Re: [OT] Bush-like weasel words about standalone
Camels are not nice animals... Everything they do the do under protest. At night they disappear in the darkness and, because Saudi is all open range, they wander in herds of several hundred all over the country. Here's my camel story... That's how we met the herd as we were coming home from the beach one evening just after dusk. My oldest son was awake sitting in the front seat with his brother when he said, Daddy, look at all the camels in the lights. It was the lights of a power substation just off the highway. I didn't look at the lights or the camels, I immediately slammed on the brakes so hard I wrenched my back out. I knew they were crossing the road. As the van was screeching to a halt, three camels appeared in the headlights. I veered to the left and went off the road but deliberately hit the last camel in the hind end (the lightest part of the camel) because I didn't know how many were just off in the dark and I didn't want to hit the front or the middle of a camel I couldn't see - that's how people die. When we hit her (all free-range camels are females and all owned by somebody), the right front corner of the camper crumpled, she spun around, her neck stretched out and her 250 pound head came through the rear side window at about 200 miles per hour spraying broken window glass and stinking camel spit (they are ruminants) all over everything. The camel died. I got the van stopped. My oldest son (the 7 year old) jumped out and said he would go flag down a car as I pulled my youngest son (the 5 year old) out, his face a mass of blood from taking the window glass square on. We flagged down the next car, a Saudi man coming home from the beach as well. He took us directly to the clinic about 20 miles away and the doctor pulled out 214 pieces of glass from my youngest son's face and 121 pieces from my oldest son's face. Other than their faces and my back, we were not hurt. The doctor said this was the first camel collision he had seen where the occupants of the car were not all killed. Camels are a horse on stilts and so many times on the side of the road in Saudi we saw cars were the body of the camel was inside the car and the feet were sticking out the front window. My 7 year old son saved our lives and, as I said in my last email, he now has the van and is removing the last vestiges of the camel's butt print 23 years later. He also found more glass shards... Jim on 12/24/05 1:45 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: Jim, That sounds like a wonderful history. You know when a friend of mine died I was 'given' a camel in the will but no one could 'find' the camel so I did not get it. Long story there but anyway I am glad I didn't since I now have no place to keep it. I was given the Farm and sadly have to sell it to pay off his debts. Camels, VWs, DJs, and Revolution. Who'd a thunk it... Tom On Dec 24, 2005, at 11:46 AM, Jim Carwardine wrote: Sorry forgot the [OT]... Jim on 12/24/05 12:29 PM, Jim Carwardine wrote: Here's a personal VW bus story... I bought my 74 Type 2 camper in Saudi Arabia in 1978. It had been purchased in Holland in 74 and driven back to Dhahran. It was then purchased in 75 by a Pakistani friend who took it to Mecca on the Hajj. I then bought it, drove it for the next 10 years in Saudi, camping at the beach in it most weekends with my 2 small sons (4 2). When it came time to leave Saudi, I said I would sell it, but my oldest son protested. He said it was his brother and I couldn't sell it. So I leased a container and shipped it back to Canada. Now 15 years later, my oldest son, now 31, still has it and is rebuilding it... Jim PS... We (and it) survived a collision with a camel coming home from the beach one weekend... on 12/21/05 11:18 PM, Scott Kane wrote: P.S. I love my VW Bus (72 Transporter converted into a Camper Bus). I've got a 76 in bright orange. It's rather a good workhorse (I DJ on weekends and use it for the sound etc). Scott ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- OYF is... Highly resourceful people working together. http://www.OwnYourFuture-net.com Own Your Future Consulting Services Limited, 1959 Lower Water Street, Suite 1700, Halifax, Nova Scotia. B3J 3N2 Phone: 902-823-2339. Fax: 902-823-2139 What¹s New... * Have you ever hired an employee who didn¹t work out? * Did you do that on purpose? Probably not... If you want to greatly improve your hiring process, check out our new hiring process... www.HiringSmart.ca/ns http://www.hiringsmart.ca/ns and... www.KeepingTheBest.ca/ns http://www.keepingthebest.ca/ns ___ use-revolution mailing list
Re: Bush-like weasel words about standalone
