Re: List etiquette and mechanics

[Mark Wieder]

Heather-

>> It has been a long time since I did one of these posts. Apologies, in a
>> world of many hats its sometimes hard to find time to wear my listmom
>> one (pink, with feathers and cherries).

> With a hat like that, I'm not surprised you don't post more often.  ;)

I'd love to see a picture of the hat on our frappr page...

http://www.frappr.com/runtimerevolution

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Re: List etiquette and mechanics

[Eric Chatonet]

A problem of static electricity?
Be careful with that: don't use synthetic feathers.

Le 6 déc. 05 à 20:58, J. Landman Gay a écrit :


Heather Nagey wrote:

Dear List Members,
It has been a long time since I did one of these posts. Apologies,  
in a world of many hats its sometimes hard to find time to wear my  
listmom one (pink, with feathers and cherries).


With a hat like that, I'm not surprised you don't post more often.  ;)


Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.

So Smart Software

For institutions, companies and associations
Built-to-order applications: management, multimedia, internet, etc.
Windows, Mac OS and Linux... With the French touch

Free plugins and tutorials on my website

Web sitehttp://www.sosmartsoftware.com/
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Re: List etiquette and mechanics

[J. Landman Gay]

Heather Nagey wrote:

Dear List Members,

It has been a long time since I did one of these posts. Apologies, in a 
world of many hats its sometimes hard to find time to wear my listmom 
one (pink, with feathers and cherries).


With a hat like that, I'm not surprised you don't post more often.  ;)

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List etiquette and mechanics

[Heather Nagey]

Dear List Members,

It has been a long time since I did one of these posts. Apologies, in a 
world of many hats its sometimes hard to find time to wear my listmom 
one (pink, with feathers and cherries).


So, here are some basics about how this list works.

Firstly, the list only knows you are a member by the email address you 
signed up with. It doesn't know your name, or your profession, or 
recognise you from the style of your posts or the clothes you wear. If 
you have more than one email address, and you post from one that is not 
subscribed, your post will be held for approval by the moderator (me). 
Approval can take several days, depending on how busy I am. If you 
repost during this time from your subscribed address, then when I come 
along and approve your perfectly legitimate post, it will appear in the 
list as a duplicate, days late and long after you have all the answers 
and the thread is dead. What is the solution to this problem? It's 
really quite simple. I highly recommend you subscribe all your email 
addresses, and then set your preferences to "no mail" for all but one 
of the addresses. That way, it doesn't matter where you post from, and 
you won't receive duplicate postings from the list (a daunting prospect 
given the activity on this list these days). There may be a few 
incredibly organised individuals with flawless memories who never, 
ever, post accidentally from the wrong address, but I haven't met any 
of them yet... :) To subscribe, unsubscribe and change your 
preferences, visit


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Most such requests will be automatically filtered by the list software 
anyway, and will not get you off this list.


Secondly, this list exists to discuss Revolution. Not the kind with 
swords and bullets, but the software product with which you can do so 
many amazing and creative things, with a little help from your friends. 
This is where you post when you don't know how to do something, or 
you've forgotten, or it didn't work as expected and you're not sure 
why. It is also a place for genuinely constructive criticism on 
occasion, which believe it or not is actually appreciated by the team 
and used (eventually) to make the Revolution experience even better. 
However, it's not the best place to report bugs - there is no guarantee 
that anyone in the engineering team will read it, or if they do that 
they will remember your bug. Bugzilla is the place, and is proving a 
highly effective mechanism for getting bugs dealt with. 
http://support.runrev.com/bugzilla. The list is not for discussing 
politics or pandas. It's definitely not the place to air your views on 
personalities.


Thirdly, to get the best out of this list, remember to be polite. Even 
if you don't feel polite at the time, posting something that could be 
construed as insulting on the list is never productive. It's very easy 
to miscontrue or be misconstrued when your only medium is text. We 
can't see your face, we don't know you're smiling. Use smileys, say 
please and thankyou, read your post over before you hit send, and if 
you know in your heart that tomorrow you will regret it, leave it in 
your drafts folder for 24 hours before sending. Then delete it... If 
you have to have a war, have it privately please, there are many many 
people on this list who basically don't want to know. In the case of a 
flame war breaking out, please don't join in. However much you want to 
and however justified your point. If you must say something, you can 
send it to me, off list. If you have a genuine problem with Revolution, 
that only the company can solve, please write to support, not to the 
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Finally, the members of this community should all give themselves a 
huge thankyou and a pat on the back. You are great people and a 
wonderful community. You give freely of your time and creativity to 
help others and it is immensely appreciated. I hope it continues to be 
a warm, friendly and helpful community far into the future of 
Revolution.


