Re: Clipboard Anomally [BUG]?
OK folks, sorry for disappearing for a while but I had to pop out and earn some money to feed the family:-) I do have to say though that I'm a little disappointed, especially when I see comments like: I wish I could pin down when it fails, when I believe I have created a recipe that does just that - although granted if you're on Win and I've only done a Mac recipe I can understand. Also, comments like: Can you paste via the menu?, and then you can switch to another program (other than BBedit or TeachText) and see if you can paste it there. If you cannot, then perhaps there's a problem with Automator. If you can paste it there, and it never shows in Rev, you have an engine bug. I thought I made it very clear at the beginning with: but if you select any other application that handles text and select 'Paste' or the keyboard shortcut, the contents of your file will be pasted. Going back to Rev and using either the keyboard or the menu will NOT paste anything into field Text. [or a blank script, or the msg box] But just to clarify, other than BBEdit and TextEdit, I can paste the clipboard using the menu or the keyboard shortcut, into: NeoOffice - Wordprocessing, Spreadsheet cell text box in a Drawing; Stickies; the search field in Google using Safari or FireFox; Mail; the search field in Preview and Acrobat; the Spotlight field in Finder; AppleScript's Script Editor; Terminal; the text entry field of the Dictionary Dashboard Widget; the typing test field of the Keyboard tab of the Keyboard and Mouse Preference Pane. I could test others All I wanted was someone, just one other person, to repeat what I've done, to either confirm what I'm experiencing (a bug) or determine that they don't experience it (then it's my set-up). If it is confirmed then I believe it will help solve the sporadic copy/paste anomalies that have been expressed here, and rather than talk about hacks and work-arounds, we can hopefully get Rev to copy/paste like it should. So someone, please, with sugar on top:-) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Clipboard Anomally [BUG]?
Kay, cut this into pieces... If you can paste from any app into teachtext, you know your OS is working. If you can't paste via menu shortcuts, the menus are at fault If you can't paste via menus, either the menus are not scripted OK (I've seen it happen) or indeed the clipboard is at fault... One very simple way to see this: make a palette stack, with a backscript that has the following: on resume put the clipboard into fld clips of stack clipboardwatcher put the clibpoarddata[text] into fld text of stack clipboardwatcher pass resume end resume as soon as you resume rev, your palette will show the clipboard content. The same process can be made for the menu shortcut, and the cutkey/copykey/pastekey messages... Make a frontscript: on controlkeydown k (or commandkeydown) put k into fld x of stack mypalette pass controlkeydown end controlkeydown on pastekey put pasting detected into fld x of stack keyboardwatcher pass pastekey end pastekey etc... That should help you I think... There's sure a clipboard window app somewhere like on MacOS 1.0 that shows you the OS's clipboard content too... (there was a great Desk Accessory named Alchemist too which did what im saying above plus lots more. I was working on that but apparently, I can't change the clipboarddata[html] as advertised. We're all in the same boat! ;) cheers Xavier -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kay C Lan Sent: Monday, 13 November, 2006 16:08 To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Clipboard Anomally [BUG]? OK folks, sorry for disappearing for a while but I had to pop out and earn some money to feed the family:-) I do have to say though that I'm a little disappointed, especially when I see comments like: I wish I could pin down when it fails, when I believe I have created a recipe that does just that - although granted if you're on Win and I've only done a Mac recipe I can understand. Also, comments like: Can you paste via the menu?, and then you can switch to another program (other than BBedit or TeachText) and see if you can paste it there. If you cannot, then perhaps there's a problem with Automator. If you can paste it there, and it never shows in Rev, you have an engine bug. I thought I made it very clear at the beginning with: but if you select any other application that handles text and select 'Paste' or the keyboard shortcut, the contents of your file will be pasted. Going back to Rev and using either the keyboard or the menu will NOT paste anything into field Text. [or a blank script, or the msg box] But just to clarify, other than BBEdit and TextEdit, I can paste the clipboard using the menu or the keyboard shortcut, into: NeoOffice - Wordprocessing, Spreadsheet cell text box in a Drawing; Stickies; the search field in Google using Safari or FireFox; Mail; the search field in Preview and Acrobat; the Spotlight field in Finder; AppleScript's Script Editor; Terminal; the text entry field of the Dictionary Dashboard Widget; the typing test field of the Keyboard tab of the Keyboard and Mouse Preference Pane. I could test others All I wanted was someone, just one other person, to repeat what I've done, to either confirm what I'm experiencing (a bug) or determine that they don't experience it (then it's my set-up). If it is confirmed then I believe it will help solve the sporadic copy/paste anomalies that have been expressed here, and rather than talk about hacks and work-arounds, we can hopefully get Rev to copy/paste like it should. So someone, please, with sugar on top:-) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Clipboard Anomally [BUG]?
