Re: OT: Village signing [was: RR as a browser plugin?]
Hi Ken, Video... Or maybe I don't understand what you mean?? Judy But what will you do about all the hand movements? ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: Village signing [was: RR as a browser plugin?]
on 2/13/04 12:57 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 12:07:51 -0800 (PST) From: Judy Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT: Village signing [was: RR as a browser plugin?] Hi Ken, Video... Or maybe I don't understand what you mean?? Probably the other way round ;-) You said: For kids, make it into a game (hence, my Mr. Potatohead idea -- present body parts to them -- the signs, that is ...Mr Potatohead doesn't have moveable hands/fingers AFAIK, so how can you have it present a sign? ...is what I meant... Ken N. ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: Village signing [was: RR as a browser plugin?]
Ahhh... No. I've done a beta of it in Director (ugh. can't begin to tell you how painful that was apparently because of a conflict between Director and a M$ drag-n-drop thingy that resulted in repeated crashes that ultimately resulted in my needing to emergency hose my HD a record FOUR TIMES). On one side of the screen is a retro-looking TV graphic into which there is a play button which plays the video of the sign for some body part, which is displayed to the right. The video is of an actual human performing the sign. This goes on for three to five body parts, then we have the 'quiz': Same setup: TV to the left with play button for playing a video of a sign, but this time to the right are *three* possible body parts; the user clicks hopefully on the correct one, which transports them to the place where they get to choose between hairy ears, pointed ears or bejeweled ears for Mr/Ms Spudz... I think it's doable... I just need to have less on my plate. Of course, feedback is always welcomed! Judy On Fri, 13 Feb 2004, Ken Norris wrote: Probably the other way round ;-) You said: For kids, make it into a game (hence, my Mr. Potatohead idea -- present body parts to them -- the signs, that is ...Mr Potatohead doesn't have moveable hands/fingers AFAIK, so how can you have it present a sign? ...is what I meant... ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: Village signing [was: RR as a browser plugin?]
On Feb 11, 2004, at 11:41 PM, Ken Norris wrote: I never knew that. I've been wanting to learn at least AMSLAN for a long time, but there are no teachers or solid learning sources on this island, no courses available. Ken- sorry I shouldn't judge your circumstances. If you need a computer tutor you need a computer tutor! -- Alex Rice | Mindlube Software | http://mindlube.com ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: Village signing [was: RR as a browser plugin?]
Jacque- Wednesday, February 11, 2004, 6:07:01 PM, you wrote: JLG There is really no legitimate sign for that. I chose to use a gradually JLG drooping index finger. The entire audience, both hearing and deaf, never I've always found one of the joys of ASL to be that it's not a literally verbatim translation. For example, the sign for coffee conveys a whole context of nuances that no single word in any written or spoken language could. That drooping index finger was a brilliant touch... er... well, there's no way out of that pun, is there? -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: Village signing [was: RR as a browser plugin?]
Funny you should mention this... This is a project on my way-back burner, to teach some simple ASL to deaf kids using a Mr. Potatohead metaphor... Judy On Wed, 11 Feb 2004, Ken Norris wrote: -- I never knew that. I've been wanting to learn at least AMSLAN for a long time, but there are no teachers or solid learning sources on this island, no courses available. Did you ever write a tutorial for learning it on the computer? ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: Village signing [was: RR as a browser plugin?]
On 2/12/04 12:41 AM, Ken Norris wrote: I never knew that. I've been wanting to learn at least AMSLAN for a long time, but there are no teachers or solid learning sources on this island, no courses available. Did you ever write a tutorial for learning it on the computer? No. I can't imagine the amount of work that would take. You can't exactly write it down; it would all have to be videos. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: Village signing [was: RR as a browser plugin?]
