Re: Revolution in Programming for Dummies (was RE: Rev_rant part 4)

[Chipp Walters]

On 11/15/06, Kay C Lan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I
On 11/15/06, Lynn Fredricks reponded:


> Aha, that would be telling! ;-)


Lynn responded to Sarah with:

Its not telling the whole story there :-)




Give it a day or two, I'm sure Lynn will point us to the answer over at the
rev forums ;-)
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Re: Revolution in Programming for Dummies (was RE: Rev_rant part 4)

[Kay C Lan]

I asked:

Is there some kind of deal on Rev


On 11/15/06, Lynn Fredricks reponded:



Aha, that would be telling! ;-)



On 11/15/06 Sarah Reichelt did some snooping:

According to the web page


http://www.dummies.com/WileyCDA/DummiesTitle/productCd-0470088702,subcat-PROGRAMMING.html
>,
this is what comes with the book:
Liberty BASIC, REALbasic, Dev-C++, Valentina, Galaxy, and Revolution
Studio demo versions



To which I jokingly think to myself, if your name was Richmond you'd get
yourself 'de-listed' for that;-)

Lynn responded to Sarah with:

Its not telling the whole story there :-)


To which I think to myself:

Richmond, keep well away from the bag that sounds like a cat!!

(All in jest) :-)))
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RE: Revolution in Programming for Dummies (was RE: Rev_rant part 4)

[Lynn Fredricks]

> There are times when C/C++ is the only way to go. But there are 
> > specific advantages to a product like Revolution, and one 
> of them is 
> > the ability to whip out a prototype or custom utility very, very 
> > quickly, and deploy it on multiple operating systems - "very, very 
> > quickly on runs natively on operating systems" means something, and 
> > having to spend
> > x5 the
> > time in creating a cross-platform app with C++ means at 
> least x5 the 
> > budget is needed. That makes Rev an inviting choice to 
> those who pay 
> > the wages of the doubters.
> 
> Yes, that's how I sell it I also write external commands 
> where necessary to speed up any areas that are too slow using 
> TranScript (such as heavy image processing). However, what 
> really sells the product (for me) is that using ISM I can 
> speed up the development even further, since I can literally 
> re-use 99% of my screen objects and code.

There you go :-)

Best regards,


Lynn Fredricks
Worldwide Business Operations
Runtime Revolution, Ltd

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Re: Revolution in Programming for Dummies (was RE: Rev_rant part 4)

[Dave]

On 14 Nov 2006, at 22:21, Lynn Fredricks wrote:


That's very interesting - I had no idea that Rev was
receiving any mainstream coverage as a platform.  I'll have
to take a look at that book next time I'm in a bookshop.  Now
that I think of it, it is obvious that any book that was
really interested in getting someone started with programming
(especially any GUI programming) should be using Rev as a
teaching device.

However, I doubt it if would cut any ice with Dave's
colleagues writing in C++, XML, Postscript, etc.  :-)


He can point out that its accepted enough to gather interest from  
the book

market - which is quite conservative.


I really don't need to do that. I have over 30+ years experience in  
the software/hardware industry and have built a really cool group of  
stacks that I demo to the engineers or managers and show them how  
easy it is to develop in RunRev/ISM. They fall in love with it. The  
problem is that when they read the sales small print (in this case)  
and see support is not included. Also I have developed my system in  
2,6,6 (2.6,1?) and they can only download 2.7.x which had a lot of  
problems with Windows XP and caused headaches because of the  
stackVersion problem.




There are plenty of shops that feel strongly about one particular  
language
or the other - plenty of C/C++ developers that think of Visual  
Basic as a

"toy language".


This is true, but there are also a lot of other developers that think  
it's cool and the right tool for writing GUI's. Also there are also  
lots of managers that want to pay less for software development. I've  
sold3 or  4 copies of RunRev up to now, and could probably have  
doubled that if not for the issues that I have mentioned.



There are times when C/C++ is the only way to go. But there
are specific advantages to a product like Revolution, and one of  
them is the
ability to whip out a prototype or custom utility very, very  
quickly, and

deploy it on multiple operating systems - "very, very quickly on runs
natively on operating systems" means something, and having to spend  
x5 the
time in creating a cross-platform app with C++ means at least x5  
the budget
is needed. That makes Rev an inviting choice to those who pay the  
wages of

the doubters.


Yes, that's how I sell it I also write external commands where  
necessary to speed up any areas that are too slow using TranScript  
(such as heavy image processing). However, what really sells the  
product (for me) is that using ISM I can speed up the development  
even further, since I can literally re-use 99% of my screen objects  
and code.




All the Best
Dave

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RE: Revolution in Programming for Dummies (was RE: Rev_rant part 4)

[Judy Perry]

This is REALLY lovely news!

