Re: Importing gMail
Message: 12 Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 14:33:36 -0700 From: Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net Subject: Re: Importing gMail To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Message-ID: 31177063531.20090816143...@ahsoftware.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Jim- ...and speaking of squaring the circle, I just came across Bradford Hansen-Smith's work: http://www.wholemovement.com/ -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net Mark, Amazing work. I used to be able to fold a box. You fold and fold and eventually blow into a little crease and voila: a Box. Doing these folds is hypnotic work. Perhaps a little hyperbole? (No pun intended.) Hanse-Smith wrote: Everything that happens in this first is principle to all subsequent folding of the circle and is basic to the development of mathematics. Even more hyperbolic for an upcoming program on PBS this week: NOVA tells the dramatic story of a group of pioneering mathematicians who developed fractals from a curiosity that few took seriously to an approach that is touching nearly every branch of understanding. Jim Hurley ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Importing gMail
Jim- ...and speaking of squaring the circle, I just came across Bradford Hansen-Smith's work: http://www.wholemovement.com/ -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Importing gMail?
I would look no further than the revMedia demo site and download the code that (I think) Bill Marriot did for conducting an on line poll. At least it's a good starting point. len morgan James Hurley wrote: It looks like you're trying to do a survey. Perhaps there's a better way than simple email responses. If you have on-rev you could make a form that collects response and allows only one vote per IP. It could keep the tally in a simple text file. Not idiot proof but fine for a small group. You should be able to do the same thing using the plugin. And yes, you could make a thing that gathers emails, but it would have to allow 1 vote per email, and write some kind of form to work inside the email. A lot more trouble, IMHO than making a simple web page. - Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://barncard.com End of use-revolution Digest, Vol 71, Issue 25 ** Stephen, You are probably right about using doing this on the web. I'm not concerned about duplicate voting. This really a query about how people in the neighborhood are dealing with the fire insurance problem. I live in the Sierra Nevada foothills and as you know, California's rural areas burn down every summer and insurance is getting to be a problem. The responses will be open ended narratives, so the reply windows need to scroll. I'm afraid my Web skill may not be up to the task. I need to work on this, particularly how to get the responses returned to me. Thanks for your advice. Jim Hurley ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Importing gMail?
On 14/8/09 01:15, James Hurley wrote: I'm thinking of sending a query (kind of an open ended survey) via gMail to members of my neighborhood association. I'm expecting a couple hundred replies. Is there some way to import the responses into Rev programatically for subsequent processing? I've come to believe that there is nothing that members of this list cannot do. Is this a bridge too far? Indicating once again how many ways there are to skin cats - when I've done this sort of thing, I've used my standard mail client (whatever it happened to be at the time) to collect the email responses (ie using it's own rules/filtering system to collect the relevant emails into a particular folder); then used Rev to analyse the emails to derive whatever the statistics or results I was after. Of course, you can configure your mail client to retrieve your gmail mail. Depending on the mail client, I used to use AppleScript to get mail out of first Outlook; and then Entourage; now I use Thunderbird, which makes it even easier because each mail folder is a single text file with a simple and well documented format. (Apple Mail, which I think you use, I believe keeps each email in a separate text file, in a folder structure representing your folders.) An alternative, not involving Rev at all, would be to use on of the many free web services available. I've used doodle.com for some things, which is excellent for collating responses from a relatively small group choosing between alternatives, where everyone's response is seen. But for larger groups, or where you want anonymous replies, a quick Google suggests tons of sites offering to host polls. I suspect many of them are for embedding into your blog etc, but there must be some which like Doodle host the whole thing. - Ben ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Importing gMail?
