Re: No OpenStack ..... ! Now Ending !

[Robert Brenstein]

I more or less guessed what the files were. My problem
is not what they are for, but HOW TO STOP THEM FROM
BEING COPIED, when I move from Mac to PC. Simply
because they are a PAIN ! Sometimes I copy folders with 200
or 300 files from my Mac to my PC, and I can tell you, ignoring
these .xxx files is not as easy as it looks !

-Francis


A job for a nifty Rev plugin (or just a function) that zaps those 
files into oblivion given a folder path?


Robert
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Re: No OpenStack ..... ! Now Ending !

[Wally Rodriguez]

When you zip the files they are joined into one file, which in my  
experience, allows them to survive the transit through the many  
routers and other pieces of gear on the internet. This file is  
usually smaller than the sum of the parts as well so there are some  
time savings involved in zipping them as well.



On Mar 8, 2006, at 4:56 PM, Francis Nugent Dixon wrote:


Thanks for the clarifications. I will zip my files now before
transferring, although I would love to know WHY this solves
problems.


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Re: No OpenStack ..... ! Now Ending !

[Richard Gaskin]

Francis Nugent Dixon wrote:

and thanks for your comments about the .xxx files when
moving from Mac to PC,

I think the name of the thread has now changed to
"What the h are these files ?".

I more or less guessed what the files were. My problem
is not what they are for, but HOW TO STOP THEM FROM
BEING COPIED, when I move from Mac to PC. Simply
because they are a PAIN ! Sometimes I copy folders with 200
or 300 files from my Mac to my PC, and I can tell you, ignoring
these .xxx files is not as easy as it looks !




Good luck.

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No OpenStack ..... ! Now Ending !

[Francis Nugent Dixon]

Hi to all,

and thanks for your comments about the .xxx files when
moving from Mac to PC,

I think the name of the thread has now changed to
"What the h are these files ?".

I more or less guessed what the files were. My problem
is not what they are for, but HOW TO STOP THEM FROM
BEING COPIED, when I move from Mac to PC. Simply
because they are a PAIN ! Sometimes I copy folders with 200
or 300 files from my Mac to my PC, and I can tell you, ignoring
these .xxx files is not as easy as it looks !

-Francis

"In the quantum world, what you see is what you get and
nothing is real. The best you can hope for is a set of delusions
that agree with one another"

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Re: No OpenStack ..... ! Now Ending !

[Judy Perry]

This is exactly the same problem I had with my students last week.  Only
neither one would open.

Judy

On Thu, 9 Mar 2006, Rob Cozens wrote:

>
> Francis,
>
> > One more small point. When I drop my files onto (would
> > you believe it ?) a Lexar JumpDrive, and move to the PC,
> > I find that I have twice the files I thought. I get the same
> > number of Alias ? files, equivalent to the files I copied.
> > How do I remove this problem ?
> >
>
> I have simply ignored the files that whose names start with "._".
>
> I suspect these files contain the resource fork data -- if the file has
> any.  Since Rev stacks have nothing in the resource fork, it shouldn't
> be an issue...and hasn't been for moi.

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Re: ._ files (was: No OpenStack ..... ! Now Ending !)

[Andre Garzia]

Those prefixed files are created everytime you copy something from  
HFS, HFS+ partitions to some flat file partition such as CDFS, Fat32,  
Ext2... The finder creates it so that it does not lose resource fork  
information. Deleting it might endanger your app depending on how the  
app was programed. On an app that makes heavy use of the resource  
fork for storing icons, images and stuff, you can be sure that  
deleting that file will break things. The finder will also reassemble  
the files as they are moved back onto HFS/HFS+


Cheers
andre

PS: Gotta love those ADC docs...


On Mar 9, 2006, at 2:24 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:

What this article doesn't say is what happens if you don't see both  
file, then what does not 'safely ignoring' the file do? Is it  
unsafe to delete the file in some cases?


And how does the file get put back together? Does the OS know how  
to do this?



"The second new file has the name of the original file prefixed by  
a "._ " and contains the resource fork of the original file. If you  
see both files, the ._ file can be safely ignored. Sometimes when  
deleting a file, the ._ component will not be deleted. If this  
occurs you can safely delete the ._ file."


