because my license has expired some weeks ago? WITHOUT any information from RR about that? Or is that a new falvor of the monthly changing RR licence policy I did not realized? regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter Trainingsmaps© -- speedlearning Mindmaps! INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria ... http://www.internettrainer.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418 Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Why 10 hours for a newbie and 30 days for a "programmer"
On 03.09.2004, at 17:38, Dan Shafer wrote: Yeah, I know about Inspiration. But they are a VERY small company, much too small to support a full-blown development tool like Rev. You are saying that Inspiration is smaller than rev?? regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter Trainingsmaps© -- speedlearning Mindmaps! INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria ... http://www.internettrainer.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418 Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Why 10 hours for a newbie and 30 days for a "programmer"
On 03.09.2004, at 17:08, Kirk McElhearn wrote: I can think of one off the top of my head: Inspiration (www.inspiration.com), who makes outlining/mind-mapping software. I've been in touch with PR people who represent other companies that make a living from software for the education market - they are usually not high-profile companies, and they usually serve only that market. Exactly. I know/work with Inspiration since about 15 years and did a lot with it. They started some years ago focusing only to the edu market, and never earned so much money in their history as with this step. And they have costumerfriendly support, whats basic for making money. regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter Trainingsmaps© -- speedlearning Mindmaps! INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria ... http://www.internettrainer.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418 Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Studio Early Update Pack £99 - Studio Update Pack £133
Hi list, I could not find any info about the diffence, does anybody know it? thanks in advance regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter Trainingsmaps© -- speedlearning Mindmaps! INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria ... http://www.internettrainer.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418 Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Why 10 hours for a newbie and 30 days for a "programmer" ?
On 02.09.2004, at 00:10, Alex Tweedly wrote: If I had known there was a time limit, I think I'd have been able to do my evaluation comfortably within that time - and I would not still be a user. At the ten hour time-frame, I was very frustrated by RR and Transcript, and wondering why on earth there were all these enthusiastic, smart people on this mail list who were convinced that it was absolutely wonderful; if it hadn't been for them, I'd have abandoned RR then regardless of any time limit. (Actually, I still am frequently frustrated by RR and Transcript - but I also know the other side of the story now :-) Perfect description. BUT you are developer think in programming newbie! regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter Trainingsmaps© -- speedlearning Mindmaps! INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria ... http://www.internettrainer.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418 Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Why 10 hours for a newbie and 30 days for a "programmer"
On 02.09.2004, at 03:30, Dan Shafer wrote: And this whole discussion is, at least for now, kind of moot because: (a) RunRev aren't likely to change their policy without a lot more feedback from users of the Dreamcard product; and (b) As someone has already pointed out a couple of times, you can always get the 30-day trial of Rev. This feels to me like a tempest in a teapot when we should all be beating up on and extolling the virtues (and finding the flaws) of the new release. So I'm going to shut up on this subject now and get back to my real love: programming in Rev! Yoohoo! Sorry Dan, but with all the respect to your great postings and big ideas here, which I appreciated very much all the time. But this sounds to me deprecative, like: "What do you, Rev user, want? You have to buy the license, evengelise and praise our product all the time, not matter what you are personally thinking about it. Therefore we will definitly *not* change ours minds." I m sorry for you, that the Gys and Gals here do not like your Idea of the 10 hours license, assuming its from you, how enthusiastic you defend it... I know you have the personality to rethink about it. So please take a short "time out" and rethink. If nit and you change to the "syndicate" of uncritical rev prayers, that would be a big loss for all of us and a loss of many future coming revolutionries. regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter Trainingsmaps© -- speedlearning Mindmaps! INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria ... http://www.internettrainer.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418 Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Why 10 hours for a newbie and 30 days for a "programmer" ?
On 01.09.2004, at 20:32, Klaus Major wrote: read the book! This guy's like five good movies rolled into one epic. My favorite is him using air force helicopters to go trout fishing in the high sierras. He's a guy of firsts. List: broke the speed of sound, spun and recovered from a spin a captured korean war style Russian Mig discovering later that this was strictly against the advice of the Russian designers, He's numero-uno at the edwards test flight center during all the great jet development in the fifties-sixties, he's the first WWII air ace to get shot down behind enemy lines and escape and get general Eisenhower's permission to fly in combat again, he has twenty-ten vision making him a fighter plain nightmare for the enemy in WWII. On top of that he's colorful, used to hang out with legendary Pancho Barns. (who's that?) Wow! So what? ;-) ROFL regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter Trainingsmaps© -- speedlearning Mindmaps! INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria ... http://www.internettrainer.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418 Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: about upgrading from 2.2 to 2.5?
On 01.09.2004, at 08:18, Stephane Dujourdy wrote: hi from Belgium! same for me , i've buy a new licence one month ago, and no information about free or payed upgrade 2.2 to 2.5? Stef. D http://www.diamondsoftware.net On 01-sept.-04, at 03:58, Andre Garzia wrote: Hi Folks, I own a Rev Studio license for 2.2. Must I pay a new full license for 2.5? is there an upgrade option? I would love to try the new features, but money is as short as always... :-/ What are dooing this pounds sterlings in the shop? Where are the Dollars and Euros? Do we need Kauri mussels to purchase an update next year? regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter Trainingsmaps© -- speedlearning Mindmaps! INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria ... http://www.internettrainer.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418 Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: Processing
On 16.08.2004, at 11:05, MisterX wrote: here's a cool link for those into graphic scripting ;) http://processing.org Thats extremely interesting! Thanks a lot for that link, MisterX... regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter Trainingsmaps© -- speedlearning with Mindmaps! INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria ... http://www.internettrainer.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418 Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Educational uses for Rev
On 15.08.2004, at 22:10, Klaus Major wrote: Is that true? JA!!! :-) YES!!! :-) Cool, isn't it... ;-) unpackbar! untakable;) regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter Trainingsmaps© -- speedlearning with Mindmaps! INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria ... http://www.internettrainer.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418 Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Educational uses for Rev
On 15.08.2004, at 04:19, Richard Gaskin wrote: If you need to embarass 'em you can wait till they say that at a meeting and point out that Visual Basic was prototyped on a Mac using SuperCard (heard it from a Microsoft employee). Is that true? regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter Trainingsmaps© -- speedlearning with Mindmaps! INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria ... http://www.internettrainer.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418 Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Versions of RR+ whats about?!
On 15.08.2004, at 18:47, Richard Gaskin wrote: And the original offer still stands: if someone wants to pay my bills for a month or two they can have it. :) At this time I could have payed this month, but I thought rev is the tool of my choice and I can do a lot with it. What an error! (It was the time before these terrible engine crashes in 1.0, which have cost me 3 big clients. And if you loose 2 years in the IT business, what should I tell you?). Now I dont have the money. And, Richard, when I will have it again, there are on the first place of muy coders list: Klaus, Malte Björnke. But I have it mind, that you can do the iShell GUI in a month. I cant blieve it, but ok, whe shall see... Pls tell me what are the costs of your bills for a month, that I can note it down for later. Sometimes in life everybody could/has/should think not only in time and money. I know thats very hard to understand for you americans, but there is a bit more in life than time and money... While I agree with many European perceptions about Americans, it's rarely useful to consider all members of any group to have the same traits (i.e., "steroetyping"). Not all Irishmen are alcoholics, some Brits can indeed cook, and I've never in my life met a lazy Mexican. ... and my wife is from Colombia and she is definitly "not" a cocaine dealer too! You are right stereotyping is never correct! but that was not my intention! If you feel _personally_ offended: sorry! OT: The austrian revenge is Arnold Blackcorner;)) I am not alone here in a lifestyle that includes a signficant amount of not-for-profit work. For starters, as a matter of company policy I donate 10% of my billable time to non-profit organizations, and during times when I have an assistant that person is instructed to do the same (Fourth World pays for their time, as it does mine). Thanks in the name of them. It's open source, and fully brancheable into any form anyone likes: you can do whatever you want with it at any time. As I know: Only for HC owner which have upgraded to rev... And not open source in the idea of GPL. Or is the source code of the engine free to dl? With one limitation: I don't personally have any use for it. As you know I m a bad scripter, so I cant help with scripting to this list. But I m still trying to bring some ideas in, although I don't personally have any use of it, spending a lot of time with it. I have some sales expierence from my former life; sold for about 10 Millions$ (more or less the actual value) MS-DOS PC´s/year for an international company. Therefore sometimes, when I saw again and again the "strange" RR distribution policy, my memory looked back and I thought: I cant do nothing for the scripters, but I could do anything for the rev GUI, the newbies, the educational market the distribution policy, which could help me in the future too. Seems I should seriously rethink about that... It's called FlipsIDE, and it's being developed now in my spare time. Thanks again in advance. I dont know if this will help me, but RR sure... In the meantime I'm going to spend today's 15 minutes enjoying a latte and doing no coding at all for anyone while I watch the boulevardier I dont have the knowlege of this "english" flavor, that I can understand it well, and the dictionary doesnt know what "latte or boulevardier" is. Now I have actual to finish my novel and sorry, if I will answer short or not to following postings, because I will not have the time to read all that, as I did in the last weeks. regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter Trainingsmaps© -- speedlearning with Mindmaps! INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria ... http://www.internettrainer.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418 Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Questions about Rev/Transcript vs. other toolkits
On 15.08.2004, at 08:25, Mark Talluto wrote: Canela means cinnamon in Spanish. that was the reason why i asked, because its promising something sweet. Canela is what we in the euopean cooking use a lot for sweets;)) regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter Trainingsmaps© -- speedlearning with Mindmaps! INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria ... http://www.internettrainer.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418 Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: QT in rev slower: Was Re: Questions about Rev/Transcript vs. other toolkits
On 13.08.2004, at 17:21, Trevor DeVore wrote: I imagine your interactive movie was using wired sprites. I did not. But maybe the tool, with which I did it, uses sprites in the executable QT code, because it has this feature. CAnt say that, because I dont not understand it. regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter Trainingsmaps© -- speelearning with Mindmaps! INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria ... http://www.internettrainer.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418 Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Versions of RR+ whats about?!
