Re: Rev IDE vs MetaCard IDE
I seem to have the uncanny ability to break anything... the MIDA$ touch. I cannot download the MetaCard IDE successfully. The message Sorry, but this version of the IDE requires engine =3.x! appears. My version of Rev is 2.8.1 build 470. Any suggestions? Ryno. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev IDE vs MetaCard IDE
On 16/12/2009 11:48, Ryno Swart wrote: I seem to have the uncanny ability to break anything... the MIDA$ touch. I cannot download the MetaCard IDE successfully. The message Sorry, but this version of the IDE requires engine =3.x! appears. My version of Rev is 2.8.1 build 470. Any suggestions? Yes, but probably not one you will like: Upgrade your version of RunRev 4. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev IDE vs MetaCard IDE
Jacqueline Thanks for making this such an easy install. I really am most grateful to the people who've kept this alive. I'd reached the end of my tether trying to use Rev 3.5 and 4.0 on Linux. At least the Metacard IDE works about 98% of the way. There are still some visual defects, but alas they seem to be in the engine. I can at least edit scripts and read what's written on the IDE's menus. It's going to take a little getting used to, but at least I can use Rev. Bernard On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 9:46 PM, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.com wrote: In RevOnline (in Rev's toolbar) search for the MetaCard Setup stack. This will download the latest MC IDE and set it up with your (licensed) Rev engine, ready to go. It's all one click. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev IDE vs MetaCard IDE
Bernard Devlin wrote: Jacqueline Thanks for making this such an easy install. I really am most grateful to the people who've kept this alive. I'd reached the end of my tether trying to use Rev 3.5 and 4.0 on Linux. At least the Metacard IDE works about 98% of the way. There are still some visual defects, but alas they seem to be in the engine. I can at least edit scripts and read what's written on the IDE's menus. It's going to take a little getting used to, but at least I can use Rev. You're welcome. Anyone trying out MC for the first time should note that none of the rev-prefixed calls will work, since those are all scripted into the Rev IDE; i.e., revPrintField, revGoURL, etc. If you need any of that, you'll have to pull the handlers out of Rev and move them into your own backscript. We're strictly bare-bones here. :) -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev IDE vs MetaCard IDE
It's good to see the Metacard IDE mentioned here. While someone accustomed to Rev might initially be underwhelmed by its simplicity, that same simplicity can make your programming so much more productive. The Rev IDE has its honor points and I do occasionally launch it, but the MC IDE is where I get most of my work done. Thank you, always, for keeping the MC IDE alive! Shari -- Critters, humor, patriots and sports t-shirts http://www.villagetshirts.com WlND0WS and MAClNT0SH shareware http://www.gypsyware.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev IDE vs MetaCard IDE
What is the control browser? Never seen it... On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 5:44 PM, Wilhelm Sanke sa...@hrz.uni-kassel.dewrote: I do not care too much how the historical icons look, what I care about is the functionality of the Metacard IDE. Above all I like the quickly accessible Control Browser, which is my main tool during programming. Also: No interference from front- or backscripts in the IDE. The workflow - for my needs - is fast, and this is not only because I am used to the MC IDE. The Rev IDE has improved considerably and gradually over time. In the beginning it was nearly un-usable, especially with stacks that contained a larger number of objects, so you had to produce your own tools for specific purposes. What I like most of the present Rev IDE is the Dictionary. Still, there are points that could be improved. A few examples. - Response speed of the Rev IDE is sometimes slow: When the menubar comes up (on a 3 GHz Windows computer), first a blank rectangle is shown, after which menuitems and icons apppear. Opening menus is especially slow with cards that contain many controls. - You can have open only one script editor at the same time in the Rev IDE, the Metacard IDE allows any number of open script editors (which simplifies the comparison and editing of scripts) - If you edit a script and close the editor with the close icon - instead of the compile button - the tools palette (which disappears when you open the script editor) will not re-appear. You have to take a detour now to bring back the tools palette, for instance using the message box. - Using the Property Inspector, which comes up with a noticable delay, and accessing the script needs one step more than in the Metacard IDE. But of course, using right-click on an object for getting at script and properties is the same in both IDEs. - Using Rev's Standalone Builder with larger stacks was a nightmare until recently (including IDE version 3.5). With some stacks the Standalone Builder needed 45 minutes and longer to build the standalone - as opposed to one second in the Metacard IDE. Happily this has been fixed now with version 4.0, and it should be mentioned that this improvement was initiated and supported by a discussion between Oliver Kenyon and Metacard users.- The group of Metacard IDE users - all of which are Rev Enterprise license holders - are naturally interested in the further improvement and development of Revolution (both the engine and the IDE) and some group members have made valuable contributions to this development. This is not only because the Metacard IDE - in the same way as the Rev IDE - needs and uses the Revolution engine (which, by the way, originated from the old Metacard engine). New Rev features are usually integrated into the Metacard IDE, too. At present there is work in progress to adapt the Metacard IDE to the new standalone building process of Rev.- Wilhelm Sanke http://www.sanke.org/MetaMedia ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev IDE vs MetaCard IDE
