from:"mike"

I don't think you can direct where the button goes, the dictionary says:
 Summary: Creates a new object on the current card.
I believe you can get around this by placing a group on your card. Perhaps
with an invisible background, sized to window size.  At this point you can:
create button Fred in group Testing card One stack Test

On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 6:22 PM, Bill Vlahos bvla...@mac.com wrote:

 Make a new stack called Test and label the card One.

 Put a button on the card with the following script:
 on mouseUp
   create button Fred in card One of stack Test
 end mouseUp

 The compiler doesn't complain but when I click the button I get this error:
 button Button: execution error at line 2 (create: error in bad parent or
 background expression), char 1

 The following script works:
 on mouseUp
   put the defaultStack into vName -- note whatever the defaultStack is
   set the defaultStack to Test
   go to card One
   create button Fred
   set the defaultStack to vName -- reset the defaultStack to what it was
 before
 end mouseUp

 Is there a way to directly create a button on a particular card in a
 particular stack without going to it and doing all this? The stack I want to
 create the button into is data stack that never gets viewed directly. In
 this case it will be data in the custom property of that button.

 Thanks,
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Re: Can we set the color of an Apps title bar?

I assume you mean other than the title bar color change, and shading
difference (on os x at least).  If thats the case, look at suspendstack and
resumestack. Also possibly IconifyStack.

On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 6:47 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins pepe...@cox.net wrote:

 Anyone know if this can be done? I have an app that will have three stacks
 on the screen at the same time, and I'd like to have a neat way of showing
 which one is the active stack. I'm pretty sure I'm dreaming, but...

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Re: Can we set the color of an Apps title bar?

Nope, they can be on screen just fine.  To do a quick test, create a stack,
create a substack. In the main stack put:

on resumeStack
   set the backgroundcolor of this card to red
   pass resumestack
end resumeStack

on suspendStack
   set the backgroundColor of this card to empty
   pass suspendstack
end suspendStack


Then click back and forth. Whichever stack you have at front will turn red.
If you choose a different program entirely, both will turn white. The
exception to this, I think do to the way the IDE works is that if you select
an IDE stack (for example the script editor) then start clicking back adn
forth, its possible to get both stacks red untill things sort themselves
out. This shouldn't occur in a standalone.

Obviously making the whole stack red might be a little garish, but is a
quick easy example so you can see how it works.
On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 7:14 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins pepe...@cox.net wrote:

 Thanks Mike. After checking your suggestions, I believe they all apply to
 stacks that will no longer be on the screen, rather than just being
 inactive. In my case, all three will be on the screen at the same time, so
 that the user can work with one, view the others sometimes and go back and
 forth when exchanging data.

 Joe Wilkins

 On Nov 14, 2010, at 5:54 PM, Mike Bonner wrote:

  I assume you mean other than the title bar color change, and shading
  difference (on os x at least).  If thats the case, look at suspendstack
 and
  resumestack. Also possibly IconifyStack.
 
  On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 6:47 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins pepe...@cox.net
 wrote:
 
  Anyone know if this can be done? I have an app that will have three
 stacks
  on the screen at the same time, and I'd like to have a neat way of
 showing
  which one is the active stack. I'm pretty sure I'm dreaming, but...
 
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Re: Can we set the color of an Apps title bar?

Yeah, don't believe you can set the title bar directly, its set by OS, but
if you were willing to roll your own then you could, or something simple
like a home made focus border that changes based on suspendstack and
resumestack would work. Unfortunately, pretty sure you can't affect the
stock title bar.  There is a change of color on my system, but its too
subtle for my eyes to pick up easily. Gray, and slightly lighter gray, are
all.. erm. Gray. To me.


On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 9:43 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins pepe...@cox.net wrote:

 OK, Mike. I'll give it a try, but I was only trying to make the title bars
 different colors.

 Thanks,

 Joe Wilkins

 On Nov 14, 2010, at 8:14 PM, Mike Bonner wrote:

  Nope, they can be on screen just fine.  To do a quick test, create a
 stack,
  create a substack. In the main stack put:
 
  on resumeStack
set the backgroundcolor of this card to red
pass resumestack
  end resumeStack
 
  on suspendStack
set the backgroundColor of this card to empty
pass suspendstack
  end suspendStack
 
 
  Then click back and forth. Whichever stack you have at front will turn
 red.
  If you choose a different program entirely, both will turn white. The
  exception to this, I think do to the way the IDE works is that if you
 select
  an IDE stack (for example the script editor) then start clicking back adn
  forth, its possible to get both stacks red untill things sort themselves
  out. This shouldn't occur in a standalone.
 
  Obviously making the whole stack red might be a little garish, but is a
  quick easy example so you can see how it works.
  On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 7:14 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins pepe...@cox.net
 wrote:
 
  Thanks Mike. After checking your suggestions, I believe they all apply
 to
  stacks that will no longer be on the screen, rather than just being
  inactive. In my case, all three will be on the screen at the same time,
 so
  that the user can work with one, view the others sometimes and go back
 and
  forth when exchanging data.
 
  Joe Wilkins
 
  On Nov 14, 2010, at 5:54 PM, Mike Bonner wrote:
 
  I assume you mean other than the title bar color change, and shading
  difference (on os x at least).  If thats the case, look at suspendstack
  and
  resumestack. Also possibly IconifyStack.
 
  On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 6:47 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins pepe...@cox.net
  wrote:
 
  Anyone know if this can be done? I have an app that will have three
  stacks
  on the screen at the same time, and I'd like to have a neat way of
  showing
  which one is the active stack. I'm pretty sure I'm dreaming, but...
 
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iOS DB?

2010-11-12 Thread Mike Kerner

For the rest of you that are starting to try to develop iOS apps, are you
trying to use the mySQL dbms that I believe is built in to ios?
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Re: iOS DB?

2010-11-12 Thread Mike Kerner

That is of course what I meant, but I didn't know if LC could use it or not
since we have an SQL engine in LC
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Preference Storage on iOS

2010-11-11 Thread Mike Kerner

How is anybody else storing preferences with their stacks for their iOS
projects?  For example, I want to store usernames and passwords for websites
that my project is going to access, but those will vary from user to user.
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Re: [OT] legality of DVD backup

2010-11-09 Thread Mike Bonner

Runtime is what happens when the Revolution is going badly. As in Uh oh,
its runtime!

Define: runtime;  To advance to the rear.

On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Bob Sneidar b...@twft.com wrote:

 Frankly, I think any revolution whose founding principle and main goal is
 to run time is both absurd and egomaniacal. So you conquer the whole
 world! So what?? You are no closer to running time than you were before
 you started! The cheek! And another thing, if someone is going to start a
 revolution, for heaven's sake get your grammar correct. It should be
 control time or alter time. Run time makes them sound like a bunch of
 6th grade ninnyhammers. I mean really... wha.. what's that? OH! Runtime!

 NEVER MIND!

 Bob


 On Nov 9, 2010, at 10:58 AM, Richmond wrote:

  So, far from being a Runtime 'Revolutionary', I am best described as a
 Runtime 'Counter Revolutionary'
  as I want ALL these things back; especially the King!
 
  I, ALSO, want LiveCode to resume being called Runtime Revolution;
 dead South American Commies
  or not.

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Re: Hello World iOS Sample App

2010-11-08 Thread Mike Kerner

J - Yes, the provisioning is in place.  When I had a provisioning issue
initially, LC wouldn't even build the app.

B - No, I just created a button and typed the code.  As you noted, it works
fine in the simulator.


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Re: Hello World iOS Sample App

2010-11-08 Thread Mike Kerner

Interesting tidbit - I also just tried this from scratch again.  This time,
when I copy the app from my desktop to the ipod using xcode, I get a message
in xcode under the software version.  It says XCode cannot find the
software image to install this version.

The app installs, but it still quits immediately after launch.
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Hello World iOS Sample App

2010-11-07 Thread Mike Kerner

I have finally started to tinker around with the pre-alpha.  I built the
Hello World app.  It runs fine in the simulator, but after transferring it
to my Touch I can get it to start, but it immediately quits.

Anybody else run into this?

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Re: delete chunk.

Actually, I think that's exactly the problem.  a,b,,, has 4 items.  The
trailing , is ignored.  a,b,,,e has 5 items.  putting a space, or some
type of invisible char after the trailing , makes it 5 items.  It drives me
nuts, if the comma is there it should designate a null item whether its in
the middle or at the end.

On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 7:43 AM, dunb...@aol.com wrote:

 This seems perfectly intuitive to me.

 When you delete an item, you are doing something entirely different than
 just manipulating the contents of an item. In one case you reduce the
 number
 of items. In the other you merely insert, or remove, data from them.For
 example, a,b,,, has five items. Putting empty, or anything, into item 4,
 say,
 makes sense, and we have not changed the number of itms at all.

 I think it all may just be a misperception, having to do with the last item
 being perceived differently from an interior item. I'll bet this thread
 would not have started if the process had been:

 delete item 3 of a,b,,,
 put empty into item 3 of a,b,,,

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Re: delete chunk.

Yep, a delimiter should be a delimiter even if it delimits null.

On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 8:32 AM, Jonathan Lynch jonathandly...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hi Alex,

 I am starting to agree with you that some of this becomes counterintuitive.
 Not hard to work around, but potentially confusing to a newcomer.

 I am in the habit of fastidiously making sure that my lists do not have a
 trailing delimiter, so I have not been plagued by this too much.

 a,b,,, should say that it contains five items (two characters and three
 empty items). If it does not, that is confusing.

 On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 10:25 AM, Alex Tweedly a...@tweedly.net wrote:

  I agree it would be great to be able to say
set the payAttentionToTrailingDelimiters to true
 
  But in the meantime you can use the fact that doubling a trailing
 delimiter
  will be ignored.
  repeat for each line L in tData
if the last item of (L  the itemDel) is empty then
   -- deal with an empty one
else
   -- use the last item of L which is not empty
end if
 
  -- Alex.
 
 
  On 03/11/2010 12:52, Ken Ray wrote:
 
  Just tossing this out there, but I *love* this behavior. I'm sure there
  are
  situations where it's undesirable, but are easily compensated for by
 just
  adding another delimiter.
 
  Begin able to do the following is very handy and makes the code clean:
 
  put foo  cr after fld x
  put bar  cr after fld x
  put the number of lines of fld x
 
  Having that return 2 is extremely convenient.
 
  Agreed, but sometimes it's not convenient when you want to get the last
  item of a line; for example, if you have a container that holds columns
  for
  First Name (tab) Last Name (tab) Notes, and some lines have a note and
  some
  don't, you can't just set the itemDelimiter to tab and run through the
  container and get the last item or item -1 of the line to check if
 the
  person entered a note; if they didn't provide one, then check the last
  item will give you their Last Name instead.
 
  It would be great if there was a global setting that you could toggle it
  on
  in these circumstances, something like:
 
  put item -1 of Ken,Ray,
  ==  returns Ray
 
  set the dontIgnoreTrailingDelimiter to true
  put item -1 of Ken,Ray,
  ==  returns 
 
  :-)
 
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Re: delete chunk.

In my opinion?  it SHOULD say 3.  2 lines with stuff, and 1 blank. Of course
it says 2, but this is the same reason people delete the last char of..
when doing things.  If you fill a field with this  cr  that  cr, and
then click at the bottom of the field, your cursor goes to the blank line
underneath the 2 lines with text. The line exists, it should be counted.
Looking at it the other way, if you put fred into line 1 of field 1, put
mike into line 2 of field 1, the cr is added between the 2 automatically,
but there is no extra trailing line.  There are 2 lines.

Having text for line 1  cr empty for line 2  cr text for line 3, at that
point, line 2 looks and acts exactly like line 2 would look and behave if
there were no line 3. You can click in it, type in it, it acts like a line.
And is counted as a line like it should be.  If however it is a trailing
empty line it is not counted.  It's the same exact thing. A cr followed by
empty.  Simply adding another line after it shouldn't make it magically
appear as a line. either it is or it isn't, at least so it seems to me.

Having said all this, there is most likely a reason it is the way it is that
I don't have enough knowledge to understand.  As with removing trailing
carriage returns, if it's a null item it isn't difficult to work around and
i'm not sure I can come up with a valid reason for actually having an empty
item, but that doesn't mean there isn't a use for it.  /shrug

As a last visual example, I have several spice bottles in my kitchen, some
of which are empty.  If I re-arrange them so that an empty one is on the end
of the row it doesn't cease to exist, and it doesn't pop back in to being
because i put it between 2 spice bottles that DO have contents.


On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 9:20 AM, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.comwrote:

 On 11/3/10 9:00 AM, Mike Bonner wrote:

 Actually, I think that's exactly the problem.  a,b,,, has 4 items.  The
 trailing , is ignored.  a,b,,,e has 5 items.  putting a space, or some
 type of invisible char after the trailing , makes it 5 items.  It drives
 me
 nuts, if the comma is there it should designate a null item whether its in
 the middle or at the end.


 Okay, then how many lines should be in:

 acr
 bcr

 ?

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Re: delete chunk.

It helps if I think of it that way but in the case of empty items in the
middle of a line it doesn't behave that way. Still terminates nothing, but
is counted as an item.

Despite all the conversation, I've never really run into it as a problem
except when I was playing with merge one day.  Had a string like
[[item1]],[[item2]],[[item3]] and would merge it, and was lost when some
of my items were empty, and the number of items would return different
values based on which item was empty.  Real confusing for a newbie when you
can do if item 2 is empty then.. but not if the last item is empty when
you expect there to be 3 items. The way it works currently, you can never
check to see if the last item is empty because it never can be.  If it is,
it will check the next one to the left instead.

I just changed how I do things so it's not a big deal.  I got curious one
day and did some tests.  Building a long list (multi row/column) by looping
and using put something into item # line # of tListImMaking was
horrendously slow when compared to put whateveritemsyouneedonthisline 
return after tListImMaking, and then truncating the last return, so that
eliminated a percentage of the things I was attempting and shoved me down
different roads.

On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 11:33 AM, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.comwrote:

 On 11/3/10 10:41 AM, Mike Bonner wrote:

  Having said all this, there is most likely a reason it is the way it is
 that
 I don't have enough knowledge to understand.  As with removing trailing
 carriage returns, if it's a null item it isn't difficult to work around
 and
 i'm not sure I can come up with a valid reason for actually having an
 empty
 item, but that doesn't mean there isn't a use for it.  /shrug


 It may be the difference between seeing the delimiter as a terminating
 character or as a dividing character. If you consider the comma or return as
 a terminator, then it is attached to the preceding string. If that entry
 is empty, there is nothing to terminate and the engine removes it.