On 13.08.2004, at 20:21, Richard Gaskin wrote: If I had nothing but time on my hands I've been itching to make an iShell-like IDE just to show off the engine's versatility. But with so many folks already enjoying Rev, even if I somehow got the time I'd probably implement it as a plugin so folks could use it easily within their favorite IDE. Richard, you are in the third year promising that;)) Sometimes in life everybody could/has/should think not only in time and money. I know thats very hard to understand for you americans, but there is a bit more in life than time and money... I know you are one of the best scripter here and you did a great tool with MC, what needs much more than scripting... Whats abgout finding 15 minutes a day and wasting them to show us (me Dummy) how that unfulfilled promise can be realized anytime. If it takes monthes half a year or more... it doesnt matter. Better we have it in a year then never. I would like to participate with at least 15 minutes (not scripting of course;)), and I m sure here are more nice guys and gals, which are also ready to waste that 15 minutes. One more thought: Think not only iShell. Think about the other great GUI idea too: the mTropolis or Apple´s new Motion. Ist the same thing: drag prescripted icons to the controls and give them life. Let them do whats written inside the icaons in transcript. (they should be doubleclickable to open the editor to adapt them for the more advanced Users). Any control could be dragged like that. Check MistralMovie http://www.omegaconcept.fr/index.php?oc=54 for minutes and you will know what I mean. It lacks the possiblitiy of scripting, what its bigger brother Qucikmedia has, but has a more modern GUI, hence it gives a good impression how that mTropolis GUI could look today. We could abuse the rev dox list and form a small group, and make a list how this can be realized and everybody selects a different job. Maybe we can anytime get a small fee for that. But we can surely do a lot for the educational/newbie market. regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter Trainingsmaps© -- speelearning with Mindmaps! INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria ... http://www.internettrainer.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418 Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Questions about Rev/Transcript vs. other toolkits
On 13.08.2004, at 23:00, Mark Talluto wrote: Just for fun I shall mention that my apps are in about 2000 stores across the U.S. ;) because you are called canela?;) No serious, which app is that? regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter Trainingsmaps© -- speelearning with Mindmaps! INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria ... http://www.internettrainer.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418 Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Questions about Rev/Transcript vs. other toolkits
On 13.08.2004, at 16:08, Mark Brownell wrote: \This is a perfect example of the need for a joke handler. be carefully with joke handlers, thats a list for serious programming;)) regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter Trainingsmaps© -- speelearning with Mindmaps! INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria ... http://www.internettrainer.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418 Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
visual programming tools was ( Re: Educational uses for Rev)
On 14.08.2004, at 09:01, Richard Gaskin wrote: sim-building tool which later became KidSim), Prograph, Icon Author, and Authorware are either dead or dying. So is it the case that all of the truly visual programming languages are gone? Or have I just missed some really cool work going on out there? You have missed them, Richard! let me give you a small list ezedia QT - QT-Tool mov very easy eZedia MX - QT-Tool player very easy Qarbon great succes with Flash format (unfortunaltly now WIN only) MistralMove (the smaller brothers of QuickMedia) - the mTropolis idea, Mac only QuickMedia Mac and Win MistralMove with scripting X-Builder Mac only - a lot for 20 Bucks! AgentSheets a simulation idea - intersting! - - Hyperstudio as we know it more powerfull ones: Norpath Elements Studio - The Authorware-idea with SQL connection, deploy for OSX, Win, Linux and Solaris iShell (you know) QT at steroids a bit slow - the Outliner GUI! Magik its called now(?): Java Studio Creator (bought from Sun) visviva - some like that Win-thing Anark - impressiv and easy 3D labview - for laboratories I cant say and I m sure, there are a lot more in the net. regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter Trainingsmaps© -- speelearning with Mindmaps! INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria ... http://www.internettrainer.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418 Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Educational uses for Rev
On 13.08.2004, at 19:36, Jan Schenkel wrote: A friend of mine is a professional documentation writer, and he told me once that a number of companies explicitly tell him to not make the docs too clear, as they want customers to pay for support questions. We call that microsoftionising of the world...=;( regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter Trainingsmaps© -- speelearning with Mindmaps! INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria ... http://www.internettrainer.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418 Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Questions about Rev/Transcript vs. other toolkits
On 12.08.2004, at 08:50, Troy Rollins wrote: It seems that I'm being backed into a corner. But you came out like Ronaldo after a goal..;) regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter Trainingsmaps© -- speelearning with Mindmaps! INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria ... http://www.internettrainer.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418 Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
QT in rev slower: Was Re: Questions about Rev/Transcript vs. other toolkits
On 12.08.2004, at 03:36, Trevor DeVore wrote: and QT to integrate most of the other things I want to do (the interactive 3D stuff, instructive Flash animations, etc.). I have been very pleased with Rev's performance in all of these areas. Trevor, I have made an interactiv .mov file in a QT tool. If I run it as a standalone its double as fast as in a rev QT Player? (from the subjectiv feeling, i cant test how fast it runs) What kind of secret do have that QT performs well in rev?. regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter Trainingsmaps© -- speelearning with Mindmaps! INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria ... http://www.internettrainer.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418 Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Questions about Rev/Transcript vs. other toolkits
On 12.08.2004, at 04:24, Mark Brownell wrote: Ah yes MIAW, that's Movie In A Window. Works like a movie in a window when all the other windows in Amsterdam have real girls. Lol.. - seems that not many Driectors have been in Amsterdam yet... regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter Trainingsmaps© -- speelearning with Mindmaps! INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria ... http://www.internettrainer.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418 Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: (;-) = ?
On 08.08.2004, at 04:05, Jeanne A. E. DeVoto wrote: At 3:40 PM -0700 8/7/2004, Erik Hansen wrote: --- Klaus Major <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: (;-) is this an artifact from some cybernetic Ursprache? Perhaps a winking smiley ;-) but wearing a beret or similar headgear? Do you have patent or can we use it too?;)) regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter Trainingsmaps© -- speadlearning with Mindmaps! INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria ... http://www.internettrainer.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418 Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Quick Rev <=> Flash review
On 09.08.2004, at 03:30, Alex Shaw wrote: Both flash and rev still require kludges for certain platform-specific issues but these are [sometimes documented &] easily solved. There has been some talk about embedding activex controls into rev and this is certainly a good thing if you're ms-bound but I think most of us chose mc / rev because of it's xplat capabilities and this project certainly proved to me that it was only possible because rev is really good at the basic stuff and if it can keep doing that and improving then we all benefit. That report was vey interesting for me. Thanks! Assuming you used QT for Flash or is there any other way withotu it? But do you think, I dont remember when and how many times as I asked for that, a nativ Flash support in rev would be that Killer App(Plug in)? to revs real target market, as Dan mentioned before? obrigado to Andre also, nice metapher. I think thats the point to attract developers to change from VB or Use rev as the crossplattform Orange peel, but give this peel the possibility to hold more native supported fruits than oranges only. regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter Trainingsmaps© -- speadlearning with Mindmaps! INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria ... http://www.internettrainer.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418 Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: cross platform info
On 08.08.2004, at 20:36, Judy Perry wrote: Yes, really a good idea! Good idea! Judy On Sun, 8 Aug 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This kind of thing can kill a small developer. -- um, whats killing is not finding all the small stuff that is need to make the crossplatform stuff work. I would like to see RR docs have a full section on win/mac issuses explained and how to be handled. Why dont the webnotes be fulled out to teach newibies whats the teething points for crossplatform support are. regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter Trainingsmaps© -- speadlearning with Mindmaps! INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria ... http://www.internettrainer.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418 Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Plea to sell Dan's book widely
On 08.08.2004, at 05:16, Dan Shafer wrote: I reiterate what I said earlier today in this very interesting discussion. I do not believe Rev has any serious chance of making significant inroads into the professional development community on ANY platform, and certainly not on Windows or (moreso?) on *nix. It will always be a product aimed at hobbyist and inventive user class developers who do not write code for a living but who have real problems to solve at work or at home. That's a huge market, bigger, I believe, than the programmer market. But it has to be located and convinced. Thanks Dan couldnt agree more! regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter Trainingsmaps© -- speadlearning with Mindmaps! INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria ... http://www.internettrainer.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418 Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev's Mac-Centricity (Was: Plea to sell Dan's book widely)
On 07.08.2004, at 19:19, Dan Shafer wrote: At the end of the day, RR has to find niches where cross-platform development is important or even critical. Those niches exist. But they are not mainstream programmers on either platform (and certainly not on *nix, whose developers seem to prefer Open Source tools). To delude itself into thinking it will *ever* make significant inroads into any traditional programming market would, I think, be the end of RR. I think they should focus exclusively on the folks I call Inventive Users who are not full-time professional coders, who can make a tool switch without a huge technical or social cost, and who are at least interested in if not motivated by the possibility of cross-platform development. GREAT Analysis Dan! (like that from Troy) As it happens, I think that audience is at least 10 times as large as the professional programming audience and vastly more receptive to new development tools and technologies. But reaching that audience is tricky. I dont agree with the 10 times. Its hundred or thousand times bigger, if RR would start to focus more a this niche and better to the needs of "non professional prorgrammers". Im one of this, hence I know what im talking about. Dan, why do they not listen to you at RR? regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter Trainingsmaps© -- speadlearning with Mindmaps! INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria ... http://www.internettrainer.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418 Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Plea to sell Dan's book widely