On 11/13/06 9:08 AM, Kay C Lan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All I wanted was someone, just one other person, to repeat what I've done, to either confirm what I'm experiencing (a bug) or determine that they don't experience it (then it's my set-up). If it is confirmed then I believe it will help solve the sporadic copy/paste anomalies that have been expressed here, and rather than talk about hacks and work-arounds, we can hopefully get Rev to copy/paste like it should. So someone, please, with sugar on top:-) Confirmed, Kay, on OS 10.4.7 with Rev 2.7.4 (I also tested going back to MetaCard 2.6.6, and it's the same thing, so it's systemic to the MC/Rev engine). I also noted that it didn't matter if Rev was already open or not. That is, I had thought that perhaps Rev would initialize the scrap when it opened and recognize any text that was there, so I quit Rev and relaunched and then tried to paste or examine the clipboard and it was still empty (even though I could switch to other apps and paste the text on the clipboard with freedom). One oddity I noticed was that if I switched back to the open TextEdit document, highlighted the text and copied it *again*, then switched back to Rev, it would recognize it. I even tried a workaround with AppleScript to get the data on the clipboard and still no dice. Bug confirmed! Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Clipboard Anomally [BUG]?
On 11/13/06 10:49 AM, MisterX [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kay, cut this into pieces... If you can paste from any app into teachtext, you know your OS is working. If you can't paste via menu shortcuts, the menus are at fault If you can't paste via menus, either the menus are not scripted OK (I've seen it happen) or indeed the clipboard is at fault... One very simple way to see this: make a palette stack, with a backscript that has the following: on resume put the clipboard into fld clips of stack clipboardwatcher put the clibpoarddata[text] into fld text of stack clipboardwatcher pass resume end resume as soon as you resume rev, your palette will show the clipboard content. Actually that's the problem, Xavier... when you resume Rev, the clipboard registers as being empty, even though it actually has something in it (you can tell because you can switch to any other app and paste). IMHO, it's a confirmed bug (at least on OS X). Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Clipboard Anomally [BUG]?
Bug #(s)? I also notice on Windows, whenever I paste something from Rev, that Rev blinks in the background. That's just plain weird! :) Ken Ray wrote: [...] Actually that's the problem, Xavier... when you resume Rev, the clipboard registers as being empty, even though it actually has something in it (you can tell because you can switch to any other app and paste). IMHO, it's a confirmed bug (at least on OS X). ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Clipboard Anomally [BUG]?
On 11/13/06 11:06 AM, Bill Marriott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bug #(s)? Well, a related bug is #3877 that identifies that Rev doesn't recognize a change in the clipboard when made by an outside agent, but I think the one that is spot on is #2602 filed by Rodney Tamblyn, but this has been resolved as CANT_REPRODUCE. I think RunRev needs to reopen it and let Kay add the example that was posted. Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Clipboard Anomally [BUG]?
that I haven't seen... yet... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Marriott Sent: Monday, 13 November, 2006 18:07 To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Subject: Re: Clipboard Anomally [BUG]? Bug #(s)? I also notice on Windows, whenever I paste something from Rev, that Rev blinks in the background. That's just plain weird! :) Ken Ray wrote: [...] Actually that's the problem, Xavier... when you resume Rev, the clipboard registers as being empty, even though it actually has something in it (you can tell because you can switch to any other app and paste). IMHO, it's a confirmed bug (at least on OS X). ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Clipboard Anomally [BUG]?