On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 10:15 AM, James Hurleyjhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net wrote: I'm thinking of sending a query (kind of an open ended survey) via gMail to members of my neighborhood association. I'm expecting a couple hundred replies. Is there some way to import the responses into Rev programatically for subsequent processing? I've come to believe that there is nothing that members of this list cannot do. Is this a bridge too far? Hi Jim, I was going to suggest enabling Gmail's POP access and using my POP library to get the emails, but after checking, I see Gmail's POP uses SSL on port 995 which my library does not do. However you can set up Gmail to forward all emails to another address and if you use one with standard POP access, then you can certainly use my POP library as the basis for an email reader. You can download the library and a sample stack from http://www.troz.net/rev/. Cheers, Sarah Sarah, That is just terrific. This will be a valuable tool for me. Thank you so much. In this new Rev campaign let's not overlook the value of the English- like dialog on this list--works at least for Australian and American. However, there is something strange going on here (Mac OS 10.5.8 and Rev. 3.5 and 4) with your POP Library. When I click Check mail your stack begins to download emails from my Mac Mail account (from which I have forwarded my gMails). It begins with: Reading message 1 of 72, and them moves on to message 2 etc. until it reaches message 30 when it stops reading briefly and begins all over again from message 1. The only way to stop this is to close the stack. I should be able to debug this but I have no idea what is going on. This stuff is way over my head. Little help please. Also, in looking through your scripts, I would like to be able to insert a conditional statement to download only email with a specific subject but I can't see where to inset this. Is this possible? Not critical; this can be done after the fact. Thanks again. Very helpful! My conviction that anything is possible from this list is sustained. (I've been working on squaring the circle. Any ideas anybody?) Jim Hurley (By the way, the stack opens with the Read emails button disabled. Maybe a card script: On opencard \ set the disabled of button Read emails to false \ end opencard.) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Importing gMail?
inclusão digital é uma merda... eu digo, so falem mal do chefe entre amigos, na casa e algum deles, com as portas fechadas e nenhum computador ou celular ligado... On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 3:29 PM, James Hurley jhurley0...@sbcglobal.netwrote: On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 10:15 AM, James Hurleyjhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net wrote: I'm thinking of sending a query (kind of an open ended survey) via gMail to members of my neighborhood association. I'm expecting a couple hundred replies. Is there some way to import the responses into Rev programatically for subsequent processing? I've come to believe that there is nothing that members of this list cannot do. Is this a bridge too far? Hi Jim, I was going to suggest enabling Gmail's POP access and using my POP library to get the emails, but after checking, I see Gmail's POP uses SSL on port 995 which my library does not do. However you can set up Gmail to forward all emails to another address and if you use one with standard POP access, then you can certainly use my POP library as the basis for an email reader. You can download the library and a sample stack from http://www.troz.net/rev/. Cheers, Sarah Sarah, That is just terrific. This will be a valuable tool for me. Thank you so much. In this new Rev campaign let's not overlook the value of the English-like dialog on this list--works at least for Australian and American. However, there is something strange going on here (Mac OS 10.5.8 and Rev. 3.5 and 4) with your POP Library. When I click Check mail your stack begins to download emails from my Mac Mail account (from which I have forwarded my gMails). It begins with: Reading message 1 of 72, and them moves on to message 2 etc. until it reaches message 30 when it stops reading briefly and begins all over again from message 1. The only way to stop this is to close the stack. I should be able to debug this but I have no idea what is going on. This stuff is way over my head. Little help please. Also, in looking through your scripts, I would like to be able to insert a conditional statement to download only email with a specific subject but I can't see where to inset this. Is this possible? Not critical; this can be done after the fact. Thanks again. Very helpful! My conviction that anything is possible from this list is sustained. (I've been working on squaring the circle. Any ideas anybody?) Jim Hurley (By the way, the stack opens with the Read emails button disabled. Maybe a card script: On opencard \ set the disabled of button Read emails to false \ end opencard.) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Importing gMail?
Hi Andre, inclusão digital é uma merda... eu digo, so falem mal do chefe entre amigos, na casa e algum deles, com as portas fechadas e nenhum computador ou celular ligado... Yeah, and the same to you, buddy! :-D Best Klaus -- Klaus Major http://www.major-k.de kl...@major.on-rev.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Importing gMail?
oops, wrong reply button... Basically I was answering an email on how someone got fired by saying all nasty things of her boss and accidently sending it to him. Well, I just sent the email to the wrong people too... On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 5:15 PM, Klaus on-rev kl...@major.on-rev.comwrote: Hi Andre, inclusão digital é uma merda... eu digo, so falem mal do chefe entre amigos, na casa e algum deles, com as portas fechadas e nenhum computador ou celular ligado... Yeah, and the same to you, buddy! :-D Best Klaus -- Klaus Major http://www.major-k.de kl...@major.on-rev.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Importing gMail?
