Mac standalones (Rev 4.0) don't run under Jaguar (10.2.8)

2010-06-15 Thread Chris Sheffield
Not sure if anyone out there is even still supporting Jaguar with their apps, 
but we are (schools tend to take forever to upgrade equipment/operating 
systems). We are in the process of doing an update to our software. We switched 
to Rev 4.0 for this update in order to fix a few bugs. Unfortunately, it's 
looking like standalones built with Rev 4.0 do not run under Jaguar. We're 
getting the infamous bouncing icon in the dock and then it crashes. Is anyone 
else seeing this? The jaguar_theme_support bundle is still in the Plugins 
folder in the app bundle, so I'm assuming this issue is not intentional (in 
other words, RunRev have not intentionally dropped support for 10.2.x). This 

It seems like we've had this happen in the past, where switching to a new 
version of Rev caused a problem like this. What I can't remember though is if 
there ended up being an easy fix for it, or if we had to revert to a previous 
version of Rev. I've checked permissions on the app bundle, which is usually 
the cause of such behavior, but everything looks fine to me. I've compared the 
info.plist files between the previous version of our app (built with Rev 3.0) 
and this version (built with 4.0) and the only differences are version 
information. Everything seems to be correct there. So I'm worried it's an 
engine problem.

Can anyone shed some light on this? Any ideas as to what I could try to make it 
work? We're in a bit of a pickle if we can't get this to work.

Thanks,
Chris


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Re: Mac standalones (Rev 4.0) don't run under Jaguar (10.2.8)

2010-06-15 Thread Richmond

On 06/15/2010 07:53 PM, Chris Sheffield wrote:

Not sure if anyone out there is even still supporting Jaguar with their apps, 
but we are (schools tend to take forever to upgrade equipment/operating 
systems). We are in the process of doing an update to our software. We switched 
to Rev 4.0 for this update in order to fix a few bugs. Unfortunately, it's 
looking like standalones built with Rev 4.0 do not run under Jaguar. We're 
getting the infamous bouncing icon in the dock and then it crashes. Is anyone 
else seeing this? The jaguar_theme_support bundle is still in the Plugins 
folder in the app bundle, so I'm assuming this issue is not intentional (in 
other words, RunRev have not intentionally dropped support for 10.2.x). This

It seems like we've had this happen in the past, where switching to a new 
version of Rev caused a problem like this. What I can't remember though is if 
there ended up being an easy fix for it, or if we had to revert to a previous 
version of Rev. I've checked permissions on the app bundle, which is usually 
the cause of such behavior, but everything looks fine to me. I've compared the 
info.plist files between the previous version of our app (built with Rev 3.0) 
and this version (built with 4.0) and the only differences are version 
information. Everything seems to be correct there. So I'm worried it's an 
engine problem.

Can anyone shed some light on this? Any ideas as to what I could try to make it 
work? We're in a bit of a pickle if we can't get this to work.

Thanks,
Chris

   


I have had standalones built with RunRev 4 running on Mac OS 10.3.9.

Make sure your systems have been updated as far as they will go (i.e. to 
10.3.9)

and things should work.
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Re: Mac standalones (Rev 4.0) don't run under Jaguar (10.2.8)

2010-06-15 Thread Richmond

I'm sorry, I got hold of the wrong end of the stick.

I believe that RunRev 4 cannot cope 'below' 10.3.9.

At New Year I had to put 10.3 on an antiquated tray-loader
G3 iMac as that was the only machine I had access to for
2 weeks: to get RunRev 4 just to function I had to go up to 10.3.9;

which, bye-the-bye, was as far as that machine would go; and even then
it was a little bit asthmatic . . .  :)

Frankly, far simpler (unless your stacks have all the latest bells and 
whistles),

to go back to the future with an earlier instantiation of RunRev.
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Re: Mac standalones (Rev 4.0) don't run under Jaguar (10.2.8)

2010-06-15 Thread Chris Sheffield
After doing a little more research, it appears that a standalone built with Rev 
3.5 does indeed work just fine running under 10.2. One built with Rev 4.0 does 
not. So does anyone know if Rev dropped support for 10.2 when they released 
4.0. If so, why is the Jaguar theme support plugin still part of the app bundle?