Tom

On Mar 9, 2006, at 12:03 PM, Robert Brenstein wrote:


Francis,


One more small point. When I drop my files onto (would
you believe it ?) a Lexar JumpDrive, and move to the PC,
I find that I have twice the files I thought. I get the same
number of Alias ? files, equivalent to the files I copied.
How do I remove this problem ?



I have simply ignored the files that whose names start with "._".

I suspect these files contain the resource fork data -- if the  
file has any.  Since Rev stacks have nothing in the resource  
fork, it shouldn't be an issue...and hasn't been for moi.


Rob Cozens, CCW
Serendipity Software Company



For those wondering about those ._ files, here is the explanation  
from the "guilty" party, Apple itself:


http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=106510

For most files, these ._ are actually empty and in case of Rev  
stacks safely ditched.


Robert



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Re: ._ files (was: No OpenStack ..... ! Now Ending !)

[Thomas McGrath III]

What this article doesn't say is what happens if you don't see both  
file, then what does not 'safely ignoring' the file do? Is it unsafe  
to delete the file in some cases?


And how does the file get put back together? Does the OS know how to  
do this?



"The second new file has the name of the original file prefixed by a  
"._ " and contains the resource fork of the original file. If you see  
both files, the ._ file can be safely ignored. Sometimes when  
deleting a file, the ._ component will not be deleted. If this occurs  
you can safely delete the ._ file."


Tom

On Mar 9, 2006, at 12:03 PM, Robert Brenstein wrote:


Francis,


One more small point. When I drop my files onto (would
you believe it ?) a Lexar JumpDrive, and move to the PC,
I find that I have twice the files I thought. I get the same
number of Alias ? files, equivalent to the files I copied.
How do I remove this problem ?



I have simply ignored the files that whose names start with "._".

I suspect these files contain the resource fork data -- if the  
file has any.  Since Rev stacks have nothing in the resource fork,  
it shouldn't be an issue...and hasn't been for moi.


Rob Cozens, CCW
Serendipity Software Company



For those wondering about those ._ files, here is the explanation  
from the "guilty" party, Apple itself:


http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=106510

For most files, these ._ are actually empty and in case of Rev  
stacks safely ditched.


Robert



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Re: ._ files (was: No OpenStack ..... ! Now Ending !)

[Robert Brenstein]

Francis,


One more small point. When I drop my files onto (would
you believe it ?) a Lexar JumpDrive, and move to the PC,
I find that I have twice the files I thought. I get the same
number of Alias ? files, equivalent to the files I copied.
How do I remove this problem ?



I have simply ignored the files that whose names start with "._".

I suspect these files contain the resource fork data -- if the file 
has any.  Since Rev stacks have nothing in the resource fork, it 
shouldn't be an issue...and hasn't been for moi.


Rob Cozens, CCW
Serendipity Software Company



For those wondering about those ._ files, here is the explanation 
from the "guilty" party, Apple itself:


http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=106510

For most files, these ._ are actually empty and in case of Rev stacks 
safely ditched.


Robert
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Re: No OpenStack ..... ! Now Ending !

[Rob Cozens]

Francis,


One more small point. When I drop my files onto (would
you believe it ?) a Lexar JumpDrive, and move to the PC,
I find that I have twice the files I thought. I get the same
number of Alias ? files, equivalent to the files I copied.
How do I remove this problem ?



I have simply ignored the files that whose names start with "._".

I suspect these files contain the resource fork data -- if the file has 
any.  Since Rev stacks have nothing in the resource fork, it shouldn't 
be an issue...and hasn't been for moi.


Rob Cozens, CCW
Serendipity Software Company

"A human being is a part of the whole, called by us "Universe," a part 
limited in time and space.  He experiences himself, his thoughts and 
feelings as something separated from the rest--a kind of optical 
delusion of his consciousness.  This delusion is a kind of prison for 
us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few 
persons nearest to us.  Our task must be to free ourselves from this 
prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living 
creatures and the whole nature in its beauty."  -- Albert Einstein


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No OpenStack ..... ! Now Ending !

[Francis Nugent Dixon]

Hi Rob,

Thanks for the clarifications. I will zip my files now before
transferring, although I would love to know WHY this solves
problems.