On 07.08.2004, at 08:15, Chipp Walters wrote: Also, we can easily see where HyperCard, SuperCard and other 'Mac-centric' authoring environments have ended up. I think it's eventually in RR's best interest to focus on other platforms, else the find themselves in the same situation as the other lanquished Mac Xtalk authoring environments. And remember, both Flash and Director found some success on PC's, and originally shipped with an Xtalk language. And the Mouse father said to his son. Paint yourself as a Lion, kill his kids than you will become the next prince of Africa!! There are at least 10 Mac centric authoring environments. If the mAc has 5% and WIN 95% marketshare, than there must be about 200 WIN centric authoring environments i the market, which have survived the dominance of M$´s VB and .net. Give me only 30... regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter Trainingsmaps© -- speadlearning with Mindmaps! INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria ... http://www.internettrainer.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418 Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: libRMC PDF docs
On 04.08.2004, at 15:06, Malte Brill wrote: a first quick´n´dirty PDF is online: <http://www.derbrill.de/librmc/docs.pdf> please let me know if you need anything else. BRAVO Malte! you understood the word "brainfriendly"! regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter Trainingsmaps© -- speadlearning with Mindmaps! INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria ... http://www.internettrainer.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418 Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Animation library+open source
On 02.08.2004, at 13:45, Kevin Miller wrote: Would it make sense to open source it? It is now open source. correct me if I m wrong, but how can a part of rev be open source without a GPL License for rev? As I understand I can make my scripted code free (open source), but every open Source developer has to buy a rev license to write code? Will they do that? (How knows this guys?) Is there any intention in RR to make the engine open source? I m very interested in that, because I m changing my Trainingsmaps© to open source. regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter Trainingsmaps© -- speadlearning with Mindmaps! INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria ... http://www.internettrainer.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418 Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [ANN] Web Photos Pro 1.0b8
On 26.07.2004, at 15:12, Frank Leahy wrote: Please take it for a spin at http://www.webphotospro.com/downloads/. I'd love to have any and all feedback that you want to send my way. Very good and intutive GUI! regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter Trainingsmaps© -- speadlearning with Mindmaps! INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria ... http://www.internettrainer.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418 Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Documentation & Books+promise+finish!
Sorry that I m so late finishing this threat and fulfilling my promise of an example. On 11.07.2004, at 21:27, Marian Petrides wrote: Beginners (especially) need things explained to them in what I call "people language." My post was intended to demonstrate how that can be done. I hate the name "for Dummies" but using the term is the quickest way to get the point across. In order to "hook" beginners, we need introductory material such as would appear in a book entitled "Revolution for Dummies." :-0) thats exactly what I m tried to say - but in better english;) I realize now, but didn't when I made my post, that Judy wasn't looking for that kind of answer. At the time I thought she was (sorry, Judy!). It was my impression too. !Important: pls dont analyze these examples for correct content. I did _not_ learn what an Array is. I tried only to show, what kind of book/exemple stack/tool I would like to learn new/unknown content. And how would I restructure rev examples. It is only a first draft. To become a real brainfriendly book/tool/MM-App/ it would need a lot more of conceptional and detail work. please have a look first at arrayexplication and then at arrayexample to understand naturally like a beginner learner. To make an important point more clearer; understanding and remembering is not only an issue of beinners. A better understandable structure and a more selfexplaining grafical UI helpes also the professionals to get it faster and remember more effectively. http://www.internettrainer.com/9files/revolution/arrayexplication.html http://www.internettrainer.com/9files/revolution/arrayexample.html On 11.07.2004, at 19:52, Judy Perry wrote: Head on over to the new Yahoo group Richard & Dan have set up on this topic: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RevDocs If you're willing to collaborate... Hope to see you over there! Thanks Judy, I ll check that! thanks to all for you patience and for your very interesting ideas too. regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter Trainingsmaps© -- speadreading Mindmaps! INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria ... http://www.internettrainer.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418 Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Documentation & Books+sorry!+conlcusion (?OT)
a clear and crisp Imagin(ation) in my head what an array is. (An Image says more...) After understanding the content of an example you can remember and you can start with try and error and maybe with some good examples, finally to reproduce your own first array. And there was a great addition from Mark?? how you can write it in another way: (Like Monday, wendsday, friday seperated by commas). That explained itself without any words whats the difference in scripting. That gives everbody a faster and better understanding. Slowly I got a first overview. Hence I decidied to make my examples based on this sophisticated programming element (Array). (Maybee I did not understand all in a few minutes, but much more than in years of reading about it here on the list). If I can recover the latest files of my HD I will put them online later. The reason why most of good programmers cant write good instructions, or good scientists are so often bad teachers is that they can not go into the mind of a learner and understand that the learner knows nothing about the theme he knows so much... Let me finally say some words to the dox: Jeanny did a great job making the best of a kind of catastrophic Ur-documentation. But imho she has got a kind of Tantalus job with that. Dan, as I have looked once at examples of his book, did a real great job to make a better documentation. And I think (IMHO) he could maybe solve this Interface/documentation problem. There have been a lot of others great postings. Especially one, which asked the principal question: Does rev need another documentation or another UI? I htink both;) thanks again for you interest regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter Trainingsmaps© -- that´s speadlearning mindmaps..! INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria ... http://www.internettrainer.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418 Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Documentation & Books
On 07.07.2004, at 01:48, Marian Petrides wrote: Marian, judy, list Marian, i agree with a lot you have said before. But.. IMHO the big point why these discussion, arises again and again since years on the list, like the good old Nessie. (maybe I should better give up talking about this left/right brain - concerns here in the scripters world, but anyway, i give it another try;) And, one more suggestion: to accommodate the real newbie programmers, Forget the "newbie" "programmers". Get the newbies to programming. Sounds equal, but isnt, why? If you are a "newbie (rev) programmer" then you are a programmer, which is mostly coming from another "programming" tool. That means a left brain-talented person, which is interested in programming and has learned to think like programmers: digital step by step, word by word, tone by tone details etc...) . For him its very easy to understand the structure of a script, because it s language-like: word by word / variable by variable word by variable, etc... He loves to think in that way. Hence he will likely go page by page through a left brain tutorial, Documentation etc, because he understands whats written in these documentation. The other one: newbie to prorgramming. Can be a left talented person but mostly will not be, because he is not interested in programming. until this first contact with a programming tool. Therefore most of them are rightbrain talented person. They like association, Colors, emotions, creativity. But they hate step by step-things. The do not think like a programmer, they have a lot of problems understand whats written in the docs. They need a kind of visual instruction. Judy! They need, first of all an OVERVIEW of all this incomprehensible written details. They are looking for fast capture of the content - with one view. The most important thing for a right brainer is to know the content BEFORE he starts learning. Therefore they need an Index, to get this overview. If they dont get it and must learn from the documentation, they will be frustrated immediately. But we all have learned very early in our childhood: Avoid frustrations! If they cant avoid it or escape of all that frustrations, they will learn to hate rev. (As I have learned, hence I know what I m talking about), Because I m NOT a natural leftbrained programmer. If you are interested in getting the big potential of creativity of the right brainers, they are about 50% of the mankind, but I belive less than 5% of the programmers, then you have to give them a brainfriendly(!) documentation. to have them as satisfied members on board. BTW most of them are not(!) already captured, like 90% of the leftbrainer, by Visual-(anything) and anyhting.NET. Apple got this brainfreindly thing with first Mac OS 6.x, and than with HC. An some HC Dokumentation have been instinctivly written brainfriendly too. That was the great succes of HC in the market of (more rightbrain) Mac Users but newbies to programming. An great brainfriendly authoring tool, not from Apple, was mtropolis. If you have a lot of doubts about this brain matters, which are not from me, thats common knowledge in the brain science, maybee you believe more in the University of Cambridge: Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a total mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. Amzanig huh? this works in nearly all languages (aslo acuh in desucth) and gives you an idea how our brain is woking and why a fast overview, indices and keywords are so important for the understanding, and understanding for applying. Because of another project i have not much time at the moment, but if a lot of people are realy interested how my idea of a brainfriendly documentation could look like, I can do a small simple example. my 2 cents regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter Trainingsmaps© -- that´s Speedlearning with Mindmaps©! INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria ... http://www.internettrainer.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418 Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Upgrades Should Be More Transparent
On 25.06.2004, at 21:17, Dan Shafer wrote: I have to download the new version (in its entirety), copy over all the non-duplicated stuff in my current Rev folder, launch, and provide my license code. No other program I use on OS X requires that complexity for an upgrade. Agree... And dont forget that we have allways to do the preferences new again. Or is there a way to store a pref files? regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter Trainingsmaps© -- nur klicken müssen Sie können..! INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria ... http://www.internettrainer.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418 Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: New Tutorial...
