Re: Mac-Win revisited
Thomas McGrath III wrote: Pardon me chiming in here. When using things like players and speech etc. it is our responsibility to close them ourselves in our code when and if for any reason our program is to quit. So I would put a piece of script in a on closeStack that takes care of the player when closing. Quite right - except that the context here is that the Player that Charles was referring to is the Dreamcard Player, which he's using to run the stacks. This is because players and speech use libraries and/or QT etc. to work and like a serial port that is opened it must be closed or problems may occur. This is good coding practice. Maybe you can have in each stack an on closeStack that checks if all three (+-) stacks are closed and 'then' closes the player only if all are closed. We do indeed need to do that with audio, video etc. players - but I don't think it's possible for a stack to close the DC Player in a controlled way, and arguably it shouldn't need to. If you double-click a stack icon to run it, when the stack closes 'it' should disappear completely (i.e. taking the player away with it). Otherwise, there's no way to provide a transparent experience for the user - she shouldn't need to know whether the software I've distributed to her is an application in its own right, or uses some player mechanism to run. -- Alex Tweedly http://www.tweedly.net -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.4/57 - Release Date: 22/07/2005 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Mac-Win revisited
Perhaps we should have a feature request that always does this automatically for everyone? All of this kind of stuff is taken care of automatically in the other IDEs I use... :) Jon Thomas McGrath III wrote: Pardon me chiming in here. When using things like players and speech etc. it is our responsibility to close them ourselves in our code when and if for any reason our program is to quit. So I would put a piece of script in a on closeStack that takes care of the player when closing. This is because players and speech use libraries and/or QT etc. to work and like a serial port that is opened it must be closed or problems may occur. This is good coding practice. Maybe you can have in each stack an on closeStack that checks if all three (+-) stacks are closed and 'then' closes the player only if all are closed. HTH Thanks Tom On Jul 27, 2005, at 6:23 PM, Charles Hartman wrote: On Jul 27, 2005, at 4:50 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote: Yes it does work, exactly as I and other Windows users would expect it to work. It closes the app (or window) in whose title bar you are at the time (or which has focus when you do Alt-F4). That's what Windows *always* does. Yes, I understand that. The problem is that after you close all (up to) three stacks in my app, you think you've quit the Player; but you haven't. I've tried out the Quit (with just an OK or Cancel), and it seems to work. If this thing gets more elaborate, and there's data to save, I'll move carefully. Thanks again. Charles ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Macintosh PowerBook G-4 OSX 10.3.9, OS 9.2.2, 1.25 GHz, 512MB RAM, Rev 2.6 Advanced Media Group Eagle Works Art Sculpture Semantic Compaction Systems Prentke Romich Company Prentke Romich International SCIconics, LLC Artist Thomas J McGrath III [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Mac-Win revisited
On Jul 28, 2005, at 4:53 AM, Alex Tweedly wrote: Thomas McGrath III wrote: Pardon me chiming in here. When using things like players and speech etc. it is our responsibility to close them ourselves in our code when and if for any reason our program is to quit. So I would put a piece of script in a on closeStack that takes care of the player when closing. Quite right - except that the context here is that the Player that Charles was referring to is the Dreamcard Player, which he's using to run the stacks. This is because players and speech use libraries and/or QT etc. to work and like a serial port that is opened it must be closed or problems may occur. This is good coding practice. Maybe you can have in each stack an on closeStack that checks if all three (+-) stacks are closed and 'then' closes the player only if all are closed. We do indeed need to do that with audio, video etc. players - but I don't think it's possible for a stack to close the DC Player in a controlled way, and arguably it shouldn't need to. If you double-click a stack icon to run it, when the stack closes 'it' should disappear completely (i.e. taking the player away with it). Otherwise, there's no way to provide a transparent experience for the user - she shouldn't need to know whether the software I've distributed to her is an application in its own right, or uses some player mechanism to run. Thanks to both. It's true that I forgot the possibility that my user will close stack-windows _without_ pressing my nice new Quit button. I should trap onClose messages in some logical order which will depend on the design of my app. Charles ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Mac-Win revisited
Alex, Now that's confusing. ;-) I always think of Player when I see Player and not Player as in Dreamcard Player. I will now have to pay a bit more attention to Player on the list. Thanks, Tom On Jul 28, 2005, at 4:53 AM, Alex Tweedly wrote: Quite right - except that the context here is that the Player that Charles was referring to is the Dreamcard Player, which he's using to run the stacks. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Mac-Win revisited