Here's a personal VW bus story... I bought my 74 Type 2 camper in Saudi Arabia in 1978. It had been purchased in Holland in 74 and driven back to Dhahran. It was then purchased in 75 by a Pakistani friend who took it to Mecca on the Hajj. I then bought it, drove it for the next 10 years in Saudi, camping at the beach in it most weekends with my 2 small sons (4 2). When it came time to leave Saudi, I said I would sell it, but my oldest son protested. He said it was his brother and I couldn't sell it. So I leased a container and shipped it back to Canada. Now 15 years later, my oldest son, now 31, still has it and is rebuilding it... Jim PS... We (and it) survived a collision with a camel coming home from the beach one weekend... on 12/21/05 11:18 PM, Scott Kane wrote: P.S. I love my VW Bus (72 Transporter converted into a Camper Bus). I've got a 76 in bright orange. It's rather a good workhorse (I DJ on weekends and use it for the sound etc). Scott ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- OYF is... Highly resourceful people working together. http://www.OwnYourFuture-net.com Own Your Future Consulting Services Limited, 1959 Lower Water Street, Suite 1700, Halifax, Nova Scotia. B3J 3N2 Phone: 902-823-2339. Fax: 902-823-2139 What¹s New... * Have you ever hired an employee who didn¹t work out? * Did you do that on purpose? Probably not... If you want to greatly improve your hiring process, check out our new hiring process... www.HiringSmart.ca/ns http://www.hiringsmart.ca/ns and... www.KeepingTheBest.ca/ns http://www.keepingthebest.ca/ns ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Bush-like weasel words about standalone
Sorry forgot the [OT]... Jim on 12/24/05 12:29 PM, Jim Carwardine wrote: Here's a personal VW bus story... I bought my 74 Type 2 camper in Saudi Arabia in 1978. It had been purchased in Holland in 74 and driven back to Dhahran. It was then purchased in 75 by a Pakistani friend who took it to Mecca on the Hajj. I then bought it, drove it for the next 10 years in Saudi, camping at the beach in it most weekends with my 2 small sons (4 2). When it came time to leave Saudi, I said I would sell it, but my oldest son protested. He said it was his brother and I couldn't sell it. So I leased a container and shipped it back to Canada. Now 15 years later, my oldest son, now 31, still has it and is rebuilding it... Jim PS... We (and it) survived a collision with a camel coming home from the beach one weekend... on 12/21/05 11:18 PM, Scott Kane wrote: P.S. I love my VW Bus (72 Transporter converted into a Camper Bus). I've got a 76 in bright orange. It's rather a good workhorse (I DJ on weekends and use it for the sound etc). Scott ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- OYF is... Highly resourceful people working together. http://www.OwnYourFuture-net.com Own Your Future Consulting Services Limited, 1959 Lower Water Street, Suite 1700, Halifax, Nova Scotia. B3J 3N2 Phone: 902-823-2339. Fax: 902-823-2139 What¹s New... * Have you ever hired an employee who didn¹t work out? * Did you do that on purpose? Probably not... If you want to greatly improve your hiring process, check out our new hiring process... www.HiringSmart.ca/ns http://www.hiringsmart.ca/ns and... www.KeepingTheBest.ca/ns http://www.keepingthebest.ca/ns ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Bush-like weasel words about standalone
Jim, That sounds like a wonderful history. You know when a friend of mine died I was 'given' a camel in the will but no one could 'find' the camel so I did not get it. Long story there but anyway I am glad I didn't since I now have no place to keep it. I was given the Farm and sadly have to sell it to pay off his debts. Camels, VWs, DJs, and Revolution. Who'd a thunk it... Tom On Dec 24, 2005, at 11:46 AM, Jim Carwardine wrote: Sorry forgot the [OT]... Jim on 12/24/05 12:29 PM, Jim Carwardine wrote: Here's a personal VW bus story... I bought my 74 Type 2 camper in Saudi Arabia in 1978. It had been purchased in Holland in 74 and driven back to Dhahran. It was then purchased in 75 by a Pakistani friend who took it to Mecca on the Hajj. I then bought it, drove it for the next 10 years in Saudi, camping at the beach in it most weekends with my 2 small sons (4 2). When it came time to leave Saudi, I said I would sell it, but my oldest son protested. He said it was his brother and I couldn't sell it. So I leased a container and shipped it back to Canada. Now 15 years later, my oldest son, now 31, still has it and is rebuilding it... Jim PS... We (and it) survived a collision with a camel coming home from the beach one weekend... on 12/21/05 11:18 PM, Scott Kane wrote: P.S. I love my VW Bus (72 Transporter converted into a Camper Bus). I've got a 76 in bright orange. It's rather a good workhorse (I DJ on weekends and use it for the sound etc). Scott ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Re: Bush-like weasel words about standalone, now micro-busses