On 04.05.2004, at 16:40, John Tenny wrote: Now THIS is a tutorial! The use of screen shots makes it so much faster to understand and easier to use. If the Rev docs were like this it would greatly reduce the frustration and foul language. agree since about 3 years;) regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter Trainingsmaps© -- nur klicken müssen Sie können..! INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria ... http://www.internettrainer.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418 Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Documentations Biggest Flaw
On 25.03.2004, at 20:45, Richard Gaskin wrote: As Paul Looney observed at last night's RUG-LA meeting, the documentation is nearly completely devoid of screen shots. Paul's own manual for his IT Works product provides an inspiring contrast: hardly a page doesn't include at least once screen shot, often more, so readers can more easily grasp context than would be possible with text descriptions alone. I believe Paul's point applies to all types of learners: even the most verbally-inclined learner will also respond measurably well to illustrations. Geoff, I dont know who is Paul Looney an whats a night's RUG-LA meeting. But brainfriendly learning is much more than combine text with screenshots. regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter Trainingsmaps© -- nur klicken müssen Sie können..! INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria ... http://www.internettrainer.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418 Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Documentations Biggest Flaw
On 22.03.2004, at 20:55, Kevin Miller wrote: On 21/3/04 5:29 pm, Dave Calkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --- There are three different ways or styles in which people learn: verbal, visual, and kinesthetic. Educators know that in order to have most of their students grasp the information they are trying to get across, they must structure and present their lesson in ways that will trigger all three types of learning. or call it the left/right brain-way... Verbal learners will love the rev documentation. They learn best by verbal communication. They pick things up by reading or listening. The documentation for this type of learner is fabulous. Kinesthetic learners understand things by taking them apart, putting them back together, practicing with the parts. Getting in there and swinging the hammer, pounding a few nails, hands on kind of thing; that is how they learn best. With rev, they will learn the most as they play with the cook book, open up the scripts, seeing how they work, modifying them to see what happens. The rev documentation is OK here, not great, but it has been improving in this area. Exactly thats the point I was talking about on this list since it has started. Finally I gave up. Thanks that you Dave came up and explained it much better than i could. But, how du you think you (we) can get this in to the head of verbal, left brain, digital and sequential working heads of a programmer? The visual learner needs pictures to "see" how things operate. They learn best by looking at screen shots of what is being talked about, looking at a picture of the icon being discussed, by watching the computer move the mouse on the screen to select the proper menu item, by having a little man pop onto the screen and show him what to do, etc. This type of presentation is essential to a visual learner and is almost non existent in the rev documentation. Don't get me wrong, I think that the amount of information in the docs is superb. I also know that adding the visual aspect to the documents will add to their size, but it will open up RR to a vastly larger audience. It will also, I believe, inspire many more people as to what can be done with RR. Revolution has the tools to have a great learning environment for the "Visual" and "Kinesthetic" learner. I agree nearly to erveryting you said, but i deleted most of it to make the post better readable Fantastic post. You have perfectly summed up what is one of our very top priorities for the next couple of releases of Revolution! Stay tuned for big improvements. Kevin Oh, oh, ooh Thats the most interesting announcement you did since this list was born. I m very, very, very keen about what this will realy mean! what about the idea to announce the same for the UI??? regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter Ps:: to make one thing clear: IMHO Jeanne did a great job to make the best of it) Trainingsmaps© -- nur klicken müssen Sie können..! INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria ... http://www.internettrainer.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418 Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: too many emails in mail osx
On 06.01.2004, at 21:58, Thomas J McGrath III wrote: I have way too many emails now in OSX Mail. Does anyone know of an archiving application for OSX for Mail? I have almost 5000 emails and I do like to search them for answers to scripting problems. a great tool for archiving all kind/formats is DEVONthink. http://www.devon-technologies.com/welcome.php They have also an Applescript which does the job building a Finder Structure. But with 5000 mailes you should give the script a whole night to do the job... regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter Trainingsmaps© -- nur klicken müssen Sie können..! INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria ... http://www.internettrainer.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418 Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Develop on Windows or Mac
On 06.11.2003, at 01:23, Alex Rice wrote: On thing I'm not sure about: must the OS X build be separate, because it has a whole new binary format? Or is the PPC build "Carbonized" so it can run on OS X and Mac OS? It seems carbonized but I saw some features not working in a fat build opened in OS X. But this could depend on the releases of the Distribution builder. Imho I would build it for OSX to be on the safe side... regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter Learn easy with trainingsmaps© INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria ... http://www.internettrainer.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418, Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Re: bookmark manger
On Montag, Okt 20, 2003, at 03:50 Europe/Vienna, Andre Garzia wrote: On Sunday, October 19, 2003, at 10:17 AM, Wolfgang M.Bereuter wrote: Does here anybody know a crossplatform Bookmark-manger (idea: to have it on a USB stick and use it on 3 systems import and export hassfree from one OIS to another) If this does really not exist, wouldnt that be an idea for a rev Shareware tool...? Build one! Use XML or Rev stacks for storage, create simple executable stubs to launch your stacks in every compilable platform and there you go! a nice shareware! Hahaha... good joke! I need all the time understandign and learning how I - as an UI Developer - can use rev as a multimedia authoring tool (what it not really is). I m not a scripter, so I dont need another reason to struggle with rev...=;o) There is so much to do in my own project esp. with my gratis Linux Versions... If I remember well Lula said that Brasil will change to Linux... Bravo!! Another big market... If you are interested in my project "internet for beginners" (the most brainfriendly learning tool in the world based ona simple click) send me a note off line. Translating to different languages thats the only thing I have to do now. (only german is ready) obrigado... (do you say so? remembering some short visits to Portugal) one more thing: your server project sounds interesting, but can you give me an idea for what I could use it? regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter Learn easy with trainingsmaps© INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria ... http://www.internettrainer.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418, Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
[no subject]
Hi list, there is a very good bookmark-manger for the Mac: Url Manager. But, I and some collegues from another list dont know nothing like that for Win and Linux... Does here anybody know a crossplatform Bookmark-manger (idea: to have it on a USB stick and use it on 3 systems import and export hassfree from one OIS to another) If this does really not exist, wouldnt that be an idea for a rev Shareware tool...? regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter Learn easy with trainingsmaps© INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria ... http://www.internettrainer.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418, Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: transparent graphic with border visible, windows
On Dienstag, Sep 30, 2003, at 14:51 Europe/Vienna, Howard Bornstein wrote: This works perfectly on the MAc a blank area on a blank ground you can see nothing but on windows (builds) you see a ugly grey >> rectangle. Make sure that the ShowFocusBorder is set to false. I've found that on Windows, this shows up as a black or gray rectangle. Unfortunately, you don't see this with any of the Look and Feel options. Hi Howard, thanks for the tip, but it did not helped in my case. I have also a grey (card)background only on Win and only in one stack. Any other ideas...? regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter Learn easy with trainingsmaps© INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria ... http://www.internettrainer.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418, Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: transparent graphic with border visible, windows
On Sonntag, Sep 28, 2003, at 17:20 Europe/Vienna, Howard Bornstein wrote: On Sunday, September 28, 2003, at 10:28 AM, Rodney Tamblyn wrote: Can anyone tell me how to make a transparent graphic with visible border on Windows (It's easy on Mac). The graphic needs to be "opaque" so it will capture mouse clicks, but obviously I want it to show what's underneath, so the ink will in fact make it transparent apart from the border. Any reason why it *has* to be a graphic. Why not just place a button over the area, set the opaque and showname to false, and set the border to whatever thickness you want. Or am I missing something? I have a similar problem, maybe thats the reason why you cant go with an opaque btn. I have such a btn over the area as you described. And this btn is set to apaque on some stacks so the user cant see the area under the btn and it is set to off that the btn does not work on this Stacks. This works perfectly on the MAc a blank area on a blank ground you can see nothing but on windows (builds) you see a ugly grey rectangle. I m thinking now how can I solve this problem, but can I do anything, when it works well on the MAc but not on Win..? Thanks for any ideas.... regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter Learn easy with trainingsmaps© INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria ... http://www.internettrainer.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418, Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Lindows teaser
On Freitag, Sep 26, 2003, at 22:16 Europe/Vienna, Barry Levine wrote: The words I keyed in on were "without having to install anything". I erroneously thought it would permit me to do so once I decided I liked it. *sigh* So, do you think that, for $50, we can actually write apps for this OS and, more importantly, get paid by them for doing so? Look what I m doing: I give the Linux build of my learning tool ife for free, to all Win2Linux-switcher... (Nearly everybody which tties Linux the first time is kind of switcher:) regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter Learn easy with trainingsmaps© INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria ... http://www.internettrainer.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418, Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Lindows...
