Re: RunRev logos

[Bill Vlahos]

I would like a horizontally oriented logo to use. The current logos  
are too vertically oriented for where I'd like to place them. The  
RealBasic logo image that is commonly used is an example of what I'm  
talking about.


Bill

On Aug 24, 2006, at 8:56 AM, Lynn Fredricks wrote:


It would be useful if a high-resolution version, a small
72dpi version, and a EPS version of the RunRev logo in the
current style were always available on the RunRev web site,
together with high-res pictures of the RunRev staff ;-)


I think this is easy enough to do. There's been a press page  
planned for
some time with support materials that can have these sizes plus  
some - minus

the runrev staff photos ;-)

Best regards,


Lynn Fredricks
Worldwide Business Operations
Runtime Revolution, Ltd


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RE: RunRev logos

[Lynn Fredricks]

> It would be useful if a high-resolution version, a small 
> 72dpi version, and a EPS version of the RunRev logo in the 
> current style were always available on the RunRev web site, 
> together with high-res pictures of the RunRev staff ;-)

I think this is easy enough to do. There's been a press page planned for
some time with support materials that can have these sizes plus some - minus
the runrev staff photos ;-)

Best regards,


Lynn Fredricks
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Re: RunRev logos

[Stephen Barncard]

Garrett, if you don't get it you don't get it. You can't even read 
the statement correctly, which used the phrase 'Encouraged to use 
logos' NOT 'must use'. You're just looking for a fight. A troller.


Quite frankly, something about Rev really bugs you, and it's not the 
software. Perhaps you don't like our culture, and your posts have 
often been provocative and pugilistic. If you don't come into this 
scene with an open heart, then you won't get what you want. This goes 
for life too. Get one.


So if you must leave, leave now. Thanks, I appreciate it. I'm sick of 
hearing your childish rants, and how we're a bunch of losers because 
we subscribe to Revolution.


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Garrett Hylltun wrote:


Ok...  Well that just put the nail in the coffin for me and Rev.
I didn't pay all this damn money so I could put their copyright 
statement along with mine on anything I do.  If this was a free 
version I was using then I c





keep your blinders on and praise it all you want, but for me, I'm out of here!

-Garrett



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Re: RunRev logos

[Richard Gaskin]

Mark Schonewille wrote:

It would be useful if a high-resolution version, a small 72dpi  
version, and a EPS version of the RunRev logo in the current style  
were always available on the RunRev web site, together with high-res  
pictures of the RunRev staff ;-)


In kilts.

:)

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Re: RunRev logos

[Mark Schonewille]

Lynn,

It would be useful if a high-resolution version, a small 72dpi  
version, and a EPS version of the RunRev logo in the current style  
were always available on the RunRev web site, together with high-res  
pictures of the RunRev staff ;-)


Best,

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Op 22-aug-2006, om 23:46 heeft Lynn Fredricks het volgende geschreven:

If there is a specific set of size/formats that everyone wants, I  
can have

these put together in a separate download.

Best regards,


Lynn Fredricks
Worldwide Business Operations
Runtime Revolution, Ltd


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RE: RunRev logos

[Lynn Fredricks]

If there is a specific set of size/formats that everyone wants, I can have
these put together in a separate download.

Best regards,


Lynn Fredricks
Worldwide Business Operations
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Re: RunRev logos

[J. Landman Gay]

Garrett Hylltun wrote:


I 
didn't pay all this damn money so I could put their copyright statement 
along with mine on anything I do.


It's pretty much boilerplate standard. Look in any About box or credits 
listing for almost any product and you'll see attributions for other 
development systems. I recall "Portions copyright by Think C" on almost 
every program I ran on OS 9. The attribution does not have to be 
prominent, nor do you need to use the logo, nor do you need to make a 
big deal out of it. I generally put a tiny line of type at the bottom of 
a credits listing. That's all that's needed. And when it comes right 
down to it, I doubt very much that RR will prosecute you if you happen 
to omit it. This is really a minor thing to get upset about.


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Re: RunRev logos

[Mark Smith]

Do you really mean to say that since Rev apparently doesn't provide  
the cost/benefit that you want, any and all of 'us' are wearing  
'blinders' if we have had a different experience? That is fairly  
insulting.


Still, best of luck,

Mark


On 22 Aug 2006, at 20:44, Garrett Hylltun wrote:

The rest of you can continue to keep your blinders on and praise it  
all you want, but for me, I'm out of here!


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Re: RunRev logos

[Richard Gaskin]

Garrett wrote:

In the license agreement, there is a Revolution copyright statement  
that you must include along with your own copyright statements.  
Including the rev logo is optional, but encouraged.