Hi Alex, Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 01:15:36 -0700 From: Alex Rice [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT: Village signing [was: RR as a browser plugin?] I had a linguistics prof. in college who came to lecture extremely excited one day because he had seen a performance of _Jabberwocky_ in ASL. I can't even to begin to imagine... On Feb 11, 2004, at 11:41 PM, Ken Norris wrote: - Yeow! Me either. Boggles the mind... - I never knew that. I've been wanting to learn at least AMSLAN for a long time, but there are no teachers or solid learning sources on this island, no courses available. Ken- sorry I shouldn't judge your circumstances. If you need a computer tutor you need a computer tutor! - Well, that's how it is right now. Never can tell down the road, though. There was a teacher here once, but I think she left town. About 15 years ago there was a HyperCard program that used drawings, like most manuals I've seen, but it was still a little hard to follow, and IIRC, no decent testing. What might be cool is a series QT clips, words, phrases, and sentences. I thought a program like that might be somewhere on Jacque's trail. Ken N. ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: Village signing [was: RR as a browser plugin?]
At 1:50 PM -0600 2/12/04, J. Landman Gay wrote: On 2/12/04 12:41 AM, Ken Norris wrote: Did you ever write a tutorial for learning it on the computer? No. I can't imagine the amount of work that would take. You can't exactly write it down; it would all have to be videos. I've seen an AMESLAN tutorial - in fact I think it was a HyperCard stack! - with pictures. Just the most basic of signs, though. -- jeanne a. e. devoto ~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.jaedworks.com ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: Village signing [was: RR as a browser plugin?]
Hi Jacque, Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 13:50:14 -0600 From: J. Landman Gay [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT: Village signing [was: RR as a browser plugin?] On 2/12/04 12:41 AM, Ken Norris wrote: I never knew that. I've been wanting to learn at least AMSLAN for a long time, but there are no teachers or solid learning sources on this island, no courses available. Did you ever write a tutorial for learning it on the computer? No. I can't imagine the amount of work that would take. You can't exactly write it down; it would all have to be videos. There once was a HC stack with drawings similar to most workbooks I've seen. Not well known, but I borrowed disks and had it on a Mac SE at work (though no one else knew it) back in '89. I found it a little difficult to work with, so I kind of gave up when my deaf tutor left the hill (Lake Tahoe). I'm not asking you to do it, I just wanted to know. Seems relatively straightforward. So what would it take to map out a syllabus, sit down in front of an iSight and spend 5-10 minutes or so a day on it, just collecting clips? Not Jabberwocky, though ;-) Ken N. ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: Village signing [was: RR as a browser plugin?]
Or quicktime VR in object mode!! There was an old sample vr that showed a finger accessing a touchtone phone that came with Quicktime VR toolkit 1.0 Maybe a bunch of image captures of the pieces(hand configurations) that make up a sign and then piece them together. Of course I just thought about the arm movements darn... Well you might be able to do that too. I would weigh that against the video method and see which would take more time/money/effort. Oh well tom On Feb 12, 2004, at 2:50 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: On 2/12/04 12:41 AM, Ken Norris wrote: I never knew that. I've been wanting to learn at least AMSLAN for a long time, but there are no teachers or solid learning sources on this island, no courses available. Did you ever write a tutorial for learning it on the computer? No. I can't imagine the amount of work that would take. You can't exactly write it down; it would all have to be videos. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Thomas J. McGrath III SCS 1000 Killarney Dr. Pittsburgh, PA 15234 412-885-8541 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: Village signing [was: RR as a browser plugin?]