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Re: delete chunk.

Hmm. I get your point, and now I think I have a little bit of gray leaking
out my left ear.  If you look at it as if the delimiter is both an
instigator AND a terminator, then if you have a var with , in it, it seems
like it should be 2 empty (and pointless) items. I had been thinking that it
could be considered an instigator only with an assumed delimiter before the
first item, but then as you say, empty isn't empty, empty would be 1 empty
item.

This also explains why I will never ever write my own intepreter/compiler.
Too many things I will never understand well enough. Love trying to get my
head around things, failure to do so can be as educational as success if not
more so.

On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 11:56 AM, Jonathan Lynch jonathandly...@gmail.comwrote:

 So think about this.

 If we only regard the delimiter as a delimiter between items (rather than a
 terminator), then how would we have a container with zero items?

 I mean, if 1 delimiter indicates the presence of two items, then zero
 delimiters would indicate one item.

 would an empty container have zero items, or one item that is empty?

 On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 1:33 PM, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.com
 wrote:

  On 11/3/10 10:41 AM, Mike Bonner wrote:
 
  Having said all this, there is most likely a reason it is the way it is
  that
  I don't have enough knowledge to understand.  As with removing trailing
  carriage returns, if it's a null item it isn't difficult to work around
  and
  i'm not sure I can come up with a valid reason for actually having an
  empty
  item, but that doesn't mean there isn't a use for it.  /shrug
 
 
  It may be the difference between seeing the delimiter as a terminating
  character or as a dividing character. If you consider the comma or return
 as
  a terminator, then it is attached to the preceding string. If that
 entry
  is empty, there is nothing to terminate and the engine removes it.
 
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Re: Path and File Questions for On-Rev

if you set the defaultfolder to the defaultFolder  /myFolder
and then put the files you should be good to go.

delete file takes a path as argument so if you don't want to set the default
folder for that you can specify a relative (based on current default folder)
or absolute path
delete file pathtofolder/filetodelete
and the result will contain a fail message if the file was not found.

On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 12:59 PM, Gregory Lypny
gregory.ly...@videotron.cawrote:

 Hi everyone,

 How can I get a simple listing of files in a subfolder named, say, myFolder
 in my public_html directory at On-rev?

 If I run

put the files

 I get the list of files in public_html.  Does files() accept a path as a
 parameter?  Haven't being able to get it to work.  Likewise, how can I
 delete files in a subfolder using irev scripts?

 I think my problem is that I'm not specifying paths on the server
 correctly.

 Regards,

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Re: Building array from list

Can also do it as follows:

   repeat for each line tLine in field 1
  put the number of items in tdataA[(item 2 of tLine)] + 1 into tItemNum
  put item 1 of tLine into item tItemNum of tDataA[(item 2 of tLine)]
   end repeat

Can most likely combine the 2 lines of the repeat into a 1 liner, but
this way works fine.

On 11/1/10, Gregory Lypny gregory.ly...@videotron.ca wrote:
 Hello William,

 This will give you an array with four keys corresponding to [1] fruit, [2]
 dances, [3] colours, and [4] animals.

 repeat for each line thisLine in theList
 put the first item of thisLine  comma after myArray[the second item of
 thisLine]
 end repeat

 The contents of each has a trailing comma, which can be removed by following
 with

 repeat for each key thisKey in myArray
 if the last character of myArray[thisKey] is comma \
 then delete the last character of myArray[thisKey]
 end repeat


 Regards,

 Gregory


 On Mon, Nov 1, 2010, at 8:15 AM, use-revolution-requ...@lists.runrev.com
 wrote:

 I was wondering. If you have a list:

 apple,1
 orange,1
 grapefruit,1
 tango,2
 blue,3
 green,3
 yellow,3
 zebra,9

 And you want to convert it into an array:

 (apple,orange,grapefruit[1])
 (tango[2])
 (blue,green,yellow[3])
 (zebra,[9])

 What would be the easiest way. I'm always a little confused by arrays but
 it
 seems to me this should be a very simple and fast conversion. The array is
 intentionally a string apple,orange,grapefruit that results from key [1]

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Re: Building array from list

Oh, might want to set the array to empty prior to the repeat so you
avoid duplicates if you run the conversion more than once.

On 11/1/10, Mike Bonner bonnm...@gmail.com wrote:
 Can also do it as follows:

repeat for each line tLine in field 1
   put the number of items in tdataA[(item 2 of tLine)] + 1 into
 tItemNum
   put item 1 of tLine into item tItemNum of tDataA[(item 2 of tLine)]
end repeat

 Can most likely combine the 2 lines of the repeat into a 1 liner, but
 this way works fine.

 On 11/1/10, Gregory Lypny gregory.ly...@videotron.ca wrote:
 Hello William,

 This will give you an array with four keys corresponding to [1] fruit,
 [2]
 dances, [3] colours, and [4] animals.

 repeat for each line thisLine in theList
 put the first item of thisLine  comma after myArray[the second item of
 thisLine]
 end repeat

 The contents of each has a trailing comma, which can be removed by
 following
 with

 repeat for each key thisKey in myArray
 if the last character of myArray[thisKey] is comma \
 then delete the last character of myArray[thisKey]
 end repeat


 Regards,

 Gregory


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 wrote:

 I was wondering. If you have a list:

 apple,1
 orange,1
 grapefruit,1
 tango,2
 blue,3
 green,3
 yellow,3
 zebra,9

 And you want to convert it into an array:

 (apple,orange,grapefruit[1])
 (tango[2])
 (blue,green,yellow[3])
 (zebra,[9])

 What would be the easiest way. I'm always a little confused by arrays
 but
 it
 seems to me this should be a very simple and fast conversion. The array
 is
 intentionally a string apple,orange,grapefruit that results from key
 [1]

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Re: a weird thing about registration, Linux

My guess would be that it puts a dot file in your user account on
first run that manages prefs and registration info.  Since you don't
run it as root, no .file, same for all other users.  Still leaves it
as being a pain in the tookus to set it up as multiple users, but i'm
curious... It's been a while, but isn't there a skeleton directory
that holds default files to add when an account is created?  Did
livecode add one there? If not, and you copy your file there it should
solve the problem for new accounts, but unfortunately doesn't keep you
from having to beat already created accounts into submission manually
for now.

On 11/1/10, Peter Alcibiades palcibiades-fi...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
 Has anyone else had this?

 I installed and registered my 4.5 copy.  Works fine.  Now, I want to update
 the Slug's package.  It won't let me, most likely because its installed the
 app in /opt and as user I have no write privileges there.

 OK, no problem, become root with the root environment, fire up LC.  Asks me
 to register!

 Think, OK, maybe this is due to having the root environment, so just do su.
 Same thing.

 OK, maybe this is something to do with root or root privileges, so log out,
 log on as another account.  Same thing.

 This is weird.  The only point of installing in /opt as opposed to
 /home/user would be to let all accounts have access to the app in a multi
 account environment, but it seems in some way to be restricting use of the
 app to just one account?  Cannot be, surely?

 I can always do it manually, download the package, delete the existing plug
 in, so that's not a problem.  The problem is if registration is restricting
 to just one account on a machine.  To be clear, no-one else uses Rev on my
 machine, but for various reasons I do use multiple accounts on the same
 machine myself and can't see why I should have to register not only by
 machine, but by account.  Anyone else getting this?

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Re: a weird thing about registration, Linux

Oh, another thought.  If it WILL keep seperate preferences/settings
for each user, you can change where it points for your plugins, and
move it to a folder you Do have write permissions to, but then that
means every plugin change you would hve to update the plugin on all
installations.  Since it sounds like its only you, could point it to a
dir that users have a right to, or setup a specific group for livecode
user accounts and set group permissions on that.  That way I believe
all accounts could update plugins.  Hmm. In fact, you could setup 1
account with write privelages to a director, and setup a group or
world with read permissions so that you have only 1 account that can
trash your plugins folder, but all other accounts can read them.



On 11/1/10, Mike Bonner bonnm...@gmail.com wrote:
 My guess would be that it puts a dot file in your user account on
 first run that manages prefs and registration info.  Since you don't
 run it as root, no .file, same for all other users.  Still leaves it
 as being a pain in the tookus to set it up as multiple users, but i'm
 curious... It's been a while, but isn't there a skeleton directory
 that holds default files to add when an account is created?  Did
 livecode add one there? If not, and you copy your file there it should
 solve the problem for new accounts, but unfortunately doesn't keep you
 from having to beat already created accounts into submission manually
 for now.

 On 11/1/10, Peter Alcibiades palcibiades-fi...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
 Has anyone else had this?

 I installed and registered my 4.5 copy.  Works fine.  Now, I want to
 update
 the Slug's package.  It won't let me, most likely because its installed
 the
 app in /opt and as user I have no write privileges there.

 OK, no problem, become root with the root environment, fire up LC.  Asks
 me
 to register!

 Think, OK, maybe this is due to having the root environment, so just do
 su.
 Same thing.

 OK, maybe this is something to do with root or root privileges, so log
 out,
 log on as another account.  Same thing.

 This is weird.  The only point of installing in /opt as opposed to
 /home/user would be to let all accounts have access to the app in a multi
 account environment, but it seems in some way to be restricting use of
 the
 app to just one account?  Cannot be, surely?

 I can always do it manually, download the package, delete the existing
 plug
 in, so that's not a problem.  The problem is if registration is
 restricting
 to just one account on a machine.  To be clear, no-one else uses Rev on
 my
 machine, but for various reasons I do use multiple accounts on the same
 machine myself and can't see why I should have to register not only by
 machine, but by account.  Anyone else getting this?

 Peter
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Re: Keyboards

2010-11-01 Thread Mike Kerner

Final note on this thread before I put it down to the archives and posterity
for the next person looking for a kb.  I got a Das Keyboard Silent Ultimate
on Friday.

It's mechanical, but it eliminates the click portion of the sound that an
M style mechanical keyboard makes.  Instead you hear the riser sliding in
and out of the bushing, and the key bottoming out at the end.  It's still a
lot louder than a membrane keyboard.

Most of the mechanicals that I've checked out require 70g of force to
activate the key.  The Silent requires 50, so it's a lighter feel, if you
want that.

The Ultimate is so named because it has no labels on any of the keys, again
if you want that.

I love, love, love the feel.  I'm glad that I'm back on a mechanical.  I did
a lot of keyboarding since I've gotten it, and I'm really happy that I
bought it.
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Re: a weird thing about registration, Linux

Well now i'm curious.  If you su, then cd ~
then pwd, it doesn't switch you to the root home account?

I just setup dsl in a virtual machine and tried it, the home directory
changes to match root when su'd. not su -.  If nothing else, check
your system variables, for me, after su, my HOME variable is changed
to /root (thats where it is on DSL)

I wonder, if you set things up so you can sudo livecode can you then
update? I did a check on osx, if I do this.
sudo cd ~;pwd
it retains my home folder.  I don't have sudo configured on my virtual
machine so can't test there, but if it behaves the same then sudo
livecode should run it with elevated permissions allowing the update
to go forward.  I think.

On 11/1/10, zryip theSlug zryip.thes...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 3:26 PM, Peter Alcibiades
 palcibiades-fi...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
 Has anyone else had this?

 I installed and registered my 4.5 copy.  Works fine.  Now, I want to
 update
 the Slug's package.  It won't let me, most likely because its installed
 the
 app in /opt and as user I have no write privileges there.

 OK, no problem, become root with the root environment, fire up LC.  Asks
 me
 to register!

 Think, OK, maybe this is due to having the root environment, so just do
 su.
 Same thing.

 OK, maybe this is something to do with root or root privileges, so log
 out,
 log on as another account.  Same thing.

 This is weird.  The only point of installing in /opt as opposed to
 /home/user would be to let all accounts have access to the app in a multi
 account environment, but it seems in some way to be restricting use of the
 app to just one account?  Cannot be, surely?

 I can always do it manually, download the package, delete the existing
 plug
 in, so that's not a problem.  The problem is if registration is
 restricting
 to just one account on a machine.  To be clear, no-one else uses Rev on my
 machine, but for various reasons I do use multiple accounts on the same
 machine myself and can't see why I should have to register not only by
 machine, but by account.  Anyone else getting this?

 Peter

 Peter,

 I suppose that the solution I replied in the other thread will not
 working for multi-accounts.
 For a single user all seems working as expected. I have no problem
 with the LC license. I'm assuming the license is probably stored
 somewhere and linked to the account the application is opened.


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Re: a weird thing about registration, Linux

Working directory, and home directory are different things. It's
looking for the .Revolution file on the home directory, working
directory makes no difference, and as soon as you su, the home
directory is changed to roots home.

And yeah, not really an effective solution. For all user install, the
reg info should be kept seperate and used for all users, with only
individual user preferences stored in ~/.revolution. To make it
seemless rev needs to set up a default prefs file that is
automagically placed in the home directory, with registration intact,
or as I mentioned, seperate the registration out and have the home dir
only store preferences, not reg info.

On 11/1/10, Peter Alcibiades palcibiades-fi...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

pe...@:/opt/runrev/livecode-4.5$ ls
Documentation livecode.x86 Resources Runtime
Externals Pluginsrevpdfprinter.so Toolset
License Agreement.txt Release Notes.pdf revsecurity.so
pe...@:/opt/runrev/livecode-4.5$ ./livecode.x86
pe...@:/opt/runrev/livecode-4.5$ pwd
/opt/runrev/livecode-4.5
pe...@:/opt/runrev/livecode-4.5$ su
Password:
:/opt/runrev/livecode-4.5# pwd
/opt/runrev/livecode-4.5
:/opt/runrev/livecode-4.5# ./livecode.x86
:/opt/runrev/livecode-4.5#

So, if you do su the working directory remains the same. If you are in the
working directory without su, Rev starts. If you are in the same working
directory after having done su, it asks you to register.

Don't get it. The difference of course is that when it works, its
identifying the user:

pe...@:/opt/runrev/livecode-4.5$ ./livecode.x86

as opposed to in the other case, where the prompt is just

:/opt/runrev/livecode-4.5# ./livecode.x86

So the difference is, it is looking for the registration in a particular
user home folder? But in that case, why install in /opt? And why restrict
the use to one account on a multi account system? Makes no sense, no-one
else does it, do they?