I will probably end up writing to Rev support about this, but thought I'd ask 
here first. Responses tend to be a little faster in arriving.

Thanks again.


On Jun 15, 2010, at 10:53 AM, Chris Sheffield wrote:

 Not sure if anyone out there is even still supporting Jaguar with their apps, 
 but we are (schools tend to take forever to upgrade equipment/operating 
 systems). We are in the process of doing an update to our software. We 
 switched to Rev 4.0 for this update in order to fix a few bugs. 
 Unfortunately, it's looking like standalones built with Rev 4.0 do not run 
 under Jaguar. We're getting the infamous bouncing icon in the dock and then 
 it crashes. Is anyone else seeing this? The jaguar_theme_support bundle is 
 still in the Plugins folder in the app bundle, so I'm assuming this issue is 
 not intentional (in other words, RunRev have not intentionally dropped 
 support for 10.2.x). This 
 
 It seems like we've had this happen in the past, where switching to a new 
 version of Rev caused a problem like this. What I can't remember though is if 
 there ended up being an easy fix for it, or if we had to revert to a previous 
 version of Rev. I've checked permissions on the app bundle, which is usually 
 the cause of such behavior, but everything looks fine to me. I've compared 
 the info.plist files between the previous version of our app (built with Rev 
 3.0) and this version (built with 4.0) and the only differences are version 
 information. Everything seems to be correct there. So I'm worried it's an 
 engine problem.
 
 Can anyone shed some light on this? Any ideas as to what I could try to make 
 it work? We're in a bit of a pickle if we can't get this to work.
 
 Thanks,
 Chris
 
 
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 Read Naturally, Inc.
 www.readnaturally.com
 
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Re: Mac standalones (Rev 4.0) don't run under Jaguar (10.2.8)

2010-06-15 Thread Bob Sneidar
Instantiation??!?

Bob ;-)

On Jun 15, 2010, at 11:31 AM, Richmond wrote:

 Frankly, far simpler (unless your stacks have all the latest bells and 
 whistles),
 to go back to the future with an earlier instantiation of RunRev.

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Re: Mac standalones (Rev 4.0) don't run under Jaguar (10.2.8)

2010-06-15 Thread Richmond

On 06/15/2010 11:40 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:

Instantiation??!?

Bob ;-)

On Jun 15, 2010, at 11:31 AM, Richmond wrote:

   

Frankly, far simpler (unless your stacks have all the latest bells and 
whistles),
to go back to the future with an earlier instantiation of RunRev.
 
   


Yes, 'instantiation' - grab a dictionary; one of my favourite words from
when I read my way through John Locke's 'On Human Understanding'.

Mind you; 'instantiation' in this context, in isolation, could be 
misinterpreted;
so think 'earlier instantiation' as in a copy of RunRime Revolution 
with an

earlier version number - when you think about what a clumsy mouthful that
is you will begin to appreciate 'earlier instantiation' . . .  :)
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Re: Mac standalones (Rev 4.0) don't run under Jaguar (10.2.8)

2010-06-15 Thread Bob Sneidar
Okay, I have a dictionary. What do I do with it now? 

Bob


On Jun 15, 2010, at 1:47 PM, Richmond wrote:

 On 06/15/2010 11:40 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
 Instantiation??!?
 
 Bob ;-)
 
 On Jun 15, 2010, at 11:31 AM, Richmond wrote:
 
   
 Frankly, far simpler (unless your stacks have all the latest bells and 
 whistles),
 to go back to the future with an earlier instantiation of RunRev.
 
   
 
 Yes, 'instantiation' - grab a dictionary; one of my favourite words from
 when I read my way through John Locke's 'On Human Understanding'.

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Re: Mac standalones (Rev 4.0) don't run under Jaguar (10.2.8)

2010-06-15 Thread Richmond

On 06/15/2010 11:49 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:

Okay, I have a dictionary. What do I do with it now?

Bob

   


I dunno! I have about 35 dictionaries in my house here
in Bulgaria; here's a sample:

1. Sanskrit dictionary; currently propping up the leg of a lop-sided table.

2. Scots-English dictionary; propping open toilet door so the cat can 
get in there.


3. Chambers English; buried under about 45 other books that I have been 
meaning

to read since 2006.

