Re: [OT] G4 goes West

2010-07-10 Thread Richmond

On 07/10/2010 05:10 AM, Kay C Lan wrote:

On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 11:43 PM, Jeff Reynoldsj...@siphonophore.comwrote:

   

you might want to think about grabbing a little temperature probe.

 

This might be an easier option:

http://www.bresink.de/osx/0TemperatureMonitor/issues.html
   


I have been using this for about 3-4 years; that is how I realised that 
things were 'cooking'.


Certainly on the G4 MDD is gives readings for the Hard Drives and the 
CPU; which is quite
enough to set you worrying without any other probes, readings or 
what-have-you.



note the hardware support for older models is trial and error.

Not for the G4, but I also recommend this for any modern Mac portable owner,
including the Mac Mini:

http://www.eidac.de/?p=134

Just prior to rendering video I start this up and have it set to 4000 rpm,
which gives the fan a head start on the inevitable heat rise.

Both are free :-)
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Re: [OT] G4 goes West

2010-07-09 Thread viktoras d.
b.t.w. may I ask (as a non native English speaker) what is the 
difference between going West (is it good?) and going South (the 
later seems quite negative) ? Are the any other ways like going North, 
going East or going SouthEast with some very special meanings in 
them :-)?


Viktoras

Mark Wieder wrote:

Richmond-

Thursday, July 8, 2010, 11:19:36 AM, you wrote:

  

Umwhiles I promised I would post pictures of my PPC Mac's
triple-bypass.



Never underestimate the power of blue rubber thingies...

  


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Re: [OT] G4 goes West

2010-07-09 Thread Colin Holgate
I hadn't seen anyone use the expression going west before, so I just took it 
to mean going south, with some misdirection (as it were) for the sake of 
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Re: [OT] G4 goes West

2010-07-09 Thread Peter W A Wood
This may help - http://www.encyclo.co.uk/define/Gone%20West
On 9 Jul 2010, at 21:12, Colin Holgate wrote:

 I hadn't seen anyone use the expression going west before, so I just took 
 it to mean going south, with some misdirection (as it were) for the sake of 
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Re: [OT] G4 goes West

2010-07-09 Thread Mike Bonner
My guess as to the americanized meaning of gone west is from the
colonial days. Actually had 2 connotations.  First connotation was
that to the west (unexplored areas) was a land of opportunity.  Head
west young man meant, go and seek your fortune.  Due to the same
usage it also had a negative connotation.  Since a young man heading
west would most likely never been seen again by his family, the family
left behind in the east when asked what happened to that son of
yours would reply.. Hes gone west. Implying never to be seen again,
current fate unknown, but still with implicit hope for the success of
the missing family member.

Read somewhere that much ealier going west was equated with death and dying.

Gone south has a few things adding to it's negative connotations.
During the civil war, anything in the south (by the north) was viewed
as being a bad thing. Northerners who believed in the views of the
south and must be of lower intelligence.  There is also a theory (that
I also read somewhere I can't remember) that it has to do with General
Sherman headig south to the burning of Atlanta.

In addition, outlaws trying to escape justice would head towards
mexico, they also went south Then add on to this that maps show
north as up south as down, up being equated with more, down with
less.. (look at stock charts. Up is good, down is bad) and you get
quite a lot of weight in the south is bad' bag of tricks.



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Re: [OT] G4 goes West

2010-07-09 Thread Richmond

On 07/09/2010 02:21 PM, viktoras d. wrote:
b.t.w. may I ask (as a non native English speaker) what is the 
difference between going West (is it good?) and going South (the 
later seems quite negative) ? Are the any other ways like going 
North, going East or going SouthEast with some very special 
meanings in them :-)?


Viktoras

Mark Wieder wrote:

Richmond-

Thursday, July 8, 2010, 11:19:36 AM, you wrote:


Umwhiles I promised I would post pictures of my PPC Mac's
triple-bypass.


Never underestimate the power of blue rubber thingies...