Gotta go buy that book!  If nothing else, I can show it to my department
the next time I ask..., er, beg, them for new Rev licenses for my lab :-D

Judy

On Tue, 14 Nov 2006, Lynn Fredricks wrote:

> > Is there some kind of deal on Rev as well (Free 2.2.1
> > license?) Whenever
> > I've purchased this kind of book before there's always been
> > some kind of
> > restricted use product (Codewarrior/RB) with deals on
> > upgrading to the full
> > package.
>
> Aha, that would be telling! ;-) Once must acquire the book or wait for the
> official press release to find out what free goodies are on the disk, and
> whose Rev made or Rev related programs got onto the disk or appear as
> screenshots therein... :-)
>
> > As a hobbyist myself I expect this bodes well for me - should
> > introduce more
> > 'part time programmers' to Rev which should keep the pressure
> > on Rev to tier
> > their product aggressively to catch potential customers.
> > Particularly it
> > should be a constant reminder to Rev that it IS a valid entry
> > level product
> > - IMHO it is THE entry level product:-) I've occasionally
> > been concerned by
> > OT  discussions on this list suggesting Rev leave the
> > hobbyists behind and
> > focus on the big spenders:-(
>
> Don't forget Revolution Media. Comes with some nice templates and costs less
> than an Xbox 360 game :-)
>
> Best regards,
>
>
> Lynn Fredricks
> Worldwide Business Operations
> Runtime Revolution, Ltd
>
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RE: Revolution in Programming for Dummies (was RE: Rev_rant part 4)

[Lynn Fredricks]

> According to the web page
>  8702,subcat-PROGRAMMING.html>,
> this is what comes with the book:
> Liberty BASIC, REALbasic, Dev-C++, Valentina, Galaxy, and 
> Revolution Studio demo versions

Its not telling the whole story there :-)

Best regards,


Lynn Fredricks
Worldwide Business Operations
Runtime Revolution, Ltd


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Re: Revolution in Programming for Dummies (was RE: Rev_rant part 4)

[Sarah Reichelt]

Only three languages are covered in the book - one is Rev and yes, its
> treated very favorably :-) Wally Wang has been working on this revision
> for
> over a year.
>

Is there some kind of deal on Rev as well (Free 2.2.1 license?) Whenever
I've purchased this kind of book before there's always been some kind of
restricted use product (Codewarrior/RB) with deals on upgrading to the full
package.



According to the web page
,
this is what comes with the book:
Liberty BASIC, REALbasic, Dev-C++, Valentina, Galaxy, and Revolution
Studio demo versions

Sarah
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RE: Revolution in Programming for Dummies (was RE: Rev_rant part 4)

[Lynn Fredricks]

> Is there some kind of deal on Rev as well (Free 2.2.1 
> license?) Whenever
> I've purchased this kind of book before there's always been 
> some kind of
> restricted use product (Codewarrior/RB) with deals on 
> upgrading to the full
> package.

Aha, that would be telling! ;-) Once must acquire the book or wait for the
official press release to find out what free goodies are on the disk, and
whose Rev made or Rev related programs got onto the disk or appear as
screenshots therein... :-)

> As a hobbyist myself I expect this bodes well for me - should 
> introduce more
> 'part time programmers' to Rev which should keep the pressure 
> on Rev to tier
> their product aggressively to catch potential customers. 
> Particularly it
> should be a constant reminder to Rev that it IS a valid entry 
> level product
> - IMHO it is THE entry level product:-) I've occasionally 
> been concerned by
> OT  discussions on this list suggesting Rev leave the 
> hobbyists behind and
> focus on the big spenders:-(

Don't forget Revolution Media. Comes with some nice templates and costs less
than an Xbox 360 game :-)

Best regards,


Lynn Fredricks
Worldwide Business Operations
Runtime Revolution, Ltd

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Re: Revolution in Programming for Dummies (was RE: Rev_rant part 4)

[Kay C Lan]

On 11/15/06, Lynn Fredricks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Only three languages are covered in the book - one is Rev and yes, its

treated very favorably :-) Wally Wang has been working on this revision
for
over a year.



Is there some kind of deal on Rev as well (Free 2.2.1 license?) Whenever
I've purchased this kind of book before there's always been some kind of
restricted use product (Codewarrior/RB) with deals on upgrading to the full
package.

As a hobbyist myself I expect this bodes well for me - should introduce more
'part time programmers' to Rev which should keep the pressure on Rev to tier
their product aggressively to catch potential customers. Particularly it
should be a constant reminder to Rev that it IS a valid entry level product
- IMHO it is THE entry level product:-) I've occasionally been concerned by
OT  discussions on this list suggesting Rev leave the hobbyists behind and
focus on the big spenders:-(
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RE: Revolution in Programming for Dummies (was RE: Rev_rant part 4)

[Lynn Fredricks]

> That's very interesting - I had no idea that Rev was 
> receiving any mainstream coverage as a platform.  I'll have 
> to take a look at that book next time I'm in a bookshop.  Now 
> that I think of it, it is obvious that any book that was 
> really interested in getting someone started with programming 
> (especially any GUI programming) should be using Rev as a 
> teaching device.
> 
> However, I doubt it if would cut any ice with Dave's 
> colleagues writing in C++, XML, Postscript, etc.  :-)

He can point out that its accepted enough to gather interest from the book
market - which is quite conservative.

There are plenty of shops that feel strongly about one particular language
or the other - plenty of C/C++ developers that think of Visual Basic as a
"toy language". There are times when C/C++ is the only way to go. But there
are specific advantages to a product like Revolution, and one of them is the
ability to whip out a prototype or custom utility very, very quickly, and
deploy it on multiple operating systems - "very, very quickly on runs
natively on operating systems" means something, and having to spend x5 the
time in creating a cross-platform app with C++ means at least x5 the budget
is needed. That makes Rev an inviting choice to those who pay the wages of
the doubters.

> Lynn, until I can get a look at that book, are you saying 
> that his treatment of Rev is more favourable than the others? 
>  Do you know what the sales figures are for the book?  If the 
> answer to the first question is 'yes', and the second is 'a 
> lot', then that should be good news for Rev sales.

Only three languages are covered in the book - one is Rev and yes, its
treated very favorably :-) Wally Wang has been working on this revision for
over a year.

Best regards,


Lynn Fredricks
Worldwide Business Operations
Runtime Revolution, Ltd

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