AFAIK, it works normally on PCs (usually ;) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ken Ray Sent: Monday, 13 November, 2006 18:01 To: Use Revolution List Subject: Re: Clipboard Anomally [BUG]? On 11/13/06 10:49 AM, MisterX [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kay, cut this into pieces... If you can paste from any app into teachtext, you know your OS is working. If you can't paste via menu shortcuts, the menus are at fault If you can't paste via menus, either the menus are not scripted OK (I've seen it happen) or indeed the clipboard is at fault... One very simple way to see this: make a palette stack, with a backscript that has the following: on resume put the clipboard into fld clips of stack clipboardwatcher put the clibpoarddata[text] into fld text of stack clipboardwatcher pass resume end resume as soon as you resume rev, your palette will show the clipboard content. Actually that's the problem, Xavier... when you resume Rev, the clipboard registers as being empty, even though it actually has something in it (you can tell because you can switch to any other app and paste). IMHO, it's a confirmed bug (at least on OS X). Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Clipboard Anomally [BUG]?
On 11/13/06 9:29 AM, Ken Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/13/06 11:06 AM, Bill Marriott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bug #(s)? Well, a related bug is #3877 that identifies that Rev doesn't recognize a change in the clipboard when made by an outside agent, but I think the one that is spot on is #2602 filed by Rodney Tamblyn, but this has been resolved as CANT_REPRODUCE. I think RunRev needs to reopen it and let Kay add the example that was posted. I think the underlying problem is not that tech support CANT_REPRODUCE the receipe but rather it is CONSISTENTLY INCONSISTENT to the user. I have spent many hours over the last 2 years building work-arounds. Jim Ault Las Vegas ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Clipboard Anomally [BUG]?
On 11/13/06 11:44 AM, Jim Ault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/13/06 9:29 AM, Ken Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/13/06 11:06 AM, Bill Marriott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bug #(s)? Well, a related bug is #3877 that identifies that Rev doesn't recognize a change in the clipboard when made by an outside agent, but I think the one that is spot on is #2602 filed by Rodney Tamblyn, but this has been resolved as CANT_REPRODUCE. I think RunRev needs to reopen it and let Kay add the example that was posted. I think the underlying problem is not that tech support CANT_REPRODUCE the receipe but rather it is CONSISTENTLY INCONSISTENT to the user. Well, I think that's why Kay made the post... if everyone who follows Kay's instructions on OS X gets the same result, it is a consistently reproduceable bug. I have spent many hours over the last 2 years building work-arounds. Hopefully this can be fixed so no more workaround are needed... :-) Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Clipboard Anomally [BUG]?
Ok, this thread is an excellent example of something that needs to be in the bug database, not the use-rev list. Ken, will you add the comment(s) to the necessary bugs so it can be re-opened? Thanks, Bill Ken Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 11/13/06 11:44 AM, Jim Ault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/13/06 9:29 AM, Ken Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/13/06 11:06 AM, Bill Marriott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bug #(s)? Well, a related bug is #3877 that identifies that Rev doesn't recognize a change in the clipboard when made by an outside agent, but I think the one that is spot on is #2602 filed by Rodney Tamblyn, but this has been resolved as CANT_REPRODUCE. I think RunRev needs to reopen it and let Kay add the example that was posted. I think the underlying problem is not that tech support CANT_REPRODUCE the receipe but rather it is CONSISTENTLY INCONSISTENT to the user. Well, I think that's why Kay made the post... if everyone who follows Kay's instructions on OS X gets the same result, it is a consistently reproduceable bug. I have spent many hours over the last 2 years building work-arounds. Hopefully this can be fixed so no more workaround are needed... :-) Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Clipboard Anomally [BUG]?