Chipp, Somehow, I can see you driving that. I'm thinking of letting my daughter have mine to put around in. Many passengers grabbed the front hand rail while pulling up to the car in front of us since they were so used to having more 'car' up there. I loved the look on most peoples faces when I would pull up close. Also doing 60 on the highway and 'floating' left and right would scare most people the first time. Tom On Dec 23, 2005, at 1:50 AM, Chipp Walters wrote: I drove a 66 white on white VW bus in grad school. It had the rollback top, and the elevator windows. My dad bought it new in '66 and it was still going strong in 80-83 when I drove it. Couldn't believe there was only 1/16 of metal between me and the car in front! -Chipp ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Thomas J McGrath III [EMAIL PROTECTED] Semantic Compaction Systems SCIconics, LLC Lazy River Metal Arts Lazy River Software™ Meeting Wear™ - Unique Apparel Design ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Bush-like weasel words about standalone
Classic was notorious for being very, very difficult to manage memory in. Who would have thought that an OS should require users to understand memory allocation and manually adjust it? Glad that silliness is long behind us DOS and Windows 3.1 had the same issues. Scott ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Re: Bush-like weasel words about standalone, now micro-busses
I had a wonderful '72 myself. Blue lower and mid with a white top. Had the slide back roof. Was perfect for the 4th when we'd go down to the water front to watch the fireworks. Slide the top back, throw the kids up top and let them watch the show. :-) But as I grew older, I got tired of constantly taping the air hoses or replacing them, so sold the bus and beat myself with Fiat cars for a few years. Now I spend more time with my Mac Mini and have the wife or kids get what I need from the store so I don't have to leave my Mac Mini alone. :-) Not sure what we have for a car(s) these days. Might have to poke my head out the front door one of these days and see what's up with that ;-) -Garrett On Dec 21, 2005, at 8:55 PM, John Vokey wrote: I loved my 1959 VW micro-bus (split windscreen, etc.), and my subsequent 1969 VW [snip] y micro-bus) for many years... On 21-Dec-05, at 7:36 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: P.S. I love my VW Bus (72 Transporter converted into a Camper Bus). Wish I had an OS for it, that would be cool. [snip] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Bush-like weasel words about standalone
Scott Kane wrote: I would pesume they use an intermediary file format, like the HQX option I mentioned earlier, as Windows has no resource fork. If RB has found a way to coerce the Windows OS into handling resource forks I'd be interested in learning more. It's about the only thing it does nicely. Otherwise my experience of it, compared to the stability of Rev, is that it's junk. I still use Delphi for Windows app's, but I use Rev for OSX and *nix. RB app's compiled for Classic, in my limited experience, have had massive memory management issues, espeicially with database work. Classic was notorious for being very, very difficult to manage memory in. Who would have thought that an OS should require users to understand memory allocation and manually adjust it? Glad that silliness is long behind us -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal ___ Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Bush-like weasel words about standalone
Les Harris wrote: If RB has found a way to coerce the Windows OS into handling resource forks I'd be interested in learning more. Its nothing too exciting. Visual Studio employs the same method. You have resource file foo.res. After compilation you link foo.res into the main executable. :) IF Visual Studio does it, we're talking about a different animal: while resource *files* are common on other systems, only Mac OS has a dual file system which supports a resource *fork*: http://developer.apple.com/documentation/macos8/Files/ResourceManager/resourcemanager.html To make a Mac Classic application on any other OS will require some additional step done on a Mac to make it run. Fortunately it won't matter much longer: the MacTels are almost here, so the days of Classic are numbered -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal ___ Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Bush-like weasel words about standalone