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Re: a weird thing about registration, Linux

Try su -m
That leaves env vars the same, and should allow you to do your upgrade
since home is still home.

On 11/1/10, Mike Bonner bonnm...@gmail.com wrote:
Working directory, and home directory are different things. It's
looking for the .Revolution file on the home directory, working
directory makes no difference, and as soon as you su, the home
directory is changed to roots home.

On 11/1/10, Peter Alcibiades palcibiades-fi...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

So, if you do su the working directory remains the same. If you are in
the
working directory without su, Rev starts. If you are in the same working
directory after having done su, it asks you to register.

Don't get it. The difference of course is that when it works, its
identifying the user:

pe...@:/opt/runrev/livecode-4.5$ ./livecode.x86

as opposed to in the other case, where the prompt is just

:/opt/runrev/livecode-4.5# ./livecode.x86

So the difference is, it is looking for the registration in a particular
user home folder? But in that case, why install in /opt? And why
restrict
the use to one account on a multi account system? Makes no sense, no-one
else does it, do they?

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Re: a weird thing about registration, Linux

not sure why then.  /shrug If you copy the prefs to root does it still think
it needs to be registered when su'd?  Either way, think its time for a
bigger hammer.

On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 4:30 PM, Peter Alcibiades 
palcibiades-fi...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:


 Nope, same thing.  Also su -m -p, or su -p, also same thing.  Weird.
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Re: a weird thing about registration, Linux

Peter did it once, but.. well easier to read the whole thread.  He's coming
at things from a different angle than the initial install.

On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 4:51 PM, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.comwrote:

 On 11/1/10 5:34 PM, Mike Bonner wrote:

 not sure why then.  /shrug If you copy the prefs to root does it still
 think
 it needs to be registered when su'd?  Either way, think its time for a
 bigger hammer.


 Prefs don't store the licensing info, it's stored separately. I'm not sure
 where it's stored on Linux systems, but you (or rather Peter) can download
 the file from your user account and manually point to it during
 installation. Or easier, just be online during installation and the
 installer will look up your license. You should only have to do this once
 per installation.

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Re: [OT] Browsing the internet... It is safer from Linux?

2010-10-31 Thread Mike Bonner

Microsoft security essentials is the target of another spoof alert
attack, though I'm sure you got the real microsoft security essentials
from the microsoft site, I've had to fix this one for a friend,
recently in fact.

http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/virus-removal/remove-fake-microsoft-security-essentials-alert

While most of the time, it's obvious that it's a scan, but not always.
What is it the IRA statement to Margaret Thatcher said? (goes to
find it)

Today we were unlucky, but remember we only have to be lucky once.
You will have to be lucky always.

I see Virii in the same light, minus the bombs, blood and death.
Heck, I see spoof emails in the same light too. Send out 12 million
and you don't have to get many bites to make it worthwhile.

On 10/31/10, roger.e.el...@sealedair.com roger.e.el...@sealedair.com wrote:
Richmond wrote:
The first thing I do when I install Mac OS X on a machine is enable the
ROOT account; that is dead easy;
especially as the Mac OS HELP system tells you how to do it. Set up the
FIREWALL, SHARING and so on.

Windows, on the other hand, starts telling you to fork out extra moolah
for anti-virus stuff . . .

Incorrect, to a degree. It is in many cases the virus makers themselves
who infect Windows, and then use FAKE anti-virus messages that offer to
cleanse your machine for a fee. The average non-tech-savy user will pay
the ransom. However, the free-edition of AVG has protected my computers
for years. However, recently a Trojan slipped through, and I switched to
Microsoft Security Essentials (also free), on the recommendations of
several trusted colleagues. It isn't Windows that is bad, it is
SkyNet. ;-) Sorry, I'm watching the Sarah Conner Chronicals.

~Roger

Re: Escape key doesn't work with fullScreen?

2010-10-31 Thread Mike Bonner

I have that problem crop up quite often. My brother tells me its a
problem between the keyboard and chair.  I've never been quite sure
what he meant by that..

On 10/31/10, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.com wrote:
 On 10/31/10 3:03 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

 This cognition bug is not fixable by RunRev, and has been marked as a
 duplicate of several related reports. ;)

 LOL! You're talking about some of my reports, right? :)

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Re: the siglum key ???

2010-10-30 Thread Mike Bonner

This might be useful, or discouraging.

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2841
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Re: [OT] Browsing the internet... It is safer from Linux?

2010-10-30 Thread Mike Bonner

If you're only wanting to browse, and are not sure a particular site
can be trusted, you might try using a live linux cd and browse from
there. Might not hurt to unmount your hard drive partition if you do
this just as an added layer of protection. Some live cd's auto mount
what they can find, some don't.

I run clamXav on my mac just because i was curious, but have never
found anything with it.

As far as downloading updates with linux, if you download something
with a trojan, and transfer it to your windows machine, you can still
get nailed unless your windows AV or malware scanner picks it up. In
many cases it boils down to whether you believe the site you are
downloading from can be trusted or not.

I ran windows for a lot of years and didn't have too much trouble. Was
surely not trouble free by any means. In some ways, I think its worse
now. Cross session hijacking, clickjacking, browser exploits. With
things moving closer and closer to being cloud based, I suspect things
are going to get really really ugly before they get better. Just my
opinion though.

On 10/30/10, stephen barncard stephenrevoluti...@barncard.com wrote:
Alejandro , When did you last hear about a Mac virus?

I don't like to boast, but..

I practice safe computing and a good router and don't use any anti-virus
software at all on any of my 4 macs. Haven't had a virus problem since 2002.
All running Leopard. Am I being foolish?

I find the need for the annoying McCaffe software when I've used XP quite
disgusting. If the OS is so bad you have to use a third party app to
'protect' yourself

The symbiotic relationship between McCaffee and Microsoft is kinda creepy.
There's even a button I did not install that goes to their website imbedded
in IE 6.

Downloads are almost always easy fast and safe on macs

On 30 October 2010 14:25, Alejandro Tejada capellan2...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi All,

Recently I have been considering seriously to unplug all
my Windows computers from the internet and
use only Linux to browse and download updates.

In truth,
How safe is using Linux browsers in the internet?
Most exploits seems directed to Windows and Mac users
but are Linux users really exempt from these risks???

What are your first hand experiences with the most common
security risks under the Linux platform?

http://www.owasp.org/index.php/Main_Page

http://e-articles.info/e/a/title/Which-Are-The-Most-Common-Network-Security-Risks/

http://www.bangkokpost.com/tech/technews/34952/today-10-most-common-security-threats-on-the-net
http://www.brighthub.com/internet/security-privacy/articles/3438.aspx

Thanks in advance!

Alejandro
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Re: Rev as Linux Shell Script

You can also leave off the -ui but then instead of a put you must write to
stdout. Worked last time I checked on 4.0, didn't test on 4.5 so don't know
if it will work there. Also, since you run without -ui you get a window
flash.

On the subject of revserver, Andre, you mentioned that liburl works with
that, but I have yet to get it to work in a revserver script.  Has there
been an updated release of revserver that works wiht liburl, or do I just
have something broken on my end or.. ?

Suggestions welcome, because i'd love to have liburl available.

On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 9:23 AM, Peter W A Wood peterwaw...@gmail.comwrote:

 Bill

 On 28 Oct 2010, at 22:39, Bill Andersen wrote:

  I'm sorry this is so long winded.  I'm hoping it will help you understand
 my motivation...
 
  ... snip 
 
 
  I've read how to get the runtime working as a CGI and played around
 enough that I 'can' (seemingly) make it work from a shell with the
 #!revolution -ui declaration on the first line.  However, when I get to
 some of the higher level features (FTP, ODBC, etc) I start getting errors.
  I was researching how to possibly resolve these issues (need libraries,
 etc) when I found that Rev 3.5 is the last version to support the ability to
 run as a CGI.


 I also am keen to use LiveCode to write shell programs and believe that
 it is possible by adopting a slightly different approach. I believe that if
 you build a standalone of your script, you can run the 'standalone
 program with the -ui argument.

 I performed a small test under Revolution 4.0. I created a new stack and
 added the following handler to the stack:

 on startup
put Hello Console
quit
 end startup

 I created a standalone and then ran the executable from a shell console
 using the -ui option :

 Rodney:MacOS peter$ ./CLTest -ui
 Hello Console
 Rodney:MacOS peter$

 It's not much of a test but it did work. I would expect the technique to
 work just as well under Linux.

 It would be even better if there was an option to build a GUI-less program
 when building a standalone in LiveCode though.

 Regards

 Peter


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Re: Rev as Linux Shell Script

Ah k. Yep was confused.  No libUrlFtp stuff doesn't work and even
libURLVersion throws an error.

I forget sometimes how much you can do with just the URL keyword.

On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 9:37 AM, Andre Garzia an...@andregarzia.com wrote:

 
 
  On the subject of revserver, Andre, you mentioned that liburl works with
  that, but I have yet to get it to work in a revserver script.  Has there
  been an updated release of revserver that works wiht liburl, or do I just
  have something broken on my end or.. ?
 
 
 Mike,

 I think it can handle URL keyword. Things such as put url and get url work
 fine with RevServer. I don't know if things such as libURLFtpCommand work
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Re: the siglum key ???

I put this in a button script:
on mouseUp
   put any item of random,Silly,Phrase into field 1
end mouseUp

And this in the cardscript:
on keydown theKey
   if theKey is ` then
  send mouseup to button 1
   else
  pass KeyDown
   end if
end keydown

It works for me, so not sure whats up on your end.


On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 1:00 PM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.comwrote:

 [Hope this subject line doesn't throw a 'bluey']

 If I have a button that contains something like this:

 on mouseUp
   put silly phrase into fld XXX
 end mouseUp

 it works . . .

 Now if I set up a card script so that when I hit the 'Q' key on my keyboard
 a mouseUp is sent to my button, it works.

 HOWEVER

 If I set up a card script so that when I hit the SIGLUM key [Top-Left; next
 to '1']
 a mouseUp is sent to my button, I get a SIGLUM in my field,
 not silly phrase.

 This is a bl**dy nuisance; any ideas WHY and HOW to circumvent this
 problem?

 sincerely, Richmond.
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Re: the siglum key ???

*slaps forehead*  I need to learn to read.

However, have you done something as simple as

on rawKeyDown theKey
put theKey
end rawKeyDown

to see what code is actually being sent?

If you aren't going for a specific key other than the one in the upper left
of the keyboard, and keyboards differ, I've no clue how one would go about
determining the keycode for that key position other than maybe asking the
user to push it once during setup to capture the code.

On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 1:43 PM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.comwrote:

 On 10/28/2010 10:22 PM, Mike Bonner wrote:

 I put this in a button script:
 on mouseUp
put any item of random,Silly,Phrase into field 1
 end mouseUp

 And this in the cardscript:
 on keydown theKey
if theKey is ` then
   send mouseup to button 1
else
   pass KeyDown
end if
 end keydown

 It works for me, so not sure whats up on your end.


 What is up on my end is that I don't want to refer to ` or siglum, but
 to
 rawKeyDown 0, as a very large number of my end-users use non-QWERTY
 keyboards,
 or, at least, non-QWERTY keyboard layouts.



 On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 1:00 PM, Richmondrichmondmathew...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  [Hope this subject line doesn't throw a 'bluey']

 If I have a button that contains something like this:

 on mouseUp
   put silly phrase into fld XXX
 end mouseUp

 it works . . .

 Now if I set up a card script so that when I hit the 'Q' key on my
 keyboard
 a mouseUp is sent to my button, it works.

 HOWEVER

 If I set up a card script so that when I hit the SIGLUM key [Top-Left;
 next
 to '1']
 a mouseUp is sent to my button, I get a SIGLUM in my field,
 not silly phrase.

 This is a bl**dy nuisance; any ideas WHY and HOW to circumvent this
 problem?

 sincerely, Richmond.
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Re: Rev as Linux Shell Script

I have a question regarding this, if one were to copy the script as you
explained, and instead of placing it in a stack could one paste it into an
.irev file and use it as an include with revserver scripts?

On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 2:03 PM, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.comwrote:

 On 10/28/10 2:08 PM, Bill Andersen wrote:

  I've used PHP to do 'shell utilities', I sure wish Rev could act
 similar.  How nice would it be to just have one language/syntax for
 the bulk of your code.


 You can insert libURL (or any other script) into the message path so that
 commands to the library will work with your CGI script. It takes a little
 bit of set up.

 First, in the View menu in the IDE, choose to show LiveCode UI Elements in
 lists. Then open the Application Browser and all the IDE stacks will
 appear. Scroll to the revLibrary stack in the left-hand list, expand it,
 click on its single card, and in the right side panel find the button
 revLibURL'. Right-click to edit its script, then copy it.

 Paste the script into the stack script of a new mainstack (for this way of
 doing it, it has to be the stack script.) Save the stack as revLibURL or
 similar. Upload the stack to your CGI folder on the server and set its
 permissions to 755.

 In your CGI script, put this near the beginning after the on startup
 line:

  start using stack revLibURL

 That will make the libURL script available to your CGI. After that you
 should be able to use libURL handlers as you do in the IDE. (In theory;
 haven't actually tried it. But that's how you create pseudo-includes.)

 The libURL library is updated frequently, so you'll have to repeat this
 process every time a new version of LiveCode is released if you want to stay
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Re: Rev as Linux Shell Script

Nope doesn't work, and I don't know enough to determine if it would be
worthwhile to beat it into submission or how to begin if it is worthwhile.
(tried it with the 4.5 script) Mostly was just wondering, revserver throws
errors  such as:

183,485,43,)
482,746,1,private
EXECUTION ERROR:
681,0,0,1

I have no clue what they mean.

On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 3:39 PM, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.comwrote:

 On 10/28/10 3:23 PM, Mike Bonner wrote:

 I have a question regarding this, if one were to copy the script as you
 explained, and instead of placing it in a stack could one paste it into an
 .irev file and use it as an include with revserver scripts?


 Yes, I think so, but I'm not sure how much of libURL the irev engine
 supports. The original post was about using it in an old-style CGI, which
 doesn't support text file includes, but is basically the same engine as the
 one used for building standalones.

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Re: Rev as Linux Shell Script

Oh cool. May mess around with it some more just to see.  Thx!

On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 5:16 PM, Alex Tweedly a...@tweedly.net wrote:

  Just a guess . libURL uses private handlers, and RevServer scripts
 can't have private functions in them.