Thomas McGrath III wrote: When using things like players and speech etc. it is our responsibility to close them ourselves in our code when and if for any reason our program is to quit. So I would put a piece of script in a on closeStack that takes care of the player when closing. This is because players and speech use libraries and/or QT etc. to work and like a serial port that is opened it must be closed or problems may occur. This is good coding practice. Players? You mean, like QT player objects? How would one close a QT player? I've never had any problem quitting while ignoring them. Maybe I don't understand what you mean. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Mac-Win revisited
Jac, I was actually referring to grabbing video in QT (referring to it being a player type object) as in: In stack: (this is to clean it up on quit/close of stack) on closeStack revCloseVideoGrabber end closeStack In Initialize button: on mouseUp revInitializeVideoGrabber short name of this stack, QT, the rect of this stack end mouseUp In record button: on mouseUp revRecordVideo mymovie.avi end mouseUp In stop button: on mouseUp revStopRecordingVideo end mouseUp It is my understanding that not calling revCloseVideoGrabber on quit/close could cause memory problems. From the docs: If your application uses video capture, you should execute the revCloseVideoGrabber command either when your application is finished using video capture, when the stack that uses video capture is closed (in a closeStack handler), or when your application quits (in a shutdown handler). The Video library loads the operating system's video capture software into memory when you use the revInitializeVideoGrabber command. The revCloseVideoGrabber command unloads this software, freeing up the memory it uses, when you're done. Of course the same is true for speech: revUnloadSpeech from the docs: Important! If your application uses text to speech, you should execute the revUnloadSpeech command either when your application is finished using text to speech, when the stack that uses speech is closed (in a closeStack handler), or when your application quits (in a shutdown handler). This saves memory. But it turns out the original thread was about the Dreamcard Player anyway so this is a mute point. Tom On Jul 28, 2005, at 11:42 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: Players? You mean, like QT player objects? How would one close a QT player? I've never had any problem quitting while ignoring them. Maybe I don't understand what you mean. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Mac-Win revisited
Thomas McGrath III wrote: It is my understanding that not calling revCloseVideoGrabber on quit/close could cause memory problems. Oh, I see. Yes, that's right. I was thinking of plain old players that run QT movies. But it turns out the original thread was about the Dreamcard Player anyway so this is a mute point. Yeah, I knew that, but you got me curious. Thanks for the clarification. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Mac-Win revisited
Jac, Yeah I posted 'all' of that mainly for the sake of others that were reading this thread. I knew you would pick it up right away if I just said revCloseVideoGrabber but I figured completeness was a good idea. Player becomes a very general term now, and I don't know how to feel about that. ;-( Tom On Jul 28, 2005, at 2:23 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: Thomas McGrath III wrote: It is my understanding that not calling revCloseVideoGrabber on quit/close could cause memory problems. Oh, I see. Yes, that's right. I was thinking of plain old players that run QT movies. But it turns out the original thread was about the Dreamcard Player anyway so this is a mute point. Yeah, I knew that, but you got me curious. Thanks for the clarification. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Macintosh PowerBook G-4 OSX 10.3.9, OS 9.2.2, 1.25 GHz, 512MB RAM, Rev 2.6 Advanced Media Group Eagle Works Art Sculpture Semantic Compaction Systems Prentke Romich Company Prentke Romich International SCIconics, LLC Artist Thomas J McGrath III [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Mac-Win revisited
1. The problem I reported about the disappearing cursor does have a temporary solution, which I got from one of the comments in the Bugzilla report: include in some stack script the lines delete stack revCursors reset cursors Presto. And that should suggest a fix for the bug, shouldn't it? 2. Is there some way to quit the Dreamcard Player in Windows without Ctrl-Alt-Delete? Do I have to build an entire menu system just for that, which I have no use for in the Mac version? Charles ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Mac-Win revisited
probably... but a close window = closerequest = quit should do it nothing major... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Hartman Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 20:14 To: How to use Revolution Subject: Mac-Win revisited 1. The problem I reported about the disappearing cursor does have a temporary solution, which I got from one of the comments in the Bugzilla report: include in some stack script the lines delete stack revCursors reset cursors Presto. And that should suggest a fix for the bug, shouldn't it? 2. Is there some way to quit the Dreamcard Player in Windows without Ctrl-Alt-Delete? Do I have to build an entire menu system just for that, which I have no use for in the Mac version? Charles ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Mac-Win revisited
Charles Hartman wrote: 2. Is there some way to quit the Dreamcard Player in Windows without Ctrl-Alt-Delete? Do I have to build an entire menu system just for that, which I have no use for in the Mac version? Quit the Player itself, or the stack you are currently playing ? In either case, AFAICT, the usual Windows methods work OK - Alt-F4 - the little X icon in the title bar - right-click on title bar and select Close -- Alex Tweedly http://www.tweedly.net -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.4/57 - Release Date: 22/07/2005 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Mac-Win revisited