Preston, I second this, you really need a test machine (as well as one to do builds on properly) for all the platforms you are intending to ship with. Also if you are aiming at os9 you should also test on an os9 native machine, just to be sure all things are kosher. I had a strange problem with an earlier version of rev with the classic build. its a pain, but there is no real substitute to testing on the platform that you intend to deploy on. I know thats a pain, but if you plan to have folks use your stuff its just the way that you need to do things in order to make sure your software functions as you designed it and doesn't leave your users blowing in the wind. I just shipped a cd with win, osx and os9 rev apps with rev and all was great with them, in the end there were no platform specific bugs that cropped up. OS9 is still alive and kicking (and will be for some time) in the education environment, especially in the K-6 world, where they dont get the same level of funding for upgrading as there is in the higher levels. cheers, jeff reynolds On Dec 22, 2005, at 4:07 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Preston- If you really really need to target the Mac OS you will need an OSX machine in any event in order to make sure that things don't go wonky when you're running in Classic mode. It's been quite a while since I've had any reason to target OS9 for a build. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
[OT] Re: Bush-like weasel words about standalone,
well for me my first car was a 64 vw bug that i totally rebuilt a few times. so cool to order any body, engine, or other part for hardly anything and have them show up in the mail in a few days and with a small tool set replace just about anything. always looked longingly at friends vw busses. the same time i got the bug (given to me by a grad student friend when she graduated), I also got my first mac, a good old mac plus. This was a procession of mac (almost one of every flavor over the years) that fit into me in the same way the bug did. well now days its the civic hybrid and prius and a powermac, not the same old funky things, but they still feel sorta the same in a philosophical way... cheers, jeff On Dec 22, 2005, at 10:46 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had a wonderful '72 myself. Blue lower and mid with a white top. Had the slide back roof. Was perfect for the 4th when we'd go down to the water front to watch the fireworks. Slide the top back, throw the kids up top and let them watch the show. :-) But as I grew older, I got tired of constantly taping the air hoses or replacing them, so sold the bus and beat myself with Fiat cars for a few years. Now I spend more time with my Mac Mini and have the wife or kids get what I need from the store so I don't have to leave my Mac Mini alone. :-) Not sure what we have for a car(s) these days. Might have to poke my head out the front door one of these days and see what's up with that ;-) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Re: Bush-like weasel words about standalone, now micro-busses
John, I just loved the split window VWs. I replaced the engine in mine four times in 15 years. Tom On Dec 21, 2005, at 11:55 PM, John Vokey wrote: I loved my 1959 VW micro-bus (split windscreen, etc.), and my subsequent 1969 VW Transporter/Camper Bus with the pop-top and extra canopy bed. Both died from the dreaded thrown 3rd cylinder. The 1969 transporter managed to leave a 5-metre strip of rubber as the engine ceased---quite impressive! The 1959 had been through so many engines, transmissions, and just about everything else (the body had been modified in a body-shop to make it a true ``hippie- van''--including the wild paint job) that, at the last, it was thought preferable to let it just die a graceful death. The 1969 was subsequently used as an office on oil drill site (the gas heater, although flaky otherwise, proved a reliable heater for a stationary micro-bus) for many years... On 21-Dec-05, at 7:36 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: P.S. I love my VW Bus (72 Transporter converted into a Camper Bus). Wish I had an OS for it, that would be cool. You *are* the OS for it. Those were the good old days. Charles -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html -Dr. John R. Vokey ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Thomas J McGrath III [EMAIL PROTECTED] Semantic Compaction Systems SCIconics, LLC Lazy River Metal Arts Lazy River Software™ Meeting Wear™ - Unique Apparel Design ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Re: Bush-like weasel words about standalone, now micro-busses
garrett, Mine was blue and white too. I cut my own top to put on a camper top I picked up. I used mine for fishing trips to sleep in and for painting trips. Memories... Tom On Dec 22, 2005, at 5:27 AM, Garrett Hylltun wrote: had a wonderful '72 myself. Blue lower and mid with a white top. Had the slide back roof. Thomas J McGrath III [EMAIL PROTECTED] Semantic Compaction Systems SCIconics, LLC Lazy River Metal Arts Lazy River Software™ Meeting Wear™ - Unique Apparel Design ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Re: Bush-like weasel words about standalone, now micro-busses