One more small point. When I drop my files onto (would
you believe it ?) a Lexar JumpDrive, and move to the PC,
I find that I have twice the files I thought. I get the same
number of Alias ? files, equivalent to the files I copied.
How do I remove this problem ?

Bets from Paris

-Francis

"Nothing should ever be done for the first time !"


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Re: No OpenStack ..... ! continued

[Rob Cozens]

Hi Francis,


You say  :

|  The main issue I had was created by moving uncompressed stacks from 
Mac

|  to PC.
|
|  Once I began compressing stacks on the Mac & decompressing on my 
TPC,

|  all but minor problems went away.

Could you clarify just a little please ? My curiosity is aroused !



Before I upgraded to RRv2.6.1, I was using v2.1.2 on MacOS Classic and 
MacOSX Macs.  When I renewed my license, I chose a Studio license for 
Windows, as my preferred platform is the Tablet PC.


In my first attempt at moving my Mac stacks to WinXP, I simply plugged 
my Lexar JumpDrive into a USB slot on the Mac, dragged the stack files 
to the JumpDrive, and reversed the process on the TPC.  (I had been 
using this technique to move files between MacOS Classic and MacOSX for 
some time with no problem.)


Some stacks seemed to survive this process and run OK; but others 
didn't.  Most especially, I would get "there was an error creating the 
standalone" errors from the Standalone Builder.


Based on suggestions from this List, I revised my stack file transfer 
procedure so that the stack files are compressed on the Mac before 
dragging them to the JumpDrive and decompressed on the TPC.  When this 
was done, the stacks that wouldn't build correctly previously did build 
working standalone apps.


Others used zip format, I use SDB_Tools plugIn's Compress/Expand folder 
menuItems, and one could probably use Rev's gzip facility (though the 
later must be applied on a file-by-file basis).


Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)

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No OpenStack ..... ! continued

[Francis Nugent Dixon]

Rob,

You say  :

|  The main issue I had was created by moving uncompressed stacks from 
Mac

|  to PC.
|
|  Once I began compressing stacks on the Mac & decompressing on my TPC,
|  all but minor problems went away.

Could you clarify just a little please ? My curiosity is aroused !

Thanks

-Francis

"Nothing should ever be done for the first time !"
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Re: No OpenStack ..... ! continued

[Rob Cozens]

Morning Francis,


I have other problems moving to the PC platform,



The main issue I had was created by moving uncompressed stacks from Mac 
to PC.


Once I began compressing stacks on the Mac & decompressing on my TPC, 
all but minor problems went away.


Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)



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Re: No OpenStack ..... ! continued

[Francis Nugent Dixon]

Thanks to Rob, Charles  and Jacqueline for their counsel.

I finally read up the documentation on openStack !
 (I thought it would be the same as in HyperCard,
but no). It says "Put script in first card script" (strange
place to put it !). So I did, and now it works.

You learn every day .

I have other problems moving to the PC platform,
which will possibly be the object of my next posts,
but .. "one step at a time".

-Francis

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Re: No OpenStack ..... ! continued

[Rob Cozens]

Hi Francis,


You wanted my "openStack" script, so here it is.
But I can't see anything in there that can cause
a problem. I hope it is easy to read with the folding.
It works perfectly well when I type "OpenStack" in the
message box (on my Mac).



Does your stack have a preOpenStack or preOpenCard (for card 1) handler?

If it does, try running it/them from the Message Window.

Both handlers run before openStack, and it has been my experience that 
errors in preOpenStack handlers may _not_ generate an error message.



Rob Cozens
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Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

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Re: No OpenStack ..... ! continued

[J. Landman Gay]

Francis Nugent Dixon wrote:

Hi Jacqueline,

You wanted my "openStack" script, so here it is.
But I can't see anything in there that can cause
a problem. I hope it is easy to read with the folding.
It works perfectly well when I type "OpenStack" in the
message box (on my Mac).


I'm not sure why it works on Mac either, actually, but maybe I am 
misinterpreting the script. You have many variables that are not defined:


myImpExpFileName
myDataFolderName
myPrintFileName

etc. Do you have fields that are named those things? If so, put them in 
quotation marks, like this:


if exists(field "MyImpExpFileName") then...