On 11/13/06 11:44 AM, Jim Ault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the underlying problem is not that tech support CANT_REPRODUCE the receipe but rather it is CONSISTENTLY INCONSISTENT to the user. On 11/14/06, Ken Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] responded: Well, I think that's why Kay made the post... if everyone who follows Kay's instructions on OS X gets the same result, it is a consistently reproduceable bug. I have spent many hours over the last 2 years building work-arounds. Hopefully this can be fixed so no more workaround are needed... YES, precisely! Thank you so much Ken. I'll look into Bugs #3877, #2602 and anything else that looks remotely like an 'inconsistent clipboard anomaly' and add my recipe there. Might be a little slow as I have to head off to my son's athletics carnival now. Ken, thanks also for the extra detective work with the older versions of MetaCard/Rev and the bit about Quitting and Restarting MC/Rev. I'll be sure to include these details, acknowledged to you, in my Bugzilla entry. Ken, I'll email you the 'sugar on top' off-list;-) PS I was really starting to wonder there about my command of the English language, fortunately bribery works every time:-) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Clipboard Anomally [BUG]?
On 11/13/06 5:54 PM, Bill Marriott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, this thread is an excellent example of something that needs to be in the bug database, not the use-rev list. Ken, will you add the comment(s) to the necessary bugs so it can be re-opened? Done! Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Clipboard Anomally [BUG]?
On 11/13/06 6:08 PM, Kay C Lan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: YES, precisely! Thank you so much Ken. I'll look into Bugs #3877, #2602 and anything else that looks remotely like an 'inconsistent clipboard anomaly' and add my recipe there. Ken, thanks also for the extra detective work with the older versions of MetaCard/Rev and the bit about Quitting and Restarting MC/Rev. I'll be sure to include these details, acknowledged to you, in my Bugzilla entry. Thanks, Kay, but don't bother submitting an entry... I added your recipe and my results to 2602 on Bill Marriott's suggestion. However as I was adding it, I thought of something: suppose the act of putting the text of the file via Automator sets it to be a special *type* of clipboarddata that Rev doesn't understand? If so, it would then make sense that it couldn't be pasted, and also why 'the clipboard' was 'empty' (although I would suggest (if this is actually true) that this be changed to 'unknown'). The reason I mention is is that if I manually copy the text from TextEdit and switch to Rev, it is in the clipboard. Anyway, something for RunRev to ponder... Ken, I'll email you the 'sugar on top' off-list;-) PS I was really starting to wonder there about my command of the English language, fortunately bribery works every time:-) :-D Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Clipboard Anomally [BUG]?
On 11/14/06, Ken Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, Kay, but don't bother submitting an entry... I added your recipe and my results to 2602 on Bill Marriott's suggestion. Thanks again, I've gone and given it 5 votes:-) However as I was adding it, I thought of something: suppose the act of putting the text of the file via Automator sets it to be a special *type* of clipboarddata that Rev doesn't understand? Yes, that does seem to be a logical explanation, and also one of the reasons why I tried it with BBEdit as well with the extra step of converting the Text to ASCII, just to make sure it was nothing but ASCII. Even if this is the cause, as you infer, it suggest that Rev's filter is set a little too tight, and by resolving this I'm hoping well experience a little more consistency in copy/paste between other apps and Rev. I'll be keeping an eye on 2602 ;-) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Clipboard Anomally [BUG]?
On Nov 8, 2006, at 11:47 PM, Kay C Lan wrote: The occasional failure of the IDE to paste the contents of the clipboard. Is this possibly related to this bug report? http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=3877 -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems - www.bluemangolearning.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Clipboard Anomally [BUG]?
Chipp Walters wrote: Actually, I find copy/paste clipboard issues always occur when launching Rev. Rev seems to always start with a clear clipboard on XP. I don't have the same problem with copy/paste text in other apps. I restarted WinXP, copied some text in Notepad, closed Notepad, reopened Notepad, and pasted. It worked. Then I relaunched Revolution, made a new stack with a field, and pasted. And that worked too. So it isn't consistent. Today's test seems to show that Rev doesn't automatically clear the clipboard. I wish I could pin down when it fails, because I have a standalone with a registration dialog that users paste a serial number into. If they copy the serial from an email and launch my app, it only pastes sporadically. If the dialog is already open when they flip over to email to copy, it pastes every time. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Clipboard Anomally [BUG]?