I drove a 66 white on white VW bus in grad school. It had the rollback top, and the elevator windows. My dad bought it new in '66 and it was still going strong in 80-83 when I drove it. Couldn't believe there was only 1/16 of metal between me and the car in front! -Chipp ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Bush-like weasel words about standalone
The Revolution Website promises: Revolution allows you to create true standalone applications for any of the major platforms - Windows, Linux, Unix, Mac OS X and Classic. Develop on the operating system of your choice and preview the look and feel of your target platform. Develop Linux and Unix applications on Windows, develop Windows applications on Mac OS X - you have total flexibility over where you develop and where you deliver. And when you deliver, you don't incur additional license or royalty fees - maximising your revenue and pricing flexibility, while minimising your administration. .. so, imagine my dismay when, having bought the product, spent a month learning to use it (sorta) and having developed my project as a standalone, I discovered from the conference on standalones that: Note that the Mac OS option will not be available if you are running on Windows or Linux. Due to the way MacOS works, you can only build MacOS standalones using a Macintosh, though you can do it under Mac OS X if you like. I went back to the sweeping assertions and noticed that Develop Linux and Unix applications on Windows, develop Windows applications on Mac doesn't say you can develop Mac standalones on Windows - only that one can preview the look and feel. Like weapons of mass destruction related program activities, one has to look carefully to find out what it means by what it says. OK, I should have known better. I'm not really even sore. But I would like to know what I'm going to have to do to make a standalone for the Earth Shoe and VW Bus OS. I've tried the Rev. docs (Ha! I should have known after a month of ownership) and the otherwise admirable Rev.net on-line. Can anyone point me in the right direction? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Bush-like weasel words about standalone
Preston, I'm not sure if you are talking about Mac Classic or Mac OSX. If the latter then a standalone for OSX and *nix can be built using the Windows version, the *nix version and on OSX - and so forth. Mac Classic, however is a dead as a door nail. Backwards compatibility becomes harder to maintain as time goes on. Cheers Scott ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Bush-like weasel words about standalone
On 12/21/05 7:12 PM, Preston Shea [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But I would like to know what I'm going to have to do to make a standalone for the Earth Shoe and VW Bus OS. I assume you're using the virus-riddled and managed-by-the-monkey-boy OS? ;-) Well, apart from the obvious response (buy a Mac), the only other way I know of would be to have a friend who has a Mac build the standalone for you. Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Bush-like weasel words about standalone
Preston Shea wrote: I went back to the sweeping assertions and noticed that Develop Linux and Unix applications on Windows, develop Windows applications on Mac doesn't say you can develop Mac standalones on Windows - only that one can preview the look and feel. Like weapons of mass destruction related program activities, one has to look carefully to find out what it means by what it says. I suspect you've never used OS 9, right? You'll find that no other OS can create Classic apps either. OS 9 had a file structure unique to itself, and other operating systems don't support it. Mac OS X can emulate it, for now, but next year when Apple stops supporting Classic, who knows? It's one of those things that anyone who has used OS 9 wouldn't think twice about; sort of like how I don't expect my parrot to like my canary, even though they're both birds. Self-evident if you've been there, but I suppose not so clear to the Mac naifs. Now if you plan to build for Mac OS X, you can do that fine on Windows. Apple ditched the proprietary file structure for that OS. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Bush-like weasel words about standalone