4.  Odhams 'Passing Show' (1936); in the 'loo' in the school in case I 
get stuck for

light reading.

5. Johnson's (1773 - second volume only); working hard as a barrier 
between several
Bibles, Charlesworths 'Old Testament Pseudepigrapha' and other 
Graeco-Judaica

and my Hindu section.

My other dictionaries (about another 20) are distributed between MD's 
house in

England, my house in Scotland, and a farm storehouse in Orkney.
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Re: Mac standalones (Rev 4.0) don't run under Jaguar (10.2.8)

2010-06-15 Thread Mark Wieder
Richmond-

Tuesday, June 15, 2010, 2:01:37 PM, you wrote:

 2. Scots-English dictionary; propping open toilet door so the cat can
 get in there.

That's impressive - our cats do ok with English, but can't get past
the Scots brogue...

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 mwie...@ahsoftware.net

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Re: Mac standalones (Rev 4.0) don't run under Jaguar (10.2.8)

2010-06-15 Thread Richmond

On 06/16/2010 12:06 AM, Mark Wieder wrote:

Richmond-

Tuesday, June 15, 2010, 2:01:37 PM, you wrote:

   

2. Scots-English dictionary; propping open toilet door so the cat can
get in there.
 

That's impressive - our cats do ok with English, but can't get past
the Scots brogue...

   

My cat doesn't wear brogues; she favours light slip-on sandals . . . :)
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Re: Mac standalones (Rev 4.0) don't run under Jaguar (10.2.8)

2010-06-15 Thread Mark Wieder
Bob-

Tuesday, June 15, 2010, 1:49:08 PM, you wrote:

 Okay, I have a dictionary. What do I do with it now? 

Hey! Give that back! I need to look up scarcasm...

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 mwie...@ahsoftware.net

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Re: Mac standalones (Rev 4.0) don't run under Jaguar (10.2.8)

2010-06-15 Thread Bob Sneidar
Never mind, I figured it out. I'm propping up my Macbook Pro with it. It's just 
about eye level now. What wonderful devices these 'Dictionaries'. Odd name 
tho'. I am going to have to google what the word 'Dictionary' actually means. 

Bob


On Jun 15, 2010, at 2:01 PM, Richmond wrote:

 On 06/15/2010 11:49 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
 Okay, I have a dictionary. What do I do with it now?
 
 Bob
 
   
 
 I dunno! I have about 35 dictionaries in my house here
 in Bulgaria; here's a sample:
 
 1. Sanskrit dictionary; currently propping up the leg of a lop-sided table.
 
 2. Scots-English dictionary; propping open toilet door so the cat can get in 
 there.
 
 3. Chambers English; buried under about 45 other books that I have been 
 meaning
to read since 2006.
 
 4.  Odhams 'Passing Show' (1936); in the 'loo' in the school in case I get 
 stuck for
light reading.
 
 5. Johnson's (1773 - second volume only); working hard as a barrier between 
 several
Bibles, Charlesworths 'Old Testament Pseudepigrapha' and other 
 Graeco-Judaica
and my Hindu section.
 
 My other dictionaries (about another 20) are distributed between MD's house 
 in
 England, my house in Scotland, and a farm storehouse in Orkney.
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Re: Mac standalones (Rev 4.0) don't run under Jaguar (10.2.8)

2010-06-15 Thread Richmond

On 06/16/2010 12:10 AM, Mark Wieder wrote:

Bob-

Tuesday, June 15, 2010, 1:49:08 PM, you wrote:

   

Okay, I have a dictionary. What do I do with it now?
 

Hey! Give that back! I need to look up scarcasm...

   

Scarcasm; Um . . . as in Dr Evil . . . :)

or do you just mean that your dictionary has a large cut across its 
front cover?

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Re: Mac standalones (Rev 4.0) don't run under Jaguar (10.2.8)

2010-06-15 Thread Mark Wieder
Richmond-

Tuesday, June 15, 2010, 2:11:53 PM, you wrote:

 or do you just mean that your dictionary has a large cut across its
 front cover?

...see what I mean?...

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