Re: LIST and RUNREV security
Hi, I have also experienced a massive increase in Spam since posting to this list. Don't know why this particular list should be the culprit unless the ease of programming in RunRev means that some wannbe coder has turned Spammer! lol Cheers Dave On 1 Feb 2007, at 20:03, Stephen Barncard wrote: I'm still getting an inordinate amount of SPAM from scumbags that somehow harvested my special RUNREV email address. I only use this address for my business with Runrev, so I can kill it if it gets too much spam. Unfortunately, changing this email address will have to be done at five or more places. My official RunRev address, the bug-list, the two mail-lists, and the authorization for my Rev Space all use this address. How can this happen? I thought our email addresses were sacrosanct at Rev. Does my email address still get shown in plain view on the Forum and Bugzilla sites? and yes, I did file a bugzilla report on this as well. sqb -- ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: LIST and RUNREV security
It wouldn't take an infected PC to harvest emails. Our email is out on the
web:
http://mail.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2006-November/089491.html
You can tell that steps have been taken to protect it, ("at" instead of
"@"), but I am sure there are spiders sophisticated enough to figure that
out.
TTFN
Bridger Maxwell
Christa McAuliffe Space Education Center
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Re: LIST and RUNREV security
Spam is everywhere. When I worked at Netcom in San Jose I would make a test account and send email to another test account. No public exposure of any kind. Within a day or two I'd start getting spam. How they did it I don't know. I don't think there is a way to hide from a committed spammer. James Z. On 2/1/07 4:09 PM, "Joe Lewis Wilkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've noticed my spam has increased at least ten-fold since going this > list. I suspect it results from being exposed to Windows Users. I've > been on another list for over ten years and never had a spam problem, > but that list had no Windows Users on it. Just Mac. > > Joe Wilkins > ___ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: LIST and RUNREV security
An alternative would be to use a system similar to what Sourceforge uses, where the Reply To address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] in all emails, and the senders email address is munged noreply@(I think it's the mail server).sourceforge.net. Mind you, this is their Forum based system, so it wouldn't behave like this list. In any case, for RunRev to have a similar functionality and maintain the mail list as it is (ie: Not Forum based, so the Reply To would remain as it is) all they'd need to do is knock out the From field when sending out the list messages. This sill remove any email address harvesting. Cheers, Luis. Richmond Mathewson wrote: I don't know how this can be the list as such. 1. Anybody, whether a member or not, can read any message on the use-list and see any contributor's e-mail address loud and clear to the top of the page. anybody who wants to send you messages about their millions squirreled away in Swiss bank-accounts from Nigerian uncles only has to look at the use-list to find you! Spam-bots may not manage it; mind-you, I'm sure any half-competent programmer can knock together something to harvest the use-list in an hour or so. so 'security' ain't in it. And, everybody knows that as soon as you jump in the river you will get wet - even dry-suits leak, a bit. 2. I have been using my current e-mail address to send to the use-list for six months, I used a previous address (on-and-off !!!) for the same purpose for about 4 years. I have never received any more SPAM addresses since I started to use this address with the RR use-list. 3. I have started changing my e-mail address about once a year, because sometime about the 9-month stage (which, if you think a minute, is the normal incubation period) all my Nigerian relatives start contacting me with tempting offers. Don't blame the RR use-list; rather, blame yourself for being so 'foolish' as to have a computer connected to the internet at all! sincerely, Richmond Mathewson Save the last dance for me, and don't slip in the dogs mess on the way over to take my hand. ___ All New Yahoo! Mail – Tired of unwanted email come-ons? Let our SpamGuard protect you. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: LIST and RUNREV security
I've noticed my spam has increased at least ten-fold since going this list. I suspect it results from being exposed to Windows Users. I've been on another list for over ten years and never had a spam problem, but that list had no Windows Users on it. Just Mac. Joe Wilkins ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: LIST and RUNREV security
Hi Mark, > Sites such as Nabble and GMane don't display complete e-mail > addresses. I don't think it is easy to harvest addresses from > these site, although I would like to know if I am wrong. They usually make you jump through some hoops to be able to bounce back spam using their system. But that doesn't mean though that their systems don't have holes in them - in the software or in the humans running them. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks Worldwide Business Operations Runtime Revolution, Ltd ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: LIST and RUNREV security