Warm Regards,

Heather

Heather Nagey, Customer Support Manager
Runtime Revolution Ltd
www.runrev.com

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Re: List etiquette suggestion

[Mark Wieder]

Bruce-

Saturday, January 31, 2004, 8:43:47 PM, you wrote:

BR> I thought that destroyed digest readers ability to parse messages and was
BR> distincly NOT reommended.

Hmmm - haven't heard this one before. Not that it seems to affect
MIME-encoded digests on any lists that I subscribe to. In fact, it is
the *preferred* method of trimming signatures on most. Sounds muchly
like an urban legend to me.

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Re: List etiquette suggestion [almost a flame]

[Mark Wieder]

Richard-

Sunday, February 1, 2004, 9:41:06 PM, you wrote:

>> i'll go back to the "pen and
>> paper" world that i spewed forth from ;-)

RG> Please don't, or we'd have no libSMTP or other cool tools from your presence
RG> in the ether. :)

We would, but we'd have to peel them off and stick them on the
envelopes ourselves, and the rates would go up every 18 months... 

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Re: List etiquette suggestion [almost a flame]

[Richard Gaskin]

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> i'll go back to the "pen and
> paper" world that i spewed forth from ;-)

Please don't, or we'd have no libSMTP or other cool tools from your presence
in the ether. :)

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Re: List etiquette suggestion [almost a flame]

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

you increased my intial message from 3 lines to 24 lines by including 
the whole of my message, plus only 3 lines for yours (so far, doing 
okay), but then there's a total of 11 lines of just sigs.. *sigh* i do 
realize that your sig is small, and the other 2 are auto sigs, but you 
can see how that just ends up wasting tons of bandwidth, plus my hard 
drive space, plus my time (having to scan through it all)..

this isn't a personal attack, i've seen much worse sigs and those 
stupid "if message this isn't for you, yadda yadda" bs auto sigs.. 
you're sending to a mailing list, i don't think it matters..

anyways, that's enough of a "rant" from me, i'll go back to the "pen and 
paper" world that i spewed forth from ;-)

-Sean

ps.. original message was "snipped"
pss.. that's something else, please only quote what's needed, not the 
whole dang message..

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Re: List etiquette suggestion

[erik hansen]

--- "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> i'd prefer if people would turn off their sigs
> on lists, as well as 
> trimming off the added list sig.. sometimes the
> sigs are bigger than the 
> actual message...

i like to collect the websites of the list
users and they change constantly,
so i like sigs.

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Re: List etiquette suggestion

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

i'd prefer if people would turn off their sigs on lists, as well as 
trimming off the added list sig.. sometimes the sigs are bigger than the 
actual message..

-Original Message-
> > One thing that would help is if people adhered to the RFC-standard

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Re: List etiquette suggestion

[Bruce Robertson]

> Frank-
> 
> One thing that would help is if people adhered to the RFC-standard
> signature trimmer of -- (That's dash-dash-space) on a line by itself.
> Most modern email clients will trim everything after that
> automatically when replying.
> 
> -- 

I thought that destroyed digest readers ability to parse messages and was
distincly NOT reommended.

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Re: List etiquette suggestion

[Mark Wieder]

Frank-

One thing that would help is if people adhered to the RFC-standard
signature trimmer of -- (That's dash-dash-space) on a line by itself.
Most modern email clients will trim everything after that
automatically when replying.

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Re: List etiquette and general helpful hints

[Wolfgang M. Bereuter]

On Samstag, Jänner 11, 2003, at 05:47  Uhr, erik hansen wrote:


List etiquette and general helpful hints
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


--- "Wolfgang M. Bereuter"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On Donnerstag, Jänner 9, 2003, at 09:34  Uhr,
Troy Rollins wrote:


On Thursday, January 9, 2003, at 03:27 PM,

erik hansen wrote:


you are right.


And YOU are posting in HTML.  ;-)


ich spreche kein HTML.
wass soll ich denn machen?


Ein ernstes wort mit den prefs deines mail clients sprechen;)

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Re: List etiquette and general helpful hints

[erik hansen]

--- "Wolfgang M. Bereuter"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> On Donnerstag, Jänner 9, 2003, at 09:34  Uhr,
> Troy Rollins wrote:
> 
> > On Thursday, January 9, 2003, at 03:27 PM,
> erik hansen wrote:
> >>
> >> you are right.
> >
> > And YOU are posting in HTML.  ;-)

ich spreche kein HTML.
wass soll ich denn machen?

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Re: OT--List etiquette and general helpful hints

[miscdas]

[snip]
Jim Hurley writes: 



Bernard Devlin wrote: 
I suspect discussions of cheese and other comestibles may be unlikely to 
cause
much offence. 

Bernard



... I am consoled by the thought that the early bird may get the worm, but 
it is the second mouse who gets the cheese.