 (The Docs say 'private' applies to desktop and server, but my simple test
 suggests otherwise

 ?rev
 private function a p
 return p+p
 end a
 put a(4)
 ?

 fails, remove the 'private' and it works.)

 There are only 2 instances of it in libURL, so try changing them and see if
 it helps 
 beware also of name clashes - e.g. the handler 'log' would cause a clash in
 most of my scripts :-)

 -- Alex.

 On 28/10/2010 23:28, Mike Bonner wrote:

 Nope doesn't work, and I don't know enough to determine if it would be
 worthwhile to beat it into submission or how to begin if it is worthwhile.
 (tried it with the 4.5 script) Mostly was just wondering, revserver throws
 errors  such as:

 183,485,43,)
 482,746,1,private
 EXECUTION ERROR:
 681,0,0,1

 I have no clue what they mean.

 On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 3:39 PM, J. Landman Gayjac...@hyperactivesw.com
 wrote:

  On 10/28/10 3:23 PM, Mike Bonner wrote:

  I have a question regarding this, if one were to copy the script as you
 explained, and instead of placing it in a stack could one paste it into
 an
 .irev file and use it as an include with revserver scripts?

  Yes, I think so, but I'm not sure how much of libURL the irev engine
 supports. The original post was about using it in an old-style CGI, which
 doesn't support text file includes, but is basically the same engine as
 the
 one used for building standalones.

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Re: Rev as Linux Shell Script

Cool, thanks much.  Grabbed a stack to experiment with.

On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 6:28 PM, Alex Shaw a...@harryscollar.com wrote:

 Hi Mike

 If you're using the 3.5 engine you can use liburl via the following:

 http://www.lacscentre.com/liburl/releases.html


 regards
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Re: Keyboards

2010-10-27 Thread Mike Kerner

I've ordered one keyboard to test, because I haven't liked anything that
I've felt in any of the local stores.  I also have another that I want to
try because it looks like it's probably very cool.

Anyway, the main point here was this:  I've been researching keyboards for
about a month.  I am fascinated by what I have found to date:

1) none of the manufacturers will disclose the trigger force of their
membrane keyboards.  They have said that because of manufacturing issues,
the weight can vary significantly, so no two keyboards, even within the same
lot, will feel the same.

2) Even among the keyboards with premium mechanical switches, the activating
force varies by +/- 30% ON THE SAME KEYBOARD!


I'll let you know more after I get to junk this POC for hopefully one that
doesn't make my fingers hurt...
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Re: LiveCode applications accepted in iOS App Store

2010-10-27 Thread Mike Bonner

that was baaad

On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 12:56 PM, Colin Holgate co...@verizon.net wrote:


 On Oct 27, 2010, at 2:39 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:

  This is an evil app. And it has cost me a lot of money besides. I wore a
 hole in my iPhone screen herding sheep!! LOL! j/k


 I think that outcome is previously unherd of.



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Keyboards

2010-10-22 Thread Mike Kerner

Well, the possibility of being able to use RR...ERR LC to develop iOS apps
caused me to buy a Mac Mini, my first desktop in a while.  For the first
time in a long time I'm looking for a keyboard.

Since I spend a lot of my day banging on keys, I'm looking for something
that doesn't feel like 5h!7, and will put up with the abuse.

I WANT to like the Apple-branded keyboards, but my first impression is that
I don't like the chicklets on the wireless version, and I think I want a
full 105 key keyboard.

I've been to Best Buy but I haven't found one that feels good under my
fingers.

Suggestions?

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Re: Keyboards

2010-10-22 Thread Mike Kerner

Has anybody tried a Das Keyboard?  I've read about them but I haven't been
able to try one out.

Just as an editorial comment, even the new wired apple kb has the 3/8
chicklet action.  I've tried both kb's in best buy and I just can't get used
to them.

I don't mind scissors per se.  Actually, if I could remove the kb from this
really, really cheap acer aspire that's sitting here, I'd use it forever.
It might be the easiest-to-type-on kb I've had.



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 On Oct 22, 2010, at 2:23 PM, Peter Alcibiades wrote:

  The real irritation about the Apple keyboards is the keys.  Where, you
 ask
  yourself is the # key?


 Any Apple keyboard I look at seems to have the # as shift 3.



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Re: Keyboards

2010-10-22 Thread Mike Kerner

Well if you can type you shouldn't be looking at the keys anyway...

On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 15:37, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.comwrote:

 On 10/22/10 1:00 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:

 I should also mention that I have never seen anyone wear the letters off
 the Apple keyboards. At least not the external ones. I have on other
 keyboards. Again, don't go cheap and you should be fine with anything.


 I did. My old one is half bald. The S went first, followed eventually by
 most of the keys of the left side. I later found out this was a problem with
 certain Apple keyboards produced in 2008. One guy went through 3 of them in
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Re: Keyboards

2010-10-22 Thread Mike Bonner

I had a kensington that I liked but it didn't survive the beating. Had an
apple wireless (2006) that didn't work all that well, but I was the second
owner so not only did it have to survive me, no telling what the previous
owner did to it.  Despite all its issues, i'm back on a G-15, the first
model made.  Keycaps are worn off, it's noisy, big, heavy, the lit up keys
are a bit obnoxious, however it still works, is easy to type on, does have
the longer keystroke that I like, and it's primary selling point is.. It
still works!

On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 2:11 PM, Mike Kerner mikeker...@roadrunner.comwrote:

 Well if you can type you shouldn't be looking at the keys anyway...

 On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 15:37, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.com
 wrote:

  On 10/22/10 1:00 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
 
  I should also mention that I have never seen anyone wear the letters off
  the Apple keyboards. At least not the external ones. I have on other
  keyboards. Again, don't go cheap and you should be fine with anything.
 
 
  I did. My old one is half bald. The S went first, followed eventually
 by
  most of the keys of the left side. I later found out this was a problem
 with
  certain Apple keyboards produced in 2008. One guy went through 3 of them
 in
  18 months.
 
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Re: revServer installation issues

2010-10-21 Thread Mike Bonner

From your description, it sounds like the new directives aren't getting
loaded at all.

If you run:

/usr/sbin/httpd -V |grep -i server_config_file

does it show the correct config file is at -D
SERVER_CONFIG_FILE=/private/etc/apache2/httpd.conf?

And you're using the server document root not your Sites directory.

Oh, and have you checked to make sure revserver is executable? This should
NOT be the problem, if it were your browser should get an internal server
error response, but doesn't hurt to confirm.

Also noticed you added the line:
   ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/revserver
/Library/WebServer/CGI-Executables/revserver  ##  PD 20101020 added
I don't believe this is required as long as revserver is at the toplevel
inside the CGI-Executables folder.
The existing:
ScriptAliasMatch ^/cgi-bin/((?!(?i:webobjects)).*$)
/Library/WebServer/CGI-Executables/$1
should handle it.

I chose to put the data, extensions, and handlers folders in /opt/revserver
as per one of the options in the readme.txt but i'm sure the other 2 methods
would work just fine.

On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 12:23 AM, Andre Garzia an...@andregarzia.comwrote:

 On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 3:49 AM, Phil Davis rev...@pdslabs.net wrote:

  I managed to replicate your problem here on my mac os x, am trying to
 solve
  it.
 
 
  Wow. Thanks Andre! That's huge!
 

 I am good at breaking things, specially my computers!


 
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Re: revServer installation issues

2010-10-21 Thread Mike Bonner

Glad it worked.  Looking forward to the explanation.

On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 8:02 PM, Phil Davis rev...@pdslabs.net wrote:

 Thanks Andre! This is a crazy problem. I just made the changes you
 recommend and added the .htaccess back into the mix, but no joy! I'm
 guessing I made a change to my httpd.conf at some point without commenting
 it and that's what is keeping your solution from working here. I'll see if I
 can track it down and post an explanation.

 However I am not without a solution: Mike sent me a copy of his httpd.conf,
 I replaced mine with it and *BAM* my .irev pages are now working!

 I am truly amazed at (and grateful for) the level of support provided by
 you guys, Andre and Mike, and so many other people on this list. It's an
 honor to be here!

 Phil


 On 10/21/10 2:26 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:

 Folks,

 This is FIXED!!

 Damn


 Phil, check out your http.conf for AllowOverride None. By default this
 comes
 set for the documents folder and for the cgi-bin folder.

 You need to change it to AllowOverride All and then you can place your
 .htaccess files and they will work.

 Just did it here.

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Re: revServer installation issues

2010-10-20 Thread Mike Bonner

out of curiosity, are you changing the files in /etc/httpd or /etc/apache2
if in httpd, try apache2 (if you're pretty sure you're setting them up
right) or if trying apache2 try httpd
Assuming both folders exist.

And did you turn in ExecCGI in the options for whatever directory you're
setting up?

Pretty much just the 3 things
and add ExecCGI to the options line

Options Your Options Here plus ExecCGI
AddHandler rev-script .irev
Action /cgi-bin/revserver
All within a directory... ...   /Directory block.

On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 5:19 PM, Phil Davis rev...@pdslabs.net wrote:

 Hey folks -

 I'm trying to figure out where I'm going wrong as I try to get revServer
 going on my Mac Mini. I have followed all the advice (I think) in the great
 emails from Devin Asay and Mike Bonner from July 20 and I see my test.irev
 page being served but without the ?rev ... ? stuff being preprocessed - in
 fact the HTML isn't rendered as HTML either; it all comes into my browser
 window as text.

 Any clues?

 Yes, I'm restarting apache after making each carefully-commented-so-I
 can-back-out change to httpd.conf. My apache logs don't show anything
 unusual.

 My outcomes don't seem any different whether the revserver filess are owned
 by nobody:wheel or phil:admin.

 Thanks for any ideas.
 --
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Re: on-rev remote database

2010-10-19 Thread Mike Bonner

Pretty sure you can, check the tool in cpanel, I believe I read in there
that % is allowable.

On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 1:17 PM, Andrew Kluthe and...@rjdfarm.com wrote:


 I know they are unlimited, but I need remote access for all ip's. Can you
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Re: on-rev remote database

2010-10-19 Thread Mike Bonner

Look on cPanel under databases section, theres a link for remote mysql.
This is on Odin.

On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 2:09 PM, stephen barncard 
stephenrevoluti...@barncard.com wrote:

 It's not available in cpanel now. I looked. I thought it was in the USERS
 and / or MySQL area a while ago.

 On 19 October 2010 12:22, Mike Bonner bonnm...@gmail.com wrote:

  Pretty sure you can, check the tool in cpanel, I believe I read in there
  that % is allowable.
 
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Re: on-rev remote database

2010-10-19 Thread Mike Bonner

Glad it was there. Never sure if there will be complete parity across server
boundaries!

On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 3:28 PM, stephen barncard 
stephenrevoluti...@barncard.com wrote:

 wow. I was wrong. thanks


 s
 On 19 October 2010 13:24, Mike Bonner bonnm...@gmail.com wrote:

  Look on cPanel under databases section, theres a link for remote mysql.
  This is on Odin.
 
  On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 2:09 PM, stephen barncard 
  stephenrevoluti...@barncard.com wrote:
 
   It's not available in cpanel now. I looked. I thought it was in the
 USERS
   and / or MySQL area a while ago.
  
   On 19 October 2010 12:22, Mike Bonner bonnm...@gmail.com wrote:
  
Pretty sure you can, check the tool in cpanel, I believe I read in
  there
that % is allowable.
   
   Stephen Barncard
   San Francisco Ca. USA
  
   more about sqb  http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar
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Re: dragData[files] question

2010-10-17 Thread Mike Bonner

Does this have to do the the can't get and set the same property in a
handler issue? I'm thinking its not possible to modify the dragdata during
the operation.  I experimented with a weird send in time thing and managed
to output the right stuff but it would only do so after a click somewhere in
the window.  Tried a few different things none of which worked
satisfactorily.

If it were me i'd sidestep the whole issue and just use a separate home
rolled container to store tFilePaths, whether it be a property or whatever.

On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 12:34 PM, FlexibleLearning 
ad...@flexiblelearning.com wrote:

 Hi Klaus,

 Duh! Getting tired, or old, or both!

 But even correcting the read-only as you point out, setting the
 dragData[files] fails to update the array.

 Will continue to ponder, but it appears not to be settable.

 Hugh Senior
 FLCo



 Klaus wrote:
 Hi Hugh,

  Is it my syntax, or is it simply not possible to modify the
  dragData[files] during a file drag operation?
 
  If I drag a .png file and a .rev file, I would expect the .rev filepath
 to
  have been removed, but it isn't...
 
  on dragEnter
   put the dragData[files] into tFilePaths
   set the itemDel to .
   repeat for each line L in tFilePaths
 if (last item of L is NOT among the items of GIF.JPG.JPEG.PNG)
 then delete line lineOffset(CRLCR,CRtFilePathsCR) of tFilePaths
   end repeat
   set the dragData[files] to tFilePaths
   put the dragData[files] -- Value does not get updated!
  end dragEnter
 
  So what am I missing?

 repeat for each is read only, but you try to change tFilePaths on the fly
 :-)

 Do this:

 on dragEnter
  put the dragData[files] into tFilePaths
  set the itemDel to .
  repeat for each line L in tFilePaths
   if (last item of L is among the items of GIF.JPG.JPEG.PNG) then
put l  CR after tFilePaths2
  end if
  end repeat
  delete char  -1 of tFilePaths2
  set the dragData[files] to tFilePaths2
  put the dragData[files] -- Value does not get updated!
 end dragEnter

  Hugh Senior
  FLCo

 Best

 Klaus

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Re: Unable to open file using shell or process

Is the tt.conf in the same folder with nr.php?

try /home/Bill/Desktop/report/nr.php -f /home/Bill/Desktop/report/tt.conf if
it is, or simplify it by switching there first.

cd /home/Bill/Desktop/report ; ./nr.php -f tt.conf

On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 10:56 AM, Glen Bojsza gboj...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Ken,

 It does not make a difference though thanks for pointing it out... I was
 also trying to add 21  after the tt.conf to see if that made a
 difference
 but it did not.

 Glen

 On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 10:47 AM, Ken Ray k...@sonsothunder.com wrote:

   on mouseUp
   put /home/Bill/Desktop/report/nr.php -f tt.conf  into promysql
  open process promysql for update
  read from process promysql for 500
  put it into fld tout
  write quit to process promysql
  close process promysql
   end mouseUp
  
   Error: Unable to open tt.conf
 
  Glen,
 
  Not that it should make a difference, but it appears there's a space
 after
  your command. I haven't used 'open process' to run a php script, so I may
  just be shooting blanks here, but just thought I'd pass that along.
 