I need to be able to do this as well, for a registration stack function. I have awful trouble with the copy and paste function (to/from clipboard) not working as it should. You have described it perfectly. Regards Mark MacKenzie J. Landman Gay wrote: I restarted WinXP, copied some text in Notepad, closed Notepad, reopened Notepad, and pasted. It worked. Then I relaunched Revolution, made a new stack with a field, and pasted. And that worked too. So it isn't consistent. Today's test seems to show that Rev doesn't automatically clear the clipboard. I wish I could pin down when it fails, because I have a standalone with a registration dialog that users paste a serial number into. If they copy the serial from an email and launch my app, it only pastes sporadically. If the dialog is already open when they flip over to email to copy, it pastes every time. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Clipboard Anomally [BUG]?
Mark MacKenzie wrote: I need to be able to do this as well, for a registration stack function. I have awful trouble with the copy and paste function (to/from clipboard) not working as it should. You have described it perfectly. One thing you might have to do is add a pasteKey handler to the dialog card. In my app, there are not yet any menus loaded when the initial registration window appears, so there is no automatic editing capabilities. I don't need copying, but I did need pasting, so I added this to the card: on pasteKey put the clipboardData[text] into fld myRegField end pasteKey Or you might want to use the selectedfield if you allow pasting to any field. If you do need the ability to copy, take a look at copyKey in the docs and write a handler to catch that message too. Adding the pasteKey handler got it working for me on all platforms, except that on Windows it works only some of the time. Regards Mark MacKenzie J. Landman Gay wrote: I restarted WinXP, copied some text in Notepad, closed Notepad, reopened Notepad, and pasted. It worked. Then I relaunched Revolution, made a new stack with a field, and pasted. And that worked too. So it isn't consistent. Today's test seems to show that Rev doesn't automatically clear the clipboard. I wish I could pin down when it fails, because I have a standalone with a registration dialog that users paste a serial number into. If they copy the serial from an email and launch my app, it only pastes sporadically. If the dialog is already open when they flip over to email to copy, it pastes every time. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Clipboard Anomally [BUG]?
J. Landman Gay wrote: Chipp Walters wrote: Actually, I find copy/paste clipboard issues always occur when launching Rev. Rev seems to always start with a clear clipboard on XP. I don't have the same problem with copy/paste text in other apps. I restarted WinXP, copied some text in Notepad, closed Notepad, reopened Notepad, and pasted. It worked. Then I relaunched Revolution, made a new stack with a field, and pasted. And that worked too. So it isn't consistent. Today's test seems to show that Rev doesn't automatically clear the clipboard. I wish I could pin down when it fails, because I have a standalone with a registration dialog that users paste a serial number into. If they copy the serial from an email and launch my app, it only pastes sporadically. If the dialog is already open when they flip over to email to copy, it pastes every time. I dunno either, but some time ago when I was experimenting with a linux version of my app, I found that keyboard shortcuts for menu items in general failed on that platform, so I included a commandkey handler in the card script, and that worked reliably. Just thought I'd mention it. Martin Baxter ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Clipboard Anomally [BUG]?
Kay, Isn't there a simpler recipe...like open up BBEdit, select text, copy, then paste into fld text? Frankly, I'm not sure I even understand where the bug lies, the failure to copy the text by Rev, or the failure of Automator to put the text on the clipboard in a timely matter? If I were you, I might want to try and distill this into a simpler form, where anyone can recreate the bug in the minimal number of steps, w/out introducing so many different outside variables. Oh, and I might try: wait 10 seconds with messages Good luck! -Chipp ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Clipboard Anomally [BUG]?
