Re: Newbie ? Answered
On Jul 27, 2005, at 6:47 PM, Kay C Lan wrote: On 7/27/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know I have to and enthusiastically want to finally wean myself from HyperCard. I expect that will happen by the end of the year. snip One warning though, Rev is NOT as stable as HC, and understandably so. The instability is in the Development environment. The runtime engine has been rock solid for me. That is, once the project is saved as a stanalone, it is very stable. Rev has so many more features and has to cope with cross platform compatibility. Even so, its frequent crashes (2.6 is so much better than 2.2) can become annoying unless you are prepared. In fairness, crashes have almost disappeared since 2.5 came out. I can't remember my last one. I do still occasionally encounter an unrecoverable hangup in the IDE, so Kay's advice about frequent backups is sound. Regards, Devin Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Newbie ? Answered
I would agree, backing up on a regular basis while working on a project is just good practice. When I am doing a Powerpoint or Photoshop project I back up every few minutes. I do the same in Revolution. To not do this just invites the loss. I have not experienced any crashes in REV in a long time. (knock on wood) Tom On Jul 28, 2005, at 10:19 AM, Devin Asay wrote: In fairness, crashes have almost disappeared since 2.5 came out. I can't remember my last one. I do still occasionally encounter an unrecoverable hangup in the IDE, so Kay's advice about frequent backups is sound. Regards, Devin ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Newbie ? Answered
I find that resizestack handlers with bugs in them are very prone to crashing the IDE - rev 2.5 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas McGrath III Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 10:43 AM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Newbie ? Answered I would agree, backing up on a regular basis while working on a project is just good practice. When I am doing a Powerpoint or Photoshop project I back up every few minutes. I do the same in Revolution. To not do this just invites the loss. I have not experienced any crashes in REV in a long time. (knock on wood) Tom On Jul 28, 2005, at 10:19 AM, Devin Asay wrote: In fairness, crashes have almost disappeared since 2.5 came out. I can't remember my last one. I do still occasionally encounter an unrecoverable hangup in the IDE, so Kay's advice about frequent backups is sound. Regards, Devin ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Newbie ? Answered
Jon, I am sorry, I don't experience bugs in the resizeStack handlers. Maybe you should upgrade to 2.6. Tom On Jul 28, 2005, at 11:17 AM, Lynch, Jonathan wrote: I find that resizestack handlers with bugs in them are very prone to crashing the IDE - rev 2.5 On Behalf Of Thomas McGrath III Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 10:43 AM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Newbie ? Answered I would agree, backing up on a regular basis while working on a project is just good practice. When I am doing a Powerpoint or Photoshop project I back up every few minutes. I do the same in Revolution. To not do this just invites the loss. I have not experienced any crashes in REV in a long time. (knock on wood) Tom On Jul 28, 2005, at 10:19 AM, Devin Asay wrote: In fairness, crashes have almost disappeared since 2.5 came out. I can't remember my last one. I do still occasionally encounter an unrecoverable hangup in the IDE, so Kay's advice about frequent backups is sound. Regards, Devin ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Macintosh PowerBook G-4 OSX 10.3.9, OS 9.2.2, 1.25 GHz, 512MB RAM, Rev 2.6 Advanced Media Group Eagle Works Art Sculpture Semantic Compaction Systems Prentke Romich Company Prentke Romich International SCIconics, LLC Artist Thomas J McGrath III [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Newbie ? Answered
Well, what I mean is that, if I have a bug of my own creation in a resizestack handler, it tends to crash the IDE... Like, if I have a resizestack handler that alters the size of a group to stay in proportion to the window... But then, in a substack, I forget to trap the resizestack message, and I resize that substack, it will give an error saying it could not find the group - but then I cannot just close the error message. I wind up having to ctrl-alt-delete Rev itself. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas McGrath III Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 11:33 AM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Newbie ? Answered Jon, I am sorry, I don't experience bugs in the resizeStack handlers. Maybe you should upgrade to 2.6. Tom On Jul 28, 2005, at 11:17 AM, Lynch, Jonathan wrote: I find that resizestack handlers with bugs in them are very prone to crashing the IDE - rev 2.5 On Behalf Of Thomas McGrath III Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 10:43 AM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Newbie ? Answered I would agree, backing up on a regular basis while working on a project is just good practice. When I am doing a Powerpoint or Photoshop project I back up every few minutes. I do the same in Revolution. To not do this just invites the loss. I have not experienced any crashes in REV in a long time. (knock on wood) Tom On Jul 28, 2005, at 10:19 AM, Devin Asay wrote: In fairness, crashes have almost disappeared since 2.5 came out. I can't remember my last one. I do still occasionally encounter an unrecoverable hangup in the IDE, so Kay's advice about frequent backups is sound. Regards, Devin ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Macintosh PowerBook G-4 OSX 10.3.9, OS 9.2.2, 1.25 GHz, 512MB RAM, Rev 2.6 Advanced Media Group Eagle Works Art Sculpture Semantic Compaction Systems Prentke Romich Company Prentke Romich International SCIconics, LLC Artist Thomas J McGrath III [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Newbie ? Answered
Hi Lynch, When you put some handlers which trigger system messages in a main stack script, you could add a line of code as the following: if the long ID of this stack the long ID of me then exit Handler Name This prevent sub stacks to trigger messages that are made only for the main stack. Hope this helps. Le 28 juil. 05 à 17:36, Lynch, Jonathan a écrit : Well, what I mean is that, if I have a bug of my own creation in a resizestack handler, it tends to crash the IDE... Like, if I have a resizestack handler that alters the size of a group to stay in proportion to the window... But then, in a substack, I forget to trap the resizestack message, and I resize that substack, it will give an error saying it could not find the group - but then I cannot just close the error message. I wind up having to ctrl-alt-delete Rev itself. Best Regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. So Smart Software For institutions, companies and associations Built-to-order applications: management, multimedia, internet, etc. Windows, Mac OS and Linux... With the French touch Free plugins and tutorials on my website Web sitehttp://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ Email[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Phone33 (0)1 43 31 77 62 Mobile33 (0)6 20 74 50 86 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Newbie ? Answered