Jim Hurley 

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"Nought but one, friend--goodly fromage." 

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OT--List etiquette and general helpful hints

[Jim Hurley]

Bernard Devlin wrote:

I would like to suggest that the policy of the list should be that off-topic
posts pushing religious, moral or political views are banned.






I suspect discussions of cheese and other comestibles may be unlikely to cause
much offence.

Bernard


I would like to second  Bernard's remarks.

I realize I am a bit late, and that I prolong the discussion, but I 
am consoled by the thought that the early bird may get the worm, but 
it is the second mouse who gets the cheese.

Jim Hurley

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Re: List etiquette and general helpful hints

[Heather Williams]

Guys! Please! take a look at the last digest that just arrived in my inbox.
More than half of it was Not Discussing Revolution. You've all had your say.
I've listened, laughed at some, torn my hair out at others, and now I'm
saying Subject Closed. If you still have strong feelings on how the list
should be moderated, write to me direct, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Do Not Respond
On The List.
-- 
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Tel: +44 (0) 131 7184333 Fax: +44 (0)1639 830707
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Re: List etiquette and general helpful hints

[Wolfgang M. Bereuter]

On Donnerstag, Jänner 9, 2003, at 09:34  Uhr, Troy Rollins wrote:


On Thursday, January 9, 2003, at 03:27 PM, erik hansen wrote:


you are right.


And YOU are posting in HTML.  ;-)


rofl

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Re: List etiquette and general helpful hints

[HyperJEFF]

In a message dated 1/9/03 10:42:06 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< deals are one thing, reality is another. This list is a bright and shining 

example, as evidenced by the number of OT posts, HTML formatted posts, 

questionable netiquette posts, etc.  >>

Yeah, but, this is about Revolution Business, a bright comentator can ruin 
the list with diatribes to another end, please stay on topic.

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Re: List etiquette and general helpful hints

[John J. Theobald]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


In a message dated 1/9/03 10:42:06 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< deals are one thing, reality is another. This list is a bright and shining 

example, as evidenced by the number of OT posts, HTML formatted posts, 

questionable netiquette posts, etc.  >>

Yeah, but, this is about Revolution Business, a bright comentator can ruin 
the list with diatribes to another end, please stay on topic.

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I Agree ... some folks think their rantings deserve raves and speak 
because they think someone is listening. What they don't realize is that 
 what most of us hear in such diatribes and OT posts is noise, which 
the brain justifiably and efficiently filters out.

The list has a pretty well defined fundamental purpose, which everyone 
to one extent or another seems to support.  I'm in the camp that listens 
to the Revolution issues discussed, and have no interest in the noise.


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Re: List etiquette and general helpful hints

[Rob Cozens]

I have already been offended by some of the religious and moral views I have
seen propounded here, but because I do not think this list should be cluttered
with such discussions I have abstained from expressing my offence.


Hi Bernard,

I commend you for following what I believe is the surest method of 
keeping unwanted posts to a minimum: do not respond.

When I attended my first Little League game, I came with the previous 
experience of participation in a summer softball league, where 
"razzing" was quite commonplace; so I "spectated" as I remembered it 
was done by the "grown ups."  It didn't take but an inning or to for 
me to realize I was the only one "mouthing off", and that my behavior 
was obviously considered inappropriate in this particular setting.

IMFO, if people (a) don't respond to posts of a nature or subject 
matter they don't want to see on the List and (b) take a conversation 
off list when only two or three members wish to continue it, the List 
will be self-regulating and Heather can get on with better things.
--

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Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

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Re: List etiquette and general helpful hints

[miscdas]

[snip]
Rob Cozens writes: 


I have already been offended by some of the religious and moral views I 
have
seen propounded here, but because I do not think this list should be 
cluttered
with such discussions I have abstained from expressing my offence.

Hi Bernard, 

I commend you for following what I believe is the surest method of keeping 
unwanted posts to a minimum: do not respond. 

IMFO, if people (a) don't respond to posts of a nature or subject matter 
they don't want to see on the List and (b) take a conversation off list 
when only two or three members wish to continue it, the List will be 
self-regulating and Heather can get on with better things.
--  

Rob Cozens

Ideals are one thing, reality is another. This list is a bright and shining 
example, as evidenced by the number of OT posts, HTML formatted posts, 
questionable netiquette posts, etc. 

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Re: List etiquette and general helpful hints

[Roger . E . Eller]

> Politics, religion and cheese are all off topic. Off topic posts should
be
> marked with the header OT, and kept to a minimum.
I agree with this statement.

> I would like to suggest that the policy of the list should be that
off-topic
> posts pushing religious, moral or political views are banned.
I do NOT agree with this. See above... moderation and minimums should be
sufficient.