On 11/8/06 11:47 PM, Kay C Lan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The occasional failure of the IDE to paste the contents of the clipboard. This has been discussed before on this list, probably about a year ago. Don't know if there is a Bugzilla or not. Yes, the clipboardData is not 100% reliable. I did create one solution for AppleScript, moving text by copy in Excel, paste into BBEdit, copy, then paste into Rev in order to bring some table data from Excel. This produced cleaner formatting(tabs), but still was not 100% reliable. Without the BBEdit step, less than 50% reliable. My end solution was to parse the returned 'result' for the quote/comma list format of AppleScript. Works fine for limited needs. If the simple Applescript return does not work for you, I would suggest you save as a tempFile.txt to the desktop from AppleScript, then put url (file:pathfilenameUsed.txt) into theVarYouWant delete file pathfilenameUsed.txt I can post the script I use to pass variables directly to Excel, then use the returned values in Rev. This does not involve triggering Excel VBA macros, although you could. Jim Ault Las Vegas On 11/8/06 11:47 PM, Kay C Lan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well folks with the opportunity to spend all yesterday scripting, what did I do. I went bug hunting. I've never submitted a bug into Bugzilla but I felt it was time I stepped up and gave it a shot so I went after the 'IDE anomaly' that irks me most. The occasional failure of the IDE to paste the contents of the clipboard. Here is my recipe. Sorry this is Mac specific as it uses Automator - I guess there is some Windows equivalent of Automator which might produce a similar result. Basically when you run this script nothing ends up in field Text, nothing in the msg box, but if you select any other application that handles text and select 'Paste' or the keyboard shortcut, the contents of your file will be pasted. Going back to Rev and using either the keyboard or the menu will NOT paste anything into field Text. TextEdit Test Step 1: Start TextEdit, create a new document and enter some text. From the 'Format' menu select Make Plain Text and save to your desktop with a useful name like 'Input.txt' I left the Encoding as 'Western (Mac OS Roman)' Step 2: If you are familiar with Automator: i) Finder action to Ask For Finder Items ii) Finder action to Open Finder Item Open with TextEdit iii) TextEdit action to Get Contents of TextEdit Document iv) System action to Copy to Clipboard v) TextEdit action to New Text File Save as Output.txt to 'Desktop' If you are not familiar with Automator: a) Select 'New' from the 'File' menu. b) Choose 'Finder' in Library column, Applications folder. c) Select from the 'Action' Column: Ask for Finder Items The defaults should be: Type: Files, Start at: Desktop, Allow Multiple: No d) Select from the 'Action' Column: Open Finder Items Change Open with: from the Default Application to TextEdit e) Choose 'TextEdit' in the Library column f) Drag Get Contents of TextEdit Document from the Action column to the Automator window. g) Drag Copy to Clipboard from the Action column to the Automator window. h) Choose 'TextEdit' from the Library column. i) Drag New Text File from the Action column to the Automator window. Set 'Save as' to Output.txt and 'Where' to Desktop Step 3: Save as... Text to CB TextEdit as an application. The name must be the same as used in the Rev script. Step 4: Click the Automator 'Run' button to confirm that it operates as expected (delete the Output.txt file created on your desktop) Step 5: In Rev create a new stack with one button Start and one field Text Step 6: In the button place the following script: Be careful of line breaks, line numbers are commented at the end. on mouseUP --1 set the clipboardData[text] to empty --2 do tell application quote Text to CB TextEdit quote return run return end tell return tell application quote Revolution quote return activate return end tell as AppleScript --3 --do tell application quote Text to CB BBEdit quote return run return end tell return tell application quote Revolution quote return activate return end tell as AppleScript --4 wait 10 seconds --gives Automator time to do it's thing --5 select text of field Text --6 paste --7 --the breakpoint is here so that you can use the Variable Watcher to see that tMyStore initially contains empty then it is empty. --8 breakpoint --9 put the clipboard into tMyStore --10 put the clipboardData[Text] into tMyStore --11 put tMyStore into msg --12 end mouseUp --13 You'll notice in the script above a 'do' statement at line 4 which has been commented out. Because TextEdit isn't the most powerful text editor around I thought I'd give it another go using BBEdit, and one further step, converting the file contents to ASCII. I imagine this might be
Re: Clipboard Anomally [BUG]?