  Ken Ray
  Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
  Email: k...@sonsothunder.com
  Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
 
 
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Re: Unable to open file using shell or process

oh duh, not a shell.  So can't do the cd first so do my first suggestion and
point to the exact path of the tt.conf

On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 11:08 AM, Mike Bonner bonnm...@gmail.com wrote:

 Is the tt.conf in the same folder with nr.php?

 try /home/Bill/Desktop/report/nr.php -f /home/Bill/Desktop/report/tt.conf
 if it is, or simplify it by switching there first.

 cd /home/Bill/Desktop/report ; ./nr.php -f tt.conf


 On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 10:56 AM, Glen Bojsza gboj...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Ken,

 It does not make a difference though thanks for pointing it out... I was
 also trying to add 21  after the tt.conf to see if that made a
 difference
 but it did not.

 Glen

 On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 10:47 AM, Ken Ray k...@sonsothunder.com wrote:

   on mouseUp
   put /home/Bill/Desktop/report/nr.php -f tt.conf  into promysql
  open process promysql for update
  read from process promysql for 500
  put it into fld tout
  write quit to process promysql
  close process promysql
   end mouseUp
  
   Error: Unable to open tt.conf
 
  Glen,
 
  Not that it should make a difference, but it appears there's a space
 after
  your command. I haven't used 'open process' to run a php script, so I
 may
  just be shooting blanks here, but just thought I'd pass that along.
 
  Ken Ray
  Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
  Email: k...@sonsothunder.com
  Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
 
 
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Re: Unable to open file using shell or process

What i'm getting at is the default folder most likely isn't what you
expect.

If you open a process /bin/pwd, my guess is that the result will NOT be
where the tt.conf file is, hence the need to point at it explicitly.

On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 11:09 AM, Mike Bonner bonnm...@gmail.com wrote:

 oh duh, not a shell.  So can't do the cd first so do my first suggestion
 and point to the exact path of the tt.conf


 On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 11:08 AM, Mike Bonner bonnm...@gmail.com wrote:

 Is the tt.conf in the same folder with nr.php?

 try /home/Bill/Desktop/report/nr.php -f /home/Bill/Desktop/report/tt.conf
 if it is, or simplify it by switching there first.

 cd /home/Bill/Desktop/report ; ./nr.php -f tt.conf


 On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 10:56 AM, Glen Bojsza gboj...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Ken,

 It does not make a difference though thanks for pointing it out... I was
 also trying to add 21  after the tt.conf to see if that made a
 difference
 but it did not.

 Glen

 On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 10:47 AM, Ken Ray k...@sonsothunder.com wrote:

   on mouseUp
   put /home/Bill/Desktop/report/nr.php -f tt.conf  into promysql
  open process promysql for update
  read from process promysql for 500
  put it into fld tout
  write quit to process promysql
  close process promysql
   end mouseUp
  
   Error: Unable to open tt.conf
 
  Glen,
 
  Not that it should make a difference, but it appears there's a space
 after
  your command. I haven't used 'open process' to run a php script, so I
 may
  just be shooting blanks here, but just thought I'd pass that along.
 
  Ken Ray
  Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
  Email: k...@sonsothunder.com
  Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
 
 
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Re: Unable to open file using shell or process

Did changing your code to the following work?

on mouseUp
put /home/Bill/Desktop/report/nr.php -f /home/Bill/Desktop/report/tt.conf
into promysql
  open process promysql for update
  read from process promysql for 500
  put it into fld tout
  write quit to process promysql
  close process promysql
end mouseUp


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 Yes, the nr.php file is in the same directory as the tt.conf file. I have
 also confirmed the path and files by do a process with ls -l
 /home/Bill/Desktop/reporter and it show the files.



 On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 11:08 AM, Mike Bonner bonnm...@gmail.com wrote:

  Is the tt.conf in the same folder with nr.php?
 
  try /home/Bill/Desktop/report/nr.php -f /home/Bill/Desktop/report/tt.conf
  if
  it is, or simplify it by switching there first.
 
  cd /home/Bill/Desktop/report ; ./nr.php -f tt.conf
 
  On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 10:56 AM, Glen Bojsza gboj...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   Hi Ken,
  
   It does not make a difference though thanks for pointing it out... I
 was
   also trying to add 21  after the tt.conf to see if that made a
   difference
   but it did not.
  
   Glen
  
   On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 10:47 AM, Ken Ray k...@sonsothunder.com
 wrote:
  
 on mouseUp
 put /home/Bill/Desktop/report/nr.php -f tt.conf  into promysql
open process promysql for update
read from process promysql for 500
put it into fld tout
write quit to process promysql
close process promysql
 end mouseUp

 Error: Unable to open tt.conf
   
Glen,
   
Not that it should make a difference, but it appears there's a space
   after
your command. I haven't used 'open process' to run a php script, so I
  may
just be shooting blanks here, but just thought I'd pass that along.
   
Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: k...@sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
   
   
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Re: Unable to open file using shell or process

Glad it worked for you!
Since it's all in the same folder you can most likely simplify it by setting
the default folder before opening the process.

you can do it like

on mouseup
-- the following changes the default folder so that you start in the
location
-- that contains your php script and the file you want to work on.
-- Should avoid the need for an explicit path.
-- as long as both are in the same folder you should be good to go.
-- if they were in different places you might have to provide the full path
to 1 or the other.
set the defaultfolder to /home/Bill/Desktop/report

-- much simplified promysql, no long pathing involved
put nr.php -f tt.confinto promysql
open process promysql for update
read from process promysql for 500
put it into fld tout
write quit to process promysql
close process promysql
end mouseup
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 12:13 PM, Glen Bojsza gboj...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Mike,

 That did it !

 Many thanks.

 Glen

 On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 12:04 PM, Mike Bonner bonnm...@gmail.com wrote:

  Did changing your code to the following work?
 
  on mouseUp
  put /home/Bill/Desktop/report/nr.php -f
 /home/Bill/Desktop/report/tt.conf
  into promysql
   open process promysql for update
   read from process promysql for 500
   put it into fld tout
   write quit to process promysql
   close process promysql
  end mouseUp
 
 
  On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 11:48 AM, Glen Bojsza gboj...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   Yes, the nr.php file is in the same directory as the tt.conf file. I
 have
   also confirmed the path and files by do a process with ls -l
   /home/Bill/Desktop/reporter and it show the files.
  
  
  
   On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 11:08 AM, Mike Bonner bonnm...@gmail.com
  wrote:
  
Is the tt.conf in the same folder with nr.php?
   
try /home/Bill/Desktop/report/nr.php -f
  /home/Bill/Desktop/report/tt.conf
if
it is, or simplify it by switching there first.
   
cd /home/Bill/Desktop/report ; ./nr.php -f tt.conf
   
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 10:56 AM, Glen Bojsza gboj...@gmail.com
  wrote:
   
 Hi Ken,

 It does not make a difference though thanks for pointing it out...
 I
   was
 also trying to add 21  after the tt.conf to see if that made a
 difference
 but it did not.

 Glen

 On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 10:47 AM, Ken Ray k...@sonsothunder.com
   wrote:

   on mouseUp
   put /home/Bill/Desktop/report/nr.php -f tt.conf  into
 promysql
  open process promysql for update
  read from process promysql for 500
  put it into fld tout
  write quit to process promysql
  close process promysql
   end mouseUp
  
   Error: Unable to open tt.conf
 
  Glen,
 
  Not that it should make a difference, but it appears there's a
  space
 after
  your command. I haven't used 'open process' to run a php script,
 so
  I
may
  just be shooting blanks here, but just thought I'd pass that
 along.
 
  Ken Ray
  Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
  Email: k...@sonsothunder.com
  Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
 
 
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Re: RevBrowser - setting the title in a custom browser

One thing that might help is that you don't need to parse the htmltext for
the title, its already a property.

revbrowserget(pinstanceid,title)

So something simple like this in the card script works ok.
on browserdocumentcomplete pInstanceId, pUrl
   put revBrowserGet(pInstanceId,title) into WhereverYouWantIt
end browserDocumentComplete

I did notice the lag you spoke of when going to pages with heavy graphics
and the like but am not sure there's really a way around it. I don't believe
the htmltext or title properties are set until the document load is
complete, but I could be wrong and often am!




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 I want to set a title field in a custom browser object I¹ve created but I¹m
 having a few problems. I can set it by querying  and parsing the browser¹s
 htmltext  in a browserDocumentComplete handler but this waits until the
 entire document has loaded (images and all), which means that it often lags
 WELL behind what is displayed in the browser. I¹ve also tried using a
 browserNavigateComplete handler (I use this to set the url field) coupled
 with a send in time message to a handler that gets the htmltext but it
 seems
 (at least on OSX) that the browser prevents this message from firing until
 the user moves the mouse out of the browser object.

 Surely someone has dealt with this issue already. Any ideas?

 Terry...

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Re: RevBrowser - setting the title in a custom browser

If you find a solution for this let me know, i'm interested.

Take care.

On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 2:56 PM, Terry Judd t...@unimelb.edu.au wrote:

 Thanks Mike - I completely forgot to check the revBrowserGet properties!
 Ideally there'd be a way of querying this while the download was in progress
 given that the HTML usually loads pretty quickly.

 Regards,

 Terry...

 On 15/10/2010, at 5:52 AM, Mike Bonner bonnm...@gmail.com wrote:

  One thing that might help is that you don't need to parse the htmltext
 for
  the title, its already a property.
 
  revbrowserget(pinstanceid,title)
 
  So something simple like this in the card script works ok.
  on browserdocumentcomplete pInstanceId, pUrl
put revBrowserGet(pInstanceId,title) into WhereverYouWantIt
  end browserDocumentComplete
 
  I did notice the lag you spoke of when going to pages with heavy graphics
  and the like but am not sure there's really a way around it. I don't
 believe
  the htmltext or title properties are set until the document load is
  complete, but I could be wrong and often am!
 
 
 
 
  On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 10:54 PM, Terry Judd t...@unimelb.edu.au wrote:
 
  I want to set a title field in a custom browser object I¹ve created but
 I¹m
  having a few problems. I can set it by querying  and parsing the
 browser¹s
  htmltext  in a browserDocumentComplete handler but this waits until the
  entire document has loaded (images and all), which means that it often
 lags
  WELL behind what is displayed in the browser. I¹ve also tried using a
  browserNavigateComplete handler (I use this to set the url field)
 coupled
  with a send in time message to a handler that gets the htmltext but it
  seems
  (at least on OSX) that the browser prevents this message from firing
 until
  the user moves the mouse out of the browser object.
 
  Surely someone has dealt with this issue already. Any ideas?
 
  Terry...
 
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  Medical Education Unit
  Melbourne Medical School
  The University of Melbourne
 
 
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Re: shell command to identify wireless printer

2010-10-12 Thread Mike Bonner

-I is for information, just a command line switch, as you say, no part of
the filename. airport -I (cap I) make sure the space is there.
If you want to see the other switches, switch to that directory in terminal
manually run the command with the -h switch.
./airport -h
and it will show a short help listing. (can also do ./airport --help with
the double dash before help)
What error are you getting, and can you make it work from terminal?

Hmm, interesting. On my macbook it works great, fine, wonderful (snow
leopard). On my mac pro (leopard) I get an error when trying to use the -I
switch.

airport(7424) malloc: *** error for object 0x1053a0: double free
*** set a breakpoint in malloc_error_break to debug

Is that the error you get? The main differences in my 2 machines is the OS,
leopard versus snow, and my mac pro is a wired connect no wireless hooked up
at all at the moment.

I'll see if I can find an alternate (reliable) way to get the current SSID.

On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 5:45 AM, Peter Brigham MD pmb...@gmail.com wrote:

I can probably get this to work, since my handler already relies on asking
the user once for the USB printer identification then storing it so the user
never has to be asked again. If I can identify the wireless network I can
associate a printer with it, store that printername, and then proceed.

However, I don't understand much at all about command-line stuff. I ran
put
shell(/System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/Apple80211.framework/Versions/Current/Resources/airport-I)
and I get an error. What command should I use to operate on this filepath?
And what's the -I at the end? It's not part of the filename.

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
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http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig http://home.comcast.net/%7Epmbrig

On Oct 9, 2010, at 12:24 AM, Mike Bonner wrote:

Can you come at it from a different direction? Can you check current SSID
against a printer list to select which printer you want? Assuming you
always
go to the same set of networks, this should have a similar affect yes?
Set
it up once, save the printer name, next time you need to print check the
current ssid and select the appropriate printer name.

YOu can get the current ssid with the following command line.

/System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/Apple80211.framework/Versions/Current/Resources/airport
-I

MOre info than you need, but easy to parse.

On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 9:51 PM, Peter Brigham MD pmb...@gmail.com
wrote:

The printername gives the name of the printer currently selected in the
print dialog, ie, the default printer. On my MacBook, this will be the
last
printer used. But that will not necessarily be the name of the currently
connected printer, if I have changed venues. I'm trying to find a way to
discover the name of the printer that is currently connected to the Mac.
I
can do this with a rather complex handler I cobbled together if the the
printer is plugged in via USB, but I'm struggling to find a way of
getting
the name of a printer that is currently connected wirelessly over an
Airport
router. It turns out that neither lpstat nor lpq seem to do this.

Any further ideas? Anyone?

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmb...@gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig http://home.comcast.net/%7Epmbrig
http://home.comcast.net/%7Epmbrig

On Oct 8, 2010, at 5:00 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

On 10/8/10 12:30 PM, Peter Brigham MD wrote:

The availablePrinters shows the list of printers you have named and
have
drivers for -- it's what appears in the print dialog list, from which
you choose the printer you want to use. I want to know automatically
which printer my laptop is connected to at the moment so I can bypass
the print dialog entirely and send all printing to that printer.

Isn't that the printername?