Wilhelm Sanke wrote: I do not care too much how the historical icons look, what I care about is the functionality of the Metacard IDE. Above all I like the quickly accessible Control Browser, which is my main tool during programming. I like MC's control browser too. Sometimes I only want to see what's immediately available on a card, not the whole hierarchy of objects and stacks. And I really like how I can change the layering order of objects so easily in MC, from directly within the browser. Sometimes I do want to see everything, so then I look at the stack in Rev. Each IDE has advantages/disadvantages. A couple of things that might make your work in Rev easier: - You can have open only one script editor at the same time in the Rev IDE, the Metacard IDE allows any number of open script editors (which simplifies the comparison and editing of scripts) If you right-click on an editor tab, you can open that script in a new window. If you always want new windows and you never want tabs, change the option in the Script Editor pane Preferences. That way it acts like MC. - If you edit a script and close the editor with the close icon - instead of the compile button - the tools palette (which disappears when you open the script editor) will not re-appear. You have to take a detour now to bring back the tools palette, for instance using the message box. Change the option in Prefs that specifies whether to hide palettes when opening the editor. This is one of the first things I change whenever I set up new prefs. I never want palettes or the message box hidden. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev IDE vs MetaCard IDE
Andre Garzia wrote: What is the control browser? Never seen it... In the MC IDE, choose Control Browser from the Tools menu. You will see a list of objects on the current card. You can quickly change the layering order from there, click a button to edit any object script, or double-click to open the object's property inspector. It's very fast. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev IDE vs MetaCard IDE
Andre Garzia wrote: What is the control browser? Never seen it... In the MC IDE, choose Control Browser from the Tools menu. You will see a list of objects on the current card. You can quickly change the layering order from there, click a button to edit any object script, or double-click to open the object's property inspector. It's very fast. I remember trying/using the MC IDE way back before Rev and would like to have another look for those very reasons expressed. Is there a place that one can still download it for use with the current version of Rev? Best regards, David C. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev IDE vs MetaCard IDE
David, I think they have a Yahoo! group where you can download it but the address of the group is unknown to me right now. On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 7:15 PM, D.Coker davidoco...@gmail.com wrote: Andre Garzia wrote: What is the control browser? Never seen it... In the MC IDE, choose Control Browser from the Tools menu. You will see a list of objects on the current card. You can quickly change the layering order from there, click a button to edit any object script, or double-click to open the object's property inspector. It's very fast. I remember trying/using the MC IDE way back before Rev and would like to have another look for those very reasons expressed. Is there a place that one can still download it for use with the current version of Rev? Best regards, David C. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev IDE vs MetaCard IDE
D.Coker wrote: I remember trying/using the MC IDE way back before Rev and would like to have another look for those very reasons expressed. Is there a place that one can still download it for use with the current version of Rev? In RevOnline (in Rev's toolbar) search for the MetaCard Setup stack. This will download the latest MC IDE and set it up with your (licensed) Rev engine, ready to go. It's all one click. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev IDE vs MetaCard IDE
In RevOnline (in Rev's toolbar) search for the MetaCard Setup stack. This will download the latest MC IDE and set it up with your (licensed) Rev engine, ready to go. It's all one click. Cool beans... I'll give it a try. Thank you Jacque! ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev IDE vs MetaCard IDE
On 16/12/2009 00:20, D.Coker wrote: In RevOnline (in Rev's toolbar) search for the MetaCard Setup stack. This will download the latest MC IDE and set it up with your (licensed) Rev engine, ready to go. It's all one click. Cool beans... I'll give it a try. Thank you Jacque! ___ Wow! Thanks Jacque! Wish everything went that smoothly. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev IDE vs MetaCard IDE