On 11/9/06, Chipp Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Isn't there a simpler recipe...like open up BBEdit, select text, copy, then paste into fld text? Yes, that works perfectly well, and I've long since discovered my own workarounds, but I guess I failed to express my point clearly. Not the first time:-) Frankly, I'm not sure I even understand where the bug lies, the failure to copy the text by Rev, or the failure of Automator to put the text on the clipboard in a timely matter? The 'possible' bug is that the keyboard shortcut for pasting text in Rev occasionally doesn't work. I experience this several times a Rev session BUT can not reproduce it reliably. I know that others on the list have experienced the same anomaly. Jim, in his solution mentions a 'not 100% reliable', which again means hard to actually pin down, even harder to troubleshoot. Through other scripting I've been doing I came across this situation where Automator puts text into the clipboard and EVERY other application can paste that text EXCEPT Rev. This happens, for me anyway, EVERY TIME. Yes, it could be a problem with TextEdit, BBEdit or Automator. But I feel that if others were to try this and got a 100% FAILURE, then that will help Rev quickly locate if the problem is with Rev or one of the other Apps. If it is with Rev I fell that this might go a long way in solving the random failure of Rev to paste the clipboard. Yes I do applogise, my recipe does look as though it is long and tedious to work through, but actually, if you've done any work with Automator, the whole process of creating a small text file, the Autmator app and the Rev Stack should not be more than 10min. Thanks to those who can spare the time:-) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Clipboard Anomally [BUG]?
On 11/9/06, Chipp Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Isn't there a simpler recipe...like open up BBEdit, select text, copy, then paste into fld text? Sorry, I didn't even make that clear:-( As a recipe for showing the bug, no, what you propose does not do it. Or doesn't do it frequently. I do have a firm belief that the 'trigger' for the bug is switching between apps. I typically have several apps open and copy and paste code snippets from them. This includes Preview and/or Acrobat, BBEdit and CopyPaste. But it's never predictable. As a recipe for getting BBEdit text into a Rev field, what you suggest works 99.9% of the time, and I acknowledge that my process isn't a logical way to get a text file into Rev, but I'm more focused on a 100% repeatable situation where the clipboard contains text, but Rev won't paste it. Now I hope I've expressed myself clearly:-) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Clipboard Anomally [BUG]?
Kay C Lan wrote: On 11/9/06, Chipp Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Isn't there a simpler recipe...like open up BBEdit, select text, copy, then paste into fld text? Sorry, I didn't even make that clear:-( As a recipe for showing the bug, no, what you propose does not do it. Or doesn't do it frequently. I do have a firm belief that the 'trigger' for the bug is switching between apps. I typically have several apps open and copy and paste code snippets from them. This includes Preview and/or Acrobat, BBEdit and CopyPaste. But it's never predictable. As a recipe for getting BBEdit text into a Rev field, what you suggest works 99.9% of the time, and I acknowledge that my process isn't a logical way to get a text file into Rev, but I'm more focused on a 100% repeatable situation where the clipboard contains text, but Rev won't paste it. Now I hope I've expressed myself clearly:-) Do you have an openfield script in the field that won't accept a paste? Someone recently notified me of a problem with that, but I haven't had time to verify it yet. I don't think all openfield scripts cause a problem, but some particular ones might. Maybe we can narrow it down. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Clipboard Anomally [BUG]?
Kay, Can you paste via the menu? If so, then I imagine there is a problem with the key shortcut, which would be an IDE bug and you could create a frontscript plugin to override (if you really had to have this functionality now). If you cannot paste via the menu, then perhaps you can put in the msg box: put the clipboarddata[text] (I think that's the correct syntax) and see if the data is even on the clipboard at all. If it's not on the clipboard, then you can switch to another program (other than BBedit or TeachText) and see if you can paste it there. If you cannot, then perhaps there's a problem with Automator. If you can paste it there, and it never shows in Rev, you have an engine bug. best, Chipp ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Clipboard Anomally [BUG]?
Chipp Walters wrote: If you cannot paste via the menu, then perhaps you can put in the msg box: put the clipboarddata[text] (I think that's the correct syntax) and see if the data is even on the clipboard at all. Speaking of clipboards, I'm having some trouble in Windows. I found that if I have something on the clipboard and then I do some other action in the OS -- like launching an application -- the clipboard gets emptied. For example, I had some text on the clipboard, then I launched Rev, opened a stack, and tried to paste and the clipboard was gone. I thought it was a Rev bug, but when I repeated the experiment and opened Notepad instead, the same thing happened. But if both apps were already running, then the clipboard transfered over as long as I didn't do anything else in between. What makes that happen, and is there a workaround? -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Clipboard Anomally [BUG]?
