Re: SHIFTy thoughts
On 10/11/10 1:56 PM, Richmond wrote: Thank you all for your suggestions, although they all seem rather abstruse for simply toggling the visibility of an image. At present I am toggling with F-12 (which puts some people's noses out of joint, hence proposal to use SHIFT): By default, OS X usurps the F12 key for its own uses (Dashboard display.) I agree that you should choose a key that actually sends a keydown on all operating systems. Space is good if users aren't typing. Or you could use F12 coupled with the Option/Alt key. OS X doesn't use that. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: SHIFTy thoughts
On Oct 11, 2010, at 2:56 PM, Richmond wrote: > as you can see; fairly pedestrian stuff, which is why I get all > moist and sweaty when I think about the Shift key. Could you use the space bar? If you can't because people are entering words in a field, then shift would be a problem too for anyone typing capitals. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: SHIFTy thoughts
Thank you all for your suggestions, although they all seem rather abstruse for simply toggling the visibility of an image. At present I am toggling with F-12 (which puts some people's noses out of joint, hence proposal to use SHIFT): on rawKeyDown ---socking great, mind-bogglingly tedious switch stuff going on here case 65481 if the vis of img "XYZ" is true then set the vis of img "XYZ" to false else set the vis of img "XYZ" to true end if break ---more gobbledegook end rawKeyDown as you can see; fairly pedestrian stuff, which is why I get all moist and sweaty when I think about the Shift key. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: SHIFTy thoughts
Recently, Colin Holgate wrote: >> Sorry, I'm not following -- the shift state is constantly polled/stored, so >> why does the script need to care about the state at all? >> > He wants to have an action happen when the user presses the shift key. Your > variable knows whether the shift is down, but his routine would have no idea > that it has just been pressed. Ah, I missed the need to act on the press. You did indeed account for that. >> Maybe your script is the same idea as mine :-) > > It is, but I sent mine earlier than you, just to disguise the fact that I > copied you, while the idea was still in your head. Being that you're on the East coast, you will will always be earlier than me. Or is that later? H. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: SHIFTy thoughts
On Oct 11, 2010, at 2:03 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: > Sorry, I'm not following -- the shift state is constantly polled/stored, so > why does the script need to care about the state at all? > He wants to have an action happen when the user presses the shift key. Your variable knows whether the shift is down, but his routine would have no idea that it has just been pressed. > Maybe your script is the same idea as mine :-) It is, but I sent mine earlier than you, just to disguise the fact that I copied you, while the idea was still in your head. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: SHIFTy thoughts
Recently, Colin Holgate wrote: >> Or maybe this: > > > Your two approaches are basically the same idea as mine, only in yours there > is still no way for the rest of the script to know that the shift was pressed. > You might also need an idle check, or another send, to then inspect the state > of shiftKeyPressed, and to then do something. My email included all of that > too. Sorry, I'm not following -- the shift state is constantly polled/stored, so why does the script need to care about the state at all? Maybe your script is the same idea as mine :-) Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: SHIFTy thoughts
On Oct 11, 2010, at 1:43 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: > Or maybe this: Your two approaches are basically the same idea as mine, only in yours there is still no way for the rest of the script to know that the shift was pressed. You might also need an idle check, or another send, to then inspect the state of shiftKeyPressed, and to then do something. My email included all of that too. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: SHIFTy thoughts
Or maybe this: on openCard if "trackKeys" is not in pendingMessages() then trackKeys end openCard on trackKeys set the shiftKeyPressed of me to (shiftKey() = down) send "trackKeys" to me in 50 millisecs end trackKeys Recently, I wrote: > Here's one way to do what you ask: > > [in the card script] > > on openCard >if "trackKeys" is not in pendingMessages() then trackKeys > end openCard > > on trackKeys >set the shiftKeyPressed of me to (65505 is among the lines of keysDown()) >send "trackKeys" to me in 50 millisecs > end trackKeys > > This script sets a custom property (shiftKeyPressed) of the card that you > can check. You could save the state in a global variable if that's more > convenient. You also might want to limit key tracking to occur only during > certain events/states of your app so you're not needlessly polling key > states. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: SHIFTy thoughts