That is a good idea! I have gotten in the habit of making sure my substacks trap such messages - but your way will prevent it even if I forget to do that. Thanks Eric. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Chatonet Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 11:42 AM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Newbie ? Answered Hi Lynch, When you put some handlers which trigger system messages in a main stack script, you could add a line of code as the following: if the long ID of this stack the long ID of me then exit Handler Name This prevent sub stacks to trigger messages that are made only for the main stack. Hope this helps. Le 28 juil. 05 à 17:36, Lynch, Jonathan a écrit : Well, what I mean is that, if I have a bug of my own creation in a resizestack handler, it tends to crash the IDE... Like, if I have a resizestack handler that alters the size of a group to stay in proportion to the window... But then, in a substack, I forget to trap the resizestack message, and I resize that substack, it will give an error saying it could not find the group - but then I cannot just close the error message. I wind up having to ctrl-alt-delete Rev itself. Best Regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. So Smart Software For institutions, companies and associations Built-to-order applications: management, multimedia, internet, etc. Windows, Mac OS and Linux... With the French touch Free plugins and tutorials on my website Web sitehttp://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ Email[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Phone33 (0)1 43 31 77 62 Mobile33 (0)6 20 74 50 86 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Newbie ? Answered
On 7/28/05 10:43 AM, Lynch, Jonathan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: if the long ID of this stack the long ID of me then exit Handler Name You can do this even easier by putting this in the stack script: on resizeStack if the owner of the target is me then -- do the stuff you want to do else pass resizeStack end if end resizeStack Always pass these system messages - you never know who else (plugins, etc. may need to get them in order to operate properly. Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Newbie ? Answered
Hi Lynch, Ken is right: I wrote exit but pass is much more preferable: it takes care of others :-) Le 28 juil. 05 à 20:02, Ken Ray a écrit : On 7/28/05 10:43 AM, Lynch, Jonathan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: if the long ID of this stack the long ID of me then exit Handler Name You can do this even easier by putting this in the stack script: on resizeStack if the owner of the target is me then -- do the stuff you want to do else pass resizeStack end if end resizeStack Always pass these system messages - you never know who else (plugins, etc. may need to get them in order to operate properly. Ken Ray Best Regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. So Smart Software For institutions, companies and associations Built-to-order applications: management, multimedia, internet, etc. Windows, Mac OS and Linux... With the French touch Free plugins and tutorials on my website Web sitehttp://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ Email[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Phone33 (0)1 43 31 77 62 Mobile33 (0)6 20 74 50 86 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Newbie ? Answered
Hi Everyone If you've been following my problems I'll give you an update. I converted my first HC stack yesterday. The first thing that went wrong was that when I tried to add a menubar all my objects disappeared. It turned out that I forgot to check off the Set as menubar for Mac OS box in the menu builder. When I did that I could start a new menubar and edit it to my heart's content. That was fine until I tried to edit the new menubar. In the menubuilder everything was grayed out. This problem was solved too when I went to the inspector and brought up the menubar. When I unchecked Behave like a background I solved that problem. For the moment at least I'm doing fine for now. Chances are you'll hear from me later today as my conversion education continues. Even with these problems I know I have to and enthusiastically want to finally wean myself from HyperCard. I expect that will happen by the end of the year. Thanks for everyone's help. Joe Orlando, FL ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Newbie ? Answered
On 7/27/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know I have to and enthusiastically want to finally wean myself from HyperCard. I expect that will happen by the end of the year. Wow, and I thought I was still clinging to the past. 1 x Quadra 650 on 7.6, 1 x Performa 6400 on 8.6, 2 x Beige G3s on 9.2 and everything else on OSX, yet I came to the conclusion that I had to move from HC years ago. Looked at RealBasic for a short while but Rev was the on Real choice;-) If you have persevered with HC this long, then I imagine you'll have what it takes to make the transition to Rev. If you are anything like me, then depending on the size of your stack you'll have a couple of weeks of frustration/head scratching. Then when your head (not stack) is finally converted to the Rev way, things will really start falling into place and progress will be much quicker. Also you'll come to appreciation of all the extra potential that Rev offers over HC. And then will come the desire to completely rewrite your stack - cleaner, faster, and with more features. One warning though, Rev is NOT as stable as HC, and understandably so. Rev has so many more features and has to cope with cross platform compatibility. Even so, its frequent crashes (2.6 is so much better than 2.2) can become annoying unless you are prepared. I do two things: 1) Each new day I start working on a stack, I open it, ie MyStack v87, and immediately Save As... with a new sequential number, ie MyStack v88. If I completely stuff up the stack with my 'new feature' I can always go back to yesterdays working copy. 2) EVERY time I change a script I use the Apply and Save menu. This adds a little time to the process, but you'll eventually be VERY glad you did. Good luck ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