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Re: [OT] 42-day

2010-10-12 Thread Mike Bonner

Alas, I never have and never will reach 42.  I've been the same age as jack
benny for the last 5 years. (39 and holding)

On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 6:40 AM, Peter Brigham MD pmb...@gmail.com wrote:

 put min(myAge,42) into myAge

 -- Peter

 Peter M. Brigham
 pmb...@gmail.com
 http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig http://home.comcast.net/%7Epmbrig


 On Oct 11, 2010, at 2:37 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:

  OH MY GOSH! I am 42 today! And have been for some years now! ;-)

 Bob


 On Oct 10, 2010, at 2:16 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote:

  Hi,

 Today is 42-day.

 put baseconvert(42,10,2)

 gives 101010, which is today's date. I believe this is a good occasion to
 post a link to an anecode that Colin wrote the the HyperCard list a few
 years ago: http://qurl.tk/io

 Also, as recommended by Stephen Fry on Twitter, you might want to do a
 few activities that involve 42. Some ideas can be found on this site
 http://www.fortytwoday.com/

 Happy 42-day :-)

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 Best regards,

 Mark Schonewille

 Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
 Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
 Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
 KvK: 50277553

 Download the Installer Maker plugin for Runtime Revolution at
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Re: shell command to identify wireless printer

2010-10-12 Thread Mike Bonner

Ignore any duplicates that show up, forgot to clean up last message and its
being held for moderator approval, so don't know if they'll magically appear
or not. This email is easier to read anyway. I'm actually awake now!

Try this:
   get shell(cd /usr/sbin;system_profiler SPNetworkDataType |grep -i
signature)
   set the itemdel to =
   put the last item of it into yourplacetostoreit

It grabs the hardware signature of the router and splits out the last item
which is the routers mac address. Should be a more reliable method of
tagging what network you're on. SSID may not be unique since so many people
never change the default.

This should work for wired or wireless.

I don't know how likely it is you'll have more than one valid connection at
a time, if its a possibility for you, might consider testing it to see if it
contains more than one line.

Also running virtual machines could throw this off I guess, but it shouldn't
be too bad to get a handle on things.

If nothing else, don't split off the mac address and use the entire result
as your matching text.  If there IS more than 1 valid result, and you do use
the entire thing as your match text, also might consider a sort since I
can't test if system_profiler always lists in the exact same order.
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Re: MatchText

2010-10-08 Thread Mike Bonner

A period matches any single char, an asterisk will match any number of
consecutive chars of the previous char.  IE, p* will match   Since .
will match anything (with a couple exceptions), .* will match any
combination of digits/chars whatever.  To match text chars only you use sets
like so [a-zA-Z]* which will match any upper or lower case char and as many
more upper or lower case chars that follows in a row.

This page is a really good place to get a grip on the easier regex
http://www.regular-expressions.info/quickstart.html


On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Warren Kuhl warrenk...@gmail.com wrote:

 What is the syntax of the matchtext command to search a variable for
 multiple characters (., ! or ?).  If it contains any characters in my
 list, it returns a TRUE?

 I am able to get it working with one value...

 answer MatchText(tValue,(\.))

 Thanks for any help!
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Re: shell command to identify wireless printer

2010-10-08 Thread Mike Bonner

Can you come at it from a different direction?  Can you check current SSID
against a printer list to select which printer you want? Assuming you always
go to the same set of networks, this should have a similar affect yes?  Set
it up once, save the printer name, next time you need to print check the
current ssid and select the appropriate printer name.

YOu can get the current ssid with the following command line.

/System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/Apple80211.framework/Versions/Current/Resources/airport
-I

MOre info than you need, but easy to parse.

On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 9:51 PM, Peter Brigham MD pmb...@gmail.com wrote:

 The printername gives the name of the printer currently selected in the
 print dialog, ie, the default printer. On my MacBook, this will be the last
 printer used. But that will not necessarily be the name of the currently
 connected printer, if I have changed venues. I'm trying to find a way to
 discover the name of the printer that is currently connected to the Mac. I
 can do this with a rather complex handler I cobbled together if the the
 printer is plugged in via USB, but I'm struggling to find a way of getting
 the name of a printer that is currently connected wirelessly over an Airport
 router. It turns out that neither lpstat nor lpq seem to do this.

 Any further ideas? Anyone?

 -- Peter

 Peter M. Brigham
 pmb...@gmail.com
 http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig http://home.comcast.net/%7Epmbrig



 On Oct 8, 2010, at 5:00 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

  On 10/8/10 12:30 PM, Peter Brigham MD wrote:

 The availablePrinters shows the list of printers you have named and have
 drivers for -- it's what appears in the print dialog list, from which
 you choose the printer you want to use. I want to know automatically
 which printer my laptop is connected to at the moment so I can bypass
 the print dialog entirely and send all printing to that printer.


 Isn't that the printername?

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Re: shell command to identify wireless printer

2010-10-07 Thread Mike Bonner

lpq should do what you want.  Will show all print queues and their status
for example, my wireless printer returns

_3500_4500_Series_MAC:002000148b45 is ready
no entries

no entries of course meaning that there are no queued documents. I didn't
try shutting my printer down to see if the status would change though, so
your mileage may vary.

On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 4:12 PM, Peter Brigham MD pmb...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'm looking for the shell command that would include in its output
 something that would identify a printer that is currently wirelessly
 connected to my MacBook. I can use shell(ioreg) to get info on a printer
 connected via USB (after some parsing), but my wireless printer connection
 doesn't show up in the ioreg listing. What command can I use to see how the
 system identifies a wireless printer? I need to be able to confirm before
 printing from a stack that the wireless connection to the printer is up and
 running.

 If it matters, the wireless connection is not a Bonjour connection -- it's
 a PC wireless network. I can print fine using the printer, so the connection
 is good, and functional.

 -- Peter

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Re: RevBrowser bug

2010-10-06 Thread Mike Bonner

This happens because the revbrowser instance is linked to a specific
windowid and certain things change that id. As you mentioned changing the
resizable, going fullscreen, and if I recall correctly, changing the window
decorations all change the windowid.  Haven't tried it but changing window
mode will probably do this also.

This is something that I too hope will be changed/fixed? Though i'm not sure
if it should be a bug report or a feature request.

Where is your report, i'll vote for it.

On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 5:20 AM, Klaus on-rev kl...@major.on-rev.com wrote:

 Hi all,

  Hi all,
 
  I just filed a bug report for a nasty bug I found today and wanted to let
 you know.
 
  When you toggle the resizable of a stack with an active browser, the
 content
  of the browser will disappear in data nirvana :-/
 
  Try it yourself:
  Open an URL in any browser and toggle the resizable of that stack with a
 button
  or the message box, big fun :-/
 
  You will need to close the browser and open a new instance to make it
 work again.

 the same happens when you set the fullscreen of stack xyz to true


 Best

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Re: RevBrowser bug

2010-10-06 Thread Mike Bonner

Done.

I've fought with this before. Its a real pain in the butt. Did things like
setup the browser stack as a float on top stack that was docked with the
stack behind.  Then I could do stuff with the back stack and have the front
respond. Never did work very well.

Ended up doing as you suggested, using the resizer from the library, dumped
the stock decorations etc, and since it was a video player window that I
wished to be able to go in and out of fullscreen while playing a streaming
vid in the browser, I ended up having a 2nd stack that existed for the sole
purpose of going into and out of fullscreen behind the browser window to
obscure the menu bar and dock. libKiosk worked pretty good for this too.

Hoping when/if the externals go public that problems like this will poof and
go away.

On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 6:37 AM, Klaus on-rev kl...@major.on-rev.com wrote:

 Hi Mike,

  This happens because the revbrowser instance is linked to a specific
  windowid and certain things change that id. As you mentioned changing the
  resizable, going fullscreen, and if I recall correctly, changing the
 window
  decorations all change the windowid.  Haven't tried it but changing
 window
  mode will probably do this also.
 
  This is something that I too hope will be changed/fixed? Though i'm not
 sure
  if it should be a bug report or a feature request.

 whatever, I marked it as Blocker

 A workaround ist to make the stack NOT resizable and use the Mac Style
 Stack Resizer
 from the object lib or make your own :-)

  Where is your report, i'll vote for it.

 Ah, sorry, here it is:
 http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=9041


 Best

 Klaus

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Re: Image Library Disappeared in LiveCode

2010-10-05 Thread Mike Bonner

I just did a test run in livecode and created an image library, then
searched for it from the terminal.  It was created in

./Documents/My LiveCode/Resources/Icon Libraries/revLibmyTestLib.rev

When I first looked the Resources tree wasn't there. After I created an
image library, the tree was created and the library was placed there. Either
re-create the tree then move your libraries, or create a quicky one so it
does it for you then move em all over.

Alternatively, do as Mark suggested and just change your preferences to
point to the old location.


On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 11:07 AM, Peter Haworth p...@mollysrevenge.comwrote:

 Prowled around a bit more and found where the icons were stored in Rev 4.0
 (I'm running on OSX).  They are in the Documents/My Revolution
 Studio/Resources/Icon Libraries folder.  Each set of icons I imported is in
 a rev stack named revlib followed by the name of the icon library.  I'm
 hoping I can just move those stacks to somewhere in the new LiveCode
 hierarchy to have them show up.  Any ideas?

 Pete Haworth

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  Message: 5
 Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 19:49:17 -0500
 From: J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.com
 Subject: Re: Image Library Disappeared in LiveCode
 To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com
 Message-ID: 4caa760d.1040...@hyperactivesw.com
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

 On 10/4/10 7:05 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:

 I had imported 3 or 4 image libraries into Revolution 4.0.  They don't
 show up in LiveCode 4.5. I don't have the external sources of the image
 files on my computer - any ideas on how I can get them back?


 Do they show up in the application browser?

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Re: Sort question

2010-10-03 Thread Mike Bonner

Changing the first suggestion

set the itemDel to slash
sort lines of myList by item 2 of (word 2 of each) and item 1 of (word 2 of
each)

to

set the itemDel to slash
sort lines of myList by item 2 of (word 2 of each) ** item 1 of (word 2 of
each)

works for this also as long as the data is always 2 digit format. Barring
that, just doing 2 consecutive numeric sorts on the appropriate key will
work.
Can you use the  version and specify sort type individually for each
part?
IE: sort blah blah by item 1  item 2, 1 numeric, the other alphabetic?

On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 8:32 AM, Ben Rubinstein benr...@cogapp.com wrote:

 This is really the same as Mark suggested, but should work even if the
 numbers aren't zero padded:

 function sortByMonthAndDay tText
   set the itemDelimiter to /
   sort lines of tText ascending numeric by item 1 of (word 2 of each)
   sort lines of tText ascending numeric by item 2 of (word 2 of each)
   return tText
 end mouseUp

 (I think Mark probably meant  instead of and)

 Ben


 On 03/10/2010 15:14, Yves COPPE wrote:


 Le 03-oct.-10 à 16:04, Mark Schonewille a écrit :

  Hi Yves,

 What about this:

 set the itemDel to slash
 sort lines of myList by item 2 of (word 2 of each) and item 1 of (word 2
 of
 each)




 Re,

 No, I don't receive the right answer

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Re: Storing an Array as a Custom Property

2010-10-01 Thread Mike Bonner

You can put multidimensional arrays into properties, at least as of what..
3.5? If I recall correctly, the only real issue with this is that you have
to pull the whole thing back out as a unit to work with it.  I'm not
positive, but I don't think it arrayencodes and decodes when you get and
set. bit not sure.  When looking at a property that is an array in the
inspector it says this:
*
The value of this custom property is an array and can only be edited in the
Property inspector if it is first converted into a string. Doing this will
empty the array. If you are sure you want to do this, double click on this
field*

On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 11:21 AM, Phil Davis rev...@pdslabs.net wrote:

  On 10/1/10 9:04 AM, Gregory Lypny wrote:

 Hi everyone,

 Page 236 of the LiveCode user guide says that arrays cannot be stored as
 single custom properties.  Can anyone confirm this please?  The reason I ask
 is that I thought that I had read in a past Rev newsletter that it was now
 possible, but I may be mistaken.

 I'm developing an app in LiveCode and have been saving uni-dimensional
 arrays as single customs props without apparent problems; however, it may be
 another story with multi-dimensional arrays.


 For multi-dimensional arrays you need arrayEncode() and arrayDecode():

 put ice cream into aMyFoods[favorites][desserts][cold]
 set the uMyFoods of stack dataContainer to arrayEncode(aMyFoods)

  Regards,

 Gregory


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Re: send vs dispatch and continuously running processes

2010-09-30 Thread Mike Bonner

If you're doing something like a repeat forever loop, somewhere in the loop
you should have a wait with messages command so the script has breathing
room to execute other things.
IE:
wait 10 milliseconds with messages

As for getting web urls, have you looked at the load command?

it will load a page into cache in the background, and you can designate a
callback to handle it when the load is done.  Since this is a looping
forever thing you'll need to make sure you unload the url after you process
the results so that you always get a fresh result, and so that you don't
fill your memory to the brim and bring your system to a standstill.

On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 7:27 AM, Kee Nethery k...@kagi.com wrote:

 Just want to confirm I understand these commands.

 I tend to write applications that run continuously. They loop over and over
 doing the same tasks and pretty much never get to a point to where they halt
 waiting for user input. Thus for me the current script never finishes
 executing.

 The send blah in X minutes command appears to only execute once the
 current script has completed, which in my case is never. So I assume I
 should never use the in X minutes form and only ever use send as an
 immediate command such that the current script halts and waits for it to
 complete. Correct?

 Dispatch looks to me like send except it makes it easier to include
 parameters and does not include the delay, which I cannot use anyway.
 Correct?

 I was hoping that I could use Send or Dispatch to fire off a bunch of get
 URL commands and then circle back to gather their results, a form of threads
 or multi-tasking but from what I can see in the 4.5 docs, that is not how
 those functions work. Is there a way in LiveCode to spawn a bunch of
 processes to run in parallel and then to process their results as they get
 returned?

 I'm assuming the answers are: Yes, Yes, No. Just want to make sure I
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Re: send vs dispatch and continuously running processes

2010-09-30 Thread Mike Bonner

If you DO use a repeat loop, the 'wait time with messages' is pretty much
obligatory right? So you can setup an exit strategy and so that pending
messages (such as sends and dispatches) will still be processed, right?