On Freitag, Sep 26, 2003, at 11:05 Europe/Vienna, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nopix has our Guru's approval. Walmart doesn't! ;)) From the Lindows site, the office suite is extra $$... The seagate story was either on Slashdot.org or theregister.co.uk So Bush shops at Walmart!!? ;)), ROFL regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter Learn easy with trainingsmaps© INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria ... http://www.internettrainer.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418, Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Bug submission
On Montag, Sep 22, 2003, at 19:45 Europe/Vienna, Alex Rice wrote: Thanks Alex Looks very good at the first view. Thank Ken Ray, not me. I did it offline. regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter Learn easy with trainingsmaps© INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria ... http://www.internettrainer.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418, Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Bug submission
On Donnerstag, Sep 18, 2003, at 21:13 Europe/Vienna, Alex Rice wrote: But I dont want to learn and struggle with bugzilla, because it is very complicated...! AND Ken Ray has written this most cool app, which he announced on Sept 14. So now you really have no excuse for not using bugzilla :-) http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/downloads/RevZilla.htm Thanks Alex Looks very good at the first view. Why is this not included in the rev ide...? Or, why it is not on the RR page as (cgi stack)-UI before awful bugzilla-UI..? regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter Learn easy with trainingsmaps© INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria ... http://www.internettrainer.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418, Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
2.1 starts very slow
Hi list, I have compared an actual 2.1 build with a older 2.0.x build. 2.1 is the same program (same included) with some minor bugfixes. Buz surprisingly it needs 3(!) times longer to start. 2.0x build was about 3-4 seconds the 2.1 needs about 10 seconds. Thats a big difference. One of my selling arguments ist. Starts very fast like in was in 2.0 and 1.1.1 and 1.0 to... But 10 seconds are nto so fast(!). Any idea what this can be..? regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter Learn easy with trainingsmaps© INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria ... http://www.internettrainer.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418, Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Bug submissions, Feature requests and Voting
On Freitag, Sep 19, 2003, at 15:07 Europe/Vienna, Igor Couto wrote: Bug reporting systems should also be EASILY searchable (and Bugzilla isn't), and it should help novices file reports that are appropriate - ie, directed at the appropriate area, using the correct jargon, etc. If that doesn't happen, then information is misfiled, you get enormous amounts of duplicate or closely related bugs, and searching the database becomes increasingly ineffective. Agree also to that... F.e.: what happens if one bug is called different from 2,3,5,8 etc reporters. Then you can check the db and you get the answer there is not such a bug answer. But it is there maybe 2,3,5,8 time with a different name. Here you need human intelligence. Thats another reason why I proposed, that anybody from from the rev team should watch and transfer report tho the bugzilla. regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter Learn easy with trainingsmaps© INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria ... http://www.internettrainer.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418, Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Bug submissions, Feature requests and Voting
On Freitag, Sep 19, 2003, at 15:07 Europe/Vienna, Igor Couto wrote: What revolution needs is a plug-in that IS the bug reporting system, to be shipped with the program. I seem to have seen that someone (was it Ken Ray?) who is developing a Rev-like interface to Bugzilla. Something along those lines would be much more suited to this kind of application. Right thats a great idea... regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter Learn easy with trainingsmaps© INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria ... http://www.internettrainer.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418, Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Bug submission
On Donnerstag, Sep 18, 2003, at 18:48 Europe/Vienna, Mark Chia wrote: Currently, Runtime Revolution provides a web based interface for users to report bugs which is publically accessible. It should be noted that when submitting bugs users should provide a clear, concise and reproducible recipe. Users are also advised to read about the bug database along with bug submitting guidelines located at - http://www.runrev.com/Revolution1/bugzilla/ Mark Every tool has bugs, the question is how many and how long they exist. But the number of bugs in rev, which makes it useless for me is endless... (For example now: the property profiles does work in the ide, but does NOT work when you build an app. I have set all textfields to another profile than Master. But all text fields in the build are empty. Rev 2.1 build a standalone which opens the rev ide. Impossible to change that. The 2.1 build produces an error of the windows engine... etc...) (OSX 10.2.6 G4 >1 Giga Ram) But I need that functions. I have bought a rev license because of the features it has, in the description at least. But this new bug makes it AGAIN impossible to deliver my program!!! Somethimes I really ask myself: Wolfgang, are you an idiot? Why have you bought another licenses when you are waiting and waiting since such a long time for a usable tool and you dont get it..? I have wasted a lot of time during the last 2 years reporting bugs - Im tired of that. These bugs are serious not cosmetic. I have bought 2 rev licenses in the last years to deliver a program to my costumers, but was able to do that until today). I want a (bugless/bugfree as possible)-programm which does what the description promises, and I want it soon now. But I dont want to learn and struggle with bugzilla, because it is very complicated...! So I think you, or anybody of the rev team, who is more trained on bugzilla, should still watch this list, like before, and transfer the bug reports and bug descriptions from here to bugzilla. my 2 cents regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter Learn easy with trainingsmaps© INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria ... http://www.internettrainer.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418, Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev IDE crashing
On Dienstag, Sep 9, 2003, at 16:51 Europe/Vienna, Chris Sheffield wrote: It's not really so much that I can't open it without locking messages, it's just that's what I do when I want to make changes to that stack. That stack depends upon the first one. "RNLogin" is just that, a stack for the user to log in. Certain initialization takes place there: connecting to a database, initialization of some global variables, etc. Without that, the "RNStories" stack will not run correctly. I had a similar problem with "go in the window of this stack" some rev version before. But there was another thing which made rev crash. Check in the prefs: Files&Memory: if destroy stack is flase, when closing last stack in file I had checked: Close this file.. if you have checked this too, try to set it back to default (1): dont close this file. Maybe this helps... regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter Learn easy with trainingsmaps© INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria ... http://www.internettrainer.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418, Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: New Rev Buyers, did you receive your unlocking key?
On Mittwoch, Sep 3, 2003, at 23:00 Europe/Vienna, Judy Perry wrote: I'm still waiting patiently. I figure a bunch of us waited until the last minute (but not, unfortunately, my students, whom I wish to beat with a large stick...) Me too I m wainting for a new license, because the one I got was wrong, since about a week. Only Heathers robot is answering. Usually she answers very fast! I hope she is not ill..? regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter Learn easy with trainingsmaps© INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria ... http://www.internettrainer.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418, Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
what kind of new game is that in 2.1?
On Montag, Sep 1, 2003, at 16:31 Europe/Vienna, Javier Miranda V. wrote: Hi list, OSX 10.2.6 G4 > 1 Gig Ram starting 2.1 the flash screen hangs up with on loading paterns behind the flash screen the rev errorDisplay is flashing like crazy about 6-7 times per second.. and the old mac black and whit time disk is running like crazy too helped only: force quit... if this is not a new game, than it must be a starting problem, is`n it? (the old 2.0.1 starts correct) I do not know whats that, but ll try to install now rev 2.1 again, because I have to work "sometimes"... regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter Learn easy with trainingsmaps© INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria ... http://www.internettrainer.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418, Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Bravo the OSX textborder-bug is fixed!
Hi I cant believe it: The good old OSX textborder-bug is fixed in 2.1!!! Heureka!!! regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter Learn easy with trainingsmaps© INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria ... http://www.internettrainer.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418, Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Background Color BleedThrough -- Fairly Easy Fix
On Montag, Sep 1, 2003, at 06:56 Europe/Vienna, J. Landman Gay wrote: You can put a rect graphic in and put it around the field. I believe it can be positioned to stand in perfectly for the field border, and yet not leave a mark. Good for a temporary work-around, but in the long run they need to fix it. On the bright side, I see the bug has been assigned and it is under review. Thanks Jaquelin, you are completly right. It must be fixed urgently. IMnHO Why this is not a real workaround Geoff... 1) I have hundreds of fields, which must move on click with effect. A work around in this way is impossible or would be worse than a chinese torture. So I had to find another work around in the past. As I said the bug is very old and I have reportet it before bugzilla about 5 or 6 times. And I remmber others, which have reported it too... Why it is not in bugzilla...? I would be really interested why this was not fixed in the last 1,5 years..? My workaround was: change all (bigger) text-controls to the size that you dont need scrolling... (for some of them it was not possible, because the text content are to big, so the ugly lines are still there...) Not an elegant english style,:) A similar problem was that with the double-arrow buttons. I could not move/change any controls with the nudge buttons. Pls RR team imagine that once.!? Not moving a single control, a group of controls, no change in size of a single control, etc... Now I know, thanks to Barry, that the reason is Cocktails double-arrow buttons. But I had this Cocktail Effekt *only* in rev. So I thought thats a rev problem... Therefore finally I think: 1) anybody from RR should still read the list to see what problems are discussed here and actualize/check the db. RR should also listen a bit more to these non scripters (like me). Not all of them are idiots, and they have to pay the same money like the others... regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter Learn easy with trainingsmaps© INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria ... http://www.internettrainer.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418, Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Now What??? Where's my rev license?
On Donnerstag, Aug 28, 2003, at 06:01 Europe/Vienna, Dar Scott wrote: On Wednesday, August 27, 2003, at 09:42 PM, Andre Garzia wrote: just bought 199 studio version, now what, the home page just gave me a thank you for your transaction and stoped!!! Where do I get my license? Is this really ugly... Well, first check your mail. If it is not there, send Heather a note. She is very, very good at solving these problems. If you're are worried about being double charged or not getting it done before the cut off, mention that, too. Andre buenas noches y espera hasta manana, que Heather se levanta... Heather works very fast, but must sleep some times too...;) regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter Learn easy with trainingsmaps© INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria ... http://www.internettrainer.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418, Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: application browser: order of substacks?