Ok...  Well that just put the nail in the coffin for me and Rev.   
I didn't pay all this damn money so I could put their copyright  
statement along with mine on anything I do.  If this was a free  
version I was using then I could see doing something like that, even  
putting their logo all over it, but not after having to pay so much  
money, and continue to pay so much money if I want updates or upgrade/ 
updates, or whatever they want to call them.


Most companies charge for upgrades, and I haven't seen a software 
package yet that doesn't have bugs.  The trick of course is to find the 
right balance between bugs and marketability.  I don't have the stats on 
how Rev measures up against other apps for bugs/KLOC, but for myself and 
most of the folks here the balance is in their favor relative to the 
productivity it allows me to deliver to my clients.


Search for "good enough software" for some good reading on the topic; 
there are some who argue against shipping with any known bugs, and 
indeed I try to get my own stuff as close to that as practical, but in 
general the "Good Enough" philosophy helps apps ship and delivers more 
value to customers more quickly than attempting perfection.


As for the copyright notice, I think you'll find that with just about 
any libraries, components, frameworks, or anything else.  Modern 
software is just too complex to write without using at least a framework 
written by someone else, and that someone usually wants appropriate 
copyright protection for their contribution.


Going back as far as MacApp Apple required a notice, THINK C required 
one, Code Warrior required one, and Rev requires one.  It's pretty 
customary, unless you're writing everything 100% from scratch.


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Re: RunRev logos

[Marian Petrides]

Garrett

This fairly standard verbiage and should be no big deal.  If you pay  
attention to the software you use daily, I bet you'll find a number  
of programs that include a statement something like this:  "Portions  
copyright(c)   ...some other guy's software company"  I can't  
recall offhand where I've seen it before, but I know I have.  In  
fact, I'm pretty sure I ended up having to give credit to Apple for  
something or another when I published my software.


Marian


On Aug 22, 2006, at 2:44 PM, Garrett Hylltun wrote:



On Aug 22, 2006, at 2:30 AM, Martin Baxter wrote:


Garrett Hylltun wrote:

On Aug 21, 2006, at 8:30 PM, Jan Schenkel wrote:
[snip]

The license still 'encourages' us to place these
logos.
U, without trying to start something here. You mean that  
we're suppose to be putting a logo or some credit to Runtime in  
our apps?

-Garrett


In the license agreement, there is a Revolution copyright  
statement that you must include along with your own copyright  
statements. Including the rev logo is optional, but encouraged.


Ok...  Well that just put the nail in the coffin for me and  
Rev.  I didn't pay all this damn money so I could put their  
copyright statement along with mine on anything I do.  If this was  
a free version I was using then I could see doing something like  
that, even putting their logo all over it, but not after having to  
pay so much money, and continue to pay so much money if I want  
updates or upgrade/updates, or whatever they want to call them.


It's buggy, too expensive, price structure that's intended to suck  
the blood of it's users, introducing new features, err, bugs in  
updates instead of focusing on smashing as many bugs as possible  
already in Rev On and on and on the list goes why Rev is such a  
major disappointment.


I feel like I've been totally ripped off here.  The rest of you can  
continue to keep your blinders on and praise it all you want, but  
for me, I'm out of here!


-Garrett

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Re: RunRev logos

[Garrett Hylltun]

On Aug 22, 2006, at 2:30 AM, Martin Baxter wrote:


Garrett Hylltun wrote:

On Aug 21, 2006, at 8:30 PM, Jan Schenkel wrote:
[snip]

The license still 'encourages' us to place these
logos.
U, without trying to start something here. You mean that  
we're suppose to be putting a logo or some credit to Runtime in  
our apps?

-Garrett


In the license agreement, there is a Revolution copyright statement  
that you must include along with your own copyright statements.  
Including the rev logo is optional, but encouraged.


Ok...  Well that just put the nail in the coffin for me and Rev.   
I didn't pay all this damn money so I could put their copyright  
statement along with mine on anything I do.  If this was a free  
version I was using then I could see doing something like that, even  
putting their logo all over it, but not after having to pay so much  
money, and continue to pay so much money if I want updates or upgrade/ 
updates, or whatever they want to call them.


It's buggy, too expensive, price structure that's intended to suck  
the blood of it's users, introducing new features, err, bugs in  
updates instead of focusing on smashing as many bugs as possible  
already in Rev On and on and on the list goes why Rev is such a  
major disappointment.


I feel like I've been totally ripped off here.  The rest of you can  
continue to keep your blinders on and praise it all you want, but for  
me, I'm out of here!