Preston, OS9 is only build-able on an OS9-X machine but OSX is build-able on Windows so if you really get stuck and need an OS9 build I am sure someone on the list who has a mac can help out. I will if you really need OS9. I am assuming however that what you really need and want is OSX. OS9 is on it's death bed and not really worth the investment to develop for. Let us know what you really want and what your plans are??? P.S. I love my VW Bus (72 Transporter converted into a Camper Bus). Wish I had an OS for it, that would be cool. Tom McGrath On Dec 21, 2005, at 8:12 PM, Preston Shea wrote: The Revolution Website promises: I went back to the sweeping assertions and noticed that Develop Linux and Unix applications on Windows, develop Windows applications on Mac doesn't say you can develop Mac standalones on Windows - only that one can preview the look and feel. Like weapons of mass destruction related program activities, one has to look carefully to find out what it means by what it says. OK, I should have known better. I'm not really even sore. But I would like to know what I'm going to have to do to make a standalone for the Earth Shoe and VW Bus OS. I've tried the Rev. docs (Ha! I should have known after a month of ownership) and the otherwise admirable Rev.net on-line. Can anyone point me in the right direction? ___ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Bush-like weasel words about standalone
On Dec 21, 2005, at 9:58 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: P.S. I love my VW Bus (72 Transporter converted into a Camper Bus). Wish I had an OS for it, that would be cool. You *are* the OS for it. Those were the good old days. Charles ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Bush-like weasel words about standalone
Charles, Then Duct tape and Alligator Clips are the main development tools. Hey, that gives me an idea. A Duct tape tool for the computer. Pretty cool. The biggest problem is finding parts to keep the VW running. But I love it. Tom On Dec 21, 2005, at 10:04 PM, Charles Hartman wrote: On Dec 21, 2005, at 9:58 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: P.S. I love my VW Bus (72 Transporter converted into a Camper Bus). Wish I had an OS for it, that would be cool. You *are* the OS for it. Those were the good old days. Charles ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Thomas J McGrath III [EMAIL PROTECTED] Semantic Compaction Systems SCIconics, LLC Lazy River Metal Arts Lazy River Software™ Meeting Wear™ - Unique Apparel Design ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Bush-like weasel words about standalone
P.S. I love my VW Bus (72 Transporter converted into a Camper Bus). I've got a 76 in bright orange. It's rather a good workhorse (I DJ on weekends and use it for the sound etc). Scott ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Bush-like weasel words about standalone
Hmmm. Preston - you aren't that new here, you've been posting since 11/05. You have just noticed this? If you are dissing the so-called Earth Shoe and VW Bus OS why should you care to develop for it at all? Furthermore, it's just the development for OS 9, not OSX, that is affected. Look, Rev is a great tool to help bridge 'platform bigotry' and it's always recommended to have an Enterprise License and a machine running the IDE for every platform for testing and final tweaking. It's absurd to expect the level perfection you seem to want from this software. The fact is that Rev has made it a hell of a lot easier to develop cross-platform applications than any other product that I've seen. sqb The Revolution Website promises: Revolution allows you to create true standalone applications for any of the major platforms - Windows, Linux, Unix, Mac OS X and Classic. Develop on the operating system of your choice and preview the look and feel of your target platform. Develop Linux and Unix applications on Windows, develop Windows applications on Mac OS X - you have total flexibility over where you develop and where you deliver. And when you deliver, you don't incur additional license or royalty fees - maximising your revenue and pricing flexibility, while minimising your administration. .. so, imagine my dismay when, having bought the product, spent a month learning to use it (sorta) and having developed my project as a standalone, I discovered from the conference on standalones that: Note that the Mac OS option will not be available if you are running on Windows or Linux. Due to the way MacOS works, you can only build MacOS standalones using a Macintosh, though you can do it under Mac OS X if you like. I went back to the sweeping assertions and noticed that Develop Linux and Unix applications on Windows, develop Windows applications on Mac doesn't say you can develop Mac standalones on Windows - only that one can preview the look and feel. Like weapons of mass destruction related program activities, one has to look carefully to find out what it means by what it says. OK, I should have known better. I'm not really even sore. But I would like to know what I'm going to have to do to make a standalone for the Earth Shoe and VW Bus OS. I've tried the Rev. docs (Ha! I should have known after a month of ownership) and the otherwise admirable Rev.net on-line. Can anyone point me in the right direction? -- stephen barncard s a n f r a n c i s c o - - - - - - - - - - - - ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Bush-like weasel words about standalone