On Montag, Aug 25, 2003, at 22:18 Europe/Vienna, Alex Rice wrote: Is it possible to change the order that the Application Browser displays substacks? The order created is not always the best sequence to display them in. I've got a lot of substacks and makes using the app browser more difficult. Me too... But, have a look at Geoffs Navigator. Thats the better applbro... regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter Learn easy with trainingsmaps© INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria ... http://www.internettrainer.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418, Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: AW: Linux double click
On Freitag, Aug 22, 2003, at 17:00 Europe/Vienna, Alex Rice wrote: On Friday, August 22, 2003, at 04:33 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: do a "chmod 755 XXX" in the console, with XXX is your filename. This will make it readable and executable for anybody. That would be my guess too. But for learning Unix file permissions, I would not start off not using the octal codes, instead use the shorthand like this --- Claus, Alex, thanks for the tips... regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter Learn easy with trainingsmaps© INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria ... http://www.internettrainer.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418, Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Linux double click
Hello list, I have builded a Linux app (SUSE 8.1 distribution) with rev and thought that it will run on double click (of the main stack) like OSX and WIN does. But Suse does ask me with what App I would like to open this file...? Is that a problem of my Linux ignorance, a missing file extension or a rev build problem...? What i am missing ? Thanks for any tips... regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter Learn easy with trainingsmaps© INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria ... http://www.internettrainer.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418, Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: How can I make my mainstack stay invisible?
On Monday, Aug 18, 2003, at 11:14 Europe/Vienna, Graham Samuel wrote: It's the stack with all the startup logic and it's the root of all the common handlers for the rest of the app, plus it contains private debugging info (I have a kind of tracer/timer routine that shows the progress of certain events in a field I can look at during development). Since it's the mainstack, it opens automatically when the app starts. I may have designed my app in a stupid way from the RunRev point of view, but I got some of these ideas from SuperCard and they've stuck... Make a splash screen only to click on to start. And hide the mainstack in the data folder with all the other stuff. The splash screen should not do more than start and work "as you say" as an anchor for the real stacks in the data folder. If you dont know how to do I cant help you more but I know who can help you with that problem, because he showed me once how to do that: Klaus Major!! I would drop him a line offlist... Dont know if that helps... regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter Learn easy with trainingsmaps© INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria ... http://www.internettrainer.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418, Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Portable fonts and usage recommendations needed
On Sunday, Aug 17, 2003, at 21:06 Europe/Vienna, Bill Vlahos wrote: Dan, Does this mean that you own the fonts? Are they for sale to include in other programs? Assuming they are, can the same font be attached to the application/stack and work on both Mac and Windows without the user having to install the font? Bill Vlahos Thats exactly THE question! Very interesting... pls Dan, answer to that..;) regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter Learn easy with trainingsmaps© INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria ... http://www.internettrainer.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418, Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev. 2.1 andd licence
On Dienstag, Aug 5, 2003, at 13:28 Europe/Vienna, Ludovic Thébault wrote: I want to take an "Express" licence of rev (with the limited time offer). If Rev 2.1 is not released before 31 august, the update in rev 2.1 would be it possible ? Interesting question..! And - what happens if the upgrade price is still secret until 31 August..? About 4 weeks we are waiting for the upgrade price now... Whats so hard to find out 4-5 numbers...? If you cant find it out post your ideas to the list and you will have an answer in 1 or 2 days... promised..;) regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter Learn easy with trainingsmaps© INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria ... http://www.internettrainer.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418, Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: I speak German, so I think that I can't use Revolution, merde :-)
On Friday, Aug 8, 2003, at 22:16 Europe/Vienna, Tuviah Snyder wrote: Is reported already and is being fixed. The problem was that when we went to Mach-O architecture, we had to use UTF-8 for file names. Therefore internally we have to convert from Mac/ISO to UTF-8 when specifying file names and vice versa when getting filenames. So please be patient, developing a dynamic rad tool which supports all platforms and all languages in the world is not an easy task for any development team. Ohhh, I cant believe it - an explication of a problem... Very well done, Tuviah! You should do PR not developing of RR...;) Thanks..! regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter Learn easy with trainingsmaps© INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria ... http://www.internettrainer.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418, Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Script Limits and solid IDE evolution!
Hi Benrhard, On Thursday, Aug 7, 2003, at 16:09 Europe/Vienna, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Runrev should instead be publicising Revolution. And this means attending other than Mac-only events - unfortunate as it may be to Mac and Linux users, Win32 still massively dominates the desktop. The whole xCard/xTalk paradigm is virtually unknown to Win32 users/developers. This is where they need to market, and it is precisely the people in this market who need the opportunity to understand the xCard paradigm that the Starter Kit provided. Its not so often that I have to defend the RR marketing and distribution policy...;)) But you are talking here about a small company not Adobe, MM or M$. Do you have any idea how much money does this cost what you proposing...? A small company like RR, can only go into an exactly defined niche and start crowing... It impossible to go to the whole world market against M$ .net, IBM, Borland and all this companies on the woldmarket. Even Adobe with a big marketing budget was not really able to get a "real" marketshare with Indesign against Xpress in 2 years. Example: in Germany they have checked award wining books, with what tool they have been layouted... It not represantativ for the whole world market but it shows haw difficult it is to go in occupied market. 48 or 49 from 50 books have been made with Xpress. regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter Learn easy with trainingsmaps© INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria ... http://www.internettrainer.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418, Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: For true beginners
Sylvain, On Sunday, Aug 10, 2003, at 07:56 Europe/Vienna, Sylvain Bouju wrote: Ken Norris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Things like a phone dialer, an MP3 playlist, a graph maker, a set of stack templates, etc. I think that a very basic but multi-plateform adress book, with some import/export capabilities with the most used actual PIM would be a good learning tool, IMHO Is that what a beginner really needs...? As mentioned Mark in the first post. But a true beginner imho is not a person with some years experience of Basic, xtalk, Direktor, Javascript or even html... A true beginner is a real true beginner in scripting... Imho an example how to program a PIM is not the right thing. Why..? Some reasons: 1) We still have a great example of scripting the first tool and you cant do it better: http://www.hyperactivesw.com/mctutorial/index.html The only small cosmetic it needs for a real beginner(home) stack is get out the comparison to HC. 2) At the same time thats a perfect start for old HC scripter... But, is that included in the rev packet...? The problem is: All this instruction I have seen are starting with the *second* or maybe the third step called: Hello world A true beginner, needs another thing than scripting hello world. He needs... *An overview about the whole tool * A good explication about the stack/card metapher, *before* he goes in tho the details and start to write the first line of script: Hello world. *A real introduction which shoes him what rev could do in the future for him, if he is willing to learn/(struggle)... *A kind of "try and error"-stack with out the standard scripting error warnings... A module library with prefabricated scripts to solve problem *at the beginning* he will learn to solve later Ant that should not be integrated in the tool itself. That helps nothing. If a beginner opens the tool he wants to do anything, not to search in the Index, cookbook etc. which are to big for beginners. That comes later on.. Let me say that with the words of Antoine de Saint Exuperys little prince: Wenn du Leute suchst um ein Boot zu bauen, dann sprich nicht über die Arbeit, sondern erzähle ihnen von der Weite und der Freiheit des Meeres... (Maybe Klaus or Malte can translate it better). If you nee people to build a ship, then dont talk about the kind of work wich must be done, tell them about the freedom and wideness of the see... To build this packet, is a job, which cant be done by experienced *programmers* neither a technical persons. I think I have seen here only a few persons which could do that: Dan Shafer or Jacqueline and some friends of mine from the german revboard, because they are persons which are able to think with the head of a beginner... That idea of the "true beginner" is nearly as old as the list itself, based allways on hello world. Nearly everybody can reproduce "hello world" with the cook book. But reproducing with a cookbook and producing another ting without i, are 2 very different things. Hence a real beginner could be very fast lost in scripting/error-space and will have his first big frustration. If he cant or is not willing to pass that frustration, he is lost for rev... And believe me, I know what kind of frustrations rev can build in a "non-scripters brain"... Such a kind of packet is revs missing link to start for true beginners, and thats what the good old b/w HC is still ahead. my 2 cent regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter Learn easy with trainingsmaps© INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria ... http://www.internettrainer.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418, Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: I speak French, so I think that I can't use Revolution, aaaaargh.
On Saturday, Aug 9, 2003, at 00:21 Europe/Vienna, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry to intrude, but I DON'T speak French... And as far as I know, our Scottish friends from RR and a lot of other people on this list don't either, so do you mind posting in English? Maybe we can be of any assistance when we know what you are talking about... me too, but please let them speak french if they prefer it... If they think that other should understand it too, then they will change to english, -- Imho And for the lack of French documentation: So what? There is no German, Spanish, Dutch documentation either... Not being able to use special characters: ok, bddd Revolution, nice to have Bugzilla... maybe I have missed something, but what the real tool for us now Revolution or Bugzilla...=;0) regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter Learn easy with trainingsmaps© INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria ... http://www.internettrainer.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418, Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Copying a group
On Sonntag, Aug 3, 2003, at 07:07 Europe/Vienna, J. Landman Gay wrote: The results of the copy command kind of make sense, since I didn't specify what card I wanted, and so I got the first card by default. However, the command: copy group "myGroup" of cd 3 of stack "Main" to this cd doesn't work either, I still get the contents of card one. Is it a bug or is it normal? I had the also problems (yesterday) copy and paste backgrounds-groups. I did it by the clipboard not by command line. After pasting it to another stack all the btns in the group are placed over each other instead in the same order they have bean when selceted. Or nothing have been pasted. doesn't work either, I still get the contents of card one. We "old" rev user (those from 1.0) are still trained on that old fashioned (copy/paste) kind of feature that we dont realize that its a bug..;)) I had this with rev 2.0.1 a few times yesterday... But, honestly I have given up to report that kind of bugs... regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter Learn easy with trainingsmaps© INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria ... http://www.internettrainer.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418, Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: A call for calm and a tip of the hat to the Rev team..thanks!