Recently, James Hurley wrote: My conviction that anything is possible from this list is sustained. (I've been working on squaring the circle. Any ideas anybody?) What do you mean by squaring? If you're trying to morph a circle into a square, create the circle by starting with a roundrect graphic whose roundradius is set to its diameter. When the roundradius of the graphic is decreased, the circle will become a square. Maybe this isn't what you're after, but it's one version squaring. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia Design ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Importing gMail
Recently, James Hurley wrote: My conviction that anything is possible from this list is sustained. (I've been working on squaring the circle. Any ideas anybody?) What do you mean by squaring? If you're trying to morph a circle into a square, create the circle by starting with a roundrect graphic whose roundradius is set to its diameter. When the roundradius of the graphic is decreased, the circle will become a square. Maybe this isn't what you're after, but it's one version squaring. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia Design Scott, Actually, Scott, I was trying to be funny. I get into more trouble that way. Squaring the circle was a classic problem for Greek geometers. The problem was to use only the canonical geometrical tools (compass and straight edge) to construct a square with the same area as a given circle. It was all the rage in its day. It was the equivalent in its day of the present day problem to proving Fermat's last theorem. Except that that has recently been proven--took over a HUNDRED PAGES. It was subsequently proven that squaring the circle is impossible. Has something to do with the fact that pi is a transcendental number and not simply an irrational number. But I like your construction. See, I was right. Nothing is past the skills of the Rev list. Rev should use this in their promotional material for the new Rev Media. That is at least as important as the English-like Rev Talk. Let's give it a name: List Talk Jim Hurley ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Importing gMail
Jim- Friday, August 14, 2009, 11:10:33 AM, you wrote: something to do with the fact that pi is a transcendental number and not simply an irrational number. Reminds me of my favorite equation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euler%27s_identity -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Importing gMail?
It looks like you're trying to do a survey. Perhaps there's a better way than simple email responses. If you have on-rev you could make a form that collects response and allows only one vote per IP. It could keep the tally in a simple text file. Not idiot proof but fine for a small group. You should be able to do the same thing using the plugin. And yes, you could make a thing that gathers emails, but it would have to allow 1 vote per email, and write some kind of form to work inside the email. A lot more trouble, IMHO than making a simple web page. - Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://barncard.com End of use-revolution Digest, Vol 71, Issue 25 ** Stephen, You are probably right about using doing this on the web. I'm not concerned about duplicate voting. This really a query about how people in the neighborhood are dealing with the fire insurance problem. I live in the Sierra Nevada foothills and as you know, California's rural areas burn down every summer and insurance is getting to be a problem. The responses will be open ended narratives, so the reply windows need to scroll. I'm afraid my Web skill may not be up to the task. I need to work on this, particularly how to get the responses returned to me. Thanks for your advice. Jim Hurley ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Importing gMail?
However, there is something strange going on here (Mac OS 10.5.8 and Rev. 3.5 and 4) with your POP Library. When I click Check mail your stack begins to download emails from my Mac Mail account (from which I have forwarded my gMails). It begins with: Reading message 1 of 72, and them moves on to message 2 etc. until it reaches message 30 when it stops reading briefly and begins all over again from message 1. Have a look at the checkForEmails handler in the Read Emails button. The problem I am trying to avoid is that when you tell a POP server to delete an email, it doesn't do it right away, but waits until the connection is closed. This means that if you are reading email #999 out of 1000 and the connection fails, all those 999 emails have to be re-read. So I read 30 at a time and then close the connection. If there were more than 30 emails, it then re-schedules another check a few seconds later to read more. In your case, you do not have it deleting the read emails (a very good idea during testing), so when it tries again, there are still 72 emails, so it reads the first 30 again. I have just uploaded a new version to my site (after realising that the previous upload had contained the library stack only and not the demo stack). I will read the first 30 emails as before, but if the Delete emails checkbox is not checked, it will not then try to read again, so won't get stuck in the infinite loop. You can find the new version here: http://www.troz.net/rev/. Also, in looking through your scripts, I would like to be able to insert a conditional statement to download only email with a specific subject but I can't see where to inset this. Is this possible? Not critical; this can be done after the fact. Yes, this is very easily done. Again, have a look in the script of the Read Emails button and look for the readMessage handler. In the new version, I have included a commented-out section that shows how you can decide whether or not to download an email based on subject. The libraray gets the top of the email which includes all the headers. It uses this to extract the subject, sender and recipient, so can decide whether to download based on these or on the size or UIDL of the email. (By the way, the stack opens with the Read emails button disabled. Maybe a card script: On opencard \ set the disabled of button Read emails to false \ end opencard.) Done :-) Please feel free to email me off-list if you have any other questions or if you would like me to make any modifications. Cheers, Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Importing gMail?