If you do not have fields named MyImpExpFileName, etc. then those lines 
of script will never execute. But you say they work on Mac, so maybe you 
do have fields named that way.


This looks wrong to me too:

  put "\Revolution\" into GVStackPath...

Paths in Revolution always use forward slashes, so it should be:

  put "/Revolution/" into GVStackPath

same as on Macs. This might be why the script does not work on Windows.

For a test, try making a simple stack with a simple openStack script. 
Maybe like this:


 on openstack
   put "Openstack sent"
 end openstack

Then run the stack on Windows. You should see "openstack sent" displayed 
in the message box. That means the message was sent properly.


Finally, try putting a breakpoint next to one of the lines in your 
openstack handler. When you open the stack on Windows, you should drop 
into the debugger when it finds that breakpoint. Then you can step 
through each line to see what is going wrong.


If you do not drop into the debugger, then you are right, the openstack 
message is probably not being sent to your stack. That usually means 
another script has blocked it somewhere, maybe in a frontscript.



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No OpenStack ..... ! continued

[Francis Nugent Dixon]

Hi Jacqueline,

You wanted my "openStack" script, so here it is.
But I can't see anything in there that can cause
a problem. I hope it is easy to read with the folding.
It works perfectly well when I type "OpenStack" in the
message box (on my Mac).

Thanks for looking.

-Francis

 



on openStack
  --
  -- This is a standard "OpenStack" for all my stacks. It makes  
available certain global
  -- variables which may be used if required within the stack. As  
many of my stacks use
  -- data files, photo files and print files, global variables are  
available for certain
  -- folder paths and files, and are stored in standard fields on  
card 1 of the stack, IF
  -- those fields are present. As the stack can be run on a Mac or  
a PC, a platform identity
  -- is stored in a standard field on card 1 of the main stack, IF  
this field is present.

  --
  global  
GVThisPlatform,GVStackName,GVStackLanguage,GVStackPath,GVSuffixPath

  global GVImpExpFileName,GVDataPath,GVPhotoPath,GVPrintFileName
  --
  -- V1 - 2006/02/03 - 13:50 - Creation for DreamCard - extended  
from HyperCard.

  -- V2 - 2006/02/09 - 22:30 - Added new Folder Paths.
  -- V3 - 2006/02/17 - 12:53 - Changed English/French value to 1/2  
(and not 0/1)
  --   This will allow me to access English  
or French error messages,
  --   and to set English or French labels,  
if required.
  -- V4 - 2006/02/17 - 16:00 - Simplified Global Folder Path  
definitions.
  -- V5 - 2006/03/03 - 18:00 - Removed from trial "MyHomeStack" and  
placed in all stacks.
  --   (MyHomeStack didn't satisfy me, so I  
dropped the idea !).
  -- V6 - 2006/03/04 - 15:15 - Created global variables for Data,  
Photo and Print folders and files.

  --
  -- This script initializes all of my Global Variables.
  --
  -- 1 - Set current platform Global Variable
  --
  put the platform into LVHoldPlatform
  if LVHoldPlatform = "MacOS" then put "Mac - OS X"   into  
GVThisPlatform
  if LVHoldPlatform = "Win32" then put "PC - Windows" into  
GVThisPlatform.

  --
  -- 2 - Get the Stack Name.
  --
  put the short name of this stack into GVStackName
  --
  -- 3 - Set Language - Assume English when loading stack
  --
  put 1 into GVStackLanguage
  --
  -- 4 - Fill field "MyPlatform" in card 1 of mainstack, if it  
exists.

  --
  if exists(field MyPlatform) then put GVThisPlatform into field  
MyPlatform of card 1 of stack GVStackName

  --
  -- 4 - Set my Revolution Paths. These are similar to my Hypercard  
paths but point to my Revolution
  -- folders, which are identical in levels and names, on both  
the Mac and the PC.
  -- Note that (for some reason) the Disk element (Tradition/  
or C:\) does not form part of the path.