On Jul 27, 2005, at 3:29 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote: 2. Is there some way to quit the Dreamcard Player in Windows without Ctrl-Alt-Delete? Do I have to build an entire menu system just for that, which I have no use for in the Mac version? Quit the Player itself, or the stack you are currently playing ? In either case, AFAICT, the usual Windows methods work OK - Alt-F4 - the little X icon in the title bar - right-click on title bar and select Close I want (the user no matter how addled to be able) to quit the Player. But the little X icon in the title bar does _not_ do it. That closes (each) stack, but leaves the Player sitting there in memory. Not being used to Windows, it took me a while to find that out. I certainly don't trust my users to know it. So I'm putting a nice, big QUIT button on the menu/map substack. Thanks. Charles ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Mac-Win revisited
Charles Hartman wrote: On Jul 27, 2005, at 3:29 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote: 2. Is there some way to quit the Dreamcard Player in Windows without Ctrl-Alt-Delete? Do I have to build an entire menu system just for that, which I have no use for in the Mac version? Quit the Player itself, or the stack you are currently playing ? In either case, AFAICT, the usual Windows methods work OK - Alt-F4 - the little X icon in the title bar - right-click on title bar and select Close I want (the user no matter how addled to be able) to quit the Player. But the little X icon in the title bar does _not_ do it. Yes it does work, exactly as I and other Windows users would expect it to work. It closes the app (or window) in whose title bar you are at the time (or which has focus when you do Alt-F4). That's what Windows *always* does. That closes (each) stack, but leaves the Player sitting there in memory. Not being used to Windows, it took me a while to find that out. I certainly don't trust my users to know it. So I'm putting a nice, big QUIT button on the menu/map substack. I'd be inclined to expect your users to know it - standard Windows behaviour. Why should closing one window/instance close any others ? Using a button linked to a script containing a quit should do what you want - though I personally think that's a bug. See BZ 2596 and 2597. A quit in a stack within the player causes the entire player to quit *including* any other stack currently running within that player. You can run any number of stacks within a Player (and cannot run multiple instances of the Player) - so if you need to have two stacks running simultaneously, and one quits, the other exits also, taking with it potentially any unsaved work. btw - I think I had one stack that tried to use quit and it didn't work - but after I discovered the problems in 2597, I stopped trying to do it, so didn't pursue that issue all the way to the end ... so make sure you test it thoroughly (as if I had to say that, sorry). -- Alex Tweedly http://www.tweedly.net -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.4/57 - Release Date: 22/07/2005 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Mac-Win revisited
On Jul 27, 2005, at 4:50 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote: Yes it does work, exactly as I and other Windows users would expect it to work. It closes the app (or window) in whose title bar you are at the time (or which has focus when you do Alt-F4). That's what Windows *always* does. Yes, I understand that. The problem is that after you close all (up to) three stacks in my app, you think you've quit the Player; but you haven't. I've tried out the Quit (with just an OK or Cancel), and it seems to work. If this thing gets more elaborate, and there's data to save, I'll move carefully. Thanks again. Charles ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Mac-Win revisited
Pardon me chiming in here. When using things like players and speech etc. it is our responsibility to close them ourselves in our code when and if for any reason our program is to quit. So I would put a piece of script in a on closeStack that takes care of the player when closing. This is because players and speech use libraries and/or QT etc. to work and like a serial port that is opened it must be closed or problems may occur. This is good coding practice. Maybe you can have in each stack an on closeStack that checks if all three (+-) stacks are closed and 'then' closes the player only if all are closed. HTH Thanks Tom On Jul 27, 2005, at 6:23 PM, Charles Hartman wrote: On Jul 27, 2005, at 4:50 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote: Yes it does work, exactly as I and other Windows users would expect it to work. It closes the app (or window) in whose title bar you are at the time (or which has focus when you do Alt-F4). That's what Windows *always* does. Yes, I understand that. The problem is that after you close all (up to) three stacks in my app, you think you've quit the Player; but you haven't. I've tried out the Quit (with just an OK or Cancel), and it seems to work. If this thing gets more elaborate, and there's data to save, I'll move carefully. Thanks again. Charles ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Macintosh PowerBook G-4 OSX 10.3.9, OS 9.2.2, 1.25 GHz, 512MB RAM, Rev 2.6 Advanced Media Group Eagle Works Art Sculpture Semantic Compaction Systems Prentke Romich Company Prentke Romich International SCIconics, LLC Artist Thomas J McGrath III [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