In RevOnline (in Rev's toolbar) search for the MetaCard Setup stack. This will download the latest MC IDE and set it up with your (licensed) Rev engine, ready to go. It's all one click. Again I'll say thanks! It works like a charm and everything is just as I remember it. About all I can see that is missing is the demo stack with the cute 'lil pink elephant. ;-) It will be perfect for a whole lot of the simple stuff I do for myself. Best regards, David C. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev IDE vs MetaCard IDE
D.Coker wrote: In RevOnline (in Rev's toolbar) search for the MetaCard Setup stack. This will download the latest MC IDE and set it up with your (licensed) Rev engine, ready to go. It's all one click. Again I'll say thanks! It works like a charm and everything is just as I remember it. About all I can see that is missing is the demo stack with the cute 'lil pink elephant. ;-) Have a few drinks, it'll all come back. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Rev IDE vs MetaCard IDE
stephen barncard wrote: It's also prettier than the MC IDE. Jacqueline Landman Gay Anything is prettier than the MC IDE. The bottom of my parrot cage is prettier than the MC IDE. ;) I use MC. After 10 years I'm kinda used to it. Pretty? I have been known to decorate the IDE with images of bikini-clad models, Bentleys, fine wine and Belgian chocolates. The first keeps me young, the Bentley is an outstanding ambition, the wine is an old friend, and the chocolates remind me of a weekend once long, long ago with a rather nice young lady who... [censored by wife]. So what would YOU choose and WHY? /H ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev IDE vs MetaCard IDE
Hugh Senior wrote: stephen barncard wrote: It's also prettier than the MC IDE. Jacqueline Landman Gay Anything is prettier than the MC IDE. The bottom of my parrot cage is prettier than the MC IDE. ;) I use MC. After 10 years I'm kinda used to it. Pretty? I have been known to decorate the IDE with images of bikini-clad models, Bentleys, fine wine and Belgian chocolates. The first keeps me young, the Bentley is an outstanding ambition, the wine is an old friend, and the chocolates remind me of a weekend once long, long ago with a rather nice young lady who... [censored by wife]. So what would YOU choose and WHY? LOL! I think I'd put the top part of my parrot cage on it, the part with the birds. :) To be honest though, MC's utility outweighs its appearance which I've learned to ignore. I keep telling myself that one of these days I'll just set the default text size and font to match Rev's so that I don't have to ignore the button text spacing any more -- but I never get around to it. I'm too used to how it looks. At least you aren't putting any cheese on there...oops. Now I'll get censored. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev IDE vs MetaCard IDE
On 14 Dec 2009, at 01:55, J. Landman Gay wrote: Anything is prettier than the MC IDE. It used to be that way. At one time, it was a purist's dream. The rot set in about 1999 when the image icon was upgraded from something that looked like a wire pan scourer to something else. That blatant pandering to creative types was the thin end of the wedge. Within three years, even the splash screen was upgraded. I blame the parents. Dave___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev IDE vs MetaCard IDE
Dave Cragg wrote: On 14 Dec 2009, at 01:55, J. Landman Gay wrote: Anything is prettier than the MC IDE. It used to be that way. At one time, it was a purist's dream. The rot set in about 1999 when the image icon was upgraded from something that looked like a wire pan scourer to something else. That blatant pandering to creative types was the thin end of the wedge. Within three years, even the splash screen was upgraded. I blame the parents. Blame Scott Rossi, he did it. Them artist types, you just can't please 'em. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev IDE vs MetaCard IDE
Recently, Jacque Landman Gay wrote: That blatant pandering to creative types was the thin end of the wedge. Within three years, even the splash screen was upgraded. I blame the parents. Blame Scott Rossi, he did it. Them artist types, you just can't please 'em. Keep it up, Landman Gay, and you'll find yourself facing the wrong end of an eraser. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia Design ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev IDE vs MetaCard IDE
Scott Rossi wrote: Recently, Jacque Landman Gay wrote: That blatant pandering to creative types was the thin end of the wedge. Within three years, even the splash screen was upgraded. I blame the parents. Blame Scott Rossi, he did it. Them artist types, you just can't please 'em. Keep it up, Landman Gay, and you'll find yourself facing the wrong end of an eraser. O ^| / I give! I give! -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev IDE vs MetaCard IDE
On 14 Dec 2009, at 01:55, J. Landman Gay wrote: Anything is prettier than the MC IDE. I remember that we used to refer to its interface as spartan when comparing to Rev IDE in its earlier days... Robert ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev IDE vs MetaCard IDE
I use it because it's a lot less cranky, it stays out of the way, and it doesn't clutter my screen. Plus I prefer the Control Browser. Much easier to see what's where. Shari -- Critters, humor, patriots and sports t-shirts http://www.villagetshirts.com WlND0WS and MAClNT0SH shareware http://www.gypsyware.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev IDE vs MetaCard IDE