-Garrett

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Re: RunRev logos

[Martin Baxter]

Garrett Hylltun wrote:


On Aug 21, 2006, at 8:30 PM, Jan Schenkel wrote:

[snip]


The license still 'encourages' us to place these
logos.


U, without trying to start something here. You mean that we're 
suppose to be putting a logo or some credit to Runtime in our apps?


-Garrett


In the license agreement, there is a Revolution copyright statement that 
you must include along with your own copyright statements. Including the 
rev logo is optional, but encouraged.


Martin Baxter
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Re: RunRev logos

[Klaus Major]

Hi Bill,


Yes, I wish they had just given us a decent .eps


you'll find some EPS files in that folder, too 8-)


The license still 'encourages' us to place these
logos.
U, without trying to start something here. You mean that  
we're

suppose to be putting a logo or some credit to Runtime in our apps?
and some of the logos seem very messed up (the small pct, png and  
gif) -
it looks like the image has been scaled to make it smaller than  
the full
size version, but there's a white cutout that's still the full  
size and

the image is being drawn onto that.


Regards

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Re: RunRev logos

[Bill Marriott]

Yes, I wish they had just given us a decent .eps

>>>The license still 'encourages' us to place these
>>>logos.
>>
>>U, without trying to start something here. You mean that we're 
>>suppose to be putting a logo or some credit to Runtime in our apps?
>
> and some of the logos seem very messed up (the small pct, png and gif) - 
> it looks like the image has been scaled to make it smaller than the full 
> size version, but there's a white cutout that's still the full size and 
> the image is being drawn onto that. 



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Re: RunRev logos

[Phil Jimmieson]

On Aug 21, 2006, at 8:30 PM, Jan Schenkel wrote:

[snip]


The license still 'encourages' us to place these
logos.


U, without trying to start something here. You mean that 
we're suppose to be putting a logo or some credit to Runtime in our 
apps?


and some of the logos seem very messed up (the small pct, png and 
gif) - it looks like the image has been scaled to make it smaller 
than the full size version, but there's a white cutout that's still 
the full size and the image is being drawn onto that.


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Re: RunRev logos

[Garrett Hylltun]

On Aug 21, 2006, at 8:30 PM, Jan Schenkel wrote:

[snip]


The license still 'encourages' us to place these
logos.


U, without trying to start something here. You mean that  
we're suppose to be putting a logo or some credit to Runtime in our  
apps?


-Garrett

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Re: RunRev logos

[Sarah Reichelt]

On 8/22/06, J. Landman Gay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Sarah Reichelt wrote:
> In earlier versions of Revolution, they used to supply a set of image
> files with RunRev logos which we were supposed to display in our apps.
> I cannot find these files in any 2.7.x folders. I guess I can dig back
> through my archives and find older copies, but does this mean it is no
> longer expected that we give credit to RunRev in our apps? They used
> to supply some text as well.
>
> What's the story and what should I do?

I've got a folder called "Supporting Materials" in the root level of my
Revolution Enterprise main folder, the one that holds all the various
versions. The logos are in there.



Ah yes, I see it now. I was looking in the version folders a level
down from that. Thanks.

Sarah
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Re: RunRev logos

[J. Landman Gay]

Sarah Reichelt wrote:

In earlier versions of Revolution, they used to supply a set of image
files with RunRev logos which we were supposed to display in our apps.
I cannot find these files in any 2.7.x folders. I guess I can dig back
through my archives and find older copies, but does this mean it is no
longer expected that we give credit to RunRev in our apps? They used
to supply some text as well.

What's the story and what should I do?


I've got a folder called "Supporting Materials" in the root level of my 
Revolution Enterprise main folder, the one that holds all the various 
versions. The logos are in there.


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Re: RunRev logos

[Jan Schenkel]

--- Sarah Reichelt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In earlier versions of Revolution, they used to
> supply a set of image
> files with RunRev logos which we were supposed to
> display in our apps.
> I cannot find these files in any 2.7.x folders. I
> guess I can dig back
> through my archives and find older copies, but does
> this mean it is no
> longer expected that we give credit to RunRev in our
> apps? They used
> to supply some text as well.
> 
> What's the story and what should I do?
> 
> Cheers,
> Sarah
> 

Hi Sarah,

They're still there, but no longer a copy per version.
On Windows, inside the \Program Files\Revolution
[Media|Studio|Enterprise] directory is a subdirectory
'Supporting Materials' which has a subdirectory 'Made
With Logos'.
Likewise on MacOS, in your /Applications/Revolution
[Media|Studio|Enterprise] folder you'll find a folder
'Supporting Materials' which has a subfolder 'Made
With Logos'
The license still 'encourages' us to place these
logos.

Hope this helped,

Jan Schenkel.

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