Preston- If you really really need to target the Mac OS you will need an OSX machine in any event in order to make sure that things don't go wonky when you're running in Classic mode. It's been quite a while since I've had any reason to target OS9 for a build. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Bush-like weasel words about standalone
Jacque- I suspect you've never used OS 9, right? You'll find that no other OS can create Classic apps either. OS 9 had a file structure unique to Well, HyperNext has supposedly figured out how to do it. Not that I think it's worth putting a lot of research time into nor that I think it's a worthwhile goal, but it's not in the perpetual motion physical impossibility category. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Bush-like weasel words about standalone
Mark Wieder wrote: I suspect you've never used OS 9, right? You'll find that no other OS can create Classic apps either. OS 9 had a file structure unique to Well, HyperNext has supposedly figured out how to do it. I believe HN generates to an intermediate format, perhaps HQX, which is then reassembled when brought over to the Mac. Since Win has no resource fork, generating a traditional Mac Classic app (in which main is in a 'CODE' resource) isn't possible on OSes that don't support resource forks. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Bush-like weasel words about standalone
Since Win has no resource fork, generating a traditional Mac Classic app (in which main is in a 'CODE' resource) isn't possible on OSes that don't support resource forks. Actually - RealBasic does it... Scott ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
[OT] Re: Bush-like weasel words about standalone, now micro-busses
I loved my 1959 VW micro-bus (split windscreen, etc.), and my subsequent 1969 VW Transporter/Camper Bus with the pop-top and extra canopy bed. Both died from the dreaded thrown 3rd cylinder. The 1969 transporter managed to leave a 5-metre strip of rubber as the engine ceased---quite impressive! The 1959 had been through so many engines, transmissions, and just about everything else (the body had been modified in a body-shop to make it a true ``hippie-van''-- including the wild paint job) that, at the last, it was thought preferable to let it just die a graceful death. The 1969 was subsequently used as an office on oil drill site (the gas heater, although flaky otherwise, proved a reliable heater for a stationary micro-bus) for many years... On 21-Dec-05, at 7:36 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: P.S. I love my VW Bus (72 Transporter converted into a Camper Bus). Wish I had an OS for it, that would be cool. You *are* the OS for it. Those were the good old days. Charles -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html -Dr. John R. Vokey ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Bush-like weasel words about standalone
Scott Kane wrote: Since Win has no resource fork, generating a traditional Mac Classic app (in which main is in a 'CODE' resource) isn't possible on OSes that don't support resource forks. Actually - RealBasic does it... How? I would pesume they use an intermediary file format, like the HQX option I mentioned earlier, as Windows has no resource fork. If RB has found a way to coerce the Windows OS into handling resource forks I'd be interested in learning more. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Bush-like weasel words about standalone
How? As a bin file. I assume that's similar to HQX, I'm cutting new ground (for me) on Mac's. I would pesume they use an intermediary file format, like the HQX option I mentioned earlier, as Windows has no resource fork. If RB has found a way to coerce the Windows OS into handling resource forks I'd be interested in learning more. It's about the only thing it does nicely. Otherwise my experience of it, compared to the stability of Rev, is that it's junk. I still use Delphi for Windows app's, but I use Rev for OSX and *nix. RB app's compiled for Classic, in my limited experience, have had massive memory management issues, espeicially with database work. Scott ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Bush-like weasel words about standalone
If RB has found a way to coerce the Windows OS into handling resource forks I'd be interested in learning more. Its nothing too exciting. Visual Studio employs the same method. You have resource file foo.res. After compilation you link foo.res into the main executable. :) Les ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