Here's one way to do what you ask: [in the card script] on openCard if "trackKeys" is not in pendingMessages() then trackKeys end openCard on trackKeys set the shiftKeyPressed of me to (65505 is among the lines of keysDown()) send "trackKeys" to me in 50 millisecs end trackKeys This script sets a custom property (shiftKeyPressed) of the card that you can check. You could save the state in a global variable if that's more convenient. You also might want to limit key tracking to occur only during certain events/states of your app so you're not needlessly polling key states. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design Recently, Richmond wrote: > On 10/11/2010 02:06 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: >> This might give you an idea: >> >> on checkkeys >> send checkkeys to me in 100 milliseconds >> put shiftkey() >> end checkkeys >> >> >> >> _ > > This: > > on rawKeyDown > if shiftkey() is down then >put "DOWN" into fld "fSHIFT" > end if > end rawKeyDown > > on rawKeyUp > if shiftkey() is up then >put "UP" into fld "fSHIFT" >end if > end rawKeyUp > > in the card script > > works on Linux, but NOT on Mac because pressing the SHIFT key > does not send a rawKeyDown on a Mac . . . > > One can trap for rawKeyDown for a "normal" key and then if that key is down > do something like this: > > if the shiftKey is down then >do blah, blah, blah > end if > > what I cannot work out how to do is find out if the SHIFT key is down > without > having to plonk my fat fingers on some other key as well. > ___ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: SHIFTy thoughts
This part: if the shiftkey and not shiftisdown then UserReleasedShiftKey end if should have been: if not the shiftkey and shiftisdown then UserReleasedShiftKey end if ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: SHIFTy thoughts
On Oct 11, 2010, at 12:49 PM, Richmond wrote: > what I cannot work out how to do is find out if the SHIFT key is down without > having to plonk my fat fingers on some other key as well. You said this just now, with my solution that works still copied in the top of your message. Take another look: > on checkkeys >send checkkeys to me in 100 milliseconds >put shiftkey() > end checkkeys You would call checkkeys at the start of your card that you want to be seeing shift being pressed, and from then on it would look after itself. Like this maybe: global shiftisdown on opencard put the shiftkey is down into shiftisdown checkkeys end opencard on checkkeys if the shiftkey and not shiftisdown then UserPressedShiftKey else if the shiftkey and not shiftisdown then UserReleasedShiftKey end if end if send checkkeys to me in 100 milliseconds end on UserPressedShiftKey put true into shiftisdown --do whatever you want to be done when the shift is pressed end UserPressedShiftKey on UserReleasedShiftKey put false into shiftisdown --do whatever you want to be done when the shift is released end UserReleasedShiftKey The above script would require that the user held the shift down for at least a tenth of a second for it to be seen. If you need quicker reaction than that, set the send delay to a shorter value. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: SHIFTy thoughts
On 10/11/2010 02:06 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: This might give you an idea: on checkkeys send checkkeys to me in 100 milliseconds put shiftkey() end checkkeys _ This: on rawKeyDown if shiftkey() is down then put "DOWN" into fld "fSHIFT" end if end rawKeyDown on rawKeyUp if shiftkey() is up then put "UP" into fld "fSHIFT" end if end rawKeyUp in the card script works on Linux, but NOT on Mac because pressing the SHIFT key does not send a rawKeyDown on a Mac . . . One can trap for rawKeyDown for a "normal" key and then if that key is down do something like this: if the shiftKey is down then do blah, blah, blah end if what I cannot work out how to do is find out if the SHIFT key is down without having to plonk my fat fingers on some other key as well. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: SHIFTy thoughts
On 10/11/10 6:27 AM, Len Morgan wrote: I think what Richmond was after was a message that get's sent when he presses the shift key, not detecting when it's down. The only way that comes to mind would be a front script that captured the keydown/keyup or rawkeys messages, check for the shift key state then fired a message to a handler of your choosing. On OS X, at least, no key messages are sent by the OS when the shift key is depressed. The OS does allow you to check its state if you specifically ask, which is why the function works, but you aren't notified automatically by the OS each time it goes down. That's why LiveCode can't send any system messages about it. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: SHIFTy thoughts
On 10/11/2010 6:16 AM, roger.e.el...@sealedair.com wrote: Richmond wroe: I would love to be able to trap when a modifier key is down like this: on shiftKeyDown do blah, blah, blah end shiftKeyDown but it seems that that is not possible in LievCode, unless, of course, I'm missing something . . . Richmond. I can only determine its state within an if-then statement. Perhaps try a rawKey handler. on mouseUp if the shiftKey is down then answer "DOWN, the shiftKey is." else answer "UP, the shiftKey is." end if end mouseUp ~Roger I think what Richmond was after was a message that get's sent when he presses the shift key, not detecting when it's down. The only way that comes to mind would be a front script that captured the keydown/keyup or rawkeys messages, check for the shift key state then fired a message to a handler of your choosing. You'd have to pass on the original event in either case and make sure you didn't set up some sort of infinite loop though. len ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: SHIFTy thoughts
Richmond wroe: > I would love to be able to trap when a modifier key is down like this: > > on shiftKeyDown > do blah, blah, blah > end shiftKeyDown > > but it seems that that is not possible in LievCode, unless, of course, > I'm missing something . . . > > Richmond. I can only determine its state within an if-then statement. Perhaps try a rawKey handler. on mouseUp if the shiftKey is down then answer "DOWN, the shiftKey is." else answer "UP, the shiftKey is." end if end mouseUp ~Roger ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: SHIFTy thoughts
This might give you an idea: on checkkeys send checkkeys to me in 100 milliseconds put shiftkey() end checkkeys ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