On 11/9/06 9:32 PM, Chipp Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kay, Can you paste via the menu? If so, then I imagine there is a problem with the key shortcut, which would be an IDE bug and you could create a frontscript plugin to override (if you really had to have this functionality now). If you cannot paste via the menu, then perhaps you can put in the msg box: The keyboard shortcut not working for cut, copy, paste on Mac OSX and Rev 2.6.1 and for 2.7.2 has been discussed before (not sure about WinXP). I experience it every week and just start using the menu when it occurs. Restarting Rev will fix it, but when developing, it is not worth the restart just for this. This is not limited to text between apps, but also copy object, paste object, duplicate object within Rev. From my days of programming with Excel intensively on Win and Mac, the clipboard has many definitions (bit maps, charts, cell ranges, spinners, etc) that I got used to clipboard data not being 'transportable' between apps. I just assumed that Rev was managing the clipboard in its own way and the compatibility with the system clipboard environment was not perfect. I could be wrong and it is a bug. My opinion is not to trust the Rev clipboard, just like the Excel variations I found. Jim Ault Las Vegas ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Clipboard Anomally [BUG]?
on windows, you just cannot rely on menu shortcuts, anywhere... On Metacard they work though! Though the clipboard has it's issues too in MC (like text between backslashed being stripped out! MC v2.5.1) Launching new apps to paste into them certainly works (however, you will loose your rev stack's selection for which another frontscript is needed)... Lots of bugzillas since 2.1.2 have been posted but these features don't seem to be tested for long because they go through every PC release unchecked... I made a plugin 2 years ago to address this issue but it was ignored at large as I remember - but it works great here! Trying to fix the html problems of pasting out of rev also didn't work as I posted a week or 2 ago - but that post too was ignored at large... Regards, Xavier -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Ault Sent: Friday, 10 November, 2006 07:26 To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Clipboard Anomally [BUG]? On 11/9/06 9:32 PM, Chipp Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kay, Can you paste via the menu? If so, then I imagine there is a problem with the key shortcut, which would be an IDE bug and you could create a frontscript plugin to override (if you really had to have this functionality now). If you cannot paste via the menu, then perhaps you can put in the msg box: The keyboard shortcut not working for cut, copy, paste on Mac OSX and Rev 2.6.1 and for 2.7.2 has been discussed before (not sure about WinXP). I experience it every week and just start using the menu when it occurs. Restarting Rev will fix it, but when developing, it is not worth the restart just for this. This is not limited to text between apps, but also copy object, paste object, duplicate object within Rev. From my days of programming with Excel intensively on Win and Mac, the clipboard has many definitions (bit maps, charts, cell ranges, spinners, etc) that I got used to clipboard data not being 'transportable' between apps. I just assumed that Rev was managing the clipboard in its own way and the compatibility with the system clipboard environment was not perfect. I could be wrong and it is a bug. My opinion is not to trust the Rev clipboard, just like the Excel variations I found. Jim Ault Las Vegas ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Clipboard Anomally [BUG]?
On 11/9/06, J. Landman Gay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Speaking of clipboards, I'm having some trouble in Windows. I found that if I have something on the clipboard and then I do some other action in the OS -- like launching an application -- the clipboard gets emptied. For example, I had some text on the clipboard, then I launched Rev, opened a stack, and tried to paste and the clipboard was gone. I thought it was a Rev bug, but when I repeated the experiment and opened Notepad instead, the same thing happened. But if both apps were already running, then the clipboard transfered over as long as I didn't do anything else in between. What makes that happen, and is there a workaround? Hi Jacque, Actually, I find copy/paste clipboard issues always occur when launching Rev. Rev seems to always start with a clear clipboard on XP. I don't have the same problem with copy/paste text in other apps. I do have problems copy/paste images to Photoshop on occassion, but there is a registry hack for it. best, Chipp ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