On Samstag, Aug 2, 2003, at 12:15 Europe/Vienna, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As often happens in the real world, the "engineer" expects the "user" to be able to do what is needed without instructions, because, "it's obvious". unfortunately a daily experience... regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter Learn easy with trainingsmaps© INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria ... http://www.internettrainer.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418, Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
[OT] UML Tools for developing Revolution projects
On Freitag, Aug 1, 2003, at 17:29 Europe/Vienna, Trevor DeVore wrote: On 8/1/03 Igor Couto wrote Also - what UML tools do you use? Most of the tools seem to be directed at generating object-oriented code, rather than diagramming. They all seem to be cluttered with programming features, and have *very* poor interface and diagramming features. The only *reasonable* diagramming Maybe I can help if you you tell me whats UML? What kind of lines do you need? I v worked more than ten years with Inspiration and now also with Omnigraffle but Im not so familar with it like with Inspiration dooing Diagramms. for me it seems not a problem to connect lines... regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter Learn easy with trainingsmaps© INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria ... http://www.internettrainer.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418, Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Fix to distribution builder available
On Freitag, Aug 1, 2003, at 06:29 Europe/Vienna, Chipp Walters wrote: Great Video. Not being a Mac person, something like this really helps if/when I decide to port to Mac. Someone mentioned a Shell script which did all of this? Couldn't someone build a RR stack which allowed you to fill in some fields and automatically run the shell script? Seems like a great plugin. Yes, that s a great idea. Because thats exactly the direction where my t-maps will go in the future. On one hand the integration of such videos (swf files) in a Mindmap struktur to explain and show content more detailled. On the other hand, I m designing that kind of buttons which does exactly that what you have described above. I call that mefm© button. (mefm=german: mach es für mich=make it for me). thanks Chipp for you input, I think, if not only me here like this kind of visuial thinking mindmapping and t-mapping, then rev will become once the best tools to develop that Multimedia programs. Hopefully rev will running flash files as soon as possible without QT;) Only an idea brainstormed at the moment..: Dan´s great forthcoming (I hate this word;) rev books, which is so clear and easy understandable written, could be the outliner for my t-maps. Yes, Dan, its to early now, but I will you contact offline later on, when I am a bit more advanced in my concept doing this... I hope you will like it. But first I m waiting for your whole book... regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter Learn easy with trainingsmaps© INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria ... http://www.internettrainer.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418, Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] UML Tools for developing Revolution projects
On Samstag, Aug 2, 2003, at 01:00 Europe/Vienna, Richard Gaskin wrote: Omnigraffle rocks. I don't use UML for RR projects. I've tried to use the UML palette for SQL projects. Although it has a UML palette, you are right about getting out-of-whack: and it's a real pain to always have to add a magnet to each attribute or operation you want to link to. Could such a tool be made for Rev using Rev itself? I would buy it tomorrow, or better tomorrow and 2 years, because that seems the minimum time for you and some other great scripters, to make such a great tool like OG (At Omni there are about 25 persons if on the most important product (OG) are working only 30% of the staff than it must be at least 6-8 persons... We had this kind of threat once or twice, do you remember Richard?, but not Omnigraffle, it was iShell. Did you try to write iShell..(maybe iShell light) in rev..? I would buy this also tomorrow (if its rock solid like iShell...) NO matter which of them, OG or iShell based on the MC engine, will be the authoring killer-app of the century..;) But until now, I m feeling like a Pavlow dog... - only hearing the bells but no food at all..;) my 2 cents regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter Learn easy with trainingsmaps© INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria ... http://www.internettrainer.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418, Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Fix to distribution builder available
On Donnerstag, Jul 31, 2003, at 18:20 Europe/Vienna, Mark Talluto wrote: Here is a video I created that shows what you need to do. I have found that version 2.0.1 of Rev does not correctly write the plst with your information. So I edit it myself. I then save the file for later use with later builds of my app. I have one for each app. Thanks Mark, that video seems a big help...! regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter Learn easy with trainingsmaps© INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria ... http://www.internettrainer.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418, Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Fix to distribution builder available
On Donnerstag, Jul 31, 2003, at 17:50 Europe/Vienna, Alex Rice wrote: Well do you want to get the job done, or nurse old wounds? ;-) It requires no Unix expertise. This really falls into the packaging and distribution realm, which you are responsible for anyways. But re: your screenshot above, maybe I don't understand what the problem is and you should file a bugzilla report. If that's the case then I apologize for jumping to conclusions. However, I still think that everyone distributing software for OS X needs to learn about application bundles on OS X. I think thats a missunderstandig now... rev did the build correct the standalone(engine) and the others stacks in the data folder: * correct in OS9 * correct in WIN * correct in Linux * wrong in OSX (I thin Linux is not so far way from bsd Unix, but its more far away from OS 9 or WIN and both are build correct; please correct me if I m wrong...) and rev 2.0 did this build correct in OSX too... that is what you can see on the other screenshot... So this has imho nothing to do with packaging and distribution process in OSX, which will start after that. Its a bug in the new (updated) distribution builder. An all the other features of the distribution builder like icons did work in older releases. Why does all that no work in the "fixed distribution builder"? regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter Learn easy with trainingsmaps© INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria ... http://www.internettrainer.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418, Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Fix to distribution builder available
Sarah, Alex On Donnerstag, Jul 31, 2003, at 05:28 Europe/Vienna, Alex Rice wrote: On Wednesday, July 30, 2003, at 08:54 PM, Sarah wrote: Hi Wolfgang, I had a look at your screen shots and it seemed that you may not have gone deep enough into the OS X package contents. Did you check in all the sub-folders of the package to see if your sub-stacks where hidden further down the hierarchy? I agree that's what it looks like. Wolfgang- I build apps on OS X and distribute them to coworkers for testing. No problem. I've been doing it since Rev 1.1.1. FOA thank for your help... But, imho that cant be the problem, because its builded fine for the not so intuitiv Linux. I have no idea about that OS...? Do I really have to go deep into OSX/unix to build a distribution with rev..? Does this help me to save the problem with the coyright and the icons which are lost or not installed? But the most important point is, that it worked fine, like expected, with rev 2.0... http://www.internettrainer.com/9files/revolution/OSX_2.0.png I humbly suggest: the problem may be that you haven't learned enough about app bundles on OS X. I recommend for everyone building on OS X to learn the layout of application bundles on OS X. It is in your control using just the Finder and a text editor! Therefore it should not prevent you from building OS X apps and distributing them in an application bundle that meets your exact requirements. Maybe you are right, but do I have to do this to work with rev? I m very, very patient... but once, after years of waiting I would like to have a tool which does one of his main features, without forcing me to graduate in Unix...;) Here is a shell script I use to create my custom app bundle after the RR IDE finishes it's build. Note that everything in the script could be done with the Finder by hand instead. One step that is not shown in the shell script is editing the XML file build/NPSFacCalc/FacilityCalculator.app/Info.plist. It can be edited with a text editor or with the Apple Property List Editor (in dev tools). The Info.plist is what contains the get-info and version information for the app. Hope this helps --Alex Thanks a lot for that, i m not familiar with that, but I ll have a look at it. Finally why I have bought rev and not MC some years ago... - the easier UI it was... - was it that..? regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter Learn easy with trainingsmaps© INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria ... http://www.internettrainer.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418, Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Universal GUI (was Re: HIG...)