on 2/12/04 4:14 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 18:30:26 -0500 From: Thomas McGrath III [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT: Village signing [was: RR as a browser plugin?] Or quicktime VR in object mode!! There was an old sample vr that showed a finger accessing a touchtone phone that came with Quicktime VR toolkit 1.0 Maybe a bunch of image captures of the pieces(hand configurations) that make up a sign and then piece them together. Of course I just thought about the arm movements darn... Well you might be able to do that too. I would weigh that against the video method and see which would take more time/money/effort. Yes, I already thought of that, but I think a set of animation parts might work better than QTVR. However, I thought VR would be better for viewing the signs from a different angle, i.e, a QTVR movie could swing around and show the sign from the signer's point of view instead of the audience (if you will) point of view, which is the most common way of presenting the material, but doesn't show formation from the side the signer sees it. Otherwise, I came to the conclusion that just making video clips of a few carefully articulated signs as time is available made more sense. Unless someone comes up with funding to do it fulltime until the project is finished. The _big_ difference with writing it in Rev is, of course, interactivity, which is next to useless on a straight video DVD, and totally useless on tape. You can go to any letter, word, phrase, or sentence, and replay the clip as often as you like while practicing. In fact, perhaps I could get with the producers of current video-based instructional tapes and coax them into a deal to capture the video in clips then go from there. Off to the library... Ken N. ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: Village signing [was: RR as a browser plugin?]
For kids, make it into a game (hence, my Mr. Potatohead idea -- present body parts to them -- the signs, that is -- and when they correctly identify the sign at the assessment part, take them to a screen wherein they can choose a particular version of that body part). Judy On Thu, 12 Feb 2004, Ken Norris wrote: The _big_ difference with writing it in Rev is, of course, interactivity, which is next to useless on a straight video DVD, and totally useless on tape. ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: Village signing [was: RR as a browser plugin?]
On 2/12/04 5:23 PM, Ken Norris wrote: I'm not asking you to do it, I just wanted to know. Seems relatively straightforward. So what would it take to map out a syllabus, sit down in front of an iSight and spend 5-10 minutes or so a day on it, just collecting clips? Sorry, I didn't mean to sound short. The problem with the static picture dictionaries is that you can't really see what the signs do, since by its nature, ASL is a dynamic, fluid language. It moves, and pictures don't. There's a nuance involved, and the meaning of a sign can change in a hundred ways depending on slight alterations in its production. So books and images serve as good reminders if you already know the signs, but they are not very good when learning from scratch. The video idea would be better. It would still lack some nuance, but could work on a basic level. If you do decide to make videos, better find a real deaf person. Except for the children of deaf parents, almost everyone else has a hearing accent. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: Village signing [was: RR as a browser plugin?]
Hi Judy, From: Judy Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT: Village signing [was: RR as a browser plugin?] For kids, make it into a game (hence, my Mr. Potatohead idea -- present body parts to them -- the signs, that is -- and when they correctly identify the sign at the assessment part, take them to a screen wherein they can choose a particular version of that body part). -- But what will you do about all the hand movements? Ken N. ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: Village signing [was: RR as a browser plugin?]
Hi Jacque, Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 22:26:59 -0600 From: J. Landman Gay [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT: Village signing [was: RR as a browser plugin?] If you do decide to make videos, better find a real deaf person. Except for the children of deaf parents, almost everyone else has a hearing accent. --- If I can get them to go rally slowor slo-mo the video. I'm still trying to imagine Jabberwocky in ASL. ;-) Ken N. ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: Village signing [was: RR as a browser plugin?]
Hi Jacque, Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 20:07:01 -0600 From: J. Landman Gay [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: OT: Village signing [was: RR as a browser plugin?] On 2/11/04 5:54 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The village people would sign songs about us Not to beat a dead horse, but I have to add: In a previous incarnation I was a sign language interpreter. I have actually done this. -- I never knew that. I've been wanting to learn at least AMSLAN for a long time, but there are no teachers or solid learning sources on this island, no courses available. Did you ever write a tutorial for learning it on the computer? Ken N. ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: Village signing [was: RR as a browser plugin?]
On Feb 11, 2004, at 11:41 PM, Ken Norris wrote: Did you ever write a tutorial for learning it on the computer? Not to butt in or anything: Sign Languages area *real* languages. Do you think you could learn German or Portuguese by watching some videos or a computer program? :-) I had a linguistics prof. in college who came to lecture extremely excited one day because he had seen a performance of _Jabberwocky_ in ASL. I can't even to begin to imagine... -- Alex Rice | Mindlube Software | http://mindlube.com ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