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My G4 Mac had almost died. Now 'Scot' means people who come from Ireland;
and all Gaels (whether from Hibernia, Man or Caledonia) go, at the end 
of their lives,
to the Land of the Blessed which is to the west, just over the 
horizon. So Gone west

is a nunco phrase fae handit in yer dinner pail !
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Re: [OT] G4 goes West

2010-07-09 Thread Jeff Reynolds

Richmond,

nice frankensteining! did you scream its alive when you turned the  
power back on?


you might want to think about grabbing a little temperature probe. you  
can get these for less than $10 these days and they usually fit in a  
bay cover space and have an in-line drive vampire plug for power. you  
can then put the probe in different areas to monitor the temp. some  
even have an alarm.


i found these really useful on one exhibit installation where some of  
the cabinets i had gear in would have some equipment shutdowns (mainly  
mpeg players) turned out to be cabinet specific. even though the  
cabinet had a fan when closed there turned out to be a really large  
temp differential in the closed beast. was able to determine this by  
some testing with the probe in different places. then some  
rearrangement of components and fan location solved everything! bought  
a probe then for each cabinet and put the probe next to the most  
sensitive piece of gear and set the alarm just below failure temp.  
worked like a charm!


even though the g4 is cooler now, you never know when it might suck up  
a big cat hair ball and start overheating again!


cheers

jeff


On Jul 9, 2010, at 11:20 AM, use-revolution-requ...@lists.runrev.com  
wrote:



Umwhiles I promised I would post pictures of my PPC Mac's
triple-bypass.

Here they are:

http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/maxx.html

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson.


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Re: [OT] G4 goes West

2010-07-09 Thread Richmond

On 07/09/2010 06:43 PM, Jeff Reynolds wrote:

Richmond,

nice frankensteining! did you scream its alive when you turned the 
power back on?


No; bit I remember the part in young Frankenstein when 'Eye-Gor' comes 
back with a brain

in a jar labelled A. B. Normal. . .  :)



you might want to think about grabbing a little temperature probe. you 
can get these for less than $10 these days and they usually fit in a 
bay cover space and have an in-line drive vampire plug for power. you 
can then put the probe in different areas to monitor the temp. some 
even have an alarm.


i found these really useful on one exhibit installation where some of 
the cabinets i had gear in would have some equipment shutdowns (mainly 
mpeg players) turned out to be cabinet specific. even though the 
cabinet had a fan when closed there turned out to be a really large 
temp differential in the closed beast. was able to determine this by 
some testing with the probe in different places. then some 
rearrangement of components and fan location solved everything! bought 
a probe then for each cabinet and put the probe next to the most 
sensitive piece of gear and set the alarm just below failure temp. 
worked like a charm!


even though the g4 is cooler now, you never know when it might suck up 
a big cat hair ball and start overheating again!




Especially as my cat seems to like to snooze just behind the machine!
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Re: [OT] G4 goes West

2010-07-09 Thread Kay C Lan
On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 11:43 PM, Jeff Reynolds j...@siphonophore.comwrote:


 you might want to think about grabbing a little temperature probe.


This might be an easier option:

http://www.bresink.de/osx/0TemperatureMonitor/issues.html

note the hardware support for older models is trial and error.

Not for the G4, but I also recommend this for any modern Mac portable owner,
including the Mac Mini:

http://www.eidac.de/?p=134

Just prior to rendering video I start this up and have it set to 4000 rpm,
which gives the fan a head start on the inevitable heat rise.

Both are free :-)
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Re: [OT] G4 goes West

2010-07-08 Thread Mark Wieder
Richmond-

Thursday, July 8, 2010, 11:19:36 AM, you wrote:

 Umwhiles I promised I would post pictures of my PPC Mac's
 triple-bypass.

Never underestimate the power of blue rubber thingies...

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Re: [OT] G4 goes West

2010-06-15 Thread Bob Sneidar
Hey now! The technology didn't fail, they had some kind of manufacturing defect 
which ate a disk which in turn made the drive destroy every disk you put in 
afterwards. But the technology was sound. Just wanted to make that distinction. 

Something similar happened to the Jazz disks too, but they were solid disks. 
The drives started destroying disks. That was pretty much the end of them. 
sigh sad days. 

Bob


On Jun 12, 2010, at 10:07 AM, stephen barncard wrote:

 Remember zips are still 'floppy disks' with higher
 density and the failed 'Bernoulli' technology.

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Re: [OT] G4 goes West

2010-06-15 Thread Andre Garzia
Bob,

that also happened to zip disks... it was called the click of death... I
experienced that while backing up a G3 while its hard drive was failing and
I was desperatelly copying the data, I could copy maybe 3 or 4 disks before
I heard the click... what a horrible sound... CLICK, B, CLICK, BR,
CLICK... one less zip disk. The hard drive finished failing. I had 4 backup
disks and no zip drive to use them anymore. In the end, I bought another one
just to recover my backup. Argh!

Never bought another IOMega product again.