Exactly and my point was that the Rev sites don't obfuscate email addresses like they should. Dear Lynn, Sites such as Nabble and GMane don't display complete e-mail addresses. I don't think it is easy to harvest addresses from these site, although I would like to know if I am wrong. Best, Mark -- stephen barncard s a n f r a n c i s c o - - - - - - - - - - - - ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: LIST and RUNREV security
Dear Lynn, Sites such as Nabble and GMane don't display complete e-mail addresses. I don't think it is easy to harvest addresses from these site, although I would like to know if I am wrong. Best, Mark -- Economy-x-Talk Consultancy and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Get your store on-line within minutes with Salery Web Store software. Download at http://www.salery.biz Op 1-feb-2007, om 22:43 heeft Lynn Fredricks het volgende geschreven: Also, many mailing lists are aggregated elsewhere, not always with permission, to sites such as Nabble. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks Worldwide Business Operations Runtime Revolution, Ltd ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: LIST and RUNREV security
> As soon as you post here, your e-mail address sits on > thousands of computers, regardless of the closed nature of > this list. Maybe that explains something? Still, I get "only" > a few dozens of e-mails on this address, each day, even > though I use it everywhere on the internet and it is even > available on the Economy-x-Talk web site and many other places. Also, many mailing lists are aggregated elsewhere, not always with permission, to sites such as Nabble. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks Worldwide Business Operations Runtime Revolution, Ltd ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: LIST and RUNREV security
Hi Stephen, As soon as you post here, your e-mail address sits on thousands of computers, regardless of the closed nature of this list. Maybe that explains something? Still, I get "only" a few dozens of e-mails on this address, each day, even though I use it everywhere on the internet and it is even available on the Economy-x-Talk web site and many other places. Best, Mark -- Economy-x-Talk Consultancy and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Get your store on-line within minutes with Salery Web Store software. Download at http://www.salery.biz Op 1-feb-2007, om 22:14 heeft Stephen Barncard het volgende geschreven: It's supposed to be a closed list, not publicly displayed. If that's not the case, then I'll change my email and won't post here anymore. I don't have this problem with most other mail lists. sqb ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: LIST and RUNREV security
On 1 Feb 2007, at 20:03, Stephen Barncard wrote: I'm still getting an inordinate amount of SPAM from scumbags that somehow harvested my special RUNREV email address. I only use this address for my business with Runrev, so I can kill it if it gets too much spam. Unfortunately, changing this email address will have to be done at five or more places. My official RunRev address, the bug-list, the two mail-lists, and the authorization for my Rev Space all use this address. How can this happen? I thought our email addresses were sacrosanct at Rev. Does my email address still get shown in plain view on the Forum and Bugzilla sites? One problem is that your email address is on the computers of all subscribers to the list. (I can see it right in front of me.) I hear enough about spyware to think it's not unlikely that at least one subscriber has been infected by something that harvests addresses from the local hard drive. I don't think there's much you can do about that. Cheers Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: LIST and RUNREV security
Stephen , Have you considered the possibility that any list member could have an infected PC with your email address in the archives of his/her email client ? JB > I'm still getting an inordinate amount of SPAM from scumbags that > somehow harvested my special RUNREV email address. I only use this > address for my business with Runrev, so I can kill it if it gets too > much spam. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: LIST and RUNREV security
It's supposed to be a closed list, not publicly displayed. If that's not the case, then I'll change my email and won't post here anymore. I don't have this problem with most other mail lists. sqb Stephen, What makes you think that you shouldn't get spam, as soon as you write one e-mail to this list? Best, Mark -- -- stephen barncard s a n f r a n c i s c o - - - - - - - - - - - - ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: LIST and RUNREV security
Stephen, What makes you think that you shouldn't get spam, as soon as you write one e-mail to this list? Best, Mark -- Economy-x-Talk Consultancy and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Get your store on-line within minutes with Salery Web Store software. Download at http://www.salery.biz Op 1-feb-2007, om 21:03 heeft Stephen Barncard het volgende geschreven: I'm still getting an inordinate amount of SPAM from scumbags that somehow harvested my special RUNREV email address. I only use this address for my business with Runrev, so I can kill it if it gets too much spam. Unfortunately, changing this email address will have to be done at five or more places. My official RunRev address, the bug-list, the two mail-lists, and the authorization for my Rev Space all use this address. How can this happen? I thought our email addresses were sacrosanct at Rev. Does my email address still get shown in plain view on the Forum and Bugzilla sites? and yes, I did file a bugzilla report on this as well. sqb -- stephen barncard s a n f r a n c i s c o ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