> ... because I do not think this list should be cluttered
> with such discussions I have abstained from expressing my offence.
Until now huh?

You know what I find offensive? People who are offended by EVERYTHING.

How about that Revolution program? Pretty good stuff huh? ;-D

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Re: List etiquette and general helpful hints

[Troy Rollins]

On Thursday, January 9, 2003, at 03:27 PM, erik hansen wrote:


you are right.


And YOU are posting in HTML.  ;-)



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Re: List etiquette and general helpful hints

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you are right.
 Bernard Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Politics, religion and cheese are all off topic. Off topic posts should be> marked with the header OT, and kept to a minimum.I would like to suggest that the policy of the list should be that off-topicpostspushing religious, moral or political views are banned. Theyhave no place on a specialized list such as this one, can be offensive to thosewho do not share these views, and only increase the noise on the list. Thereare plenty of other places on the internet where people can indulge their beliefthat they can hector or chastise other people.I have already been offended by some of the religious and moral views I haveseen propounded here, but because I do not think this list should be clutteredwith such discussions I have abstained from expressing my offence.If the policy of the list remains that such off-topic discussion!
s arepermitted, then I will not be so restrained in future, and the noise level onthe list will increase. Furthermore, I shall feel free to spontaneously expressmy moral and political views to the list, and no doubt others will then takeoffence.I suspect discussions of cheese and other comestibles may be unlikely to causemuch offence.Bernard___use-revolution mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution[EMAIL PROTECTED]    http://www.erikhansen.orgDo you Yahoo!?
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Re: List etiquette and general helpful hints

[Bernard Devlin]

> Politics, religion and cheese are all off topic. Off topic posts should be
> marked with the header OT, and kept to a minimum.

I would like to suggest that the policy of the list should be that off-topic
posts
pushing religious, moral or political views are banned.  They
have no place on a specialized list such as this one, can be offensive to those
who do not share these views, and only increase the noise on the list.  There
are plenty of other places on the internet where people can indulge their belief
that they can hector or chastise other people.

I have already been offended by some of the religious and moral views I have
seen propounded here, but because I do not think this list should be cluttered
with such discussions I have abstained from expressing my offence.

If the policy of the list remains that such off-topic discussions are
permitted, then I will not be so restrained in future, and the noise level on
the list will increase.  Furthermore, I shall feel free to spontaneously express
my moral and political views to the list, and no doubt others will then take
offence.

I suspect discussions of cheese and other comestibles may be unlikely to cause
much offence.

Bernard
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Re: List etiquette and general helpful hints

[HyperJEFF]

Very well said Miss Moderator.

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Re: List Etiquette

[yves COPPE]

>
>
>And finally, I would like to say thank you once again to everyone who
>contributes to this great community. It was lovely meeting some of you at
>Paris Expo.
>
>Onward and Upward!
>
>Heather
>


For me too !
-- 
Greetings.

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List Etiquette

[Heather Williams]

Hi folks,

I see it is time once again for me to raise my head and remind all you good
people of a few things that help to make this list run smoothly and remain
the great resource that it is for all.

I've been noticing rather a lot of html garbage on the list lately. I remind
you that to the majority of users of the list, fancy formatting comes over
as unnecessary garbage which is almost unreadable. The digest can *only*
cope with plain text. Please turn off html formatting in your email client
before posting.

Please, No Attachments! Again, they arrive as garbage, clutter up the list,
and in the majority of cases will be filtered out by the list software
anyway. A small one slipped through I see... If you have something you want
to share with list members, please post a url where they can go and look at
it, or send it privately.

Remember to change the header if you are in digest mode, so that it reflects
something more useful than "Re: use-revolution digest no 6003".

Please do snip your posts so that you are only quoting enough for people to
understand what you are replying too. Six layers of nested quoting in pretty
colours may look pretty, but it is almost never necessary and adds to the
bandwith burden for those of us still on dialup pay-per-minute connections.

All subscribe/unsubscribe requests should be sent directly to me,
[EMAIL PROTECTED], if you were unable to resolve them by visiting the list
webpage. I'm always happy to help. Most such requests sent to the list will
be automatically filtered out by the list software, unless you can't spell
unsubscribe...

To protect you from spam this list is a double opt in list. This means, that
if you post from an address you are not subscribed with, your post will be
held for approval by the list moderator - that's me, folks. If this happens,
don't panic, I'll get in there and approve it asap, once I've checked it's
not spam. You can avoid this happening however, by subscribing all email
addresses you are likely to post from, and setting all but one to "nomail"
so that you don't get duplicate posts.

And finally, I would like to say thank you once again to everyone who
contributes to this great community. It was lovely meeting some of you at
Paris Expo.

Onward and Upward!

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