  --
  if LVHoldPlatform = "MacOS" then
put "/Revolution/" into GVStackPath
put ".hc" into  GVSuffixPath-- Set  
up my Mac suffix for text files.
--  -- The  
.hc suffix on MY Mac system opens Microsoft Word.

  end if
  if LVHoldPlatform = "Win32" then
put "\Revolution\" into GVStackPath
put ".txt" into  GVSuffixPath   -- Set  
up my PC suffix for text files.

  end if
  put GVStackPath & GVStackName & "/Print/ImpExp.hc" into  
GVImpExpFileName

  put GVStackPath & GVStackName & "/Data/" into GVDataPath
  put GVStackPath & GVStackName & "/Photos/" into GVPhotoPath
  put GVStackPath & GVStackName & "/Print/" & GVStackName &  
GVSuffixPath into GVPrintFileName

  --
  -- Now store these variables into card 1 fields, if they exist.
  --
  if exists(field MyImpExpFileName) then put GVImpExpFileName 
into field MyImpExpFileName
  if exists(field MyDataFolderName) then put GVDataPath   
into field MyDataFolderName
  if exists(field MyPhotosFolderName) then put GVPhotoPath
into field MyPhotosFolderName
  if exists(field MyPrintFileName) then put GVPrintFileName   
into field MyPrintFileName

end openStack



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Re: No Openstack ..... !

[Charles Hartman]

So use StackRunner (which beats the pants off the Dreamcard player  
anyway) on the PC too. You can bundle it with your stack for others  
to use.


Charles


On Mar 4, 2006, at 12:58 PM, Francis Nugent Dixon wrote:


Hi from Paris,

I have just run into my first Platform problem, but in fact,
my problem started on my Mac, and hasn't gone away !.
I finished developing a stack on my Mac. During development,
I couldn't get it to run the OpenStack script (why I don't know).
I found that when using Stack Runner, OpenStack WAS executed,
so while I was testing on the Mac, each time I loaded, I executed
the openStack command from the message box, and execution
was fine (dirty but fine !). I imagined that DreamCard Player on
the PC would work the same way as Stack Runner on the Mac.

Unfortunately, when I execute the stack on my PC using the
DreamCard player, OpenStack is NOT executed, and so my
stack serves no purpose, because I initialize global variables
which are essential for execution.

So, back to the Mac to create a button to execute openStack,
then back to the PC. When I click on the button on the PC,
nothing happens, so I am back to square one. What is going
wrong, or more specifically, what am I doing wrong ?

-Francis


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Re: No Openstack ..... !

[J. Landman Gay]

Francis Nugent Dixon wrote:


So, back to the Mac to create a button to execute openStack,
then back to the PC. When I click on the button on the PC,
nothing happens, so I am back to square one. What is going
wrong, or more specifically, what am I doing wrong ?


It sounds like a platform-related script error that is causing the 
handler to abort. Can you post your openstack handler here?


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No Openstack ..... !

[Francis Nugent Dixon]

Hi from Paris,

I have just run into my first Platform problem, but in fact,
my problem started on my Mac, and hasn't gone away !.
I finished developing a stack on my Mac. During development,
I couldn't get it to run the OpenStack script (why I don't know).
I found that when using Stack Runner, OpenStack WAS executed,
so while I was testing on the Mac, each time I loaded, I executed
the openStack command from the message box, and execution
was fine (dirty but fine !). I imagined that DreamCard Player on
the PC would work the same way as Stack Runner on the Mac.

Unfortunately, when I execute the stack on my PC using the
DreamCard player, OpenStack is NOT executed, and so my
stack serves no purpose, because I initialize global variables
which are essential for execution.

So, back to the Mac to create a button to execute openStack,
then back to the PC. When I click on the button on the PC,
nothing happens, so I am back to square one. What is going
wrong, or more specifically, what am I doing wrong ?

-Francis


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Script Debug Mode Off, no openStack, etc. sent.

[Robert Eppich]

Hello all,

Using Revolution 2.2 with Mac OS X 10.3.3 I have discovered that no 
openStack, preopenStack, or startup messages are sent when the script 
debug mode is turned off and you launch Revolution 2.2 by dragging and 
dropping a stack onto Rev 2.2.

This did not happen in Rev 2.1.2. Can anyone replicate this behavior?

Thanks
Robert Eppich
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