I remember thinking (and probably even staying rather loudly) that its UI elements (icons) looked like they were done by a 5 year old on acid... Judy On Mon, 14 Dec 2009, Robert Brenstein wrote: On 14 Dec 2009, at 01:55, J. Landman Gay wrote: Anything is prettier than the MC IDE. I remember that we used to refer to its interface as spartan when comparing to Rev IDE in its earlier days... ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev IDE vs MetaCard IDE
make that, saying... g. Judy On Mon, 14 Dec 2009, Judy Perry wrote: I remember thinking (and probably even staying rather loudly) that its UI elements (icons) looked like they were done by a 5 year old on acid... Judy On Mon, 14 Dec 2009, Robert Brenstein wrote: On 14 Dec 2009, at 01:55, J. Landman Gay wrote: Anything is prettier than the MC IDE. I remember that we used to refer to its interface as spartan when comparing to Rev IDE in its earlier days... ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev IDE vs MetaCard IDE
On 2009-12-13, at 11:00 AM, use-revolution-requ...@lists.runrev.com wrote: Can someone give me a quick summary of why I might want to use the MetaCard IDE instead of RunRev's? It seems that a lot of users of this group use MC. Is it just what you were used to or is there some feature that Rev's doesn't? Just curious. len Partly, it is because it is what I am familiar with, no doubt. But, I am not a fanatic about it: I encourage all my students to begin with RunRev using the RunRev IDE, and I use it on those occasions where I need to develop a complicated (read prettified) interface. However, those who go on to become the more proficient programmers seem to drift to the MetaCard IDE as they gain experience. The main difference is that the MC IDE, for the most part, because it is so close to the engine, stays out of your way. So much so, that at least for my current and former students and me, we rarely compile standalones, preferring to run our stacks in the MC IDE itself. -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev IDE vs MetaCard IDE
Speaking of IDEs, Jerry's tRev is kind of a 'remote' IDE with his little agents running around. I found out about another 'feature' that was there from the beginning. When your stack or Rev crashes, tRev stays running and doesn't freak out. It just sits there, with your current scripts. So you can cut the text of the script you were working on into a text editor for a moment, quit tRev, and re-launch both. No it won't connect the new script you didn't save but it's easy to paste/replace. The point is - stability and isolation is something really important in a programming situation. It's also prettier than the MC IDE. - Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev 2009/12/13 Vokey, John vo...@uleth.ca On 2009-12-13, at 11:00 AM, use-revolution-requ...@lists.runrev.com wrote: Can someone give me a quick summary of why I might want to use the MetaCard IDE instead of RunRev's? It seems that a lot of users of this group use MC. Is it just what you were used to or is there some feature that Rev's doesn't? Just curious. len Partly, it is because it is what I am familiar with, no doubt. But, I am not a fanatic about it: I encourage all my students to begin with RunRev using the RunRev IDE, and I use it on those occasions where I need to develop a complicated (read prettified) interface. However, those who go on to become the more proficient programmers seem to drift to the MetaCard IDE as they gain experience. The main difference is that the MC IDE, for the most part, because it is so close to the engine, stays out of your way. So much so, that at least for my current and former students and me, we rarely compile standalones, preferring to run our stacks in the MC IDE itself. -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev IDE vs MetaCard IDE
stephen barncard wrote: It's also prettier than the MC IDE. Anything is prettier than the MC IDE. The bottom of my parrot cage is prettier than the MC IDE. ;) -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev IDE vs MetaCard IDE
Len Morgan wrote: Can someone give me a quick summary of why I might want to use the MetaCard IDE instead of RunRev's? It seems that a lot of users of this group use MC. Is it just what you were used to or is there some feature that Rev's doesn't? Just curious. I think a lot of users may be stretching it. :) There are a few of us. I alternate between the IDEs depending on what I want to do, though I spend most of my time in Rev. It isn't that MC has features that Rev is missing, it's the opposite. I use it for what it doesn't do. MC is a stripped-down, bare-bones IDE with a minimal UI. You have to know the engine to know what's available. Lots of what you do will be from the command line unless you make your own tools for it. It's easy to see that the original was built by a 'nix guy. In MC you are dealing almost directly with the engine itself. That can be a plus when you don't want an IDE in the way. (There is no suspend development tools in MC because you're so close to the engine already that it isn't really necessary.) I use MC exclusively for some of my utility stacks, because it doesn't track the saved state the way Rev does. Putting text into a field doesn't make the stack dirty. I can grab data from a server, read it, and close the stack without seeing the do you want to save? dialog. I like that, though of course Rev can't do the same. Rev protects you more. Maybe MC appeals to the same kind of person who likes to drive a car with a stick shift. Close to the road, lots of power, no frills, full control. No seat belts either. ;) -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