On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 1:52 PM, Bob Sneidar b...@twft.com wrote:

 Hey now! The technology didn't fail, they had some kind of manufacturing
 defect which ate a disk which in turn made the drive destroy every disk you
 put in afterwards. But the technology was sound. Just wanted to make that
 distinction.

 Something similar happened to the Jazz disks too, but they were solid
 disks. The drives started destroying disks. That was pretty much the end of
 them. sigh sad days.

 Bob


 On Jun 12, 2010, at 10:07 AM, stephen barncard wrote:

  Remember zips are still 'floppy disks' with higher
  density and the failed 'Bernoulli' technology.

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Re: [OT] G4 goes West

2010-06-15 Thread Richmond

Having put my G4 back together, and got the thing
running, I wonder why my LaCie firewire external
box won't deliver with my  750 GB ATA/IDE hard-drive
inside it??

This is crucial as most of my data is backed-up there.
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Re: [OT] G4 goes West

2010-06-15 Thread Kay C Lan
Richmond,

I'm sure you'll be happy to know that my Centris 650 hasn't gone west. A
couple of days ago it wouldn't start, and oddly I thought the LaserWriter
Select 300 had sailed off into the sunset with it.

After while I was able to determine that I could only start one, not both at
the same time.

Having measured anywhere between 190 and 260 volts out of the wall sockets
in the past I figured I'd just leave it a day.

Today, they both started and behaved as they've always.

Of course I haven't attempted to make the Centris run OS X, 7.6.1 is just
fine.

Some day I should get the IIci out and see if still runs.

Sorry to hear of your struggle, but I just thought it might warm your sole
to know that others still battle on with the obsolete ;-)
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Re: [OT] G4 goes West

2010-06-15 Thread Bob Sneidar

I still have a pile of sticks works pretty well...

Bob Sneidar
IT Manager
Calvary Chapel CM
Sent from iPhone

On Jun 15, 2010, at 18:20, Kay C Lan lan.kc.macm...@gmail.com wrote:

Sorry to hear of your struggle, but I just thought it might warm  
your sole

to know that others still battle on with the obsolete ;-)

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Re: [OT] G4 goes West

2010-06-12 Thread Richmond

Back from the dead (or very nearly):

Well:

I removed one of the hard disks in the G4 MDD from the cage that sits
over the heat sink; allowing me space to install an 80 mm 12 v fan
directly on top of the heat sink with those funny rubber doodahs to
keep it in place: power drawn from the HD cage supply.

Took out my antiquated SCSI PCI card (saved it for the day when I need
what is saved on my ZIP disks) and inserted a USB2 card.

Put 2 PCI slot cooler fans back to back in 2 of the 3 PCI slots between
the Video card and the USB2 card; jacked them into the power supply
for the other 2 hard disks.

Unscrewed the internal speaker from the 'hole' at the top front of the MDD
and taped it with electrical tape to the top of the DVD drive housing; 
left the

plastic grid on the hole: now acts as an air intake.



However; spent yesterday trawling round all the computer shops in Plovdiv,
Bulgaria in search of PCI slot fans: in 8 shops I was told:

1. They don't exist (one chap actually told me I was fantasizing).

2. Why would you need them anyway.

I then printed out a picture of a PCI slot fan and went round all the 
shops again;

the 'fantasy' man told me I was mad and had faked up the picture !

Eventually saw a hole in the wall repair shop; went in and the chap 
there was on
the phone to a warehouse in Sofia lickety-split; and I collected the 2 
fans this morning.


Went round to see the 'fantasy' man and waved the PCI slot cards under 
his nose . . . :)




And the moral of my story is: don't try to be clever with computers in 
Plovdiv, Bulgaria.




I took a few photos and will post them on my website in the next few days.

AFTER I have restored all my software . . . :(

-

Average temperature from the sensors is now 20 degs Centigrade 
lower


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Re: [OT] G4 goes West

2010-06-12 Thread stephen barncard
Richmond -  you might consider copying your old ZIP disks to someplace safer
 as soon as possible - they seem to have some kind of 'disk rot' and can die
quickly in a few years. Remember zips are still 'floppy disks' with higher
density and the failed 'Bernoulli' technology. All of your old zips will fit
in a tiny corner of your current hard drive. There's not much between your
archive and the 'ping of death' (zip drive users know what I mean).

iOmega has made a lot of junk using this bernoulli technology and it was so
unreliable across their product line over that I refuse to buy anything with
iOmega in the name, even today. I bought into the format big time, so
desperate I was for storage. Fortunately for me it all went to Hard Drive in
1999 and I haven't looked at it since!