On Dienstag, Jul 29, 2003, at 03:08 Europe/Vienna, curry wrote: I still prefer Mac to Windows, but it's become relative in every aspect--consistency, productivity, appearance, enjoyment, ethics. Every day its becoming more a question of ethics... regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter Learn easy with trainingsmaps© INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria ... http://www.internettrainer.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418, Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Universal GUI
On Montag, Jul 28, 2003, at 22:29 Europe/Vienna, Ray G. Miller wrote: In MetaCard, a checkbox becomes "unchecked" when it is disabled. Is this true in Rev? Having to search thru three tabs to find the "Lock Location" checkbox is not productive. Isn't that Fisk's Law? I would call that a real "design bug", and therefore I hope that --and some of his brothers-- will be "fixed" soon...;) regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter Learn easy with trainingsmaps© INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria ... http://www.internettrainer.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418, Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: RTF and Unicode
Hallo Toma, On Wednesday, Jul 23, 2003, at 09:29 Europe/Vienna, Toma Tasovac wrote: of course. bugzilla is my new best friend... :) wie hast du es denn geschafft dieses Urvieh zu deinem besten freund zu machen. Oder ist es nur die Menge der bugs..;) Ich hätte auch eine menge bugs zu reporten aber ich kann das ding (UI) einfach nicht bedienen... Irgendwelche tips wie ich dieses biest in den griff bekomme ohne stunden damit zu verschwenden...? danke im voraus... regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter Learn easy with trainingsmaps© INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria ... http://www.internettrainer.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418, Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: strange X build
Hi Thierry On Saturday, Jul 19, 2003, at 13:08 Europe/Vienna, Thierry Arbellot wrote: Have you taken a look inside the package contents ? There is a MacOs folder that contains a data folder with all substacks inside. I dont understand what you mean with "package"? I have made builds with rev for different systems. All are equal. The splash sreen is the clickable file and the other stacks are in the data folder (as I have defined in the build). Only th OSX data folder is empty. regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter Learn easy with trainingsmaps© INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria ... http://www.internettrainer.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418, Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
strange X build
Hello list I have builded on OSX (10.2.6) a distribution for OSX, OS9, WIN and Linux. The OSX build has a very strange "appearance". There is no stack in the data folder. All are in the splash screen. All other builds are correct and working fine. Seems the OSX works fine too..? Any ideas what this can be...? Thanks for help in advance regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter Learn easy with trainingsmaps© INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria ... http://www.internettrainer.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418, Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev 2.02/New pricing
On Friday, Jul 18, 2003, at 17:08 Europe/Vienna, Vikram Singh wrote: Why dont you revert to the old policy? Show confidence that the product will sell at a decent price. Name your price. It is a premium product. So say it. It is pretty jazzed up now. And for the 'hobbyist' she/he always has the option of the free version. Do 75 dollars 'hobbyists' exist, maybe somewhere. Eliminate this option altogether, IMHO. Or eliminate the screen. Or raise the price, closer to the Studio price. Regards Vikram = Original Message From Geoff Canyon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> = Anyone who doesn't want the exit screen has merely to purchase the Studio or Enterprise license, neither of which includes it. The exit screen is part of the bargain when you get Revolution for (currently) $75. Agree with Vikram!! Geoff, dont forget that this $75 bargain is over before the the 30 day trial period. And then you have to pay the full price for watching the Sony Logo all the time... regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter Learn easy with trainingsmaps© INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria ... http://www.internettrainer.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418, Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: RTFText, HTMLText, and Formatted Content in RR
On Friday, Jul 18, 2003, at 16:45 Europe/Vienna, Dan Shafer wrote: I don't quite know what you mean abou tsetting the textfield to RTF *before* you paste the text. Do you "set the rtfText of field 1 to 'a'" or some such thing? I think the rtfText of a field can only be set by supplying it with a string (which is generally something read from a file, I think). Or am I missing something? I I do it with this script in the Message Box (hehe, its the first time a used that "animal") How and why this exactly works I dont know, maybe one of the scripting Gurus can help out... Here is the great posting from Vikram, with which I learned to do that. RTF vs HTML Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I can't talk of the benefits of exporting rtf as files, but if you are copy-pasting from other apps this may interest you: Copy a portion of a webpage. In the message box type: set the rtftext of fld 1 to clipboarddata["rtf"] And viceversa, paste into Word after copying the rtftext of a field: set the clipboarddata["rtf"] to the rtftext of fld 1 etc.. Rgds, Vikram - copy the rtf (exported) text (from any fileformat you have) to the clipboard select any textfield in rev -- to the message box: set the rtftext of fld 1 to clipboarddata["rtf"] Enter And the formated text is in the textfield Select "basic properties" in the property palette if it is open after pasting you can select "contents" to make some fine tuning...) dont select content before pasting, that does not work here... means all is in the textfield, but does not appear in the content of the palette Why?? -- One of this thousand rev miracles..? Hope that helps, if not pls tell me. regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter Learn easy with trainingsmaps© INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria ... http://www.internettrainer.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418, Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev 2.02/New pricing (The novel)
On Friday, Jul 18, 2003, at 16:35 Europe/Vienna, curry wrote: -- I hope that *illustrates* some of the points that have been made. :-) -- ILLUSTRATES PERFECTLY regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter Learn easy with trainingsmaps© INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria ... http://www.internettrainer.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418, Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev 2.02/New pricing
On Thursday, Jul 17, 2003, at 03:37 Europe/Vienna, Howard Bornstein wrote: Call me silly, but I always hoped we'd here about this stuff first on this list, rather than seeing it on the web site. Its imho NOT silly... regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter Learn easy with trainingsmaps© INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria ... http://www.internettrainer.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418, Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev 2.02/New pricing
hi miscdas On Friday, Jul 18, 2003, at 13:30 Europe/Vienna, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah, but now we switch the subject from hobbyist to the general "anyone". I couldn't agree more in that case. I know several "designers" that want to do multimedia apps, and state emphatically that they are not programmers (and don't want to be). Express would be good for them to make an evaluation. Thats the point... I think that potential is very underestimated here... MM developer dont want to become Hardcore Coder. And I think its not a good idea to treat them as poor programmers... Imho its better to try to bring them to rev... If this new more complicated license/pricing system which is the right way to do that...? regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter Learn easy with trainingsmaps© INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria ... http://www.internettrainer.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418, Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev 2.02/New pricing
On Friday, Jul 18, 2003, at 11:13 Europe/Vienna, Geoff Canyon wrote: You wouldn't have to circumvent anything -- just purchase Studio and poof, no closing screen. I disagree that a closing screen is a "proven bad idea." It seemed to serve Macromedia pretty well for over half a decade. The communism seemed to serve Russia pretty well for over half century. Sometimes anything looks well, because there is no alternative... Now there are a lot of alternatives and nearly every day is coming another one, esp. from the point of view if MM development, which should still be the main focus - imho. Because its more difficult to struggle in the hardcore scripting market against M$´s .net or Sun Java. In the MM market is easier to get this 5% of the this MM market, because there is not such a domination like M$ or SUN. I did a job like this in my "former" life. I pushed olivetti PC´s maketshare from "not registered" to the second place behind IBM with 12% marketshare in the eighties here in Austria. I think I know a bit what I m talkin about... The way of doing the business is always the same, only the actors are changing... Ahhh... whats the file limit of the list here, before I begin to write the list...?;) regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter Learn easy with trainingsmaps© INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria ... http://www.internettrainer.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418, Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev 2.02/New pricing
Hi Dan, On Friday, Jul 18, 2003, at 08:30 Europe/Vienna, Dan Shafer wrote: I'm just raising my hand here in support of Chipp's note about the splash screen. My company had a similar experience; we'd actually done some of the early demos for Director under contract to Macromedia and were building a decent business as Director developers. But our clients indicated they didn't want *their* customers (or competitors) to know what tool(s) they used and they insisted that we either circumvent the Director splash screen or switch tools. We switched tools. I am absolutely all in favor of RR getting as much exposure and publicity for the tool as possible because we all ultimately benefit from that. But this splash screen is a proven bad idea which I really hope RR reconsiders. Thanks for that point and also for the book you are working on. I have seen it on revjournal and was very, very IMPRESSED! Thats "the book" what we -NON-Hardcore scripter- are waiting for since years..! regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter Learn easy with trainingsmaps© INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria ... http://www.internettrainer.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418, Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: RTFText, HTMLText, and Formatted Content in RR
On Friday, Jul 18, 2003, at 03:25 Europe/Vienna, Dan Shafer wrote: RTFText supports a tiny subset of the RTF file format. The docs list the formatting controls in RTF that are supported by RR. Out of something like 1300 control words in the RTF spec, RR supports approximately 30. The support is so thin that even a fairly simple book chapter -- which includes things like bulleted lists, code samples, and four-level headings, renders quite poorly and unusably. I have the same rtf problem since the beginning. Write and format in one tool and transfer all that without loosing the formating to other tools. Thats very important for writing or working with a lot of text, translations and so on. I have struggled a lot for the rtf feature in rev... Now we have it at least!!! I know its not perfect, but again we have it...;) The biggest problem is -as always- M$. But there is ( I dont know) no other way to deal with formated text between OSes. What I do is: I write in Mellel OSX only). It does good rtf import also, but I have not imported Word rtf files until now. I write in it I select the text copy it to the clipboard set the rev textfield to rtf and paste it to the rev textfield. That works fine. Yes you have to do a bit of fine tuning with tabulators, but not the whole slave formatting job again and again. Nearly 95% of the formatting is correct here... (Dont know what happens if the text is very big, I paste only small parts to the rev textfields up to 3 pages) Maybe there is a way for XML I dont know how this works... The future could be pdf import..? Hope that helps regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter Learn easy with trainingsmaps© INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria ... http://www.internettrainer.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418, Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev 2.02/New pricing
On Friday, Jul 18, 2003, at 08:15 Europe/Vienna, Richard Gaskin wrote: Agreed, but we're not talking about the perceptions of developers. We're talking about end-users. Are you suggesting the splash screen include the something like, "This unprofessional-looking splash screen is not present in applications made with the Studio or Enterprise versions of Revlution"? ;) Ahhh Hyperstudio..? regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter Learn easy with trainingsmaps© INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria ... http://www.internettrainer.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418, Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev 2.02/New pricing
Hi Geoff, On Friday, Jul 18, 2003, at 08:05 Europe/Vienna, Geoff Canyon wrote: One way that occurs to me to deal with any objections would be to simply respond, "Those applications were built with Revolution Express. I work with Revolution Studio. There's a world of > difference." You are expecting to much from the average costumer (client). He does not see the difference of Express odr Studio. He does, if he does, realize made+revolution - Not more... I ofter fin myself not looking closer to a utility which offer a system near features if I see made on RB, maybe thats not fair, but it is ... Therefore thats a big danger for the whole product. You get a bad reputation very fast, but its difficult and expensive to loose it again... regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter Learn easy with trainingsmaps© INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria ... http://www.internettrainer.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418, Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev 2.02/New pricing
On Friday, Jul 18, 2003, at 06:02 Europe/Vienna, Richard Gaskin wrote: I had no opinion about the splash screen until I read his post. Now I must add my voice to those who think it's not in the best interests of the product or the company. Vive la Révolution! Assuming in this case you mean Evolution...;) regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter Learn easy with trainingsmaps© INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria ... http://www.internettrainer.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418, Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