OT: it's not revolution, but you can make a spreadsheet in Google docs where the column headers are the query labels in your form. Or , from the form menu build the form and this produces the spread sheet. Responses are posted to a spread sheet. Get all your email addresses lined up on the clipboard and send the form to everyone by email. (use the share feature...) Some will be able to see it and fill it out right in their email client, others will get a link to the form on the web. Sit back a couple of days later you go to your Google spread sheet and is all there. you can have columns in the spread sheet that do not appear on the form, for your internal use. i.e. possibly no need to reinvent the wheel on this one. This is one thing that Google seems to have gotten right... (I'm always just a bit disappointed with Google apps because there some gotcha or wall I keep running into here and there... latest is, Google sites doesn't let you touch the CSS... but on the up side they final introduced groups into their ACL framework. Sivakatirswami Sarah Reichelt wrote: On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 10:15 AM, James Hurleyjhurley0...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I'm thinking of sending a query (kind of an open ended survey) via gMail to members of my neighborhood association. I'm expecting a couple hundred replies. Is there some way to import the responses into Rev programatically for subsequent processing? I've come to believe that there is nothing that members of this list cannot do. Is this a bridge too far? Hi Jim, I was going to suggest enabling Gmail's POP access and using my POP library to get the emails, but after checking, I see Gmail's POP uses SSL on port 995 which my library does not do. However you can set up Gmail to forward all emails to another address and if you use one with standard POP access, then you can certainly use my POP library as the basis for an email reader. You can download the library and a sample stack from http://www.troz.net/rev/. Cheers, Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Importing gMail?
I'm thinking of sending a query (kind of an open ended survey) via gMail to members of my neighborhood association. I'm expecting a couple hundred replies. Is there some way to import the responses into Rev programatically for subsequent processing? I've come to believe that there is nothing that members of this list cannot do. Is this a bridge too far? Jim Hurley ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Importing gMail?
It's easy to make a spaminator in Rev, but a good email list program should have features like list management, user authentication and unsubscribe, and bounced email management. Look at the features in the most popular mail list server, Mailman, which indeed is the software that manages the Rev lists. Most ISPs offer it for free. 'Several Hundred' recipients sounds like a lot of users to handle without those features. It looks like you're trying to do a survey. Perhaps there's a better way than simple email responses. If you have on-rev you could make a form that collects response and allows only one vote per IP. It could keep the tally in a simple text file. Not idiot proof but fine for a small group. You should be able to do the same thing using the plugin. And yes, you could make a thing that gathers emails, but it would have to allow 1 vote per email, and write some kind of form to work inside the email. A lot more trouble, IMHO than making a simple web page. - Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://barncard.com 2009/8/13 James Hurley jhurley0...@sbcglobal.net I'm thinking of sending a query (kind of an open ended survey) via gMail to members of my neighborhood association. I'm expecting a couple hundred replies. Is there some way to import the responses into Rev programatically for subsequent processing? I've come to believe that there is nothing that members of this list cannot do. Is this a bridge too far? Jim Hurley ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Importing gMail?
On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 10:15 AM, James Hurleyjhurley0...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I'm thinking of sending a query (kind of an open ended survey) via gMail to members of my neighborhood association. I'm expecting a couple hundred replies. Is there some way to import the responses into Rev programatically for subsequent processing? I've come to believe that there is nothing that members of this list cannot do. Is this a bridge too far? Hi Jim, I was going to suggest enabling Gmail's POP access and using my POP library to get the emails, but after checking, I see Gmail's POP uses SSL on port 995 which my library does not do. However you can set up Gmail to forward all emails to another address and if you use one with standard POP access, then you can certainly use my POP library as the basis for an email reader. You can download the library and a sample stack from http://www.troz.net/rev/. Cheers, Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