I remember when Solid State Logic (maker of over-rated professional audio
consoles) finally offered a  'hard drive' for their console series in 1994.

SSL for years had relied on a very ancient mini computer (PDP-8 type) with
some questionable hacks ( the graphics card was a BBC hobby computer grafted
onto a blank card ) and legacy hardware, including the disc interface called
SASI ( the predecessor to SCSI) which are / were pretty much unobtainable.
These interfaces were hooked up to 8 SASI floppy drives.

So what was the new 'hard drive' ?? A SASI 8 Bernoulli in a huge plastic
case. They also offered a pair of SASI 400k plastic-type 'floppy' drives in
 a rack mounted chassic for only $2700.

[more OT rambling below]

It was so ironic that non-technical people were so enamored with the SSL,
not knowing how really ancient the control systems was.  We techs were
constantly putting it down for its design shortcuts and mistakes, but we had
to work on it because it was responsible for more 'hits' than any other
single console and the brand brought in the business. The engineers just
learned the string of keystrokes and the ones that could figure it out
became stars ( read: Bob Clearmountain ) and the others had assistants run
it.

The biggest irony was that as I brought modern computers into the studio
(ok, Macs) in the late 80s and the audio engineers started using them for
email and amusement, the semi-command line interface of the SSL really
showed how far we'd come. We spent hours trying to figure a way to simplify
the interface using our new macs, but the SSL just had no hooks for outside
control and the core code itself was a labyrinthine noodleworks of
'spagetti' code with no source - it was in some guy's head - and he had left
the company.  There are still hundreds of these things out there today.



On 12 June 2010 06:22, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote:

 Back from the dead (or very nearly):

 Well:

 I removed one of the hard disks in the G4 MDD from the cage that sits
 over the heat sink; allowing me space to install an 80 mm 12 v fan

-
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
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Re: [OT] G4 goes West

2010-06-12 Thread Richmond

On 06/12/2010 08:07 PM, stephen barncard wrote:

Richmond -  you might consider copying your old ZIP disks to someplace safer
  as soon as possible - they seem to have some kind of 'disk rot' and can die
quickly in a few years.
   


Sounds like my brain . . .   :)

I have a Performa 5xxx with a SCSI port and a LAN one; so can export all the
ancient, past it, probably reduplicated gubbins any time I want: 
probably put the content of

20 Zips on a DVD or a spare Hard drive.

I copied ALL of the Zip disk stuff, cleverly, onto a hard disk in an old 
Grey--white
ex-G3 (popped a G4 processor into it about 9 years ago); the only snag 
being that that
machine is now in the attic of my house in Scotland, and I won't be 
there until at

least July-August 2011.
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Re: [OT] G4 goes West

2010-06-04 Thread -= JB =-

Not all G4's can run 10.5.  The older slower ones I don't
think will run it.  I have and old G4 400 AGP and if I am
correct the latest OS X it can run is 10.4.11.  i think the
double mirror or what ever they are can run 10.5 since
they have a much faster processor.

-=JB=-


On Jun 3, 2010, at 10:46 PM, Richmond wrote:


On 06/03/2010 10:40 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:

You can run a G4 under 10.5???



YES!


Bob


On Jun 3, 2010, at 10:54 AM, Richmond wrote:



Dear RunRev users,
  My G4 Mac decided to play silly bu**ers on Monday and stopped
functioning. Managed to boot it in Mac OS9 and am now backing up
all my data onto a Maxell 'Tank' (1.5 TB) before blanking the 4 ATA
disks and starting from scratch. Most of the partitions won't  
mount under
10.3 / .4 / .5 and disk tools says they are incapable of being  
repaired; which

is gae queer as they mount under '9'.

Gosh; backing up over a USB connexion is glacial . . .   :(

And here I am writing love letters on a Pentium 2 with 32 MB RAM
running Damn Small Linux!

The only reason I can think of as to why the machine went wonky  
is that I
tried to get the L2 cache working with 10.5: anybody else with  
ideas in this

direction?

So; rest easy; no major burbles will be forthcoming from my  
direction for

at least a week.

sincerely, Richmond.
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Re: [OT] G4 goes West

2010-06-04 Thread Joe F.
I had 10.5 running on an old eMac. Ran pretty well too, for web surfing and the 
like.

If you have 2 Macs a good way to go is to start the victim in Firewire Target 
mode, holding down the t at startup (or is it command-t?)

On Jun 4, 2010, at 1:46 AM, Richmond wrote:

 On 06/03/2010 10:40 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
 You can run a G4 under 10.5???
   