On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 8:11 AM, dunb...@aol.com wrote:

 I don't really know what you intend, but you probably do not want to lock
 yourself into a repeat loop. As others have suggested, send in time with
 messages is very effective, and then call that again:

 on myMessage

   doYourStuff

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Re: SelectedChunk

I'm positive this can be shortened, but as is should do what you want. It
could be simplified greatly of course if you are forcing only whole word
selections, but this will account for partial word selects, and also just an
insertion point.
*
on mouseUp
   -- Determine if there is actually a selection of more than 1 char
   if word 2 of the selectedchunk - word 4 of the selectedchunk  0 then
  put word 2 of the selectedchunk into tChar
   else
  put word 4 of the selectedchunk into tChar
   end if

   -- Determine if the selection is already on a word boundary.
   --if so determine which word the break is at.
   if char tChar of field 1 is space then
  put true into tCharMatch
  put char 1 to tChar of field 1 into tTmp
  putWord:   the number of words  in tTmp + 1 into tWord
   end if

   -- if a match hasn't been found yet, and we're not at the field start
   -- nudge 1 char left and check for word break. Repeat until top of field
or match
   repeat while tChar  1 and tCharMatch is empty
  subtract 1 from tChar
  if char tChar of field 1 is space then
 put true into tCharMatch
 put char 1 to tChar of field 1 into tTmp
 put Word:   the number of words in tTmp + 1 into tWord
  else if tChar = 0 then
 --if we reach the start of the field, must be the first word
 put Word: 1 into tWord
  end if
   end repeat

 answer information tWord
end mouseUp*

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 Is there an easy way to retrieve the word # of a field based on the
 SelectedChunk?  The SelectedChunk contains the start/end position of a word
 of a field.  Just am trying to determine which word without to much
 coding...if possible.

 Thanks for any help!
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Re: SelectedChunk

Would have to program it, and now that i'm more awake, not sure you need to
go through all the convoluted stuff I did.

This is probably closer to what you can end up with.
on mouseUp
   put word 2 of the selectedchunk into tChar
   put char 1 to tChar of field 1 into tTmp
   put the number of words in tTmp
end mouseUp

This will work with the exception that if your selection includes a space at
the left the wordcount will be off by 1, so you'd have to test and decide
how you want it to behave in that situation.  Will also have to test for a
simple insertion point rather than a selection also and adjust accordingly.


To force full word selections, I believe one of the Marks posted something a
not too long ago that would do this... The gist of the script (If I recall
correctly) was that when a selection is made, you check for word boundaries
to the right and left and adjust the selection accordingly.
Once you have your char positions you can set the selection.

select char 5 to 12 of field yourfield

I haven't actually tried the forced selection part.

G'luck with all this. If I can locate the script I'm trying to remember,
i'll post a link.



On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 8:40 AM, Warren Kuhl warrenk...@gmail.com wrote:

 Mike,

 Thank you very much for this.  I really appreciate it.  Looks exactly like
 what I was looking for.

 You mentioned forcing only whole words.  Is this a command?  Or something I
 would need to program?

 Thanks again!
 Warren




 On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 9:21 AM, Mike Bonner bonnm...@gmail.com wrote:

  I'm positive this can be shortened, but as is should do what you want. It
  could be simplified greatly of course if you are forcing only whole word
  selections, but this will account for partial word selects, and also just
  an
  insertion point.
  *
  on mouseUp
-- Determine if there is actually a selection of more than 1 char
if word 2 of the selectedchunk - word 4 of the selectedchunk  0 then
   put word 2 of the selectedchunk into tChar
else
   put word 4 of the selectedchunk into tChar
end if
 
-- Determine if the selection is already on a word boundary.
--if so determine which word the break is at.
if char tChar of field 1 is space then
   put true into tCharMatch
   put char 1 to tChar of field 1 into tTmp
   putWord:   the number of words  in tTmp + 1 into tWord
end if
 
-- if a match hasn't been found yet, and we're not at the field start
-- nudge 1 char left and check for word break. Repeat until top of
 field
  or match
repeat while tChar  1 and tCharMatch is empty
   subtract 1 from tChar
   if char tChar of field 1 is space then
  put true into tCharMatch
  put char 1 to tChar of field 1 into tTmp
  put Word:   the number of words in tTmp + 1 into tWord
   else if tChar = 0 then
  --if we reach the start of the field, must be the first word
  put Word: 1 into tWord
   end if
end repeat
 
   answer information tWord
  end mouseUp*
 
  On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 7:17 AM, Warren Kuhl warrenk...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
   Is there an easy way to retrieve the word # of a field based on the
   SelectedChunk?  The SelectedChunk contains the start/end position of a
  word
   of a field.  Just am trying to determine which word without to much
   coding...if possible.
  
   Thanks for any help!
   Warren
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Re: SelectedChunk

http://forums.runrev.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=7t=3199

Not the post I was thinking of, but some really useful stuff in that forum
thread about whole word selections.

On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 9:05 AM, Warren Kuhl warrenk...@gmail.com wrote:

 Mike,

 Thank you very much.  You have been most helpful!

 All the best!
 Warren

 On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 10:03 AM, Mike Bonner bonnm...@gmail.com wrote:

  Would have to program it, and now that i'm more awake, not sure you need
 to
  go through all the convoluted stuff I did.
 
  This is probably closer to what you can end up with.
  on mouseUp
put word 2 of the selectedchunk into tChar
put char 1 to tChar of field 1 into tTmp
put the number of words in tTmp
  end mouseUp
 
  This will work with the exception that if your selection includes a space
  at
  the left the wordcount will be off by 1, so you'd have to test and decide
  how you want it to behave in that situation.  Will also have to test for
 a
  simple insertion point rather than a selection also and adjust
 accordingly.
 
 
  To force full word selections, I believe one of the Marks posted
 something
  a
  not too long ago that would do this... The gist of the script (If I
 recall
  correctly) was that when a selection is made, you check for word
 boundaries
  to the right and left and adjust the selection accordingly.
  Once you have your char positions you can set the selection.
 
  select char 5 to 12 of field yourfield
 
  I haven't actually tried the forced selection part.
 
  G'luck with all this. If I can locate the script I'm trying to remember,
  i'll post a link.
 
 
 
  On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 8:40 AM, Warren Kuhl warrenk...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
   Mike,
  
   Thank you very much for this.  I really appreciate it.  Looks exactly
  like
   what I was looking for.
  
   You mentioned forcing only whole words.  Is this a command?  Or
 something
  I
   would need to program?
  
   Thanks again!
   Warren
  
  
  
  
   On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 9:21 AM, Mike Bonner bonnm...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  
I'm positive this can be shortened, but as is should do what you
 want.
  It
could be simplified greatly of course if you are forcing only whole
  word
selections, but this will account for partial word selects, and also
  just
an
insertion point.
*
on mouseUp
  -- Determine if there is actually a selection of more than 1 char
  if word 2 of the selectedchunk - word 4 of the selectedchunk  0
 then
 put word 2 of the selectedchunk into tChar
  else
 put word 4 of the selectedchunk into tChar
  end if
   
  -- Determine if the selection is already on a word boundary.
  --if so determine which word the break is at.
  if char tChar of field 1 is space then
 put true into tCharMatch
 put char 1 to tChar of field 1 into tTmp
 putWord:   the number of words  in tTmp + 1 into tWord
  end if
   
  -- if a match hasn't been found yet, and we're not at the field
 start
  -- nudge 1 char left and check for word break. Repeat until top of
   field
or match
  repeat while tChar  1 and tCharMatch is empty
 subtract 1 from tChar
 if char tChar of field 1 is space then
put true into tCharMatch
put char 1 to tChar of field 1 into tTmp
put Word:   the number of words in tTmp + 1 into tWord
 else if tChar = 0 then
--if we reach the start of the field, must be the first word
put Word: 1 into tWord
 end if
  end repeat
   
 answer information tWord
end mouseUp*
   
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   wrote:
   
 Is there an easy way to retrieve the word # of a field based on the
 SelectedChunk?  The SelectedChunk contains the start/end position
 of
  a
word
 of a field.  Just am trying to determine which word without to much
 coding...if possible.

 Thanks for any help!
 Warren
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Re: SelectedChunk

Ok thats cool.
So if its NOT just an insertion point then
the number of words of char 1 to (word 2 of the selectedchunk) of field
yourfield
will give the number of words preceeding the selection?

So this whole thing could boil down to

on mouseUp
   if word 4 of the selectedchunk  word 2 of the selectedchunk then
  put the number of words of (char 1 to (word 4 of the selectedchunk) of
field 1)
   else
  put the number of words of (char 1 to (word 2 of the selectedchunk) of
field 1)
   end if
end mouseUp

I knew I was making my solution WAY too difficult. Thanks for this.

On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 11:39 AM, Peter Brigham MD pmb...@gmail.com wrote:

 The selectedChunk gives the segment of text selected, in the form

  char chartPosition to endPosition of field n

 If the selection is empty (insertion point only), the result is something
 like char 5 to 4 of field 9 -- in this case to get the number of the word
 containing the insertion point, use:

  the number of words of char 1 to (word 4 of the selectedchunk) of field 9

 If a run of text is selected then the above will get the number of the word
 containing the end of the selection.

 -- Peter

 Peter M. Brigham
 pmb...@gmail.com
 http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig http://home.comcast.net/%7Epmbrig




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  Is there an easy way to retrieve the word # of a field based on the
 SelectedChunk?  The SelectedChunk contains the start/end position of a
 word
 of a field.  Just am trying to determine which word without to much
 coding...if possible.

 Thanks for any help!
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Re: SelectedChunk

Nevermind. *sigh* Number of words prior to selection or insertion point is
  put the number of words of (char 1 to (word 2 of the selectedchunk) of
field 1)

Rev is far more amazing than I can make it be.  So is Livecode!

On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Mike Bonner bonnm...@gmail.com wrote:

 Ok thats cool.
 So if its NOT just an insertion point then
 the number of words of char 1 to (word 2 of the selectedchunk) of field
 yourfield
 will give the number of words preceeding the selection?

 So this whole thing could boil down to

 on mouseUp
if word 4 of the selectedchunk  word 2 of the selectedchunk then
   put the number of words of (char 1 to (word 4 of the selectedchunk)
 of field 1)
else
   put the number of words of (char 1 to (word 2 of the selectedchunk)
 of field 1)
end if
 end mouseUp

 I knew I was making my solution WAY too difficult. Thanks for this.

 On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 11:39 AM, Peter Brigham MD pmb...@gmail.comwrote:

 The selectedChunk gives the segment of text selected, in the form

  char chartPosition to endPosition of field n

 If the selection is empty (insertion point only), the result is something
 like char 5 to 4 of field 9 -- in this case to get the number of the word
 containing the insertion point, use:

  the number of words of char 1 to (word 4 of the selectedchunk) of field 9

 If a run of text is selected then the above will get the number of the
 word containing the end of the selection.

 -- Peter

 Peter M. Brigham
 pmb...@gmail.com
 http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig http://home.comcast.net/%7Epmbrig




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  Is there an easy way to retrieve the word # of a field based on the
 SelectedChunk?  The SelectedChunk contains the start/end position of a
 word
 of a field.  Just am trying to determine which word without to much
 coding...if possible.

 Thanks for any help!
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Re: Hopefully a simple question

Very cool, thanks for links, have downloaded the source for g2, can't wait
to start digging through it. It's hit half past braindead-oclock here, night
all, and thx again.

On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 12:20 AM, Shao Sean shaos...@wehostmacs.com wrote:

 http://forums.runrev.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=22t=4295

 http://forums.runrev.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=22t=1053


 scroll through the second and there is a link for the full source code to
 the game.. I tried it out a while back and it seemed pretty nifty and you
 can probably get some pointers and tips from the code..

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Re: Hopefully a simple question

Thank you very much! Lots of stuff way over my head so far, but i'll stick
with it till I get it. By the way, 'wrap' is very helpful for this sort of
thing.

Side question, if I wanted to use aerial style photos for my tiles, there is
a method to set the initial graphic up so that it will 'mesh' with itself on
any edge. This is just a simple right/left, up/down duplication with a
reverse and flip right? (sounds like i'm describing a dive) at which point
the consolidated image can be split into tile sized chunks and assigned
locations. And while on the subject, does anyone know of a utility that will
split a large image into chucks based on a grid? Meaning cut it into 40x40
chunks, and save each chunk with positional name for easy re-assembly.

Thanks for all the help again all.

On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 7:04 AM, Alejandro Tejada capellan2...@gmail.comwrote:

Hi Mike,

Download this stack, too:

http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/alejandro/stacks/walkingman_2.zip

After you change the names of variables and controls to a
namespace familiar to your coding style, this script could
be useful and, hopefully, optimized for general use. :-D

Have a nice weekend!

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Re: Hopefully a simple question

Exactly what I was looking for, thank you again!

Alejandro, thanks for the walkingman stack, I may actually be able to wrap
my head around that one.

On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 7:56 AM, wayne durden wdur...@gmail.com wrote:

 For the part about setting up the graphic, what it sounds like you are
 after
 is typically referred to as making seamless tiles.  In many graphic
 programs
 there is an offset filter.  I think you are describing the gist, a 50%
 horizontal and vertical offset, and then you smooth out the imperfections
 along the two central axis afterwards using a clone tool, or smudge or
 blur

 There are many tutorials/explanations around once you know the term you are
 looking for..

 Here is one:

 http://www.cadtutor.net/dd/photo/seamless/seamless.html

 Wayne

 On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 9:30 AM, Mike Bonner bonnm...@gmail.com wrote:

  Thank you very much! Lots of stuff way over my head so far, but i'll
 stick
  with it till I get it.  By the way, 'wrap' is very helpful for this sort
 of
  thing.
 
  Side question, if I wanted to use aerial style photos for my tiles, there
  is
  a method to set the initial graphic up so that it will 'mesh' with itself
  on
  any edge.  This is just a simple right/left, up/down duplication with a
  reverse and flip right? (sounds like i'm describing a dive) at which
 point
  the consolidated image can be split into tile sized chunks and assigned
  locations. And while on the subject, does anyone know of a utility that
  will
  split a large image into chucks based on a grid?  Meaning cut it into
 40x40
  chunks, and save each chunk with positional name for easy re-assembly.
 
  Thanks for all the help again all.
 
 
  On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 7:04 AM, Alejandro Tejada 
 capellan2...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
  
   Hi Mike,
  
   Download this stack, too:
  
   http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/alejandro/stacks/walkingman_2.zip
  
   After you change the names of variables and controls to a
   namespace familiar to your coding style, this script could
   be useful and, hopefully, optimized for general use. :-D
  
   Have a nice weekend!
  
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Re: Scripts that are already running

Remind me, can you actually check a property of an object while a handler
that sets the property is running? It works fine when setting a variable,
but I can't make it work when repeatedly changing a property in a repeat
loop.  (I suspect it would work if it was a send in time that set the
property, correct?)


On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 9:31 AM, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.comwrote:

 On 9/24/10 8:36 AM, dunb...@aol.com wrote:

  Is there a way to interrupt, or rather, interrogate, the repeat loop?
 I
 am not talking about checking the property within that running code.