 
 YES!
 
 Bob
 
 
 On Jun 3, 2010, at 10:54 AM, Richmond wrote:
 
   
 Dear RunRev users,
  My G4 Mac decided to play silly bu**ers on Monday and stopped
 functioning. Managed to boot it in Mac OS9 and am now backing up
 all my data onto a Maxell 'Tank' (1.5 TB) before blanking the 4 ATA
 disks and starting from scratch. Most of the partitions won't mount under
 10.3 / .4 / .5 and disk tools says they are incapable of being repaired; 
 which
 is gae queer as they mount under '9'.
 
 Gosh; backing up over a USB connexion is glacial . . .   :(
 
 And here I am writing love letters on a Pentium 2 with 32 MB RAM
 running Damn Small Linux!
 
 The only reason I can think of as to why the machine went wonky is that I
 tried to get the L2 cache working with 10.5: anybody else with ideas in this
 direction?
 
 So; rest easy; no major burbles will be forthcoming from my direction for
 at least a week.
 
 sincerely, Richmond.
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Re: [OT] G4 goes West

2010-06-03 Thread J. Landman Gay

Richmond wrote:

Dear RunRev users,
  My G4 Mac decided to play silly bu**ers on Monday and stopped
functioning.


Over here in the US we say broken things went south. So that's 
undoubtedly the problem, you've sent it the wrong direction. Swivel the 
machine 90 degrees to the north and it should start working again.


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Re: [OT] G4 goes West

2010-06-03 Thread Richmond

On 06/03/2010 09:00 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

Richmond wrote:

Dear RunRev users,
  My G4 Mac decided to play silly bu**ers on Monday and stopped
functioning.


Over here in the US we say broken things went south. So that's 
undoubtedly the problem, you've sent it the wrong direction. Swivel 
the machine 90 degrees to the north and it should start working again.




Wouldn't it be lovely if everything were that simple.
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Re: [OT] G4 goes West

2010-06-03 Thread Bob Sneidar
You can run a G4 under 10.5???

Bob


On Jun 3, 2010, at 10:54 AM, Richmond wrote:

 Dear RunRev users,
  My G4 Mac decided to play silly bu**ers on Monday and stopped
 functioning. Managed to boot it in Mac OS9 and am now backing up
 all my data onto a Maxell 'Tank' (1.5 TB) before blanking the 4 ATA
 disks and starting from scratch. Most of the partitions won't mount under
 10.3 / .4 / .5 and disk tools says they are incapable of being repaired; which
 is gae queer as they mount under '9'.
 
 Gosh; backing up over a USB connexion is glacial . . .   :(
 
 And here I am writing love letters on a Pentium 2 with 32 MB RAM
 running Damn Small Linux!
 
 The only reason I can think of as to why the machine went wonky is that I
 tried to get the L2 cache working with 10.5: anybody else with ideas in this
 direction?
 
 So; rest easy; no major burbles will be forthcoming from my direction for
 at least a week.
 
 sincerely, Richmond.
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Re: [OT] G4 goes West

2010-06-03 Thread Marty Knapp
I'm running a 2001 Titanium PowerBook (500 MHz) on 10.5 - I had to put 
the drive in another computer to install it though. I think if the 
processor is over 1Ghz the installer will work on a G4, but that's the 
end of the line as far as OS upgrades.


Marty Knapp

You can run a G4 under 10.5???

Bob

  


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Re: [OT] G4 goes West

2010-06-03 Thread Richmond

On 06/03/2010 10:40 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:

You can run a G4 under 10.5???
   


YES!


Bob


On Jun 3, 2010, at 10:54 AM, Richmond wrote:

   

Dear RunRev users,
  My G4 Mac decided to play silly bu**ers on Monday and stopped
functioning. Managed to boot it in Mac OS9 and am now backing up
all my data onto a Maxell 'Tank' (1.5 TB) before blanking the 4 ATA
disks and starting from scratch. Most of the partitions won't mount under
10.3 / .4 / .5 and disk tools says they are incapable of being repaired; which
is gae queer as they mount under '9'.

Gosh; backing up over a USB connexion is glacial . . .   :(

And here I am writing love letters on a Pentium 2 with 32 MB RAM
running Damn Small Linux!

The only reason I can think of as to why the machine went wonky is that I
tried to get the L2 cache working with 10.5: anybody else with ideas in this
direction?

So; rest easy; no major burbles will be forthcoming from my direction for
at least a week.

sincerely, Richmond.
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