 I think what you want is:

  wait 1 millisecond with messages

 Put that into the repeat loop somewhere. It forces the engine to do all the
 same cleanup and checking as it does on idle, and will catch any pending
 messages that have happened.

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Re: Scripts that are already running

Nevermind, it works fine. Have no clue why I couldn't make it work the first
5 times I tried it.

On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 10:15 AM, Mike Bonner bonnm...@gmail.com wrote:

 Remind me, can you actually check a property of an object while a handler
 that sets the property is running? It works fine when setting a variable,
 but I can't make it work when repeatedly changing a property in a repeat
 loop.  (I suspect it would work if it was a send in time that set the
 property, correct?)



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 jac...@hyperactivesw.comwrote:

 On 9/24/10 8:36 AM, dunb...@aol.com wrote:

  Is there a way to interrupt, or rather, interrogate, the repeat loop?
 I
 am not talking about checking the property within that running code.


 I think what you want is:

  wait 1 millisecond with messages

 Put that into the repeat loop somewhere. It forces the engine to do all
 the same cleanup and checking as it does on idle, and will catch any pending
 messages that have happened.

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Re: Scripts that are already running

Isn't this what your'e asking..

Put the following script in button 1
local tRunning
on mouseUp
   if tRunning is empty then put false into tRunning
   put not tRunning into tRunning
   set the label of me to Running:   tRunning
   put 1 into tCount
   repeat while tRunning
  wait 1 millisecond with messages
  set the myProp of me to tCount
  put (tCount + 1) wrap 100 into tCount
   end repeat
end mouseUp

And this following script in button 2
local tRunning
on mouseUp
   if tRunning is empty then put false into tRunning
   put not tRunning into tRunning
   set the label of me to Scanning:   tRunning
   send checkState to me in 1 millisecond
end mouseUp

command checkstate
   if tRunning then
  if the myProp of button 1  50 then
 set the enabled of button 1 to false
  else
 set the enabled of button 1 to true
  end if
  send checkState to me in 1 millisecond

   end if
end checkstate

Click button 1 to start it looping.
Click button 2 to start it scanning.
Button 2 will toggle the state of button 1 based on the current value of
myProp with a send in time. Will it work if button 2 is a repeat loop also?
Not sure

On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 11:15 AM, dunb...@aol.com wrote:

 Jacques, et al.

 The wait with messages, which I know about, is compact and cool. But that
 code needs to reside within the running handler. As do, in their own way,
 all the other comments from everyone. For example, BonnMike notes you can
 read the state of a property while a handler is running. Certainly you can,
 but
 only from within the handler.

 I was asking if any state of the machine can be accessed from outside a
 running handler. I read from all the responses, as I thought, that it
 cannot.

 Say a variable is gettinig incremented in a repeat loop. Its state changes
 as the loop progresses. Can this state be returned to the engine from some
 externally running process, one that would be able to monitor handler
 variables on the fly. It would require, essentially, that the handler be
 interrupted continuously. I don't think this is part of the xTalk world. I
 am not sure
 about other procedural languages.

 This all came about because someone wanted a single universal watchdog on
 his stack. He had several handlers in several places, all of which could
 create a condition he wanted to act upon. So the send in time handler fit
 that
 bill. If he created yet another such handler somewhere, it would be
 covered. But it occurred to be that if the condition was met and the
 handler still
 had much to do and might take a long time to do it, then the condition
 could
 not be dealt with until that handler ends. It seemed intriguing to think
 that something could monitor, say, the state of variables, from outside the
 handler while it was running.

 Anyone think this is a useful, perhaps monumental, feature?

 Craig
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Re: Scripts that are already running

Oh, external process.  If its on osx, possible to do an appleevent check?
Like one of these in rev.
send whatyouwanttocheck to program programname

On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 11:33 AM, Mike Bonner bonnm...@gmail.com wrote:

 Isn't this what your'e asking..

 Put the following script in button 1
 local tRunning
 on mouseUp
if tRunning is empty then put false into tRunning
put not tRunning into tRunning
set the label of me to Running:   tRunning
put 1 into tCount
repeat while tRunning

   wait 1 millisecond with messages
   set the myProp of me to tCount
   put (tCount + 1) wrap 100 into tCount
end repeat
 end mouseUp

 And this following script in button 2
 local tRunning
 on mouseUp
if tRunning is empty then put false into tRunning
put not tRunning into tRunning
set the label of me to Scanning:   tRunning
send checkState to me in 1 millisecond
 end mouseUp

 command checkstate
if tRunning then
   if the myProp of button 1  50 then
  set the enabled of button 1 to false
   else
  set the enabled of button 1 to true
   end if
   send checkState to me in 1 millisecond

end if
 end checkstate

 Click button 1 to start it looping.
 Click button 2 to start it scanning.
 Button 2 will toggle the state of button 1 based on the current value of
 myProp with a send in time. Will it work if button 2 is a repeat loop also?
 Not sure


 On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 11:15 AM, dunb...@aol.com wrote:

 Jacques, et al.

 The wait with messages, which I know about, is compact and cool. But
 that
 code needs to reside within the running handler. As do, in their own way,
 all the other comments from everyone. For example, BonnMike notes you can
 read the state of a property while a handler is running. Certainly you
 can, but
 only from within the handler.

 I was asking if any state of the machine can be accessed from outside a
 running handler. I read from all the responses, as I thought, that it
 cannot.

 Say a variable is gettinig incremented in a repeat loop. Its state changes
 as the loop progresses. Can this state be returned to the engine from some
 externally running process, one that would be able to monitor handler
 variables on the fly. It would require, essentially, that the handler be
 interrupted continuously. I don't think this is part of the xTalk world. I
 am not sure
 about other procedural languages.

 This all came about because someone wanted a single universal watchdog on
 his stack. He had several handlers in several places, all of which could
 create a condition he wanted to act upon. So the send in time handler
 fit that
 bill. If he created yet another such handler somewhere, it would be
 covered. But it occurred to be that if the condition was met and the
 handler still
 had much to do and might take a long time to do it, then the condition
 could
 not be dealt with until that handler ends. It seemed intriguing to think
 that something could monitor, say, the state of variables, from outside
 the
 handler while it was running.

 Anyone think this is a useful, perhaps monumental, feature?

 Craig
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Re: LiveCode 4.5 personal licences

Hmm, looks to me like they need to adjust the desctription and that maybe it
includes livecode for web?  The price comes out the same if you build that
selection using the customize tool. (275, 99 for the first, 99 for linux and
77 for livecode web with the bundle discount.  That bundle listing surely
needs to be fixed and clarified.


On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 4:12 AM, paolo mazza mazzapaoloit...@gmail.comwrote:

 Referring to the last version  of the LIveCode store  (
 http://www.runrev.com/store/ ) , I do not understand the difference
 between
 the

 LiveCode 4.5 Desktop Mac/Win (99 $ )  licence

 and

 LiveCode 4.5 Desktop Personal (275 $ ) licence .

 *
 The difference between the 2 personal  licences is that the second licence
 allows you to deploy also to the Linux platform?
 *

 Referring to the first they  say:
 *
 *
 *
 LiveCode 4.5 Desktop Mac/Win
 Windows and Mac desktop development unlocked
 This package includes LiveCode development tools and the Windows and Mac
 desktop deployment addon.

 while, referring to the second licence they say:

 LiveCode 4.5 Desktop Personal
 Complete desktop development for the personal user
 This bundle gives you LiveCode Development Tools plus personal deployment
 to
 all desktop platforms saving you $49. Develop applications using a fast and
 easy compile-free workﬂow. Achieve project goals in a fraction of the time
 with the ability to change the interface or code while the application is
 running. So quick to learn even non-programmers can use it. Write code that
 makes sense using expressive, memorable syntax and reuse the same code
 across multiple devices. Customize your Personal license with more
 deployment options, pick from Mobile, Web and Server. This license is for
 educational and non-commercial use, all standalone executable applications
 will display a splash screen on launch stating non-commercial use only.

 All the best

 Paolo Mazza

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Re: Text File Import

2010-09-23 Thread Mike Kerner

why, do you have something that does more, Stephen?  For what we usually do
around here, this is pretty bare-bones and straightforward, but rather than
spending five hours writing it I thought I'd ask first.
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Linux Tao

2010-09-23 Thread Mike Kerner

Has anybody completed a list of the issues that we face with using RR in
Linux?

I'm in the process of taking a project that I use all the time in Windoze
and trying to port it.

To this point, things I've found are:
1) odbc
   a) have to tell RR where the specific odbc driver that i'm using is
located
   b) have to specify the database type as odbc (lowercase) instead of
ODBC (uppercase)
   c) have to insert DSN= on the front of the dsn source or RR won't be
able to talk to the driver.
2) Display
   a) Table Fields are unbelievably slow to respond e.g. clicking on a line
takes seconds to hilight
   b) The display in general seems very slow.
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Re: Text File Import

2010-09-23 Thread Mike Kerner

I'm surprised that this isn't a stock library item.  It's just a typical db
import.  No worries.  Thanks for the replies.
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Hopefully a simple question

Finally am getting back on my feet(health stuff, long story) and want to try
and learn some new things.

I'm looking at making a very simple overhead view rpg, and my thought was to
use tilesets and set the imagesource of the chars to the desired tile based
on letter. (meaing w for wall, f for floor b for building etc)  The viewport
will be a small 9x9 area with the current 'map' held in a variable.

Before I go too far down this path, does anyone have any
tips/pointers/warnings or better direction for me to go?  My thinking was
track the current position of the character against the map file, then on
move, update the char postion (which will always be centered in the
viewport) and use that to get the chars in the surounding area, lock the
screen, update the field contents with the areas text representation and set
all the image ids, then unlock.

Would a datagrid be a better method for this? With a row template of 9 tile
size images viewing 9 rows, and use fillindata to choose what imagadata to
set each row tile to.. I was thinking this might work pretty well as I will
only have to worry about the charoffset for each data row, and the datagrid
will handle which rows are displayed.

Other methods? At this point i'm not even really worried about collisions or
anything of that nature.  And  I'm still determining if the map should bind
edge to edge (making around the world trips possible)

Any and all hints would be welcome.
Thanks!
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Re: Hopefully a simple question

Pulling out sections for view is part of the plan, after experimenting more,
setting imagesource for my map is probably not on the good idea list, so
i'm going to experiment with the button idea, thank you much.  Might
experiment with the same thing in a datagrid just for practice.

Think if I store the map in an array as you suggest, I can also store
location cues like chance of random spawn, treasure level and the like.

I'm off to experiment, tyvm for your suggestions, really appreciated.

On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 7:25 PM, Monte Goulding mo...@sweattechnologies.com
 wrote:

  Would a datagrid be a better method for this? With a row template of 9
 tile
  size images viewing 9 rows, and use fillindata to choose what imagadata
 to
  set each row tile to.. I was thinking this might work pretty well as I
 will
  only have to worry about the charoffset for each data row, and the
 datagrid
  will handle which rows are displayed.

 Hi Mike

 I'd suggest using 9 transparent buttons grouped and use icons and image
 names. Then your group could have get and setprop handlers to handle
 multi-dimensional arrays.

 -- group script
 getProp map
return the customProperties[map] of me
 end map

 -- pMap is a multi-dimensional array representing your map
 -- pMap[1][1] = the top left corner
 -- btn names are 1,1.. 9,9
 setProp map pMap
repeat with tRow = 1 to 3
repeat with tColumn = 1 to 3
set the icon of btn (tRow,tColumn) to the short id
 of image pMap[tRow][tColumn]
end repeat
end repeat
set the customProperties[map] of me to pMap
 end map

 You could have a larger world map also and this 9x9 view could just display
 sections of it.

 Cheers

 --
 Monte Goulding
 M E R Goulding Software Development
 Bespoke application development for vertical markets

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Re: Hopefully a simple question

Awesome, since i'm horrible at graphic design, I was hoping to find free
tilesets, and those look really nice!

Thank you thank you.

On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 7:38 PM, wayne durden wdur...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Mike,

 I don't have anything to add with regard to organizing your game, but if
 you
 want some really spiffy graphics for tile based game design there are some
 really good free ones at the following url:

 http://lunar.lostgarden.com/labels/free%20game%20graphics.html

 For instance the set:

 Danc's Miraculously Flexible Game Prototyping TilesFound these working on a
 project with my son.

 Good luck, have fun!

 Wayne
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Re: Hopefully a simple question

3/4 view?  Same as iso view?

Oh cool, just looked up toroid (didn't know what it was believe it or not)
got a visual of how that would work now, thx!

Setting things up with buttons now, and simply using labels to mark terrain
types for the moment so I can get a basic movement system running, still
looking at graphics options.  Thanks much for your pointers.

On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 7:50 PM, Dar Scott d...@swcp.com wrote:

 You might consider using buttons, not for any button functionality, but to
 reference images.  Lay those out as you need.  They will be in the same
 coordinates as your sprites and arrows and things.  You can butt those
 against each other.  Adjust the margins if buttons have them.

 If you go to 3/4 view, tiling will still work and you can even have a
 little overlap.  Just layer them right.

 Your game world might be a toroid.  That is, left and right wrap and up and
 down wrap.

 Dar Scott


 On Sep 23, 2010, at 6:54 PM, Mike Bonner wrote:

  Finally am getting back on my feet(health stuff, long story) and want to
 try
 and learn some new things.

 I'm looking at making a very simple overhead view rpg, and my thought was
 to
 use tilesets and set the imagesource of the chars to the desired tile
 based
 on letter. (meaing w for wall, f for floor b for building etc)  The
 viewport
 will be a small 9x9 area with the current 'map' held in a variable.

 Before I go too far down this path, does anyone have any
 tips/pointers/warnings or better direction for me to go?  My thinking was
 track the current position of the character against the map file, then on
 move, update the char postion (which will always be centered in the
 viewport) and use that to get the chars in the surounding area, lock the
 screen, update the field contents with the areas text representation and
 set
 all the image ids, then unlock.

 Would a datagrid be a better method for this? With a row template of 9
 tile
 size images viewing 9 rows, and use fillindata to choose what imagadata to
 set each row tile to.. I was thinking this might work pretty well as I
 will
 only have to worry about the charoffset for each data row, and the
 datagrid
 will handle which rows are displayed.

 Other methods? At this point i'm not even really worried about collisions
 or
 anything of that nature.  And  I'm still determining if the map should
 bind
 edge to edge (making around the world trips possible)

 Any and all hints would be welcome.
 Thanks!
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